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Ulcers/Parasites/? UPDATE p. 2
horsegirl
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2018-10-18 8:24 AM
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 My horse has been having recurrent colic issues (about once a week or week and a half) for the last 2 months. He had a history of ulcers according to previous owner, so I kind of assumed that's what it must be and had him scoped. No ulcers were found in upper stomach, but he was unsuccessful in accessing lower stomach sufficiently. Prescribed a month of Gastrogard. We are on week 3 now. He continues to colic at the same rate. Taking him to a specialist hospital next Monday for abdominal ultrasound and whatever else they want to check.

Blood work "all pretty much normal"
Fecal egg count tested positive for strongyles at 200 eggs/gm.

What wormer do you suggest? Equimax is what I am reading in my searches. My vet said "give him a wormer now and again in 2 weeks," but he did not mention what type. Thoughts?

 

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Omeprazole (Gastrogard) will not cure hind gut ulcers. Not sure why your vet prescribed that if that's what they suspect?
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horsegirl
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BamaCanChaser - 2018-10-18 9:35 AM Omeprazole (Gastrogard) will not cure hind gut ulcers. Not sure why your vet prescribed that if that's what they suspect?

He suspected lower stomach ulcers (glandular region). I am suspecting hind gut, however.
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Liana D
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Posted 2018-10-18 8:52 AM
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I would do a Safeguard Power Pack and also work for tapeworms (anything with Praziquantel). I would also put him on Assure Guard Gold. They have a program that pays your vet bills (whether they need surgery or not) if he’s on their product and enrolled in the program.

If he did have stomach ulcers and you were using name brand Ulcergard, not compounded, you should have seen a response by now.
I’ve seen horses do this when they’ve got tape worms (which won’t show in a fecal) so it wouldn’t hurt to treat for that.

The AGG is a big dose of probiotics and psyllium. It’s straightened out some chronics for me.

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horsegirl
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Liana D - 2018-10-18 9:52 AM

I would do a Safeguard Power Pack and also work for tapeworms (anything with Praziquantel). I would also put him on Assure Guard Gold. They have a program that pays your vet bills (whether they need surgery or not) if he’s on their product and enrolled in the program.

I'll check into it. He's insured, so my vet bills are being covered (Thank God), and I also ordered KER Ritetrac to address hindgut health. Also giving Forco. Praying.
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horsegirl
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Liana D - 2018-10-18 9:52 AM I would do a Safeguard Power Pack and also work for tapeworms (anything with Praziquantel). I would also put him on Assure Guard Gold. They have a program that pays your vet bills (whether they need surgery or not) if he’s on their product and enrolled in the program. If he did have stomach ulcers and you were using name brand Ulcergard, not compounded, you should have seen a response by now. I’ve seen horses do this when they’ve got tape worms (which won’t show in a fecal) so it wouldn’t hurt to treat for that. The AGG is a big dose of probiotics and psyllium. It’s straightened out some chronics for me.

Yep, no response, and it's name brand Gastrogard. 
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Do you have a lot of sand he could be ingesting?? My 26 yr old retired gelding was NOTORIOUS for colicing and reoccuring ulcers until we would do a monthly round of Metamucil, treated ulcers with GastroPLUS from THE and added FORCO to his diet.
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horsegirl
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panamasgold - 2018-10-18 1:37 PM Do you have a lot of sand he could be ingesting?? My 26 yr old retired gelding was NOTORIOUS for colicing and reoccuring ulcers until we would do a monthly round of Metamucil, treated ulcers with GastroPLUS from THE and added FORCO to his diet.

Not really. I have done 3 sand tests and no real sand to speak of.
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Posted 2018-10-18 2:03 PM
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Agree with a Power Pack. Either Panacur or Safeguard. Years ago when a horse would colic a lot we would tube worm and they would be fine after.
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horsegirl
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My concern is that this horse is highly sensitive. The lab that did the fecal suggested Equimax because it's relatively gentle and will get strongyles and tape worms. I'm worried a powerpack is a little aggressive. The lab says 200 eggs/gm isnt all that much. IDK
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Liana D
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horsegirl - 2018-10-18 2:11 PM

My concern is that this horse is highly sensitive. The lab that did the fecal suggested Equimax because it's relatively gentle and will get strongyles and tape worms. I'm worried a powerpack is a little aggressive. The lab says 200 eggs/gm isnt all that much. IDK

Powerpack doesn’t have a whole lot to do with the worms that are shedding the eggs found in the fecal. The powerpack is designed to treat encysted strongyles (which don’t show up in a fecal).

I find it really hard to rely on fecals since I’ve seen horses pooping worms, yet not showing anything on
the FEC
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Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2018-10-19 7:52 AM
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Bots will also cause these symptoms. I would worm with ivermectin. It gets tapes also. What are you feeding?
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horsegirl
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Posted 2018-10-19 8:04 AM
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readytorodeo - 2018-10-19 8:52 AM

Bots will also cause these symptoms. I would worm with ivermectin. It gets tapes also. What are you feeding?

We have tried a bunch of different options now over the last couple months. The rate of colic does not change.

Started off with 13/8 extruded pellet
Went to 12/10 extruded low starch pellet
Tried 2 weeks of no grain--just pasture and hay
After scoping, vet said to put on Senior feed

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Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2018-10-19 9:02 AM
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I would powerpak like others have said.  Then I would likely go with soaked timothy pellets and a mineral supplement like Big Sky and add in a months worth of their Hi Trax as well.  I have been using the it for a couple of months now and really like how my crew has done and the changes i've seen, plus it's very affordable.  Read the reviews on the Big Sky mineral itself from others who have used it.  It may be exactly what you need, but I would definitely add in the Hi Trax for a bit to get the good bacteria in the gut back balanced.  I don't use it free choice, but rather do the 4 oz daily.  I wasn't having colic problems, but do have a mare that tends to be more prone to parasitic overload than she should be.  Her fecals are always clean, but she has stayed pot bellied despite getting lots of exercise.  I do think this has helped. 

The Big Sky shouldn't be used with a processed feed with a vit/min pack though.  Only if you're feeding a hay pellet and forage only type diet.  I have put some out free choice and my horses clean it up, so that would be an option too if you're set up to free choice soemthing.  I'm not, so easier to top dress for me.  

Best of luck!  I know how frustrating that can be!   
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Liana D
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2018-10-19 9:22 AM
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readytorodeo - 2018-10-19 7:52 AM

Bots will also cause these symptoms. I would worm with ivermectin. It gets tapes also. What are you feeding?

Bots would’ve shown up when the horse’s stomach was scoped.

Ivermectin doesn’t get tapeworms, Praziquantel gets tapeworms. Something like Equimax or Zimectrin Gold will get tapeworms since they have Ivermectin and Praziquantel in them.
Quest Plus will get tapeworms and also encysted strongyles, but it might be on the harsh side for a horse with GI problems.
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Posted 2018-10-20 4:32 PM
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your horse may have one of those monoliths/calcium build up. blocking his stomach which would also make him colic. you can put him on chanca piedra and see if it helps. perhaps an ultra sound.
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horsegirl - 2018-10-18 8:24 AM

 My horse has been having recurrent colic issues (about once a week or week and a half) for the last 2 months. He had a history of ulcers according to previous owner, so I kind of assumed that's what it must be and had him scoped. No ulcers were found in upper stomach, but he was unsuccessful in accessing lower stomach sufficiently. Prescribed a month of Gastrogard. We are on week 3 now. He continues to colic at the same rate. Taking him to a specialist hospital next Monday for abdominal ultrasound and whatever else they want to check.

Blood work "all pretty much normal"
Fecal egg count tested positive for strongyles at 200 eggs/gm.

What wormer do you suggest? Equimax is what I am reading in my searches. My vet said "give him a wormer now and again in 2 weeks," but he did not mention what type. Thoughts?

 

  I'm so sorry about your horse. I hope you get it figured out. One thing I dealt with was one horse I have had colic episodes every week that went on for a month and it ended up being sand... I don't even live in a sandy area. We tested his manure and found it. He just liked to mill around in the dirt picking up everyone's dropped feed. Did a week of sandclear. Then a week off and then one more week of sandclear... Then now just one week of it monthly and luckily he's been good.
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Chandler's Mom
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Posted 2018-10-21 12:34 AM
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WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-10-21 12:26 AM

horsegirl - 2018-10-18 8:24 AM

 My horse has been having recurrent colic issues (about once a week or week and a half) for the last 2 months. He had a history of ulcers according to previous owner, so I kind of assumed that's what it must be and had him scoped. No ulcers were found in upper stomach, but he was unsuccessful in accessing lower stomach sufficiently. Prescribed a month of Gastrogard. We are on week 3 now. He continues to colic at the same rate. Taking him to a specialist hospital next Monday for abdominal ultrasound and whatever else they want to check.

Blood work "all pretty much normal"
Fecal egg count tested positive for strongyles at 200 eggs/gm.

What wormer do you suggest? Equimax is what I am reading in my searches. My vet said "give him a wormer now and again in 2 weeks," but he did not mention what type. Thoughts?

 

  I'm so sorry about your horse. I hope you get it figured out. One thing I dealt with was one horse I have had colic episodes every week that went on for a month and it ended up being sand... I don't even live in a sandy area. We tested his manure and found it. He just liked to mill around in the dirt picking up everyone's dropped feed. Did a week of sandclear. Then a week off and then one more week of sandclear... Then now just one week of it monthly and luckily he's been good.

She said she had done 3 sand tests. . . . Bless her heart I hope she can get it figured out for him.
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Chandler's Mom - 2018-10-21 12:34 AM

WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-10-21 12:26 AM

horsegirl - 2018-10-18 8:24 AM

 My horse has been having recurrent colic issues (about once a week or week and a half) for the last 2 months. He had a history of ulcers according to previous owner, so I kind of assumed that's what it must be and had him scoped. No ulcers were found in upper stomach, but he was unsuccessful in accessing lower stomach sufficiently. Prescribed a month of Gastrogard. We are on week 3 now. He continues to colic at the same rate. Taking him to a specialist hospital next Monday for abdominal ultrasound and whatever else they want to check.

Blood work "all pretty much normal"
Fecal egg count tested positive for strongyles at 200 eggs/gm.

What wormer do you suggest? Equimax is what I am reading in my searches. My vet said "give him a wormer now and again in 2 weeks," but he did not mention what type. Thoughts?

 

  I'm so sorry about your horse. I hope you get it figured out. One thing I dealt with was one horse I have had colic episodes every week that went on for a month and it ended up being sand... I don't even live in a sandy area. We tested his manure and found it. He just liked to mill around in the dirt picking up everyone's dropped feed. Did a week of sandclear. Then a week off and then one more week of sandclear... Then now just one week of it monthly and luckily he's been good.

She said she had done 3 sand tests. . . . Bless her heart I hope she can get it figured out for him.

  I didn't read all the posts. Just her first one.
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horsegirl
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Posted 2018-10-21 10:36 AM
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Thanks for the tips! I am fasting him this afternoon and tonight and heading 2 hours to a vet hospital Monday for another scoping and who knows what else they’ll try. Hoping we can figure it out.
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Hopefully y'all get this figured oit
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Douglas J Gordon
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I am a firm believer inreating for paracites after I neglected for many years.  When Isaw my first worm I was amazed and started on a program.Horses have a very small percent of ulcers in the hind gut. True Omeprazole will not heal ulcers in Hind gut.  Omeprazole is the way to go for ulcers!!!! 
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Liana D - 2018-10-18 8:52 AM

I would do a Safeguard Power Pack and also work for tapeworms (anything with Praziquantel). I would also put him on Assure Guard Gold. They have a program that pays your vet bills (whether they need surgery or not) if he’s on their product and enrolled in the program.

If he did have stomach ulcers and you were using name brand Ulcergard, not compounded, you should have seen a response by now.
I’ve seen horses do this when they’ve got tape worms (which won’t show in a fecal) so it wouldn’t hurt to treat for that.

The AGG is a big dose of probiotics and psyllium. It’s straightened out some chronics for me.

Also, several horses I know of lately have been having huge loads of bloodworms, even though they've been wormed regularly and wormers were rotated. Power pak is the only one, I think, that gets bloodworms. Be sure and specifically ask your vet to check for them.
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horsegirl
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Posted 2018-10-23 6:47 AM
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Update: Spent 5 hours consulting with 4 different vets at the equine hospital in Ocala yesterday. Did a full scoping this time and all looked fine--just some keritinization from former ulcers/stress. Did abdominal radiographs. Minimal sand and no enteroliths visible. Did an abdominal ultrasound, no thickening or anything unusual that they could identify. Rectal exam relatively normal. Bloodwork normal. So.....we don't know. They didn't think parasite load was much to worry about but they suggested Equimax follwed by Quest a couple weeks later. They are wondering if it is the roundbale hay in the pasture causing mild impactions every once in a while. I am not so sure I go along with this theory because the timing of his episodes doesnt seem to flow with this theory, and he passes manure consistently and it is never overly hard/dry or anything, but...

They suggested Assure Guard Gold, so I will order that. Like a board member said here, the $10,000 coverage after 3 months may help if they need to go in and explore after/during an episode.

So frustrating.

 

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horsegirl - 2018-10-23 7:47 AM

Update: Spent 5 hours consulting with 4 different vets at the equine hospital in Ocala yesterday. Did a full scoping this time and all looked fine--just some keritinization from former ulcers/stress. Did abdominal radiographs. Minimal sand and no enteroliths visible. Did an abdominal ultrasound, no thickening or anything unusual that they could identify. Rectal exam relatively normal. Bloodwork normal. So.....we don't know. They didn't think parasite load was much to worry about but they suggested Equimax follwed by Quest a couple weeks later. They are wondering if it is the roundbale hay in the pasture causing mild impactions every once in a while. I am not so sure I go along with this theory because the timing of his episodes doesnt seem to flow with this theory, and he passes manure consistently and it is never overly hard/dry or anything, but...

They suggested Assure Guard Gold, so I will order that. Like a board member said here, the $10,000 coverage after 3 months may help if they need to go in and explore after/during an episode.

So frustrating.

 

 This makes me sad for you,after having gone through what you did with your mare,and now this with a new horse:(((Just wanted to say I'm sorry you are going through this:((
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I have had more than one horse that could not have free access to a roundbale, both from an impaction perspective as well as mold perspective.  I would agree that could definitely be contributing to the issue.  I'd also still recommend removing any processed grain and using either timothy or alfalfa pellets (1 - 2 pounds per feeding) soaked to mix in any supplements you use, and even some supplements i'd be leery of due to the fillers and processed crap in them.   Sorry you're having to deal with this, as I know it can be so frustrating and scary!  
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jake16 - 2018-10-23 8:59 AM
horsegirl - 2018-10-23 7:47 AM Update: Spent 5 hours consulting with 4 different vets at the equine hospital in Ocala yesterday. Did a full scoping this time and all looked fine--just some keritinization from former ulcers/stress. Did abdominal radiographs. Minimal sand and no enteroliths visible. Did an abdominal ultrasound, no thickening or anything unusual that they could identify. Rectal exam relatively normal. Bloodwork normal. So.....we don't know. They didn't think parasite load was much to worry about but they suggested Equimax follwed by Quest a couple weeks later. They are wondering if it is the roundbale hay in the pasture causing mild impactions every once in a while. I am not so sure I go along with this theory because the timing of his episodes doesnt seem to flow with this theory, and he passes manure consistently and it is never overly hard/dry or anything, but...



They suggested Assure Guard Gold, so I will order that. Like a board member said here, the $10,000 coverage after 3 months may help if they need to go in and explore after/during an episode.



So frustrating.


 
 This makes me sad for you,after having gone through what you did with your mare,and now this with a new horse:(((Just wanted to say I'm sorry you are going through this:((

I know it. Can't seem to catch a break. The other 40 horses on property have no issues. LOL Unfortunately, there are no pastures that would be stress free (he's an anxiety hot head and really sensitive) that have sufficient grass without having a roundbale out there. 
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Herbie - 2018-10-23 9:40 AM I have had more than one horse that could not have free access to a roundbale, both from an impaction perspective as well as mold perspective.  I would agree that could definitely be contributing to the issue.  I'd also still recommend removing any processed grain and using either timothy or alfalfa pellets (1 - 2 pounds per feeding) soaked to mix in any supplements you use, and even some supplements i'd be leery of due to the fillers and processed crap in them.   Sorry you're having to deal with this, as I know it can be so frustrating and scary!  

He's down to 1/2 scoop (4 lbs per day) of senior and all of the vets have agreed that the grain is not the contributing factor at all. They just can't agree on what is the contributing factor. Treating it as a hindgut issue and see how it goes. 
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Bless his heart and yours. Please keep us updated on how he does
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What does he do during these colic attacks? (such as pawing; running around; rolling; sweating in weird places; muscle "twitches" or tightness; etc) And what do you have to do to resolve them?
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 I had one that started doing that.  He ended up having colic surgery, they removed about 5 gal. of screenings.  When I bought him he was under weight and she had screening in her barn, he must have picked them up while scrounging for hay and grain on the ground.  After the surgery he gained a bunch of weight and didn't even look the same.
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slipperyslope - 2018-10-24 4:31 PM What does he do during these colic attacks? (such as pawing; running around; rolling; sweating in weird places; muscle "twitches" or tightness; etc) And what do you have to do to resolve them?
Stops walking and looks scared, looks back at his side(s), respiration increases, and starts laying down and standing back up repeatedly (no rolling really, just sometimes lays flat out), sometimes pawing. Banamine orally brings him out of it within an hour. Although, since I board, he may do it also when unsupervised and I guess he works through it himself. 

Started on KER Ritetrac (with Equishure in it) and the Assure Guard Gold and RelyneGI are on the way--per vet recommendations. He has lost ZERO weight during this fiasco. He appears to have no malabsorbtion issues.

 

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I wonder if he has a stricture somewhere in the small intestine. When the digested material tries to go through it and it "hurts" the colic signs would begin. I would be interested to see what a sample of his gastric mucous would show if tested. If banamine helps that makes sense because it relaxes smooth muscle. Kinda see the same thing in my human patients when they have strictures from their Crohn's or ulcerative colitis that need to be dilated.
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If this was my horse I would pull all feed and supplements and just feed him hay for a few weeks and see how he does..And if he still colics with out being fed feed and supplements then I would start him back slowly on his feed and go buy my own hay for a few weeks and see what heppens then, I know you board but good grief this has been going on to long. Poor guy 
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horsegirl - 2018-10-19 8:04 AM
readytorodeo - 2018-10-19 8:52 AM Bots will also cause these symptoms. I would worm with ivermectin. It gets tapes also. What are you feeding?
We have tried a bunch of different options now over the last couple months. The rate of colic does not change. Started off with 13/8 extruded pellet Went to 12/10 extruded low starch pellet Tried 2 weeks of no grain--just pasture and hay After scoping, vet said to put on Senior feed

Did'nt read all comments and decided too and I see you have done the pulling the feed thing, Man what a mystery, hope this is solved soon for this poor horse.  
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slipperyslope - 2018-10-24 4:31 PM What does he do during these colic attacks? (such as pawing; running around; rolling; sweating in weird places; muscle "twitches" or tightness; etc) And what do you have to do to resolve them?
Stops walking and looks scared, looks back at his side(s), respiration increases, and starts laying down and standing back up repeatedly (no rolling really, just sometimes lays flat out), sometimes pawing. Banamine orally brings him out of it within an hour. Although, since I board, he may do it also when unsupervised and I guess he works through it himself. 

Started on KER Ritetrac (with Equishure in it) and the Assure Guard Gold and RelyneGI are on the way--per vet recommendations. He has lost ZERO weight during this fiasco. He appears to have no malabsorbtion issues.

 

Have you considered having him tested for PSSM? If he was fine in the past but just started having issues at this age, that sounds more like PSSM2 vs PSSM1 since it is a later onset. The symptoms you describe could easily be PSSM2 symptoms - many times they are very similar to colic & mistaken for such.
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slipperyslope - 2018-10-24 4:31 PM What does he do during these colic attacks? (such as pawing; running around; rolling; sweating in weird places; muscle "twitches" or tightness; etc) And what do you have to do to resolve them?
Stops walking and looks scared, looks back at his side(s), respiration increases, and starts laying down and standing back up repeatedly (no rolling really, just sometimes lays flat out), sometimes pawing. Banamine orally brings him out of it within an hour. Although, since I board, he may do it also when unsupervised and I guess he works through it himself. 



Started on KER Ritetrac (with Equishure in it) and the Assure Guard Gold and RelyneGI are on the way--per vet recommendations. He has lost ZERO weight during this fiasco. He appears to have no malabsorbtion issues.


 
Have you considered having him tested for PSSM? If he was fine in the past but just started having issues at this age, that sounds more like PSSM2 vs PSSM1 since it is a later onset. The symptoms you describe could easily be PSSM2 symptoms - many times they are very similar to colic & mistaken for such.

Yes google PSSM..Its Tying up.. And the way you just describe your horse could very well be his problem..  
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Southtxponygirl - 2018-10-25 10:26 PM
slipperyslope - 2018-10-25 8:54 PM
horsegirl - 2018-10-25 5:38 AM
slipperyslope - 2018-10-24 4:31 PM What does he do during these colic attacks? (such as pawing; running around; rolling; sweating in weird places; muscle "twitches" or tightness; etc) And what do you have to do to resolve them?
Stops walking and looks scared, looks back at his side(s), respiration increases, and starts laying down and standing back up repeatedly (no rolling really, just sometimes lays flat out), sometimes pawing. Banamine orally brings him out of it within an hour. Although, since I board, he may do it also when unsupervised and I guess he works through it himself. 



Started on KER Ritetrac (with Equishure in it) and the Assure Guard Gold and RelyneGI are on the way--per vet recommendations. He has lost ZERO weight during this fiasco. He appears to have no malabsorbtion issues.


 
Have you considered having him tested for PSSM? If he was fine in the past but just started having issues at this age, that sounds more like PSSM2 vs PSSM1 since it is a later onset. The symptoms you describe could easily be PSSM2 symptoms - many times they are very similar to colic & mistaken for such.
Yes google PSSM..Its Tying up.. And the way you just describe your horse could very well be his problem..  

The 4 vets that were working with him on Monday did not feel PSSM was applicable. It did come up on a list of options and none felt it fit the bill. Likewise, when I was looking it up, none of the symptoms fit aside from colic.
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Southtxponygirl - 2018-10-25 10:26 PM
slipperyslope - 2018-10-25 8:54 PM
horsegirl - 2018-10-25 5:38 AM
slipperyslope - 2018-10-24 4:31 PM What does he do during these colic attacks? (such as pawing; running around; rolling; sweating in weird places; muscle "twitches" or tightness; etc) And what do you have to do to resolve them?
Stops walking and looks scared, looks back at his side(s), respiration increases, and starts laying down and standing back up repeatedly (no rolling really, just sometimes lays flat out), sometimes pawing. Banamine orally brings him out of it within an hour. Although, since I board, he may do it also when unsupervised and I guess he works through it himself. 



Started on KER Ritetrac (with Equishure in it) and the Assure Guard Gold and RelyneGI are on the way--per vet recommendations. He has lost ZERO weight during this fiasco. He appears to have no malabsorbtion issues.


 
Have you considered having him tested for PSSM? If he was fine in the past but just started having issues at this age, that sounds more like PSSM2 vs PSSM1 since it is a later onset. The symptoms you describe could easily be PSSM2 symptoms - many times they are very similar to colic & mistaken for such.
Yes google PSSM..Its Tying up.. And the way you just describe your horse could very well be his problem..  

The 4 vets that were working with him on Monday did not feel PSSM was applicable. It did come up on a list of options and none felt it fit the bill. Likewise, when I was looking it up, none of the symptoms fit aside from colic.

Most vets are only familiar with PSSM1, and really have no clue on PSSM2 or it's symptoms. There is a group on FB - https://www.facebook.com/groups/202978353056065/ PSSM Forum. I would post your horse's symptoms, etc and pedigree and see what they think. The people on there are MUCH more knowledgeable about PSSM2 than 99% of vets since they live with it every day
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