FlyingJT - 2018-10-04 2:33 PM Why do you not believe in them?

1DSoon - 2018-10-04 1:42 PM


 because herd immunity. 

Duh


why subject little johnny to the needle when all the other little rug rats that did get the necassary vax will take care yours not getting sick. 

if you let everyone else do all the heavy lifting your life is so much easier. 

oh and Autism 

 

Gunner11 - 2018-10-05 10:25 AM


Also because essential oils and vitamins are all you need!

TrailGirl - 2018-10-05 8:22 AM

Bear...I am stealing your Quickbooks list for my FB. I have some folks that could benefit from that simple concise list. They get caught up in the "it's not natural" claims and fearmongering.

1DSoon - 2018-10-05 10:21 AM


see this person is educated and enlightened.


Thank you

cheryl makofka - 2018-10-06 9:58 PM

I seen your fence sitting on the HPV.

The one cool thing about the HPV is we started by only immunizing a specific gender.

The global surveillance den during this time showed something amazing.

Just by immunizing the women alone it reduced male mouth and penile cancer by either 30 or 40 percent (sorry don't have the article in front of me)

This is why we started immunizing the men.

One thing to remember is majority of vaccines are developed the same way, the only main difference is the virus.

Bear - 2018-10-06 11:15 PM HPV vaccinations in males might be a good idea but we have to keep in mind that we’re talking about a relatively rare cancer to begin with. The incidence is less than 1 in 100,000. About half of those cases are linked to HPV. A lack of circumcision is probably a bigger factor than HPV. You have to give an awful lot of HPV vaccines to prevent a case of penile cancer. I know the literature is showing a clear benefit, but I’m just not quite ready to sign on with this one....yet.

Bear - 2018-10-06 11:15 PM HPV vaccinations in males might be a good idea but we have to keep in mind that we’re talking about a relatively rare cancer to begin with. The incidence is less than 1 in 100,000. About half of those cases are linked to HPV. A lack of circumcision is probably a bigger factor than HPV. You have to give an awful lot of HPV vaccines to prevent a case of penile cancer. I know the literature is showing a clear benefit, but I’m just not quite ready to sign on with this one....yet.

Suerue2018 - 2018-10-08 10:35 AM This is a subject I'm very passionate about. I know several that are vaccine injured. Its not rare. We have the sickest generation of children. The best advice I was given from a nurse friend: watch vaxxed and the truth about vaccines. Both great documentaries. Read the vaccine inserts and learn about shedding of vaccines. My little one just turned one no ear infections, no colds, no cough, no runny nose, no gut issues. Running, talking and interacting. Amazingly healthy. Eats off the ground, around several kids, gets plenty of sunshine and still breastfeeding. I'm also Christian and not comfortable with aborted baby parts being in vaccines (also on the inserts) I dont think pharmaceuticals keep us healthy. Many won't agee and I'm ok with that. I just wanted to post from a different view.

3canstorun - 2018-10-08 10:09 AM

There is also an outbreak in Minnesota of a "polio" type virsus that has killed some kids. 

Too bad since polio was gone in the US. 

 

GLP - 2018-10-08 11:47 AM Were those kids vaccinated for polio? If it was polio like, but not polio, then the vaccine may not have helped.

Suerue2018 - 2018-10-08 9:35 AM This is a subject I'm very passionate about. I know several that are vaccine injured. Its not rare. We have the sickest generation of children. The best advice I was given from a nurse friend: watch vaxxed and the truth about vaccines. Both great documentaries. Read the vaccine inserts and learn about shedding of vaccines. My little one just turned one no ear infections, no colds, no cough, no runny nose, no gut issues. Running, talking and interacting. Amazingly healthy. Eats off the ground, around several kids, gets plenty of sunshine and still breastfeeding. I'm also Christian and not comfortable with aborted baby parts being in vaccines (also on the inserts) I dont think pharmaceuticals keep us healthy. Many won't agee and I'm ok with that. I just wanted to post from a different view.

3canstorun - 2018-10-08 10:09 AM

There is also an outbreak in Minnesota of a "polio" type virsus that has killed some kids. 

Too bad since polio was gone in the US. 

 

RoughstockKennel - 2018-10-08 10:41 AM

I was just at a funeral on Saturday for a 2 month old baby that died from unexplained causes three days after receiving more vaccines. He was very healthy until then. I already had strong opinions on vaccines before this. Please do your own research.

Suerue2018 - 2018-10-08 10:35 AM

This is a subject I'm very passionate about. I know several that are vaccine injured. Its not rare. We have the sickest generation of children. The best advice I was given from a nurse friend: watch vaxxed and the truth about vaccines. Both great documentaries. Read the vaccine inserts and learn about shedding of vaccines. My little one just turned one no ear infections, no colds, no cough, no runny nose, no gut issues. Running, talking and interacting. Amazingly healthy. Eats off the ground, around several kids, gets plenty of sunshine and still breastfeeding. I'm also Christian and not comfortable with aborted baby parts being in vaccines (also on the inserts) I dont think pharmaceuticals keep us healthy. Many won't agee and I'm ok with that. I just wanted to post from a different view.

inittowinit - 2018-10-08 2:10 PM Again do your research... aborted baby parts?? Yes in the 1960s they did culture some vaccines in electively aborted fetal cells. That was over 50 years ago! Today they use human cell lines from FDA approved human cell banks to culture the virus. There is no aborted fetal tissue in the vaccines. While I will agree that most children do have weekend immune systems now a days. I don't believe its from vaccines. I think its a combination of children being sedentary and inside playing on electronics and such instead of being outside and being exposed to dirt and playing actively. Also the traditional American diet of junk. Far too often children are being packed with processed foods and crazy amounts of sugar.

inittowinit - 2018-10-08 2:10 PM


Again do your research... aborted baby parts?? Yes in the 1960s they did culture some vaccines in electively aborted fetal cells. That was over 50 years ago! Today they use human cell lines from FDA approved human cell banks to culture the virus. There is no aborted fetal tissue in the vaccines. While I will agree that most children do have weekend immune systems now a days. I don't believe its from vaccines. I think its a combination of children being sedentary and inside playing on electronics and such instead of being outside and being exposed to dirt and playing actively. Also the traditional American diet of junk. Far too often children are being packed with processed foods and crazy amounts of sugar.

Gunner11 - 2018-10-08 3:24 PM


Ha, yep! "I'm not putting poison and chemicals in my baby's body!" while washing down a bag of Cheetos with a diet Coke after getting Botox and puffing on a cigarette

Gunner11 - 2018-10-08 3:56 PM

So I have to assume that anti-vaxxers don't get their pets vaccinated either? Or use flea medicine or dewormers?
What if they want to go on a mission trip to a foreign country and are required to get immunizations before going? I guess they just don't go? I'm legitimately curious.

Sooner2 - 2018-10-08 4:13 PM

I applaud you for questioning vaccines. This is a good reputable site to begin your research.
https://www.nvic.org/

3canstorun - 2018-10-08 10:09 AM There is also an outbreak in Minnesota of a "polio" type virsus that has killed some kids. 

Too bad since polio was gone in the US. 

 

Suerue2018 - 2018-10-08 4:12 PM Yes to wormer and no to vaccines. Don't find them necessary. As for us if we need to take a trip, we will up our vitamin C, vitamin D and probiotics intake. And take elderberry syrup. We just try to keep the gut healthy and we are rarely sick. When we are sick, it's over fairly quickly. I have a vaccine injured child, so I wouldn't label me as an "anti-vaxxer" but an exvaxxer. We did vaccinate. Had a health issue right after vaccines and before that she was perfectly healthy. This is when my research started. Most of "us" are exvaxxers.

RoughstockKennel - 2018-10-08 9:41 AM I was just at a funeral on Saturday for a 2 month old baby that died from unexplained causes three days after receiving more vaccines. He was very healthy until then. I already had strong opinions on vaccines before this. Please do your own research.

r_beau - 2018-10-09 9:16 AM


If the baby died from unexplained causes, how do you know it was due to the vaccines?

Heartbreaking, no matter the cause, for one so young. But I would stronly question if the vaccines had anything to do with it.

I will have to try to find the link, but I think there was a story about a year ago or so of a set of young twin babies dying  a couple days after their vaccines, and most of the public was blaming the vaccines for killing the twins. What most people skimmed over was that the mother had unintentionally overdosed them on Tylenol to help them with their fevers.  So it was not the vaccines at all.
 

r_beau - 2018-10-09 9:16 AM


If the baby died from unexplained causes, how do you know it was due to the vaccines?

Heartbreaking, no matter the cause, for one so young. But I would stronly question if the vaccines had anything to do with it.

I will have to try to find the link, but I think there was a story about a year ago or so of a set of young twin babies dying  a couple days after their vaccines, and most of the public was blaming the vaccines for killing the twins. What most people skimmed over was that the mother had unintentionally overdosed them on Tylenol to help them with their fevers.  So it was not the vaccines at all.
 

TXBarrelRacer84 - 2018-10-09 1:15 PM

I don't have kids yet, so I really don't have an opinion either way. I was vaccinated, I vaccinate my animals, and my niece and nephew have been vaccinated and been fine. However, I have a very good friend who has a child who has life threatening allergies (food and environmental) like has had an anaphylactic reaction and is on the autistic spectrum from vaccines. Yes, this has been proven to be the cause by her pro-vaccine doctor. He has a gene that doesn't let his body metabolize toxins like other people, so because he was pre-mature and because of this gene the vaccines sat in his system/brain and caused all of these horrible things. His younger brother, who has two copies, of the gene has not been vaccinated and doesn't have the issues her other child does. While I feel like her case is unique, she did what she thought was right and now her son will have life long consequences from it. When people say "do your research", I wish there was unbiased, true facts, but both sides pro and anti vax people have such bias reports that it's crazy. I think that needed vaccines are a good thing, but the problem is how many are given at once plus if there's an underlying condition such as my friend's child it could cause lots of problems.

Bear - 2018-10-09 1:20 PM How was it “proven”?

Bear - 2018-10-09 3:20 PM Got it....yes. Thanks. I wasn’t quite following you. That’s a very rare condition.

Bear - 2018-10-09 2:20 PM Got it....yes. Thanks. I wasn’t quite following you. That’s a very rare condition.

luckyjo - 2018-10-09 5:15 PM

Not going to argue for either side, but isn't there still still a clause that can excuse not vaccinating for school based on religion? Seems like I remember that from the past.

Bear - 2018-10-08 3:41 PM

Vaccines do not cause SIDS. If anything, they have a protective effect.

Bear - 2018-10-08 3:14 PM

“My baby has never been vaccinated, eats dirt, and has been around lots of sick kids, yet he never gets colds, never gets ear infections, and never has had any vomiting or diarrhea.”

That useless anecdote is a hybrid example of one of the most common tools used by an anti vaxxer. First of all, there isn’t a vaccine against colds or otitis media. Secondly, most childhood illnesses that cause vomiting and diarrhea are not prevented by vaccines. Personal anecdotes are the primary ammunition used by those who deny science. Anecdotes are used more by antivaxxers than any other fringe cult. Anecdotes are worthless and if your argument is based on anecdote, it should be rejected. Yes, they are OK for use in casual conversation. A typical logical fallacy used by those intellectually vulnerable to cults like the antivaxxers goes something like this:
- X happened before Y
- Therefore X caused Y
The antivaxxers use it this way: “I vaccinated little Johnny, then little Johnny developed Autism, therefore vaccines cause Autism.”
Now, the right way to look at it would be this way: “I vaccinated little Johnny and he later developed Autism.....I wonder if his Autism is related to the vaccines?” There’s nothing wrong with that. In fact that kind of questioning leads to innovation and advances in medicine.
That’s where Andrew Wakefield’s sinister plot came into the picture and unleashed this tragic mess called the antivaxxer movement.
He published an article in the highly regarded British medical journal, Lancet, in which he tried to prove that the MMR vaccine was linked to Autism and Crohns Disease. At first, it was considered a landmark new development, but the truth is that his research was fraudulent and debunked many times over. He lost his license and the article was retracted. If you read about this ghoulish quack you will realize that only the Nazi surgeon, Joseph Mengele, used more diabolical methods, including the use of children with mental retardation to subject them needlessly to colonoscopies and lumbar punctures.
Nonetheless, he was eventually railroaded out of medicine and forced to leave England. Austin Texas can now proudly proclaim to be Wakefield’s home. The guy made tens of millions from his deadly cult and fraudulent research.

Oh....and the movie “Vaxxed”? Guess who directed it?
Andrew Wakefield, of course.

r_beau - 2018-10-09 9:12 AM

Curious SueRue. What type of animals do you have? Cats? Dogs?

So you do not give them a RABIES vaccination?
 

Southtxponygirl - 2018-10-09 10:15 AM

For the parents that dont have their children vacciated, how do you enroll your children in school, I know here in Texas you have to have proof of vaccinations so you're child can be enrolled in school. No vaccinations no enrollment into school.. Or is there a way around this rule? Both my boys had their vaccinations all threw child hood and never had a problem and both are healthy and have a family of their own. I never question their doctors I wanted my boys safe from any childhood disease, I would have not been able to live with myself if I did not follow doctors advice and one got a life ending disease because I thought I was smarter then their doctors. This is scary knowing that some parents wont vacciate their child.

Suerue2018 - 2018-10-09 10:22 PM Unvaccinated kids go to public schools with exemptions all the time. The number of vaccines over the years has changed. in 1962, 5 doses recommended. In 1983, 24 doses recommended. And in 2018 there is 72 total doses on the recommended schedule. and the number is just going up. Our children now are facing more issues with things like asthma, childhood diabetes, food allergies, childhood leukemia, developmental delays, tics, ADHD, autism, lupus, arthritis, eczema, epilepsy, brain damage, etc.. Pediatricians get bonuses for having their kids vaccinated. Also not much is taught in medical school about vaccines at all. My previous pedi mentioned he does not know everything to know about vaccines. Its all about money for big pHARMa. The sicker we are the more we come to the doctor and the more money they make.

Suerue2018 - 2018-10-09 9:02 PM


Actually ear infections (otitis media you are talking of) are listed on the inserts. Decline in disease happened when clean water, sanitation and nutrition came about. THEN vaccines came about. Have you ever watched The truth about vaccines? Several doctors speak out and not just Wakefield.

Bear - 2018-10-09 10:26 PM


Of course Wakefield isn’t the only charlatan. He’s just the one most infamously linked to deaths due to his fraudulent work. He made millions as a result of his cult movement. Many charlatan practitioners have followed him. Every vocation has members who fall outside the bell curve. He’s a quack and lost his license in Great Britain for his fraudulent research.
No, I haven’t watched the “Truth About Vaccines” for the same reason I haven’t read Mein Kampf.

Seriously, you really have to be incredibly delusional if you ascribe the decline in measles, mumps, whooping cough, and countless other diseases to soap and water and improved nutrition.
Before smallpox was eradicated with a vaccine, it killed an estimated 500 million people.
60 years ago, polio paralyzed 16,000 Americans every year, while rubella caused birth defects and mental retardation in as many as 20,000 newborns.
Measles infected 4 million children, killing 3,000 annually.
Years ago, the bacterium Haemophilus influenzae type b caused Hib meningitis in more than 15,000 children, leaving many with permanent brain damage.
Infant mortality and shortened life spans — now regarded as a third world problem — were a first world reality.

1DSoon - 2018-10-09 10:09 PM


you're an idiot


 

Suerue2018 - 2018-10-09 11:03 PM


What about the billions payed out for vaccine injury so far and reported to VAERS? All most people seem to know about Wakefield is what the media says which is lies unfortunately.

Bear - 2018-10-09 11:39 PM


Have you ever downloaded an actual VAERS file?

Here is all you need to know about VAERS and compensation, but I will give you the Fischer-Price version:

-First, if you fart sideways after a vaccine, it is recorded as an adverse event. If you get pain or swelling after a vaccine, it is not verified. It’s simply recorded as an adverse event.

-Second, for every 1 million doses of vaccine, one person was compensated.

-Third, as is often the case in litigation, out of court settlement (“compensation”) does not necessarily imply guilt or wrongdoing.
It is simply decided, in a minority of reported adverse events, that it is easier and more prudent to arrive at a settlement. In fact, that was a main reason why this fund was established.

Now, as to Wakefield, it has been established beyond any reasonable doubt that he used fraudulent data. Just because you say it’s all lies doesn’t make it so. In fact, he even admitted it. Are you saying he lied about that?

Suerue2018 - 2018-10-10 11:06 AM I don't benefit anything from sharing truth. My children are well and healthy, I share to help other parents. The truth is there for those that want it. Others will remain sheep. Here's facts below for those wanting to expand their research. The following are NOT opinions, but actual verifiable facts. Research any of it if you have doubts or just want to expand your knowledge. 1) Combined doses of Vaccines have NEVER been tested for safety. The vaccines given to babies have never been tested on babies, or even children. 2) Vaccine manufacturers have been granted legal immunity from being sued when their products inflict damage. 3) DNA from aborted fetuses are used in several vaccines used today. 4) the CDC has been caught destroying and hiding evidence on more than one occasion because it would negatively impact the consumers stance on vaccinations. 5) outbreaks occur in populations that are up to 90-99% vaccinated, AND most, if not all of those diagnosed with the disease have already been vaccinated against it. (If herd immunity is real, how is this even possible?) 6) more people die from the MMR vaccine itself than die of the measles. If you're weighing risks here, it's riskier to get the vaccine than not to. This is also the case with other vaccines, such as the flu shot and the HPV vaccine. The risks outweigh the benefits. 7) Peanut allergies were almost unheard of prior to the use of peanut oil in vaccines. Since the introduction of vaccines containing peanut oil, the number of people being diagnosed with a peanut allergy has risen exponentially. In addition, vaccinated children have much higher rates of allergies (of any kind) than those who are not. ?? multiple independent studies have shown that 11% of vaccinated children are diagnosed with asthma as compared to only 1% in unvaccinated children. 9) full vaccine package inserts are 10's of pages long, not just the 1-2 page you are given at the doctors office. 10) listed in vaccine package inserts as possible reactions or side effects are allergies, asthma, autism, swelling of the brain, and even SIDS. Right on the package! Not only are these possible side effects, but it's proof that vaccines can cause all of these conditions and more. They wouldn't be listed if they weren't connected. 11) many doctors receive incentives or bonuses when a certain percentage of their patients are vaccinated, begging the questions "if vaccines work so well, why do they have to push them so hard," and "if my doctor is essentially getting paid to give me shots, how do I know his intentions aren't just self serving?" 12) the CDC and vaccine manufacturers conduct many of their own studies of their products and conduct their own investigations of themselves, which is like saying "I have investigated and studied myself, and come to the conclusion that I am not guilty of any wrong doing." 13) an overwhelming majority of doctors have never even bothered to read the full vaccine package inserts they receive from the vaccine manufacturers that lists all the ingredients and possible side effects 14) Prior to the introduction of vaccines, SIDS was so rare that it wasn't even mentioned in infant mortality statistics. (Meaning less than 1% of infant deaths were due to an unknown cause) Only after most infants in the US received several doses of DPT (diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus), polio, and measles vaccines, there was an alarming epidemic of unexplained infant death. SIDS is the number one cause of death in infants in the US ages 28 days to 1 year. Most cases of SIDS occurs within two weeks of vaccination, usually within just days or even hours. The USA has both the highest rate of infant mortality of any other industrialized country, and also the most vaccines given to children. 15) diseases have been renamed after the introduction of a vaccine. What would have once been diagnosed as polio is now being diagnosed as many different diseases, all having the same symptoms once attributed to sufferers of polio. Only difference, it was only called polio prior to the introduction of the vaccine, and now is diagnosed as such diseases as viral or “aseptic” meningitis, Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), spinal meningitis, inhibitory palsy, intermittent fever, post-polio syndrome, and acute flaccid paralysis(AFP), just to name a few. 16) the anti-vaccine movement isn't new, and wasn't born from Jenny McCarthy. It began soon after vaccines were introduced and outbreaks in recently vaccinated populations raised questions as to the safety and effectiveness of vaccines. 17) live virus vaccines shed the virus for up to 6 weeks after vaccination, thus have the potential to infect and spread disease to others even if the person vaccinated displays no symptoms. In fact, it's recommended that recently vaccinated individuals of live vaccines avoid public places, newborns, and anyone with a compromised immune system, yet we allow them in schools, but discriminate against the healthy, unvaccinated kids who aren't even carrying these diseases. 18) giving Tylenol right before or after a vaccination increases the risk of adverse reactions. Many children experience fever, redness, and generally may not feel well for a day or two following vaccines, and yet parents give them medicine to make them more comfortable, unknowingly increasing the risk of damaging their child's health. Please research as much as you can, your child's life could depend on it, especially if they have a MTHFR Gene mutation. by: Cathy Hall

TyE - 2018-10-10 11:07 AM

Bear,
Have you read the entire vaccine insert for every vaccine given in todays age?
Just answer her question on that one please.  I really want to hear your opinion on that and what the insert says.   I am on the fence about vaccines...... so truly interested. 

thank you.  

Bear - 2018-10-09 4:48 PM I’m guessing it has to do with the “MTHFR gene”. Can you ask your friend?

1DSoon - 2018-10-10 11:02 AM


 Hey Capn C&P

https://www.facebook.com/groups/arnica/permalink/10157081367706789/


word for word what you just posted. Not was anyone would consider a credible source. 


 

TXBarrelRacer84 - 2018-10-10 11:33 AM


Yes she said that's what it is. 

Bear - 2018-10-10 11:33 AM


Dang 1DSoon! You busted her, but everyone knows this is what they do. They C&P and don’t have a clue.....but that’s what they mean when they say, “do your research”. This is her “research”.....Facebook.

Next will come a barrage from junk science sites like “Natural News”.
Mark my word.

Bear - 2018-10-10 11:29 AM That’s a very reasonable question, and here’s my answer: No. Nobody reads package inserts of every vaccine and medication as a matter of routine. That’s just a fact. 

Suerue2018 - 2018-10-10 11:06 AM

I don't benefit anything from sharing truth. My children are well and healthy, I share to help other parents. The truth is there for those that want it. Others will remain sheep. Here's facts below for those wanting to expand their research.

The following are NOT opinions, but actual verifiable facts. Research any of it if you have doubts or just want to expand your knowledge.

1) Combined doses of Vaccines have NEVER been tested for safety. The vaccines given to babies have never been tested on babies, or even children.

2) Vaccine manufacturers have been granted legal immunity from being sued when their products inflict damage.

3) DNA from aborted fetuses are used in several vaccines used today.

4) the CDC has been caught destroying and hiding evidence on more than one occasion because it would negatively impact the consumers stance on vaccinations.

5) outbreaks occur in populations that are up to 90-99% vaccinated, AND most, if not all of those diagnosed with the disease have already been vaccinated against it. (If herd immunity is real, how is this even possible?)

6) more people die from the MMR vaccine itself than die of the measles. If you're weighing risks here, it's riskier to get the vaccine than not to. This is also the case with other vaccines, such as the flu shot and the HPV vaccine. The risks outweigh the benefits.

7) Peanut allergies were almost unheard of prior to the use of peanut oil in vaccines. Since the introduction of vaccines containing peanut oil, the number of people being diagnosed with a peanut allergy has risen exponentially. In addition, vaccinated children have much higher rates of allergies (of any kind) than those who are not.

?? multiple independent studies have shown that 11% of vaccinated children are diagnosed with asthma as compared to only 1% in unvaccinated children.

9) full vaccine package inserts are 10's of pages long, not just the 1-2 page you are given at the doctors office.

10) listed in vaccine package inserts as possible reactions or side effects are allergies, asthma, autism, swelling of the brain, and even SIDS. Right on the package! Not only are these possible side effects, but it's proof that vaccines can cause all of these conditions and more. They wouldn't be listed if they weren't connected.

11) many doctors receive incentives or bonuses when a certain percentage of their patients are vaccinated, begging the questions "if vaccines work so well, why do they have to push them so hard," and "if my doctor is essentially getting paid to give me shots, how do I know his intentions aren't just self serving?"

12) the CDC and vaccine manufacturers conduct many of their own studies of their products and conduct their own investigations of themselves, which is like saying "I have investigated and studied myself, and come to the conclusion that I am not guilty of any wrong doing."

13) an overwhelming majority of doctors have never even bothered to read the full vaccine package inserts they receive from the vaccine manufacturers that lists all the ingredients and possible side effects

14) Prior to the introduction of vaccines, SIDS was so rare that it wasn't even mentioned in infant mortality statistics. (Meaning less than 1% of infant deaths were due to an unknown cause) Only after most infants in the US received several doses of DPT (diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus), polio, and measles vaccines, there was an alarming epidemic of unexplained infant death. SIDS is the number one cause of death in infants in the US ages 28 days to 1 year. Most cases of SIDS occurs within two weeks of vaccination, usually within just days or even hours. The USA has both the highest rate of infant mortality of any other industrialized country, and also the most vaccines given to children.

15) diseases have been renamed after the introduction of a vaccine. What would have once been diagnosed as polio is now being diagnosed as many different diseases, all having the same symptoms once attributed to sufferers of polio. Only difference, it was only called polio prior to the introduction of the vaccine, and now is diagnosed as such diseases as viral or “aseptic” meningitis, Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), spinal meningitis, inhibitory palsy, intermittent fever, post-polio syndrome, and acute flaccid paralysis(AFP), just to name a few.

16) the anti-vaccine movement isn't new, and wasn't born from Jenny McCarthy. It began soon after vaccines were introduced and outbreaks in recently vaccinated populations raised questions as to the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

17) live virus vaccines shed the virus for up to 6 weeks after vaccination, thus have the potential to infect and spread disease to others even if the person vaccinated displays no symptoms. In fact, it's recommended that recently vaccinated individuals of live vaccines avoid public places, newborns, and anyone with a compromised immune system, yet we allow them in schools, but discriminate against the healthy, unvaccinated kids who aren't even carrying these diseases.

18) giving Tylenol right before or after a vaccination increases the risk of adverse reactions. Many children experience fever, redness, and generally may not feel well for a day or two following vaccines, and yet parents give them medicine to make them more comfortable, unknowingly increasing the risk of damaging their child's health.

Please research as much as you can, your child's life could depend on it, especially if they have a MTHFR Gene mutation.

by: Cathy Hall

inittowinit - 2018-10-10 12:13 PM So here is an interesting page that actually has all 18 of these "facts" listed and actually proves that all of them are false claims. It also sites all sources proving them to be false as well in each discussion. Actually pretty interesting read. Helped better prepare me for my future patient's parents that have similar questions or statements. http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2018/05/18-assertions-...


Have you read the vaccine inserts?   Why would the Pharmaceutical companies put these extensive inserts in the vaccine information if no one with letters behind their name is ever going to read them or the information was not pertinent?  I have never read one myself, but I would like to now. 

Edited by TyE 2018-10-10 12:25 PM

TyE - 2018-10-10 12:07 PM

 I appreciate your honesty, but it is quite frightening as well. I really wanted to hear what you had to say about the inserts.  I would "assume" that a Dr.  would be well versed on   the inserts of any medication and be able to explain those inserts in the most fisher price way to us lay folk.  I took a round of steroids on time for back issues, after that round I noticed that I could not swallow as well and started having what I thought was a heart attack!  After thousands of dollars out of pocket in the ER and Dr. office I was FINALLY diagonosed with Esophageal Spasms.  I later went back and read that extensive insert from the pharmacy and guess what, shrinking of the esophagus and spasm was a side effect of the steroid....who new! 

 I am "assuming" your question is a rhetorical one.  I VERY rarely take any type of medication. I try to avoid them especially after all the money I spent on the above mentioned episode and having to have my esophagus stretched. 

Thank you again for your honesty!

TyE - 2018-10-10 1:24 PM


Actually yes I have. As a pediatric nurse I've read just about everyone that I have given. Reason being, because I am tired of being asked if I have read them by skeptical parents. Vaccine package inserts are important documents, but only if the information in them is properly understood and not picked apart to see only what you want to see.

inittowinit - 2018-10-10 12:40 PM Thank you for the answer!  Was there anything in them that caused you concern?
I have granddaughters that are on their vaccine schedule, so therfore I am trying to educate myself on the subject.  I have talked with MD's that are against vaccine's but not any MD's yet that are pro vaccine that have responded to the question of simply reading the vaccine insert and telling me their thoughts. 

Edited by TyE 2018-10-10 1:08 PM

Bear - 2018-10-10 12:34 PM Trust me, I will thoroughly address your question about the inserts. I did answer your question and I’m willing to expound on that further, but you didn’t answer my question, so I’ll ask you again. I posted a real list of possible adverse events related to a medication, and I asked if YOU would take this medication, or willingly give it to your 14 year old son or husband. Would you?

TyE - 2018-10-10 1:49 PM


No I have not found anything to cause concern. I have vaccinated thousands of children in my 15 years, some from there first set of vaccines up until now at 15 years. I have yet to come across any of them who have had any horrific adverse reactions from these vaccines. Yes occasionally you will have some children who develop fever or have a rash at the injection site. But that is a side effect of any injection not just a vaccine. I would willingly and have had every vaccine that I give to my patients. I have also had the HPV vaccines and plan on getting the Gardasil 9 that is now been approved for adults older than 26. I also get a flu vaccine every year.

Southtxponygirl - 2018-10-10 12:57 PM With all the illegal immigrants flooding our country and here in South Texas its a really big problem, why WOULD YOU NOT want to protect your children from dieases? they are bringing measles, tuberculosis, rabies, hepatitis A, influenze, chickenpox and many more with them and trying to enroll their children in our schools, now why would you not want to protect your own children? This just makes no since to me, reading things posted on FB about how harmful vaccines are is just crazy..

 

inittowinit - 2018-10-10 1:07 PM
 I mean did you read anything in the insert that would cause you concern?  For instance, was there anything mentioned about the MTHFR gene? Like the other poster was talking about?  

thank you

Bear - 2018-10-10 11:29 AM


That’s a very reasonable question, and here’s my answer:
No. Nobody reads package inserts of every vaccine and medication as a matter of routine. That’s just a fact.
Stick with me, and read this carefully. I’m about to illustrate a point.
Here is a list of potential complications or adverse events associated with the use of a medication. Some of these are redundant, but this is what’s contained in the “package insert”:

Conditions Of Excess Stomach Acid Secretion
Feel Like Throwing Up - nausea
Heartburn
Irritation Of The Stomach Or Intestines
Stomach Cramps
Throwing Up
A Rupture or perforation in The Wall Of The Stomach Or Intestine
Anemia
Bleeding and hemorrhage
Bleeding Of The Stomach Or Intestines
Bloody stools
Bronchospasm and worsening of asthma with respiratory failure
Decrease In The Ability Of Platelet Cells To Clot
Decreased Blood Platelets
Decreased White Blood Cells
Drowsiness
Giant Hives - urticaria
Hemolytic Anemia
Hemorrhage Within The Skull, stroke, possibly fatal.
Hepatitis and rarely liver failure
Hives
Inflammation Of Skin Caused By An Allergy
Interstitial Nephritis and renal failure.
Itching
Large Purple Or Brown Skin Blotches
Life Threatening Allergic Reaction
Ringing In The Ears
Seizures
Small Skin Blister
Stomach Or Intestinal Ulcer
Trouble Breathing
Wheezing
Abnormal Liver Function Tests
Fatal liver failure with seizures in children
Burning Upper abdominal pain
Collection Of Clotted Blood In An Organ, Space Or Tissue
Indigestion
Loss Of Appetite
Rash
Redness Of Skin

So, I ask you, TyE, would you take this medication after reading this?

TyE - 2018-10-10 12:07 PM

 I appreciate your honesty, but it is quite frightening as well. I really wanted to hear what you had to say about the inserts.  I would "assume" that a Dr.  would be well versed on   the inserts of any medication and be able to explain those inserts in the most fisher price way to us lay folk.  I took a round of steroids on time for back issues, after that round I noticed that I could not swallow as well and started having what I thought was a heart attack!  After thousands of dollars out of pocket in the ER and Dr. office I was FINALLY diagonosed with Esophageal Spasms.  I later went back and read that extensive insert from the pharmacy and guess what, shrinking of the esophagus and spasm was a side effect of the steroid....who new! 

 I am "assuming" your question is a rhetorical one.  I VERY rarely take any type of medication. I try to avoid them especially after all the money I spent on the above mentioned episode and having to have my esophagus stretched. 

Thank you again for your honesty!

Gunner11 - 2018-10-10 1:25 PM


Ibuprofen? I know it's going to be something super common that we all use

cranky B4 10am - 2018-10-10 1:09 PM Well it's in FB so it must be true!      

TyE - 2018-10-10 1:05 PM I would have to know what the medicine was for before I could answer the question.  It would depend on what I was going through to warrant those side effects, as opposed to the issues I was having.  As in; would I rather have my issue or the possibility of the side effects?  i.e. Like a back ache or shrunken esophagus? 

FYI and others:  I can answer you this though I read all of the side effects of any type of pill I put in my mouth. I also do not eat cheetos, drink pop, eat wheat, smoke cigs, vape, drink alcohol, eat at McD, Taco Bell or anything similiar. etc.   I buy 90% organic, non gmo. Stay away from sugar (most of the time)  I do see a  Regualr Nurse Practioner and a Naturopath MD and I firmly believe that like my NP says the Medical field needs to learn from the Naturopaths and vice versa.   To learn from each other.  I am not anti Medicine. 

Oh and by the way for others information I have the MTHFR gene but only from 1 parent... I can't remember what it's called when it is that way? Or maybe I said that wrong?? My naturopath included this test in his bloodwork, not expensive and to make sure I   take the right type of B vitamin. 



Look forward to your information!

Gunner11 - 2018-10-10 1:25 PM Ibuprofen? I know it's going to be something super common that we all use

TyE - 2018-10-10 2:06 PM




The above was my answer to your question. 

Yes, I read that that type of steroid that I took could possibly cause your esophagus to shrink therefore causing the spasm.  

Southtxponygirl - 2018-10-10 1:57 PM


LOL  , theres just to many gullible people out there and I think most of them must be on FB.. 

Bear - 2018-10-10 12:02 PM

There is a measles epidemic happening right now in Europe. It has already infected over 41,000 children, and killed 37. There is every reason to believe that these numbers will only grow.

The worst part? It is entirely preventable. Every single sick child. Every single death. Step one is to vaccinate. Step two is to combat the deadly antivaxxers every chance you get.

RockyMountainRacer - 2018-10-11 4:54 AM

Imagine thinking 5 minutes of Googling on conspiracy theory websites and watching a couple sham documentaries trump an actual medical degree.

IdahoBarrelRacer756 - 2018-10-11 3:13 PM You should try being an attorney. I don't know why I spent $100k to go to law school when FB and Google can do my job for me.

bbennington - 2018-10-11 10:34 PM

I think most people have had this thought run through their mind at some point since all us parents want is to do the best thing for our children.

I decided to have this conversation with my pediatrician after having my second child. My pediatrician is older and old school about most things. She said “I grew up in days when these diseases were killing children and adults. I watched family members become very sick and some even passed away, I think this started my dream of wanting to become a pediatrician. I think people now days just forget what these diseases actually are and what they are capable of. Even through I will honor your decision to vaccinate or not vaccinate your children, please research the diseases we are vaccinating for!”

I have never questioned my decision to vaccinate my two children again! Also I not going to lie non vaccinated children scary me especially since everyone seems to be going through the phase of not doing it. Am I the only one that worries about taking my infant to the park? What if one of the kids are carrying something and my child isn’t due for that vaccination yet!

bbennington - 2018-10-11 10:34 PM

I think most people have had this thought run through their mind at some point since all us parents want is to do the best thing for our children.

I decided to have this conversation with my pediatrician after having my second child. My pediatrician is older and old school about most things. She said “I grew up in days when these diseases were killing children and adults. I watched family members become very sick and some even passed away, I think this started my dream of wanting to become a pediatrician. I think people now days just forget what these diseases actually are and what they are capable of. Even through I will honor your decision to vaccinate or not vaccinate your children, please research the diseases we are vaccinating for!”

I have never questioned my decision to vaccinate my two children again! Also I not going to lie non vaccinated children scary me especially since everyone seems to be going through the phase of not doing it. Am I the only one that worries about taking my infant to the park? What if one of the kids are carrying something and my child isn’t due for that vaccination yet!

Delta Cowgirl - 2018-10-11 10:55 AM We have just had warnings / alerts here in our state regarding Tuberculosis..... ugh.

Nita - 2018-10-12 9:17 AM


Actually, I think the antivaxxer kids are more at risk of catching something from another child who is a little sick from being recently vaccinated with a live virus vaccine. Your kids are safe from the non-vaccinated ones, as I understand it.

Nita - 2018-10-12 9:37 AM

I guess I consider myself to be on the fence, too. Even though I believe in vaccines, and I know they work. (Everyone and everything here is vaccinated.)

I think at least some children may have been harmed from the blanket approach of "everyone-vaccinate", but I also think some children have been harmed from the other extreme of "no vaccines at all" approach. I don't think doctors know everything and I don't trust big pharmaceutical companies to have the best interest of every individual in mind. But, I think the testimony from parents whose children have maybe been harmed by vaccines does have merit. I don't think people who lack a PhD should be called stupid just because they question vaccines. Just because the harmed are a small number and drug companies (and doctors) can point to a very large number of un-harmed and say "well, it didn't happen to them" doesn't mean it didn't affect those kids. I would have more confidence in the drug companies if they were really trying to find out why a vaccine may have affected those kids. If it's as simple as a test for a gene, why not offer that to parents?

I chose to do vaccines on a much slower schedule. The doctors admitted that, if they asked patients to make that many separate trips for vaccines, that a good many wouldn't follow through. It was also more expensive. But, I felt better doing it that way after my son got sick from his first series of shots. He did not get sick after the subsequent individual shots.

I also don't like it that I can't get separate vaccinations for measles, mumps and rubella. I would pay much more to get them done at three separate visits. But, I was told that they only offer that in Europe. I'm sure it's still like that now.

Bear - 2018-10-12 12:16 PM It’s not hard to instinctively believe that giving so many vaccines to kids, or giving multiple vaccines at once is a harmful practice. This has been studied fairly extensively, and to date, the conclusion is that there is no good evidence that this practice is harmful. In fact, there is work underway to provide more vaccine combinations because the practice has demonstrable safety. That work has merit, to my way of thinking, particularly if we can safely cut down on the number of “shots” given to kids. Maybe then parents would be a little less reluctant to bring their kids in for vaccines. There are some doctors out there who have jumped on the antivax bandwagon, but it’s not based on scientific reality. They too succumb to the same faulty, baseless logic as the antivaxers. Many have found their stances to yield handsome financial windfalls. It’s very easy to blame things like this on big, greedy, evil pharma, but the truth is many of us wouldn’t be alive were it not for “big pharma”. Also, this idea that doctors are motivated to push vaccines out of greed is just not true. If greed was their motive, they should push against vaccines. That way they will rake it in when all these kids get sick. As to this idea of “testing for a gene”, I addressed that in an earlier post, and included an excellent link that lays it all out. Just remember this.....measles kills a handful of kids every year in the US now. Before vaccines it killed 6000-7000 a year. Think about that.

Southtxponygirl - 2018-10-10 12:57 PM With all the illegal immigrants flooding our country and here in South Texas its a really big problem, why WOULD YOU NOT want to protect your children from dieases? they are bringing measles, tuberculosis, rabies, hepatitis A, influenze, chickenpox and many more with them and trying to enroll their children in our schools, now why would you not want to protect your own children? This just makes no since to me, reading things posted on FB about how harmful vaccines are is just crazy..

 

AnotherRound - 2018-10-13 2:24 PM Rabies? They are bringing rabies with them? I'm all for vaccinations but I'm curious as to how immigrants are bringing rabies? 

cheryl makofka - 2018-10-13 2:15 PM

I have to ask the people who delay vaccines or choose not to vaccinate your kids. Do you vaccinate your animals?

firewaterfuelsme - 2018-10-12 3:00 PM get your pediatrician to email you a copy of each vac ingedients. do your own search of ingredient then you will have confidence that you are making the right choice for your kids. if you find something concerning talk to their dr.