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| The Pink Buckle just announced it will pay $1,500,000 guaranteed payout in 2019. Get your foals enrolled before the end of the year! |
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| I’m still really confused by some of the rules. I thought that if a stallion sold, they were still PB if the stallions new owner wanted them to be? But now I’m seeing that Eddie Stinson and Born Ta Be Famous are no longer eligible according to their new owners. So does that mean any Eddie or BTBF foals prior to those foaled in 2019 are still PB eligible? And all those after 2019 aren’t?
So what happens if they get into the program again down the road? Are all get eligible then? Or just the ones prior to 2019 and then those after they get back in with a gap on ineligible ones? |
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| Only those grandfathered in or were conceived in 2018 are eligible at this point. The owner owns the slot, not the stallion. Very interesting that some are starting to pull out already. Alan Woodbury had a post infering that Tres Seis will be added in 2019. I wonder how pink buckle is going to pick who to add from the waiting list.
Where is the additional "guaranteed" $500k coming from?
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| Guess my confusion was that it was published and said in a video when the two sold that the PB nominations were going with them. Now it appears that must have fallen through? |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | I saw that too...........after they paid 25,000 to be in the PB. correct?? isn't that how the stallions get in or did I miss something |
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| got boost? - 2018-10-26 3:45 PM I saw that too...........after they paid 25,000 to be in the PB. correct?? isn't that how the stallions get in or did I miss something
I think Danny must have paid them in before the sale. |
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| Don't exactly know why you would think this is a cluster? There are the 40 original stallions from last year. The Slots are owned by the Slot owner and if a stallion sells they can go with the stallion or the owner can keep for another one of their own stallions. It is up to the slot owner.
Every stallion owner signed a contract that states that there can never be more then 50 stallions in the program. The reason Tres Seis is coming in is because they are adding a few more stallions this year.
I Think there are over 50 stallions on the waiting list so the program is thriving!
The way they get the additional $500,000 is from the foal nominations.
There are 2000 foals signed up so far this year. That is $400,000. Next year 90% of those will sign up again plus all of the new weanlings. This program has the potential to grow a lot. Especial when there are 6 or 7 years of foals all paying in each year.
The 2018 Pink Buckle was an A+ event. The ground was great! They drug on 3. The atmosphere was exhibitor friendly and the awards where fantastic! They said they where going to pay a million dollars and they did. Matter of fact they went home with the checks in hand.
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Location: Carpenter, WY | Whiteboy - 2018-10-26 12:21 PM Only those grandfathered in or were conceived in 2018 are eligible at this point. The owner owns the slot, not the stallion. Very interesting that some are starting to pull out already. Alan Woodbury had a post infering that Tres Seis will be added in 2019. I wonder how pink buckle is going to pick who to add from the waiting list.
Where is the additional "guaranteed" $500k coming from? This is starting to feel like a real cluster. maybe Tres Seis was way up on the waiting list Is the waiting list public anywhere?
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| teehaha - 2018-10-26 5:19 PM Whiteboy - 2018-10-26 12:21 PM Only those grandfathered in or were conceived in 2018 are eligible at this point. The owner owns the slot, not the stallion. Very interesting that some are starting to pull out already. Alan Woodbury had a post infering that Tres Seis will be added in 2019. I wonder how pink buckle is going to pick who to add from the waiting list.
Where is the additional "guaranteed" $500k coming from? This is starting to feel like a real cluster. maybe Tres Seis was way up on the waiting list Is the waiting list public anywhere?
I don't think it is public. He probably was near the top. I can also see where they might wan't some of the big money stallions like tres seis to add stability and clout to the program. |
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Location: Hiding from Reality | This has probably been answered but if a stud is added this year do his older offspring get grandfathered in? |
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| There are currently 34 stallions ahead of Ivory James on the waiting list for anyone wondering. People can sell their spot on the waiting list if they wish to do so....this is sometimes why many ppl think that the FF are "picking who they want or blah blah." No ppl pay extra money for a spot that belonged to someone else on the list, that someone was smart enough to realize that selling their spot was probably a better business decision than trying to prove their stud lol |
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Location: Muskogee, OK | hereiam - 2018-10-27 10:06 AM
This has probably been answered but if a stud is added this year do his older offspring get grandfathered in?
I believe this year was the only year older offspring could be grandfathered in... after this year the horse must be nominated as a foal to be eligible. |
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| The way I figure, they can easily pay out 1.5 million next year. Looks like they grossed over that for 2018
260 entries at $500 = $130k
2,000 nominations at $200 = $400k
40 stallions at $25k = $1,000k
Total = $1.53 million
This doesn't even include late nominations at $300 or amateur entries. However also doesn't include advertising, arena rental and event costs.
2019 "should" gross more than that with more stallions and entries
The whole deal with Eddie Stinson and Born ta be Famous does kinda make the program seem a little shady. I'm guessing Victory Farms was upset the stallions were moved and no longer standing with them, so they withheld the Pink Buckle slots. Just kinda bad business dealings that are outside of Pink Buckle
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | Guido - 2018-10-28 10:29 AM The way I figure, they can easily pay out 1.5 million next year. Looks like they grossed over that for 2018
260 entries at $500 = $130k
2,000 nominations at $200 = $400k
40 stallions at $25k = $1,000k
Total = $1.53 million
This doesn't even include late nominations at $300 or amateur entries. However also doesn't include advertising, arena rental and event costs.
2019 "should" gross more than that with more stallions and entries
The whole deal with Eddie Stinson and Born ta be Famous does kinda make the program seem a little shady. I'm guessing Victory Farms was upset the stallions were moved and no longer standing with them, so they withheld the Pink Buckle slots. Just kinda bad business dealings that are outside of Pink Buckle
Or Danny Ray withheld the spots and then the owners of Eddie Stinson and BTBF moved the studs after that. We don't exactly know what went down. |
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| bccanchaser16 - 2018-10-28 12:46 PM Guido - 2018-10-28 10:29 AM The way I figure, they can easily pay out 1.5 million next year. Looks like they grossed over that for 2018
260 entries at $500 = $130k
2,000 nominations at $200 = $400k
40 stallions at $25k = $1,000k
Total = $1.53 million
This doesn't even include late nominations at $300 or amateur entries. However also doesn't include advertising, arena rental and event costs.
2019 "should" gross more than that with more stallions and entries
The whole deal with Eddie Stinson and Born ta be Famous does kinda make the program seem a little shady. I'm guessing Victory Farms was upset the stallions were moved and no longer standing with them, so they withheld the Pink Buckle slots. Just kinda bad business dealings that are outside of Pink Buckle
Or Danny Ray withheld the spots and then the owners of Eddie Stinson and BTBF moved the studs after that. We don't exactly know what went down.
which is why I said I'm guessing
the stallions were publicly moved and then the PB spots were publicly changed
really not sure why it happened and I'm sure I never will
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | How much is it to nominate offspring? I looked on the website but couldn't find it.
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| barrelracingchick16 - 2018-10-28 6:35 AM
hereiam - 2018-10-27 10:06 AM
This has probably been answered but if a stud is added this year do his older offspring get grandfathered in?
I believe this year was the only year older offspring could be grandfathered in... after this year the horse must be nominated as a foal to be eligible.
So, retorical question - if I have a horse by a PB stallion who i thought about nominating this year and running in the open race, but didn’t (let’s say the dates conflicted with something already planned)...I’m SOL for all future years because I didn’t pay in this year? Was that advertised?
I don’t have a PB horse, so this truly is retorical out of curiosity. |
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Location: Hiding from Reality | The way I understood it yes you are SOL. |
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Location: OH | How does it work moving forward for the people that nominated their Eddie Stinsons and Born To Be Famous offspring ????? Now that they are no longer in the program. |
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Location: South Georgia | Mighty Broke - 2018-10-29 10:39 AM How does it work moving forward for the people that nominated their Eddie Stinsons and Born To Be Famous offspring ????? Now that they are no longer in the program.
I saw on a FB post that the farm is now offering their own incentive program on Born to Be Famous and Eddie Stinson. Don't recall the exact details. They say they were promised the spots for the two studs and it fell through. They came up with their own program based on something people do in the cutting industry (their words--not mine). |
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| Very clearly states on the Pink Buckle website:
In the case of stallions leaving the program or dying –> Within any given year, if you have nominated your horse (sired by a current Pink Buckle Stallion) and continue to pay your nominations yearly, your horse will always be eligible to run in the Pink Buckle Barrel Race.
Example — > ‘Stallion X’ sired horses are eligible to run at the Pink Buckle Barrel Race as long as they are nominated into the program each year starting in 2018 or each year of their life. If ‘Stallion X’ drops out of the Pink Buckle Stallions list, your foal will be eligible to run at the Pink Buckle Barrel Race as long as ‘Stallion X’ was Pink Buckle eligible the year your foal was conceived. Foal must be nominated based on schedule outlined above.
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| Danny Ray put on Facebook yesterday that it was understood that the two stallions that he sold would continue to stand at his place. Apparently, this did not work out and he has purchased AS GOOD AS NICK GETS who will be a PINK BUCKLE stallion. |
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| streakysox - 2018-10-29 10:58 AM
Danny Ray put on Facebook yesterday that it was understood that the two stallions that he sold would continue to stand at his place. Apparently, this did not work out and he has purchased AS GOOD AS NICK GETS who will be a PINK BUCKLE stallion.
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Location: Texas | OhMax - 2018-10-28 1:43 PM
barrelracingchick16 - 2018-10-28 6:35 AM
hereiam - 2018-10-27 10:06 AM
This has probably been answered but if a stud is added this year do his older offspring get grandfathered in?
I believe this year was the only year older offspring could be grandfathered in... after this year the horse must be nominated as a foal to be eligible.
So, retorical question - if I have a horse by a PB stallion who i thought about nominating this year and running in the open race, but didn’t (let’s say the dates conflicted with something already planned )...I’m SOL for all future years because I didn’t pay in this year? Was that advertised?
I don’t have a PB horse, so this truly is retorical out of curiosity.
Yes. Aged horses have until the end of this year to nominate. And they have said that plenty of times, its been very plainly stated, and they have told people multiple times to pay in now or be out forever. |
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Location: North Dakota | streakysox - 2018-10-29 10:58 AM Danny Ray put on Facebook yesterday that it was understood that the two stallions that he sold would continue to stand at his place. Apparently, this did not work out and he has purchased AS GOOD AS NICK GETS who will be a PINK BUCKLE stallion.
Danny said he was putting AGANG in the Pink Buckle for 2019. Does that mean since AGANG is a new stallion to Pink Buckle I can nominate my AGANG mare in for 2019???? |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | streakysox - 2018-10-29 4:20 PM I have no idea. Yes he is going to be PB. DR is using one of the spots that was filled with one of the sold stallions and filling it with AGANG.
He will then own one more spot to fill as he chooses.
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| Meep.Meep - 2018-10-29 10:12 AM
streakysox - 2018-10-29 10:58 AM
Danny Ray put on Facebook yesterday that it was understood that the two stallions that he sold would continue to stand at his place. Apparently, this did not work out and he has purchased AS GOOD AS NICK GETS who will be a PINK BUCKLE stallion.
What a big baby, why sell them then?
Probably because, if the rumor mill is true, a million bucks is pretty tough to pass up. Plus he was supposed to stand them for 3 years so he’d still be making money off of them even though he didn’t own them. |
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Location: Texas | The buyers made an agreement, and then chose to back out on it. Danny moved forward by adding another Great Stallion to his barn and into one of the slots he owns. I cant blame him for doing what he did. Yes, both Stallions brought great prices. I would have let them go well! A deal is a deal! Good Luck Danny Ray and Victory Farms! |
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| casualdust07 - 2018-10-29 12:43 PM
OhMax - 2018-10-28 1:43 PM
barrelracingchick16 - 2018-10-28 6:35 AM
hereiam - 2018-10-27 10:06 AM
This has probably been answered but if a stud is added this year do his older offspring get grandfathered in?
I believe this year was the only year older offspring could be grandfathered in... after this year the horse must be nominated as a foal to be eligible.
So, retorical question - if I have a horse by a PB stallion who i thought about nominating this year and running in the open race, but didn’t (let’s say the dates conflicted with something already planned )...I’m SOL for all future years because I didn’t pay in this year? Was that advertised?
I don’t have a PB horse, so this truly is retorical out of curiosity.
Yes. Aged horses have until the end of this year to nominate. And they have said that plenty of times, its been very plainly stated, and they have told people multiple times to pay in now or be out forever.
I don’t own a PB eligible horse like I said so I haven’t paid one bit of attention to any of it to be completely honest. That’s good that they are making that clear. |
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| SKM - 2018-10-29 3:59 PM
Meep.Meep - 2018-10-29 10:12 AM
streakysox - 2018-10-29 10:58 AM
Danny Ray put on Facebook yesterday that it was understood that the two stallions that he sold would continue to stand at his place. Apparently, this did not work out and he has purchased AS GOOD AS NICK GETS who will be a PINK BUCKLE stallion.
What a big baby, why sell them then?
Probably because, if the rumor mill is true, a million bucks is pretty tough to pass up. Plus he was supposed to stand them for 3 years so he’d still be making money off of them even though he didn’t own them.
Tit for Tat on that deal. One should always read the fine print. And never try to out hustle a hustler.
That has nothing to do but the Pink Buckle thats not their business it was between DR and the new owners.
I really hope they post a list of new stallions soon is greatly affects my prospect buying choices at the moment and heritage is this week. Also it is a great opportunity for someone to make a deal with DR and slide into that Pink Buckle slot that is open.
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