|
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 421
Location: Central Iowa | My boy will be 3 in 2019 and I have made the decision not to breed him until 2020 to get a good solid foundation on him and start hauling him more. My question is I have 4 nice mares that I own that I am going put under him but I would like to get more under him. I have already lined him up to be at a stallion station on be AI only.
Obviously I do not expect mares owners to even show interest in a Jr. Stallion that has not proven himself yet so I am trying to think outside of the box (well maybe this is common not sure). Since I am looking for 2020 I have some time and I thought I might send some barrel racers I know that have some nice broodmares a message and wave the breeding fee if they pay for the vet charges. I know Slick By Design the first year or two he made it to the NFR they offered the top 15 ladies free breeding's to him (trying to get his babies in good hands) and I was wanting to do that as well in a way. Is this common or does anyone have any other ideas for me? Question for Mare owners, would this interest you at all??
I also know of some top stallion owners that will buy very well bred proven broodmares, breed them to their JR stallions and then sell the broodmares to get those babies in different peoples hands as well. Not sure if I like that plan as well but just another idea I guess!
My boy is by SBD out of a proven 1D/producing daughter of PCFH/Dinero
|
|
| |
|
 
Location: Not Where I Want to Be | ropinbuzz - 2018-10-23 11:27 AM My boy will be 3 in 2019 and I have made the decision not to breed him until 2020 to get a good solid foundation on him and start hauling him more. My question is I have 4 nice mares that I own that I am going put under him but I would like to get more under him. I have already lined him up to be at a stallion station on be AI only. Obviously I do not expect mares owners to even show interest in a Jr. Stallion that has not proven himself yet so I am trying to think outside of the box (well maybe this is common not sure). Since I am looking for 2020 I have some time and I thought I might send some barrel racers I know that have some nice broodmares a message and wave the breeding fee if they pay for the vet charges. I know Slick By Design the first year or two he made it to the NFR they offered the top 15 ladies free breeding's to him (trying to get his babies in good hands) and I was wanting to do that as well in a way. Is this common or does anyone have any other ideas for me? Question for Mare owners, would this interest you at all?? I also know of some top stallion owners that will buy very well bred proven broodmares, breed them to their JR stallions and then sell the broodmares to get those babies in different peoples hands as well. Not sure if I like that plan as well but just another idea I guess! My boy is by SBD out of a proven 1D/producing daughter of PCFH/Dinero
Take this advice for what you pay for it.
You are talking about standing a son of a young Stallion that is himself priced pretty resasonable at this piont.
Unless your's is winning at a pretty substantial level, the market is going to be very limited. |
|
| |
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 421
Location: Central Iowa | 1DSoon - 2018-10-23 10:32 AM
ropinbuzz - 2018-10-23 11:27 AM My boy will be 3 in 2019 and I have made the decision not to breed him until 2020 to get a good solid foundation on him and start hauling him more. My question is I have 4 nice mares that I own that I am going put under him but I would like to get more under him. I have already lined him up to be at a stallion station on be AI only. Obviously I do not expect mares owners to even show interest in a Jr. Stallion that has not proven himself yet so I am trying to think outside of the box (well maybe this is common not sure). Since I am looking for 2020 I have some time and I thought I might send some barrel racers I know that have some nice broodmares a message and wave the breeding fee if they pay for the vet charges. I know Slick By Design the first year or two he made it to the NFR they offered the top 15 ladies free breeding's to him (trying to get his babies in good hands) and I was wanting to do that as well in a way. Is this common or does anyone have any other ideas for me? Question for Mare owners, would this interest you at all?? I also know of some top stallion owners that will buy very well bred proven broodmares, breed them to their JR stallions and then sell the broodmares to get those babies in different peoples hands as well. Not sure if I like that plan as well but just another idea I guess! My boy is by SBD out of a proven 1D/producing daughter of PCFH/Dinero
Take this advice for what you pay for it.
You are talking about standing a son of a young Stallion that is himself priced pretty resasonable at this piont.
Unless your's is winning at a pretty substantial level, the market is going to be very limited.
Thank you for your honest opinion. I do get what you are saying and have thought about holding off on breeding him at all. At least until he gets some money under him in both roping and barrels. |
|
| |
|
 Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
 
Location: OH | Agree with 1D soon but if you are going to stand him I would sure breed your mares to him next year. Heck, should have this year.
It is very hard to sell somebody on breeding to him till he has get out there winning---like you stated, SBD went to the NFR and they were still giving breedings away. Best way to do that is to breed your mares and direct those foals to people that will make them shine. |
|
| |
|
  That's White "Man" to You
Posts: 5515
| Are you going to futurity him? |
|
| |
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 421
Location: Central Iowa | Whiteboy - 2018-10-23 11:16 AM
Are you going to futurity him?
Yes, thinking about the later ones I guess!
|
|
| |
|
That's White "Man" to You
Posts: 5515
| ropinbuzz - 2018-10-23 11:30 AM
Whiteboy - 2018-10-23 11:16 AM
Are you going to futurity him?
Yes, thinking about the later ones I guess!
I think that goes a long ways if the mare owners can see that he is in training and you are committed to proving him. As far as offering him to mare owners, it doesn't hurt, but chances are they will not be top tier mares. |
|
| |
|
 Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Breed him. People will always find an excuse not to breed. But the sooner you get foals on the ground the better. Another reason is, he may not sire what you want (quality) the sooner you know, the sooner you can geld him and move on. |
|
| |
|
Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | OregonBR - 2018-10-23 1:11 PM Breed him. People will always find an excuse not to breed. But the sooner you get foals on the ground the better. Another reason is, he may not sire what you want (quality) the sooner you know, the sooner you can geld him and move on.
This was my approach also---I believed in them and went to breeding them immediately. The quicker I could put their Get out there, the quicker they could prove themselves as a sire. |
|
| |
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 421
Location: Central Iowa | OregonBR - 2018-10-23 12:11 PM
Breed him. People will always find an excuse not to breed. But the sooner you get foals on the ground the better. Another reason is, he may not sire what you want (quality) the sooner you know, the sooner you can geld him and move on.
Very true! Didn't think of it that way! |
|
| |
|
Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | It takes quite a while to get things rolling. Believe me, you can tell people how nice your stud is till you are blue in the face but everyone will agree and then go to the flavor of the day. |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1446
Location: California | Mighty Broke - 2018-10-23 10:44 AM
It takes quite a while to get things rolling. Believe me, you can tell people how nice your stud is till you are blue in the face but everyone will agree and then go to the flavor of the day.
This is SO true!! They’ll choose designer studs with crappy conformation even after they’ve gone on about how nice yours is.
I personally think you have an advantage point in that he is an interesting cross, and being SBD he’s somewhat of an outcross for people.
Don’t wait to breed, start now. You won’t regret seeing his foals and the quicker the foals are riding age the better for him.
And the sooner you know if he’s a quality stallion, the better, especially for financial reasons.
Edited by *almost there* 2018-10-23 2:02 PM
|
|
| |
|
 A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Mighty Broke - 2018-10-23 12:21 PM OregonBR - 2018-10-23 1:11 PM Breed him. People will always find an excuse not to breed. But the sooner you get foals on the ground the better. Another reason is, he may not sire what you want (quality) the sooner you know, the sooner you can geld him and move on. This was my approach also---I believed in them and went to breeding them immediately. The quicker I could put their Get out there, the quicker they could prove themselves as a sire.
 |
|
| |
|
 Saint Stacey
| SBD isn’t a very good example. He was already at the NFR himself. He was proven. It was a genius move on Charlie's part to offer him to those great mares. Not a lot of people have that opportunity with a young stallion. |
|
| |
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 542
| Prove your stud....
Keep your stud in the public eye...
Breed your own, raise your own, futurity your own, and make sure they get in good hands
Most people go broke trying to prove a stallion. J Briggs I saw recently is selling her stud because flat out it's extremely expensive to pay them into incentives, advertise, prove them, prove their offspring, and foot the bill of all that goes with a stallion station stay etc |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1446
Location: California | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-10-23 6:11 PM
Prove your stud....
Keep your stud in the public eye...
Breed your own, raise your own, futurity your own, and make sure they get in good hands
Most people go broke trying to prove a stallion. J Briggs I saw recently is selling her stud because flat out it's extremely expensive to pay them into incentives, advertise, prove them, prove their offspring, and foot the bill of all that goes with a stallion station stay etc
Was this an article? I’d love to read it |
|
| |
|
 Mature beyond Years
Posts: 10780
Location: North of the 49th Parallel | *almost there* - 2018-10-23 7:28 PM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-10-23 6:11 PM Prove your stud.... Keep your stud in the public eye... Breed your own, raise your own, futurity your own, and make sure they get in good hands Most people go broke trying to prove a stallion. J Briggs I saw recently is selling her stud because flat out it's extremely expensive to pay them into incentives, advertise, prove them, prove their offspring, and foot the bill of all that goes with a stallion station stay etc Was this an article? I’d love to read it
She posted it on facebook
|
|
| |
|
 Living on the edge of common sense
Posts: 24138
Location: Carpenter, WY | OregonBR - 2018-10-23 11:11 AM Breed him. People will always find an excuse not to breed. But the sooner you get foals on the ground the better. Another reason is, he may not sire what you want (quality) the sooner you know, the sooner you can geld him and move on.
ditto to this. If you don't believe in him enough to breed your own mares to asap, no one else will. |
|
| |
|
Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | teehaha - 2018-10-24 12:15 PM OregonBR - 2018-10-23 11:11 AM Breed him. People will always find an excuse not to breed. But the sooner you get foals on the ground the better. Another reason is, he may not sire what you want (quality) the sooner you know, the sooner you can geld him and move on. ditto to this. If you don't believe in him enough to breed your own mares to asap, no one else will.
Yep--I bred my two best mares to my one stud when he was two. They foaled when he was three and were out winning and my stud was only 7. If you completely wait till a stud is proven in the barrel pen to breed---his Get will not hit the pen till he is 10-11 years old. |
|
| |
|
Elite Veteran
Posts: 898
Location: Mountains of VA | I understand owners wanting to breed their young 2yo stallions to get foals on the ground quickly. However, I have a nice 3yo stallion and I'm not sure if I will even breed him as a 4yo...........WHY??? because I want to make sure I have the training/hauling in him FIRST before opening the "stud" door. Some stud colts can handle starting their breeding career plus staying in training/hauling and some can't. I think it depends on the colt and how studdish they act from a young age.
IMO, if a stallion can breed a lot of mares and be a stud, he is not going to act like a gelding. A mild mannered stud will have a hard time collecting and "surviving" the breeding season. It drives me crazy when mare owners state that they only want to breed to a stallion that acts like a gelding..............they have obviously never tried to get through a breeding season with a stallion....the stallion sure as hell better not act like a mild mannered gelding.
|
|
| |
|
Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | hotpaints - 2018-10-24 7:26 PM
I understand owners wanting to breed their young 2yo stallions to get foals on the ground quickly. However, I have a nice 3yo stallion and I'm not sure if I will even breed him as a 4yo...........WHY??? because I want to make sure I have the training/hauling in him FIRST before opening the "stud" door. Some stud colts can handle starting their breeding career plus staying in training/hauling and some can't. I think it depends on the colt and how studdish they act from a young age.
IMO, if a stallion can breed a lot of mares and be a stud, he is not going to act like a gelding. A mild mannered stud will have a hard time collecting and "surviving" the breeding season. It drives me crazy when mare owners state that they only want to breed to a stallion that acts like a gelding..............they have obviously never tried to get through a breeding season with a stallion....the stallion sure as hell better not act like a mild mannered gelding.
You brought up a very good point. When we bred our boy as a 2 year old I had no intentions of campaigning him, if I had wanted to my thought process may have been different as you suggested. Once you go to breeding them, there is a change, they learn what they are about. I also get a kick out of the "acts like a gelding" thing. I will NEVER EVER and I mean never trust a stud therefore I will NEVER treat him like a gelding. PERIOD. |
|
| |
|
Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Mighty Broke - 2018-10-24 6:37 PM
hotpaints - 2018-10-24 7:26 PM
I understand owners wanting to breed their young 2yo stallions to get foals on the ground quickly. However, I have a nice 3yo stallion and I'm not sure if I will even breed him as a 4yo...........WHY??? because I want to make sure I have the training/hauling in him FIRST before opening the "stud" door. Some stud colts can handle starting their breeding career plus staying in training/hauling and some can't. I think it depends on the colt and how studdish they act from a young age.
IMO, if a stallion can breed a lot of mares and be a stud, he is not going to act like a gelding. A mild mannered stud will have a hard time collecting and "surviving" the breeding season. It drives me crazy when mare owners state that they only want to breed to a stallion that acts like a gelding..............they have obviously never tried to get through a breeding season with a stallion....the stallion sure as hell better not act like a mild mannered gelding.
You brought up a very good point. When we bred our boy as a 2 year old I had no intentions of campaigning him, if I had wanted to my thought process may have been different as you suggested. Once you go to breeding them, there is a change, they learn what they are about. I also get a kick out of the "acts like a gelding" thing. I will NEVER EVER and I mean never trust a stud therefore I will NEVER treat him like a gelding. PERIOD.
I have two stallions, a coming 24 year old and a coming 4 year old and both act very nice when it's not time to breed. They act very nice all the time but you get what I'm trying to say. lol
I've been around stallions that are horrible and mean. Others are very mild mannered. Both types will still breed. Libido and bad behavior aren't really the same. I can lead my older stallion to the wash rack by the mare barn and he might talk a little. Until I pick up the hose and start bathing him. He realizes his job isn't to tease mares and he shuts up and takes his bath.
The coming 4 year old is out being ridden and the lady says she can pony off him, he acts very nicely. Not studdy at all. He's only been collected, never live cover. I think that's important with a young stallion as well. It confuses them less. So far he's handling it without any issues about wanting to breed everything he sees. The difference is we've been very careful to differentiate between when it's time to breed and when it isn't. I KNOW that not all stallions can handle this. I've had one of those as well. He hadn't even been bred to a mare and he was horrible. But some do fine and isn't it better to know what you have before you get 5 years down the road. I bred one mare to the coming 4 year old. I don't want to wait years to find out if he's stud worthy.
This is the 3 year old resting in the shade next to a mare (heads together) on a day they were moving cattle with him AFTER they collected him to ship semen back to me to breed a mare.
 (Zoom in a crowd 2018.jpg)
Attachments
----------------
 Zoom in a crowd 2018.jpg (42KB - 252 downloads)
|
|
| |
|
 The Color Specialist
Posts: 7530
Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | If a stallion can't behave and do another "job" besides breeding mares, (If the owner wants him to have another job) he needs to BE a gelding. There are PLENTY of stallions out there that are competing or working on the ranch AND breeding mares at the same time. If he isn't going to be able to handle this, I would rather know sooner than later! |
|
| |
|
Elite Veteran
Posts: 898
Location: Mountains of VA | RacingQH - 2018-10-26 6:55 PM If a stallion can't behave and do another "job" besides breeding mares, (If the owner wants him to have another job) he needs to BE a gelding. There are PLENTY of stallions out there that are competing or working on the ranch AND breeding mares at the same time. If he isn't going to be able to handle this, I would rather know sooner than later!
I do agree with you.
However, the breeding/collection facility that we have worked with collects/trains all breeds of stallions. Their main complaint is stallions that have been "overtrained" or do not have enough libido to collect more than once in a week or that are intimidated by a handler or tease mare. Doesn't matter how well that stallion did in competition if he can not perform in the breeding shed hence the over extending of semen for shipping or the "substition" of semen which is now being caught through DNA testing.
It is a FINE LINE when training and handling stallions/colts.
|
|
| |