First off I am not a racing expert by any means, but JMHO, I think for the first time in derby history, this race was won by politics. Very sad day in horse racing :(
I disagree. We watched too that video from different angles on the screen too. We all saw the obvious interference. One trainer made a good point. On any other race day the winner would have been dq’ed with very little fuss for the same thing. Is Maximum Security an awesome horse who led wire to wire. Yes. Did he jump a puddle or veer out about five wide and nearly cause a tremendous wreck about banging into two horses definitely getting right in front of and on top of another. Yes. Rules are rules. People in general don’t like to see their favorites impacted. But it was a fair call and there is plenty of video evidence and thousands of other everyday races to set as a precedent to prove it.
when i saw him move over i thought ohoho it could have been bad totally agree however in my peabody brain if if if he had not moved over he would have won by several more lenght they were not gonna catch him even the jock sad me moved nothing the jock could have done prevent it happening justy my 2 cents
No Politics, just a race with a unfortunate event that happen, was nobodys fault. I thought the Jocky did a great job of getting Maximum Security straighten back out.
Country House will always be known as the "Winner by Default" of the 2019 Kentucky Derby. I shouldn't be too upset. it moved my "pick" up a place ...... 2nd - Code of Honor!
Everyone in TB racing should be Thanking the Powers that Be!!!! This could have been devasting for Jockeys and Horses. All I can see/think about is that horse going down, surely the jockey would have been killed, then most of the other horses going down and who know what the death toll would have been for jockeys and horses.
I don't buy the comment from the jockey saying the noise from the crowd caused the horse to move over...........horses move away from whatever scares them.
If it was caused by the Jockey or the horse just moved over, just be greatful that all made it through that race by the Grace of God.
Country House will always be known as the "Winner by Default" of the 2019 Kentucky Derby. I shouldn't be too upset. it moved my "pick" up a place ...... 2nd - Code of Honor!
That's exactly what I told Sean, winner by default is what he's gonna be called. . . Like someone else said, I'm so very thankful because this could have been devastation beyond belief. Good Lord blessed everyone (4 and 2 legged both) when they all walked off that track rather than being trucked off.
When there is interference the horse at fault is taken down. Politics played no part in the decision that was made. It happens daily at tracks around the world. It is unfortunate that it happened in the Derby, but the stewards made the correct call. It is very fortunate that a tee-total wreck that could have been devastating for many horses and jockeys did not happen, because it very well could have.
I feel that if the connections of Will of War had lodged the inquiry - we wouldn’t be having nearly as much conversation about it. The interference was clear. The fact that the connections of Country House were the ones to lodge the inquiry is what gets my goat a little.
I think the call was the right one. The stewards were in a very difficult spot once the inquiry was lodged.
Had they not DQ’d Maximum Security would we be here talking about how big names trainers and prodigy undefeated colts get to bend the rules and screw the little guy?
I thought it was unfair as well until a horse racing industry friend of mine posted screen captures from the race to show how the pink silks BEHIND the leader was interefered with. Their legs were intertwined, and the following horse was even almost sideways at one point trying to keep himself upright. It was a dangerous situation. Once I saw those views (the newscasters made it sound like the leader just veered out, which pushed 20 to the outside a little and I didnt really understand what was so bad about that) it made sense to me...he broke rules...he could have caused a disaster. He may have been the best and fastest horse, but he did something wrong--intentionally or not.
As for that jockey---I'd hate to be him right now.
I feel that if the connections of Will of War had lodged the inquiry - we wouldn’t be having nearly as much conversation about it. The interference was clear. The fact that the connections of Country House were the ones to lodge the inquiry is what gets my goat a little.
I think the call was the right one. The stewards were in a very difficult spot once the inquiry was lodged.
Had they not DQ’d Maximum Security would we be here talking about how big names trainers and prodigy undefeated colts get to bend the rules and screw the little guy?
Agree. That is what confused me. And the commentators only spoke about Country House, not the horse that was really effected. My racing friend says any trainer in that race could have the objection, and it made the most sense for Country House trainer to do so, because he could have won.
Can someone explain to me how the lanes are marked on the track? Would that mean that the number 21 horse should be on the outside rail while he appears to be on the inside rail?
Country House will always be known as the "Winner by Default" of the 2019 Kentucky Derby. I shouldn't be too upset. it moved my "pick" up a place ...... 2nd - Code of Honor!
Default or not I'd be happy winning $1.8M. Take it and sell him.
One of my FB friends shared an article explaining Level 1 and Level 2 rules in horse racing and how outside of the US and Canada, Maximum Security would not have been DQ'd. US and Canada follow Level 2 rules, which state that if a horse interferes with any other horse they're DQ'd. Level 1 rules state that the horse is only DQ'd if interferes with a horse winning, I think? Something along those lines. So in other words, since Maximum Security did not interfere with Country House, he would not have been DQ'd if the US followed Level 1 rules. But I can't find it to share the link with you all.
Maybe someone else here has read the article and will share.
Like others, it really bothers me that it wasn't the owner/jockey of the horse that Max interfered with that lodged the complaint, but rather those who simply benefited from him being DQ'd but weren't affected by his interference at all.
One of my FB friends shared an article explaining Level 1 and Level 2 rules in horse racing and how outside of the US and Canada, Maximum Security would not have been DQ'd. US and Canada follow Level 2 rules, which state that if a horse interferes with any other horse they're DQ'd. Level 1 rules state that the horse is only DQ'd if interferes with a horse winning, I think? Something along those lines. So in other words, since Maximum Security did not interfere with Country House, he would not have been DQ'd if the US followed Level 1 rules. But I can't find it to share the link with you all.
Maybe someone else here has read the article and will share.
Like others, it really bothers me that it wasn't the owner/jockey of the horse that Max interfered with that lodged the complaint, but rather those who simply benefited from him being DQ'd but weren't affected by his interference at all.
Uhhhh.... Jon Court on 18 also lodged an inquiry. If anyone's getting mad about who lodged the inquiry- it should be the stewards who should have lodged the initial inquiry as soon as they crossed the line. Bottom line- it doesn't matter which jockey lodged the inquiry. They all saw what happened and how bad it was out there.
The news media has just done a horrible job of reporting that Court did as well. Mark Casse (trainer of WoW) said he didn't tell Tyler Gaffalione to lodge an objection because they finished 7th and well "what's the point." Casse only saw it live, he didn't actually see how bad it was. Should Tyler have objected? Well, yeah. But hindsight's 20/20.
One of my FB friends shared an article explaining Level 1 and Level 2 rules in horse racing and how outside of the US and Canada, Maximum Security would not have been DQ'd. US and Canada follow Level 2 rules, which state that if a horse interferes with any other horse they're DQ'd. Level 1 rules state that the horse is only DQ'd if interferes with a horse winning, I think? Something along those lines. So in other words, since Maximum Security did not interfere with Country House, he would not have been DQ'd if the US followed Level 1 rules. But I can't find it to share the link with you all.
Maybe someone else here has read the article and will share.
Like others, it really bothers me that it wasn't the owner/jockey of the horse that Max interfered with that lodged the complaint, but rather those who simply benefited from him being DQ'd but weren't affected by his interference at all.
Uhhhh.... Jon Court on 18 also lodged an inquiry. If anyone's getting mad about who lodged the inquiry- it should be the stewards who should have lodged the initial inquiry as soon as they crossed the line. Bottom line- it doesn't matter which jockey lodged the inquiry. They all saw what happened and how bad it was out there.
The news media has just done a horrible job of reporting that Court did as well. Mark Casse (trainer of WoW) said he didn't tell Tyler Gaffalione to lodge an objection because they finished 7th and well "what's the point." Casse only saw it live, he didn't actually see how bad it was. Should Tyler have objected? Well, yeah. But hindsight's 20/20.
You're right the news media has done a terrible job of reporting that Jon Court lodged an inquiry too. I had not read a single article stating this (granted I have not read every single one that I have seen shared but still). So thanks for pointing that out.
Gary West owner of Maximum Security speaks out on Disqualification on the Today show this morning and said he would file an appeal with the State Racing Commission..
I can tell you...I wouldn't want to "win" the Derby the way Country House did...by default. He wasn't affected by the kerfluffle...and still couldnt pass the faster horse. No matter wether it was a good call or a bad one...that asterisk next to the win will always take some of the joy and pride out of it.
One of my FB friends shared an article explaining Level 1 and Level 2 rules in horse racing and how outside of the US and Canada, Maximum Security would not have been DQ'd. US and Canada follow Level 2 rules, which state that if a horse interferes with any other horse they're DQ'd. Level 1 rules state that the horse is only DQ'd if interferes with a horse winning, I think? Something along those lines. So in other words, since Maximum Security did not interfere with Country House, he would not have been DQ'd if the US followed Level 1 rules. But I can't find it to share the link with you all.
Maybe someone else here has read the article and will share.
Like others, it really bothers me that it wasn't the owner/jockey of the horse that Max interfered with that lodged the complaint, but rather those who simply benefited from him being DQ'd but weren't affected by his interference at all.
Uhhhh.... Jon Court on 18 also lodged an inquiry. If anyone's getting mad about who lodged the inquiry- it should be the stewards who should have lodged the initial inquiry as soon as they crossed the line. Bottom line- it doesn't matter which jockey lodged the inquiry. They all saw what happened and how bad it was out there.
The news media has just done a horrible job of reporting that Court did as well. Mark Casse (trainer of WoW) said he didn't tell Tyler Gaffalione to lodge an objection because they finished 7th and well "what's the point." Casse only saw it live, he didn't actually see how bad it was. Should Tyler have objected? Well, yeah. But hindsight's 20/20.
Yes.. what you said.... LOL
I thought WOW should have lodged the objection and didn’t. But then looking at the tape, Max did foul the other horses too.
Now, I thought I was pretty knowledgeable about horse racing. However... I thought that if the person/horse that was fouled/filed the complaint was deprived of the win or even placing, then the stewards ONLY looked at that particular foul. Then, my hubby that does know more, said no. He said if ANY objection is filed then the WHOLE race is looked at. So, I guess, it really didn’t matter that WOW didn’t file. Max fouled him and then the others. I didn’t realize all that (my hubby knew) with the TB racing. All this time, I had no clue.
I hope I explained that all right and sensible. I didn’t know what my hubby knew.... imagine that! LOL
I have read some very good comments & I thank you all for them. I respect everyone's thoughts. And this to shall pass. Just a sad situation for all involved.
The money won by winning the Derby by default spends just as good as money won without a default.
Maximum Security started a domino effect that took 3-4 horses out of placing. The horse that won survived the fallout and capitalized on it.
The field was catching him...hence why so many were effected.
Im just glad America doesn’t follow those ridiculous Level 2 rules. Take about allowing the leasing jockey to ride dirty with no consequences.
I thought America and Canada did follow Level 2 (stricter), and the rest of the world was Level 1?
Or do I have that backwards?
Maybe I was confused reading the replies. I’m just glad that our rules don’t allow the lead horses rider to have a free for all. While the lead horse has the right to all lanes, the horse must first be clear of the rest of the field.
The money won by winning the Derby by default spends just as good as money won without a default.
Maximum Security started a domino effect that took 3-4 horses out of placing. The horse that won survived the fallout and capitalized on it.
The field was catching him...hence why so many were effected.
Im just glad America doesn’t follow those ridiculous Level 2 rules. Take about allowing the leasing jockey to ride dirty with no consequences.
I thought America and Canada did follow Level 2 (stricter), and the rest of the world was Level 1?
Or do I have that backwards?
Maybe I was confused reading the replies. I’m just glad that our rules don’t allow the lead horses rider to have a free for all. While the lead horse has the right to all lanes, the horse must first be clear of the rest of the field.
Can you explain to me where the lanes are on a track?
Streakysox a horse can be in any lane as long as they don't impede another horse in their lane. This situation was pretty clear that MS was in about the 2 path and came out to about the 4 path. Then his rider steared him back and actually almost impeded the horse on the rail. So he was all over the place. The stewards did the right thing.
The only objection I have to DQ'ing horses in a race is when one persons horse is allowed to go all over the place and another persons horse is taken down for the same thing. Happened to me when I had racehorses. I don't have racehorses anymore.
A lane is the path of a running horse, as long as the path of the other running horse is clear you can move your horse over, if not a clear path and the your horse swerves or ridden into a path of another running horse and its does interfere with another horse as in bumping or having to pull up and risking another horse to run up on you or worst that is a cause for the interfereing horse to be disqualified.
The lanes are not marked, a lane is the path of running horses. Just saying for the ones that are wanting to know where a lane is. I meant to be Quoting StreakySox
I feel that if the connections of Will of War had lodged the inquiry - we wouldn’t be having nearly as much conversation about it. The interference was clear. The fact that the connections of Country House were the ones to lodge the inquiry is what gets my goat a little.
I think the call was the right one. The stewards were in a very difficult spot once the inquiry was lodged.
Had they not DQ’d Maximum Security would we be here talking about how big names trainers and prodigy undefeated colts get to bend the rules and screw the little guy?
Jon. Court lodged a complaint as well and that would one stood
One of my FB friends shared an article explaining Level 1 and Level 2 rules in horse racing and how outside of the US and Canada, Maximum Security would not have been DQ'd. US and Canada follow Level 2 rules, which state that if a horse interferes with any other horse they're DQ'd. Level 1 rules state that the horse is only DQ'd if interferes with a horse winning, I think? Something along those lines. So in other words, since Maximum Security did not interfere with Country House, he would not have been DQ'd if the US followed Level 1 rules. But I can't find it to share the link with you all.
Maybe someone else here has read the article and will share.
Like others, it really bothers me that it wasn't the owner/jockey of the horse that Max interfered with that lodged the complaint, but rather those who simply benefited from him being DQ'd but weren't affected by his interference at all.
Long range toddy was definitely involved and his jock filed
ROBBED AT DERBY https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/opinion-maximum-security-was-robbed-at-kentucky-derby-yet-another-black-eye-in-horse-racing/ar-AAAVl5d?ocid=spartanntp&fbclid=IwAR1MGLGRfQuN4AKqBd8HFTUU7Fc0KbFSJaIpt_UCnogvIhD_yKpOV6NH3QA
SHOCKED AT DERBY https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/disqualified-inside-the-historic-decision-that-shocked-the-kentucky-derby/ar-AAAUyCe?ocid=spartandhp
STEWARDS PRESS RELEASE
BARBARA BORDEN: Hello, good evening. The riders of the 18 (Long Range Toddy) and 20 (Country House) horses in the Kentucky Derby lodged objections against the 7 (Maximum Security) horse, the winner, due to interference turning for home, leaving the 1/4 pole. We had a lengthy review of the race. We interviewed affected riders. We determined that the 7 horse drifted out and impacted the progress of Number 1 (War of Will), in turn, interfering with the 18 and 21 (Bodexpress). Those horses were all affected, we thought, by the interference. Therefore, we unanimously determined to disqualify Number 7 and place him behind the 18, the 18 being the lowest?placed horse that he bothered, which is our typical procedure.
WEST OWNER OF MAXIMUM SECURITY
He said Saturday night it was his understanding the first opportunity to do that would be Thursday, May 9, the next scheduled race day at Churchill Downs. On Sunday, he voiced his displeasure with the situation. "The stewards have refused to allow anyone to see their video and talk to them, so I don't know what I am going to do," West said. "I can't believe their total lack of transparency on a matter of this magnitude." Kentucky chief state steward Barbara Borden said Sunday evening the stewards would be willing to meet with West, or other license holders involved, when they sit down Thursday with jockeys involved in the incident. She also said the meeting could happen before Thursday.
CHURCHILL DOWNS BENEFITS WITH 2.2 MILLION DOLLARS in their overlay account since the 65-1 COUNTRY HOUSE with very few bettors .. vs.. MAXIMUM SECURITY 4-1 odds with lots and lots of bettors that did not get to cash in their tickets ...
Is this the reason Churchill Downs is stonewalling the owner of
Maximum Security??
MAXIMUM SECURITY was born in Kentucky but did his training and won all 4 of his races at Gulfstream Park in Florida and was eligible for the Kentucky Derby $638,000 in winnings .... $25,000 nomination plus $25,000 at the gate .. (each owner pays this) Owned by West, Gary and Mary
COUNTRY HOUSE was born in Kentucky ran 6 times on various tracks only came in first once in a Maiden Special Weight race at Gulfstream Park, Florida... 6 3-4-2-1-2-9 won 3rd at the Arkansas Derby and was eligible for the Kentucky Derby $320,175 ....Owned by Shields, Jr., Mrs. J. V., McFadden, Jr., E. J. M. and LNJ Foxwoods
NOW... watch the review of the actual race instead of that one dramatized photo and watch COUNTRY HOUSE come roaring in on the outside and pinched the two horses running in the clear over behind and then running up on MAXIMUM SECURITY WITH NO CONTACT ......
IF COUNTRY HOUSE had maintained HIS LANE and not interferred with the other 2 horses ... MAXIMUM SECURITY would NOT have been involved ....
COUNTRY HOUSE would have been set back to 18th position for his squeeze play ...
It is strange that ALL EYES WERE ON MAXIMUM SECURITY and NOT ONE PEEP OUT OF ANYONE ON THE MOVE THAT COUNTRY HOUSE MADE !!
PLAY IT AGAIN SAM ... UNTIL YOU GET THE HORSES IDENTIFIED ... yellow hat roaring in from the outside is COUNTRY HOUSE 20 and MAXIMUM SECURITY 7 in pink leading ... scroll down ... click on mishap .. play full screen ..
Absolutely correct. The stewards did the right thing, albeit a difficult decision. To attempt to make this about politics is simply absurd. Obviously, the Moron In Chief knows just about as much about horse racing as he does about governance. Must of had money down on Macimum Security...
Absolutely correct. The stewards did the right thing, albeit a difficult decision. To attempt to make this about politics is simply absurd. Obviously, the Moron In Chief knows just about as much about horse racing as he does about governance. Must of had money down on Macimum Security...
President Trump has just as much right to his opinion as you do Mecon. Being a liberal you conveniently forget such things.
Absolutely correct. The stewards did the right thing, albeit a difficult decision. To attempt to make this about politics is simply absurd. Obviously, the Moron In Chief knows just about as much about horse racing as he does about governance. Must of had money down on Macimum Security...
Bingo. You are so right (everyone bet on Maximum Security) and the track did not have to pay that out since he was DQ'ed. No one bet on Country House hence the large odds.
Absolutely correct. The stewards did the right thing, albeit a difficult decision. To attempt to make this about politics is simply absurd. Obviously, the Moron In Chief knows just about as much about horse racing as he does about governance. Must of had money down on Macimum Security...
What the eff are you talking about? Where was President Trump mentioned anywhere in this? I have experienced "politics" at the racetrack. It happens. When you have a rich askhole whose horse can run all over the track but a nobody's horse gets taken down for "intimidating the field" for crossing paths way ahead of anyone else. That's political. It happens all the time.
Absolutely correct. The stewards did the right thing, albeit a difficult decision. To attempt to make this about politics is simply absurd. Obviously, the Moron In Chief knows just about as much about horse racing as he does about governance. Must of had money down on Macimum Security...
Absolutely correct. The stewards did the right thing, albeit a difficult decision. To attempt to make this about politics is simply absurd. Obviously, the Moron In Chief knows just about as much about horse racing as he does about governance. Must of had money down on Macimum Security...
What the eff are you talking about? Where was President Trump mentioned anywhere in this? I have experienced "politics" at the racetrack. It happens. When you have a rich askhole whose horse can run all over the track but a nobody's horse gets taken down for "intimidating the field" for crossing paths way ahead of anyone else. That's political. It happens all the time.
I was wondering where the President was mentioned, or had anything to do with this, myself....
Absolutely correct. The stewards did the right thing, albeit a difficult decision. To attempt to make this about politics is simply absurd. Obviously, the Moron In Chief knows just about as much about horse racing as he does about governance. Must of had money down on Macimum Security...
What the eff are you talking about? Where was President Trump mentioned anywhere in this? I have experienced "politics" at the racetrack. It happens. When you have a rich askhole whose horse can run all over the track but a nobody's horse gets taken down for "intimidating the field" for crossing paths way ahead of anyone else. That's political. It happens all the time.
I was wondering where the President was mentioned, or had anything to do with this, myself....
Trump put out a tweet claiming that, in his opinion, the call to DQ Maximum Security was a bad one. Of course Mecon had to jump on that because that's what libs do.......it's a full time job.
Well MOST people who haven't been around the track don't know that that type of interference by one horse on another can cause a catestrophic accident. All those horses could have fallen, horses and riders being hurt or killed. Just go on social media and you will get lots of armchair jockeys saying this was not a correct call. Those who know say otherwise.
He's not wrong. The derby usually IS roughly run. Maybe they needed to look at some of those wipe outs that happened leaving the gate. But usually the first 50 yards of a race is pretty much ignored.
Report: Baffert issues strong objection to overturned Derby result
Hall of Fame and two-time Triple Crown-winning trainer Bob Baffert used some harsh words to describe Saturday's controversial Kentucky Derby ruling. (Source: John P. Wise/WAVE3.com)
By John P. Wise|May 6, 2019 at 1:13 PM EDT - Updated May 6 at 5:15 PM
LOUISVILLE, KY (WAVE) - Hall of Fame and two-time Triple Crown-winning trainer Bob Baffert used some harsh words to describe Saturday's controversial Kentucky Derby ruling.
Maximum Security crossed the finish line first on a sloppy track at Churchill Downs, but was disqualified after a tense, 22-minute inquiry deemed he bothered multiple horses near the top of the stretch as the 19-horse pack headed for home.
Country House was later declared the winner. His jockey, Flavien Prat, as well as Jon Court, who rode Long Range Toddy, both claimed foul against Maximum Security.
The overturned result caused a firestorm on social media, as well as across the racing industry.
“It’s always a roughly run race,” Baffert told Layden. “Twenty-horse field. I have been wiped out numerous times, but that is the Derby. I can see by the book why they did it. But sometimes you’ve got to take your ass-kickings with dignity.”
Baffert also heaped praise on Maximum Security, whose owner, Gary West, said Monday he will consider an appeal, and likely won’t run his horse in the Preakness on May 18. West and his wife Mary also own Game Winner, Saturday’s fifth-place finisher trained by Baffert, who trains other horses for the West.
“One thing that got lost in all of this is Maximum Security is the real deal,” Baffert told Layden. “He’s the best three-year-old in the country.”
In addition to Game Winner, Baffert’s two other horses -- Improbable (4th), and Roadster (15th) -- missed the board Saturday.
I can understand Baffert's frustration. We've had horses on the track too and there's nothing more exciting then having your horse declared the winner...... to have that call taken back would be miserable. Baffert's in the business. He knows the ups and downs and probably knows this was a fair call but he also knows his owners don't want him to concede. It would be a sure way to lose these high-dollar owners especially if they plan to pursue a lawsuit. Not sure I understand pulling out of the Preakness. Jump back in there guys.
Absolutely correct. The stewards did the right thing, albeit a difficult decision. To attempt to make this about politics is simply absurd. Obviously, the Moron In Chief knows just about as much about horse racing as he does about governance. Must of had money down on Macimum Security...
What the eff are you talking about? Where was President Trump mentioned anywhere in this? I have experienced "politics" at the racetrack. It happens. When you have a rich askhole whose horse can run all over the track but a nobody's horse gets taken down for "intimidating the field" for crossing paths way ahead of anyone else. That's political. It happens all the time.
I was wondering where the President was mentioned, or had anything to do with this, myself....
Trump put out a tweet claiming that, in his opinion, the call to DQ Maximum Security was a bad one. Of course Mecon had to jump on that because that's what libs do.......it's a full time job.
Ahhh gotcha. I mean, I guess he's entitled to his opinion - right or wrong - like the rest of the world's couch jockeys out there, eh?
But yeah, of course Mecon had to make it political.
He's not wrong. The derby usually IS roughly run. Maybe they needed to look at some of those wipe outs that happened leaving the gate. But usually the first 50 yards of a race is pretty much ignored.
Report: Baffert issues strong objection to overturned Derby result
It is briefly mentioned in the article but needs to be stated more- Baffert is also biased; he trains another one of the West's horses (and probably more). He's the only one of the Derby trainers that have been interviewed to say that it was a wrong call.
But there’s no inquiry. I talked to the stewards about three minutes after the race and I asked - this is word for word - I said `sir, I just have a couple of questions because I’ve got an owner asking questions.’ I said `who claimed foul?’ They said the 20, who finished second. I said, `how did I get put back to 18th?’ They said `because you bothered the 17 horse.’ I said `OK, and there was just one foul claim?’ And they said yes. I said `who am I speaking with, sir?’ He said `you’re on the speakerphone and you’re speaking to all three of us.’ I said `thank you.’ "Then during the press conference it comes out that there were two foul claims. I could see one of them making a mistake, but all three? They told me there was one foul claim, the horse that finished second. There were some things that happened. Why wasn’t there an inquiry? Why did they say there was only one foul claim. Maybe they called Court, `you want to claim foul, maybe you were bothered?’ or something. I don’t know. There are too many things that were unsettling.’’
I have read so many accounts of this and who raised the objection, I've heard that both War of Will and the one with Toddy in the name raised the objection and Country House didn't...I have also heard Country House did as well. Does it really matter, as others have said?
Why the horse fouled, I don't know. But only those who don't know horse racing would disagree with the stewards call on this. Rewatching the race, it is evidently clear to me that the horse interfered. The wreck that could have been caused would have been tremendous and devastating. I see no politics involved in this call at all...only good sense.
I have read so many accounts of this and who raised the objection, I've heard that both War of Will and the one with Toddy in the name raised the objection and Country House didn't...I have also heard Country House did as well. Does it really matter, as others have said?
Why the horse fouled, I don't know. But only those who don't know horse racing would disagree with the stewards call on this. Rewatching the race, it is evidently clear to me that the horse interfered. The wreck that could have been caused would have been tremendous and devastating. I see no politics involved in this call at all...only good sense.
As per the stewards of Churchill Downs, the jockeys of 18 (Long Range Toddy), Jon Court, and 20 (Country House), Flavien Prat made the objections.
I'm not saying it was a good or bad call, but I do trust the judgment of the stewards who made it. I was at a party where a lot of people were upset by it, I wasn't thrilled by it but I can also see from a safety perspective. And the second he started moving out that jockey made a solid effort to keep him from going farther and to get back to the rail. What I heard from the upset people were two things #1: It was an accidental thing & wasn't anyones fault or intentional & the jockey tried to minimize it the best he could...and #2 that its not fair they can bounce off each other like ping pong balls on other parts of the track, but not on others. If that had happened 50 feet from the starting gate no one would have said a word. And I did see one interview with either the owner or trainer of country house, who said if it was any other race no one woul have contested it. I really don't think he cared either way what the outcome was and even said he didn't feel his horse was affected by the move. Heck given dry track none of those horses probably would have even been anywhere near the front with Maximum Security & they probably realized that & arguing it was their only way to get the highest placing
LOUISVILLE COURIER JOURNAL ANALYZES 2019 KENTUCKY DERBY WITH NEW HEADON AND SIDE VIEWS AND SHOW PLAINLY MAXIMUM SECURITY WAS NOT AT FAULT ...
THE TWO CULPRITS ARE WAR OF WILL RUNNING UP ON MS AND COUNTRY HOUSE CROWDING THE FIELD TO PUT EVERYONE IN JEOPARDY ...
MEANWHILE MAXIMUM SECURITY MOVED OUT OF THE TROUBLE ZONE AND CONTINUED TO RACE FOR HOME ..
VERY GOOD VIDEO AND ANALYSIS ... WITH CAPTIONS AND REWINDS AND EVEN TRACK ANNOUNCER RACE CALL IS SHOWN ..
I have slow internet and my wifi cuts on and off so hoping you guys get a real good constant viewing of the entire race ... the good part is right before the 4th turn to run home ..
This is what the lazy stewards should have taken the time to do rather than showing their favortisim for certain riders, owners and trainers ..
This is beginning to really stink like DC politics ... just keep dishing out distractions instead of dealing with the cause and effect that created the incident ..
Keep in mind the chief steward is a political appointee and the other two mice are not going to blow any whistles and lose their jobs by disagreeing with the powers that be ....
I'm sure each of us have been in situations that no matter what you said, evidence or witnesses or videos you produced you were ignored because the ruling authorities were not going to be challenged even after making the wrong decisions ...
This is beginning to really stink like DC politics ... just keep dishing out distractions instead of dealing with the cause and effect that created the incident ..
Keep in mind the chief steward is a political appointee and the other two mice are not going to blow any whistles and lose their jobs by disagreeing with the powers that be ....
I'm sure each of us have been in situations that no matter what you said, evidence or witnesses or videos you produced you were ignored because the ruling authorities were not going to be challenged even after making the wrong decisions ...
That video was dumb. I could just as easily argue all of their points using the same video. It was pure lawyer speak.
Whenever there is a DQ, fines and/or suspension usually follow. This is nothing new. What is new is that social media allows every couch jockey with an opinion, even if this is the first race they’ve ever seen, to become an “expert” and throw said opinion out there.
LOUISVILLE COURIER JOURNAL ANALYZES 2019 KENTUCKY DERBY WITH NEW HEADON AND SIDE VIEWS AND SHOW PLAINLY MAXIMUM SECURITY WAS NOT AT FAULT ...
THE TWO CULPRITS ARE WAR OF WILL RUNNING UP ON MS AND COUNTRY HOUSE CROWDING THE FIELD TO PUT EVERYONE IN JEOPARDY ...
MEANWHILE MAXIMUM SECURITY MOVED OUT OF THE TROUBLE ZONE AND CONTINUED TO RACE FOR HOME ..
VERY GOOD VIDEO AND ANALYSIS ... WITH CAPTIONS AND REWINDS AND EVEN TRACK ANNOUNCER RACE CALL IS SHOWN ..
I have slow internet and my wifi cuts on and off so hoping you guys get a real good constant viewing of the entire race ... the good part is right before the 4th turn to run home ..
This is what the lazy stewards should have taken the time to do rather than showing their favortisim for certain riders, owners and trainers ..
The horses have to stay in their own path or be clear of the horses behind before they change paths. If MS had stayed in this own path, nothing would have happened. He would have won and everyone would not be talking about this. The fact that he didn't is the problem. I'm not blaming anyone. **** happens. Horses do unexpected things. We should know that since we are horse people. Saying that anyone else but MS caused this is ludicris. I don't think the jockey was at fault. He did his best to straighten the horse out. But it happened and there have to be consequences or the next time it happens it might be on purpose. Riders have to do their utmost not to interfere with other horses or we'd have even more injured or dead horses and riders that we already do.
This is beginning to really stink like DC politics ... just keep dishing out distractions instead of dealing with the cause and effect that created the incident ..
Keep in mind the chief steward is a political appointee and the other two mice are not going to blow any whistles and lose their jobs by disagreeing with the powers that be ....
I'm sure each of us have been in situations that no matter what you said, evidence or witnesses or videos you produced you were ignored because the ruling authorities were not going to be challenged even after making the wrong decisions ...
That video was dumb. I could just as easily argue all of their points using the same video. It was pure lawyer speak.
Whenever there is a DQ, fines and/or suspension usually follow. This is nothing new. What is new is that social media allows every couch jockey with an opinion, even if this is the first race they’ve ever seen, to become an “expert” and throw said opinion out there.
i was surprised they waited this long to suspend him. when i was dq i was immediately suspened .
and racing secrataries and steward are god of the tracks you are subject to them. if its like it was back when i was on track
Why is it so difficult for government appointed employees to recind a decision that was made in haste without a thorough look see of all the activity that was happening in a matter of seconds.
It was shameful when the appointed chief steward made a 170 word declaration and then ran and hid and not seen again to answer questions and show their reasoning for such a blantant quick decision.
It was made 22 minutes after the race finished which means they spent maybe 11 minutes viewing only 1 or 2 videos without looking at various angles of 10-15 others.
I will go with the video that was researched and analyzed very thoroughly over the decision of 3 BLIND MICE ..
LOUISVILLE COURIER JOURNAL ANALYZES 2019 KENTUCKY DERBY WITH NEW HEADON AND SIDE VIEWS AND SHOW PLAINLY MAXIMUM SECURITY WAS NOT AT FAULT ...
THE TWO CULPRITS ARE WAR OF WILL RUNNING UP ON MS AND COUNTRY HOUSE CROWDING THE FIELD TO PUT EVERYONE IN JEOPARDY ...
MEANWHILE MAXIMUM SECURITY MOVED OUT OF THE TROUBLE ZONE AND CONTINUED TO RACE FOR HOME ..
VERY GOOD VIDEO AND ANALYSIS ... WITH CAPTIONS AND REWINDS AND EVEN TRACK ANNOUNCER RACE CALL IS SHOWN ..
I have slow internet and my wifi cuts on and off so hoping you guys get a real good constant viewing of the entire race ... the good part is right before the 4th turn to run home ..
This is what the lazy stewards should have taken the time to do rather than showing their favortisim for certain riders, owners and trainers ..
The horses have to stay in their own path or be clear of the horses behind before they change paths. If MS had stayed in this own path, nothing would have happened. He would have won and everyone would not be talking about this. The fact that he didn't is the problem. I'm not blaming anyone. **** happens. Horses do unexpected things. We should know that since we are horse people. Saying that anyone else but MS caused this is ludicris. I don't think the jockey was at fault. He did his best to straighten the horse out. But it happened and there have to be consequences or the next time it happens it might be on purpose. Riders have to do their utmost not to interfere with other horses or we'd have even more injured or dead horses and riders that we already do.
It looks like to me he moved out of his lane because of getting hit on his hind end. When I first watched the race I thought: HIs rear end looked like it slipped out from underneath him and caused him to get out of his lane, but that video shows exactly why he moved out of his lane.... it was because he was getting hit from behind. That is what I see anyway.
LOUISVILLE COURIER JOURNAL ANALYZES 2019 KENTUCKY DERBY WITH NEW HEADON AND SIDE VIEWS AND SHOW PLAINLY MAXIMUM SECURITY WAS NOT AT FAULT ...
THE TWO CULPRITS ARE WAR OF WILL RUNNING UP ON MS AND COUNTRY HOUSE CROWDING THE FIELD TO PUT EVERYONE IN JEOPARDY ...
MEANWHILE MAXIMUM SECURITY MOVED OUT OF THE TROUBLE ZONE AND CONTINUED TO RACE FOR HOME ..
VERY GOOD VIDEO AND ANALYSIS ... WITH CAPTIONS AND REWINDS AND EVEN TRACK ANNOUNCER RACE CALL IS SHOWN ..
I have slow internet and my wifi cuts on and off so hoping you guys get a real good constant viewing of the entire race ... the good part is right before the 4th turn to run home ..
This is what the lazy stewards should have taken the time to do rather than showing their favortisim for certain riders, owners and trainers ..
The horses have to stay in their own path or be clear of the horses behind before they change paths. If MS had stayed in this own path, nothing would have happened. He would have won and everyone would not be talking about this. The fact that he didn't is the problem. I'm not blaming anyone. **** happens. Horses do unexpected things. We should know that since we are horse people. Saying that anyone else but MS caused this is ludicris. I don't think the jockey was at fault. He did his best to straighten the horse out. But it happened and there have to be consequences or the next time it happens it might be on purpose. Riders have to do their utmost not to interfere with other horses or we'd have even more injured or dead horses and riders that we already do.
It looks like to me he moved out of his lane because of getting hit on his hind end. When I first watched the race I thought: HIs rear end looked like it slipped out from underneath him and caused him to get out of his lane, but that video shows exactly why he moved out of his lane.... it was because he was getting hit from behind. That is what I see anyway.
The problem started with MS. Nobody else. After MS moved over in front of WOW who then moved over and interfered with the 18 horse. Country House was never interfered with. He was the beneficiary of the DQ.
Why is it so difficult for government appointed employees to recind a decision that was made in haste without a thorough look see of all the activity that was happening in a matter of seconds.
It was shameful when the appointed chief steward made a 170 word declaration and then ran and hid and not seen again to answer questions and show their reasoning for such a blantant quick decision.
It was made 22 minutes after the race finished which means they spent maybe 11 minutes viewing only 1 or 2 videos without looking at various angles of 10-15 others.
I will go with the video that was researched and analyzed very thoroughly over the decision of 3 BLIND MICE ..
A horse CANNOT blow 3-4 lanes over in literally one stride UNLESS THEY ARE CLEAR. MS was NOT clear. Had he stayed in his position, there would have been no DQ. Had he been clear, he could have run all over that track like a drunken sailor on his way to Margaritaville for free happy hour rum.
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