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News is reporting that Trump says they can work out their own problems and that ISIS is dead.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nateracer - 2018-12-21 9:15 AM Yes I beleive that is correct.
News is reporting that Trump says they can work out their own problems and that ISIS is dead.
I'm fine with them working out their own issues...not sure ISIS is dead, but we sure haven't heard much aout them lately.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Nateracer - 2018-12-20 10:15 AM
Yes I beleive that is correct.
News is reporting that Trump says they can work out their own problems and that ISIS is dead.
I'm fine with them working out their own issues...not sure ISIS is dead, but we sure haven't heard much aout them lately.
I listened to a retired General yesterday which explained the good reasoning for the move out.......He explained that we can still fight ISIS without having 2000 troops on the ground........
His name is General Paul Vallely
Troops policy is why are we still policing the world.......apparently General Mattis does.......think we need to....
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| CJE - 2018-12-21 9:50 AM Nateracer - 2018-12-20 10:15 AM Yes I beleive that is correct.
News is reporting that Trump says they can work out their own problems and that ISIS is dead.
I'm fine with them working out their own issues...not sure ISIS is dead, but we sure haven't heard much aout them lately. I listened to a retired General yesterday which explained the good reasoning for the move out.......He explained that we can still fight ISIS without having 2000 troops on the ground........ His name is General Paul Vallely Troops policy is why are we still policing the world.......apparently General Mattis does.......think we need to....
I hate the fact that we are everyone's "father figure" and Piggy Bank. Let them deal with themselves unless they are a direct threat to us!
If we aren't anymore...Buh-Bye!
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Nateracer - 2018-12-20 10:55 AM CJE - 2018-12-21 9:50 AM Nateracer - 2018-12-20 10:15 AM Yes I beleive that is correct.
News is reporting that Trump says they can work out their own problems and that ISIS is dead.
I'm fine with them working out their own issues...not sure ISIS is dead, but we sure haven't heard much aout them lately. I listened to a retired General yesterday which explained the good reasoning for the move out.......He explained that we can still fight ISIS without having 2000 troops on the ground........ His name is General Paul Vallely Troops policy is why are we still policing the world.......apparently General Mattis does.......think we need to....
If we aren't anymore...Buh-Bye!
I realize that sometimes lending means we get lending back, btw. But it seems like we shell out way more than we ever get back.
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| My son is deployed in Afghanistan. He actually serves in a combat position because he is Special Operations Forces and those guys depend on air support and all the air support personel there. Trump's move to announce to our enemies his decision to remove troops is beyond irresponsible. It is dangerous. I am conservative and although have never been crazy about Trump but the thought of Hilary running our foreign affairs was terrifying. But so is this. We have the Taliban at the table with peace talks largely because of the pounding we have been giving the Taliban in recent months. And ISIS is certainly not dead. Trump was very critical of Obama for announcing to the world we were pulling out of Iraq (hence the rise of ISIS) Trump is doing exacty the same thing. And my son is now in a much more dangerous position because Trump's big mouth telling the Afghans and the world we are leaving. Should we be running missions outside the wire? No and hell no but should we bow to ISIS, Iran and Russia and give them jurisdiciton? No and hell no.
The people that Trump is bringing home (and they are still in the Military) will largely be those in support capacities but the operators who run the missions will stay deployed in combat position - with less support than ever. So don't be patting yourself on the back Trump. He hasn't even made a visit to Afghanistan. Obama went 4 times. Trump - 0 -
My views do not make me liberal - they make me an American. And there are thousands of other Conservatives like myself shaking their head wondering how Trump could of done this. Many have commented how Trump doesn't read his briefs, but "goes with his gut". I would prefer he uses the intel he is given by those on the ground. That's how a leader is successful. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Gail - 2018-12-20 11:23 AM
My son is deployed in Afghanistan. He actually serves in a combat position because he is Special Operations Forces and those guys depend on air support and all the air support personel there. Trump's move to announce to our enemies his decision to remove troops is beyond irresponsible. It is dangerous. I am conservative and although have never been crazy about Trump but the thought of Hilary running our foreign affairs was terrifying. But so is this. We have the Taliban at the table with peace talks largely because of the pounding we have been giving the Taliban in recent months. And ISIS is certainly not dead. Trump was very critical of Obama for announcing to the world we were pulling out of Iraq (hence the rise of ISIS) Trump is doing exacty the same thing. And my son is now in a much more dangerous position because Trump's big mouth telling the Afghans and the world we are leaving. Should we be running missions outside the wire? No and hell no but should we bow to ISIS, Iran and Russia and give them jurisdiciton? No and hell no.
The people that Trump is bringing home (and they are still in the Military) will largely be those in support capacities but the operators who run the missions will stay deployed in combat position - with less support than ever. So don't be patting yourself on the back Trump. He hasn't even made a visit to Afghanistan. Obama went 4 times. Trump - 0 -
My views do not make me liberal - they make me an American. And there are thousands of other Conservatives like myself shaking their head wondering how Trump could of done this. Many have commented how Trump doesn't read his briefs, but "goes with his gut". I would prefer he uses the intel he is given by those on the ground. That's how a leader is successful.
My daughter and son in law are both military and disagree with the decision ...........I am on the fence......what have we got for 17 years.........is my question........and yes I hear all the talking points of why we are there.......but 17 years......
And thank your son as well as you for his service for our country......
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Location: South Dakota | Gail - 2018-12-21 10:23 AM My son is deployed in Afghanistan. He actually serves in a combat position because he is Special Operations Forces and those guys depend on air support and all the air support personel there. Trump's move to announce to our enemies his decision to remove troops is beyond irresponsible. It is dangerous. I am conservative and although have never been crazy about Trump but the thought of Hilary running our foreign affairs was terrifying. But so is this. We have the Taliban at the table with peace talks largely because of the pounding we have been giving the Taliban in recent months. And ISIS is certainly not dead. Trump was very critical of Obama for announcing to the world we were pulling out of Iraq (hence the rise of ISIS) Trump is doing exacty the same thing. And my son is now in a much more dangerous position because Trump's big mouth telling the Afghans and the world we are leaving. Should we be running missions outside the wire? No and hell no but should we bow to ISIS, Iran and Russia and give them jurisdiciton? No and hell no.
The people that Trump is bringing home (and they are still in the Military) will largely be those in support capacities but the operators who run the missions will stay deployed in combat position - with less support than ever. So don't be patting yourself on the back Trump. He hasn't even made a visit to Afghanistan. Obama went 4 times. Trump - 0 -
My views do not make me liberal - they make me an American. And there are thousands of other Conservatives like myself shaking their head wondering how Trump could of done this. Many have commented how Trump doesn't read his briefs, but "goes with his gut". I would prefer he uses the intel he is given by those on the ground. That's how a leader is successful.
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| Thanks CJE. I agree we need to find an end game in Afghanistan but I believe we were heading towards this. But annoucing to the world and our allies our departure is dangerous. BTW my son's next deployment is scheduled but now it will be far more dangerous.
We still have bases all over the world - are we going to close them also? What about the bases almost 80 countries around the world? Close them too?
Thank you for the kind words about my son. I sure miss him and am grievely the loss of his teammate Dylan. But there job's as operators are now more dangerous than ever since the Afghan's who can be Security Force by day and Taliban by night will consider us weak and untrustworthy. If Trump's shuts down the war in Afghanistan shut down the missions also but don't leave my son and his teammates alone like Obama did. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | So why would he tell the world that hes pulling out troops then and leaving many there still, thats what I dont understand, it should have been hush hush, after 17 years I would think all the troops would be coming home..This is just crazy.. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-21 11:52 AM So why would he tell the world that hes pulling out troops then and leaving many there still, thats what I dont understand, it should have been hush hush, after 17 years I would think all the troops would be coming home..This is just crazy..
And the ones he leaves are the ones that actually go out on combat missions.
If you are leaving then leave - take them all but that is not the case. Smarter to keep the base open and quit running dangerous missions outside the wire. But not ...Trump is leaving the Special Operators to run missions and they will be in more danger than ever. No wonder Mattis quit. When Trump announced by Twitter he was pulling out of Syria I told my family that Mattis will quit and sure enough he did. We should not be nation building ( has not worked will not ever work) but please don't leave our operators like my son sitting out there like ducks on a pond. That is what Obama did. Can you tell I am livid about this? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Gail - 2018-12-21 12:01 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-21 11:52 AM So why would he tell the world that hes pulling out troops then and leaving many there still, thats what I dont understand, it should have been hush hush, after 17 years I would think all the troops would be coming home..This is just crazy.. And the ones he leaves are the ones that actually go out on combat missions.
If you are leaving then leave - take them all but that is not the case. Smarter to keep the base open and quit running dangerous missions outside the wire. But not ...Trump is leaving the Special Operators to run missions and they will be in more danger than ever. No wonder Mattis quit. When Trump announced by Twitter he was pulling out of Syria I told my family that Mattis will quit and sure enough he did. We should not be nation building ( has not worked will not ever work ) but please don't leave our operators like my son sitting out there like ducks on a pond. That is what Obama did. Can you tell I am livid about this?
Oh I really understand where you are coming from. I was thinking he was going to bring all our troops home and stop all the missions while waiting to get our men and women home, this is were I'm stumped..I just dont get it.. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Gail - 2018-12-21 10:23 AM My son is deployed in Afghanistan. He actually serves in a combat position because he is Special Operations Forces and those guys depend on air support and all the air support personel there. Trump's move to announce to our enemies his decision to remove troops is beyond irresponsible. It is dangerous. I am conservative and although have never been crazy about Trump but the thought of Hilary running our foreign affairs was terrifying. But so is this. We have the Taliban at the table with peace talks largely because of the pounding we have been giving the Taliban in recent months. And ISIS is certainly not dead. Trump was very critical of Obama for announcing to the world we were pulling out of Iraq (hence the rise of ISIS) Trump is doing exacty the same thing. And my son is now in a much more dangerous position because Trump's big mouth telling the Afghans and the world we are leaving. Should we be running missions outside the wire? No and hell no but should we bow to ISIS, Iran and Russia and give them jurisdiciton? No and hell no.
The people that Trump is bringing home (and they are still in the Military) will largely be those in support capacities but the operators who run the missions will stay deployed in combat position - with less support than ever. So don't be patting yourself on the back Trump. He hasn't even made a visit to Afghanistan. Obama went 4 times. Trump - 0 -
My views do not make me liberal - they make me an American. And there are thousands of other Conservatives like myself shaking their head wondering how Trump could of done this. Many have commented how Trump doesn't read his briefs, but "goes with his gut". I would prefer he uses the intel he is given by those on the ground. That's how a leader is successful.
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My son is deployed in Afghanistan. He actually serves in a combat position because he is Special Operations Forces and those guys depend on air support and all the air support personel there. Trump's move to announce to our enemies his decision to remove troops is beyond irresponsible. It is dangerous. I am conservative and although have never been crazy about Trump but the thought of Hilary running our foreign affairs was terrifying. But so is this. We have the Taliban at the table with peace talks largely because of the pounding we have been giving the Taliban in recent months. And ISIS is certainly not dead. Trump was very critical of Obama for announcing to the world we were pulling out of Iraq (hence the rise of ISIS) Trump is doing exacty the same thing. And my son is now in a much more dangerous position because Trump's big mouth telling the Afghans and the world we are leaving. Should we be running missions outside the wire? No and hell no but should we bow to ISIS, Iran and Russia and give them jurisdiciton? No and hell no.
The people that Trump is bringing home (and they are still in the Military) will largely be those in support capacities but the operators who run the missions will stay deployed in combat position - with less support than ever. So don't be patting yourself on the back Trump. He hasn't even made a visit to Afghanistan. Obama went 4 times. Trump - 0 -
My views do not make me liberal - they make me an American. And there are thousands of other Conservatives like myself shaking their head wondering how Trump could of done this. Many have commented how Trump doesn't read his briefs, but "goes with his gut". I would prefer he uses the intel he is given by those on the ground. That's how a leader is successful.
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Not all soliders come home - griveing heavily on the loss of his teammate SSgt.Dylan Elchin.
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Location: Arkansas | Gail - 2018-12-21 1:10 PM
I just got word my son returned from his mission safely. This momma always sheds a tear or two when he gets off missions safely.
Not all soliders come home - griveing heavily on the loss of his teammate SSgt.Dylan Elchin.
Thank you everyone - Republican and Democratics who pray for the saftey of our troops.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-24 9:22 AM
Why in the H does our military have to announce anything before it happens????????
Do you think our announcement that we are bringing our troops home from Syria forthwith constitutes “telegraphing”? |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-21 7:25 AM Nateracer - 2018-12-21 9:15 AM Yes I beleive that is correct.
News is reporting that Trump says they can work out their own problems and that ISIS is dead.
I'm fine with them working out their own issues...not sure ISIS is dead, but we sure haven't heard much aout them lately. After 17 years we need to be done and have all our service men and women on home soil..
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-24 9:22 AM Why in the H does our military have to announce anything before it happens????????
Our "Military" didn't announce anything .... Trump DID ..... and as Gail mentioned, putting the remaining troops in serious danger !!! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2018-12-24 12:06 PM
Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-24 9:22 AM Why in the H does our military have to announce anything before it happens????????
Our "Military" didn't announce anything .... Trump DID ..... and as Gail mentioned, putting the remaining troops in serious danger !!!
Explain how announcing that we are bringing our troops home puts our troops in danger. For one thing, as long as they are there they are in danger. Trump made the announcement and preparations for their return home began immediately.
So please explain how his announcement places them in danger.
Of all the times we have decided to bring troops home from somewhere, show me one example where they came home unannounced.
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Location: Kansas | What was the plan if you didn't announce it. Sneak 2000 troops out in the middle of the night. Here's hoping there's not a repeat performance of Iraq during the Obama adminstration where millions of dollars worth of useable military equipment was left for terrorists to take over. I saw brand new Ford crewcabs with machine guns mounted in the back. Tons of equipment and machines just abandoned.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2018-12-24 12:41 PM NJJ - 2018-12-24 12:06 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-24 9:22 AM Why in the H does our military have to announce anything before it happens???????? Our "Military" didn't announce anything .... Trump DID ..... and as Gail mentioned, putting the remaining troops in serious danger !!! Explain how announcing that we are bringing our troops home puts our troops in danger. For one thing, as long as they are there they are in danger. Trump made the announcement and preparations for their return home began immediately. So please explain how his announcement places them in danger. Of all the times we have decided to bring troops home from somewhere, show me one example where they came home unannounced.
I will refer you back to page 1 to READ Gail's explanation ..... but WHEN has it ever been acceptable to "announce" to our enemies exactly what our military is going to do ..... beyond comprehension !!!! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2018-12-24 1:30 PM
Bear - 2018-12-24 12:41 PM NJJ - 2018-12-24 12:06 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-24 9:22 AM Why in the H does our military have to announce anything before it happens???????? Our "Military" didn't announce anything .... Trump DID ..... and as Gail mentioned, putting the remaining troops in serious danger !!! Explain how announcing that we are bringing our troops home puts our troops in danger. For one thing, as long as they are there they are in danger. Trump made the announcement and preparations for their return home began immediately. So please explain how his announcement places them in danger. Of all the times we have decided to bring troops home from somewhere, show me one example where they came home unannounced.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Frodo - 2018-12-24 1:15 PM
What was the plan if you didn't announce it. Sneak 2000 troops out in the middle of the night. Here's hoping there's not a repeat performance of Iraq during the Obama adminstration where millions of dollars worth of useable military equipment was left for terrorists to take over. I saw brand new Ford crewcabs with machine guns mounted in the back. Tons of equipment and machines just abandoned.
I was going to point that out, but I decided to ask for explanations to her remarks. Predictably I didn’t get any..... not to my very reasonable questions, at least. |
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Bear - 2018-12-24 12:41 PM NJJ - 2018-12-24 12:06 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-24 9:22 AM Why in the H does our military have to announce anything before it happens???????? Our "Military" didn't announce anything .... Trump DID ..... and as Gail mentioned, putting the remaining troops in serious danger !!! Explain how announcing that we are bringing our troops home puts our troops in danger. For one thing, as long as they are there they are in danger. Trump made the announcement and preparations for their return home began immediately. So please explain how his announcement places them in danger. Of all the times we have decided to bring troops home from somewhere, show me one example where they came home unannounced.
I can't thick of any conflict where we didn't announce that we where leaving. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | jbhoot - 2018-12-24 2:09 PM NJJ - 2018-12-24 1:30 PM Bear - 2018-12-24 12:41 PM NJJ - 2018-12-24 12:06 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-24 9:22 AM Why in the H does our military have to announce anything before it happens???????? Our "Military" didn't announce anything .... Trump DID ..... and as Gail mentioned, putting the remaining troops in serious danger !!! Explain how announcing that we are bringing our troops home puts our troops in danger. For one thing, as long as they are there they are in danger. Trump made the announcement and preparations for their return home began immediately. So please explain how his announcement places them in danger. Of all the times we have decided to bring troops home from somewhere, show me one example where they came home unannounced. I can't thick of any conflict where we didn't announce that we where leaving.
Yes, we have announced that we were withdrawing troops from other conflicts .... however, we have NEVER told the enemy exactly how many we were taking out at a time and were usually vague about timelines, etc ..... to tell the ENEMY that you are cutting your forces by ONE HALF puts the remaining in more danger ..... And that is exactly what the military leaders are saying now! And I would assume that they are a little more intelligent regarding the issue. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2018-12-24 1:54 PM Frodo - 2018-12-24 1:15 PM What was the plan if you didn't announce it. Sneak 2000 troops out in the middle of the night. Here's hoping there's not a repeat performance of Iraq during the Obama adminstration where millions of dollars worth of useable military equipment was left for terrorists to take over. I saw brand new Ford crewcabs with machine guns mounted in the back. Tons of equipment and machines just abandoned. I was going to point that out, but I decided to ask for explanations to her remarks. Predictably I didn’t get any..... not to my very reasonable questions, at least.
To be clear ..... The troops in Syria were only "advisory" .... I (and Gail) were referencing the announcement of taking 7000 of the14,000 troops out of Afghanistan ..... I am not adverse to the removal of troops BUT think it is irresponsible to let our enemies know that we are cutting our troops in half while still fighting a war. |
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jbhoot - 2018-12-24 2:09 PM NJJ - 2018-12-24 1:30 PM Bear - 2018-12-24 12:41 PM NJJ - 2018-12-24 12:06 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-24 9:22 AM Why in the H does our military have to announce anything before it happens???????? Our "Military" didn't announce anything .... Trump DID ..... and as Gail mentioned, putting the remaining troops in serious danger !!! Explain how announcing that we are bringing our troops home puts our troops in danger. For one thing, as long as they are there they are in danger. Trump made the announcement and preparations for their return home began immediately. So please explain how his announcement places them in danger. Of all the times we have decided to bring troops home from somewhere, show me one example where they came home unannounced. I can't thick of any conflict where we didn't announce that we where leaving.
Review the history of the 17 years we have been in Afghanistan. Every President has increased and decreased troops several times all have announced deployments in and out of country. Any time troops are deployed in and out of a conflict zone they are at risk. When you say that past Presidents NEVER announced how many or when is not factual. As to military leaders and their objections now that is in direct contradiction to their own IG report on Syria and Afghanistan dated 11/5/2018. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | How we are getting out, whether it’s half of the troops followed by the other half doesn’t matter to me. I think Trump is serious about getting the hell out of the ME. In the case of Syria, he decided it was time to cut the cord. After 17 years, I agree. He’s talked about getting out of the ME for years. We have gotten so used to spending $Trillions over there, never ending battles and skirmishes, and flag-draped coffins, that his decision to stick by his word is such an anomaly amongst our politicians comes as a shock to the establishment. Actually, to be honest, I never thought I would find myself advocating what Trump has been saying, but he’s really made an excellent case.
Ronald Reagan once said, “The closest thing to eternity on earth is a government program”. He was right about that, and that also applies to our military in foreign wars. Everywhere we’ve fought, we’ve left a military base. If we are ever going to get our budget and debt under control we have to look at this. We have satellite technology that can read a newspaper from space. We have cruise missiles than can hit a camel’s as$ from 600 miles away. We have highly lethal UAVs (drones) that can be flown remotely by someone sitting in their basement in Grand Forks, ND. We have rapid deployment forces that can hit any target on earth within 24 hours.
We have stealth bombers that can strike anywhere with incredible precision. We can provide that kind of support to anyone we wish to support in the ME without risking ground troops, so those options remain.
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I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO
Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. |
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OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM
I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO
Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad.
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What was the plan if you didn't announce it. Sneak 2000 troops out in the middle of the night. Here's hoping there's not a repeat performance of Iraq during the Obama adminstration where millions of dollars worth of useable military equipment was left for terrorists to take over. I saw brand new Ford crewcabs with machine guns mounted in the back. Tons of equipment and machines just abandoned.
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I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO
Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true?
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OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM
I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO
Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true?
Of course not. My question was: where you get your “facts”?
Further, it is far more likely that Trump’s decision to abruptly pull out of Syria (against the advice of a superbly qualified, 4 decades of service to our country, (vs bone spur cowardice) military mind and strategist as exemplified by Mattis) was at the request of Putin. Our enemy. |
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Mecon - 2018-12-24 7:49 PM
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Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:33 PM
OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM
I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO
Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true?
Of course not. My question was: where you get your “facts”?
Further, it is far more likely that Trump’s decision to abruptly pull out of Syria (against the advice of a superbly qualified, 4 decades of service to our country, (vs bone spur cowardice ) military mind and strategist as exemplified by Mattis ) was at the request of Putin. Our enemy.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | NJJ - 2018-12-23 3:38 PM
Bear - 2018-12-24 1:54 PM Frodo - 2018-12-24 1:15 PM What was the plan if you didn't announce it. Sneak 2000 troops out in the middle of the night. Here's hoping there's not a repeat performance of Iraq during the Obama adminstration where millions of dollars worth of useable military equipment was left for terrorists to take over. I saw brand new Ford crewcabs with machine guns mounted in the back. Tons of equipment and machines just abandoned. I was going to point that out, but I decided to ask for explanations to her remarks. Predictably I didn’t get any..... not to my very reasonable questions, at least.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | jake16 - 2018-12-23 8:39 PM
Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:33 PM
OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM
I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO
Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true?
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Location: Kansas | Mecon - 2018-12-24 7:45 PM Frodo - 2018-12-24 1:15 PM What was the plan if you didn't announce it. Sneak 2000 troops out in the middle of the night. Here's hoping there's not a repeat performance of Iraq during the Obama adminstration where millions of dollars worth of useable military equipment was left for terrorists to take over. I saw brand new Ford crewcabs with machine guns mounted in the back. Tons of equipment and machines just abandoned. Your gullibility, Frodo, never ceases to amaze me.
Nothing about you "amazes" me. Ignorance goes hand in hand with liberalism.
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Location: SE Missouri | We have a friend in town that has spent years in and out of the ME “training” law enforcement personnel of whatever country he is sent to. I found it interesting when he talked about certain countries personnel were just lazy and acted as if they had no intention to ever take care of themselves.
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| Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:14 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 7:49 PM jake16 - 2018-12-24 7:39 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:33 PM OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true? Of course not. My question was: where you get your “facts”? Further, it is far more likely that Trump’s decision to abruptly pull out of Syria (against the advice of a superbly qualified, 4 decades of service to our country, (vs bone spur cowardice ) military mind and strategist as exemplified by Mattis ) was at the request of Putin. Our enemy.
Where do you get your info Mecon? I am curious. Do you have top secret clearance? Please do share with us what makes you such an expert.
And for the record the United States have been planning to pull out of Syria since last spring. Did Trump need to announce it to the enemies? Of course not and it reflected very poorly on him. I think everyone agrees on that but saying Putin's influence caused that decision is ridiculous.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Gail - 2018-12-26 9:33 AM
Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:14 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 7:49 PM jake16 - 2018-12-24 7:39 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:33 PM OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true? Of course not. My question was: where you get your “facts”? Further, it is far more likely that Trump’s decision to abruptly pull out of Syria (against the advice of a superbly qualified, 4 decades of service to our country, (vs bone spur cowardice ) military mind and strategist as exemplified by Mattis ) was at the request of Putin. Our enemy.
And for the record the United States have been planning to pull out of Syria since last spring. Did Trump need to announce it to the enemies? Of course not and it reflected very poorly on him. I think everyone agrees on that but saying Putin's influence caused that decision is ridiculous.
Again Mecon - where do you get your info?
Gail, here’s what’s going on with Mecon. Like most liberals, she’s been programmed to accuse or label her political enemies of some flaw or defect, of which she herself is unquestionably guilty. In psychology parlance, that’s called “projection”. It’s not just hypocrisy, rather, it’s a tool that has worked with programmable, low information voters for decades. The “racism” mantra by the left has worked for years, when the truth of the matter is they have perfected that mantra and used it over and over and over again.
The fact of the matter is the Democrat party is steeped in a rich tradition of racism. Their racism has been revised and re-tooled to a more subtle form of bigotry and racism, but it’s very effective nonetheless. Now they apply the “racism” weapon to everything from vanilla milkshakes to “White Christmas” to......(drum roll).....”the wall”.
With Mecon, she makes this remark: “Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad.” She goes on to say, without evidence, that the President is making decisions on Putin’s orders. In other words, she decries the absence of “rational, fact based argument”, and turns around to do just that. That’s how they use projection as a tool.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Mecon - 2018-12-24 7:45 PM
Frodo - 2018-12-24 1:15 PM
What was the plan if you didn't announce it. Sneak 2000 troops out in the middle of the night. Here's hoping there's not a repeat performance of Iraq during the Obama adminstration where millions of dollars worth of useable military equipment was left for terrorists to take over. I saw brand new Ford crewcabs with machine guns mounted in the back. Tons of equipment and machines just abandoned.
Your gullibility, Frodo, never ceases to amaze me.
Frodo is actually correct. During the Obozo administration, we gave billions in military equipment to the Iraqis to assist them in fighting ISIS. They left 2300 Humvees, along with trucks, M1-A1 tanks (cost= $6 million a pop), and other weapons on the battle field.
Mecon tries to ridicule Frodo for being so “gullible”. In effect, she is denying the facts, and turns around and calls Frodo gullible.
Again.....”projection”. Mecon is making this without any factual basis. She’s the gullible one, not Frodo. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Mecon - 2018-12-24 5:49 PM
jake16 - 2018-12-24 7:39 PM
Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:33 PM
OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM
I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO
Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true?
Of course not. My question was: where you get your “facts”?
I get my "facts" from the roughly 50% of the country that isn't liberal/progressive/democrat. I sure don't listen to lame stream media liars. I recommend you keep listening to Clinton News Network i.e. fake news. Tell me a year from now what you think was true. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | As far as taking orders, let’s take a trip down memory lane to 2012 when Obozo was caught on a hot mic making this remark to Medvedev: “Tell Vlad that I will have more flexibility after the election”. Translation: once I am re-elected, I will be free to work with him. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Gail - 2018-12-26 9:41 AM
I sincerely want to know where the information comes from. I have yet to see any network report correctly on Afghanistan or Syria. And those are not my thoughts they are from the few that actually there.
You will never hear any lamestream media report on the facts of anything. Fox occasionally hits the target. But I hardly ever watch any of them. I get my news from independent sources. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2018-12-26 11:37 AM Gail - 2018-12-26 9:33 AM Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:14 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 7:49 PM jake16 - 2018-12-24 7:39 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:33 PM OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true? Of course not. My question was: where you get your “facts”? Further, it is far more likely that Trump’s decision to abruptly pull out of Syria (against the advice of a superbly qualified, 4 decades of service to our country, (vs bone spur cowardice ) military mind and strategist as exemplified by Mattis ) was at the request of Putin. Our enemy.
And for the record the United States have been planning to pull out of Syria since last spring. Did Trump need to announce it to the enemies? Of course not and it reflected very poorly on him. I think everyone agrees on that but saying Putin's influence caused that decision is ridiculous.
Again Mecon - where do you get your info? Gail, here’s what’s going on with Mecon. Like most liberals, she’s been programmed to accuse or label her political enemies of some flaw or defect, of which she herself is unquestionably guilty. In psychology parlance, that’s called “projection”. It’s not just hypocrisy, rather, it’s a tool that has worked with programmable, low information voters for decades. The “racism” mantra by the left has worked for years, when the truth of the matter is they have perfected that mantra and used it over and over and over again. The fact of the matter is the Democrat party is steeped in a rich tradition of racism. Their racism has been revised and re-tooled to a more subtle form of bigotry and racism, but it’s very effective nonetheless. Now they apply the “racism” weapon to everything from vanilla milkshakes to “White Christmas” to...... (drum roll ).....”the wall”. With Mecon, she makes this remark: “Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad.” She goes on to say, without evidence, that the President is making decisions on Putin’s orders. In other words, she decries the absence of “rational, fact based argument”, and turns around to do just that. That’s how they use projection as a tool. It’s actually so obvious to me that I find it amusing.
Once again, A relevant question is asked of Mecon (by Gail) and you feel the need to give a dissertation regarding Mecon. It made me look up exactly what you were talking about and I found this ......
Psychological projection is a defence mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.
It incorporates blame shifting. Humans - consciously and unconsciously - constantly make judgments about other people. The psychological criteria for judging others may be partly ingrained, negative and rigid indicating some degree of grandiosity. Blaming provides a way of devaluing others, with the end result that the blamer feels superior, seeing others as less worthwhile making the blamer "perfect". Off-loading blame means putting the other person down by emphasizing his or her flaws
Unfortunately...... this fits more that JUST Mecon ......
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2018-12-26 12:46 PM
Bear - 2018-12-26 11:37 AM Gail - 2018-12-26 9:33 AM Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:14 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 7:49 PM jake16 - 2018-12-24 7:39 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:33 PM OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true? Of course not. My question was: where you get your “facts”? Further, it is far more likely that Trump’s decision to abruptly pull out of Syria (against the advice of a superbly qualified, 4 decades of service to our country, (vs bone spur cowardice ) military mind and strategist as exemplified by Mattis ) was at the request of Putin. Our enemy.
And for the record the United States have been planning to pull out of Syria since last spring. Did Trump need to announce it to the enemies? Of course not and it reflected very poorly on him. I think everyone agrees on that but saying Putin's influence caused that decision is ridiculous.
Again Mecon - where do you get your info? Gail, here’s what’s going on with Mecon. Like most liberals, she’s been programmed to accuse or label her political enemies of some flaw or defect, of which she herself is unquestionably guilty. In psychology parlance, that’s called “projection”. It’s not just hypocrisy, rather, it’s a tool that has worked with programmable, low information voters for decades. The “racism” mantra by the left has worked for years, when the truth of the matter is they have perfected that mantra and used it over and over and over again. The fact of the matter is the Democrat party is steeped in a rich tradition of racism. Their racism has been revised and re-tooled to a more subtle form of bigotry and racism, but it’s very effective nonetheless. Now they apply the “racism” weapon to everything from vanilla milkshakes to “White Christmas” to...... (drum roll ).....”the wall”. With Mecon, she makes this remark: “Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad.” She goes on to say, without evidence, that the President is making decisions on Putin’s orders. In other words, she decries the absence of “rational, fact based argument”, and turns around to do just that. That’s how they use projection as a tool. It’s actually so obvious to me that I find it amusing.
It incorporates blame shifting. Humans - consciously and unconsciously - constantly make judgments about other people. The psychological criteria for judging others may be partly ingrained, negative and rigid indicating some degree of grandiosity. Blaming provides a way of devaluing others, with the end result that the blamer feels superior, seeing others as less worthwhile making the blamer "perfect". Off-loading blame means putting the other person down by emphasizing his or her flawsUnfortunately...... this fits more that JUST Mecon ......
Ummmmm, I’m afraid I’m just a tad more qualified to recognize projection than you are, Norma. I have 40 years of clinical experience.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2018-12-26 1:02 PM NJJ - 2018-12-26 12:46 PM Bear - 2018-12-26 11:37 AM Gail - 2018-12-26 9:33 AM Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:14 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 7:49 PM jake16 - 2018-12-24 7:39 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:33 PM OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true? Of course not. My question was: where you get your “facts”? Further, it is far more likely that Trump’s decision to abruptly pull out of Syria (against the advice of a superbly qualified, 4 decades of service to our country, (vs bone spur cowardice ) military mind and strategist as exemplified by Mattis ) was at the request of Putin. Our enemy.
And for the record the United States have been planning to pull out of Syria since last spring. Did Trump need to announce it to the enemies? Of course not and it reflected very poorly on him. I think everyone agrees on that but saying Putin's influence caused that decision is ridiculous.
Again Mecon - where do you get your info? Gail, here’s what’s going on with Mecon. Like most liberals, she’s been programmed to accuse or label her political enemies of some flaw or defect, of which she herself is unquestionably guilty. In psychology parlance, that’s called “projection”. It’s not just hypocrisy, rather, it’s a tool that has worked with programmable, low information voters for decades. The “racism” mantra by the left has worked for years, when the truth of the matter is they have perfected that mantra and used it over and over and over again. The fact of the matter is the Democrat party is steeped in a rich tradition of racism. Their racism has been revised and re-tooled to a more subtle form of bigotry and racism, but it’s very effective nonetheless. Now they apply the “racism” weapon to everything from vanilla milkshakes to “White Christmas” to...... (drum roll ).....”the wall”. With Mecon, she makes this remark: “Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad.” She goes on to say, without evidence, that the President is making decisions on Putin’s orders. In other words, she decries the absence of “rational, fact based argument”, and turns around to do just that. That’s how they use projection as a tool. It’s actually so obvious to me that I find it amusing.
It incorporates blame shifting. Humans - consciously and unconsciously - constantly make judgments about other people. The psychological criteria for judging others may be partly ingrained, negative and rigid indicating some degree of grandiosity. Blaming provides a way of devaluing others, with the end result that the blamer feels superior, seeing others as less worthwhile making the blamer "perfect". Off-loading blame means putting the other person down by emphasizing his or her flaws
Unfortunately...... this fits more that JUST Mecon ......
Ummmmm, I’m afraid I’m just a tad more qualified to recognize projection than you are, Norma. I have 40 years of clinical experience. You have google, snopes, and obnoxious bold bright red font.
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Something to share with my friends here. I got my Christmas wish to talk to my son in Afghanistan. Of the 14K deployed in Afghanistan only a very small percentage actually go out and perform combat missions. Those are your Special Operations Forces. (my son included)
We discussed alot of politics on Christmas. And I would like to share the thoughts of those who have TS (Top Secret) clearance and are taking the fight to the enemy. The main sentiment expressed to me was...the world is not black or white, it is grey. Not single political party has all the answers and not one policical party has all the blame. I disagree with Trump on many things. (I don't think I agreed with Hilary on anything) but there is good within both parties. We have to strive to find the good in each other and quit the name calling for the sake of our country. The hatred (or thinly veiled disdain) we express to others who don't share our viewpoints is destructive. The hatred spewed out of the Hollywood left is disgusting but so is the name calling by Trump ( and on this board name calling by BOTH sides) Personal attacks are immature and destroy the chance to build coalitions.
You may think differently about issues depending on your personal experiences. For me having a son in harms way causes me to be extra critical of Trumps waffling on Afghanistan. Maybe he will be the one to stop the "whack a mole" missions that get our boys killed but I won't hold my breathe on that. But under Obama soldiers were not allowed to defend themselves without permisison. The rules of engagement have changed and we can thank General Mattis and Trump for that. Our soldiers can now defend themselves in ways that make sense for a change.
So these are issues that I would like to discuss with anyone. But the name calling on these threads has got to stop. While some of us on this board would like to share our view of what is wrong and right, the reality is a grey world where those distinctions cannot be drawn definitively. So why attack them and call them childish names? What does that accomplish?
I'd like to agree on common goals, then argue about ways to reach them. Listening to an opposing view does not mean you agree with it. But trashing someone else does assure one thing. You forever alienate the very people you hope to convince and gain their support. Trump is still trying to figure out how to get everyone rowing together in the same direction. While still calling them names. Good luck with that one.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Short of censoring, I’m afraid the name calling will always exist.
It always has, and it always will. Political discourse and debate is never completely civil. It’s always been emotional and heated.
There is no such thing as a political forum that is not emotionally charged. We are immersed in it everywhere we look....Television, print media, the internet. I’ve never seen a forum that successfully avoided offensive remarks or name calling all the time. Even monolithic echochambers have strife and name calling.
I will confess to using the word “troll”. That’s not fair. There are no trolls on BHW....are there? My bad.
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| Bear - 2018-12-26 2:48 PM Short of censoring, I’m afraid the name calling will always exist. It always has, and it always will. Political discourse and debate is never completely civil. It’s always been emotional and heated. There is no such thing as a political forum that is not emotionally charged. We are immersed in it everywhere we look....Television, print media, the internet. I’ve never seen a forum that successfully avoided offensive remarks or name calling all the time. Even monolithic echochambers have strife and name calling. I will confess to using the word “troll”. That’s not fair. There are no trolls on BHW....are there? My bad.
If you saw my hair in the morning you would probably refer to me as a troll :)
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Trump, first lady in Iraq for surprise visit with troops.
This was overdue. I’m glad to hear this news.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-first-lady-in-iraq-for-surpri...
Edited by Bear 2018-12-26 2:55 PM
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Gail - 2018-12-26 1:12 PM
Probably the reason he hasn't gone to some functions is there have been numerous threats of assassination against him. The SS has vetoed him going. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Trump, visiting troops in Iraq, defends Syria pullout plan
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-visiting-troops-in-iraq-defen...
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