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| I recently got sucked back into facebook and am seeing all these "stallion prospects" for sale. Now some I would say could fit the bill but most do not, In my opinion. What would be your requirements for a stallion prospect to actually be just that? |
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| Not in the breeding business but I would certainly be looking at conformation first and foremost. After all, you get most interested based on a picture. I personally would also be looking for a somewhat rare cross. So many horses out there bred the same, obviously they are successful crosses but you have a lot of competition that way. Proven stats on the prospect himself or that cross for advertising. Up and coming bloodlines are somewhat of a risk but could have major reward if you play your cards right. |
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 Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
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Location: OH | Older proven sire and a good mama. |
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That's White "Man" to You
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| Mighty Broke - 2018-10-26 3:09 PM
Older proven sire and a good mama.
How good?? I'm seeing these horses with mothers that are "money earners" and others out of KG Justice we expected. Obviously a good mother is important but what makes her "good"? |
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| It isn’t just prospects though. I see a lot of really poor looking stallions that have no business having testicals. Yet people gush over them. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess.
I have one of the prettiest ASOF colts standing in my barn. He’s bred to the hilt, comes from 5 generations of proven mares that have all been by top 100 all time broodmare sires (most are top 30). He’s darn near perfect and he’s good minded. But he’s a boring bay instead of a roan like everyone wants. Everyday I really consider chopping him. Life would be a lot easier if he was a gelding. This colt has been outstanding from day 1. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Everyone has to judge for themselves. What one person wants and is proud of, I would geld. They probably think the same about mine. As long as anyone believes in their property, it's their right to keep it, feed it and do what they want with it. |
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| See. Everything being equal, I would take a beautiful bay over a roan any day. A lot of people do like roans but a striking bay just melts my heart!  |
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| 1. conformation
2. papers better back him up..
3. his momma better be producing..
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Location: Dubach, LA | Just another colt until he’s done something. |
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| I think pre-competition age where they can prove themselves they need to be correct with a great mind.
This day in age with the number of studs out there - I think on paper they need to be able to provide something different to the industry, be an outcross on great mares.
Otherwise IMO unless he’s standout performer in the best hands in the industry and gets the best promoting - he’s going to have an uphill battle to becoming a top stallion. |
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| A Blue Hen Momma! |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | OregonBR - 2018-10-26 2:50 PM Everyone has to judge for themselves. What one person wants and is proud of, I would geld. They probably think the same about mine. As long as anyone believes in their property, it's their right to keep it, feed it and do what they want with it.
This! I get tired of all the stud bashing. There are a bunch of tremendous sires that I wouldn't take afree breeding for. As a rancher I have certain standards that others may not. But everyone has a different idea of what pretty, well bred and perfect conformation stand for. Im not one to judge unless it is a Brazilian ad that is photoshopped to the nines  |
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| It all depends on your background
rodeo
futurity
race track
ranchy vs. 4D ppl
Your gonna get a different opinion from everyone but one thing everyone is gonna say is good mama's make good sires. Although remember Dashin Follies had 3 starts and earned less than $500. Who would have thought she'd produce the sires she or that those colts were sire material?
ABILITY is what a sire looks like and as an owner your ABILITY to see it is gonna look different as to your background.
Track is my background. And here is what I'll say about ability. "The fastest horses you've never heard of...."
A very famous old time trainer said that to me once and I didn't quite know what he meant at the time but now I totally understand it. Old horses were Iron horses because we didn't bred straight for speed. They ran an out and two weeks later ran another! Twenty one outs was a horse that had a medium length career! Now it is extremely hard for colts to run 4 weeks after their last out and very few get even 15 outs these days. disclaimer: I do wanna ad to this that the dex rules (mainly them lol) and testing are much different than those days and old timers will tell you this made a HUGE difference in the career of a horse.
We are breeding for speed. I prefer a racehorse to a cow bred horse. We have become very segregated as a bred. Example stand a reiner next to a hunt seat horse while at Congress and see the body difference.
I honestly wouldn't mind seeing some deviation from the norm but at the same time I wanna shut the clock off. *white girl shrug shoulder emoticon*
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Location: Mountains of VA | In the TB racing world.............sometimes a Great Colt can make his own pedigree.......meaning there might not be much on the papers but the colt proofs himself on the track and in the stud shed. I do think this applies to any breed............a NICE colt with a future will stand out at a young age. Sometimes the owners, trainers, riders, etc. are just along for the ride, the colt is destined for a great future and in the right hands they colt will succeed.
I have always thought that the best horses and ponies are standing in someone's backyard so to speak...........the horses that fall into the hands of people with enough money to advertise and promote are not always the best of that breed or discipline.
A more direct answer to the OPs question............a colt with the potential to be a stallion should have that "it" factor from the beginning. Just like picking out young bulls, rams, boars, etc., a stud colt should stand out as something special from the beginning.
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| CanCan - 2018-10-27 9:36 AM
Just another colt until he’s done something.
Yup.
Keep him a stud and how he performs as a 4 or5yo. Hopefully the barrel racing industry starts doing this instead of breeding to anything with a set of papers. |
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| Around this house those tata’s are gone as soon as they drop. When there is a stallion on every corner the world probably doesn’t need another. I have some wonderful geldings. |
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Location: Texas | okkritter - 2018-10-26 4:11 PM See. Everything being equal, I would take a beautiful bay over a roan any day. A lot of people do like roans but a striking bay just melts my heart!
I was going to say the same thing. A pretty bay catches my eye much faster than a roan any time. |
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | For me, what makes a stallion prospect-
1- the colt's sire already stands for an amount of money that's high enough for it to even make sense to breed to a son instead of the sire himself. If it's cheap enough to breed to his daddy, why wouldn't I just do that?
2- all other things are outstanding with the colt- conformation, temperament, athletic ability
3- the dam is proven producer. You need to know that not only was she proven herself, did she outproduce herself? When you get into reproduction, produce record is more important, to me, than performance record. ONCE a mare is at the age to have multiple performance aged foals. They better be winning too, or it doesn't matter as much what she did, in my opinion. Vice Versa, she may not have been an NFR performer, random example, but has produced NFR babies. Works for me. |
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Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
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Location: OH | Looks like this---has three full siblings that are 1D and rodeo winners BUT------I am still gelding him.
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That's White "Man" to You
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| Mighty Broke - 2018-10-29 2:56 PM Looks like this---has three full siblings that are 1D and rodeo winners BUT------I am still gelding him.
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| I hope like this! He has to earn his right to keep his cajones tho....he's been with a futurity trainer for 2 weeks thus far so I'm anxiously awaiting his "report card" lol. So far so good tho:
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I personally know what a couple nice prospects look like. ;) |
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That's White "Man" to You
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| oija - 2018-10-30 12:23 PM I personally know what a couple nice prospects look like. ;)
Fingers crossed, right?? |
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| terrific set of responses. Pedigree first with a strong maternal line and a comparative advantage to other mainstream options. Don't want just another version of an existing model. Strong in areas that are moderately and highly heritable including conformation. Something unique that will stand this horse from the rest - the stallion market is full of options. This unique feature can be beauty - but the prettiest color is 1st place. Seldom hear, "that sure was an ugly horse that just won that big time race", so performance is key. Also, agree each person has the right to follow our own path, but if we want to successfully market breedings, then we must convince a reasonable number of mare owners that our path is correct. select a prospect that brings out your passion, because the road looks to be rocky and full of doubters. Must be standing behind a stallion that you believe in enough to stay the course. |
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Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
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Location: OH | Blake Russell - 2018-10-31 10:38 AM terrific set of responses. Pedigree first with a strong maternal line and a comparative advantage to other mainstream options. Don't want just another version of an existing model. Strong in areas that are moderately and highly heritable including conformation. Something unique that will stand this horse from the rest - the stallion market is full of options. This unique feature can be beauty - but the prettiest color is 1st place. Seldom hear, "that sure was an ugly horse that just won that big time race", so performance is key. Also, agree each person has the right to follow our own path, but if we want to successfully market breedings, then we must convince a reasonable number of mare owners that our path is correct. select a prospect that brings out your passion, because the road looks to be rocky and full of doubters. Must be standing behind a stallion that you believe in enough to stay the course.
Well said, the last sentence is paramount. It is a long long road that many fail to complete even with the best of intentions. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Whiteboy - 2018-10-30 1:42 PM
oija - 2018-10-30 12:23 PM I personally know what a couple nice prospects look like. ;)
Fingers crossed, right??
Righto!  |
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