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Recently we froze a thread about an 11 year old. I want your opinion about topics like this and when is a topic “off limits”. Should everything be posted on the internet? When is it appropriate, and when is it not? What’s your opinion? | |
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| Maybe we should limit it to BARREL RACING. Just a thought. | |
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| Hard lines are very difficult to draw. I believe people should be able to share their opinions, but I think their real name should be posted next to the comment. | |
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| I like being able to discuss everything ... not just barrel racing.. I get this is a barrel forum but I feel there is such a good group of knowledgeable people on that can share opinions and offer advice on just about anything. My thoughts on the 11 yr old... we all know who it is, it's been shared on fb and beyond by now so it's no secret about it. I think as long as you leave the persons name out of it, it should be ok. It's not too incredibly difficult to find out information on just about anybody these days, I feel this place shouldn't be any different.. just my humble opinion, of course! | |
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Location: Deep South | No. Everything certainly should not be posted on the internet. There are times when it's inappropriate. Said 11 yo's video should have never been posted and saying it was inappropriate is an understatement. However, in my opinion discussing a video and/or post in response to that video on a public forum that was voluntarily posted on social media for the entire world to see is not inappropriate.
And because I agree with Whiteboy, I'll sign my name. ;)
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Location: Texas | It's tricky. I agree good call to freeze that thread.. enough damage has been done on FB and she is a minor, a really young minor... doesn't need to be the source of any more social media drama.
But IDK if any hard rules should be placed. | |
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| This isn't our first go-round with what can and can't be posted on BHW. I understand that there are legal angles which take some of the fun out of stuff (David??). But we, as members, have to abide by what BHW can and cannot allow on its site.
My personal opinion is that free speech is very important and anything up to the legal limit should be allowed. You get to know peeps pretty good by observing how far they push limits.
The brave
The crowd
The foolish
The offended
The offensive
We all have a bit of each, right?
Dave and BHW - you have done such a great job over the years. Love that you are still asking opinions instead of just making new rules! | |
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Location: CTX | Emotions can run high, and typed words cannot always accurately express the sentiments behind them, so some people might get upset because they feel attacked while that was not the intention of the writer.
That being said, I love that this is a horse forum but also like the fact that we can talk about just about everything under the sun.
As long as we keep it respectful! I can (and sometimes will... ) disagree with others, but can still respect their opinions.
I have seen the video's and I feel she is a product of her environment. When her dad started defending her and saying he was proud of her he only put oil on the fire. She will keep doing this until mom and dad get a reality check, and if that happens the fight will be on to get her back on track. If they don't see the issues at hand here I think her future will be a very difficult one.
I for one feel sorry for her, she is way too immature to be able to handle the backlash her actions will have. And maybe spin totally out of control because of it. She is still only 11!! People really do good to remember that and not attack her online.... they are doing the same thing as her... bully someone online.... with the exception that most comments I read are from adults that should know better.....
Just MHO.
But back to your question Dave, I feel as long as people are discussing the matter at hand like adults, and not start name calling or bullying the people they disagree with I think the thread should stay open for comments.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall from past issues that if someone gets nasty their comment can be deleted. So that might be a way how we can still keep the discussion going, but also keep it nice.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | When videos are posted for the whole world to see it was made public and that was not appropriate so of course its going to be talked about when alot of kids and adults looked up to that someone. Not everything should be made public or posted on the internet. Some just showed their true colors posting videos of themselves. edit to add" Glad I got to see the true colors on this one, was really an eye opener..
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Location: Northeast SD | I honestly think that we, as adults, should be able to monitor ourselves and realize, that although that video was inappropriate for anyone, we should stop adding to the drama and bullying her for bullying others.
With that being said we obviously can't monitor ourselves and keep from throwing in our 2 cents. I think once you believe it is very obvious bullying and could ruin anyone's reputation any further than it has been on other forms of social media it needs to be shut down. | |
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What I do find to be sad is the judgement on the child. Let’s face it, any child from the age of newborn to 15 or 16...those kids are a direct product of their environment. The PARENTS aren’t parenting if the child is a hot mess. Maybe they are the ones that should be held accountable instead of the kid. | |
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Location: Kansas | I have no idea what the 11-year-old post was about. Missed that and I'm glad.
If you limit this forum to barrel racing and horses, you'll lose half your folks. There are simply the same subjects over and over and over again. You can only talk about leg wraps and what you feed your horse just so often. Look how much interest the Kavanaugh hearings generated and the Migrant Caravan. It's a great way for people to learn what's going on. If there's a little hostility here and there, such is the world. It doesn't happen often and happens on the barrel racing threads as well. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Just another thought, I think what happen on that one video of the 11 year old was that alot of folks had her high up on a pedestal because of a great coming up barrel racer she has become alot were in total shock of the things she said and how she was acting, so alot of us were in shock mode. Such a shame for her.I know I was in shock . 
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Location: The Lone Star State | If people had not been allowed to "discuss" little miss high and mighty then her sponsors might never have been made aware of what they were promoting. While "hear say" and defamation should not be allowed, that was not "hear say" when she herself made those videos public therefore public knowledge and open to scrutiny and should be allowed. JMO | |
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Location: WYOMING | She is 11. Little girls that age, and especially ones with very poor role models, have no clue the long term, far reaching repurcussions a video like that can have.
Just because it was posted does not mean it should be fair game for further discussion. Adults should make better choices and choose not to perpetuate the problem she has caused for herself.
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| I don't agree with bullying anyone. I would also normally agree that minors are off limits but this thing has gone completely viral elsewhere, and it did not start here. We just touched on the subject. Discussing it may have helped some of us realize we need to be careful with our own kids when it comes to social media. I do like to come here and discuss topics with my peers. I have been able to clear up lots of "hearsay" about things going on in the industry because we have so many well informed folks on this forum. I feel if we are discussing topics and our opinions based on FACTS, we should be able to do so. Anyone getting too nasty should be subject to having their comments deleted. I love this forum because its a safe place where we can discuss things that isnt WIDE OPEN like FB and other platforms.
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| I'm getting a constant theme that:
1. We are more than just barrel racing, we are a barrel racing community, that likes talking about and sharing many different topics. It's fun and I agree.
2. Most of us seem to agree that children probably need to be protected from themselves. But if they never "get in trouble" how do they learn?
With that said, when do we stop a thread?
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| I’ll be honest - I actually deleted Facebook off my phone last night because of the whole thing. I’d been considering it for a while because of the time suck it was becoming but watching how grown adults were treating an 11 year old girl made me realize how little I really want to have anything to do with social media these days. I’ll use the platform from the laptop to post items for sale - people can send me a message or call me. Their loss if they can’t read the whole ad and see I won’t reply to comments frequently.
Keyboard warriors who have never parented or haven’t parented in decades and had to deal with children in the world today willing to absolutely tear into a young child who is already being bullied, who have no clue what it’s like to have that kind of a spotlight on you. The same people who will turn around and share anti bullying messages. Just made me want to scream.
None of that is my feeling on the actual video or her fathers response, just my feeling on people’s reaction. I should hope some folks never find themselves inhabiting a glass house.
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| DaveM - 2018-11-14 12:16 PM I'm getting a constant theme that:
1. We are more than just barrel racing, we are a barrel racing community, that likes talking about and sharing many different topics. It's fun and I agree.
2. Most of us seem to agree that children probably need to be protected from themselves. But if they never "get in trouble" how do they learn?
With that said, when do we stop a thread?
I think you guys have done a great job at knowing when it's time to stop. Judgement is always going to be part of a forum like this. Sometimes you have to pull the dogs off, no matter how much blood they smell. | |
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| geronabean - 2018-11-14 10:53 AM She is 11. Little girls that age, and especially ones with very poor role models, have no clue the long term, far reaching repurcussions a video like that can have. Just because it was posted does not mean it should be fair game for further discussion. Adults should make better choices and choose not to perpetuate the problem she has caused for herself. JMO
I 100% agree with geronabean, what she said about her having no clue about the long term repercussions is not an opinion it is actually a fact. She does not have a brain that is developed enough to understand this at her age. I don't think a child is born this way, I think she was developed by her role models and parents. I do not think that a social media crucifying will fix the problem, I actually think it is a form of bulling in its own way. I think if you feel the need to judge, jury, and convict someone then the parents are the ones you should be turning your anger towards. I used it as a learning experienced and made my children watch it, whatever her reasons for acting that way children need to understand social media is not the place and to be very careful about your actions on there, how you may feel or act in the moment may not be the same way you feel in a day, an hour, or even 5 minutes. | |
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Location: N Texas | BamaCanChaser - 2018-11-14 9:44 AM
No. Everything certainly should not be posted on the internet. There are times when it's inappropriate. Said 11 yo's video should have never been posted and saying it was inappropriate is an understatement. However, in my opinion discussing a video and/or post in response to that video on a public forum that was voluntarily posted on social media for the entire world to see is not inappropriate.
And because I agree with Whiteboy, I'll sign my name. ;)
Lexus Carlee
I agree that if something is already posted publicly elsewhere, that posting it here, even with names, should be ok. | |
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| All they needed to do was issue an apology and say they do not condone that behavior.. the dad coming in and defending it, ruined any chance for this to be swept under the rug and forgotten in a few weeks. Now more and more bad things are coming out about her and her actions, things shes done or said in other situations.. her supposed sponsors are denying having anything to do with sponsoring her and also going as far as saying they'd never sponsor her in the future either. Its sad, yes ... I blame the parents 100% on this. Absolutely 100% | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | If this is what I think it's about, I haven't listened to the video. I don't want to. It's an embarrassment to society that a child would behave that way. That said, the parents are not doing anything to change this behavior or apologize for it. That makes this as much their fault as the childs. IMO all bets are off. It should be drug through the mud until something changes. At some point, possibly the child or the parents will realize they are mistaken. If the parents can't instill a moral compass in this child maybe public opinion can.
So short answer, If it's posted with names on other public sites, it is fair game here. | |
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Location: N Texas | DaveM - 2018-11-14 12:16 PM I'm getting a constant theme that:
1. We are more than just barrel racing, we are a barrel racing community, that likes talking about and sharing many different topics. It's fun and I agree.
2. Most of us seem to agree that children probably need to be protected from themselves. But if they never "get in trouble" how do they learn?
With that said, when do we stop a thread?
When it becomes toxic, it needs to be stopped. I've been in groups where the sole purpose (unbeknownst to me) was to make fun of other people in other groups, or just be condescending and vile in general. Once I realized the kind of people they were, I left the group.
I get it that people like to gossip, but when it turns into all-out bashing and becomes hateful, that's not ok.
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Location: N Texas | As far as the post that got frozen yesterday goes, I personally think it's a good thing that stuff like that gets brought up here. Before yesterday, how many people here had actually heard about it? I sure hadn't, and I know lots of other people hadn't. If I had a little girl who looked up to this person, I would dang sure want to be made aware of that behavior so I would know that she is not a suitable role model. | |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | OregonBR - 2018-11-14 12:41 PM If this is what I think it's about, I haven't listened to the video. I don't want to. It's an embarrassment to society that a child would behave that way. That said, the parents are not doing anything to change this behavior or apologize for it. That makes this as much their fault as the childs. IMO all bets are off. It should be drug through the mud until something changes. At some point, possibly the child or the parents will realize they are mistaken. If the parents can't instill a moral compass in this child maybe public opinion can. So short answer, If it's posted with names on other public sites, it is fair game here.
All good points OBR!!!
And I was actually thinking this morning... I wonder if all this was a wake up call for some and my hope is some good comes of it all... | |
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Shuter down... you know who just showed up. | |
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| Posts need to be stopped when we can't be polite.
That being said....there are a few certain smart-alecks on here who can't seem to not be sarcastic. Those people are usually ignored for the most part with their remarks, so a thread shouldn't be stopped for them.
As far as the 11 yo.... I'm sure the discussion was fierce. That video was attrocious. No where in any comments on multiple FB posts about the topic did I see people bullying her. I saw multitudes of people probably bullying dad...To do the right thing and raise his kid like a decent human. But peer pressure to do the right thing isn't bullying. I missed the thread. If it was stopped due to the fact that she's a kid, fine. If it was stopped due to people being ugly to each other, fine. If it was stopped due to people wanting better for the little girl and her attitude and they were being overly enthusiastic about it....it probably didn't need to be stopped, IMO. Especially when all of the info was 100% public to begin with. | |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | geronabean - 2018-11-14 1:38 PM ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shuter down... you know who just showed up.
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Location: N Texas | Nateracer - 2018-11-14 1:44 PM
Posts need to be stopped when we can't be polite.
That being said....there are a few certain smart-alecks on here who can't seem to not be sarcastic. Those people are usually ignored for the most part with their remarks, so a thread shouldn't be stopped for them.
As far as the 11 yo.... I'm sure the discussion was fierce. That video was attrocious. No where in any comments on multiple FB posts about the topic did I see people bullying her. I saw multitudes of people probably bullying dad...To do the right thing and raise his kid like a decent human. But peer pressure to do the right thing isn't bullying. I missed the thread. If it was stopped due to the fact that she's a kid, fine. If it was stopped due to people being ugly to each other, fine. If it was stopped due to people wanting better for the little girl and her attitude and they were being overly enthusiastic about it....it probably didn't need to be stopped, IMO. Especially when all of the info was 100% public to begin with.
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
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Location: Kansas | I remember a time when if a particularly offensive post appeared on a topic, that post was deleted.....not necessarily the whole thread. The moderators were watching closely then but likely don't have time now.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Overall, I think it would be very challenging to decide when a particularly incendiary thread has gone too far. I think there’s been a fair amount of latitude allowed on threads like the one about the 11 year old kid. Those threads go on forever sometimes and I think just about everything that could have been said was said. Freezing it was probably a good move, in my opinion.
I’ve been on here for over 10 years now, and I’ve gotten advice on a wide variety of topics outside of horses and barrel racing, and it hasn’t cost me a dime. For that I’m grateful. I think limiting topics to barrel racing and horses would kill this forum. | |
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Location: East Texas | DaveM - 2018-11-14 9:08 AM
What should we be able to post on BHW. We need your opinions.
Recently we froze a thread about an 11 year old. I want your opinion about topics like this and when is a topic “off limits”. Should everything be posted on the internet? When is it appropriate, and when is it not? What’s your opinion?
I will use an "off topic" example for my answer. I follow a Eating Low Carb FB page. When someone posts something and others chime in with their opinions, after a while, you begin to see the same responses, just twisted a little differently. After a while, the Admins will turn off the comments and thank everyone for their input.
This is where I saw this going yesterday. A lot of people gave a lot of opinions, but after a while we began to beat the ole dead horse. I think turning it off was a great choice and in the future, if you see it going down the same path, cutting us off is probably appropriate.
I personally thank you for letting us talk about a variety of topics because I have certainly learned a lot about life in general with my board buddies! Horses, especially!! | |
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| want2chase3 - 2018-11-14 10:32 AM I like being able to discuss everything ... not just barrel racing.. I get this is a barrel forum but I feel there is such a good group of knowledgeable people on that can share opinions and offer advice on just about anything. My thoughts on the 11 yr old... we all know who it is, it's been shared on fb and beyond by now so it's no secret about it. I think as long as you leave the persons name out of it, it should be ok. It's not too incredibly difficult to find out information on just about anybody these days, I feel this place shouldn't be any different.. just my humble opinion, of course! lol i must be dumb as i have no idea who they were talking about but i feel it should be decent what ever coments as go but i do love the varied opionios of everyone
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Bear - 2018-11-14 2:05 PM Overall, I think it would be very challenging to decide when a particularly incendiary thread has gone too far. I think there’s been a fair amount of latitude allowed on threads like the one about the 11 year old kid. Those threads go on forever sometimes and I think just about everything that could have been said was said. Freezing it was probably a good move, in my opinion. I’ve been on here for over 10 years now, and I’ve gotten advice on a wide variety of topics outside of horses and barrel racing, and it hasn’t cost me a dime. For that I’m grateful. I think limiting topics to barrel racing and horses would kill this forum.
Bear... I agree. I enjoy your posts. I do not post a lot. I have been registered with this forum since October 2003. ...15 years....LOL. I enjoy this forum as I do not participate in FB as I realized 6 years ago that it was an issue and could get ugly.
That all being said, over the past 15 years, I have been in very heated threads about colts, trainers, futurities, and drugs in the barrel world. I was fine with all my postings and others that responded.
Now, in my opinion, the most recent case could be discussed for a variety of reasons and I didn't see it as bullying.
a. This 11YO is in the spotlight. She has extreme talent, but her postings and what she does in public and posts in public with no shame should be noticed too. And I do understand her age and she doesn't know better, thats what she has parents for. Her parents condoned this all but the language. I saw other issues besides the language. If you want to put your child in the forefront, deal with what comes with it.
b. As I said, I do not have FB and never would have known about this. I do think her sponsors ( and others) should know. We are all consumers and do we want to support a sponsor that allows and supports this 11YOs behavior? I consider this forum to find out what is going in ALL of barrel racing.
I'lll probably get flamed, but I do not think you can't have ALL good with no bad. A person (or the parents) have a responsibility and also consequences. I think if you want the "limelight", you should conduct yourself accordingly.
As I said, I do not post often, but read/check daily. This entire BHW situation really got to me and I thought I should voice my opinion as a very long time member since it was asked for. And...I sincerely hope I explained myself well without being mean. | |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | want2chase3 - 2018-11-13 1:34 PM
All they needed to do was issue an apology and say they do not condone that behavior.. the dad coming in and defending it, ruined any chance for this to be swept under the rug and forgotten in a few weeks. Now more and more bad things are coming out about her and her actions, things shes done or said in other situations.. her supposed sponsors are denying having anything to do with sponsoring her and also going as far as saying they'd never sponsor her in the future either. Its sad, yes ... I blame the parents 100% on this. Absolutely 100%
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Location: Northwest | Not to take away from this thread but could someone pm me as to who most of you are discussing? Totally missed what is going on. On a side note, unless people are viciously attacking others, I think most topics are fair game. | |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Unfortunately what we witnessed was the ugly of barrel racing or any sport......its just not barrel racing....we have spoiled children and even adults.......in all sports.....
As far as discussion ........shouldn't it be discussed or just continue to turn a blind eye which seems to be the case with this particular individual......
And then again .......probably nothing will come of any of this......except what we see here and other social media forums ....... | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | This is hitting a nerve today as so many people think there should be no consequences to their actions. Anything goes. That's why we have crooked politicians in office, rampant lying, fraud and just plain illegal activities from people who have no conscience. Their parents failed them or they are sociopaths or both. | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | This forum is full of people that I have and haven't met in real life but I consider friends. I come here for a variety of topics from people that I don't necessarily know but I feel like I know. There are VERY smart people here that I get input from on a variety of topics simply because they share a common interest of mine or because I know they were raised similar to me. The facebook groups can comment as much as they want on a post but I will always consult BHW BBs for recipes, parenting advice, minor medical advice, sensitive topics, barrel racing, healthcare of my horse, etc. I know everyone here has my family and horse's best interest at heart because I've read their responses on other threads. I've gotten PMs when I've fallen on hard times, I've gotten mail from BBs simply because their hearts are so big.
This forum is a family. Limiting it to Barrel racing would be like silencing the best informational source I have: I get so much out of this forum.
Freezing the thread was a good move. I think we can discuss parenting, attitudes, etc without making passes at the child or parents themselves that is hateful. However, I can't say I disagreed with anyone on the thread... It's what we were all thinking but you also have to remember: What is put on the internet can never be taken back. You can never unsay those words. I know if I was a child and I made a mistake I would hate to find that thread when I was vulnerable and 16 looking for advice and finding that instead... I would feel so crummy about my past... But that's not the point of this thread...
Dave, BHW is wonderful. It's moderated beautifully and runs smoothly. I agree and commend BHW for everything they do, have done and will do. I love this family we all have. The regulars, the grandfathers, the grandmothers, the mommas, daddies, and young adolescent teens. We may bicker and disagree and get our pantaloons in a knot every now and again but what family doesn't? I agree with Spencer, sometimes the dogs need to be called off, no matter if the blood is still there or not.  | |
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| My two cents, I love BHW has so many topics. I have learned so much from this forum over the years and love coming here for advice. Now that I have mastered the search tool, I do it regularly.
As far as the topic in question, I do believe that this is a public video that was made in a public setting. I personally, am thankful to have known the kind of stuff circulating out there. I have a niece who I have gotten into barrel racing. She is starting to get into social media, starting to follow certain "superstars/pros" and I want to make sure I know if things like this happen. My sister does monitor her activity but I don't know that she would know about this situation or think twice about her seeing some small child, dolled up with a cowboy hat on. I think all of us were a bit stunned. I've watched interviews and although never got a fluffy feeling, I never expected this.
All that said and possibly making my opinion bias, I do believe kids also need to be held accountable. Cyber bullying is a big issue and as a 911 dispatcher I am so sick of kids committing suicide from it. I think kids needs to know this isn't acceptable and there are repercussions. I know she is young and maturity obviously isn't there but I do believe she knows right from wrong. Kids are prosecuted at her age for heinous crimes and although its not the same ... the law believes a child knows the difference between right and wrong at her age. I do disagree though that they shouldn't be name calling... "spoiled" "brat" "entitled" are all opinions... even if we believe them to be true. We don't know whats going on at home. Keeping discussion to the facts. Expressing our own disappointment, frustration or the fact that WE are angry. We believe her sponsors should be notified. etc etc... but name calling I don't support. Its another form of bullying.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | OregonBR - 2018-11-14 3:28 PM
This is hitting a nerve today as so many people think there should be no consequences to their actions. Anything goes. That's why we have crooked politicians in office, rampant lying, fraud and just plain illegal activities from people who have no conscience. Their parents failed them or they are sociopaths or both.
Speaking of “consequences”.....on a lighter note I have a story to tell. My youngest daughter is a 24 yr old married RN, and I couldn’t be more proud. To this day we still chuckle at the mere mention of the word, “consequences”. Back when she was about 6 years old she had a tantrum when we were leaving Valley Fair, an amusement park. She went haywire and hit me in the back of the head with a plastic, long stem flower while I was driving. I calmly told her I was going to spank her for that stunt, once we got back to the hotel, so she would learn “the meaning of the word, consequences”. She became quiet and then reverted to her usual sweet self. I remained quiet throughout the 30 minute drive. She skipped alongside me as we walked through the lobby and up the elevator, but I could tell she was nervous. Once we got in the room, I sat down on the edge of the bed and she stood before me as I explained how she showed disrespect and now would suffer “consequences”. I turned her over my knee and gave her 3 good swats on the ass. She eventually healed from the abuse, and things were good.....for a few weeks.
Then one day at home in Fargo, she decided to have another tantrum because I didn’t let her go to a fair with a friend and her family, because we had plans. She kept pitching a fit, until I gave her that “look” and said in a firm voice “ELIZABETH!!!!” Her response:
“Oh please daddy, I’m sorry...please don’t give me a consequence”!
At that point I couldn’t help but laugh. I didn’t spank her, and she promptly accepted my ruling!
That was the only time I can recall ever spanking her, but I sure got a lot of mileage out of that it thrashing. Now it’s just a memory that evokes a lot of family laughter. | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Bear - 2018-11-14 4:06 PM OregonBR - 2018-11-14 3:28 PM This is hitting a nerve today as so many people think there should be no consequences to their actions. Anything goes. That's why we have crooked politicians in office, rampant lying, fraud and just plain illegal activities from people who have no conscience. Their parents failed them or they are sociopaths or both. Speaking of “consequences”.....on a lighter note I have a story to tell. My youngest daughter is a 24 yr old married RN, and I couldn’t be more proud. To this day we still chuckle at the mere mention of the word, “consequences”. Back when she was about 6 years old she had a tantrum when we were leaving Valley Fair, an amusement park. She went haywire and hit me in the back of the head with a plastic, long stem flower while I was driving. I calmly told her I was going to spank her for that stunt, once we got back to the hotel, so she would learn “the meaning of the word, consequences”. She became quiet and then reverted to her usual sweet self. I remained quiet throughout the 30 minute drive. She skipped alongside me as we walked through the lobby and up the elevator, but I could tell she was nervous. Once we got in the room, I sat down on the edge of the bed and she stood before me as I explained how she showed disrespect and now would suffer “consequences”. I turned her over my knee and gave her 3 good swats on the ass. She eventually healed from the abuse, and things were good.....for a few weeks. Then one day at home in Fargo, she decided to have another tantrum because I didn’t let her go to a fair with a friend and her family, because we had plans. She kept pitching a fit, until I gave her that “look” and said in a firm voice “ELIZABETH!!!!” Her response: “Oh please daddy, I’m sorry...please don’t give me a consequence”! At that point I couldn’t help but laugh. I didn’t spank her, and she promptly accepted my ruling! That was the only time I can recall ever spanking her, but I sure got a lot of mileage out of that it thrashing. Now it’s just a memory that evokes a lot of family laughter.
OT but in response to Bear's funny story: I did the same to my little one when she was about 2 and I've never had to spank her since. Given, she's only 3 but.. I calmly and quietly asked her if she knew why she was getting a "pop" and she told me the exact reason. And I told her afterward that I don't like giving pops and that it makes me sad when she is sad. She hugged me and apologized.
Now all I have to do is say: "Child, do I need to stop this truck and give that bottom of yours a pop?" And she instantly stops whatever she's doing and says: "Oh No ma'am. I can be good, watch me!"
Same child that told her teacher at school today that the room was "Awful frigid today" and when asked what frigid meant told her teacher: "well, It's extreme cold, you know that." and threw her hands up in the air. Brains AND sass... I'm in trouble... | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | My 38 year old son was a bit harder to break, like a young stud colt.
I think I had to resort to corporate punishment 3 times. Once was a swift slap across the cheek for mouthing off. Another time when he was about 15, he decided to play “big bull-little bull” with me and tried to bump me chest to chest during a heated disagreement while standing in the laundry room. I was startled by that move, but also very pis$ed off, but I quickly came to my senses. My reaction was something along the lines of “Oh..I see...tough guy, huh?” “You gonna get tough with me now, big fella?” He smirked and shrugged his shoulders, dismissively. I then grabbed him in a bear hug and threw him down to the mat, like a wrestling takedown. I let him up, and did it again, and said, “You best think twice before you try getting tough with me, big fella.....you’re grounded for two weeks, including hockey.” He never even remotely tried something like that again. The other, more humorous incident happened when he was about 8 and lied to me about hiding his sister’s tennis shoes, right before we were planning on leaving to go to the lake for the weekend. He, along with his older sister, and I turned the house inside out for about an hour, before I found the shoes under his pillow. He finally confessed about his stunt and admitted he lied.
I told him to march to the basement for a spanking (similar to Elizabeth’s punishment). I waited a while, just so he could agonize for a while, so as to get the most out of my spanking. Finally I went in the basement, took off my belt, grabbed him by the arm and gave him a couple good whacks.
After that, whenever he pushed me to the limit, every time I started to reach for my belt, he would say, “I’m sorry daddy...please don’t give me the ‘seat belt’!”
“Seat belt” had a very different meaning to my son!
Thankfully, I only had to spank all three of my kids a total of about 5 times, but I don’t regret it, and now we just laugh about it. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear - 2018-11-14 5:06 PM My 38 year old son was a bit harder to break, like a young stud colt. I think I had to resort to corporate punishment 3 times. Once was a swift slap across the cheek for mouthing off. Another time when he was about 15, he decided to play “big bull-little bull” with me and tried to bump me chest to chest during a heated disagreement while standing in the laundry room. I was startled by that move, but also very pis$ed off, but I quickly came to my senses. My reaction was something along the lines of “Oh..I see...tough guy, huh?” “You gonna get tough with me now, big fella?” He smirked and shrugged his shoulders, dismissively. I then grabbed him in a bear hug and threw him down to the mat, like a wrestling takedown. I let him up, and did it again, and said, “You best think twice before you try getting tough with me, big fella.....you’re grounded for two weeks, including hockey.” He never even remotely tried something like that again. The other, more humorous incident happened when he was about 8 and lied to me about hiding his sister’s tennis shoes, right before we were planning on leaving to go to the lake for the weekend. He, along with his older sister, and I turned the house inside out for about an hour, before I found the shoes under his pillow. He finally confessed about his stunt and admitted he lied. I told him to march to the basement for a spanking (similar to Elizabeth’s punishment). I waited a while, just so he could agonize for a while, so as to get the most out of my spanking. Finally I went in the basement, took off my belt, grabbed him by the arm and gave him a couple good whacks. After that, whenever he pushed me to the limit, every time I started to reach for my belt, he would say, “I’m sorry daddy...please don’t give me the ‘seat belt’!” “Seat belt” had a very different meaning to my son! Thankfully, I only had to spank all three of my kids a total of about 5 times, but I don’t regret it, and now we just laugh about it.
I do believe we all as parents have cute storys about our kido's that were misbehaving and got their little hinnys in trouble a time or two, lol, I sure can remember those times, it only took one time of getting their behinds taned that they understood THE LOOK they got when they thought they were being cute and thought maybe they could get away with something they were not suppose to be doing at the time. THE LOOK sure can go a long ways when needed..  | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | That 11 year old girl knew what she was doing was wrong you could tell it at the very beginning of her video she kept looking to make sure no body was watching her or going to walk in on her, she knew it was all wrong but she made that video anyway, I dont feel sorry for her one bit..There was no excuse for it and her daddy should not be making any excuses for this type of behavioral, he just gave her the OK that this is OK.. | |
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Location: B-F-E | 07milch - 2018-11-14 3:17 PM
Not to take away from this thread but could someone pm me as to who most of you are discussing? Totally missed what is going on. On a side note, unless people are viciously attacking others, I think most topics are fair game.
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Location: N Texas | partygirlbsu007 - 2018-11-14 11:47 PM
07milch - 2018-11-14 3:17 PM
Not to take away from this thread but could someone pm me as to who most of you are discussing? Totally missed what is going on. On a side note, unless people are viciously attacking others, I think most topics are fair game.
Could you let me know too? I'm totally clueless as well...
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
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| Through many years BHW has survived because of it's community. And the community is made up of families.
I think Hillary, (and others) would like to think the community replaces the family.
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| I thought about this yesterday alot. I actually saw the video and I showed a minute of it to my two daughters (ages 14 and 10). Before showing them a brief clip I said "this is why I always say "no emotions" until you get to the trailer. This is why I say "I don't care if you've been bucked, kicked, or stomped on" you do not ever act bad in public. My girls are in the public quite a bit here locally and that kind of behavior is not acceptable in my eyes.
That being said I don't think this girls family cares about that aspect of things. I doubt things will change for her. That being said I wish there was a way to take her for a summer, take away her electronic gadgets and make her scoop poop, work cattle, combine corn, and train her own horse. I really think hard work does a world of good for children.
I find it encouraging that on this forum there are many others that feel the same way I do. I think it's hard though because sometimes comments are taken out of context when we type things and that is probably why the thread was frozen. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | I didn't have time to reply yesterday either. I think that the "mods" do a pretty good job of reining in the "bad & ugly" of the "good, bad and ugly" that a person can get when they come to BHW and post controversial statements. I also agree that if the subject is all over the internet with the names, it should not be "off-limits". It seems like various subjects can bring out the worst in some who derail a discussion with name calling and derogatory remarks to each other.....but overall, I think we all care about each other and want to help, educate, or sympathize with the friends that we have made here.
Regarding the young lady and her abhorrent behavior, I have read through LOTS of posts on FB and would say that the majority of the posts are TO and ABOUT the actions of the PARENTS and not to the child. Her behavior can be laid at the feet of her parents!
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | That hot mess needed called out. If said minor’s parents don’t want her discussed publicly then don’t let her on social media. She’s not mature enough to handle using it correctly or dealing with fallout from a mistake. Neither are my kids around her age (10 and 13). It’s why I don’t allow them access to that stuff. The fact that dad defended her behavior is telling tho. Apology and discipline would have been more appropriate. And yep, I’m totally judging. It’s called discernment. | |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | Three 4 Luck - 2018-11-15 10:18 AM That hot mess needed called out. If said minor’s parents don’t want her discussed publicly then don’t let her on social media. She’s not mature enough to handle using it correctly or dealing with fallout from a mistake. Neither are my kids around her age (10 and 13). It’s why I don’t allow them access to that stuff. The fact that dad defended her behavior is telling tho. Apology and discipline would have been more appropriate. And yep, I’m totally judging. It’s called discernment.
AMEN! My parents loved me through every stupid thing I ever did or said, but they d@m sure called me out on it and I paid for it whether extra chores or my rear end... it's what parents do... but allowing, condoning and encouraging this... gets you alot of attention in the end... | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I think cheapskates who don’t buy an ad and attempt to be clever by promoting their products in a thread are supposedly off limits, aren’t they? | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | I think anytime it's someone well known they are going to draw alot of attention so when something comes out naturally everyone is going to want to discuss it. Alot of people put winners in the arena on pedestals so when they are found out to be shady or dysfunctional of course it's going to be big news. I think it's good to be able to discuss things and often times helpful information. Is it hearsay or fact? As far as the arena hoodrat goes, she put herself out there and posted the videos all on her own. If your going to flaunt your classless dysfunction in front of the world, then expect the world to react. Kind of like Avanetti. His getting arrested or his shady financial woes wouldn't be news at all if he wasn't a household name. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | A ditto on trying to sneak in selling products,tack on BHW talk fourm.. There is a For Sale area to go to, but the cheapo's are to cheap to buy a ad and some new BB's dont know its against the rules, but if you are on here for over 6 months then you should know better..  | |
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Location: Missouri | Three 4 Luck - 2018-11-15 10:18 AM
That hot mess needed called out. If said minor’s parents don’t want her discussed publicly then don’t let her on social media. She’s not mature enough to handle using it correctly or dealing with fallout from a mistake. Neither are my kids around her age (10 and 13). It’s why I don’t allow them access to that stuff. The fact that dad defended her behavior is telling tho. Apology and discipline would have been more appropriate. And yep, I’m totally judging. It’s called discernment.
Agree with you, Three 4 Luck.
I realize I'm mostly just a lurker here. (As evidenced by the fact that I barely have 700 posts in severl years.....lol). But I genuinely enjoy this forum. I don't hang around on most online forums long because they become truly hateful/sptiful/mean and I'm not interested in reading anymore. Not here. Sure, I've seen disagreements, especially when politics are involved, but I've yet to see something completely out of hand....the moderators do a good job.
If the thread was frozen the other day because we were just beating a dead horse (like someone else mentioned earlier), I can totally see that. The discussion really wasn't productive anymore. But I do think that issue discussed needed to be brought to light because it casts a really negative light on the industry. Had the parents not defended her, I'd say we needed to let it be. But they did, and they allowed her to post publicly for all to see, and there are consequences to that.
Had we been attacking the child, I'd say that's a no go. But from what I remember, most comments were going after the parents for failing the child.
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New to the forum but the political stuff needs to go. Way too much far right conspiracy theory lunatic fringe egregious material. The topics related to barrel racing are informative and great fun to read.
If you don’t like a topic, then don’t read or post in it. Simple as that. Doesn’t mean the political stuff has to go. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2018-12-01 9:20 PM Mecon - 2018-12-01 7:02 PM New to the forum but the political stuff needs to go. Way too much far right conspiracy theory lunatic fringe egregious material. The topics related to barrel racing are informative and great fun to read. If you don’t like a topic, then don’t read or post in it. Simple as that. Doesn’t mean the political stuff has to go.
Big fat DITTO , that's what I told he/she/shem on another thread, if you dont like a topic then move on to another one that suites you. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing.
I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better.
Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason.
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Location: Missouri | Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-01 9:24 PM
FLITASTIC - 2018-12-01 9:20 PM Mecon - 2018-12-01 7:02 PM New to the forum but the political stuff needs to go. Way too much far right conspiracy theory lunatic fringe egregious material. The topics related to barrel racing are informative and great fun to read. If you don’t like a topic, then don’t read or post in it. Simple as that. Doesn’t mean the political stuff has to go.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | jbhoot - 2018-12-02 8:49 AM Name calling has been a long standing off limit. I can think of one who's post's are dripping with name calling and needs to be put in a time out.
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| 1DSoon - 2018-12-02 2:11 PM
jbhoot - 2018-12-02 8:49 AM Name calling has been a long standing off limit. I can think of one who's post's are dripping with name calling and needs to be put in a time out.
who do you want in Timeout?
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FLITASTIC - 2018-12-01 9:20 PM Mecon - 2018-12-01 7:02 PM New to the forum but the political stuff needs to go. Way too much far right conspiracy theory lunatic fringe egregious material. The topics related to barrel racing are informative and great fun to read. If you don’t like a topic, then don’t read or post in it. Simple as that. Doesn’t mean the political stuff has to go.
Oh, it’s not that I don’t enjoy the political repartee, it’s great fun, hilarious actually. But in my view a horse forum is better served with topics about horses, less divisive, productive of better, more positive states of mind. That’s part of what horses do for us. | |
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Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing.
I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better.
Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason.
You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in opposition to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander....
Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you? | |
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Location: Arkansas | Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM
Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing.
I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better.
Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason.
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Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM
Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing.
I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better.
Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason.
You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander....
Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you?
But I fail to mention: my view on 1.) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2.) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship.
3.) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement.
4.) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry.
I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | 1.) Our deficit is too high, but to say it is higher than ever is a lie. The first 4 years under Obama exceeded $1 Trillion. Obama topped out with a record high of nearly $1.5 Trillion. The total national debt nearly doubled during the Obama administration. In reality, presidents have little say with the budget. Congress establishes that, and from 2007-2011, both houses were under Democrat control. Excessive spending is a bipartisan issue. You need to understand better the roles of the three branches of our federal government, but please do yourself a favor.....do not use Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as your source of information.
2.) The bottom 50% of earners in this country pay essentially zero federal income taxes. The top 10% of earners pay over 90%.
The tax cuts have barely even taken effect. Lowering corporate rates while cutting loopholes has been a good move toward repatriation of about $2 Trillion in offshore corporate capital.
We need tax reform. Even CPAs do not fully understand our monstrosity called the federal tax code, which is over 170,000 pages long.
3.) Social security is a rip-off. People pay into it their entire lives and get a fraction of what they should be earning. No it should not be called an entitlement. It should be owned by those who contribute and those dollars should be put to work. If you die before 62 and have no dependents your social security savings is confiscated, rather, the IOU is torn up by the government who has been entrusted with our savings. We should be getting 2-3X what we are getting when we retire, especially when 12.4% of what we earned is confiscated from us and our employers throughout our working years. SS needs to be reformed.
4.) Define “rational gun control”..... you mean banning those evil AR-15’s? Be specific.
Just so you understand, I do not belong to a political party, and I am not a member of the NRA, although I’m glad we have an NRA.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2018-12-02 7:41 PM
Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM
Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing.
I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better.
Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason.
Really seems to have become "active" in some horse threads in the past couple of days. . . .
Just as I predicted.
She won’t reveal her name or where she’s from. Why?
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | As to “sanctuary cities”, the “brutal lawless” ICE, and the wall. I agree with what Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, and Barack Obama said about our illegal immigration problem just a few years ago. It’s all captured on video. This of course changed, when the hypocritical bastards decided the problem could be railroaded for the purposes of political expedience, and VOTES,..... thus dooming any chances for a solution.
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Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing.
I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better.
Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason.
You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander....
Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you?
But I fail to mention: my view on 1. ) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2. ) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship.
3. ) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement.
4. ) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry.
I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally.
So I take it you will be waiting at the Tiajuana border to aid and assist the caravan when if/when they are allowed in? How many of those folks are you willing to keep at your OWN house and support until they can get back on their feet? How many spare bedrooms do you have? | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2018-12-03 9:00 AM Mecon - 2018-12-02 6:15 PM Mecon - 2018-12-02 7:33 PM Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing. I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better. Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason. You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander.... Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you? But I fail to mention: my view on 1. ) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2. ) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship. 3. ) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement. 4. ) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry. I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally. So I take it you will be waiting at the Tiajuana border to aid and assist the caravan when if/when they are allowed in? How many of those folks are you willing to keep at your OWN house and support until they can get back on their feet? How many spare bedrooms do you have?
I already offered to take he/she/shem's information to our Texas border so I could pass it on for all the illegals to check and I know that they would take him/she/shem up on the offer, but no answer. I bet this person talks alot and just wont shut up when talking in person, sounds like a meme or its all about me.. | |
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Although I am a conservative I believe the idea's of opposition should be aired without the opposition being attacked. This goes for both sides of the spectrum and must apply to BHW as well.
And just because someone calls a name does not mean we must name call in return. Please do not take what was a good conversation and turn it into another political debate. With that said...
I think the immigrations policies are ludicrous. True case - my daughter is an attorney ( she is a Conservative also) and is trying in vain to help an illegal who is a productive member of society become a citizen. There is literally no pathway for her to become a citizen. This women is a hardworking person ( cleans houses ) that wants desperately to become an American. So what should she do? She has a life here - should return to life of poverty in Mexico? These are real situations and neither party has solutuions.
I do not believe anyone should be allowed to come into the United States unlawfully but he fact is there are millions here. We cannot ignore that fact. I don't know what the solution is.
It is a privledge to live in United States.  Those migrants storming the gates at the border are engaging in illegal behavior. Our freedoms have been won by the tremendous sacrifice and blood shed to keep America safe. It is not a right it is a privledge.
A solution between counries for the sheltering of those seeking asylum must happen. American cannot bear the burden alone. And we as Americans should never lose our compassion for those who need shelter from persecution.
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Location: Missouri | Bear - 2018-12-03 6:55 AM
1.) Our deficit is too high, but to say it is higher than ever is a lie. The first 4 years under Obama exceeded $1 Trillion. Obama topped out with a record high of nearly $1.5 Trillion. The total national debt nearly doubled during the Obama administration. In reality, presidents have little say with the budget. Congress establishes that, and from 2007-2011, both houses were under Democrat control. Excessive spending is a bipartisan issue. You need to understand better the roles of the three branches of our federal government, but please do yourself a favor.....do not use Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as your source of information.
2.) The bottom 50% of earners in this country pay essentially zero federal income taxes. The top 10% of earners pay over 90%.
The tax cuts have barely even taken effect. Lowering corporate rates while cutting loopholes has been a good move toward repatriation of about $2 Trillion in offshore corporate capital.
We need tax reform. Even CPAs do not fully understand our monstrosity called the federal tax code, which is over 170,000 pages long.
3.) Social security is a rip-off. People pay into it their entire lives and get a fraction of what they should be earning. No it should not be called an entitlement. It should be owned by those who contribute and those dollars should be put to work. If you die before 62 and have no dependents your social security savings is confiscated, rather, the IOU is torn up by the government who has been entrusted with our savings. We should be getting 2-3X what we are getting when we retire, especially when 12.4% of what we earned is confiscated from us and our employers throughout our working years. SS needs to be reformed.
4.) Define “rational gun control”..... you mean banning those evil AR-15’s? Be specific.
Just so you understand, I do not belong to a political party, and I am not a member of the NRA, although I’m glad we have an NRA.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Gail you are right, I have lived on the Border most of my life in the Rio Granda Valley { McAllen, Texas } and know and knew illegals and some that still live in Reynosa Mexico that come over for work, back in the day a man that we know and worked on the family Dairy instead of waiting to cross over at the bridge he would just float over on his inter tube and worked the weekends, to old now so he stays home, my father in law tryed his darnest back in the day to get him legal, but never happened but he did have his greencard to be able to work certain days at the dairy, he did it right but still did things the old way like floating the river when he was younger but as he got older he took the bridge.. We had a few women that would come over to clean houses, they were good ladys but never became a legal American. So there is good ones that try and do it the right way but then we have all the Coyotes that smuggle groups and now this carvan that want to be here where they can improve their lives but they need to do it the right way not rushing the border..
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Location: Kansas | lilpeppy - 2018-12-03 10:40 AM I have learned so much from this site over the years, about everything. Please don't change anything.
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| Mecon - 2018-12-01 9:02 PM New to the forum but the political stuff needs to go. Way too much far right conspiracy theory lunatic fringe egregious material. The topics related to barrel racing are informative and great fun to read.
So at BHW we discuss everything. If a certain topic isn't of interest move on to the next. The comment made about "hot lead" was not within the guidelines of our forums and removed. And even if that comment was made it jest it was wrong.
Freedom of speech is "political" and costly. Thousands have shed their blood so that America and other countries can enjoy freedom including the freedom to discuss whatever we wish therefore we will continue to allow political threads. But the rules apply to all threads, horse related or not. There is a report to mod button which will allow you object if rules are being broken.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Mighty Broke - 2018-12-03 11:37 AM
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| Mecon - 2018-12-02 9:15 PM Mecon - 2018-12-02 7:33 PM Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing. I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better. Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason. You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander.... Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you? But I fail to mention: my view on 1. ) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2. ) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship. 3. ) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement. 4. ) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry. I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally.
first off these policy were put in place by clinton bush obama trump is inforcing them sancuary city were in place long before trump have you been to calif lately southern ca looks like a 3rd world country not like it did when i was thereand lived in the 70 san fran is conside a bio hazard when i was there it was a jewel
the illegal migrants juding by what is being written by new times are lawless and obama used tear gass also
as far as taxes go i would love to se a flat tax
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| Scott, I agree with so much that you say, BUT disagreement is allowed and name calling is discouraged. ( I saw your "Troll" comment.) Also, I like non-horse topics and think we should keep them. I want to know what my horse community thinks - about everything. It makes this life, and this board, so much more interesting.
SO, don't terrify everyone you don't agree with in your posts - using your superior intellect and supportive logic. Most don't stand a chance with you. We won't have any one left to argue with! I want to encourage AND respect ALL viewpoints. And I hope everyone else feels the same. If what someone says on here disgusts you, report it and move to another topic. We will not let trolls and gremlins take over our board, or stifle our differences either!
Merry Christmas, BTW.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | DaveM - 2018-12-03 3:01 PM
Scott, I agree with so much that you say, BUT disagreement is allowed and name calling is discouraged. ( I saw your "Troll" comment.) Also, I like non-horse topics and think we should keep them. I want to know what my horse community thinks - about everything. It makes this life, and this board, so much more interesting.
SO, don't terrify everyone you don't agree with in your posts - using your superior intellect and supportive logic. Most don't stand a chance with you. We won't have any one left to argue with! I want to encourage AND respect ALL viewpoints. And I hope everyone else feels the same. If what someone says on here disgusts you, report it and move to another topic. We will not let trolls and gremlins take over our board, or stifle our differences either!
Merry Christmas, BTW.
Fee free to disagree with me. Peace
Fair enough. I won’t call anyone a troll anymore. People will draw their own conclusions, regardless of any labels. I apologize for terrifying people so much! LOL | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear - 2018-12-03 3:41 PM DaveM - 2018-12-03 3:01 PM Scott, I agree with so much that you say, BUT disagreement is allowed and name calling is discouraged. ( I saw your "Troll" comment.) Also, I like non-horse topics and think we should keep them. I want to know what my horse community thinks - about everything. It makes this life, and this board, so much more interesting.
SO, don't terrify everyone you don't agree with in your posts - using your superior intellect and supportive logic. Most don't stand a chance with you. We won't have any one left to argue with! I want to encourage AND respect ALL viewpoints. And I hope everyone else feels the same. If what someone says on here disgusts you, report it and move to another topic. We will not let trolls and gremlins take over our board, or stifle our differences either!
Merry Christmas, BTW.
Fee free to disagree with me. Peace Fair enough. I won’t call anyone a troll anymore. People will draw their own conclusions, regardless of any labels. I apologize for terrifying people so much! LOL
But I love BHW and dont want anything to change, all the different topics is what makes this world go round or BHW..
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Location: Arkansas | DaveM - 2018-12-03 3:01 PM
Scott, I agree with so much that you say, BUT disagreement is allowed and name calling is discouraged. ( I saw your "Troll" comment.) Also, I like non-horse topics and think we should keep them. I want to know what my horse community thinks - about everything. It makes this life, and this board, so much more interesting.
SO, don't terrify everyone you don't agree with in your posts - using your superior intellect and supportive logic. Most don't stand a chance with you. We won't have any one left to argue with! I want to encourage AND respect ALL viewpoints. And I hope everyone else feels the same. If what someone says on here disgusts you, report it and move to another topic. We will not let trolls and gremlins take over our board, or stifle our differences either!
Merry Christmas, BTW.
Fee free to disagree with me. Peace
Thanks to you and Miss Gail for this site and letting us have our say, and only stepping in when absolutely necessary. And I agree, Bear scares me too | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2018-12-03 7:31 PM DaveM - 2018-12-03 3:01 PM Scott, I agree with so much that you say, BUT disagreement is allowed and name calling is discouraged. ( I saw your "Troll" comment.) Also, I like non-horse topics and think we should keep them. I want to know what my horse community thinks - about everything. It makes this life, and this board, so much more interesting.
SO, don't terrify everyone you don't agree with in your posts - using your superior intellect and supportive logic. Most don't stand a chance with you. We won't have any one left to argue with! I want to encourage AND respect ALL viewpoints. And I hope everyone else feels the same. If what someone says on here disgusts you, report it and move to another topic. We will not let trolls and gremlins take over our board, or stifle our differences either!
Merry Christmas, BTW.
Fee free to disagree with me. Peace
Thanks to you and Miss Gail for this site and letting us have our say, and only stepping in when absolutely necessary. And I agree, Bear scares me too
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1. This is a PUBLIC board – it is hard (next to impossible) to control someone else’s thought and opinions.
2. If you (“general” plural use of the word ”you”) post a question, opinion, or controversial statement, perhaps, you should not be surprised if it does illicit comments that fall into the Good, Bad, or Ugly category. (Refer to #1)
3. If you feel that you are not able to process or ignore the “Bad or Ugly” comments, perhaps you should refrain from commenting until you feel more confident.
4. If, at any given time, you do feel the “need” to resort to personal attacks or name calling, perhaps, you should look in the mirror to ensure that you have NEVER been guilty of the same sin (i.e. Those who live in glass houses, should not throw stones OR Judge not lest YOU be judged).
5. If, at any given time, you STILL feel the “need” to attack or call names, perhaps, you should not be surprised if the person you attack jumps in your “Rose Garden” and stomps all over your pretty flowers!
6. If, at any given time, you DO feel your “panties (shorts or whitey-tightys) in a wad”, perhaps you should step away from the computer and change your underwear.
7. If, at any given time, you feel the “need” to tell someone what they should or should not, what they can or can not post, or where they should “go”, perhaps, you need to check your name tag to see if it reads “owner” or “mod” of BHW.
8. If, at any given time, you feel the “need” to “fabricate” a story or your life history, please be assured that there are many sleuths and detectives on BHW who will “ferret out” the TRUTH. So try not to be “offended”.
9. If you are a "right fighter" (one who will fight to the death to prove you, and you alone, are RIGHT), perhaps, you may want to schedule your appointment with Dr. Phil soon!
PS..............my appointment is Friday at 4 PM........
10. If your thread goes “south”, don’t whine and cry to the “mods”. Walk away, with dignity, with lesson learned….Refer to Rule # 1
11. When all else fails………………ALWAYS Refer to Rule #1
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | So much time and energy being wasted on fighting over open borders vs LEGAL immigration! This could be solved by streamlining the immigration process. It shouldn't be that hard or take that long to process people. Either they are good people and should be let in or they have nothing to offer us. If there was some co-operation in congress this could get done. President Trump expressed willingness time after time to work out a compromise. But it seems like the dems don't want to appear to be reasonable. THAT'S the problem.
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Location: Kansas | NJJ - 2018-12-04 8:46 AM I post this every year or two ..... LOL 1. This is a PUBLIC board – it is hard (next to impossible) to control someone else’s thought and opinions.
2. If you (“general” plural use of the word ”you”) post a question, opinion, or controversial statement, perhaps, you should not be surprised if it does illicit comments that fall into the Good, Bad, or Ugly category. (Refer to #1)
3. If you feel that you are not able to process or ignore the “Bad or Ugly” comments, perhaps you should refrain from commenting until you feel more confident.
4. If, at any given time, you do feel the “need” to resort to personal attacks or name calling, perhaps, you should look in the mirror to ensure that you have NEVER been guilty of the same sin (i.e. Those who live in glass houses, should not throw stones OR Judge not lest YOU be judged).
5. If, at any given time, you STILL feel the “need” to attack or call names, perhaps, you should not be surprised if the person you attack jumps in your “Rose Garden” and stomps all over your pretty flowers!
6. If, at any given time, you DO feel your “panties (shorts or whitey-tightys) in a wad”, perhaps you should step away from the computer and change your underwear.
7. If, at any given time, you feel the “need” to tell someone what they should or should not, what they can or can not post, or where they should “go”, perhaps, you need to check your name tag to see if it reads “owner” or “mod” of BHW. 8. If, at any given time, you feel the “need” to “fabricate” a story or your life history, please be assured that there are many sleuths and detectives on BHW who will “ferret out” the TRUTH. So try not to be “offended”.
9. If you are a "right fighter" (one who will fight to the death to prove you, and you alone, are RIGHT), perhaps, you may want to schedule your appointment with Dr. Phil soon!
PS..............my appointment is Friday at 4 PM........ 10. If your thread goes “south”, don’t whine and cry to the “mods”. Walk away, with dignity, with lesson learned….Refer to Rule # 1 11. When all else fails………………ALWAYS Refer to Rule #1
I type this all in “tongue in cheek” BUT if it offends you, you are probably guilty of one or more of the above………
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Location: CTX | Tbred - 2018-12-04 11:34 AM Why can't we just go back to the days when no matter what the topic of the post was, it ended up with drinking, a ride on the short bus and sexual innuendo's?
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Location: OH | Tbred - 2018-12-04 12:34 PM Why can't we just go back to the days when no matter what the topic of the post was, it ended up with drinking, a ride on the short bus and sexual innuendo's?
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I just dont understand why the post of illegal immigrants carvan is gone, I think it should be up because there is just so much truth to it, just delete a few posts that got out of hand but not the whole thread.. The Illegals are a big problem we have here on our borders and the problem is that alot of folks just turn and look the other way thinking its not a problem BUT it is.. WE do NOT need open borders and that border is there for a good reason, but some do not think that way, we need to keep our America, too many have died keeping America the way it is..
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Location: Kansas | Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-04 11:45 AM I just dont understand why the post of illegal immigrants carvan is gone, I think it should be up because there is just so much truth to it, just delete a few posts that got out of hand but not the whole thread.. The Illegals are a big problem we have here on our borders and the problem is that alot of folks just turn and look the other way thinking its not a problem BUT it is.. WE do NOT need open borders and that border is there for a good reason, but some do not think that way, we need to keep our America, too many have died keeping America the way it is..
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Frodo - 2018-12-04 11:09 AM NJJ - 2018-12-04 8:46 AM I post this every year or two ..... LOL
1. This is a PUBLIC board – it is hard (next to impossible) to control someone else’s thought and opinions.
2. If you (“general” plural use of the word ”you”) post a question, opinion, or controversial statement, perhaps, you should not be surprised if it does illicit comments that fall into the Good, Bad, or Ugly category. (Refer to #1)
3. If you feel that you are not able to process or ignore the “Bad or Ugly” comments, perhaps you should refrain from commenting until you feel more confident.
4. If, at any given time, you do feel the “need” to resort to personal attacks or name calling, perhaps, you should look in the mirror to ensure that you have NEVER been guilty of the same sin (i.e. Those who live in glass houses, should not throw stones OR Judge not lest YOU be judged).
5. If, at any given time, you STILL feel the “need” to attack or call names, perhaps, you should not be surprised if the person you attack jumps in your “Rose Garden” and stomps all over your pretty flowers!
6. If, at any given time, you DO feel your “panties (shorts or whitey-tightys) in a wad”, perhaps you should step away from the computer and change your underwear.
7. If, at any given time, you feel the “need” to tell someone what they should or should not, what they can or can not post, or where they should “go”, perhaps, you need to check your name tag to see if it reads “owner” or “mod” of BHW.
8. If, at any given time, you feel the “need” to “fabricate” a story or your life history, please be assured that there are many sleuths and detectives on BHW who will “ferret out” the TRUTH. So try not to be “offended”.
9. If you are a "right fighter" (one who will fight to the death to prove you, and you alone, are RIGHT), perhaps, you may want to schedule your appointment with Dr. Phil soon!
PS..............my appointment is Friday at 4 PM........
10. If your thread goes “south”, don’t whine and cry to the “mods”. Walk away, with dignity, with lesson learned….Refer to Rule # 1
11. When all else fails………………ALWAYS Refer to Rule #1
I type this all in “tongue in cheek” BUT if it offends you, you are probably guilty of one or more of the above………
...and long. We are adults whether you think so or not.
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | I have just been ban from Facebook for 3 days because I posted a joke about Michael Cohen. It got someones panties in a wad! You know the TV show Cops. It starts with a song Bad boys Bad boys what ya going to do when they come for you....... Well I changed it to: "Bad Jew Bad Jew what you going to do when they come for you? Michael Cohen gives Jews a bad name."
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-04 12:24 PM I think that the discussions should be open but people use common sense and if they can't then the Mods step in.
No Lords name in Vain.
No Swearing.
Don't attack people personally.
I liked the idea of a persons real name being added to the (Chat name). People won't be so brazen if it were.
People can dicuss stuff, agree or disagree but be kind to one another!!
^^^^ I know quite a few that wouldn't be so hateful IF their true identity was known ...... LOL | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2018-12-04 12:37 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-04 12:24 PM I think that the discussions should be open but people use common sense and if they can't then the Mods step in.
No Lords name in Vain.
No Swearing.
Don't attack people personally.
I liked the idea of a persons real name being added to the (Chat name). People won't be so brazen if it were.
People can dicuss stuff, agree or disagree but be kind to one another!!
^^^^ I know quite a few that wouldn't be so hateful IF their true identity was known ...... LOL
I think thats a really good ideal on the persons real name added to their board name, sure would cut out the trouble makers, its seems that ones that are trouble makers love hiding behind a screen | |
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Location: OH | CowgirlLindz - 2018-12-04 3:28 PM Just wondering.... I don't know what is done....but could said person be banned for a number of years from participating with some organizations? Like a hockey player etc?
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CowgirlLindz - 2018-12-04 3:28 PM Just wondering.... I don't know what is done....but could said person be banned for a number of years from participating with some organizations? Like a hockey player etc?
There has been several people banned off of here over the years but they generally come back under another alias.
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Mighty Broke - 2018-12-04 2:30 PM
CowgirlLindz - 2018-12-04 3:28 PM Just wondering.... I don't know what is done....but could said person be banned for a number of years from participating with some organizations? Like a hockey player etc?
There has been several people banned off of here over the years but they generally come back under another alias.
Creating another alias for the purpose of starting crap? Good gravy.... I wish I had that kind of time.
Oh .... good to know but I was trying to ask I guess if a professional barrel racer could be banned from competitions, organizations etc for a certain period of time like a pro sports star
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2018-12-04 8:46 AM
I post this every year or two ..... LOL 1. This is a PUBLIC board – it is hard (next to impossible) to control someone else’s thought and opinions.
2. If you (“general” plural use of the word ”you”) post a question, opinion, or controversial statement, perhaps, you should not be surprised if it does illicit comments that fall into the Good, Bad, or Ugly category. (Refer to #1)
3. If you feel that you are not able to process or ignore the “Bad or Ugly” comments, perhaps you should refrain from commenting until you feel more confident.
4. If, at any given time, you do feel the “need” to resort to personal attacks or name calling, perhaps, you should look in the mirror to ensure that you have NEVER been guilty of the same sin (i.e. Those who live in glass houses, should not throw stones OR Judge not lest YOU be judged).
5. If, at any given time, you STILL feel the “need” to attack or call names, perhaps, you should not be surprised if the person you attack jumps in your “Rose Garden” and stomps all over your pretty flowers!
6. If, at any given time, you DO feel your “panties (shorts or whitey-tightys) in a wad”, perhaps you should step away from the computer and change your underwear.
7. If, at any given time, you feel the “need” to tell someone what they should or should not, what they can or can not post, or where they should “go”, perhaps, you need to check your name tag to see if it reads “owner” or “mod” of BHW. 8. If, at any given time, you feel the “need” to “fabricate” a story or your life history, please be assured that there are many sleuths and detectives on BHW who will “ferret out” the TRUTH. So try not to be “offended”.
9. If you are a "right fighter" (one who will fight to the death to prove you, and you alone, are RIGHT), perhaps, you may want to schedule your appointment with Dr. Phil soon!
PS..............my appointment is Friday at 4 PM........ 10. If your thread goes “south”, don’t whine and cry to the “mods”. Walk away, with dignity, with lesson learned….Refer to Rule # 1 11. When all else fails………………ALWAYS Refer to Rule #1
I type this all in “tongue in cheek” BUT if it offends you, you are probably guilty of one or more of the above………
Norma, you’re kidding, right?
You actually write things like this and save them for future use?
So do you have a collection of things like this you pull out from time to time?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2018-12-04 3:13 PM NJJ - 2018-12-04 8:46 AM I post this every year or two ..... LOL
1. This is a PUBLIC board – it is hard (next to impossible) to control someone else’s thought and opinions.
2. If you (“general” plural use of the word ”you”) post a question, opinion, or controversial statement, perhaps, you should not be surprised if it does illicit comments that fall into the Good, Bad, or Ugly category. (Refer to #1)
3. If you feel that you are not able to process or ignore the “Bad or Ugly” comments, perhaps you should refrain from commenting until you feel more confident.
4. If, at any given time, you do feel the “need” to resort to personal attacks or name calling, perhaps, you should look in the mirror to ensure that you have NEVER been guilty of the same sin (i.e. Those who live in glass houses, should not throw stones OR Judge not lest YOU be judged).
5. If, at any given time, you STILL feel the “need” to attack or call names, perhaps, you should not be surprised if the person you attack jumps in your “Rose Garden” and stomps all over your pretty flowers!
6. If, at any given time, you DO feel your “panties (shorts or whitey-tightys) in a wad”, perhaps you should step away from the computer and change your underwear.
7. If, at any given time, you feel the “need” to tell someone what they should or should not, what they can or can not post, or where they should “go”, perhaps, you need to check your name tag to see if it reads “owner” or “mod” of BHW.
8. If, at any given time, you feel the “need” to “fabricate” a story or your life history, please be assured that there are many sleuths and detectives on BHW who will “ferret out” the TRUTH. So try not to be “offended”.
9. If you are a "right fighter" (one who will fight to the death to prove you, and you alone, are RIGHT), perhaps, you may want to schedule your appointment with Dr. Phil soon!
PS..............my appointment is Friday at 4 PM........
10. If your thread goes “south”, don’t whine and cry to the “mods”. Walk away, with dignity, with lesson learned….Refer to Rule # 1
11. When all else fails………………ALWAYS Refer to Rule #1
I type this all in “tongue in cheek” BUT if it offends you, you are probably guilty of one or more of the above……… Norma, you’re kidding, right? You actually write things like this and save them for future use? So do you have a collection of things like this you pull out from time to time? We need to talk.
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Location: Kansas | Bear - 2018-12-04 3:13 PM
NJJ - 2018-12-04 8:46 AM
I post this every year or two ..... LOL 1. This is a PUBLIC board – it is hard (next to impossible) to control someone else’s thought and opinions.
2. If you (“general” plural use of the word ”you”) post a question, opinion, or controversial statement, perhaps, you should not be surprised if it does illicit comments that fall into the Good, Bad, or Ugly category. (Refer to #1)
3. If you feel that you are not able to process or ignore the “Bad or Ugly” comments, perhaps you should refrain from commenting until you feel more confident.
4. If, at any given time, you do feel the “need” to resort to personal attacks or name calling, perhaps, you should look in the mirror to ensure that you have NEVER been guilty of the same sin (i.e. Those who live in glass houses, should not throw stones OR Judge not lest YOU be judged).
5. If, at any given time, you STILL feel the “need” to attack or call names, perhaps, you should not be surprised if the person you attack jumps in your “Rose Garden” and stomps all over your pretty flowers!
6. If, at any given time, you DO feel your “panties (shorts or whitey-tightys) in a wad”, perhaps you should step away from the computer and change your underwear.
7. If, at any given time, you feel the “need” to tell someone what they should or should not, what they can or can not post, or where they should “go”, perhaps, you need to check your name tag to see if it reads “owner” or “mod” of BHW. 8. If, at any given time, you feel the “need” to “fabricate” a story or your life history, please be assured that there are many sleuths and detectives on BHW who will “ferret out” the TRUTH. So try not to be “offended”.
9. If you are a "right fighter" (one who will fight to the death to prove you, and you alone, are RIGHT), perhaps, you may want to schedule your appointment with Dr. Phil soon!
PS..............my appointment is Friday at 4 PM........ 10. If your thread goes “south”, don’t whine and cry to the “mods”. Walk away, with dignity, with lesson learned….Refer to Rule # 1 11. When all else fails………………ALWAYS Refer to Rule #1
I type this all in “tongue in cheek” BUT if it offends you, you are probably guilty of one or more of the above………
Norma, you’re kidding, right?
You actually write things like this and save them for future use?
So do you have a collection of things like this you pull out from time to time?
We need to talk.
Bear, I was looking to see which one of those commandments you may have violated up there with this comment. I think maybe all of them. Dang !!!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-04 12:24 PM I think that the discussions should be open but people use common sense and if they can't then the Mods step in.
No Lords name in Vain.
No Swearing.
Don't attack people personally.
I liked the idea of a persons real name being added to the (Chat name). People won't be so brazen if it were.
People can dicuss stuff, agree or disagree but be kind to one another!!
I vote on having OUR real names under our board names...
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-05 9:31 AM Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-04 12:24 PM I think that the discussions should be open but people use common sense and if they can't then the Mods step in.
No Lords name in Vain.
No Swearing.
Don't attack people personally.
I liked the idea of a persons real name being added to the (Chat name). People won't be so brazen if it were.
People can dicuss stuff, agree or disagree but be kind to one another!!
I vote on having OUR real names under our board names...
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-05 10:54 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-05 9:31 AM Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-04 12:24 PM I think that the discussions should be open but people use common sense and if they can't then the Mods step in.
No Lords name in Vain.
No Swearing.
Don't attack people personally.
I liked the idea of a persons real name being added to the (Chat name). People won't be so brazen if it were.
People can dicuss stuff, agree or disagree but be kind to one another!!
I vote on having OUR real names under our board names...
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Douglas J Gordon
LOL .....Roxie....do you hear the crickets??? I would venture to say that most won't want to put their name to their posts .....That is what I like about FaceBook .... you have to "own" what you post!
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bten= Brandy Lynn Martin - the old one, not the young one. I've never met the young one, but she's out there somewhere according the the voting polls and the school.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | LOL, Its getting a little loud now, not as quite as I thought it would be, how awesome is that there is alot more then I thought of us that are proud of who we are, I know that alot do have their name in their profile's but seeing it in a post is pretty cool, I like what NJJ posted {you have to own what you post}
Edit because I liked what NJJ said and I meant to be quoting her on her post
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| jbhoot - 2018-12-05 5:02 PM jbhoot Jack Hootman it is on my profile.
got to ask do you look like ur picture?
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | vjls - 2018-12-05 7:24 PM jbhoot - 2018-12-05 5:02 PM jbhoot Jack Hootman it is on my profile. got to ask do you look like ur picture?
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jbhoot - 2018-12-05 5:02 PM jbhoot Jack Hootman it is on my profile.
got to ask do you look like ur picture?
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Location: Kansas | I've been on this forum since 2004 and not one single solitary time can I ever remember anyone giving a hoot what anyone's real name was. I do remember tons of wonderful folks and fun contributors leaving because of harassment from new members, cranky old members, and because people like Mecom destroyed a worthy topic which I believe was the goal. Back then only the offending post was deleted, not the whole thread.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Thats ok I just thought it would be fun and a good ideal about real names with board names so maybe it would cut out the naughty ones that like to start pot stiring and trolling on here, some of us do have a bond with a few different members on here so we all know who we are and I know these ladys and men are as honest as the day is long..And if you dont want your real name on here thats ok, your secert identily is safe, lol.. Sometimes I wonder who is male and who is female thou.. | |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | jbhoot - 2018-12-06 3:37 AM vjls - 2018-12-05 7:24 PM jbhoot - 2018-12-05 5:02 PM jbhoot Jack Hootman it is on my profile. got to ask do you look like ur picture?
vicky stewart
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The only thing that would have made this question better is if Vicky had started it with..."jb... i mous-stach you a question"
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | luluwhit - 2018-12-06 10:01 AM jbhoot - 2018-12-06 3:37 AM vjls - 2018-12-05 7:24 PM jbhoot - 2018-12-05 5:02 PM jbhoot Jack Hootman it is on my profile. got to ask do you look like ur picture?
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Chandler's Mom - 2018-12-03 7:31 PM DaveM - 2018-12-03 3:01 PM Scott, I agree with so much that you say, BUT disagreement is allowed and name calling is discouraged. ( I saw your "Troll" comment.) Also, I like non-horse topics and think we should keep them. I want to know what my horse community thinks - about everything. It makes this life, and this board, so much more interesting.
SO, don't terrify everyone you don't agree with in your posts - using your superior intellect and supportive logic. Most don't stand a chance with you. We won't have any one left to argue with! I want to encourage AND respect ALL viewpoints. And I hope everyone else feels the same. If what someone says on here disgusts you, report it and move to another topic. We will not let trolls and gremlins take over our board, or stifle our differences either!
Merry Christmas, BTW.
Fee free to disagree with me. Peace
Thanks to you and Miss Gail for this site and letting us have our say, and only stepping in when absolutely necessary. And I agree, Bear scares me too
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FLITASTIC - 2018-12-03 9:00 AM Mecon - 2018-12-02 6:15 PM Mecon - 2018-12-02 7:33 PM Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing. I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better. Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason. You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander.... Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you? But I fail to mention: my view on 1. ) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2. ) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship. 3. ) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement. 4. ) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry. I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally. So I take it you will be waiting at the Tiajuana border to aid and assist the caravan when if/when they are allowed in? How many of those folks are you willing to keep at your OWN house and support until they can get back on their feet? How many spare bedrooms do you have?
I would be a fool to reveal my identity here, wouldn’t you agree? All I need is some gun totin’ “liberal” hater showing up on my doorstep, looking forward to filling me full of “hot lead” before breakfast or proper introductions. My point being: demonizing others in a whirlwind fantasy of xenophobic, racial or political hatred, hatred combined with murderous intent is well, flat wrong. And yes, rational gun control would remove AR15, and any other assault type weapons from private ownership, period. Intensive background checks of anyone seeking weapons, and age limit set at 21. The right to bear arms should and must not include rapid fire weapons capable of leveling school yards, music venues, gay bars, etc.
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Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-03 9:12 AM
FLITASTIC - 2018-12-03 9:00 AM Mecon - 2018-12-02 6:15 PM Mecon - 2018-12-02 7:33 PM Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing. I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better. Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason. You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander.... Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you? But I fail to mention: my view on 1. ) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2. ) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship. 3. ) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement. 4. ) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry. I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally. So I take it you will be waiting at the Tiajuana border to aid and assist the caravan when if/when they are allowed in? How many of those folks are you willing to keep at your OWN house and support until they can get back on their feet? How many spare bedrooms do you have?
I would be a fool to reveal my identity here, wouldn’t you agree? All I need is some gun totin’ “liberal” hater showing up on my doorstep, looking forward to filling me full of “hot lead” before breakfast or proper introductions. My point being: demonizing others in a whirlwind fantasy of xenophobic, racial or political hatred, hatred combined with murderous intent is well, flat wrong. And yes, rational gun control would remove AR15, and any other assault type weapons from private ownership, period. Intensive background checks of anyone seeking weapons, and age limit set at 21. The right to bear arms should and must not include rapid fire weapons capable of leveling school yards, music venues, gay bars, etc.
And by the way, if a desperate political refugee knocked on MY door, I would let them in and try to help. Wouldn’t you?
You're 100 times more likely to be shot by a gun tot'in liberal. Fact. But we do agree on one thing. It's NOT the gun that does the killing. It's the person.
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Location: Montgomery TX | Mecon - 2018-12-06 8:13 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-03 9:12 AM
FLITASTIC - 2018-12-03 9:00 AM Mecon - 2018-12-02 6:15 PM Mecon - 2018-12-02 7:33 PM Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing. I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better. Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason. You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander.... Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you? But I fail to mention: my view on 1. ) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2. ) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship. 3. ) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement. 4. ) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry. I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally. So I take it you will be waiting at the Tiajuana border to aid and assist the caravan when if/when they are allowed in? How many of those folks are you willing to keep at your OWN house and support until they can get back on their feet? How many spare bedrooms do you have?
I would be a fool to reveal my identity here, wouldn’t you agree? All I need is some gun totin’ “liberal” hater showing up on my doorstep, looking forward to filling me full of “hot lead” before breakfast or proper introductions. My point being: demonizing others in a whirlwind fantasy of xenophobic, racial or political hatred, hatred combined with murderous intent is well, flat wrong. And yes, rational gun control would remove AR15, and any other assault type weapons from private ownership, period. Intensive background checks of anyone seeking weapons, and age limit set at 21. The right to bear arms should and must not include rapid fire weapons capable of leveling school yards, music venues, gay bars, etc.
And by the way, if a desperate political refugee knocked on MY door, I would let them in and try to help. Wouldn’t you?
The illegal immigrants (plural because they travel in packs) that walked into my house when I was 8 months pregnant with my son met the business end of my 9mm. Despite the language barrier, they knew they were not supposed to be there. The next night while we were out, our house was robbed. Coincident? I think not. They are called "illegal" immigrants for a reason - they are breaking the law, knowingly breaking the law. | |
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 Living on the edge of common sense
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Location: Carpenter, WY | Mecon - 2018-12-06 7:13 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-03 9:12 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-12-03 9:00 AM Mecon - 2018-12-02 6:15 PM Mecon - 2018-12-02 7:33 PM Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing. I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better. Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason. You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander.... Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you? But I fail to mention: my view on 1. ) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2. ) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship. 3. ) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement. 4. ) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry. I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally. So I take it you will be waiting at the Tiajuana border to aid and assist the caravan when if/when they are allowed in? How many of those folks are you willing to keep at your OWN house and support until they can get back on their feet? How many spare bedrooms do you have? I would be a fool to reveal my identity here, wouldn’t you agree? All I need is some gun totin’ “liberal” hater showing up on my doorstep, looking forward to filling me full of “hot lead” before breakfast or proper introductions. My point being: demonizing others in a whirlwind fantasy of xenophobic, racial or political hatred, hatred combined with murderous intent is well, flat wrong. And yes, rational gun control would remove AR15, and any other assault type weapons from private ownership, period. Intensive background checks of anyone seeking weapons, and age limit set at 21. The right to bear arms should and must not include rapid fire weapons capable of leveling school yards, music venues, gay bars, etc. And by the way, if a desperate political refugee knocked on MY door, I would let them in and try to help. Wouldn’t you?
No I wouldn't. I would call our local authorities and let them deal with them if they stuck around long enough at the door for the police or ICE to show up. In this day and age you never know what kind of crazies are out there. | |
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Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | Mecon - 2018-12-06 9:13 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-03 9:12 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-12-03 9:00 AM Mecon - 2018-12-02 6:15 PM Mecon - 2018-12-02 7:33 PM Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing. I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better. Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason. You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander.... Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you? But I fail to mention: my view on 1. ) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2. ) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship. 3. ) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement. 4. ) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry. I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally. So I take it you will be waiting at the Tiajuana border to aid and assist the caravan when if/when they are allowed in? How many of those folks are you willing to keep at your OWN house and support until they can get back on their feet? How many spare bedrooms do you have? I would be a fool to reveal my identity here, wouldn’t you agree? All I need is some gun totin’ “liberal” hater showing up on my doorstep, looking forward to filling me full of “hot lead” before breakfast or proper introductions. My point being: demonizing others in a whirlwind fantasy of xenophobic, racial or political hatred, hatred combined with murderous intent is well, flat wrong. And yes, rational gun control would remove AR15, and any other assault type weapons from private ownership, period. Intensive background checks of anyone seeking weapons, and age limit set at 21. The right to bear arms should and must not include rapid fire weapons capable of leveling school yards, music venues, gay bars, etc. And by the way, if a desperate political refugee knocked on MY door, I would let them in and try to help. Wouldn’t you?
Question---this is not being condescending but if you help a person that is an ILLEGAL immigrant, are you therefore breaking the law by harboring a criminal ? | |
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| Mecon - 2018-12-06 6:13 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-03 9:12 AM
FLITASTIC - 2018-12-03 9:00 AM Mecon - 2018-12-02 6:15 PM Mecon - 2018-12-02 7:33 PM Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing. I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better. Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason. You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander.... Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you? But I fail to mention: my view on 1. ) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2. ) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship. 3. ) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement. 4. ) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry. I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally. So I take it you will be waiting at the Tiajuana border to aid and assist the caravan when if/when they are allowed in? How many of those folks are you willing to keep at your OWN house and support until they can get back on their feet? How many spare bedrooms do you have?
I would be a fool to reveal my identity here, wouldn’t you agree? All I need is some gun totin’ “liberal” hater showing up on my doorstep, looking forward to filling me full of “hot lead” before breakfast or proper introductions. My point being: demonizing others in a whirlwind fantasy of xenophobic, racial or political hatred, hatred combined with murderous intent is well, flat wrong. And yes, rational gun control would remove AR15, and any other assault type weapons from private ownership, period. Intensive background checks of anyone seeking weapons, and age limit set at 21. The right to bear arms should and must not include rapid fire weapons capable of leveling school yards, music venues, gay bars, etc.
And by the way, if a desperate political refugee knocked on MY door, I would let them in and try to help. Wouldn’t you?
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Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Mecon. To answer your other question. I would NOT let anyone in my door that I don't know. It doesn't matter their nationality. Period.
I'd call the police. If they don't want the police to help them, that tells me all I need to know about them. | |
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A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Mecon - 2018-12-06 8:13 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-03 9:12 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-12-03 9:00 AM Mecon - 2018-12-02 6:15 PM Mecon - 2018-12-02 7:33 PM Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing. I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better. Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason. You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander.... Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you? But I fail to mention: my view on 1. ) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2. ) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship. 3. ) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement. 4. ) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry. I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally. So I take it you will be waiting at the Tiajuana border to aid and assist the caravan when if/when they are allowed in? How many of those folks are you willing to keep at your OWN house and support until they can get back on their feet? How many spare bedrooms do you have? I would be a fool to reveal my identity here, wouldn’t you agree? All I need is some gun totin’ “liberal” hater showing up on my doorstep, looking forward to filling me full of “hot lead” before breakfast or proper introductions. My point being: demonizing others in a whirlwind fantasy of xenophobic, racial or political hatred, hatred combined with murderous intent is well, flat wrong. And yes, rational gun control would remove AR15, and any other assault type weapons from private ownership, period. Intensive background checks of anyone seeking weapons, and age limit set at 21. The right to bear arms should and must not include rapid fire weapons capable of leveling school yards, music venues, gay bars, etc. And by the way, if a desperate political refugee knocked on MY door, I would let them in and try to help. Wouldn’t you?
Where do you live? You have no clue what a illegal could do to you, when they break into your home to go threw it and steal from you, mostly its for food but alot of times it can turn deadly for the home owner if they are there at the time of a break in.. My neighbor she lived alone and was murdered and raped by no telling how many of the illegals that broke into her home, two of her trucks were missing, her adult daughter found her.. A friends mother was mudered by illegals on their family ranch she lived alone in La Joya Texas, her son found her, another friend lost his father to illegals while checking fence.. I use to give food and water to illegals when they came threw our land, but that was many many years ago befor all the bad started happening, there use to be good but now adays you have so many gang members that would kill you on the spot.. I stoped being nice after they found my neighbor, when I saw any coming {but alot of times you dont see them untill its to late and they catch you off guard} I would tell them to keep walking and then I would call Border Patrol I was lucky that I never had to deal with a bad one.. And yes I and hubby are gun owners and a member of the NRA..
You and Meep.Meep have the same view on these Illegals and I hope that you never have to deal with any that may or could break into your home.. They dont care who you are, if they come/break into your home and you are there you have better say a prayer.. | |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Mecon - 2018-12-06 8:13 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-03 9:12 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-12-03 9:00 AM Mecon - 2018-12-02 6:15 PM Mecon - 2018-12-02 7:33 PM Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing. I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better. Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason. You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander.... Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you? But I fail to mention: my view on 1. ) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2. ) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship. 3. ) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement. 4. ) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry. I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally. So I take it you will be waiting at the Tiajuana border to aid and assist the caravan when if/when they are allowed in? How many of those folks are you willing to keep at your OWN house and support until they can get back on their feet? How many spare bedrooms do you have? I would be a fool to reveal my identity here, wouldn’t you agree? All I need is some gun totin’ “liberal” hater showing up on my doorstep, looking forward to filling me full of “hot lead” before breakfast or proper introductions. My point being: demonizing others in a whirlwind fantasy of xenophobic, racial or political hatred, hatred combined with murderous intent is well, flat wrong. And yes, rational gun control would remove AR15, and any other assault type weapons from private ownership, period. Intensive background checks of anyone seeking weapons, and age limit set at 21. The right to bear arms should and must not include rapid fire weapons capable of leveling school yards, music venues, gay bars, etc. And by the way, if a desperate political refugee knocked on MY door, I would let them in and try to help. Wouldn’t you?
Oh and on your question about them knocking on a door and letting them in, where I'm from they dont knock they just break in. But since you really want to help them call any place in a Sanctuary city and tell them you would like to take some in, they would take you up on the offer. | |
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Proud to be Deplorable
Posts: 1929
| Mecon - 2018-12-06 8:13 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-03 9:12 AM
FLITASTIC - 2018-12-03 9:00 AM Mecon - 2018-12-02 6:15 PM Mecon - 2018-12-02 7:33 PM Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing. I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better. Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason. You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander.... Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you? But I fail to mention: my view on 1. ) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2. ) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship. 3. ) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement. 4. ) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry. I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally. So I take it you will be waiting at the Tiajuana border to aid and assist the caravan when if/when they are allowed in? How many of those folks are you willing to keep at your OWN house and support until they can get back on their feet? How many spare bedrooms do you have?
I would be a fool to reveal my identity here, wouldn’t you agree? All I need is some gun totin’ “liberal” hater showing up on my doorstep, looking forward to filling me full of “hot lead” before breakfast or proper introductions. My point being: demonizing others in a whirlwind fantasy of xenophobic, racial or political hatred, hatred combined with murderous intent is well, flat wrong. And yes, rational gun control would remove AR15, and any other assault type weapons from private ownership, period. Intensive background checks of anyone seeking weapons, and age limit set at 21. The right to bear arms should and must not include rapid fire weapons capable of leveling school yards, music venues, gay bars, etc.
And by the way, if a desperate political refugee knocked on MY door, I would let them in and try to help. Wouldn’t you?
So your profile says you are Mrs. Fred Berfel or did you lie when filled it out? | |
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Mecon - 2018-12-06 8:13 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-03 9:12 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-12-03 9:00 AM Mecon - 2018-12-02 6:15 PM Mecon - 2018-12-02 7:33 PM Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing. I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better. Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason. You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander.... Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you? But I fail to mention: my view on 1. ) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2. ) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship. 3. ) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement. 4. ) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry. I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally. So I take it you will be waiting at the Tiajuana border to aid and assist the caravan when if/when they are allowed in? How many of those folks are you willing to keep at your OWN house and support until they can get back on their feet? How many spare bedrooms do you have? I would be a fool to reveal my identity here, wouldn’t you agree? All I need is some gun totin’ “liberal” hater showing up on my doorstep, looking forward to filling me full of “hot lead” before breakfast or proper introductions. My point being: demonizing others in a whirlwind fantasy of xenophobic, racial or political hatred, hatred combined with murderous intent is well, flat wrong. And yes, rational gun control would remove AR15, and any other assault type weapons from private ownership, period. Intensive background checks of anyone seeking weapons, and age limit set at 21. The right to bear arms should and must not include rapid fire weapons capable of leveling school yards, music venues, gay bars, etc. And by the way, if a desperate political refugee knocked on MY door, I would let them in and try to help. Wouldn’t you?
You and Meep.Meep have the same view on these Illegals and I hope that you never have to deal with any that may or could break into your home.. They dont care who you are, if they come/break into your home and you are there you have better say a prayer..
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | jbhoot - 2018-12-07 3:41 PM Mecon - 2018-12-06 8:13 PM ] I would be a fool to reveal my identity here, wouldn’t you agree? All I need is some gun totin’ “liberal” hater showing up on my doorstep, looking forward to filling me full of “hot lead” before breakfast or proper introductions. My point being: demonizing others in a whirlwind fantasy of xenophobic, racial or political hatred, hatred combined with murderous intent is well, flat wrong. And yes, rational gun control would remove AR15, and any other assault type weapons from private ownership, period. Intensive background checks of anyone seeking weapons, and age limit set at 21. The right to bear arms should and must not include rapid fire weapons capable of leveling school yards, music venues, gay bars, etc. And by the way, if a desperate political refugee knocked on MY door, I would let them in and try to help. Wouldn’t you? So your profile says you are Mrs. Fred Berfel or did you lie when filled it out?
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Mecon - 2018-12-06 8:13 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-03 9:12 AM
FLITASTIC - 2018-12-03 9:00 AM Mecon - 2018-12-02 6:15 PM Mecon - 2018-12-02 7:33 PM Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing. I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better. Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason. You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander.... Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you? But I fail to mention: my view on 1. ) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2. ) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship. 3. ) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement. 4. ) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry. I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally. So I take it you will be waiting at the Tiajuana border to aid and assist the caravan when if/when they are allowed in? How many of those folks are you willing to keep at your OWN house and support until they can get back on their feet? How many spare bedrooms do you have?
I would be a fool to reveal my identity here, wouldn’t you agree? All I need is some gun totin’ “liberal” hater showing up on my doorstep, looking forward to filling me full of “hot lead” before breakfast or proper introductions. My point being: demonizing others in a whirlwind fantasy of xenophobic, racial or political hatred, hatred combined with murderous intent is well, flat wrong. And yes, rational gun control would remove AR15, and any other assault type weapons from private ownership, period. Intensive background checks of anyone seeking weapons, and age limit set at 21. The right to bear arms should and must not include rapid fire weapons capable of leveling school yards, music venues, gay bars, etc.
And by the way, if a desperate political refugee knocked on MY door, I would let them in and try to help. Wouldn’t you?
I’m guessing you don’t live close to the southern border. Maybe you live somewhere like northern Minnesota. I do appreciate your honesty in revealing your fear that someone from BHW would actually hunt you down and shoot you like a dog. In spite of those heartfelt concerns regarding racist, xenophobic, anti-immigration, gun toting, bible loving, toothless right wingers, your unquenchable thirst for equine enlightenment exceeds your fears. Your courage, in the face of such danger is truly an inspiration to your ilk. Lord knows
liberal progressives in the past have had to endure similar risks of bodily harm, or worse.
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Mecon - 2018-12-06 8:13 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-03 9:12 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-12-03 9:00 AM Mecon - 2018-12-02 6:15 PM Mecon - 2018-12-02 7:33 PM Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing. I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better. Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason. You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander.... Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you? But I fail to mention: my view on 1. ) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2. ) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship. 3. ) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement. 4. ) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry. I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally. So I take it you will be waiting at the Tiajuana border to aid and assist the caravan when if/when they are allowed in? How many of those folks are you willing to keep at your OWN house and support until they can get back on their feet? How many spare bedrooms do you have? I would be a fool to reveal my identity here, wouldn’t you agree? All I need is some gun totin’ “liberal” hater showing up on my doorstep, looking forward to filling me full of “hot lead” before breakfast or proper introductions. My point being: demonizing others in a whirlwind fantasy of xenophobic, racial or political hatred, hatred combined with murderous intent is well, flat wrong. And yes, rational gun control would remove AR15, and any other assault type weapons from private ownership, period. Intensive background checks of anyone seeking weapons, and age limit set at 21. The right to bear arms should and must not include rapid fire weapons capable of leveling school yards, music venues, gay bars, etc. And by the way, if a desperate political refugee knocked on MY door, I would let them in and try to help. Wouldn’t you?
By reading, I do not think you live any where near the border. I have lived in TX for the past 5 years. I am a Republican/Conservative...whatever. I am a Texan at heart...it suited me to live here.
I think it is way harder to get just a drives license here. I have received a license in 3 other states fairly easily. All I had to do was provide my current license and maybe take a written test. In Texas, I had to PROVE an original birth certificate, provide TWO original marriage licenses and an original SS card. ALL this just to PROVE that I was an American Citizen and actually BORN here. So forgive me, if I am not forgiving of ILLEGALs! I am PRO immigration...if done LEGALLY.
Also, the Caravan....is not full of political refugees. They are ECONOMIC refugees and DO NOT qualify for political asylum. Of those that actually show up for their court date based this nutty, crazy 'catch/release' rule, 90% are deported.
To to respond to your 'gun common sense'....
Contrary to what many think, the “AR” in AR-15 does not stand for “Assault Rifle.” Neither does it stand for “Automatic Rearming,” “Armed Retiree” or even “Auntie Ruth.” It simply stands for ArmaLite Rifle 15, the company from which it was born. It's how this arms manufacturer named its products.
I intentionally put that in a different font as it is VERY common mistake. Congress 'highjacked' the initials for 'AR' back in the 90's when they did the 'Assault Rifle' Ban. That Ban lasted about 10 years because it did not work by stats and was repealed.
An AR-15 is NOT an automatic weapon nor is it military. I hear this crap all the time and all over the news. I am so sick of people hacking about guns that haven't held one and/or know NOTHING about them....other than ALL guns are evil. People are evil, guns are not. Automatic weapons were done away a long time ago. It is modeled after the military style weapon...yes. The STYLE of it. The military weapon was actually an AR-10 with 3 different settings all the way up to automatic.
The AR-15 is SEMI-AUTOMATIC....just like a 9mm Handgun. That means the guy at Sandyhook that killed all those little kids...HAD to pull the trigger each and time he pointed the gun at each little kid. A person does NOT hold the trigger down and SPRAY bullets as in the movies. The 'Bumpstock' that was used in Las Vegas was illegal because he modified the gun to become illegal. Try and legislate that. Better start with the internet, because it's out there on how to make it illegal. You cannot even fire 10 shots on a legal AR-15 without the barrel getting way too hot to hold. I could go on and on. The Lakeland School Shooting was done by a Shotgun and a Revolver. And I am assuming you know the difference.
Have you EVER tried to buy ANY gun? 99% of gun sales go through an FBI background check. That is including the ever popular gun shows.
I agree that that you shouldn't let a nut job get a gun. However, what exactly is a nut job? How do you legislate or regulate a nut job? Is your definition the same as mine? Is that any person that has been on Prozac or been to a shrink? Or is it every military person that comes back with PTSD? And with all those questions, you need to prohibit their family members living with them as well because they can't have a gun in the household. I don't really know what the EXACT definition of nut job is. But as the all knowing Senator said from Hawaii this week...we know so very much, we have to tell people just how smart we are. She is different for sure.
I hope I said it all correctly and clearly. But flame away if you want. I had just had it and was done with the misconceptions and thinking it is all so easy.
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| Gator Bug - 2018-12-08 5:02 PM Mecon - 2018-12-06 8:13 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-03 9:12 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-12-03 9:00 AM Mecon - 2018-12-02 6:15 PM Mecon - 2018-12-02 7:33 PM Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing. I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better. Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason. You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander.... Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you? But I fail to mention: my view on 1. ) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2. ) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship. 3. ) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement. 4. ) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry. I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally. So I take it you will be waiting at the Tiajuana border to aid and assist the caravan when if/when they are allowed in? How many of those folks are you willing to keep at your OWN house and support until they can get back on their feet? How many spare bedrooms do you have? I would be a fool to reveal my identity here, wouldn’t you agree? All I need is some gun totin’ “liberal” hater showing up on my doorstep, looking forward to filling me full of “hot lead” before breakfast or proper introductions. My point being: demonizing others in a whirlwind fantasy of xenophobic, racial or political hatred, hatred combined with murderous intent is well, flat wrong. And yes, rational gun control would remove AR15, and any other assault type weapons from private ownership, period. Intensive background checks of anyone seeking weapons, and age limit set at 21. The right to bear arms should and must not include rapid fire weapons capable of leveling school yards, music venues, gay bars, etc. And by the way, if a desperate political refugee knocked on MY door, I would let them in and try to help. Wouldn’t you?
By reading, I do not think you live any where near the border. I have lived in TX for the past 5 years. I am a Republican/Conservative...whatever. I am a Texan at heart...it suited me to live here.
I think it it is way harder to get just a drives license here. I have received a license in 3 other states fairly easily. All I had to do was provide my current license and maybe take a written test. In Texas, I had to PROVE an original birth certificate, provide TWO original marriage licenses and an original SS card. ALL this just to PROVE that I was an American Citizen and actually BORN here. So forgive me, if I am not forgiving of ILLEGALs! I am PRO immigration...if done LEGALLY.
Also, the Caravan....is not full of political refugees. They are ECONOMIC refugees and DO NOT qualify for political asylum. Of those that actually show up for their court date based this nutty, crazy 'catch/release' rule, 90% are deported.
To to respond to your 'gun common sense'....
Contrary to what many think, the “AR” in AR-15 does not stand for “Assault Rifle.” Neither does it stand for “Automatic Rearming,” “Armed Retiree” or even “Auntie Ruth.” It simply stands for ArmaLite Rifle 15, the company from which it was born. It's how this arms manufacturer named its products.
I intentionally put that in a different font as it is VERY common mistake. Congress 'highjacked' the initials for 'AR' back in the 90's when they did the 'Assault Rifle' Ban. That Ban lasted about 10 years because it did not work by stats and was repealed.
An AR-15 is NOT an automatic weapon nor is it military. I hear this crap all the time and all over the news. I am so sick of people hacking about guns that haven't held one and/or know NOTHING about them....other than ALL guns are evil. People are evil, guns are not. Automatic weapons were done away a long time ago. It is modeled after the military style weapon...yes. The STYLE of it. The military weapon was actually an AR-10 with 3 different settings all the way up to automatic.
The AR-15 is SEMI-AUTOMATIC....just like a 9mm Handgun. That means the guy at Sandyhook that killed all those little kids...HAD to pull the trigger each and time he pointed the gun at each little kid. A person does NOT hold the trigger down and SPRAY bullets as in the movies. The 'Bumpstock' that was used in Las Vegas was illegal because he modified the gun to become illegal. Try and legislate that. Better start with the internet, because it's out there on how to make it illegal. You cannot even fire 10 shots on a legal AR-15 without the barrel getting way too hot to hold. I could go on and on. The Lakeland School Shooting was done by a Shotgun and a Revolver. And I am assuming you know the difference.
Have you EVER tried to buy ANY gun? 99% of gun sales go through an FBI background check. That is including the ever popular gun shows.
I agree that that you shouldn't let a nut job get a gun. However, what exactly is a nut job? How do you legislate or regulate a nut job? Is your definition the same as mine? Is that any person that has been on Prozac or been to a shrink? Or is it every military person that comes back with PTSD? And with all those questions, you need to prohibit their family members living with them as well because they can't have a gun in the household. I don't really know what the EXACT definition of nut job is. But as the all knowing Senator said from Hawaii this week...we know so very much, we have to tell people just how smart we are. She is different for sure.
I hope I said it all correctly and clearly. But flame away if you want. I had just had it and was done with the misconceptions and thinking it is all so easy.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Gator Bug, that was a fantastic post. I don’t see how anyone could dispute anything you said. You are missing the real issue here, in my opinion, and here’s what I mean. Like so many issues tainted with the stench of politics, this debate over gun control is not one where a solution is desired. Read it again.....that’s right. The politicians don’t want the issue to be resolved. They want it to continue on and on and on. In so doing, the topic provides a perpetual distraction for politicians, so their feet cannot be held to he fire on issues that are critical, for which real definitive solutions are desperately needed.
Lets’s just be real honest here. We have had lots of guns in this country since it’s inception. We have 300-400 million of them in the country. For 229 years we have had lots of guns. For a century we have had “assault rifles”. I own a semiautomatic M1 carbine that my dad used in the South Pacific, about 75 years ago. I have 30 round magazines. It is lightweight, compact, deadly, and fires as rapidly as any AR-15. There are countless examples of weapons that are just as deadly as an AR-15. You explained this beautifully. If I had to pick a weapon to defend myself in an urban setting, I’d prefer the M1, actually.
The problem is that the opposition is programmed to focus in on defeating the “evil” NRA and “evil” guns. They won’t focus on the real problem......evil people, and the underlying cause of their evil inclinations. There is comparatively little discussion of factors that compel people to engage in mass killings.
Has the opiate crisis been linked or implicated?
Does our entertainment industry contribute?
Does social media contribute?
Are we in need of more emphasis on mental health professionals?
Are we increasingly spiritually deficient?
Are our kids over exposed to video games that have an impact?
Are we disciplining our kids inadequately?
Speaking of kids, what about today’s child rearing practices?
How are kids taught to cope with failure and peer pressure?
How are kids taught to accept “losing”, be it academically, socially, or athletically?
Is there any correlation with the increasing trends toward a more secular society?
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Location: Arkansas | Bear - 2018-12-08 8:17 PM
Gator Bug, that was a fantastic post. I don’t see how anyone could dispute anything you said. You are missing the real issue here, in my opinion, and here’s what I mean. Like so many issues tainted with the stench of politics, this debate over gun control is not one where a solution is desired. Read it again.....that’s right. The politicians don’t want the issue to be resolved. They want it to continue on and on and on. In so doing, the topic provides a perpetual distraction for politicians, so their feet cannot be held to he fire on issues that are critical, for which real definitive solutions are desperately needed.
Lets’s just be real honest here. We have had lots of guns in this country since it’s inception. We have 300-400 million of them in the country. For 229 years we have had lots of guns. For a century we have had “assault rifles”. I own a semiautomatic M1 carbine that my dad used in the South Pacific, about 75 years ago. I have 30 round magazines. It is lightweight, compact, deadly, and fires as rapidly as any AR-15. There are countless examples of weapons that are just as deadly as an AR-15. You explained this beautifully. If I had to pick a weapon to defend myself in an urban setting, I’d prefer the M1, actually.
The problem is that the opposition is programmed to focus in on defeating the “evil” NRA and “evil” guns. They won’t focus on the real problem......evil people, and the underlying cause of their evil inclinations. There is comparatively little discussion of factors that compel people to engage in mass killings.
Has the opiate crisis been linked or implicated?
Does our entertainment industry contribute?
Does social media contribute?
Are we in need of more emphasis on mental health professionals?
Are we increasingly spiritually deficient?
Are our kids over exposed to video games that have an impact?
Are we disciplining our kids inadequately?
Speaking of kids, what about today’s child rearing practices?
How are kids taught to cope with failure and peer pressure?
How are kids taught to accept “losing”, be it academically, socially, or athletically?
Is there any correlation with the increasing trends toward a more secular society?
Politically speaking, these nuances are not useful. That’s the problem.
What some amazing posts these last few have been; intelligence on display. Very well said and right on the money
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Location: Austin, Texas | Not sure why people don's want to use their name or initials. Everyone lives in different cities and states
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Location: Austin, Texas | Settle down. good grief. Really. This is the reason POLITICAL POSTS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
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Location: Weatherford, TX | cpo61 - 2018-12-08 11:28 PM Not sure why people don's want to use their name or initials. Everyone lives in different cities and states
I'm sorry, I did mean to add my name at the end of my post and I didn't.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | cpo61 - 2018-12-08 11:30 PM
Settle down. good grief. Really. This is the reason POLITICAL POSTS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
Obviously, over the years, this forum has a place where discussions have never been limited to horse-related topics or barrel racing.
With a few exceptions, threads have not been restricted. We’ve talked about movies, the weather, baseball, marriage, war, divorce, crime, money, investing, healthcare, and, yes, politics. In the past, attempts to limit, separate, or compartmentalize political debate and discussion has failed. Every day we log onto BHW we see at the top of the page in red letters, “click to return to politigab”, just like that rusty old 1954 Studebaker sitting in the woods on your grandpa’s farm. I wish I had a dollar for every time someone needed this reminder: “If you don’t like political threads, don’t read them.” Seems simple enough, but, like clockwork, some people need periodic reminding.
As much as I dislike politics, I recognize that one of the biggest threats to our freedom and prosperity is apathy. Apathy, in the form of selective censorship aimed at political posts is something our enemies would applaud. Our politicians need to have their feet held to the fire. Nothing is more impactful on our way of life than our laws and how we are governed....including every single aspect of............(drum roll).....barrel racing. | |
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| cpo61 - 2018-12-08 11:30 PM
Settle down. good grief. Really. This is the reason POLITICAL POSTS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
And I for one agree with the owners of this site Dave and Gail. I refer you to what they have both posted on this subject.
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Location: Weatherford, TX | cpo61 - 2018-12-08 11:30 PM Settle down. good grief. Really. This is the reason POLITICAL POSTS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2018-12-09 10:55 AM cpo61 - 2018-12-08 11:30 PM Settle down. good grief. Really. This is the reason POLITICAL POSTS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. Obviously, over the years, this forum has a place where discussions have never been limited to horse-related topics or barrel racing. With a few exceptions, threads have not been restricted. We’ve talked about movies, the weather, baseball, marriage, war, divorce, crime, money, investing, healthcare, and, yes, politics. In the past, attempts to limit, separate, or compartmentalize political debate and discussion has failed. Every day we log onto BHW we see at the top of the page in red letters, “click to return to politigab”, just like that rusty old 1954 Studebaker sitting in the woods on your grandpa’s farm. I wish I had a dollar for every time someone needed this reminder: “If you don’t like political threads, don’t read them.” Seems simple enough, but, like clockwork, some people need periodic reminding. As much as I dislike politics, I recognize that one of the biggest threats to our freedom and prosperity is apathy. Apathy, in the form of selective censorship aimed at political posts is something our enemies would applaud. Our politicians need to have their feet held to the fire. Nothing is more impactful on our way of life than our laws and how we are governed....including every single aspect of............ (drum roll ).....barrel racing.
I agree that political threads should NOT be censored as long as they stay on subject, civil and most refrain from getting ugly with the other side. I have participated in those threads. The statement "If you don't like the political threads, pass on reading that one" is correct .....However, that being said, THIS thread is a perfect example of what, more than likely, irritates those who do not like political posts....... MANY times, threads about the wide variety of subjects are "hijacked" into a POLITICAL discussion. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Threads getting hijacked or sidetracked happens all the time. Those instances are not uniquely political. It happens in written conversation, just as it happens in verbal conversation. The very nature of politics is such that “civility” is, at best, fleeting, and usually the first casualty in political battles is civility. Good luck in finding a political debate that is civil. It’s never been civil.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | No matter how civil a political thread starts out theres always that someone that will come in and ruin it for everyone. Happens all the time | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I understand what you are saying, Roxie, but I’ve never looked at it that way. If it’s someone with whom I disagree, I look at it as an opportunity to showcase why I disagree.
Ronald Reagan summarized it best when he said, “The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.” | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear - 2018-12-09 2:18 PM I understand what you are saying, Roxie, but I’ve never looked at it that way. If it’s someone with whom I disagree, I look at it as an opportunity to showcase why I disagree. Ronald Reagan summarized it best when he said, “The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.”
You are so right Bear I didnt think of it that way, and you know me I will voice my opinion as well if its something that I dont agree with if its way out there. But then we have some that troll these political threads just so they can stir the pot.. and they dont even hang out here unless its to start stiring, lol, {then all of a sudden here they are} and under a new name.. | |
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Bear - 2018-12-08 8:17 PM
Gator Bug, that was a fantastic post. I don’t see how anyone could dispute anything you said. You are missing the real issue here, in my opinion, and here’s what I mean. Like so many issues tainted with the stench of politics, this debate over gun control is not one where a solution is desired. Read it again.....that’s right. The politicians don’t want the issue to be resolved. They want it to continue on and on and on. In so doing, the topic provides a perpetual distraction for politicians, so their feet cannot be held to he fire on issues that are critical, for which real definitive solutions are desperately needed.
Lets’s just be real honest here. We have had lots of guns in this country since it’s inception. We have 300-400 million of them in the country. For 229 years we have had lots of guns. For a century we have had “assault rifles”. I own a semiautomatic M1 carbine that my dad used in the South Pacific, about 75 years ago. I have 30 round magazines. It is lightweight, compact, deadly, and fires as rapidly as any AR-15. There are countless examples of weapons that are just as deadly as an AR-15. You explained this beautifully. If I had to pick a weapon to defend myself in an urban setting, I’d prefer the M1, actually.
The problem is that the opposition is programmed to focus in on defeating the “evil” NRA and “evil” guns. They won’t focus on the real problem......evil people, and the underlying cause of their evil inclinations. There is comparatively little discussion of factors that compel people to engage in mass killings.
Has the opiate crisis been linked or implicated?
Does our entertainment industry contribute?
Does social media contribute?
Are we in need of more emphasis on mental health professionals?
Are we increasingly spiritually deficient?
Are our kids over exposed to video games that have an impact?
Are we disciplining our kids inadequately?
Speaking of kids, what about today’s child rearing practices?
How are kids taught to cope with failure and peer pressure?
How are kids taught to accept “losing”, be it academically, socially, or athletically?
Is there any correlation with the increasing trends toward a more secular society?
Politically speaking, these nuances are not useful. That’s the problem.
What some amazing posts these last few have been; intelligence on display. Very well said and right on the money
Thank you. That our country, or at least certain sectors anyway, is in ethical and cultural freefall cannot be disputed. The cynicism of
“profits above all else”, has eroded our historical cultural norms of decency, stewardship, elevated art and entertainment (as opposed to reality-tv pandering to the most base of interests of the drooling masses), medical professionals more concerned with healing than money, socially responsible leaders, the education of children and honoring of educators, and discernment in general. I’m wondering if our corn foundered diets & rampant obesity, every 3rd person on anti-depressants, ignorant consumerism, tipplers at the trough of bigotry and hatred of the “other”, and so forth, hasn’t finally reached a tipping point of a citizenry incapable of independent thought and ordinary compassion.
I found it interesting how my query about refugees knocking on the door got redefined as sanctioning illegal immigration. Our borders cannot be porous, obviously. And I am sorry for those of you who have had bad experiences. But the beastly approach this Beastly administration has taken to the problem must be curtailed, sooner rather than later. Better minds and better people, sooner rather than later, problem solving on this issue. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Mecon - 2018-12-09 9:40 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2018-12-08 8:52 PM
Bear - 2018-12-08 8:17 PM
Gator Bug, that was a fantastic post. I don’t see how anyone could dispute anything you said. You are missing the real issue here, in my opinion, and here’s what I mean. Like so many issues tainted with the stench of politics, this debate over gun control is not one where a solution is desired. Read it again.....that’s right. The politicians don’t want the issue to be resolved. They want it to continue on and on and on. In so doing, the topic provides a perpetual distraction for politicians, so their feet cannot be held to he fire on issues that are critical, for which real definitive solutions are desperately needed.
Lets’s just be real honest here. We have had lots of guns in this country since it’s inception. We have 300-400 million of them in the country. For 229 years we have had lots of guns. For a century we have had “assault rifles”. I own a semiautomatic M1 carbine that my dad used in the South Pacific, about 75 years ago. I have 30 round magazines. It is lightweight, compact, deadly, and fires as rapidly as any AR-15. There are countless examples of weapons that are just as deadly as an AR-15. You explained this beautifully. If I had to pick a weapon to defend myself in an urban setting, I’d prefer the M1, actually.
The problem is that the opposition is programmed to focus in on defeating the “evil” NRA and “evil” guns. They won’t focus on the real problem......evil people, and the underlying cause of their evil inclinations. There is comparatively little discussion of factors that compel people to engage in mass killings.
Has the opiate crisis been linked or implicated?
Does our entertainment industry contribute?
Does social media contribute?
Are we in need of more emphasis on mental health professionals?
Are we increasingly spiritually deficient?
Are our kids over exposed to video games that have an impact?
Are we disciplining our kids inadequately?
Speaking of kids, what about today’s child rearing practices?
How are kids taught to cope with failure and peer pressure?
How are kids taught to accept “losing”, be it academically, socially, or athletically?
Is there any correlation with the increasing trends toward a more secular society?
Politically speaking, these nuances are not useful. That’s the problem.
What some amazing posts these last few have been; intelligence on display. Very well said and right on the money
Thank you. That our country, or at least certain sectors anyway, is in ethical and cultural freefall cannot be disputed. The cynicism of
“profits above all else”, has eroded our historical cultural norms of decency, stewardship, elevated art and entertainment (as opposed to reality-tv pandering to the most base of interests of the drooling masses ), medical professionals more concerned with healing than money, socially responsible leaders, the education of children and honoring of educators, and discernment in general. I’m wondering if our corn foundered diets & rampant obesity, every 3rd person on anti-depressants, ignorant consumerism, tipplers at the trough of bigotry and hatred of the “other”, and so forth, hasn’t finally reached a tipping point of a citizenry incapable of independent thought and ordinary compassion.
I found it interesting how my query about refugees knocking on the door got redefined as sanctioning illegal immigration. Our borders cannot be porous, obviously. And I am sorry for those of you who have had bad experiences. But the beastly approach this Beastly administration has taken to the problem must be curtailed, sooner rather than later. Better minds and better people, sooner rather than later, problem solving on this issue.
Kim, I’m going to focus on one comment out of your rambling soliloquy, namely your remark about “refugees knocking on our doors”. Very few illegal aliens are “political refugees”. Most are harmless. Some aren’t. All of them have brazenly broken our laws, and our feckless politicians do not want to solve the problem, for reasons I outlined. Until a few years ago, illegal aliens and illegal immigration was widely condemned by prominent leaders of the Democrat Party.
Hillary Clinton condemned it harshly.
Chuck Schumer condemned it harshly.
Harry Reid condemned it harshly.
Barack Obama condemned it harshly.
Bill Clinton condemned it harshly. In fact, in his 1995 State of the Union speech, President Clinton stated: “All Americans … are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country.” He pointed out that “the jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants”. He said “the public services they use impose burdens on our taxpayers”. He ended with: “We are a nation of immigrants, but we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.”
And then, Clinton received a standing ovation. It resonated across Party lines.
President Donald Trump is essentially making this same speech more than a decade later. But instead of being applauded, these views are widely criticized by the Democratic party and the press. Many Democrats have also supported barriers, like a wall. In 2006, Democrats voted in favor of it. We don’t have anyone in the media pointing out this grotesque hypocrisy.
Why the transformation? That’s obvious....the answer: political expedience....VOTES.
That “beastly approach” you so so ardently decry was just a few years ago embraced by the liberal Democrat Party.
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Bear - 2018-12-09 10:29 PM Mecon - 2018-12-09 9:40 PM Chandler's Mom - 2018-12-08 8:52 PM Bear - 2018-12-08 8:17 PM Gator Bug, that was a fantastic post. I don’t see how anyone could dispute anything you said. You are missing the real issue here, in my opinion, and here’s what I mean. Like so many issues tainted with the stench of politics, this debate over gun control is not one where a solution is desired. Read it again.....that’s right. The politicians don’t want the issue to be resolved. They want it to continue on and on and on. In so doing, the topic provides a perpetual distraction for politicians, so their feet cannot be held to he fire on issues that are critical, for which real definitive solutions are desperately needed. Lets’s just be real honest here. We have had lots of guns in this country since it’s inception. We have 300-400 million of them in the country. For 229 years we have had lots of guns. For a century we have had “assault rifles”. I own a semiautomatic M1 carbine that my dad used in the South Pacific, about 75 years ago. I have 30 round magazines. It is lightweight, compact, deadly, and fires as rapidly as any AR-15. There are countless examples of weapons that are just as deadly as an AR-15. You explained this beautifully. If I had to pick a weapon to defend myself in an urban setting, I’d prefer the M1, actually. The problem is that the opposition is programmed to focus in on defeating the “evil” NRA and “evil” guns. They won’t focus on the real problem......evil people, and the underlying cause of their evil inclinations. There is comparatively little discussion of factors that compel people to engage in mass killings. Has the opiate crisis been linked or implicated? Does our entertainment industry contribute? Does social media contribute? Are we in need of more emphasis on mental health professionals? Are we increasingly spiritually deficient? Are our kids over exposed to video games that have an impact? Are we disciplining our kids inadequately? Speaking of kids, what about today’s child rearing practices? How are kids taught to cope with failure and peer pressure? How are kids taught to accept “losing”, be it academically, socially, or athletically? Is there any correlation with the increasing trends toward a more secular society? Politically speaking, these nuances are not useful. That’s the problem. What some amazing posts these last few have been; intelligence on display. Very well said and right on the money Thank you. That our country, or at least certain sectors anyway, is in ethical and cultural freefall cannot be disputed. The cynicism of “profits above all else”, has eroded our historical cultural norms of decency, stewardship, elevated art and entertainment (as opposed to reality-tv pandering to the most base of interests of the drooling masses ), medical professionals more concerned with healing than money, socially responsible leaders, the education of children and honoring of educators, and discernment in general. I’m wondering if our corn foundered diets & rampant obesity, every 3rd person on anti-depressants, ignorant consumerism, tipplers at the trough of bigotry and hatred of the “other”, and so forth, hasn’t finally reached a tipping point of a citizenry incapable of independent thought and ordinary compassion. I found it interesting how my query about refugees knocking on the door got redefined as sanctioning illegal immigration. Our borders cannot be porous, obviously. And I am sorry for those of you who have had bad experiences. But the beastly approach this Beastly administration has taken to the problem must be curtailed, sooner rather than later. Better minds and better people, sooner rather than later, problem solving on this issue. Kim, I’m going to focus on one comment out of your rambling soliloquy, namely your remark about “refugees knocking on our doors”. Very few illegal aliens are “political refugees”. Most are harmless. Some aren’t. All of them have brazenly broken our laws, and our feckless politicians do not want to solve the problem, for reasons I outlined. Until a few years ago, illegal aliens and illegal immigration was widely condemned by prominent leaders of the Democrat Party. Hillary Clinton condemned it harshly. Chuck Schumer condemned it harshly. Harry Reid condemned it harshly. Barack Obama condemned it harshly. Bill Clinton condemned it harshly. In fact, in his 1995 State of the Union speech, President Clinton stated: “All Americans … are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country.” He pointed out that “the jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants”. He said “the public services they use impose burdens on our taxpayers”. He ended with: “We are a nation of immigrants, but we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.” And then, Clinton received a standing ovation. It resonated across Party lines. President Donald Trump is essentially making this same speech more than a decade later. But instead of being applauded, these views are widely criticized by the Democratic party and the press. Many Democrats have also supported barriers, like a wall. In 2006, Democrats voted in favor of it. We don’t have anyone in the media pointing out this grotesque hypocrisy. Why the transformation? That’s obvious....the answer: political expedience....VOTES. That “beastly approach” you so so ardently decry was just a few years ago embraced by the liberal Democrat Party.
Bear, you are spot on.
The hypocrisy by what was acceptable then for Immigration and what is now, is astounding. Reagan signed the (IRCA) Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986.
The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), Pub.L. 99–603, 100 Stat. 3445, enacted November 6, 1986, also known as the Simpson–Mazzoli Act or the Reagan Amnesty,[1] signed into law by Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986, is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law. The Act[2] - required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status;
- made it illegal to hire or recruit illegal immigrants knowingly;
- legalized certain seasonal agricultural undocumented immigrants, and;
- legalized undocumented immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously with the penalty of a fine, back taxes due, and admission of guilt; candidates were required to prove that they were not guilty of crimes, that they were in the country before January 1, 1982, and that they possessed at least a minimal knowledge about U.S. history, government, and the English language
That Act gave Amnesty to approx. 4 million illegals. It didn't go far enough for Reagan, he did an Executive Order to include children of Illegal families which included 100,000 families.
Reagan came to regret that Act as he gave Amnesty first and Boarder Security after. He never got the border security. He cited it as his biggest regret of his 8 years in office.
Bear is right that under Clinton in the 90's, Democrats did go on and on about the border and security. Bill Clinton was a moderate Democrat and could triangulate to get things done. However, nothing really got done with Immigration.
So now, 32 years after the IRCA, we now have even more Illegals and the Proressive Democratic wing wants open borders and amnesty. Just ask Pelosi....She sees North America as that, not the United States as a sovereign country. Trump was willing to give DACA (another 2 million illegals at least) with the wall and Demovrats refused. DACA was done by Obama Executive Order and never should have been done.
I also do not think Mecon was 'redefined'. I think Mecon defined their position very well. If you want to let Illegals in and stay here out of 'compassion' and not Federal law, that is sanctuary. Again, it is not political asylum, it is economic asylum. It does not follow Federal law. I am for a 'card' that allows people to cross, make money AND then go home. I also strongly support EVerify. If others wanted 'sanctuary' gun cities....I am sure that would be a huge issue and extreme outrage . Exactly what Federal laws are ok to follow and which are not? I'm confused as I thought all Federal laws were to be followed.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I admire all of you that (after 454651654 years and 164551651 liberals later) are still trying to reason with them. I'm just not up to the challenge today. I can't help anyone that doesn't want to help themselves. My best advice to everyone is to READ or LISTEN to something besides the lamestream media. Don't take what they write and say as truth. There is a lot of truth out there if someone looks for it. Research it. Read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights too. There are a lot of people who are trying to educate if you would allow it. That's my PSA today. | |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | OregonBR - 2018-12-10 11:24 AM I admire all of you that (after 454651654 years and 164551651 liberals later ) are still trying to reason with them. I'm just not up to the challenge today. I can't help anyone that doesn't want to help themselves. My best advice to everyone is to READ or LISTEN to something besides the lamestream media. Don't take what they write and say as truth. There is a lot of truth out there if someone looks for it. Research it. Read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights too. There are a lot of people who are trying to educate if you would allow it. That's my PSA today.
OregonBR....completely agree with you. I do research/remember history and not take what is 'fed' to me. I, however, do get upset with 'misinformation' about guns 'spraying' ammunition when that person has never probably held a weapon or wanting/being 'compassionate' about Illegals when they have never lived any where near the border/border state. I am for being educated on a topic and speaking of it when you know at least something to contribute....I am willing to listen. However, when you know nothing and want to go on and on about what you nothing of and/or repeat 'compassionate' talking points....I do have an issue with that.
I do not like getting into these types of topics. If you can debate me on the facts I will ultimately engage. I do think these types of topics can and should be discussed. Just debate on the facts and leave emotion out of it. The Rule of Law really has no compassion or intent involved in it. It really can be tiresome and I do not like it. However, I really do not like 'misinformation' and cannot sit it out. | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Gator Bug - 2018-12-10 9:43 AM
OregonBR - 2018-12-10 11:24 AM I admire all of you that (after 454651654 years and 164551651 liberals later ) are still trying to reason with them. I'm just not up to the challenge today. I can't help anyone that doesn't want to help themselves. My best advice to everyone is to READ or LISTEN to something besides the lamestream media. Don't take what they write and say as truth. There is a lot of truth out there if someone looks for it. Research it. Read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights too. There are a lot of people who are trying to educate if you would allow it. That's my PSA today.
I do not like getting into these types of topics. If you can debate me on the facts I will ultimately engage. I do think these types of topics can and should be discussed. Just debate on the facts and leave emotion out of it. The Rule of Law really has no compassion or intent involved in it. It really can be tiresome and I do not like it. However, I really do not like 'misinformation' and cannot sit it out.
You're one I admire. People who spew lies need to be told they are wrong. There's just so many of them. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | When it comes to “redefining”, liberal Democrats have it down to a fine art. When it comes to political blunders the Republicans have mastered that as well. The GOP asked for an as$ kicking last month. They have been running on border security and repeal/replace Obamacare since its inception. They couldn’t get immigration reform, a DACA fix, or funding for the wall done. They couldn’t repeal/replace ObamaCare. They held majorities in both houses, plus the presidency for two years.
If they would have followed Trump’s lead they might have held the house.
The Democrats have been “re-branding and redefining” for at least 60 years. Until the 60s the Democrat party owned the segregationist movement. It was the GOP who was the voice of racial equality.
I could list dozens of names of prominent racist, segregationist Democrats, including some of the old timers from the glory years of the KKK, like Robert Byrd, the beloved W Va senator and one time Grand Cyclops of the KKK. LBJ was clever enough to recognize the potential of politically enslavement of blacks. His Civil Rights voting act of 1965 passed because of overwhelming Republican support. He is rumored to have predicted “I will have those n*****s voting Democrat for 100 years”. During the 60’s, the Democrats began to redefine themselves as champions of minority rights. That guaranteed them 90-95% of the African American vote for 50 years. The GOP meekly allowed the Democrats to label them as racists and bigots. Democrats recognized the negative impact of being labeled “liberal” so they have successfully re- branded themselves as “Progressive” because, after all, who doesn’t like “progress”? The gullible and uninformed low information voters liked the sound of the term, “progressive movement”, just like they were drawn to “hope and change” and “transformational change”.
They like the idea.....to hell with the details, and the long term success of extreme socialism and Marxism.
Another example of their “redefining” can be seen with global warming. It wasn’t really catching on, so they had to reinvent a new catch phrase - “climate change”. That way anytime there’s a stretch of bad weather, they can attribute it to man made activities. This became one of their political tools.
Then we have the latest attempt to use identity politics as a political tool to capture a monolithic voting block.....the “plight of immigrants”. Notice I didn’t use the term “illegal” immigrants....just immigrants.
This way they can label their opposition, who oppose ILLEGAL immigration, as “anti-immigrant”....or “xenophobic”. Less than a decade ago they were anti illegal immigration, but they reminded themselves of LBJs success, and they re-defined themselves so as to capture a “renewable” source of votes, just like renewable energy.
All of a sudden they are opposed to the things they supported so enthusiastically just a few years ago.
Any blind man with a lick of common sense can see what’s going on.
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