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Location: Bastrop, Texas | “Why do wealthy politicians build walls, fences and gates around their homes? They don't build walls because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside."
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| I love the idea of a wall, but building a wall without fixing the immigration system is incomplete. They must do both, at the same time. Ag needs imigrants, America needs imigrants, but we need good immigrants. The Dems say the wall is immoral, but allowing these "mexicans" to take on tremendous risk and cost just for a chance to get accross the boarder is immoral. It cost them about $9,000/ person to have the coyotes get them accross the boarder, IF they live through the process. The system is broken and the POL's must fix it. | |
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Location: N Texas | I'm genuinely curious how the Democrats are going to secure the border without a wall. If it's that easy, why haven't they done it yet? | |
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Location: CTX | Not to mention prisons..... do inmates just stay out of the goodness of their heart???? | |
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| I have a few friends that have come here legally.. they all say the same thing...its not that hard. You follow the rules, give the information requested and once approved you take classes. The ones trying to come in illegally are ruining it for others that want to do it the right way. We are spending all our resources trying to keep illegals out and far less resources approving the ones that are trying to do it right. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Whiteboy - 2019-01-09 2:06 PM
I love the idea of a wall, but building a wall without fixing the immigration system is incomplete. They must do both, at the same time. Ag needs imigrants, America needs imigrants, but we need good immigrants. The Dems say the wall is immoral, but allowing these "mexicans" to take on tremendous risk and cost just for a chance to get accross the boarder is immoral. It cost them about $9,000/ person to have the coyotes get them accross the boarder, IF they live through the process. The system is broken and the POL's must fix it.
Nobody is suggesting the wall, in and of itself, is the only solution.
We need several improvements. By and large, both sides agree with those improvements.
The wall/barrier is the only sticking point. The only reason the Dems are opposed is because this is a big agenda item for Trump. Everyone knows this.
Estimates on the cost of illegal immigration vary widely. Even using the most conservative estimates, when you consider the cost of various social services, it’s not hard at all to see how Mexico will pay for that wall in just a few years, even if it only reduces illegal immigration by a very modest amount. Trump knows this. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Gunner11 - 2019-01-09 2:16 PM
I'm genuinely curious how the Democrats are going to secure the border without a wall. If it's that easy, why haven't they done it yet?
Drones, my dear, drones. That way the Democrats can add up all their new constituents as they stream across the border. | |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Whiteboy - 2019-01-08 3:06 PM
I love the idea of a wall, but building a wall without fixing the immigration system is incomplete. They must do both, at the same time. Ag needs imigrants, America needs imigrants, but we need good immigrants. The Dems say the wall is immoral, but allowing these "mexicans" to take on tremendous risk and cost just for a chance to get accross the boarder is immoral. It cost them about $9,000/ person to have the coyotes get them accross the boarder, IF they live through the process. The system is broken and the POL's must fix it.
Unfortunately as it is NO ONE will work together......Trump ask Pelosi if he gave her what she wanted would she give him the wall.......her answer NO...........bottom line she wants to take Trump down.......no matter what.... | |
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middle income family lives in a gated subdivision surrounded by a wall. People want to make sure they’re protected. It’s a concept that shouldn’t be that hard to understand. | |
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Location: South Dakota | kbug - 2019-01-09 3:34 PM I have a few friends that have come here legally.. they all say the same thing...its not that hard. You follow the rules, give the information requested and once approved you take classes. The ones trying to come in illegally are ruining it for others that want to do it the right way. We are spending all our resources trying to keep illegals out and far less resources approving the ones that are trying to do it right.
I am a Canadian and have my Permanent Resident card (Green Card)... I married a great American guy, and becoming legal, is not a easy process. Many forms to fill out, that are not that easy to fill out, actually hired a immigration lawyer to help us get it right. The fees alone through the whole process, were over 2000. I have often thought, the whole process, should be simpler, and more affordable. I just renewed my Green Card, for another 10 years, and it cost just under 500. | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Bear - 2019-01-09 2:49 PM
Gunner11 - 2019-01-09 2:16 PM
I'm genuinely curious how the Democrats are going to secure the border without a wall. If it's that easy, why haven't they done it yet?
Drones, my dear, drones. That way the Democrats can add up all their new constituents as they stream across the border.
Drones don't do anything except show them crossing the border. This guy talks about drones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zL7_NT1ObY
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| Vicky Stewart President Donald Trump’s Tuesday night Oval Office address on border security sparked anger among many celebrities, who vented their anger and frustrations on Twitter. Singers, actors, comedians and entertainers – including Cher, Bette Midler, Mia Farrow, Seth MacFarlane, Rose McGowan, Michael Ian Black and Kathy Griffin – joined the chorus of critical tweets leveled at Trump, who used his speech to repeat multiple falsehoods about immigration. funny how all of them have security wall bobyguard or you have to pay to hear sinng double standard i reckon if your rich as opposed to middle class | |
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| I live in a high-rise condo. in the middle of downtown Houston. A few years ago the "homeless" began amassing here, camping on the sidewalks, littering, breaking into cars, etc. Many of them are illegal aliens. Because of an injunction filed by the A.C.L.U., law enforcement has been powerless to get them off the street. Late one afternoon I came in from an appointment and was in the kitchen making a cup of coffee. I heard a crash on the balcony, sounding of broken flowerpots and things being overturned. As I looked around the drapery, there stood a person preparing to try to break into our unit. When he realized I was holding a handgun he jumped from my balcony to my neighbor's balcony and missed, falling from the 10th floor to the concrete deck on the 6th floor, shattering both legs (they were later amputated) and breaking his back. Well...it was determined that the was an illegal, deported numerous times, with a prolific criminal history. And I thought we were safe on the 10th floor.
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Location: Ky | If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM
If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn.
I love fresh meat, especially when it is flavored with your brand of liberal logic, jd&ez.
If tall ladders was the answer to walls, please explain to me why more and more countries are putting up walls and barriers. Nobody is claiming it will stop all illegals from entering, whether it’s via tunnels, ladders, or hang gliders.
People like you, jd&ez, and other critics of the border wall are more uninformed than the president they dispute if they believe Trump’s proposal is inconsistent with international norms.
Answer me this......why have so many Democrats voted for walls and barriers in the past? Hmmmm?
Every year, more countries resort to walls after more liberal policies fail. Look it up.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-border-wall-is-standard-pr... | |
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| jd&ez - 2019-01-09 8:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn.
doo you live in a house do you have a barn do u have windows do people come in uninvited? | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn.
I think this is a funny post, but really are you serious?? I have never ever seen a mexican in Mexico carry around a 30 foot ladder,, this is a new one, ha ha ha ha.. I'll have to tell my inlaws about this one if I can remember the next time I see them, thanks for the funny post, I needed to laugh a little, ha ha ha .. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:40 PM
jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn.
I think this is a funny post, but really are you serious?? I have never ever seen a mexican in Mexico carry around a 30 foot ladder,, this is a new one, ha ha ha ha.. I'll have to tell my inlaws about this one if I can remember the next time I see them, thanks for the funny post, I needed to laugh a little, ha ha ha ..
I can just picture it now...caravans from Central America hauling 30 foot ladders across Mexico. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear - 2019-01-09 8:48 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:40 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I think this is a funny post, but really are you serious?? I have never ever seen a mexican in Mexico carry around a 30 foot ladder,, this is a new one, ha ha ha ha.. I'll have to tell my inlaws about this one if I can remember the next time I see them, thanks for the funny post, I needed to laugh a little, ha ha ha .. I can just picture it now...caravans from Central America hauling 30 foot ladders across Mexico.
This is sooo freaking funny, I have never in my life living on the border have I ever seen a mexican coming across the Rio Grande river carry a 30 foot ladder with them, this is so darn funny, ha ha ha ha ha..Are them carring a 30 foot ladder across no mans land to put up against something so they can cross over, do you know how heavy a 30 foot ladder is?? I dont think its going to fit into a backpack, lol.. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear - 2019-01-09 8:48 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:40 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I think this is a funny post, but really are you serious?? I have never ever seen a mexican in Mexico carry around a 30 foot ladder,, this is a new one, ha ha ha ha.. I'll have to tell my inlaws about this one if I can remember the next time I see them, thanks for the funny post, I needed to laugh a little, ha ha ha .. I can just picture it now...caravans from Central America hauling 30 foot ladders across Mexico.
I'm sorry still laughing, I think this is the funnest post ever, I love it!!! Oh and on the backhoe what does a back hoe have to do with anything: jd&ez??  | |
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| Whiteboy - 2019-01-09 2:06 PM
I love the idea of a wall, but building a wall without fixing the immigration system is incomplete. They must do both, at the same time. Ag needs imigrants, America needs imigrants, but we need good immigrants. The Dems say the wall is immoral, but allowing these "mexicans" to take on tremendous risk and cost just for a chance to get accross the boarder is immoral. It cost them about $9,000/ person to have the coyotes get them accross the boarder, IF they live through the process. The system is broken and the POL's must fix it.
We need immigrants... But we need Legal immigrants not illegal immigrants. | |
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Location: Kansas | WetSaddleBlankets - 2019-01-10 5:07 AM Whiteboy - 2019-01-09 2:06 PM I love the idea of a wall, but building a wall without fixing the immigration system is incomplete. They must do both, at the same time. Ag needs imigrants, America needs imigrants, but we need good immigrants. The Dems say the wall is immoral, but allowing these "mexicans" to take on tremendous risk and cost just for a chance to get accross the boarder is immoral. It cost them about $9,000/ person to have the coyotes get them accross the boarder, IF they live through the process. The system is broken and the POL's must fix it. We need immigrants... But we need Legal immigrants not illegal immigrants.
A new caravan is forming in Central American. I just saw the flyer on FOX (not that I could read it as it's in Hispanic). Evidently it tells them where to gather and take it from there. This is a great plan for any enemy of the U.S. (or Dems) as it's working in Europe. Fill a country with useless and dangerous immigrants and bury the host country in debt and crime. As if we weren't already there. Mexico says they're going to try to stop this caravan at their Southern border but we all know how that worked out with the last one. | |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:54 PM Bear - 2019-01-09 8:48 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:40 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I think this is a funny post, but really are you serious?? I have never ever seen a mexican in Mexico carry around a 30 foot ladder,, this is a new one, ha ha ha ha.. I'll have to tell my inlaws about this one if I can remember the next time I see them, thanks for the funny post, I needed to laugh a little, ha ha ha .. I can just picture it now...caravans from Central America hauling 30 foot ladders across Mexico.
Yes...you live on the Boarder and know something about the issue. I think, if I read the profile correctly, jd&ez lives in Kentucky. So, I am so sure he knows a lot about living on the Boarder and dealing with all the crap that comes with it. I just love it when people live in northern states and discuss the 'morality' of a wall. It is just too funny...and actually kind of sad as they know nothing of what they are speaking of. | |
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Location: Ky | Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:58 PM Bear - 2019-01-09 8:48 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:40 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I think this is a funny post, but really are you serious?? I have never ever seen a mexican in Mexico carry around a 30 foot ladder,, this is a new one, ha ha ha ha.. I'll have to tell my inlaws about this one if I can remember the next time I see them, thanks for the funny post, I needed to laugh a little, ha ha ha .. I can just picture it now...caravans from Central America hauling 30 foot ladders across Mexico.
The backhoes are for the tunnels.
Do you not believe they will tunnel under the wall from Mexico?
Of course they won't. Trump and Faux News says they won't. Just like they will pay for the wall in the first place.
That's the truly funny stuff in all of this.
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Location: Kansas | jd&ez - 2019-01-10 6:19 AM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:58 PM Bear - 2019-01-09 8:48 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:40 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I think this is a funny post, but really are you serious?? I have never ever seen a mexican in Mexico carry around a 30 foot ladder,, this is a new one, ha ha ha ha.. I'll have to tell my inlaws about this one if I can remember the next time I see them, thanks for the funny post, I needed to laugh a little, ha ha ha .. I can just picture it now...caravans from Central America hauling 30 foot ladders across Mexico.
Do you not believe they will tunnel under the wall from Mexico?
Of course they won't. Trump and Faux News says they won't. Just like they will pay for the wall in the first place.
That's the truly funny stuff in all of this.
Edited by Frodo 2019-01-10 6:36 AM
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Location: Ky | Bear - 2019-01-09 8:34 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I love fresh meat, especially when it is flavored with your brand of liberal logic, jd&ez. If tall ladders was the answer to walls, please explain to me why more and more countries are putting up walls and barriers. Nobody is claiming it will stop all illegals from entering, whether it’s via tunnels, ladders, or hang gliders. People like you, jd&ez, and other critics of the border wall are more uninformed than the president they dispute if they believe Trump’s proposal is inconsistent with international norms. Answer me this......why have so many Democrats voted for walls and barriers in the past? Hmmmm? Every year, more countries resort to walls after more liberal policies fail. Look it up. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-border-wall-is-standard-pr...You don't know anything about me. You just start with the name calling as usual because you have nothing else.
I would bet than I'm more conserative than you are. Just because I don't get my idea from Faux news does not mean that you have a clue.
You want to make jokes about them not carying around ladders. Well no shat! But to think that the smugglers won't have ladders at the ready is incredulously naive. Buit if Faux News don't say it, it ain't happening.
And while most illegal immigration doesn't come border crossing, it comes from overstaying visas, I'm not opposed to the wall. We waste far money that the wall's cost as it is. So why not at least get something from wasted money? It could be like a modern day WPA. Put americans to work building the wall. Buy american made materials and crwate those jobs.
Trump will probably use illegals for construction and use foreign materials but that won't matter to the Faux News lemmings.
As for the principal of wanting a wall it's all about politics. But Trump won the election so congress should fund what he wants and what he promised. That's the perks of winning. As long as the president is not proposing something illegal or immoral then he should get it. The people spoke when they elected him. I'm that way with either party.
Same thing on judicial nominees. As long as something doesn't come up in the vetting process that would disqualify them the senate should approve the President's choice. That again is a perk of winning. People should take into consideration what kind of nominees that candidate would put forth if given the chance. If the people fail to do that and then vote for them anyway then shame on them.
I don't like the shape he is molding of the SC but it's his right. I knew this is what he would do and I would think most voters knew it too. He won! We have to live with that.
The posturing from both sides over this wall is ridiculous. Of course Mexico was never going to pay for it. Anyone with even half a brain had to know that.
So I say STFU and let him have his wall. Hopefully we get some good out of it. Curbing illegal immigration won't be one of those things. Edited by jd&ez 2019-01-10 6:46 AM
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Location: southeast Texas | jd&ez - 2019-01-10 6:44 AM Bear - 2019-01-09 8:34 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I love fresh meat, especially when it is flavored with your brand of liberal logic, jd&ez. If tall ladders was the answer to walls, please explain to me why more and more countries are putting up walls and barriers. Nobody is claiming it will stop all illegals from entering, whether it’s via tunnels, ladders, or hang gliders. People like you, jd&ez, and other critics of the border wall are more uninformed than the president they dispute if they believe Trump’s proposal is inconsistent with international norms. Answer me this......why have so many Democrats voted for walls and barriers in the past? Hmmmm? Every year, more countries resort to walls after more liberal policies fail. Look it up. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-border-wall-is-standard-pr...You don't know anything about me. You just start with the name calling as usual because you have nothing else.
I would bet than I'm more conserative than you are. Just because I don't get my idea from Faux news does not mean that you have a clue.
You want to make jokes about them not carying around ladders. Well no shat! But to think that the smugglers won't have ladders at the ready is incredulously naive. Buit if Faux News don't say it, it ain't happening.
And while most illegal immigration doesn't come border crossing, it comes from overstaying visas, I'm not opposed to the wall. We waste far money that the wall's cost as it is. So why not at least get something from wasted money? It could be like a modern day WPA. Put americans to work building the wall. Buy american made materials and crwate those jobs.
Trump will probably use illegals for construction and use foreign materials but that won't matter to the Faux News lemmings.
As for the principal of wanting a wall it's all about politics. But Trump won the election so congress should fund what he wants and what he promised. That's the perks of winning. As long as the president is not proposing something illegal or immoral then he should get it. The people spoke when they elected him. I'm that way with either party.
Same thing on judicial nominees. As long as something doesn't come up in the vetting process that would disqualify them the senate should approve the President's choice. That again is a perk of winning. People should take into consideration what kind of nominees that candidate would put forth if given the chance. If the people fail to do that and then vote for them anyway then shame on them.
I don't like the shape he is molding of the SC but it's his right. I knew this is what he would do and I would think most voters knew it too. He won! We have to live with that.
The posturing from both sides over this wall is ridiculous. Of course Mexico was never going to pay for it. Anyone with even half a brain had to know that.
So I say STFU and let him have his wall. Hopefully we get some good out of it. Curbing illegal immigration won't be one of those things.
Small holes can be managed, but titanic type holes, well you know the history on that one. Edited by roxieannie 2019-01-10 7:21 AM
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Location: Weatherford, TX | jd&ez - 2019-01-10 6:44 AM Bear - 2019-01-09 8:34 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I love fresh meat, especially when it is flavored with your brand of liberal logic, jd&ez. If tall ladders was the answer to walls, please explain to me why more and more countries are putting up walls and barriers. Nobody is claiming it will stop all illegals from entering, whether it’s via tunnels, ladders, or hang gliders. People like you, jd&ez, and other critics of the border wall are more uninformed than the president they dispute if they believe Trump’s proposal is inconsistent with international norms. Answer me this......why have so many Democrats voted for walls and barriers in the past? Hmmmm? Every year, more countries resort to walls after more liberal policies fail. Look it up. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-border-wall-is-standard-pr...You don't know anything about me. You just start with the name calling as usual because you have nothing else.
I would bet than I'm more conserative than you are. Just because I don't get my idea from Faux news does not mean that you have a clue.
You want to make jokes about them not carying around ladders. Well no shat! But to think that the smugglers won't have ladders at the ready is incredulously naive. Buit if Faux News don't say it, it ain't happening.
And while most illegal immigration doesn't come border crossing, it comes from overstaying visas, I'm not opposed to the wall. We waste far money that the wall's cost as it is. So why not at least get something from wasted money? It could be like a modern day WPA. Put americans to work building the wall. Buy american made materials and crwate those jobs.
Trump will probably use illegals for construction and use foreign materials but that won't matter to the Faux News lemmings.
As for the principal of wanting a wall it's all about politics. But Trump won the election so congress should fund what he wants and what he promised. That's the perks of winning. As long as the president is not proposing something illegal or immoral then he should get it. The people spoke when they elected him. I'm that way with either party.
Same thing on judicial nominees. As long as something doesn't come up in the vetting process that would disqualify them the senate should approve the President's choice. That again is a perk of winning. People should take into consideration what kind of nominees that candidate would put forth if given the chance. If the people fail to do that and then vote for them anyway then shame on them.
I don't like the shape he is molding of the SC but it's his right. I knew this is what he would do and I would think most voters knew it too. He won! We have to live with that.
The posturing from both sides over this wall is ridiculous. Of course Mexico was never going to pay for it. Anyone with even half a brain had to know that.
So I say STFU and let him have his wall. Hopefully we get some good out of it. Curbing illegal immigration won't be one of those things.
However, just stop with the repetitive ''faux' news comments. I am not a 'toothless' or 'deplorable' Trump supporter. The other MSNBC, CNN and the networks aren't? Really? I watch the other many networks too and DVR them, much to the bewilderedment of my husband. I watch and tape 'Morning Joe' for heavens sake! Three hours of Trump bashing there on any subject. But, I listen. I like to be informed on all issues/opinions. Do YOU do that? The crap this President has taken is off the charts. We stood by under 8 years of actual policy crap from Obama and didn't say much...because if you did, you were declared 'racist' and a 'bigot'. Really big argument there. Obama was half white too. I totally disagreed with his actual policy and the way this country should go. This crap of 'identity' politics has to go. The 'division' that they blame on Trump, started a while ago. Nothing was said about it.
Lets just face it...Obama wanted a wall, Bill and Hillary did, Schumer and Pelosi did too back as early as 2014/2015. Now that this Preisdent does, they don't. It is political...big time. Anything Trump does, they oppose. That is their only platform.
Do you like open boarders or 'not the US, but North America' as Pelosi has said? Or, maybe you like Alexandra from the Bronx. She is the future of the Democratic Party. Keep going that way and we will end up like Venezuela. I do not want that. They (Mexicans or OTMs or caravans) will not have 30ft ladders. if you lived down here, you might understand some of what you speak of. Stay safe in KY...until it might be 'at a theater near you'. Maybe then, when it affects you, you might have some understanding and say something of use. Edited by Gator Bug 2019-01-10 9:45 AM
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Location: Weatherford, TX | JD&EZ...
The more I thought about it... You just might be right.
Maybe we should be just 'MORALLY' right as Alexandra from the Bronx said (I hope you saw 60 Minutes this week)....Let's just let ANY PERSON in from ANY country, no questions asked. If ILLEGALS are okay, then just open the boarders to anyone. Why discriminate and just let Mexicans and OTMs in inlegally or undocumented? Why should just Mexico and OTMs have 'special privileges' to our Boarder? Because they are in North America?
Nah, then if we did that, then there would be 'discrimination' against other countries. We can go with the 'open boarder' theory and...Let's just let in ALL illegals in from Syria, Iran, Africa, etc.. Unchecked! Why should Mexico and all the other OTMs get all the fun and benefits; just because they are North American?! Nah....Let's EVERYONE in..unchecked. Isn't that the compassionate thing to do?!
I really truly hope you get my sarcasm.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jd&ez - 2019-01-10 6:44 AM
Bear - 2019-01-09 8:34 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I love fresh meat, especially when it is flavored with your brand of liberal logic, jd&ez. If tall ladders was the answer to walls, please explain to me why more and more countries are putting up walls and barriers. Nobody is claiming it will stop all illegals from entering, whether it’s via tunnels, ladders, or hang gliders. People like you, jd&ez, and other critics of the border wall are more uninformed than the president they dispute if they believe Trump’s proposal is inconsistent with international norms. Answer me this......why have so many Democrats voted for walls and barriers in the past? Hmmmm? Every year, more countries resort to walls after more liberal policies fail. Look it up. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-border-wall-is-standard-pr...You don't know anything about me. You just start with the name calling as usual because you have nothing else.
I would bet than I'm more conserative than you are. Just because I don't get my idea from Faux news does not mean that you have a clue.
You want to make jokes about them not carying around ladders. Well no shat! But to think that the smugglers won't have ladders at the ready is incredulously naive. Buit if Faux News don't say it, it ain't happening.
And while most illegal immigration doesn't come border crossing, it comes from overstaying visas, I'm not opposed to the wall. We waste far money that the wall's cost as it is. So why not at least get something from wasted money? It could be like a modern day WPA. Put americans to work building the wall. Buy american made materials and crwate those jobs.
Trump will probably use illegals for construction and use foreign materials but that won't matter to the Faux News lemmings.
As for the principal of wanting a wall it's all about politics. But Trump won the election so congress should fund what he wants and what he promised. That's the perks of winning. As long as the president is not proposing something illegal or immoral then he should get it. The people spoke when they elected him. I'm that way with either party.
Same thing on judicial nominees. As long as something doesn't come up in the vetting process that would disqualify them the senate should approve the President's choice. That again is a perk of winning. People should take into consideration what kind of nominees that candidate would put forth if given the chance. If the people fail to do that and then vote for them anyway then shame on them.
I don't like the shape he is molding of the SC but it's his right. I knew this is what he would do and I would think most voters knew it too. He won! We have to live with that.
The posturing from both sides over this wall is ridiculous. Of course Mexico was never going to pay for it. Anyone with even half a brain had to know that.
So I say STFU and let him have his wall. Hopefully we get some good out of it. Curbing illegal immigration won't be one of those things.
Jd&ez, I swear you just throw random sh!t out there without thinking.
First of all, big fella, where did I call you a name? Unless labeling you a “liberal” is a perjorative. I should think you would be proud to be called a liberal, since you have called yourself a “Yellow Dog Democrat” for as long as I’ve been on this board. A “Yellow Dog Democrat” is one who votes Democrat across the board, regardless of their stances or agenda. Their loyalty is entirely to the party, not principle. There is no such thing as a “conservative Democrat” anymore. There are no conservative Democrats in Congress anymore. Those days died a long time ago. It could be you are one of those old southern Democrats.....like the ones who were pro-segregationists back in the 60s. It’s hilarious for you to assume that you are more conservative than me.
You say Trump’s wanting a wall is not based on principle, rather, it’s all about politics.
I say the op position to the wall is purely politically motivated. The Democrats are the ones who blew with the winds of political expediency. They are the ones who changed.
They are the ones who were once in favor of Trump’s immigration policies, including walls/barriers. All Trump is doing is carrying through with his agenda and the promises which got him elected. He’s delivering more than any president in history, item by item.
I also profoundly disagree with your view that presidents ought to be granted whatever they want by congress. That would be more totalitarian, but I suppose that’s more to your liking. The President should fight for his agenda, but CONGRESS is the legislative branch. Your claim that they should give him what he wants is profoundly ridiculous.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | jd&ez - 2019-01-10 6:19 AM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:58 PM Bear - 2019-01-09 8:48 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:40 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I think this is a funny post, but really are you serious?? I have never ever seen a mexican in Mexico carry around a 30 foot ladder,, this is a new one, ha ha ha ha.. I'll have to tell my inlaws about this one if I can remember the next time I see them, thanks for the funny post, I needed to laugh a little, ha ha ha .. I can just picture it now...caravans from Central America hauling 30 foot ladders across Mexico.
Do you not believe they will tunnel under the wall from Mexico?
Of course they won't. Trump and Faux News says they won't. Just like they will pay for the wall in the first place.
That's the truly funny stuff in all of this.
Theres tunnels dug all the time along the mexican border walls, but they dont use backhoes..Goodness where do you get your information? LOL, now we got illegals carrying around 30 foot ladders and driving their backhoes up to the walls to either dig their way or climb their way into the US..What about the ones that cross the river, what do you suggest they use, they can float the river and some places in the river they can wade across, but since you know so much what should they be using to cross the river?? | |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-10 10:15 AM jd&ez - 2019-01-10 6:19 AM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:58 PM Bear - 2019-01-09 8:48 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:40 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I think this is a funny post, but really are you serious?? I have never ever seen a mexican in Mexico carry around a 30 foot ladder,, this is a new one, ha ha ha ha.. I'll have to tell my inlaws about this one if I can remember the next time I see them, thanks for the funny post, I needed to laugh a little, ha ha ha .. I can just picture it now...caravans from Central America hauling 30 foot ladders across Mexico.
Do you not believe they will tunnel under the wall from Mexico?
Of course they won't. Trump and Faux News says they won't. Just like they will pay for the wall in the first place.
That's the truly funny stuff in all of this.
JD&EZ.....Exactly. Since/If you don't want to answer my two posts...Yes... what exactly do YOU suggest...if they are going to use 30ft ladders and backhoes to get through a Wall? Really?! What is your suggestion to the problem or do you think it is a 'manufactured crisis'?!
Again, do you think the Wall is 'immoral'? Why not just let ANYONE come in from ANY country, why just let Mexicans and other 'Americans' come in from the South? That is not fair and very discriminate! What is 'fair share' to you? Let anyone in?!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Gator Bug - 2019-01-10 10:26 AM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-10 10:15 AM jd&ez - 2019-01-10 6:19 AM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:58 PM Bear - 2019-01-09 8:48 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:40 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I think this is a funny post, but really are you serious?? I have never ever seen a mexican in Mexico carry around a 30 foot ladder,, this is a new one, ha ha ha ha.. I'll have to tell my inlaws about this one if I can remember the next time I see them, thanks for the funny post, I needed to laugh a little, ha ha ha .. I can just picture it now...caravans from Central America hauling 30 foot ladders across Mexico.
Do you not believe they will tunnel under the wall from Mexico?
Of course they won't. Trump and Faux News says they won't. Just like they will pay for the wall in the first place.
That's the truly funny stuff in all of this.
JD&EZ.....Exactly. Since/If you don't want to answer my two posts...Yes... what exactly do YOU suggest if they are going to use 30ft ladders and backhoes to get through a Wall? Really?! What is your suggestion to the problem or do you think it is 'manufactured crisis'?!
Having a completed wall will not keep them all out, they will always find a way to get over or under but its a start to keeping our border safe and secure.. And slow the flow of illegals down along with the drug cartels..Theres already places with walls/barrers up just got to finished it out. | |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-10 10:40 AM Gator Bug - 2019-01-10 10:26 AM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-10 10:15 AM jd&ez - 2019-01-10 6:19 AM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:58 PM Bear - 2019-01-09 8:48 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:40 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I think this is a funny post, but really are you serious?? I have never ever seen a mexican in Mexico carry around a 30 foot ladder,, this is a new one, ha ha ha ha.. I'll have to tell my inlaws about this one if I can remember the next time I see them, thanks for the funny post, I needed to laugh a little, ha ha ha .. I can just picture it now...caravans from Central America hauling 30 foot ladders across Mexico.
Do you not believe they will tunnel under the wall from Mexico?
Of course they won't. Trump and Faux News says they won't. Just like they will pay for the wall in the first place.
That's the truly funny stuff in all of this.
JD&EZ.....Exactly. Since/If you don't want to answer my two posts...Yes... what exactly do YOU suggest if they are going to use 30ft ladders and backhoes to get through a Wall? Really?! What is your suggestion to the problem or do you think it is 'manufactured crisis'?!
Just go ahead and actually read about/ask Israel...or MAYBE just...ask our Southern Boarder Control Agents.
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Location: Southeastern Idaho | When I was 22 I was visiting a friend in Mesa Arizona, 1993. Leaving his home at about 10:00 pm(I had my little sister with me as well), we were T-Boned by a drunk illegal at a major intersection. 2 great people stopped, one to make sure we got help and the other followed the person that hit us to his home and called the cops. Long story short, the person that hit us was illegal...did not have insurance...so my family was on the hook for a hospital visit as well as a totaled car. I am ALL for immigration...but you better come in through a door and become a contributing citizen of the best nation on the planet. If the boarder patrol wants fencing...give them fencing...if they want technology..give them technology. This problem has been going on far too long and we need to get it fixed now.
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How Congress Prevented Border Fence Law's Implementation
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Border: Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, pointed to a 2006 law requiring 700 miles of double-layer border fencing. Unfortunately, in 2007 another Texas Republican helped the Democrat Congress change that.
Presidential candidate Ted Cruz told Fox's Sean Hannity, "Existing federal law is quite robust" on border security, and "There should be 700 miles of double-layer fencing built along our southern border."
He added: "The Obama administration has about 30 miles built. If I am elected president, we will build it. What is missing is the presidential will to get it done."
Americans like to think that when their elected representatives pass a law, it's a law. If only.
It's true that in 2006, the Republican-controlled House and a large bipartisan majority in the Senate passed, and President Bush signed, the Secure Fence Act, requiring 700 additional miles of double chain-link and barbed-wire fences with lights and camera poles.
But in 2007, the Homeland Security Department complained of being, er, fenced in, arguing that different types of terrain required different barriers.
So Cruz's predecessor, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, authored an amendment that DHS would not be required "to install fencing . .. if the Secretary determines that the use or placement of such resources is not the most appropriate means to achieve and maintain operational control over the international border at such location."
The Democrat-controlled Congress passed it.
In 2011, addressing supporters in El Paso, President Obama jeered that Republicans "wanted a fence. Well, the fence is now basically complete." Audience members, as the official WhiteHouse.gov transcript shows, shouted "Tear it down!" and "They're racist!"
"Maybe they'll need a moat," the president added. "Maybe they want alligators in the moat. They'll never be satisfied."
What the president did in that speech was, put simply, to lie — claiming to have built the "fence" that Republicans enacted into law, without noting that he and his fellow Democrats in Congress changed it to require much less effective fencing.
Most of the fencing that Obama claims "is now basically complete" consists of vehicle barriers that people can easily hop over, or single-layer fences.
Cruz is absolutely right that what's missing is presidential will. Under the amended law, the next chief executive could make 700 miles of double-layer fencing a priority — and tell DHS to shut up and build it."
When there is no will to follow through even a bill passed by congress gets nowhere. ETA: On more research I found the bill was never funded. Just like congress to pass something then never fund it.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/congress-prevented-bor...
"Democrats in Congress have blocked funding, arguing the barrier is too costly and a step away from their stated goal of “comprehensive immigration reform,” a code-phrase for proposed legislation that typically includes de facto amnesty for the millions of illegal immigrants already in the United States."
"Hunter charged the Obama administration was lying in claiming that border infrastructure needs had been met, arguing that less than 40 miles of double-layered fence had been built along the Mexican border in the eight years that had gone by since the Secure Fence Act had been passed."
Read more at
https://www.wnd.com/2016/11/1-main-reason-u-s-border-wall-hasnt-been...
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Location: SW New Mexico | I live very close to the southern border in the state of New Mexico. I can tell you from personal experience and first-hand knowledge from friends of mine who are border patrol agents that are in the trenches working this mess the media is lying. This is not a manufactured crisis... This is not the president's imagination! This is real. I want everyone to know that we in the NM cattle growers..have extended an invitation to Nancy Pelosi to please come and visit first hand in the rural southern area of New Mexico south of Animas.. SW of Lordsburg... This area is a freeway for illegal aliens right now. Because there is no wall! People keep saying.. especially liberals ...on their talking points... Walls don't work... Well I'm here to tell you that where there is walls... they don't have this unchecked flow of illegal aliens...
They do not have this kind of traffic coming into our country! But where we live there's a single strand of barbed wire as the border! Is very rural. Is a remote beautiful area used to be very quiet. The traffic is horrendous... There's been thousands crossing here. Our hospital in Grant County has busloads of illegal aliens trucked up daily with mystery diseases and all kinds of things were our own citizens have to be put to the side so that these people have priority. This is wrong. I have a friend who is very very sick cost her $300 for a couple hours in the ER. These people just come in and get priority and leave they don't worry about the bill. This is all so wrong. I'm going to tell you another horror story. The border patrol agents by Lordsburg Have to take care of these illegals. The illegals don't like what they're being fed..so they throw the food back in the agents faces. It cost taxpayers$95.000 just in the first month to feed them.. They have no idea of sanitation so they s*it on the floor. They throw dirty diapers on the ground. They walk around with their flags around them. They have no intention of assimilating into our culture at all.
They're here for the stuff they were promised. A lot of them are men.
The kids that died ...one was already sick ..his father did refuse treatment for his son and his son died. The other had sepsis..Why aren't the parents held accountable. Because they're illegal.
It's a real mess here and I challenge the politicians to come down here but they're not going to... in their thousand dollar suits and their $600 shoes ...they're not going to come to the remote areas of New Mexico. They go to Santa Teresa... Or to El Paso... Where there is is a wall ...they work well there..
Our BP agents are driving these illegals back and forth over an hour each way to the hospital or to wherever they need to go they turned into Uber drivers for these people... And they have to do this because that's what they're told to do and they're doing it all for no pay right now because of the the government shutdown. The families of these border patrol agents are not crying about Trump.... they blame it entirely on the Democrats specifically Pelosi and Schumer... for holding Americans hostage over this subject that they once supported up until 2015 they were very vocal about having a wall ..
Rant over
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Location: Weatherford, TX | jettster - 2019-01-10 11:59 AM I live very close to the southern border in the state of New Mexico. I can tell you from personal experience and first-hand knowledge from friends of mine who are border patrol agents that are in the trenches working this mess the media is lying. This is not a manufactured crisis... This is not the president's imagination! This is real. I want everyone to know that we in the NM cattle growers..have extended an invitation to Nancy Pelosi to please come and visit first hand in the rural southern area of New Mexico south of animus. That is a freeway for illegal aliens right now. Because there is no wall! People keep saying especially liberals on their talking points... Walls don't work... Well I'm here to tell you that where there is walls... They do not have this kind of traffic coming into our country! But where we live there's a single strand of barbed wire as the border! Is very rural. Is a remote beautiful area used to be very quiet. The traffic is horrendous... There's been thousands crossing here. Our hospital in Grant County has busloads of illegal aliens trucked up daily with mystery diseases and all kinds of things were our own citizens have to be put to the side so that these people have priority. This is wrong. I have a friend who is very very sick cost her $300 for a couple hours in the ER. These people just come in and get priority and leave they don't worry about the bill. This is all so wrong. I'm going to tell you another horror story. The border patrol agents by Lordsburg Have to take care of these illegals. The illegals don't like what they're being fed..so they throw the food back in the agents faces. It cost taxpayers$95.000 just in the first month to feed them.. They have no idea of sanitation so they sit on the floor. They throw dirty diapers on the ground. They walk around with their flags around them. They have no intention of assimilating into our culture at all. They're here for the stuff they were promised. A lot of them are men. The kids that died were already sick one father did refuse treatment for his son and his son died. The other had sepsis..Why aren't the parents held accountable. Because they're illegal. It's a real mess here and I challenge the politicians to come down here but they're not going to... in their thousand dollar suits and their $600 shoes ...they're not going to come to the remote areas of New Mexico. They go to Santa Teresa... Or to El Paso... Where there is is a wall ...they work well there.. Our BP agents are driving these illegals back and forth over an hour each way to the hospital or to wherever they need to go they turned into Uber drivers for these people... And they have to do this because that's what they're told to do and they're doing it all for no pay right now because of the the government shutdown. The families of these border patrol agents are not crying about Trump.... they blame it entirely on the Democrats specifically Pelosi and Schumer... for holding Americans hostage over this subject that they once supported up until 2015 they were very vocal about having a wall .. Rant over I know the Federal Wall works and then enables the Federals to come in and work other sectors other ways. This crap of having open boarders and ALL immigration is okay is just nuts. The people that do NOT live any where near the Boarder have no clue and are manipulated by the media/politicians as to it is being a lie... are crazy. Just listen to Alexandra from the Bronx. Come here for a week and live on the Boarder. Have fun. Again, be safe and have your 'moral' opinions in KY, NY, MA and other states not any where near the Boarder.
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Location: Kansas | Thank you jettster for that information. I watched a documentary once about a lady rancher on the border who had to put a very high fence around her home with mean dogs to keep illegals out. She said she'd come home from town and they'd be sitting in her living room watching TV and eating her food. Evidently they butchered her livestock because when asked she simply didn't want to talk about it. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Do the math .....there is a VERY simple solution to the funding of the wall (5 Billion) ..... EVERY one who voted for Trump (62,979,879) kicks into the coffers an additional $80 ........ whoo-hooooo ..... the wall is paid for ..... OR Those who voted for Trump in the bordering states (TX, NM, AZ, and CA) only need to kick in approx. $470 ...... whooo-hooo....wall is paid for .....
I kind of wonder why the verteran's GoFundMe account to raise money for the wall didn't go over the limit ....why ....because most of you won't put money where your mouth is ....he should have easily raised the 1 Billion that he was trying for IF there was that much support for the wall .....
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Frodo - 2019-01-10 12:27 PM Thank you jettster for that information. I watched a documentary once about a lady rancher on the border who had to put a very high fence around her home with mean dogs to keep illegals out. She said she'd come home from town and they'd be sitting in her living room watching TV and eating her food. Evidently they butchered her livestock because when asked she simply didn't want to talk about it. Gladly and happily did/do it, NJJ.
Live in TX. Tell me where to donate if you have an alternative method. Already did on the other GFM page.
Be happy in Iowa? I guess that is where you are from.
Just wait til it gets there at a 'Level 10'...maybe you'll care and be happy to/want to donate then at that 'late in the game' time.
Just sayin...Since you are far away....if you really want to pay or contribute to the 'collective' more in taxes than you already do...to take care of the deficit with all the entitlements and illegals...you can do that every April 15th of every year. Maybe you can contribute EXTRA every 4/15 on a special line of your Federal taxes to a special illegal fund? I'm sorry. I don't, do you?
Have fun. Hope you contribute extra money on your Federal tax form every year to 'sponser' illegals in Iowa.
What exactly is my 'fair share'?
Happy rabbit hole. 
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Do the math .....there is a VERY simple solution to the funding of the wall (5 Billion) ..... EVERY one who voted for Trump (62,979,879) kicks into the coffers an additional $80 ........ whoo-hooooo ..... the wall is paid for .....OR Those who voted for Trump in the bordering states (TX, NM, AZ, and CA) only need to kick in approx. $470 ...... whooo-hooo....wall is paid for .....
I kind of wonder why the verteran's GoFundMe account to raise money for the wall didn't go over the limit ....why ....because most of you won't put money where your mouth is ....he should have easily raised the 1 Billion that he was trying for IF there was that much support for the wall .....
Look. I pay taxes to pay for schools and I don't have and NEVER had any children. What's right about that? We all pay for things for the greater good of our society. I live in Oregon (ya look at my board name lol). I don't have illegals running across my property (yet) but that doesn't mean I can't understand someone who lives by the border wanting to stop that from happening. I can put myself in their shoes and I KNOW I wouldn't like it any more than they do. I once looked at property in Douglas AZ. Then I thought about the problems with safety being that close to the border and I dropped it. As a single woman, there's no way I want to put myself in that much danger. That was 20 years ago. It's a million times worse now.
I DID donate to the GFM page. $100. I don't have a lot of extra money due to having 16 head of horses and one income. I think I did my part. Sometimes I think the liberals/dems are just plain brain dead not to understand the concern. But then I realize their agenda isn't about logic. It's about power and money. | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | OregonBR - 2019-01-10 1:50 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 10:27 AM Do the math .....there is a VERY simple solution to the funding of the wall (5 Billion) ..... EVERY one who voted for Trump (62,979,879) kicks into the coffers an additional $80 ........ whoo-hooooo ..... the wall is paid for .....
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Those who voted for Trump in the bordering states (TX, NM, AZ, and CA) only need to kick in approx. $470 ...... whooo-hooo....wall is paid for .....
I kind of wonder why the verteran's GoFundMe account to raise money for the wall didn't go over the limit ....why ....because most of you won't put money where your mouth is ....he should have easily raised the 1 Billion that he was trying for IF there was that much support for the wall .....
Look. I pay taxes to pay for schools and I don't have and NEVER had any children. What's right about that? We all pay for things for the greater good of our society. I live in Oregon (ya look at my board name lol ). I don't have illegals running across my property (yet ) but that doesn't mean I can't understand someone who lives by the border wanting to stop that from happening. I can put myself in their shoes and I KNOW I wouldn't like it any more than they do. I once looked at property in Douglas AZ. Then I thought about the problems with safety being that close to the border and I dropped it. As a single woman, there's no way I want to put myself in that much danger. That was 20 years ago. It's a million times worse now. I DID donate to the GFM page. $100. I don't have a lot of extra money due to having 16 head of horses and one income. I think I did my part. Sometimes I think the liberals/dems are just plain brain dead not to understand the concern. But then I realize their agenda isn't about logic. It's about power and money.
I don't know political leanings
but you just described NJJ
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Location: NC | When I lived in NY i lived next to a house full of them and i mean multiple families living in house. Tried to call town. You know what they did? not a thing, because they would have been called racist. They would party with speakers, white tent and bounce houses till all hours of the night all the time (and if you know spanish music you know its got a different beat, multiple it times a bunch since they were "partying") And being in NY on LI where property is small they were right there. They used to park directly behind my driveway and when asked to move would laugh. (try to get a large pickup out of small driveway onto equally small road) It wasnt unusual to come home in the afternoon and their cars would be wide open, doors taken apart so they could vacuum them (drug dealers?). Biggest thing that really ****ed me off? my mom and i were painting (fixing house up to sell) and their children were running around, and looked straight in the room and screamed at us.
My mom was hit by one up there as well. No insurance, no license and car wasnt his. BUT he was in the local community college..... (who knows if paying tuition) Oh and he tried to take off after he hit us... Cops came and again could do nothing since no insurance.
Do i have an issue with the ones here legally or here on agriculture visas? NOPE not at all. They are doing the right thing. Went on a field trip with college and talked to a farmer about them, the ones here on agricultural visas are doing the right thing but they send all their money back to family.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Well I have to say how PROUD of Trump I am, hes holding his ground about the wall, he wants to take care of us and full fill his promise on building the wall, hes trying his darnest and have NEVER made us to look like we are stupid for wanting help on controling what comes across the border, Obama on the other hand tryed to make us look stupid for wanting help and a wall along our Texas/Mexican border, he had no problem making fun of us for wanting a WALL, Obama saying What else do they want me to do, build them a moat?!!!! What a jerk!!!!
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Racer4eva - 2019-01-10 2:29 PM When I lived in NY i lived next to a house full of them and i mean multiple families living in house. Tried to call town. You know what they did? not a thing, because they would have been called racist. They would party with speakers, white tent and bounce houses till all hours of the night all the time (and if you know spanish music you know its got a different beat, multiple it times a bunch since they were "partying") And being in NY on LI where property is small they were right there. They used to park directly behind my driveway and when asked to move would laugh. (try to get a large pickup out of small driveway onto equally small road) It wasnt unusual to come home in the afternoon and their cars would be wide open, doors taken apart so they could vacuum them (drug dealers?). Biggest thing that really ****ed me off? my mom and i were painting (fixing house up to sell) and their children were running around, and looked straight in the room and screamed at us. My mom was hit by one up there as well. No insurance, no license and car wasnt his. BUT he was in the local community college..... (who knows if paying tuition) Oh and he tried to take off after he hit us... Cops came and again could do nothing since no insurance. Do i have an issue with the ones here legally or here on agriculture visas? NOPE not at all. They are doing the right thing. Went on a field trip with college and talked to a farmer about them, the ones here on agricultural visas are doing the right thing but they send all their money back to family. Do i think we need a wall? YES i do I hear ya...big time.
No insurance, no restitution. They can be way obnoxious to live next to. Pretty entitled or want to live and drive the way they did in Mexico...don't know which. Contrary to popular belief, a lot of Mexicans and OTMs do NOT assimilate to our Country.
I am way for LEGAL immigration. Always have been. I am NOT for illegals crossing the Boarder. Do not conflate/insinuate different of the two...Way different.
Any one know of Angel Moms?
If you had no exposure/experience with Illegals...you have no clue.
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Do the math .....there is a VERY simple solution to the funding of the wall (5 Billion) ..... EVERY one who voted for Trump (62,979,879) kicks into the coffers an additional $80 ........ whoo-hooooo ..... the wall is paid for .....OR Those who voted for Trump in the bordering states (TX, NM, AZ, and CA) only need to kick in approx. $470 ...... whooo-hooo....wall is paid for .....
I kind of wonder why the verteran's GoFundMe account to raise money for the wall didn't go over the limit ....why ....because most of you won't put money where your mouth is ....he should have easily raised the 1 Billion that he was trying for IF there was that much support for the wall .....
Tell you what, Norma. I’d be all for your idea, so long as all 63 million of us don’t have to pay for your party’s “Medicare for all”, “free college for all”, and “minimum incomes for all”. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | 1DSoon - 2019-01-10 1:14 PM OregonBR - 2019-01-10 1:50 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 10:27 AM Do the math .....there is a VERY simple solution to the funding of the wall (5 Billion) ..... EVERY one who voted for Trump (62,979,879) kicks into the coffers an additional $80 ........ whoo-hooooo ..... the wall is paid for .....
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Those who voted for Trump in the bordering states (TX, NM, AZ, and CA) only need to kick in approx. $470 ...... whooo-hooo....wall is paid for .....
I kind of wonder why the verteran's GoFundMe account to raise money for the wall didn't go over the limit ....why ....because most of you won't put money where your mouth is ....he should have easily raised the 1 Billion that he was trying for IF there was that much support for the wall .....
Look. I pay taxes to pay for schools and I don't have and NEVER had any children. What's right about that? We all pay for things for the greater good of our society. I live in Oregon (ya look at my board name lol ). I don't have illegals running across my property (yet ) but that doesn't mean I can't understand someone who lives by the border wanting to stop that from happening. I can put myself in their shoes and I KNOW I wouldn't like it any more than they do. I once looked at property in Douglas AZ. Then I thought about the problems with safety being that close to the border and I dropped it. As a single woman, there's no way I want to put myself in that much danger. That was 20 years ago. It's a million times worse now. I DID donate to the GFM page. $100. I don't have a lot of extra money due to having 16 head of horses and one income. I think I did my part. Sometimes I think the liberals/dems are just plain brain dead not to understand the concern. But then I realize their agenda isn't about logic. It's about power and money.
but you just described NJJ
You all are just WAY TOO eager to jump to conclusions.....No where in my post did I say that I thought a wall was NOT necessary but just gave you a viable solution ...... but then that wouldn't fit your agenda of hate .....
One...I don't live in Iowa
Two .... I live in NE AR where there are MANY meat/chicken processing plants with immigrant workforce ..... which I might assume that a large % were not legal ..... However, that being said, the crime rate % (of hispanics) is FAR less than the rate of just your "homegrown" black on black, neighbor, or NON hispanic crimes being perpetuated .....
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2019-01-10 3:15 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 12:27 PM Do the math .....there is a VERY simple solution to the funding of the wall (5 Billion) ..... EVERY one who voted for Trump (62,979,879) kicks into the coffers an additional $80 ........ whoo-hooooo ..... the wall is paid for .....OR Those who voted for Trump in the bordering states (TX, NM, AZ, and CA) only need to kick in approx. $470 ...... whooo-hooo....wall is paid for .....
I kind of wonder why the verteran's GoFundMe account to raise money for the wall didn't go over the limit ....why ....because most of you won't put money where your mouth is ....he should have easily raised the 1 Billion that he was trying for IF there was that much support for the wall ..... Tell you what, Norma. I’d be all for your idea, so long as all 63 million of us don’t have to pay for your party’s “Medicare for all”, “free college for all”, and “minimum incomes for all”.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jettster - 2019-01-10 11:59 AM
I live very close to the southern border in the state of New Mexico. I can tell you from personal experience and first-hand knowledge from friends of mine who are border patrol agents that are in the trenches working this mess the media is lying. This is not a manufactured crisis... This is not the president's imagination! This is real. I want everyone to know that we in the NM cattle growers..have extended an invitation to Nancy Pelosi to please come and visit first hand in the rural southern area of New Mexico south of Animas.. SW of Lordsburg... This area is a freeway for illegal aliens right now. Because there is no wall! People keep saying.. especially liberals ...on their talking points... Walls don't work... Well I'm here to tell you that where there is walls... they don't have this unchecked flow of illegal aliens...
They do not have this kind of traffic coming into our country! But where we live there's a single strand of barbed wire as the border! Is very rural. Is a remote beautiful area used to be very quiet. The traffic is horrendous... There's been thousands crossing here. Our hospital in Grant County has busloads of illegal aliens trucked up daily with mystery diseases and all kinds of things were our own citizens have to be put to the side so that these people have priority. This is wrong. I have a friend who is very very sick cost her $300 for a couple hours in the ER. These people just come in and get priority and leave they don't worry about the bill. This is all so wrong. I'm going to tell you another horror story. The border patrol agents by Lordsburg Have to take care of these illegals. The illegals don't like what they're being fed..so they throw the food back in the agents faces. It cost taxpayers$95.000 just in the first month to feed them.. They have no idea of sanitation so they s*it on the floor. They throw dirty diapers on the ground. They walk around with their flags around them. They have no intention of assimilating into our culture at all.
They're here for the stuff they were promised. A lot of them are men.
The kids that died ...one was already sick ..his father did refuse treatment for his son and his son died. The other had sepsis..Why aren't the parents held accountable. Because they're illegal.
It's a real mess here and I challenge the politicians to come down here but they're not going to... in their thousand dollar suits and their $600 shoes ...they're not going to come to the remote areas of New Mexico. They go to Santa Teresa... Or to El Paso... Where there is is a wall ...they work well there..
Our BP agents are driving these illegals back and forth over an hour each way to the hospital or to wherever they need to go they turned into Uber drivers for these people... And they have to do this because that's what they're told to do and they're doing it all for no pay right now because of the the government shutdown. The families of these border patrol agents are not crying about Trump.... they blame it entirely on the Democrats specifically Pelosi and Schumer... for holding Americans hostage over this subject that they once supported up until 2015 they were very vocal about having a wall ..
Rant over
Whew! How the Democrats manage to bamboozle their voters in the face of endless stories like this never ceases to amaze me.
Knowing what we know about the straightforward border/immigration problem, and the failure to implement the obvious solutions, it should not surprise anyone that congress can’t solve a dam thing.
That’s what I find most disgusting about this. Trump is hated so much because he is really not an ideologue. He’s a pragmatist who sees problems just like most sensible people and he is only interested in solutions.
He’s the hand grenade we needed to shake up the bastards in the swamp. He doesn’t give a sh!t about political correctness or offending anyone. That’s why I’m liking him more and more. | |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Bear - 2019-01-10 3:15 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 12:27 PM Do the math .....there is a VERY simple solution to the funding of the wall (5 Billion) ..... EVERY one who voted for Trump (62,979,879) kicks into the coffers an additional $80 ........ whoo-hooooo ..... the wall is paid for .....
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Those who voted for Trump in the bordering states (TX, NM, AZ, and CA) only need to kick in approx. $470 ...... whooo-hooo....wall is paid for .....
I kind of wonder why the verteran's GoFundMe account to raise money for the wall didn't go over the limit ....why ....because most of you won't put money where your mouth is ....he should have easily raised the 1 Billion that he was trying for IF there was that much support for the wall .....
Tell you what, Norma. I’d be all for your idea, so long as all 63 million of us don’t have to pay for your party’s “Medicare for all”, “free college for all”, and “minimum incomes for all”.
Really.... exeactly NJJ what is my 'fair share' of my income to the Federal and State Government do I have to give?
Is it 70% of the "tippy-top" as Alexandra from the Bronx says (again 60 Minutes ). I can break down percentages of what the 1, 5 and 10% already pay of Federal taxes. not to mention any State/City taxes are paid, minus any Sales Taxes.
Socialism is great until you run out of other people"s money. Any new approach to Socialism is some one (dictator ) trying to build a better mouse trap. Ask Venezuela, Cuba, Chile, Argentina, etc.. And I didn't go back that far in history.
Venezuela was a prosperous society before. Then, Socialism took over. Big Bernie thought is was the epitome of Socialism. Ask Big Bernie how Venezuela is now. He was really talking it up about 5-6 years ago as to the highlight of Socialism. He is pretty quiet now and doesn't mention it at all. I think the 'common people' are eating cats and dogs and the occasional zoo animal. Isn't inflation there about a 1000%? They can't get toilet paper. Works great, Bernie.
But, Alexandra from the Bronx still thinks it's great and has a better mouse trap.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2019-01-10 3:35 PM
Bear - 2019-01-10 3:15 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 12:27 PM Do the math .....there is a VERY simple solution to the funding of the wall (5 Billion) ..... EVERY one who voted for Trump (62,979,879) kicks into the coffers an additional $80 ........ whoo-hooooo ..... the wall is paid for .....OR Those who voted for Trump in the bordering states (TX, NM, AZ, and CA) only need to kick in approx. $470 ...... whooo-hooo....wall is paid for .....
I kind of wonder why the verteran's GoFundMe account to raise money for the wall didn't go over the limit ....why ....because most of you won't put money where your mouth is ....he should have easily raised the 1 Billion that he was trying for IF there was that much support for the wall ..... Tell you what, Norma. I’d be all for your idea, so long as all 63 million of us don’t have to pay for your party’s “Medicare for all”, “free college for all”, and “minimum incomes for all”.
No, they are your party. You defend them every chance you get. You have always been that way.
Are you for or against the wall, Norma?
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | NJJ - 2019-01-10 1:32 PM
1DSoon - 2019-01-10 1:14 PM OregonBR - 2019-01-10 1:50 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 10:27 AM Do the math .....there is a VERY simple solution to the funding of the wall (5 Billion) ..... EVERY one who voted for Trump (62,979,879) kicks into the coffers an additional $80 ........ whoo-hooooo ..... the wall is paid for .....
OR
Those who voted for Trump in the bordering states (TX, NM, AZ, and CA) only need to kick in approx. $470 ...... whooo-hooo....wall is paid for .....
I kind of wonder why the verteran's GoFundMe account to raise money for the wall didn't go over the limit ....why ....because most of you won't put money where your mouth is ....he should have easily raised the 1 Billion that he was trying for IF there was that much support for the wall .....
Look. I pay taxes to pay for schools and I don't have and NEVER had any children. What's right about that? We all pay for things for the greater good of our society. I live in Oregon (ya look at my board name lol ). I don't have illegals running across my property (yet ) but that doesn't mean I can't understand someone who lives by the border wanting to stop that from happening. I can put myself in their shoes and I KNOW I wouldn't like it any more than they do. I once looked at property in Douglas AZ. Then I thought about the problems with safety being that close to the border and I dropped it. As a single woman, there's no way I want to put myself in that much danger. That was 20 years ago. It's a million times worse now. I DID donate to the GFM page. $100. I don't have a lot of extra money due to having 16 head of horses and one income. I think I did my part. Sometimes I think the liberals/dems are just plain brain dead not to understand the concern. But then I realize their agenda isn't about logic. It's about power and money.
but you just described NJJ
One...I don't live in Iowa
Two .... I live in NE AR where there are MANY meat/chicken processing plants with immigrant workforce ..... which I might assume that a large % were not legal ..... However, that being said, the crime rate % (of hispanics) is FAR less than the rate of just your "homegrown" black on black, neighbor, or NON hispanic crimes being perpetuated .....
Are you replying to me or to 1D? Cause I don't know where you got all that you just talked about. I never said anything about where you live or really that you even believe like a dem. Did I? I just answered your reasoning with my own compliance with your requirements. I did donate. But in addition to that, I already pay for things I don't use. For the greater good of society. So it really holds no water at all to b*tch about paying for a wall even if you don't want it or think it's necessary. Many of us do think it's necessary; just like trying to educate other peoples kids is necessary. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2019-01-10 3:44 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 3:35 PM Bear - 2019-01-10 3:15 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 12:27 PM Do the math .....there is a VERY simple solution to the funding of the wall (5 Billion) ..... EVERY one who voted for Trump (62,979,879) kicks into the coffers an additional $80 ........ whoo-hooooo ..... the wall is paid for .....
OR
Those who voted for Trump in the bordering states (TX, NM, AZ, and CA) only need to kick in approx. $470 ...... whooo-hooo....wall is paid for .....
I kind of wonder why the verteran's GoFundMe account to raise money for the wall didn't go over the limit ....why ....because most of you won't put money where your mouth is ....he should have easily raised the 1 Billion that he was trying for IF there was that much support for the wall .....
Tell you what, Norma. I’d be all for your idea, so long as all 63 million of us don’t have to pay for your party’s “Medicare for all”, “free college for all”, and “minimum incomes for all”. No, they are your party. You defend them every chance you get. You have always been that way. Are you for or against the wall, Norma? Now get your as$ back in the kitchen where you belong and grill me my porterhouse.
LOL .... you have NEVER seen me defend Pelosi or any of her cohorts. I am "on the fence" over the wall ..... can I dig under or climb over....LOL
I AM AGAINST the holding of the federal workers, who only want to get back to work to get paid, "hostage" over ANY issue ..... I wasn't in favor of it when Obama shut it down over health care. I think it is ludicrous that ANY worker should be penalized because we have elected officials that can't get beyond "petty" differences. I don't blame the Republicans (Trump) OR Democrats.....they all need to get slapped "upside the head" and work it out. Unfortunately, there is MUCH MORE to this immigration problem than just building a wall. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | OregonBR - 2019-01-10 4:00 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 1:32 PM 1DSoon - 2019-01-10 1:14 PM OregonBR - 2019-01-10 1:50 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 10:27 AM Do the math .....there is a VERY simple solution to the funding of the wall (5 Billion) ..... EVERY one who voted for Trump (62,979,879) kicks into the coffers an additional $80 ........ whoo-hooooo ..... the wall is paid for .....
OR
Those who voted for Trump in the bordering states (TX, NM, AZ, and CA) only need to kick in approx. $470 ...... whooo-hooo....wall is paid for .....
I kind of wonder why the verteran's GoFundMe account to raise money for the wall didn't go over the limit ....why ....because most of you won't put money where your mouth is ....he should have easily raised the 1 Billion that he was trying for IF there was that much support for the wall .....
Look. I pay taxes to pay for schools and I don't have and NEVER had any children. What's right about that? We all pay for things for the greater good of our society. I live in Oregon (ya look at my board name lol ). I don't have illegals running across my property (yet ) but that doesn't mean I can't understand someone who lives by the border wanting to stop that from happening. I can put myself in their shoes and I KNOW I wouldn't like it any more than they do. I once looked at property in Douglas AZ. Then I thought about the problems with safety being that close to the border and I dropped it. As a single woman, there's no way I want to put myself in that much danger. That was 20 years ago. It's a million times worse now. I DID donate to the GFM page. $100. I don't have a lot of extra money due to having 16 head of horses and one income. I think I did my part. Sometimes I think the liberals/dems are just plain brain dead not to understand the concern. But then I realize their agenda isn't about logic. It's about power and money.
but you just described NJJ
One...I don't live in Iowa
Two .... I live in NE AR where there are MANY meat/chicken processing plants with immigrant workforce ..... which I might assume that a large % were not legal ..... However, that being said, the crime rate % (of hispanics) is FAR less than the rate of just your "homegrown" black on black, neighbor, or NON hispanic crimes being perpetuated .....
Are you replying to me or to 1D? Cause I don't know where you got all that you just talked about. I never said anything about where you live or really that you even believe like a dem. Did I? I just answered your reasoning with my own compliance with your requirements. I did donate. But in addition to that, I already pay for things I don't use. For the greater good of society. So it really holds no water at all to b*tch about paying for a wall even if you don't want it or think it's necessary. Many of us do think it's necessary; just like trying to educate other peoples kids is necessary.
Sorry, Not your entire post just the sentence that IDSoon highlighted ..... and the Iowa comment was for another who posted that I didn't know anything about the problem because I lived in "Iowa" ..... which I may add has a VERY high percentage of illegals working in MANY processing plants. | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Valid question: If Trump would have signed that bill that the P & S show wanted him to sign with $54 BILLION in foreign aid and $0 for the wall funding, what do you think the chances are the dems would have discussed or acted on anything to do with the border wall?? Zero, zip, nada, no chance in h*ll. They won't even discuss it WITH the government shut down. So why do you think WE (Trump and us citizens that support him) should weaken our resolve when they don't give a rats behind about the government workers?? $5.6 Billion for a wall they have voted for in the past but never sufficiently funded vs $54 BILLION to give away to another country(s) who probably hates our guts. Which is a better investment??
ETA: IMO this power struggle is more about revealing what douches the dems/liberals are and their idea of what's important than the wall. Because in the end there is a back up plan to build it. The Army Corps of Engineers can oversee the wall and work with border patrol on what they need. At least this time someone is listening to what they need. The money can come from the military budget. This has been said on the back channels (real news) for several months now. I knew about it for many weeks. I was made fun of on here by a couple of liberal yahoos a couple of weeks ago when I said something they knew nothing about.
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Bear - 2019-01-10 3:44 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 3:35 PM Bear - 2019-01-10 3:15 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 12:27 PM Do the math .....there is a VERY simple solution to the funding of the wall (5 Billion) ..... EVERY one who voted for Trump (62,979,879) kicks into the coffers an additional $80 ........ whoo-hooooo ..... the wall is paid for .....
OR
Those who voted for Trump in the bordering states (TX, NM, AZ, and CA) only need to kick in approx. $470 ...... whooo-hooo....wall is paid for .....
I kind of wonder why the verteran's GoFundMe account to raise money for the wall didn't go over the limit ....why ....because most of you won't put money where your mouth is ....he should have easily raised the 1 Billion that he was trying for IF there was that much support for the wall .....
Tell you what, Norma. I’d be all for your idea, so long as all 63 million of us don’t have to pay for your party’s “Medicare for all”, “free college for all”, and “minimum incomes for all”. No, they are your party. You defend them every chance you get. You have always been that way. Are you for or against the wall, Norma? Now get your as$ back in the kitchen where you belong and grill me my porterhouse.
I AM AGAINST the holding of the federal workers, who only want to get back to work to get paid, "hostage" over ANY issue ..... I wasn't in favor of it when Obama shut it down over health care. I think it is ludicrous that ANY worker should be penalized because we have elected officials that can't get beyond "petty" differences. I don't blame the Republicans (Trump) OR Democrats.....they all need to get slapped "upside the head" and work it out. Unfortunately, there is MUCH MORE to this immigration problem than just building a wall.
So who is holding them hostage? Who do you blame?
If you are “on the fence” about the wall after all these years of debating illegal immigration, something is wrong, in my opinion. When Congress was debating whether or not to borrow $900 Billion on the stimulus bill the debate went on for about 2-3 months before it passed. One of Obama’s first programs, “Cash for Clunkers” cost taxpayers $3-4 Billion, and it lasted 2 months before it was curtailed, because people with old cars recognized it was a sucker’s deal and cashed in. What did taxpayers get for it? Bupkus...nada..zilch....zed....zero.
Don’t sit and whine to me about Trump holding government workers hostage. Their games are costing innocent citizen’s lives. People are sick and tired of the political gamesmanship over a problem with obvious solutions. I just don’t understand how anyone could be “on the fence” over something so clear and clarion. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2019-01-10 5:10 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 4:02 PM Bear - 2019-01-10 3:44 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 3:35 PM Bear - 2019-01-10 3:15 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 12:27 PM Do the math .....there is a VERY simple solution to the funding of the wall (5 Billion) ..... EVERY one who voted for Trump (62,979,879) kicks into the coffers an additional $80 ........ whoo-hooooo ..... the wall is paid for .....
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Those who voted for Trump in the bordering states (TX, NM, AZ, and CA) only need to kick in approx. $470 ...... whooo-hooo....wall is paid for .....
I kind of wonder why the verteran's GoFundMe account to raise money for the wall didn't go over the limit ....why ....because most of you won't put money where your mouth is ....he should have easily raised the 1 Billion that he was trying for IF there was that much support for the wall .....
Tell you what, Norma. I’d be all for your idea, so long as all 63 million of us don’t have to pay for your party’s “Medicare for all”, “free college for all”, and “minimum incomes for all”. No, they are your party. You defend them every chance you get. You have always been that way. Are you for or against the wall, Norma? Now get your as$ back in the kitchen where you belong and grill me my porterhouse.
I AM AGAINST the holding of the federal workers, who only want to get back to work to get paid, "hostage" over ANY issue ..... I wasn't in favor of it when Obama shut it down over health care. I think it is ludicrous that ANY worker should be penalized because we have elected officials that can't get beyond "petty" differences. I don't blame the Republicans (Trump) OR Democrats.....they all need to get slapped "upside the head" and work it out. Unfortunately, there is MUCH MORE to this immigration problem than just building a wall. So who is holding them hostage? Who do you blame? If you are “on the fence” about the wall after all these years of debating illegal immigration, something is wrong, in my opinion. When Congress was debating whether or not to borrow $900 Billion on the stimulus bill the debate went on for about 2-3 months before it passed. One of Obama’s first programs, “Cash for Clunkers” cost taxpayers $3-4 Billion, and it lasted 2 months before it was curtailed, because people with old cars recognized it was a sucker’s deal and cashed in. What did taxpayers get for it? Bupkus...nada..zilch....zed....zero. Don’t sit and whine to me about Trump holding government workers hostage. Their games are costing innocent citizen’s lives. People are sick and tired of the political gamesmanship over a problem with obvious solutions. I just don’t understand how anyone could be “on the fence” over something so clear and clarion.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Mighty Broke - 2019-01-09 12:10 PM
The people that feel the wall will not work---why did you not speak up when Obama funded it ???? Because the media did not tell you to then---such puppets.It is hilarious and pitiful all at the same time.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Bear - 2019-01-09 4:15 PM
NJJ - 2019-01-10 12:27 PM
Do the math .....there is a VERY simple solution to the funding of the wall (5 Billion) ..... EVERY one who voted for Trump (62,979,879) kicks into the coffers an additional $80 ........ whoo-hooooo ..... the wall is paid for .....OR Those who voted for Trump in the bordering states (TX, NM, AZ, and CA) only need to kick in approx. $470 ...... whooo-hooo....wall is paid for .....
I kind of wonder why the verteran's GoFundMe account to raise money for the wall didn't go over the limit ....why ....because most of you won't put money where your mouth is ....he should have easily raised the 1 Billion that he was trying for IF there was that much support for the wall .....
Tell you what, Norma. I’d be all for your idea, so long as all 63 million of us don’t have to pay for your party’s “Medicare for all”, “free college for all”, and “minimum incomes for all”.
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| I have been thinking about How you could pay for the wall/fence what ever. So I did a little research on how many cars trucks and passengers cross the southern boarder a year legally. Thou I could not find a number just for the southern boarder I added up all the ports of entry stats for Ca. Az. NM.and Texas. It's well over 100,000,000 cars and trucks and well over 200,000,000 passengers. If you charged 25.00 per car and fifty for trucks and 10.00 per person there is your money. Now I know that some one would file a law suit saying that this racist because it only for the southern boarder. Ok make it for all ports of entry airports shipping ports Northern boarder etc. The figure becomes shall we say "Holly S***" and that is only charging them to come in. What if you charged the both ways? I know many will say OH YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT CONGRESS. I say not so fast. All of this falls under the DOT which is under the President. And as long as you don't call it a tax but a transportation use fee it's legal. Many country's already do this. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2019-01-10 5:14 PM
Bear - 2019-01-10 5:10 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 4:02 PM Bear - 2019-01-10 3:44 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 3:35 PM Bear - 2019-01-10 3:15 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 12:27 PM Do the math .....there is a VERY simple solution to the funding of the wall (5 Billion) ..... EVERY one who voted for Trump (62,979,879) kicks into the coffers an additional $80 ........ whoo-hooooo ..... the wall is paid for .....
OR
Those who voted for Trump in the bordering states (TX, NM, AZ, and CA) only need to kick in approx. $470 ...... whooo-hooo....wall is paid for .....
I kind of wonder why the verteran's GoFundMe account to raise money for the wall didn't go over the limit ....why ....because most of you won't put money where your mouth is ....he should have easily raised the 1 Billion that he was trying for IF there was that much support for the wall .....
Tell you what, Norma. I’d be all for your idea, so long as all 63 million of us don’t have to pay for your party’s “Medicare for all”, “free college for all”, and “minimum incomes for all”. No, they are your party. You defend them every chance you get. You have always been that way. Are you for or against the wall, Norma? Now get your as$ back in the kitchen where you belong and grill me my porterhouse.
I AM AGAINST the holding of the federal workers, who only want to get back to work to get paid, "hostage" over ANY issue ..... I wasn't in favor of it when Obama shut it down over health care. I think it is ludicrous that ANY worker should be penalized because we have elected officials that can't get beyond "petty" differences. I don't blame the Republicans (Trump) OR Democrats.....they all need to get slapped "upside the head" and work it out. Unfortunately, there is MUCH MORE to this immigration problem than just building a wall. So who is holding them hostage? Who do you blame? If you are “on the fence” about the wall after all these years of debating illegal immigration, something is wrong, in my opinion. When Congress was debating whether or not to borrow $900 Billion on the stimulus bill the debate went on for about 2-3 months before it passed. One of Obama’s first programs, “Cash for Clunkers” cost taxpayers $3-4 Billion, and it lasted 2 months before it was curtailed, because people with old cars recognized it was a sucker’s deal and cashed in. What did taxpayers get for it? Bupkus...nada..zilch....zed....zero. Don’t sit and whine to me about Trump holding government workers hostage. Their games are costing innocent citizen’s lives. People are sick and tired of the political gamesmanship over a problem with obvious solutions. I just don’t understand how anyone could be “on the fence” over something so clear and clarion.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | jbhoot - 2019-01-10 4:20 PM
I have been thinking about How you could pay for the wall/fence what ever. So I did a little research on how many cars trucks and passengers cross the southern boarder a year legally. Thou I could not find a number just for the southern boarder I added up all the ports of entry stats for Ca. Az. NM.and Texas. It's well over 100,000,000 cars and trucks and well over 200,000,000 passengers. If you charged 25.00 per car and fifty for trucks and 10.00 per person there is your money. Now I know that some one would file a law suit saying that this racist because it only for the southern boarder. Ok make it for all ports of entry airports shipping ports Northern boarder etc. The figure becomes shall we say "Holly S***" and that is only charging them to come in. What if you charged the both ways? I know many will say OH YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT CONGRESS. I say not so fast. All of this falls under the DOT which is under the President. And as long as you don't call it a tax but a transportation use fee it's legal. Many country's already do this.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2019-01-10 6:22 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 5:14 PM Bear - 2019-01-10 5:10 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 4:02 PM Bear - 2019-01-10 3:44 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 3:35 PM Bear - 2019-01-10 3:15 PM NJJ - 2019-01-10 12:27 PM Do the math .....there is a VERY simple solution to the funding of the wall (5 Billion) ..... EVERY one who voted for Trump (62,979,879) kicks into the coffers an additional $80 ........ whoo-hooooo ..... the wall is paid for .....
OR
Those who voted for Trump in the bordering states (TX, NM, AZ, and CA) only need to kick in approx. $470 ...... whooo-hooo....wall is paid for .....
I kind of wonder why the verteran's GoFundMe account to raise money for the wall didn't go over the limit ....why ....because most of you won't put money where your mouth is ....he should have easily raised the 1 Billion that he was trying for IF there was that much support for the wall .....
Tell you what, Norma. I’d be all for your idea, so long as all 63 million of us don’t have to pay for your party’s “Medicare for all”, “free college for all”, and “minimum incomes for all”. No, they are your party. You defend them every chance you get. You have always been that way. Are you for or against the wall, Norma? Now get your as$ back in the kitchen where you belong and grill me my porterhouse.
I AM AGAINST the holding of the federal workers, who only want to get back to work to get paid, "hostage" over ANY issue ..... I wasn't in favor of it when Obama shut it down over health care. I think it is ludicrous that ANY worker should be penalized because we have elected officials that can't get beyond "petty" differences. I don't blame the Republicans (Trump) OR Democrats.....they all need to get slapped "upside the head" and work it out. Unfortunately, there is MUCH MORE to this immigration problem than just building a wall. So who is holding them hostage? Who do you blame? If you are “on the fence” about the wall after all these years of debating illegal immigration, something is wrong, in my opinion. When Congress was debating whether or not to borrow $900 Billion on the stimulus bill the debate went on for about 2-3 months before it passed. One of Obama’s first programs, “Cash for Clunkers” cost taxpayers $3-4 Billion, and it lasted 2 months before it was curtailed, because people with old cars recognized it was a sucker’s deal and cashed in. What did taxpayers get for it? Bupkus...nada..zilch....zed....zero. Don’t sit and whine to me about Trump holding government workers hostage. Their games are costing innocent citizen’s lives. People are sick and tired of the political gamesmanship over a problem with obvious solutions. I just don’t understand how anyone could be “on the fence” over something so clear and clarion. Honey, you know I love your crabby old ass. I ain’t hatin’ on nobody. We enjoy slapping each other up...admit it.
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| Folks, remember, the same element of society that thinks "The Wall" is a bad idea think Obamacare is a wonnnnderful idea (long on premiums, short on coverage). This explains much about who these Socialists are....and make no mistake, what is foremost on their agenda is staging the silent coup of our President through obstruction. | |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Norma... I think I can call you that as Bear did. But if you want NJJ fine. Just let me know.
Please don't blame 1DSoon, as I think I got the Iowa thing started. Your profile says... Displaced Iowegian. So, I thought you were from Iowa. What do they call people from Iowa? Please don't blame 1DSoon, they get enough crap on here. My bad.
Did I take it wrong and you live on the Boarder?
My apolgies.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Gator Bug - 2019-01-10 7:56 PM Norma... I think I can call you that as Bear did. But if you want NJJ fine. Just let me know.
Please don't blame 1DSoon, as I think I got the Iowa thing started. Your profile says... Displaced Iowegian. So, I thought you were from Iowa. What do they call people from Iowa? Please don't blame 1DSoon, they get enough crap on here. My bad.
Did I take it wrong and you live on the Boarder?
My apolgies.
LOL .... don't give 1DSoon much sympathy, He will begin to expect it. He deserves most of what he gets .... Don't you, Rick? | |
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Location: Arkansas | jbhoot - 2019-01-10 6:20 PM
I have been thinking about How you could pay for the wall/fence what ever. So I did a little research on how many cars trucks and passengers cross the southern boarder a year legally. Thou I could not find a number just for the southern boarder I added up all the ports of entry stats for Ca. Az. NM.and Texas. It's well over 100,000,000 cars and trucks and well over 200,000,000 passengers. If you charged 25.00 per car and fifty for trucks and 10.00 per person there is your money. Now I know that some one would file a law suit saying that this racist because it only for the southern boarder. Ok make it for all ports of entry airports shipping ports Northern boarder etc. The figure becomes shall we say "Holly S***" and that is only charging them to come in. What if you charged the both ways? I know many will say OH YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT CONGRESS. I say not so fast. All of this falls under the DOT which is under the President. And as long as you don't call it a tax but a transportation use fee it's legal. Many country's already do this.
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | I usually don't get into this kinda stuff. But I just can't help myself this morning. I'm cold and cranky.
Yes, the border is an issue. It will always be an issue. Whether it's people from the south or fentanyl from the north. Build a wall. Build a fence. Paper the place with drones armed with machine guns. Line the border with a bunch of bros arm in arm playing Red Rover. Whatever. (Or fully fund and fix the broken, painfully slow, impossible to navigate, legal immigration process.)
What bothers me about this situation is that actual people, who go to work everyday and do their job, are pawns in a petty, playground argument. Yes, some will get back pay when this ****ing match ends. But tell that to the bank that holds the car note. Tell that to the mortgage lender. "Sorry, Mr. Banker. Wait until a bunch of politicians pull their collective heads out and I'll pay my obligations." It's ludicrous and stupid.
There's enough blame to go around for every single decision maker, blue, red, purple, green. Neither side gives a **** about the people. It's about ego and winning and looking good on TV.
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It will be interesting to see what happens if Trump manages to pull this off.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | TrackinBubba - 2019-01-11 8:14 AM I usually don't get into this kinda stuff. But I just can't help myself this morning. I'm cold and cranky.
Yes, the border is an issue. It will always be an issue. Whether it's people from the south or fentanyl from the north. Build a wall. Build a fence. Paper the place with drones armed with machine guns. Line the border with a bunch of bros arm in arm playing Red Rover. Whatever. (Or fully fund and fix the broken, painfully slow, impossible to navigate, legal immigration process.)
What bothers me about this situation is that actual people, who go to work everyday and do their job, are pawns in a petty, playground argument. Yes, some will get back pay when this ****ing match ends. But tell that to the bank that holds the car note. Tell that to the mortgage lender. "Sorry, Mr. Banker. Wait until a bunch of politicians pull their collective heads out and I'll pay my obligations." It's ludicrous and stupid.
There's enough blame to go around for every single decision maker, blue, red, purple, green. Neither side gives a **** about the people. It's about ego and winning and looking good on TV.
There should have never beens o many Gov employees anyway.
Maybe some will quit and they won't replace them.(pipe dream becasue I know they will)
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Location: Missouri | CJE - 2019-01-10 5:43 PM
Bear - 2019-01-09 4:15 PM
NJJ - 2019-01-10 12:27 PM
Do the math .....there is a VERY simple solution to the funding of the wall (5 Billion) ..... EVERY one who voted for Trump (62,979,879) kicks into the coffers an additional $80 ........ whoo-hooooo ..... the wall is paid for .....OR Those who voted for Trump in the bordering states (TX, NM, AZ, and CA) only need to kick in approx. $470 ...... whooo-hooo....wall is paid for .....
I kind of wonder why the verteran's GoFundMe account to raise money for the wall didn't go over the limit ....why ....because most of you won't put money where your mouth is ....he should have easily raised the 1 Billion that he was trying for IF there was that much support for the wall .....
Tell you what, Norma. I’d be all for your idea, so long as all 63 million of us don’t have to pay for your party’s “Medicare for all”, “free college for all”, and “minimum incomes for all”.
Exactly
What a wonderful world this would be, eh?!
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Location: Kansas | Aren't these federal workers on pension plans where when they retire at 52 years of age or so, we all have to pick up the tab for the rest of their lives? Isn't this part of the reason the U.S. is so deeply in debt.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Frodo - 2019-01-11 1:23 PM Aren't these federal workers on pension plans where when they retire at 52 years of age or so, we all have to pick up the tab for the rest of their lives? Isn't this part of the reason the U.S. is so deeply in debt.
That is the reason a lot of cities and states are in trouble. No one thought ahead to make sure the money was in there. Also, their health insurance is paid for too. No thought when that was put in place either for inflation. | |
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Location: South Texas | You know what NJ - I would gladly kick in for the border wall. However, there is no way on God's green earth I would trust anybody in Washington to use the money for the wall and only the wall. You don't live here and you have no idea what it's like to have to carry a gun on your own ranch because you can never tell who might be in the brush. And I live 90 miles from the border. So you go ahead and throw mud at us while living well away from our daily problems. I'm tired of the media, politicians and people who have not lived here telling me that there is no border problem. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Foxy J.R. - 2019-01-11 12:35 PM You know what NJ - I would gladly kick in for the border wall. However, there is no way on God's green earth I would trust anybody in Washington to use the money for the wall and only the wall. You don't live here and you have no idea what it's like to have to carry a gun on your own ranch because you can never tell who might be in the brush. And I live 90 miles from the border. So you go ahead and throw mud at us while living well away from our daily problems. I'm tired of the media, politicians and people who have not lived here telling me that there is no border problem.
One ...... Ms. Green ..... I never said that you don't need a wall .....
Two ...... I never said that I did NOT support a wall but better yet...I DO support a complete overhaul of the immigration system from top to bottom
Three ..... I just gave YOU a viable solution to raising the money .....
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| Foxy J.R. - 2019-01-11 12:35 PM
You know what NJ - I would gladly kick in for the border wall. However, there is no way on God's green earth I would trust anybody in Washington to use the money for the wall and only the wall. You don't live here and you have no idea what it's like to have to carry a gun on your own ranch because you can never tell who might be in the brush. And I live 90 miles from the border. So you go ahead and throw mud at us while living well away from our daily problems. I'm tired of the media, politicians and people who have not lived here telling me that there is no border problem.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Building a wall is not going to solve all the problems with illegals but its a start. Texas is really to get it started and on board with Trump.. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Whiteboy - 2019-01-09 2:06 PM I love the idea of a wall, but building a wall without fixing the immigration system is incomplete. They must do both, at the same time. Ag needs imigrants, America needs imigrants, but we need good immigrants. The Dems say the wall is immoral, but allowing these "mexicans" to take on tremendous risk and cost just for a chance to get accross the boarder is immoral. It cost them about $9,000/ person to have the coyotes get them accross the boarder, IF they live through the process. The system is broken and the POL's must fix it.
But building a wall would be a good step in the right direction to get things rolling and fixing what needs to be fix, getting that wall build might just wake up alot of the Dems and get them on board with Trump and start working together to get this broken system fixed. And get the imigrants to come over the right way if they really want to make their lives better, like all the imigrants in the past have done. Theres many imigrants living over here and I know quite a few and they did it right.. | |
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Location: Kansas | Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-11 3:42 PM
Whiteboy - 2019-01-09 2:06 PM I love the idea of a wall, but building a wall without fixing the immigration system is incomplete. They must do both, at the same time. Ag needs imigrants, America needs imigrants, but we need good immigrants. The Dems say the wall is immoral, but allowing these "mexicans" to take on tremendous risk and cost just for a chance to get accross the boarder is immoral. It cost them about $9,000/ person to have the coyotes get them accross the boarder, IF they live through the process. The system is broken and the POL's must fix it.
But building a wall would be a good step in the right direction to get things rolling and fixing what needs to be fix, getting that wall build might just wake up alot of the Dems and get them on board with Trump and start working together to get this broken system fixed. And get the imigrants to come over the right way if they really want to make their lives better, like all the imigrants in the past have done. Theres many imigrants living over here and I know quite a few and they did it right..
....and a lot of them are seeking "free stuff." Several in the caravan were asked about our entitlements and the general answer was something like "why not?"
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| omly reason the wall is immorall now is because trump will do where as chck s Obama reid they talk no walk
dam sure funny they got walls and secutirt
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Frodo - 2019-01-11 4:04 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-11 3:42 PM Whiteboy - 2019-01-09 2:06 PM I love the idea of a wall, but building a wall without fixing the immigration system is incomplete. They must do both, at the same time. Ag needs imigrants, America needs imigrants, but we need good immigrants. The Dems say the wall is immoral, but allowing these "mexicans" to take on tremendous risk and cost just for a chance to get accross the boarder is immoral. It cost them about $9,000/ person to have the coyotes get them accross the boarder, IF they live through the process. The system is broken and the POL's must fix it. But building a wall would be a good step in the right direction to get things rolling and fixing what needs to be fix, getting that wall build might just wake up alot of the Dems and get them on board with Trump and start working together to get this broken system fixed. And get the imigrants to come over the right way if they really want to make their lives better, like all the imigrants in the past have done. Theres many imigrants living over here and I know quite a few and they did it right.. ....and a lot of them are seeking "free stuff." Several in the caravan were asked about our entitlements and the general answer was something like "why not?"
And this is where they need to start fixing the broken system, stop giving these people a reward for breaking our laws.. | |
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| i wish i coud copy paste the video steve sanchez posted every dam democrat that is now saying imorral has at 1 time been saying the exact same thing trump is saying now why in earth does not someone confront them with their own word and ask what has changed? | |
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Location: Kansas | vjls - 2019-01-12 8:55 AM i wish i coud copy paste the video steve sanchez posted every dam democrat that is now saying imorral has at 1 time been saying the exact same thing trump is saying now why in earth does not someone confront them with their own word and ask what has changed? They show the soundbites over and over again on FOX although I know not everyone has access to cable news. It's Barack, Hillary, Chuck, Nancy all saying the same thing "we need a physical barrier" only now they all seem to have changed their collective minds. Every employee of the Border Patrol FOX has spoken with says only a wall will slow this invasion down.
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Location: SE Missouri | I’m amazed at some the arguements for people opposing the wall. There’s a barrel racer on FB that gets all wound up about the wall and blames the illegal immigration and drug flow on us. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | abrooks - 2019-01-12 3:19 PM
I’m amazed at some the arguements for people opposing the wall. There’s a barrel racer on FB that gets all wound up about the wall and blames the illegal immigration and drug flow on us.
Actually, when you think of it, he’s right. Honestly, “we” (meaning our own government) only have ourselves to blame. It’s just too easy and too enticing to walk across the border illegally from that sh!thole, corrupt, crime-ridden, poverty stricken country into the US where you can earn 5-6 times the amount you would earn in Mexico.
It’s just too dam tempting, and if you get caught there are no consequences.
We’ve had E-Verify in the US for over 20 years. It isn’t mandated or enforced.
In areas where E-Verify has been uniformly applied, studies have shown a substantial reduction in illegal immigrants in the area. It should be federally mandated.
We need a wall....that’s obvious.
We need other tools that use high tech methods, like drones, electronic monitoring, drug detection, etc...
And yes, we need to deal with DACA, once and for all. Those kids are without a country, and it’s our own fault for letting them in. We need to start with a clean slate so we no longer have DACA kids, chain migration, etc...
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I have a good friend who has been a real, conservative, genuine cowboy all his life. He’s worked on ranches along the West Texas southern border growing up into his early 30s. He is opposed to “ the Wall” and he doesn’t like Trump purely because of “the Wall”. He says the “equine industry” would be devastated by the wall. His claim is that cheap illegal workers are essential. I’ve heard this argument many times about how agriculture, ranching depends on illegals. I say that’s bullsh!t. The solution to that is a “workers permit” system. Problem solved. If they can’t afford at least minimum wage for those workers something is wrong. I don’t buy it. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear - 2019-01-12 4:42 PM I have a good friend who has been a real, conservative, genuine cowboy all his life. He’s worked on ranches along the West Texas southern border growing up into his early 30s. He is opposed to “ the Wall” and he doesn’t like Trump purely because of “the Wall”. He says the “equine industry” would be devastated by the wall. His claim is that cheap illegal workers are essential. I’ve heard this argument many times about how agriculture, ranching depends on illegals. I say that’s bullsh!t. The solution to that is a “workers permit” system. Problem solved. If they can’t afford at least minimum wage for those workers something is wrong. I don’t buy it.
Oh yeah, This is what ranchers and some farmers depend on is the illegals, they will house them and pay them cheaply, but times are changing the illegals are getting to where they wont work for anything under minimum wage. Here in Seguin there where a few places these illegals and some with their green cards would gather and wait for contractors to come and pick them up for a day job, and alot wont work for under 14 dollars an hour, they pretty much set their own wage pay per hour.. But in the last few years I have not seen many like I use too sitting and waiting for someone to come and hire them for the day.. I'm guessing they are moving up the country for higher pay.. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-12 5:18 PM
Bear - 2019-01-12 4:42 PM I have a good friend who has been a real, conservative, genuine cowboy all his life. He’s worked on ranches along the West Texas southern border growing up into his early 30s. He is opposed to “ the Wall” and he doesn’t like Trump purely because of “the Wall”. He says the “equine industry” would be devastated by the wall. His claim is that cheap illegal workers are essential. I’ve heard this argument many times about how agriculture, ranching depends on illegals. I say that’s bullsh!t. The solution to that is a “workers permit” system. Problem solved. If they can’t afford at least minimum wage for those workers something is wrong. I don’t buy it.
Oh yeah, This is what ranchers and some farmers depend on is the illegals, they will house them and pay them cheaply, but times are changing the illegals are getting to where they wont work for anything under minimum wage. Here in Seguin there where a few places these illegals and some with their green cards would gather and wait for contractors to come and pick them up for a day job, and alot wont work for under 14 dollars an hour, they pretty much set their own wage pay per hour.. But in the last few years I have not seen many like I use too sitting and waiting for someone to come and hire them for the day.. I'm guessing they are moving up the country for higher pay..
But none of that is their fault. You can’t blame them. The average household income in Mexico is about $12K a year, but in the US, it’s about $70K. Hell, if they make $50K up here for the same work that would earn them $12K, how can anyone fault them? We let them get away with it.
Realistically, there ought to be consequences for employers who employ illegals who don’t use E-Verify. That would help a lot. | |
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Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-12 5:18 PM
Bear - 2019-01-12 4:42 PM I have a good friend who has been a real, conservative, genuine cowboy all his life. He’s worked on ranches along the West Texas southern border growing up into his early 30s. He is opposed to “ the Wall” and he doesn’t like Trump purely because of “the Wall”. He says the “equine industry” would be devastated by the wall. His claim is that cheap illegal workers are essential. I’ve heard this argument many times about how agriculture, ranching depends on illegals. I say that’s bullsh!t. The solution to that is a “workers permit” system. Problem solved. If they can’t afford at least minimum wage for those workers something is wrong. I don’t buy it.
Oh yeah, This is what ranchers and some farmers depend on is the illegals, they will house them and pay them cheaply, but times are changing the illegals are getting to where they wont work for anything under minimum wage. Here in Seguin there where a few places these illegals and some with their green cards would gather and wait for contractors to come and pick them up for a day job, and alot wont work for under 14 dollars an hour, they pretty much set their own wage pay per hour.. But in the last few years I have not seen many like I use too sitting and waiting for someone to come and hire them for the day.. I'm guessing they are moving up the country for higher pay..
But none of that is their fault. You can’t blame them. The average household income in Mexico is about $12K a year, but in the US, it’s about $70K. Hell, if they make $50K up here for the same work that would earn them $12K, how can anyone fault them? We let them get away with it.
Realistically, there ought to be consequences for employers who employ illegals who don’t use E-Verify. That would help a lot.
Bear I worked for one of the largest contracting company's in the nation based out of D.C. for several years. They used E-Verify and employed about 1000 carpenters and about 1400 painters better than 90% where Spanish. I worked on several large projects for them as a superintendent and got to know most of them on a personal bases. I would say that 50% have fake ID's really good ones but fake. Most have DL from Colorado or California because those states are easy to get ID's The company did their job they checked E-Verify and all tax's are taken out and they are paid the prevailing wage (which is not cheap in the DC market) The company hires them because they work hard and don't *****. In my view at least with large company's it is the E-Verify system that is broken. I agree there should be a better system for guest workers from the southern boarder we do it every day on the northern boarder with little problems. But until we get the boarder under control so that they can come in legally I don't see how this can be fixed. Until congress gets off their butts and make the changes needed this will continue. The president is only enforcing the law as written which is his job. | |
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| jbhoot - 2019-01-12 9:01 PM Bear - 2019-01-12 5:45 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-12 5:18 PM Bear - 2019-01-12 4:42 PM I have a good friend who has been a real, conservative, genuine cowboy all his life. He’s worked on ranches along the West Texas southern border growing up into his early 30s. He is opposed to “ the Wall” and he doesn’t like Trump purely because of “the Wall”. He says the “equine industry” would be devastated by the wall. His claim is that cheap illegal workers are essential. I’ve heard this argument many times about how agriculture, ranching depends on illegals. I say that’s bullsh!t. The solution to that is a “workers permit” system. Problem solved. If they can’t afford at least minimum wage for those workers something is wrong. I don’t buy it. Oh yeah, This is what ranchers and some farmers depend on is the illegals, they will house them and pay them cheaply, but times are changing the illegals are getting to where they wont work for anything under minimum wage. Here in Seguin there where a few places these illegals and some with their green cards would gather and wait for contractors to come and pick them up for a day job, and alot wont work for under 14 dollars an hour, they pretty much set their own wage pay per hour.. But in the last few years I have not seen many like I use too sitting and waiting for someone to come and hire them for the day.. I'm guessing they are moving up the country for higher pay.. But none of that is their fault. You can’t blame them. The average household income in Mexico is about $12K a year, but in the US, it’s about $70K. Hell, if they make $50K up here for the same work that would earn them $12K, how can anyone fault them? We let them get away with it. Realistically, there ought to be consequences for employers who employ illegals who don’t use E-Verify. That would help a lot. Bear I worked for one of the largest contracting company's in the nation based out of D.C. for several years. They used E-Verify and employed about 1000 carpenters and about 1400 painters better than 90% where Spanish. I worked on several large projects for them as a superintendent and got to know most of them on a personal bases. I would say that 50% have fake ID's really good ones but fake. Most have DL from Colorado or California because those states are easy to get ID's The company did their job they checked E-Verify and all tax's are taken out and they are paid the prevailing wage (which is not cheap in the DC market ) The company hires them because they work hard and don't *****. In my view at least with large company's it is the E-Verify system that is broken. I agree there should be a better system for guest workers from the southern boarder we do it every day on the northern boarder with little problems. But until we get the boarder under control so that they can come in legally I don't see how this can be fixed. Until congress gets off their butts and make the changes needed this will continue. The president is only enforcing the law as written which is his job.
Ditto to the EVerify problem -- I worked as office manager at a landscaping company for 7 years and we had many employees who had multiple files under multiple names. ALL those successful through EVerify. MD is, or at least used to be, another state that was an easy ID state, so many of them would have a MD drivers license, which is nbd here in Northern VA. We even had multiple identities for the same person through the HB1 program. | |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | lonely va barrelxr - 2019-01-12 11:00 PM jbhoot - 2019-01-12 9:01 PM Bear - 2019-01-12 5:45 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-12 5:18 PM Bear - 2019-01-12 4:42 PM I have a good friend who has been a real, conservative, genuine cowboy all his life. He’s worked on ranches along the West Texas southern border growing up into his early 30s. He is opposed to “ the Wall” and he doesn’t like Trump purely because of “the Wall”. He says the “equine industry” would be devastated by the wall. His claim is that cheap illegal workers are essential. I’ve heard this argument many times about how agriculture, ranching depends on illegals. I say that’s bullsh!t. The solution to that is a “workers permit” system. Problem solved. If they can’t afford at least minimum wage for those workers something is wrong. I don’t buy it. Oh yeah, This is what ranchers and some farmers depend on is the illegals, they will house them and pay them cheaply, but times are changing the illegals are getting to where they wont work for anything under minimum wage. Here in Seguin there where a few places these illegals and some with their green cards would gather and wait for contractors to come and pick them up for a day job, and alot wont work for under 14 dollars an hour, they pretty much set their own wage pay per hour.. But in the last few years I have not seen many like I use too sitting and waiting for someone to come and hire them for the day.. I'm guessing they are moving up the country for higher pay.. But none of that is their fault. You can’t blame them. The average household income in Mexico is about $12K a year, but in the US, it’s about $70K. Hell, if they make $50K up here for the same work that would earn them $12K, how can anyone fault them? We let them get away with it. Realistically, there ought to be consequences for employers who employ illegals who don’t use E-Verify. That would help a lot. Bear I worked for one of the largest contracting company's in the nation based out of D.C. for several years. They used E-Verify and employed about 1000 carpenters and about 1400 painters better than 90% where Spanish. I worked on several large projects for them as a superintendent and got to know most of them on a personal bases. I would say that 50% have fake ID's really good ones but fake. Most have DL from Colorado or California because those states are easy to get ID's The company did their job they checked E-Verify and all tax's are taken out and they are paid the prevailing wage (which is not cheap in the DC market ) The company hires them because they work hard and don't *****. In my view at least with large company's it is the E-Verify system that is broken. I agree there should be a better system for guest workers from the southern boarder we do it every day on the northern boarder with little problems. But until we get the boarder under control so that they can come in legally I don't see how this can be fixed. Until congress gets off their butts and make the changes needed this will continue. The president is only enforcing the law as written which is his job.
Ditto to the EVerify problem -- I worked as office manager at a landscaping company for 7 years and we had many employees who had multiple files under multiple names. ALL those successful through EVerify. MD is, or at least used to be, another state that was an easy ID state, so many of them would have a MD drivers license, which is nbd here in Northern VA. We even had multiple identities for the same person through the HB1 program.
I really have no idea why E-Verify has not been implemented. That was about the only thing Romney was right about. It should have been implemented a couple decades ago. It actually was in Reagan's Act back in 1986. Never truly implemented. It would raise wages. As all this talk with ranches and landscapers, if they paid real wages to actual citizens, E-Verify would work. With ranches and landscapers...just to name a few of industry categories that do this...they keep wages way low. They would self-deport if there was E-Verify. I do agree with a 'work permit' to a certain degree as well if it was handled right. I still agree with The Wall too. | |
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Location: Kansas | jbhoot - 2019-01-12 8:01 PM Bear - 2019-01-12 5:45 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-12 5:18 PM Bear - 2019-01-12 4:42 PM I have a good friend who has been a real, conservative, genuine cowboy all his life. He’s worked on ranches along the West Texas southern border growing up into his early 30s. He is opposed to “ the Wall” and he doesn’t like Trump purely because of “the Wall”. He says the “equine industry” would be devastated by the wall. His claim is that cheap illegal workers are essential. I’ve heard this argument many times about how agriculture, ranching depends on illegals. I say that’s bullsh!t. The solution to that is a “workers permit” system. Problem solved. If they can’t afford at least minimum wage for those workers something is wrong. I don’t buy it. Oh yeah, This is what ranchers and some farmers depend on is the illegals, they will house them and pay them cheaply, but times are changing the illegals are getting to where they wont work for anything under minimum wage. Here in Seguin there where a few places these illegals and some with their green cards would gather and wait for contractors to come and pick them up for a day job, and alot wont work for under 14 dollars an hour, they pretty much set their own wage pay per hour.. But in the last few years I have not seen many like I use too sitting and waiting for someone to come and hire them for the day.. I'm guessing they are moving up the country for higher pay.. But none of that is their fault. You can’t blame them. The average household income in Mexico is about $12K a year, but in the US, it’s about $70K. Hell, if they make $50K up here for the same work that would earn them $12K, how can anyone fault them? We let them get away with it. Realistically, there ought to be consequences for employers who employ illegals who don’t use E-Verify. That would help a lot. Bear I worked for one of the largest contracting company's in the nation based out of D.C. for several years. They used E-Verify and employed about 1000 carpenters and about 1400 painters better than 90% where Spanish. I worked on several large projects for them as a superintendent and got to know most of them on a personal bases. I would say that 50% have fake ID's really good ones but fake. Most have DL from Colorado or California because those states are easy to get ID's The company did their job they checked E-Verify and all tax's are taken out and they are paid the prevailing wage (which is not cheap in the DC market ) The company hires them because they work hard and don't *****. In my view at least with large company's it is the E-Verify system that is broken. I agree there should be a better system for guest workers from the southern boarder we do it every day on the northern boarder with little problems. But until we get the boarder under control so that they can come in legally I don't see how this can be fixed. Until congress gets off their butts and make the changes needed this will continue. The president is only enforcing the law as written which is his job.
With regard to Congress getting off their butts, a herd of Democrat Congressmen are in Puerto Rico this weekend basking in the sun, watching "Hamilton" and meeting with lobbyists. I believe this includes Nancy Pelosi. The shutdown and border crisis is the last things on their minds. So is everything else related to their actual jobs. So proud I work hard to pay their salaries.
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Frodo - 2019-01-13 1:17 PM jbhoot - 2019-01-12 8:01 PM Bear - 2019-01-12 5:45 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-12 5:18 PM Bear - 2019-01-12 4:42 PM I have a good friend who has been a real, conservative, genuine cowboy all his life. He’s worked on ranches along the West Texas southern border growing up into his early 30s. He is opposed to “ the Wall” and he doesn’t like Trump purely because of “the Wall”. He says the “equine industry” would be devastated by the wall. His claim is that cheap illegal workers are essential. I’ve heard this argument many times about how agriculture, ranching depends on illegals. I say that’s bullsh!t. The solution to that is a “workers permit” system. Problem solved. If they can’t afford at least minimum wage for those workers something is wrong. I don’t buy it. Oh yeah, This is what ranchers and some farmers depend on is the illegals, they will house them and pay them cheaply, but times are changing the illegals are getting to where they wont work for anything under minimum wage. Here in Seguin there where a few places these illegals and some with their green cards would gather and wait for contractors to come and pick them up for a day job, and alot wont work for under 14 dollars an hour, they pretty much set their own wage pay per hour.. But in the last few years I have not seen many like I use too sitting and waiting for someone to come and hire them for the day.. I'm guessing they are moving up the country for higher pay.. But none of that is their fault. You can’t blame them. The average household income in Mexico is about $12K a year, but in the US, it’s about $70K. Hell, if they make $50K up here for the same work that would earn them $12K, how can anyone fault them? We let them get away with it. Realistically, there ought to be consequences for employers who employ illegals who don’t use E-Verify. That would help a lot. Bear I worked for one of the largest contracting company's in the nation based out of D.C. for several years. They used E-Verify and employed about 1000 carpenters and about 1400 painters better than 90% where Spanish. I worked on several large projects for them as a superintendent and got to know most of them on a personal bases. I would say that 50% have fake ID's really good ones but fake. Most have DL from Colorado or California because those states are easy to get ID's The company did their job they checked E-Verify and all tax's are taken out and they are paid the prevailing wage (which is not cheap in the DC market ) The company hires them because they work hard and don't *****. In my view at least with large company's it is the E-Verify system that is broken. I agree there should be a better system for guest workers from the southern boarder we do it every day on the northern boarder with little problems. But until we get the boarder under control so that they can come in legally I don't see how this can be fixed. Until congress gets off their butts and make the changes needed this will continue. The president is only enforcing the law as written which is his job.
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Frodo - 2019-01-13 1:17 PM jbhoot - 2019-01-12 8:01 PM Bear - 2019-01-12 5:45 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-12 5:18 PM Bear - 2019-01-12 4:42 PM I have a good friend who has been a real, conservative, genuine cowboy all his life. He’s worked on ranches along the West Texas southern border growing up into his early 30s. He is opposed to “ the Wall” and he doesn’t like Trump purely because of “the Wall”. He says the “equine industry” would be devastated by the wall. His claim is that cheap illegal workers are essential. I’ve heard this argument many times about how agriculture, ranching depends on illegals. I say that’s bullsh!t. The solution to that is a “workers permit” system. Problem solved. If they can’t afford at least minimum wage for those workers something is wrong. I don’t buy it. Oh yeah, This is what ranchers and some farmers depend on is the illegals, they will house them and pay them cheaply, but times are changing the illegals are getting to where they wont work for anything under minimum wage. Here in Seguin there where a few places these illegals and some with their green cards would gather and wait for contractors to come and pick them up for a day job, and alot wont work for under 14 dollars an hour, they pretty much set their own wage pay per hour.. But in the last few years I have not seen many like I use too sitting and waiting for someone to come and hire them for the day.. I'm guessing they are moving up the country for higher pay.. But none of that is their fault. You can’t blame them. The average household income in Mexico is about $12K a year, but in the US, it’s about $70K. Hell, if they make $50K up here for the same work that would earn them $12K, how can anyone fault them? We let them get away with it. Realistically, there ought to be consequences for employers who employ illegals who don’t use E-Verify. That would help a lot. Bear I worked for one of the largest contracting company's in the nation based out of D.C. for several years. They used E-Verify and employed about 1000 carpenters and about 1400 painters better than 90% where Spanish. I worked on several large projects for them as a superintendent and got to know most of them on a personal bases. I would say that 50% have fake ID's really good ones but fake. Most have DL from Colorado or California because those states are easy to get ID's The company did their job they checked E-Verify and all tax's are taken out and they are paid the prevailing wage (which is not cheap in the DC market ) The company hires them because they work hard and don't *****. In my view at least with large company's it is the E-Verify system that is broken. I agree there should be a better system for guest workers from the southern boarder we do it every day on the northern boarder with little problems. But until we get the boarder under control so that they can come in legally I don't see how this can be fixed. Until congress gets off their butts and make the changes needed this will continue. The president is only enforcing the law as written which is his job.
I think it because it is a government program garbage in garbage out situation. I think we would be farther ahead to have Amex or Amazon run the E-Verify program. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | jbhoot - 2019-01-13 3:13 PM Gator Bug - 2019-01-13 1:51 PM Frodo - 2019-01-13 1:17 PM jbhoot - 2019-01-12 8:01 PM Bear - 2019-01-12 5:45 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-12 5:18 PM Bear - 2019-01-12 4:42 PM I have a good friend who has been a real, conservative, genuine cowboy all his life. He’s worked on ranches along the West Texas southern border growing up into his early 30s. He is opposed to “ the Wall” and he doesn’t like Trump purely because of “the Wall”. He says the “equine industry” would be devastated by the wall. His claim is that cheap illegal workers are essential. I’ve heard this argument many times about how agriculture, ranching depends on illegals. I say that’s bullsh!t. The solution to that is a “workers permit” system. Problem solved. If they can’t afford at least minimum wage for those workers something is wrong. I don’t buy it. Oh yeah, This is what ranchers and some farmers depend on is the illegals, they will house them and pay them cheaply, but times are changing the illegals are getting to where they wont work for anything under minimum wage. Here in Seguin there where a few places these illegals and some with their green cards would gather and wait for contractors to come and pick them up for a day job, and alot wont work for under 14 dollars an hour, they pretty much set their own wage pay per hour.. But in the last few years I have not seen many like I use too sitting and waiting for someone to come and hire them for the day.. I'm guessing they are moving up the country for higher pay.. But none of that is their fault. You can’t blame them. The average household income in Mexico is about $12K a year, but in the US, it’s about $70K. Hell, if they make $50K up here for the same work that would earn them $12K, how can anyone fault them? We let them get away with it. Realistically, there ought to be consequences for employers who employ illegals who don’t use E-Verify. That would help a lot. Bear I worked for one of the largest contracting company's in the nation based out of D.C. for several years. They used E-Verify and employed about 1000 carpenters and about 1400 painters better than 90% where Spanish. I worked on several large projects for them as a superintendent and got to know most of them on a personal bases. I would say that 50% have fake ID's really good ones but fake. Most have DL from Colorado or California because those states are easy to get ID's The company did their job they checked E-Verify and all tax's are taken out and they are paid the prevailing wage (which is not cheap in the DC market ) The company hires them because they work hard and don't *****. In my view at least with large company's it is the E-Verify system that is broken. I agree there should be a better system for guest workers from the southern boarder we do it every day on the northern boarder with little problems. But until we get the boarder under control so that they can come in legally I don't see how this can be fixed. Until congress gets off their butts and make the changes needed this will continue. The president is only enforcing the law as written which is his job. I think it because it is a government program garbage in garbage out situation. I think we would be farther ahead to have Amex or Amazon run the E-Verify program.
Yept since its all government ran it will never be fixed unless they the government decides to get on the ball with Trump and do something about all this mess they caused. Trump is trying and getting that Wall up and slowing down the flow of illegals will be a big step in getting all the cra* under control.. BUT its been this way for many many years under all the Presidents in the last 15 plus years, because no one gave a rats a** untill Trump. | |
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Location: Arkansas | jbhoot - 2019-01-13 3:13 PM
Gator Bug - 2019-01-13 1:51 PM
Frodo - 2019-01-13 1:17 PM jbhoot - 2019-01-12 8:01 PM Bear - 2019-01-12 5:45 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-12 5:18 PM Bear - 2019-01-12 4:42 PM I have a good friend who has been a real, conservative, genuine cowboy all his life. He’s worked on ranches along the West Texas southern border growing up into his early 30s. He is opposed to “ the Wall” and he doesn’t like Trump purely because of “the Wall”. He says the “equine industry” would be devastated by the wall. His claim is that cheap illegal workers are essential. I’ve heard this argument many times about how agriculture, ranching depends on illegals. I say that’s bullsh!t. The solution to that is a “workers permit” system. Problem solved. If they can’t afford at least minimum wage for those workers something is wrong. I don’t buy it. Oh yeah, This is what ranchers and some farmers depend on is the illegals, they will house them and pay them cheaply, but times are changing the illegals are getting to where they wont work for anything under minimum wage. Here in Seguin there where a few places these illegals and some with their green cards would gather and wait for contractors to come and pick them up for a day job, and alot wont work for under 14 dollars an hour, they pretty much set their own wage pay per hour.. But in the last few years I have not seen many like I use too sitting and waiting for someone to come and hire them for the day.. I'm guessing they are moving up the country for higher pay.. But none of that is their fault. You can’t blame them. The average household income in Mexico is about $12K a year, but in the US, it’s about $70K. Hell, if they make $50K up here for the same work that would earn them $12K, how can anyone fault them? We let them get away with it. Realistically, there ought to be consequences for employers who employ illegals who don’t use E-Verify. That would help a lot. Bear I worked for one of the largest contracting company's in the nation based out of D.C. for several years. They used E-Verify and employed about 1000 carpenters and about 1400 painters better than 90% where Spanish. I worked on several large projects for them as a superintendent and got to know most of them on a personal bases. I would say that 50% have fake ID's really good ones but fake. Most have DL from Colorado or California because those states are easy to get ID's The company did their job they checked E-Verify and all tax's are taken out and they are paid the prevailing wage (which is not cheap in the DC market ) The company hires them because they work hard and don't *****. In my view at least with large company's it is the E-Verify system that is broken. I agree there should be a better system for guest workers from the southern boarder we do it every day on the northern boarder with little problems. But until we get the boarder under control so that they can come in legally I don't see how this can be fixed. Until congress gets off their butts and make the changes needed this will continue. The president is only enforcing the law as written which is his job.
I think it because it is a government program garbage in garbage out situation. I think we would be farther ahead to have Amex or Amazon run the E-Verify program.
Amazon does everything else--I think you're on to something
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Except Amazon, google and all the other big tech based companies are owned by libtards. They don't want to fix anything.
Something you all need to understand is the left doesn't want to fix immigration. The only reason they all talked about it like they did, is they KNEW they would do nothing along with their RINO buddies. They are the ying and the yang of our political system for the last few decades. Trump is an outsider. Don't be fooled by the R behind his name. The political elite need illegals and idiots to keep voting for them. It should scare the crap out of all of us the truth of the matter. It scares the crap out of me. That's why I'm so dead set against anything the left wants. Some R's are decent people. Dems stick together. There aren't any of them I would trust. | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | See how long this has been going on?
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Location: Kansas | Stacy Abrams who lost the governors race in Georgia is strongly behind allowing non-citizens to vote as are most Democrats. Would that mean if I lived in China I could just mail my vote in to the U.S.?
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I shared this on FB.
Long but please read. The recent history of border wall/barrier legislation. Where is the money? Thanks to Michael Taylor for this research.
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President Trump....
Sen. Schumer, Speaker Pelosi...
Members of Congress....
Fund The Wall, Fence, Barrier, Open The Gov't..
Sen. Schumer authored a Bill in 2013, S.744, which Congress Passed on Border Security and Immigration. In that Bill, sect 6, "Funding", $46.3 Billion was moved from the Treasury to a Trust for the Border Fencing, Detection Devices, Equip., etc. Take the $5.6 Billion needed for the Fencing, Barrier, Wall and Use that money already Approved for the Same Fencing that Pres. Trump is demanding, which is already sitting in Trust. That Money was Approved for Fencing...Use It, and then reopen the Gov't...Simple..
These are all the Bills and Reports, on Illegals, Border Security and Fencing, going back to 1993. Funding has been approved in Each Bill, and it would appear, only used Once, since Each Succeeding Bill authorizes Funding to "Repair" and Add to the Fencing, that was originally built. 654 Miles of Fencing, which each bill states is in need of repair...The $46.3 Billion moved from the Treasury to the Trust, as demanded in S.744, that Money should Be There..if Not, Where is It..??
** 1993... "Operation Gatekeeper". " USBP needed, among other things, a “rigid” enforcement system that could integrate infrastructure (i.e., a multi-tiered fence and roads), manpower, and new technologies to further control the border region. The concept of a three-tiered fence system was first recommended by a 1993 Sandia Laboratories study commissioned by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS)." Hillary Clinton Defended This Until 2008....
** 1994...GAO Report Issued To "The Honorable Gary A. Condit Chairman, Subcommittee on Information, Justice, Transportation and Agriculture Committee on Government Operations House of Representatives. "This report responds to your request concerning the adequacy of United States efforts to secure the southwest border. Specifically, you asked us to (1) determine the extent of the threat from drug smuggling and illegal immigration and (2) identify ways to enhance security between the ports of entry."
** 1996...Congress Passed H.R. 2202, Public Law 104-208,104th Congress "Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigration Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) of 1996." ‘‘§ 611. Voting by aliens ‘‘(a) It shall be unlawful for any alien to vote in any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing a candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner." Hillary Clinton Defended This Until 2008...
** 2002...Congress Passed H.R. 5005, Public Law 107–296,107th Congress "‘‘Homeland Security Act of 2002’’. This Bill Created DHS, Enhanced Border Security, Immigration, Fence Barriers Along Our Southern Border...Hillary Clinton Defended This Until 2008...
** 2006...Congress Passed H.R. 6061, Public Law 109-367, 109th Congress "Security Fence Act 2006". "This bill will help protect the American people. This bill will make our borders more secure. It is an important step toward immigration reform." Senate Passed 80-19...Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi Defended This Bill...
** 2007...CRS Report For Congress, Border Security: The San Diego Fence. "This report outlines the issues involved with DHS’s construction of the San Diego border fence and highlights some of the major legislative and administrative developments regarding its completion; it will be updated as warranted.1 Congress first authorized the construction of a 14-mile, triple-layered fence along the U.S.-Mexico border near San Diego in the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigration Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) of 1996. By 2004, only nine miles had been completed, and construction was halted because of environmental concerns."
** 2009...U.S. GAO-09-896, Secure Border Initiative: Technology Deployment Delays Persist and the Impact of Border Fencing Has Not Been Assessed. "When last reported in February 2009, the completion date had slipped to 2016. As a result of such delays, Border Patrol agents continue to use existing technology that has limitations, such as performance shortfalls and maintenance issues."
** 2013...Senate Bill S. 744, 113th Congress, Border Security, Economic Opportunity, And Immigration Modernization Act. Authored By: Sen. Chuck Schumer. " Sec. 6. COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM FUNDS." (2) Deposits, (A), Initial Funding- Ont the later of the date of the enactment of this Act or October 1, 2013, $46,300,000,000 shall be transferred from the general fund of the Treasury, to the Trust Fund."
Since this Money has been approved and transferred, that money IS There for the $5.6-Billion that President Trump has Asked For, and Now Schumer , Pelosi and the Liberals in Congress who Approved these, until 2016, when Hillary Lost, Is saying NO.?? | |
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Location: SW New Mexico | OregonBR - 2019-01-15 1:01 PM
I shared this on FB.
Long but please read. The recent history of border wall/barrier legislation. Where is the money? Thanks to Michael Taylor for this research.
Jo Anne Moretti
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via: Michael Taylor
President Trump....
Sen. Schumer, Speaker Pelosi...
Members of Congress....
Fund The Wall, Fence, Barrier, Open The Gov't..
Sen. Schumer authored a Bill in 2013, S.744, which Congress Passed on Border Security and Immigration. In that Bill, sect 6, "Funding", $46.3 Billion was moved from the Treasury to a Trust for the Border Fencing, Detection Devices, Equip., etc. Take the $5.6 Billion needed for the Fencing, Barrier, Wall and Use that money already Approved for the Same Fencing that Pres. Trump is demanding, which is already sitting in Trust. That Money was Approved for Fencing...Use It, and then reopen the Gov't...Simple..
These are all the Bills and Reports, on Illegals, Border Security and Fencing, going back to 1993. Funding has been approved in Each Bill, and it would appear, only used Once, since Each Succeeding Bill authorizes Funding to "Repair" and Add to the Fencing, that was originally built. 654 Miles of Fencing, which each bill states is in need of repair...The $46.3 Billion moved from the Treasury to the Trust, as demanded in S.744, that Money should Be There..if Not, Where is It..??
** 1993... "Operation Gatekeeper". " USBP needed, among other things, a “rigid” enforcement system that could integrate infrastructure (i.e., a multi-tiered fence and roads), manpower, and new technologies to further control the border region. The concept of a three-tiered fence system was first recommended by a 1993 Sandia Laboratories study commissioned by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS)." Hillary Clinton Defended This Until 2008....
** 1994...GAO Report Issued To "The Honorable Gary A. Condit Chairman, Subcommittee on Information, Justice, Transportation and Agriculture Committee on Government Operations House of Representatives. "This report responds to your request concerning the adequacy of United States efforts to secure the southwest border. Specifically, you asked us to (1) determine the extent of the threat from drug smuggling and illegal immigration and (2) identify ways to enhance security between the ports of entry."
** 1996...Congress Passed H.R. 2202, Public Law 104-208,104th Congress "Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigration Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) of 1996." ‘‘§ 611. Voting by aliens ‘‘(a) It shall be unlawful for any alien to vote in any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing a candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner." Hillary Clinton Defended This Until 2008...
** 2002...Congress Passed H.R. 5005, Public Law 107–296,107th Congress "‘‘Homeland Security Act of 2002’’. This Bill Created DHS, Enhanced Border Security, Immigration, Fence Barriers Along Our Southern Border...Hillary Clinton Defended This Until 2008...
** 2006...Congress Passed H.R. 6061, Public Law 109-367, 109th Congress "Security Fence Act 2006". "This bill will help protect the American people. This bill will make our borders more secure. It is an important step toward immigration reform." Senate Passed 80-19...Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi Defended This Bill...
** 2007...CRS Report For Congress, Border Security: The San Diego Fence. "This report outlines the issues involved with DHS’s construction of the San Diego border fence and highlights some of the major legislative and administrative developments regarding its completion; it will be updated as warranted.1 Congress first authorized the construction of a 14-mile, triple-layered fence along the U.S.-Mexico border near San Diego in the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigration Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) of 1996. By 2004, only nine miles had been completed, and construction was halted because of environmental concerns."
** 2009...U.S. GAO-09-896, Secure Border Initiative: Technology Deployment Delays Persist and the Impact of Border Fencing Has Not Been Assessed. "When last reported in February 2009, the completion date had slipped to 2016. As a result of such delays, Border Patrol agents continue to use existing technology that has limitations, such as performance shortfalls and maintenance issues."
** 2013...Senate Bill S. 744, 113th Congress, Border Security, Economic Opportunity, And Immigration Modernization Act. Authored By: Sen. Chuck Schumer. " Sec. 6. COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM FUNDS." (2) Deposits, (A), Initial Funding- Ont the later of the date of the enactment of this Act or October 1, 2013, $46,300,000,000 shall be transferred from the general fund of the Treasury, to the Trust Fund."
Since this Money has been approved and transferred, that money IS There for the $5.6-Billion that President Trump has Asked For, and Now Schumer , Pelosi and the Liberals in Congress who Approved these, until 2016, when Hillary Lost, Is saying NO.??
unable to post these pictures ..darn..
but have a few from Antelope wells in Southwest New Mexico in the Boot Heel..
taken by residents there who are my friends and ranchers ...Farmers... good horse people... Wanting people who have no clue to see..theres s real crisis down here...for a wall..more border security.
Obama spent money on Normandy fencing...easy to get over those..got pix but can't post..
Illegal aliens are flowing through there like it's a freeway. If I could I'm going to try to post pictures we are trying to get more people to be aware that we need help.
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Location: Kansas | I was watching FOX early this morning and they showed where now two caravans are headed for our border. One from Honduras and one from El Salvador. There are thousands coming. Whenever they camp they leave tons of garbage. They were sleeping in the streets in Guatemala City and there were heaps of trash everywhere. This is the way they will treat our country.
These people are fat, well dressed and most have cell phones. I know the caravans are well organized by people who hate America but how the heck are these people being fed. It will take millions to feed them all the way to the U.S. border.
Wake up Democrats. This is not going to end. All of Central America is emptying into the U.S.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Frodo - 2019-01-17 6:52 AM
I was watching FOX early this morning and they showed where now two caravans are headed for our border. One from Honduras and one from El Salvador. There are thousands coming. Whenever they camp they leave tons of garbage. They were sleeping in the streets in Guatemala City and there were heaps of trash everywhere. This is the way they will treat our country.
These people are fat, well dressed and most have cell phones. I know the caravans are well organized by people who hate America but how the heck are these people being fed. It will take millions to feed them all the way to the U.S. border.
Wake up Democrats. This is not going to end. All of Central America is emptying into the U.S.
It's easy to understand the dems if you know they want these people here to vote for them. That's the only way they keep the power or gain more. To out-vote us. Erasing borders is an integral part of the plan. Just like it's easy to understand what Ovomit was about if you realize he's the instrument of the One World Order cabal. Then it ALL becomes crystal clear. | |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Frodo - 2019-01-17 8:52 AM I was watching FOX early this morning and they showed where now two caravans are headed for our border. One from Honduras and one from El Salvador. There are thousands coming. Whenever they camp they leave tons of garbage. They were sleeping in the streets in Guatemala City and there were heaps of trash everywhere. This is the way they will treat our country. These people are fat, well dressed and most have cell phones. I know the caravans are well organized by people who hate America but how the heck are these people being fed. It will take millions to feed them all the way to the U.S. border. Wake up Democrats. This is not going to end. All of Central America is emptying into the U.S.
This is what most not all but most Democrats want, they want those people over here so they the Dems can control what happens here in the States, as long as they keep those people coming and getting them here in the states the Dems will have all their votes once they get them living here legally. The Dems need them illegal or legally.. | |
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