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| How did the pink buckle horses compare with an open field of horses at the BFA after the 1st go round? |
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| Not very good in the first go of the Juvie, futurity, derby and slot race. At least as far as the top 10 went. |
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| The BFA $uper$takes often highlights next season's super stars. The offspring of three up-and-coming stallions made their mark with some of the industry's finest leading sires. 1. The Midnite Express, by FLY the RED EYE** 2. VF Eddies Alive, by Eddie Stinson - Stallion 3. Jet Fuel Only, by Blazin Jetolena 4. Forbez, by Dash Ta Fame 5. I Make Men Blush, by The Red Dasher** 8. Flingin Roses, by A Streak Of Fling 9. BR Big Red Dog, by Blazin Jetolena 10. JessWatchMeStreak, by French Streakin Jess *** 11. CFour Paddy Okelly, by Darkelly *** First foal to the arena ** Second performance age foal crop All other stallions listed here are among Equi-Stat's Top 15 All-Time Leading Sires. The top 10 horses pedigrees in the first Go of the BFA Futurity. Stallions represented: Epic Leader JL Dash Ta Heaven Frenchmans Guy PC Frenchmans Hayday Fire On Bug Frenchmans Fabulous MP Jet to the Sun Famous Gold Coin Slick By Design Chasin Firewater |
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        Location: Broxton, Ga | Hmmmm |
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| For the futurity finals: 5 -Slick By Design 4 - JL Dash Ta Heaven 4 - Furyofthewind 3 - Epic Leader 3 - Dash Ta Fame 3 - Tres Seis 2 - Blazin Jetolena 2 - Chasin Firewater 2 - Shawnee Bug Leo I have no idea about who won what as far as money goes. |
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     Location: Muskogee, OK | So... 16 of the 28 futurity finalists are by PB studs. Seems like a pretty good showing to me? |
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| There are 50 going back to the finals. I don't know the pedigrees on all of them. I assume that the remaining 22 horses are by single represented sires, but I don't know if any of them are pink buckle. Even if they are not PB 16/50 is still 32%. Are the 50 finilists posted anywhere?
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     Location: Muskogee, OK | KindaClassey - 2019-11-21 9:50 PM
There are 50 going back to the finals. I don't know the pedigrees on all of them. I assume that the remaining 22 horses are by single represented sires, but I don't know if any of them are pink buckle. Even if they are not PB 16/50 is still 32%.
Are the 50 finilists posted anywhere?
I was wondering how many total they took back. 32% is still significant! |
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| https://www.facebook.com/121249437936783/posts/2695172373877797?d=n&sfns=mo Results |
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| I didn’t look them all up. But as far as I can tell, about 7 of the 30 checks drawn we’re by PB enrolled stallions. Furyofthewind had his two place high in that second go. I guess “success” is sort of how you want to look at it. While you can say 32% is great.... 24% of the checks draw were PB horses. There are 45 PB stallions. 5 of those 45 produced check earners. |
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         Location: Where I am happiest | SKM - 2019-11-21 5:25 PM Not very good in the first go of the Juvie, futurity, derby and slot race. At least as far as the top 10 went. 3 of the top 10 in the Derby are pink buckle. At least 3 of the top 15 in the futurity 1st go are pink buckle. At least 2 were pink buckle in the top 12 of the slot race So I would hardly say "Not very good". The results are on bfaworld.
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      Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | I haven't tracked finalists, just 1D money winners. In the futurity so far, the stallions with money winners: JL Dash ta Heaven | 3 | Dash Ta Fame | 2 | Slick By Design | 2 | Blazin Jetolena | 2 | Furyofthewind | 2 | PC Frenchmans Hayday | 1 | Frenchmans Fabulous | 1 | CCs Last Warrior | 1 | Chasin Firewater | 1 | Frenchmans Guy | 1 | Lions Share of Fame | 1 | Designer Red | 1 | Justaheartofawarrior | 1 | Epic Leader | 1 | Louisiana Senator | 1 | Famous Beduino | 1 | Perks Alive | 1 | Famous Gold Coin | 1 | Fire On Bug | 1 | (blank) | 1 |
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     Location: Muskogee, OK | You're absolutely right, it does depend on how you look at it. I think PB horses had a good showing- regardless of if it was only "5 of the 45" studs offspring. Still PB horses. Many of the PB studs don't have many offspring of age to run yet, which does effect this statistic. It would be interesting to know how many total different studs offspring are entered (PB and non PB), I think the number would be high. Then, when you look at the showing of the PB horses compared to that, I think it is definitely significant. But I'm just over here like a spoiled Pink Buckle kid looking at the BFA results thinking "that's all they are winning?"
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| barrelracingchick16 - 2019-11-22 6:42 AM
You're absolutely right, it does depend on how you look at it. I think PB horses had a good showing- regardless of if it was only "5 of the 45" studs offspring. Still PB horses. Many of the PB studs don't have many offspring of age to run yet, which does effect this statistic.
It would be interesting to know how many total different studs offspring are entered (PB and non PB), I think the number would be high. Then, when you look at the showing of the PB horses compared to that, I think it is definitely significant.
But I'm just over here like a spoiled Pink Buckle kid looking at the BFA results thinking "that's all they are winning?"
I have nothing against PB. There are a lot of really nice stallions enrolled. I’m annoyed at how many people seem to think anything that isn’t PB is a worthless piece of junk. While that may be a bit of an exaggeration, it isn’t far off the mark with a lot of the comments I’ve seen around here and on FB. My point is...there are still a lot of really nice horses that aren’t PB. |
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         Location: Where I am happiest | 22 of the futurity finalists coming back in the finals are Pink Buckle. 6 of the top 10 coming back in the Derby are pink buckle. I didn't count the youth or amature finalists. Again, saying "not very good" is a far less then genuine response. Looks like a great showing to me. |
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         Location: Where I am happiest | SKM - 2019-11-22 8:34 AM barrelracingchick16 - 2019-11-22 6:42 AM You're absolutely right, it does depend on how you look at it. I think PB horses had a good showing- regardless of if it was only "5 of the 45" studs offspring. Still PB horses. Many of the PB studs don't have many offspring of age to run yet, which does effect this statistic. It would be interesting to know how many total different studs offspring are entered (PB and non PB), I think the number would be high. Then, when you look at the showing of the PB horses compared to that, I think it is definitely significant. But I'm just over here like a spoiled Pink Buckle kid looking at the BFA results thinking "that's all they are winning?" I have nothing against PB. There are a lot of really nice stallions enrolled. I’m annoyed at how many people seem to think anything that isn’t PB is a worthless piece of junk. While that may be a bit of an exaggeration, it isn’t far off the mark with a lot of the comments I’ve seen around here and on FB. My point is...there are still a lot of really nice horses that aren’t PB. I don't think anybody thinks if they aren't P.B. that they are a POS. The PB has brought alot of money to the game no doubt. Alot of people are indeed factoring in the PB on prospects and breeding decisions to AT LEAST have the option/opportunity to run for that kind of money. If they aren't PB then you automatically don't even have that opportunity. There is ALOT of barrel racing outside of pink buckle but it sure is nice to AT least have the opportunity to run for that kind of money. Without it you don't even have that chance. The PB has spurred new incentives like the Blue Collar and the Royal Crown and the sister of PB the Ruby Buckle. I think the growth of our sport and bigger purses are a good thing!
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     Location: Muskogee, OK | Not saying that this is what is happening here, but it does kind of segway to it... I also find it laughable that people are still questioning the talent/ability of PB horses because it is a "limited class". I've competed at all of the Pink Buckle events thus far, and they have been just as tough (or tougher) than any of the other races I go to, and I live in the heart of Oklahoma barrel racing territory. The quality of horses is spectacular. They were running a standard pattern at the E both years, and both years there were a large number of sub-17 second runs. Super happy (and not surprised) to see that the PB horses continue to prove themselves by excelling at all of the races they compete at, even with an "Open Field". Almost 50% of the futurity finalists (22/50) is pretty dang good to me! |
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| ThreeCorners - 2019-11-23 6:25 AM
SKM - 2019-11-22 8:34 AM
barrelracingchick16 - 2019-11-22 6:42 AM
You're absolutely right, it does depend on how you look at it. I think PB horses had a good showing- regardless of if it was only "5 of the 45" studs offspring. Still PB horses. Many of the PB studs don't have many offspring of age to run yet, which does effect this statistic.
It would be interesting to know how many total different studs offspring are entered (PB and non PB), I think the number would be high. Then, when you look at the showing of the PB horses compared to that, I think it is definitely significant.
But I'm just over here like a spoiled Pink Buckle kid looking at the BFA results thinking "that's all they are winning?"
I have nothing against PB. There are a lot of really nice stallions enrolled. I’m annoyed at how many people seem to think anything that isn’t PB is a worthless piece of junk. While that may be a bit of an exaggeration, it isn’t far off the mark with a lot of the comments I’ve seen around here and on FB. My point is...there are still a lot of really nice horses that aren’t PB.
I don't think anybody thinks if they aren't P.B. that they are a POS. The PB has brought alot of money to the game no doubt. Alot of people are indeed factoring in the PB on prospects and breeding decisions to AT LEAST have the option/opportunity to run for that kind of money. If they aren't PB then you automatically don't even have that opportunity. There is ALOT of barrel racing outside of pink buckle but it sure is nice to AT least have the opportunity to run for that kind of money. Without it you don't even have that chance.
The PB has spurred new incentives like the Blue Collar and the Royal Crown and the sister of PB the Ruby Buckle. I think the growth of our sport and bigger purses are a good thing!
I have seen a few looking for prospects posts where they refused to look at anything but pink buckle horses. It is what it is. If that one race is thier goal that's what they need. I don't think they think the other horses are junk but the absoultly will not consider them. I can see how it's frustrating as a breeder to be overlooked but theres still quite a few people that do not care about PB. I'd never pay a horse in myself so I could care less. I shouldn't say never, if they had an event in my country then I'd consider it but I can't destination barrel race (tad jealous TBH lol) so its a worthless incentive to me. |
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| I find it very interesting that people are saying I will not breed to anything but Pink Bckle stallions she they haven't bothered to pay for Future Fortunes on the ones they have--yearlings and two year olds. |
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