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want2chase3
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2019-05-29 7:02 PM
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A complete, all around vit/min, preferred pelleted, supplement that is fed under 1lb per day? I'm trying to find a way to do this. I decided I just want to feed hay (what is available to me, isnt that great, it's ok but not super) and I'm going to feed the cube it alfalfa cubes. I'm looking for something simple to give that'll make sure they are getting what's needed. I'm not opposed to powdered but I think pelleted would be better to throw in with the cubes. Is a ration balancer the answer? My horses didnt like the TC 30  that much. 

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madredepeanut
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Posted 2019-05-29 7:45 PM
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We feed LMF Super Supplement, which is fed at 1lb/day for maintenance and 2lbs/day for highly active/competition horses or lactating mares. It’s a pelleted feed formulated for our area (PNW), meeting all of the horses’ vitamin and mineral requirements (for example we are a selenium deficient area, so it’s formulated with higher selenium). There’s also a grass hay or alfalfa hay option, to better complement what else is being fed. Are there any local companies/feed mills that offer a complete feed like that in your area? 

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want2chase3
Reg. May 2009
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madredepeanut - 2019-05-29 7:45 PM


We feed LMF Super Supplement, which is fed at 1lb/day for maintenance and 2lbs/day for highly active/competition horses or lactating mares. It’s a pelleted feed formulated for our area (PNW), meeting all of the horses’ vitamin and mineral requirements (for example we are a selenium deficient area, so it’s formulated with higher selenium). There’s also a grass hay or alfalfa hay option, to better complement what else is being fed. Are there any local companies/feed mills that offer a complete feed like that in your area? 


I have access to purina, bluebonnet, progressive and triple crown and nutrena.

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SKM
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Posted 2019-05-29 9:06 PM
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Dynamite. That’s what I’m feeding with the Hay Rite cubes. I’m only using the mineral, which is powder. But they also make a pelleted vitamin. I’ve always liked the Dynamite products. It got to me in 3 days when I ordered it online.

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WetSaddleBlankets
Reg. Nov 2010
Posted 2019-05-29 9:43 PM
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Progressive feeds pro add supplement... Has everything in it.  

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want2chase3
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2019-05-29 9:46 PM
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SKM - 2019-05-29 9:06 PM


Dynamite. That’s what I’m feeding with the Hay Rite cubes. I’m only using the mineral, which is powder. But they also make a pelleted vitamin. I’ve always liked the Dynamite products. It got to me in 3 days when I ordered it online.


I used that several SEVERAL years ago and that's funny you mentioned it, because I was just looking at it again. I fed the dynamite vit/min mix in pellets and it's only fed at 1oz per day! I also used the dynapro liquid.. just 1 squirt a day as well. I remember it being extremely cost effective and powerful stuff! Who is your dealer? I use to have an account and thought about becoming a distributor but never did. 

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want2chase3
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Posted 2019-05-29 9:47 PM
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WetSaddleBlankets - 2019-05-29 9:43 PM


Progressive feeds pro add supplement... Has everything in it.  


I went thru a few bags of the progressive and then learned Cargill produces it and I'm just not thrilled about that. 

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FLITASTIC
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Posted 2019-05-29 10:10 PM
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Couple of ideas.....

1 scoop platinum performance daily 

707 daily essentials. Everything they could ever need in 1 ounce. 

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want2chase3
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2019-05-29 10:16 PM
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FLITASTIC - 2019-05-29 10:10 PM


Couple of ideas.....


1 scoop platinum performance daily 


707 daily essentials. Everything they could ever need in 1 ounce. 


Ah yes I forgot about the Daily Essentials! I've been feeding the platinum but I'm starting to think they dont like it, they are sifting thru the powder with the cubes. I'm finding the powder at the bottom of the barrel. I wish platinum would come out with a pellet. Thank you! 

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Chandler's Mom
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2019-05-29 10:33 PM
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want2chase3 - 2019-05-29 10:16 PM


FLITASTIC - 2019-05-29 10:10 PM


Couple of ideas.....


1 scoop platinum performance daily 


707 daily essentials. Everything they could ever need in 1 ounce. 



Ah yes I forgot about the Daily Essentials! I've been feeding the platinum but I'm starting to think they dont like it, they are sifting thru the powder with the cubes. I'm finding the powder at the bottom of the barrel. I wish platinum would come out with a pellet. Thank you! 


Have you checked into the PP bars?   Tho they'll probably end up more expensive per daily feeding. . . 

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SKM
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2019-05-29 10:37 PM
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want2chase3 - 2019-05-29 8:46 PM


SKM - 2019-05-29 9:06 PM


Dynamite. That’s what I’m feeding with the Hay Rite cubes. I’m only using the mineral, which is powder. But they also make a pelleted vitamin. I’ve always liked the Dynamite products. It got to me in 3 days when I ordered it online.



I used that several SEVERAL years ago and that's funny you mentioned it, because I was just looking at it again. I fed the dynamite vit/min mix in pellets and it's only fed at 1oz per day! I also used the dynapro liquid.. just 1 squirt a day as well. I remember it being extremely cost effective and powerful stuff! Who is your dealer? I use to have an account and thought about becoming a distributor but never did. 


I don’t have a dealer. I just ordered directly from the company. They did send me the contact info for a dealer sort of near me. If you want his info, I can send it to you. But they let me ordered directly without one.

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WetSaddleBlankets
Reg. Nov 2010
Posted 2019-05-29 10:39 PM
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want2chase3 - 2019-05-29 9:47 PM


WetSaddleBlankets - 2019-05-29 9:43 PM


Progressive feeds pro add supplement... Has everything in it.  



I went thru a few bags of the progressive and then learned Cargill produces it and I'm just not thrilled about that. 


Must be your location. Sucks

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want2chase3
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2019-05-29 11:03 PM
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want2chase3 - 2019-05-29 8:46 PM


SKM - 2019-05-29 9:06 PM


Dynamite. That’s what I’m feeding with the Hay Rite cubes. I’m only using the mineral, which is powder. But they also make a pelleted vitamin. I’ve always liked the Dynamite products. It got to me in 3 days when I ordered it online.



I used that several SEVERAL years ago and that's funny you mentioned it, because I was just looking at it again. I fed the dynamite vit/min mix in pellets and it's only fed at 1oz per day! I also used the dynapro liquid.. just 1 squirt a day as well. I remember it being extremely cost effective and powerful stuff! Who is your dealer? I use to have an account and thought about becoming a distributor but never did. 



I don’t have a dealer. I just ordered directly from the company. They did send me the contact info for a dealer sort of near me. If you want his info, I can send it to you. But they let me ordered directly without one.


I found my old account # and passcode .. if you can believe that lol! I actually had it saved on my contacts on my phone. Amazing because normally I cant remember or find any passcodes for anything haha! I'm going to look into a few of these suggestions.  See which will be the best for the $$  

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want2chase3
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2019-05-29 11:06 PM
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WetSaddleBlankets - 2019-05-29 10:39 PM


want2chase3 - 2019-05-29 9:47 PM


WetSaddleBlankets - 2019-05-29 9:43 PM


Progressive feeds pro add supplement... Has everything in it.  



I went thru a few bags of the progressive and then learned Cargill produces it and I'm just not thrilled about that. 



Must be your location. Sucks


Yes and must have been within the last few years because I know they were an independent company when I first started feeding it way back when. It's a bummer because it was a great feed. Something changed in it because the last 3 bags I had the pellets were extremely crumbly and almost like a meal not a pellet 

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CHASIN CANS
Reg. Nov 2018
Posted 2019-05-30 5:22 AM
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If you want to see the improvement and continuous heathy shiny horses then start using  Moormans GroStrong loose minerals .. comes in a 25# bag and costs ~$33 ... 

I feed it to all ages in their feed.  If you have broodmares you will like how fit and active their new borns are compared to foals before.  

On a new horse I will feed a handful per day for 2 weeks and then a handful every other day as a regular routine with the rest of my horses.   

The type of vitamins and the way they chelate their minerals for better gut absorption along with 40 other vitamins and minerals keeps that bloom on them year around... 

Do a little research and you will see this is not a fad supplement but a genuine balanced vitamin mineral addition to your feeding program. 

This is a loose product

and I avoid pelleted minerals/vitamins due to it having to be wetted down, heated up, gluten added, some have nitrates as a preservative and a chance the pellet is formed in a cow feed chute ... all of the above takes away the power of the mixture vs if it were not pelleted.  



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want2chase3
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2019-05-30 9:49 AM
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I stayed up way to late reading lol! I'm wanting something that has available vit/min, all the important amino acids, the pre/probiotics included as well. So far, the only thing I'm seeing that is going to offer that is the TC 30% (unless I'm missing something

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Kay-DRacing.
Reg. Jun 2009
Posted 2019-05-30 10:03 AM
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want2chase3 - 2019-05-30 9:49 AM


I stayed up way to late reading lol! I'm wanting something that has available vit/min, all the important amino acids, the pre/probiotics included as well. So far, the only thing I'm seeing that is going to offer that is the TC 30% (unless I'm missing something


Would the Purina Enrich work for what you are looking for?

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want2chase3
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2019-05-30 10:50 AM
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want2chase3 - 2019-05-30 9:49 AM


I stayed up way to late reading lol! I'm wanting something that has available vit/min, all the important amino acids, the pre/probiotics included as well. So far, the only thing I'm seeing that is going to offer that is the TC 30% (unless I'm missing something



Would the Purina Enrich work for what you are looking for?


I'm sure it probably would. I'm about to go in and compare purina to TC and look at the feeding rates and cost. I know the TC is in a 50lb bag, I've fed it my horses werent crazy about it, but they'd eat it begrudgingly. The one horse that flat out refused is on TC lite and hes now eating that good so it's just going to be for the 2 horses that are working. 

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Delta Cowgirl
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Posted 2019-05-30 1:09 PM
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About eight months ago I switched my 16 year old mare to Nutrena Empower Balancer.  She gets one pound a day.  She has access to pasture at least 8 hours a day and free-choice hay inside. Prior to switching I had to keep her shod on all four because her hooves were totally crap -- very brittle and shelly.  She is now barefoot all around -- and my vet told me she looks better than she has ever looked (owned her 13 years).  Her coat shine is incredible.  Two months ago I switched my seven year old gelding to the Nutrena Balancer and he looks better, too. He is a big boy with a bit higher metabolism and I'm feeding him 1-1/2 pounds a day, but I believe that will go down to a pound soon. He came back from the trainer a little under the weight I prefer -- as soon as he hits the ideal weight I'll back him down to a pound a day.  It's been a win-win for me and my horses -- my feed bill was nearly cut in half and my horses look better than ever.  I've always been a believer in forage first and this balancer has allowed me to do that and maintain beautiful healthy horses. And their mane and tails are growing like wild.  

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want2chase3
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Posted 2019-05-30 1:24 PM
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Delta Cowgirl - 2019-05-30 1:09 PM


About eight months ago I switched my 16 year old mare to Nutrena Empower Balancer.  She gets one pound a day.  She has access to pasture at least 8 hours a day and free-choice hay inside. Prior to switching I had to keep her shod on all four because her hooves were totally crap -- very brittle and shelly.  She is now barefoot all around -- and my vet told me she looks better than she has ever looked (owned her 13 years).  Her coat shine is incredible.  Two months ago I switched my seven year old gelding to the Nutrena Balancer and he looks better, too. He is a big boy with a bit higher metabolism and I'm feeding him 1-1/2 pounds a day, but I believe that will go down to a pound soon. He came back from the trainer a little under the weight I prefer -- as soon as he hits the ideal weight I'll back him down to a pound a day.  It's been a win-win for me and my horses -- my feed bill was nearly cut in half and my horses look better than ever.  I've always been a believer in forage first and this balancer has allowed me to do that and maintain beautiful healthy horses. And their mane and tails are growing like wild.  


How much is the empower? Is it a 50lb bag? I've found some of these concentrated feeds are only coming in 40lb sacks. I haven't used nutrena in ages... I fed safe choice in the past and then everyone started telling me nutrena was bad and not a safe feed company as far as medicated cattle feed getting into the horse feeds. Has nutrena cleaned up their act or is it still considered not safe ? 

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Reg. Sep 2009
Posted 2019-05-30 2:58 PM
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Barn Bag , you only give 1/2 cup and its full of protein, vitamin, minerals and amino acids and its not that expensive.  I order if from valleyvet.com, free shipping.  Im using it as a prenatal vitamin on a VERY EASY keeper mare so she can get what she needs with just hay/alfalfa.  Not that expensive either, also low nsc! I would also use on my performance horses who are also easy keepers!

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Delta Cowgirl
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Posted 2019-05-30 3:39 PM
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Delta Cowgirl - 2019-05-30 1:09 PM

About eight months ago I switched my 16 year old mare to Nutrena Empower Balancer.  She gets one pound a day.  She has access to pasture at least 8 hours a day and free-choice hay inside. Prior to switching I had to keep her shod on all four because her hooves were totally crap -- very brittle and shelly.  She is now barefoot all around -- and my vet told me she looks better than she has ever looked (owned her 13 years).  Her coat shine is incredible.  Two months ago I switched my seven year old gelding to the Nutrena Balancer and he looks better, too. He is a big boy with a bit higher metabolism and I'm feeding him 1-1/2 pounds a day, but I believe that will go down to a pound soon. He came back from the trainer a little under the weight I prefer -- as soon as he hits the ideal weight I'll back him down to a pound a day.  It's been a win-win for me and my horses -- my feed bill was nearly cut in half and my horses look better than ever.  I've always been a believer in forage first and this balancer has allowed me to do that and maintain beautiful healthy horses. And their mane and tails are growing like wild.  

How much is the empower? Is it a 50lb bag? I've found some of these concentrated feeds are only coming in 40lb sacks. I haven't used nutrena in ages... I fed safe choice in the past and then everyone started telling me nutrena was bad and not a safe feed company as far as medicated cattle feed getting into the horse feeds. Has nutrena cleaned up their act or is it still considered not safe ? 

40 lb. bag; ~ $26.  I have fed Nutrena Safe Choice for years.  It is a good feed IMO.   Several companies have endured issues with the cow feed contamination; however, they have all put new protocols in place according to reports I've read.  



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want2chase3
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About eight months ago I switched my 16 year old mare to Nutrena Empower Balancer.  She gets one pound a day.  She has access to pasture at least 8 hours a day and free-choice hay inside. Prior to switching I had to keep her shod on all four because her hooves were totally crap -- very brittle and shelly.  She is now barefoot all around -- and my vet told me she looks better than she has ever looked (owned her 13 years).  Her coat shine is incredible.  Two months ago I switched my seven year old gelding to the Nutrena Balancer and he looks better, too. He is a big boy with a bit higher metabolism and I'm feeding him 1-1/2 pounds a day, but I believe that will go down to a pound soon. He came back from the trainer a little under the weight I prefer -- as soon as he hits the ideal weight I'll back him down to a pound a day.  It's been a win-win for me and my horses -- my feed bill was nearly cut in half and my horses look better than ever.  I've always been a believer in forage first and this balancer has allowed me to do that and maintain beautiful healthy horses. And their mane and tails are growing like wild.  



How much is the empower? Is it a 50lb bag? I've found some of these concentrated feeds are only coming in 40lb sacks. I haven't used nutrena in ages... I fed safe choice in the past and then everyone started telling me nutrena was bad and not a safe feed company as far as medicated cattle feed getting into the horse feeds. Has nutrena cleaned up their act or is it still considered not safe ? 



40 lb. bag; ~ $26.  I have fed Nutrena Safe Choice for years.  It is a good feed IMO.   Several companies have endured issues with the cow feed contamination; however, they have all put new protocols in place according to reports I've read.  


Yes you're right about other companies having issues. Do you feed the empower topline or the boost? 

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SKM
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About eight months ago I switched my 16 year old mare to Nutrena Empower Balancer.  She gets one pound a day.  She has access to pasture at least 8 hours a day and free-choice hay inside. Prior to switching I had to keep her shod on all four because her hooves were totally crap -- very brittle and shelly.  She is now barefoot all around -- and my vet told me she looks better than she has ever looked (owned her 13 years).  Her coat shine is incredible.  Two months ago I switched my seven year old gelding to the Nutrena Balancer and he looks better, too. He is a big boy with a bit higher metabolism and I'm feeding him 1-1/2 pounds a day, but I believe that will go down to a pound soon. He came back from the trainer a little under the weight I prefer -- as soon as he hits the ideal weight I'll back him down to a pound a day.  It's been a win-win for me and my horses -- my feed bill was nearly cut in half and my horses look better than ever.  I've always been a believer in forage first and this balancer has allowed me to do that and maintain beautiful healthy horses. And their mane and tails are growing like wild.  



How much is the empower? Is it a 50lb bag? I've found some of these concentrated feeds are only coming in 40lb sacks. I haven't used nutrena in ages... I fed safe choice in the past and then everyone started telling me nutrena was bad and not a safe feed company as far as medicated cattle feed getting into the horse feeds. Has nutrena cleaned up their act or is it still considered not safe ? 



40 lb. bag; ~ $26.  I have fed Nutrena Safe Choice for years.  It is a good feed IMO.   Several companies have endured issues with the cow feed contamination; however, they have all put new protocols in place according to reports I've read.  


I stopped in my local Cargill plant that makes Nutrena feeds. I too was given the “safeguard” speech. You went you asking questions about those “safeguard practices”... not one single person can answer about what those practices are. 

The local Cargill plant uses ionophores. “But it’s perfectly safe because it’s only used in bulk feed and not bagged feed”. I’m not buying any of the crap that they are selling as far as their marketing goes.

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About eight months ago I switched my 16 year old mare to Nutrena Empower Balancer.  She gets one pound a day.  She has access to pasture at least 8 hours a day and free-choice hay inside. Prior to switching I had to keep her shod on all four because her hooves were totally crap -- very brittle and shelly.  She is now barefoot all around -- and my vet told me she looks better than she has ever looked (owned her 13 years).  Her coat shine is incredible.  Two months ago I switched my seven year old gelding to the Nutrena Balancer and he looks better, too. He is a big boy with a bit higher metabolism and I'm feeding him 1-1/2 pounds a day, but I believe that will go down to a pound soon. He came back from the trainer a little under the weight I prefer -- as soon as he hits the ideal weight I'll back him down to a pound a day.  It's been a win-win for me and my horses -- my feed bill was nearly cut in half and my horses look better than ever.  I've always been a believer in forage first and this balancer has allowed me to do that and maintain beautiful healthy horses. And their mane and tails are growing like wild.  



How much is the empower? Is it a 50lb bag? I've found some of these concentrated feeds are only coming in 40lb sacks. I haven't used nutrena in ages... I fed safe choice in the past and then everyone started telling me nutrena was bad and not a safe feed company as far as medicated cattle feed getting into the horse feeds. Has nutrena cleaned up their act or is it still considered not safe ? 



40 lb. bag; ~ $26.  I have fed Nutrena Safe Choice for years.  It is a good feed IMO.   Several companies have endured issues with the cow feed contamination; however, they have all put new protocols in place according to reports I've read.  



I stopped in my local Cargill plant that makes Nutrena feeds. I too was given the “safeguard” speech. You went you asking questions about those “safeguard practices”... not one single person can answer about what those practices are. 


The local Cargill plant uses ionophores. “But it’s perfectly safe because it’s only used in bulk feed and not bagged feed”. I’m not buying any of the crap that they are selling as far as their marketing goes.


I would never ever feed any type of feed that comes from any Cargill plant, we have one here in Seguin up the road from us, never..A colt that I traded a friend from, she got the colt and all she fed was SafeChoice will guess what he died from the feed being contamination, it was a hug mess for her and this beautiful animal suffer untill she had him put down, its been about 13 years since all this happen and I think Cargill did pay her for the colt and Vet work, so after all this there is no way in he** I would feed anything from there, just a big huge risk, theres better feed out there to be feeding.

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About eight months ago I switched my 16 year old mare to Nutrena Empower Balancer.  She gets one pound a day.  She has access to pasture at least 8 hours a day and free-choice hay inside. Prior to switching I had to keep her shod on all four because her hooves were totally crap -- very brittle and shelly.  She is now barefoot all around -- and my vet told me she looks better than she has ever looked (owned her 13 years).  Her coat shine is incredible.  Two months ago I switched my seven year old gelding to the Nutrena Balancer and he looks better, too. He is a big boy with a bit higher metabolism and I'm feeding him 1-1/2 pounds a day, but I believe that will go down to a pound soon. He came back from the trainer a little under the weight I prefer -- as soon as he hits the ideal weight I'll back him down to a pound a day.  It's been a win-win for me and my horses -- my feed bill was nearly cut in half and my horses look better than ever.  I've always been a believer in forage first and this balancer has allowed me to do that and maintain beautiful healthy horses. And their mane and tails are growing like wild.  



How much is the empower? Is it a 50lb bag? I've found some of these concentrated feeds are only coming in 40lb sacks. I haven't used nutrena in ages... I fed safe choice in the past and then everyone started telling me nutrena was bad and not a safe feed company as far as medicated cattle feed getting into the horse feeds. Has nutrena cleaned up their act or is it still considered not safe ? 



40 lb. bag; ~ $26.  I have fed Nutrena Safe Choice for years.  It is a good feed IMO.   Several companies have endured issues with the cow feed contamination; however, they have all put new protocols in place according to reports I've read.  



I stopped in my local Cargill plant that makes Nutrena feeds. I too was given the “safeguard” speech. You went you asking questions about those “safeguard practices”... not one single person can answer about what those practices are. 


The local Cargill plant uses ionophores. “But it’s perfectly safe because it’s only used in bulk feed and not bagged feed”. I’m not buying any of the crap that they are selling as far as their marketing goes.



I would never ever feed any type of feed that comes from any Cargill plant, we have one here in Seguin up the road from us, never..A colt that I traded a friend from, she got the colt and all she fed was SafeChoice will guess what he died from the feed being contamination, it was a hug mess for her and this beautiful animal suffer untill she had him put down, its been about 13 years since all this happen and I think Cargill did pay her for the colt and Vet work, so after all this there is no way in he** I would feed anything from there, just a big huge risk, theres better feed out there to be feeding.


Oh nope nope and nope.. no way. That's why I quit progressive ... found out cargill made it now.. I dumped the rest. Paranoid? Maybe but I'd rather be paranoid and safe than be sorry and suffering. After I became educated on all this ionophore stuff I always thought feeding any feed that also produces medicated feeds on the same lines as horse feeds was like playing Russian roulette with your horses lives. Regardless of their safety protocols in place. Just not worth it. If I decide to go with a bagged supplement from a feed company,  itll be Triple Crown or Bluebonnet or manna pro. So far TC is at the top of my list for what I'm wanting to accomplish. It's kinda $$ but if I'm only feeding 1 to 2 lbs I think I can swing it for 2 horses. 

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About eight months ago I switched my 16 year old mare to Nutrena Empower Balancer.  She gets one pound a day.  She has access to pasture at least 8 hours a day and free-choice hay inside. Prior to switching I had to keep her shod on all four because her hooves were totally crap -- very brittle and shelly.  She is now barefoot all around -- and my vet told me she looks better than she has ever looked (owned her 13 years).  Her coat shine is incredible.  Two months ago I switched my seven year old gelding to the Nutrena Balancer and he looks better, too. He is a big boy with a bit higher metabolism and I'm feeding him 1-1/2 pounds a day, but I believe that will go down to a pound soon. He came back from the trainer a little under the weight I prefer -- as soon as he hits the ideal weight I'll back him down to a pound a day.  It's been a win-win for me and my horses -- my feed bill was nearly cut in half and my horses look better than ever.  I've always been a believer in forage first and this balancer has allowed me to do that and maintain beautiful healthy horses. And their mane and tails are growing like wild.  



How much is the empower? Is it a 50lb bag? I've found some of these concentrated feeds are only coming in 40lb sacks. I haven't used nutrena in ages... I fed safe choice in the past and then everyone started telling me nutrena was bad and not a safe feed company as far as medicated cattle feed getting into the horse feeds. Has nutrena cleaned up their act or is it still considered not safe ? 



40 lb. bag; ~ $26.  I have fed Nutrena Safe Choice for years.  It is a good feed IMO.   Several companies have endured issues with the cow feed contamination; however, they have all put new protocols in place according to reports I've read.  



Yes you're right about other companies having issues. Do you feed the empower topline or the boost


 


The Empower topline.

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So I've exhausted myself but I think I've found the one lol! And I can get it delivered for free along with my dog food from chewy! Buckeye Gro n Win seems to fit everything I've been looking for and it has wonderful reviews and isnt too spendy! My horses are doing really well on the cube it alfalfa cubes still. So just going to add in a lb of the buckeye 

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want2chase3 - 2019-06-17 8:40 PM


So I've exhausted myself but I think I've found the one lol! And I can get it delivered for free along with my dog food from chewy! Buckeye Gro n Win seems to fit everything I've been looking for and it has wonderful reviews and isnt too spendy! My horses are doing really well on the cube it alfalfa cubes still. So just going to add in a lb of the buckeye 


LOVE BUCKEYE,LOVE GRO N WIN

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About eight months ago I switched my 16 year old mare to Nutrena Empower Balancer.  She gets one pound a day.  She has access to pasture at least 8 hours a day and free-choice hay inside. Prior to switching I had to keep her shod on all four because her hooves were totally crap -- very brittle and shelly.  She is now barefoot all around -- and my vet told me she looks better than she has ever looked (owned her 13 years).  Her coat shine is incredible.  Two months ago I switched my seven year old gelding to the Nutrena Balancer and he looks better, too. He is a big boy with a bit higher metabolism and I'm feeding him 1-1/2 pounds a day, but I believe that will go down to a pound soon. He came back from the trainer a little under the weight I prefer -- as soon as he hits the ideal weight I'll back him down to a pound a day.  It's been a win-win for me and my horses -- my feed bill was nearly cut in half and my horses look better than ever.  I've always been a believer in forage first and this balancer has allowed me to do that and maintain beautiful healthy horses. And their mane and tails are growing like wild.  



How much is the empower? Is it a 50lb bag? I've found some of these concentrated feeds are only coming in 40lb sacks. I haven't used nutrena in ages... I fed safe choice in the past and then everyone started telling me nutrena was bad and not a safe feed company as far as medicated cattle feed getting into the horse feeds. Has nutrena cleaned up their act or is it still considered not safe ? 



40 lb. bag; ~ $26.  I have fed Nutrena Safe Choice for years.  It is a good feed IMO.   Several companies have endured issues with the cow feed contamination; however, they have all put new protocols in place according to reports I've read.  


Don’t be fooled by the creative wording from feed companies about contamination protocols. They are good at giving you crap that sounds reassuring and skirting the real answer. “ protocols” “ testing of batches “ “ quality control” etc are all beating around the bush. Only safe feed is a mill that at NO TIME cattle feeds are produced in the entire facility and facilities of any ingredients from facilities that do. 

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I'm pretty sure Buckeye is a SAFE or IONOPHORE FREE feed mill ? Hopefully ... fingers crossed... I dont want to have to start over lol! 

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want2chase3 - 2019-06-17 10:29 PM


I'm pretty sure Buckeye is a SAFE or IONOPHORE FREE feed mill ? Hopefully ... fingers crossed... I dont want to have to start over lol! 


YES,THEY ARE SAFE!:)

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I'm pretty sure Buckeye is a SAFE or IONOPHORE FREE feed mill ? Hopefully ... fingers crossed... I dont want to have to start over lol! 



YES,THEY ARE SAFE!:)


I received my bags today and yep, it says right on the bag med free. Great! And the ingredients are printed right on the bag, no feed tags! This feed smells really nice too.

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Yes, I think a ration balancer is your best bet!  I love Progressive Nutrition's pelleted feeds.  I've fed it for years now. No one believes my TB stud is 20 - he gets a couple pounds a day and grass hay. That's all.   It's expensive, but the difference it makes in horses is amazing!  Woody's and Buckeye make good ones too.  

I'm not sure you can stay under one pound, but close enough.

As a side note, I haven't lived where Buckeye is available for ages.  So thought I ought to google to see if they still exist.  Chewy.com sells their products.  Did NOT see that coming!  

 

 

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Yes, I think a ration balancer is your best bet!  I love Progressive Nutrition's pelleted feeds.  I've fed it for years now. No one believes my TB stud is 20 - he gets a couple pounds a day and grass hay. That's all.   It's expensive, but the difference it makes in horses is amazing!  Woody's and Buckeye make good ones too.  


I'm not sure you can stay under one pound, but close enough.


As a side note, I haven't lived where Buckeye is available for ages.  So thought I ought to google to see if they still exist.  Chewy.com sells their products.  Did NOT see that coming!  


 


 


The feed rep at Buckeye told me 3lbs max if needed. But I'll be surprised if they need more than that with the alfalfa cubes and hay plus pasture in the evenings. If they get to the point where they need more feed I'll up the cubes or hay first. She suggested I can also add in their ultimate finish for extra calories, chewy also carrys that. 

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Yes, I always keep a bag or 2 of RG in my feedroom. I actually think it will compliment the Gro n Win nicely for a little added fat. I'm happy with the Gro n Win so far they are getting roughly 2lbs a day right now and I've started throwing in a few handfuls of RG along with it. 

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want2chase3 - 2019-05-29 5:02 PM


A complete, all around vit/min, preferred pelleted, supplement that is fed under 1lb per day? I'm trying to find a way to do this. I decided I just want to feed hay (what is available to me, isnt that great, it's ok but not super) and I'm going to feed the cube it alfalfa cubes. I'm looking for something simple to give that'll make sure they are getting what's needed. I'm not opposed to powdered but I think pelleted would be better to throw in with the cubes. Is a ration balancer the answer? My horses didnt like the TC 30  that much. 


If your horses just needs vitamins I love Equerry's Choice! If you need some more than just vitamins, then I love renew gold. I order equerry's from a dealer near me and get renew gold from tractor supply. If you can't get that you could order some smartpak vitamins to add to whatever grain/feed you prefer. I am not a fan of processed/commercial feed thats why I like renew gold (non-gmo). I feed my older horse Eqerry's combined rx 4 way so he gets hoof and joint combo all in one. But not sure what you have to pick from everywhere its different. I can't get blue bonnet here but I think they have soy meal in it and I try not to feed soy because my dog is allergic and eats what the horses drop!

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