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Location: SW MO | For those of you who pinch pennies, how do you go about buying designer horses? I am considering buying a long yearling or 2 year old this year. I am also breeding a Heza Fast Man x Beduino daughter in 2019. Do you buy older horses that have issues or buy babies and hope their value holds bloodline wise? Tips? Tricks?
If you do buy a well bred baby, where do you find them? Breeder? Off the track? Sale? Thank you for all of your input. |
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| What would your budget be? You aren't going to be able to get an own son or daughter of a designer sire or dam for less than a lot (lol!).
I thought I got a bargain on my DTF daughter last year but still shelled out more on the one horse than all my other horses put together (that I've bought - I've bred dozens to top stallions that are/were worth quite a bit).
I've always found my best buys online shopping and being ready to make a quick decision and ready to wire money immediatly. You can usually shave some to quite a bit off a purchase by being fast. I was lucky with my DTF that my trainer had seen her perform within 45 days of when I purchased her and I opted out of vet check. I think that was worth $5000 off, plus the cost of the vet check. Another $5000 that I was the situation the previous owner was looking for, and a few more K's for being able to pay in 2 hours or so.
If you are looking at youngsters you will have more to choose from for less because you won't be paying for their training or experience. Being open to a colt that will barely load and lead and needing some time spent ironing out ground manners and training will give you even more, and less expensive, options.
If you go older and are open to maintenance issues then you might find a good deal. Ask around at your shows to see who might be softly selling or actively selling. |
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Location: OH | We sell a lot of babies, usually 10-15 a year and I do not know that it is necessarily cheaper for the customer but they have the opportunity to pick pretty much exactly what they want instead of settling for what they get when breeding. Advantage to buying young is you handle them early and do not have to try and fix somebody elses mistakes---disadvantage is the time you have to wait. |
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| I follow breeders pages and wait until they get full and the mares are about to foal again and there are some weanlings/yearlings left over from the previous crop. Usually they'll offer some deals because they need the room.
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Location: OH | Also, color sells. If you do not care about color or flash you can sometimes get a deal on a straight sorrel or bay. I LOVE EM---but I swear, people will walk past the nicest little bay in the pasture and be drawn to the color. Here is a little bay filly that I considered one of my best---she never sold and now I have decided to just keep her and guide her career myself. She represents 20 years of our breeding program---4th generation. This is her last fall as a yearling.
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Location: SW MO | scwebster - 2018-12-28 11:06 AM
I follow breeders pages and wait until they get full and the mares are about to foal again and there are some weanlings/yearlings left over from the previous crop. Usually they'll offer some deals because they need the room.
This is more along the lines of what I meant. Of course own sons or daughters are going to be more expensive. But there are deals out there, I was just curious how some go about it. I usually buy 3 and up but I want to buy younger in 2019. I’m tired of fixing older horses lol |
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| Truthfully, I have always had super well bred horses just sort of fall into my lap, and the same goes for my husband. It's been sort of a "right place at the right time" kind of thing.
I agree with watching breeder's websites/pages and keeping your eyes and ears open to what they have going on. I have gotten a few of my best horses from breeders that were selling out due to medical issues and were given amazing deals on those horses. My husband has had the fortune to come across some very well bred prospects and started horses in his line of work, and it just so happened the owners were looking to sell (softly.. sort of a "to the right person" thing).
We haven't had to "actively look" for any of our horses, but somehow we always seem to find exactly what we are looking for and in our price range. |
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I like to think my horses are nicely breed. I just keep a savings account so when I get offred or stumble across thoes "deals of a lifetime" I can jump on it like my he's a peptospoonful / freckles playboy she had lost an eye as a yearling dosent bother me or her a darn bit. |
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| Anyone care to share recommendations to breeders pages to watch? Who is reputable etc. Thank you |
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Location: SW MO | KSC - 2018-12-28 12:25 PM
Anyone care to share recommendations to breeders pages to watch? Who is reputable etc. Thank you
Agreed. Would also like to know! |
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| KSC - 2018-12-28 12:25 PM
Anyone care to share recommendations to breeders pages to watch? Who is reputable etc. Thank you
Mighty Broke is a very well respected breeder. Has very nice horses who are bred well.
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| KSC - 2018-12-28 12:25 PM Anyone care to share recommendations to breeders pages to watch? Who is reputable etc. Thank you
Some on Facebook:
Robyn Herring Owner of FWOTR
Bryel Mulligan Owner of Lions Share of Fame
Joleen Hales - Streakin Ta Fame, Perks Alive, Rare Bar
The facebook page of Fiestas Gotta Gun
Trena Greer - Greer Quarter Horses
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Location: SW MO | Thank you! Great ideas |
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| Thanks all. Which is Mighty broke's page?
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Location: OH | KSC - 2018-12-28 2:19 PM Thanks all. Which is Mighty broke's page?
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Hoppel Farms
PC Frosty Jay Jay
PC Lonewood Special
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Location: "Si Fi" Ville | I highly recommend Pitts Quarter Horses. They are super nice rodeo family and oh man do I love their horses. |
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| I'd rather pay more money and get what I want rather than less for something I don't want. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | scwebster - 2018-12-28 1:49 PM
KSC - 2018-12-28 12:25 PM Anyone care to share recommendations to breeders pages to watch? Who is reputable etc. Thank you Some on Facebook: Robyn Herring Owner of FWOTR
Bryel Mulligan Owner of Lions Share of Fame
Joleen Hales - Streakin Ta Fame, Perks Alive, Rare Bar
The facebook page of Fiestas Gotta Gun
Trena Greer - Greer Quarter Horses
Jolene owns Streaking Ta Fame.
I only point this out because there is also a Streakin Ta Fame. |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | 3canstorun - 2018-12-28 7:11 PM
scwebster - 2018-12-28 1:49 PM
KSC - 2018-12-28 12:25 PM Anyone care to share recommendations to breeders pages to watch? Who is reputable etc. Thank you Some on Facebook: Robyn Herring Owner of FWOTR
Bryel Mulligan Owner of Lions Share of Fame
Joleen Hales - Streakin Ta Fame, Perks Alive, Rare Bar
The facebook page of Fiestas Gotta Gun
Trena Greer - Greer Quarter Horses
Jolene owns Streaking Ta Fame.
I only point this out because there is also a Streakin Ta Fame.
CrossBones Barrel horses
Western 37 of course
and if im allowed to toot my own horn, Royal J Performance Horses.
I breed to almost all outside studs and focus on Race track, barrels and roping. (primarily barrel prospects)
All of our foals sold this year except 1. So we had a nice season. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | We try to buy really nice broodmares and breed one or 2 to outside stallions. I only keep one at most to ride each year and we have been getting a lot of fillies (I prefer geldings) so most we raise we sell. I have 2 coming next year by The Kandyman out of an Ivory James daughter and by Guys Piece Ofthe Pie out of a Special Leader daughter. We stand a young son of Firewater Finale and used him on our other mares-First Wrangler, Coronas Leaving You, VF Burrs Eye. |
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Location: Texas | Well, I personally breed them myself for the most part. We lucked into having some nice mares that we competed on and retired. Then we started to breed them. Our first crop that we kept was from 2014. There is no way I could afford to buy the horse I have now if I didn't raise her from the ground up.
Most of our babies we sell in the 5000-9000 range. Totally doable to find something that can be a contender for that price range as a weanling/yearling. 2YO gets tougher because they are about ready or are already broke. Weanlings we sell for the cheapest because you still have so much time to wait and feed them.. But if we have them by the time they are yearlings we don't negotiate as much. Just me personally.
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| There are a bunch, but I wont be blasting them all over the internet for others to find.
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | Word of mouth... When we are ready to start looking we just let a lot of people know what we are looking for. We have bought two of the nicest mares we own that way for A LOT less then they are worth. We bought them both from friends, one was getting ready to adopt a baby and needed to cut back and the others her parents were going through a divorce and needed to downsize as well.
Just bought back a mare I sold for 10 years ago for a lot less than what I sold her for and she will hopefully be bred this year, stacking up on our mare power so we can breed for nice babies. |
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Location: OH. IO | Disregard
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Location: So Cal | Keep your eyes out and know what you like... My great find was on an ad where the owners took horrible pictures, didn't bother to write up a good ad, and lived a little far from everywhere. I kept watching the ad and saw the price drop, had a feeling and flew 3 hours and then drove 4 to find a horse that was WAY nicer than their photos made her look! ;) |
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Location: Desert Land | Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2018-12-30 2:57 PM 3canstorun - 2018-12-28 7:11 PM scwebster - 2018-12-28 1:49 PM KSC - 2018-12-28 12:25 PM Anyone care to share recommendations to breeders pages to watch? Who is reputable etc. Thank you
Some on Facebook:
Robyn Herring Owner of FWOTR
Bryel Mulligan Owner of Lions Share of Fame
Joleen Hales - Streakin Ta Fame, Perks Alive, Rare Bar
The facebook page of Fiestas Gotta Gun
Trena Greer - Greer Quarter Horses Jolene owns Streaking Ta Fame. I only point this out because there is also a Streakin Ta Fame. of course and if im allowed to toot my own horn, Royal J Performance Horses. I breed to almost all outside studs and focus on Race track, barrels and roping. (primarily barrel prospects ) All of our foals sold this year except 1. So we had a nice season.
Thank you for the shout-out! You've got some really nice mares and babies as well. I know you put a lot of thought in to what you do.
I try really hard to produce nice prospects at a reasonable price. If you're in the market, please check out Crossbones Barrel Horses on Facebook.
Also, Western 37 Barrel Horse prospects is a great program and Shannon always has nice prospects for sale. She is the sweetest, most honest, down to earth person you will ever meet. We're working on getting her Facebook and website updated. |
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Location: Desert Land | My advice is to try to buy a weanling or yearling. Of course you have to feed them and keep them alive longer before you can start them, but it will be much cheaper than trying to buy a 2 year old that's ready to start.
There are deals to be had sometimes, but beware of an own son or daughter of a name brand stallion for sale cheap. More often than not, there is a reason why it's cheap. Of course there are the occassional fire sale situation where someone really needs the money though, so have an open mind but remember to do your homework. |
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Location: NE TX | I am on a super strict budget, like I sit down every 6 weeks and plan my next 3 pay checks out.
Last year I purchased a foal that was still baking at the time that was my dream bloodlines and now I will just have to wait till 2022 to see what he can do. It is a long wait and a lot of time and my first time owning one younger than 4, but I am excited about the future and now planning on saving for a larger truck then larger trailer same way I did for him. I googled savings plans and found one that worked for me where you check off every week a certain amount and I saved over $5000 in a year doing that. It was slow but I did it. |
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| I have limited land, and after breeding for one, and putting the time and money into a horse that was just not athletic enough for what we wanted we don't really go for babies.
I prefer to look for prospects that are broke to ride, haven't really been hauled, and I season them. That way if they aren't what I am looking for I didn't put so many years into getting them there. From there if I sell them, then I take that money and buy "up" or put it towards better quality tack, LQ etc.
My best deal was for the horse that my screen name is. I bought a $500 cow stud that had never been touched. He was my first barrel horse. Sold him for $10,000, and bought a free runner Perks Alive prospect, that I have learned just about everything on. I took the difference of that money and put it towards our barn or some other bill (can't remember now).
I wish I could drop more on a horse, but being a teacher the money just isn't there. |
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