Is any body worried about this virus hitting the states hard? Do they even know how this got started? This is on Face the Nation talking with Cui Tianiki the Chinese Ambassador.. Really interesting to listen to.
Posted 2020-02-09 11:09 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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I'm keeping a close eye but not trying to get too worked up over it. This is one of those moments I'm extra glad I homeschool my kids, especially Jacob with his immune system. There are so many sick kids going to schools around here a few of them had to close to stop the sickness from spreading any further. Not related to coronavirus I dont believe, but just a nasty strain of a flu like virus.
You mean cats?? Lol! Sorry ... but gross either way. I guess I just need to sit down and watch the latest news and see what's going on. How are so many sick then? Last I heard it's more deaths than SARS now.
Follow the CDC website and you will see correct and most updated information regarding the coronavirus as well as any other disease or virus. There is only one case of human to human transmission. All the deaths in China are due to them eating bats and other animals that are not free from diseases and not preparing them properly.
I thought this was a airborn virus? I didnt think it came from eating something. I'll have to go read on it a bit more, just curious..
You mean cats?? Lol! Sorry ... but gross either way. I guess I just need to sit down and watch the latest news and see what's going on. How are so many sick then? Last I heard it's more deaths than SARS now.
Follow the CDC website and you will see correct and most updated information regarding the coronavirus as well as any other disease or virus. There is only one case of human to human transmission. All the deaths in China are due to them eating bats and other animals that are not free from diseases and not preparing them properly.
It litterly says on the CDC webpage "sustained person-to-person spread in the community is occurring in China. Person-to-person spread has been reported outside China, including in the United States and other countries"
Posted 2020-02-10 8:02 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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CDC has to push some disease or the other every couple of years to keep their funding up. The govt. just released $10BILLION to fight the coronavirus. Yes, 800 have died world wide, but 60,000 died in the US alone from the flu last year.
Posted 2020-02-10 8:59 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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The flu is a far worst threat then the coronavirus for us here in the United States. Just was wondering how people were reacting to this new virus to us here in the states, but the way I have read its been around for a long time in other older countrys. The flu has been shutting down schools and business's. Just glad we have places like the CDC and others to keep us up updated on what is out there. I noticed the other day that face maskes were flying off the shelves in stores and running out of them so that got me to thinking more about the coronavirus.
Posted 2020-02-10 11:12 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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We leave for a cruise on Saturday. My friend just sent a text asking if the rest of the group was worried.
It's on my mind but I'm not too worried. The one gal going with us almost died from Flu A a few years ago so I'm more concerened for her. I've got lysol spray and clorox wipes packed to wipe down the seats and trays on the flights.
It's not great but I'm not going to cancel my trip over it.
Posted 2020-02-10 11:28 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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JcNhEmI - 2020-02-10 9:12 AM
We leave for a cruise on Saturday. My friend just sent a text asking if the rest of the group was worried.
It's on my mind but I'm not too worried. The one gal going with us almost died from Flu A a few years ago so I'm more concerened for her. I've got lysol spray and clorox wipes packed to wipe down the seats and trays on the flights.
It's not great but I'm not going to cancel my trip over it.
Wipe all you want but the air is recirculated throughout the aircraft LOL . As soon as you wipe, someone could cough 20 rows behind you and you would have to wipe again. This brings up the Ehv1 virus from couple years ago and everyone was spraying down their stalls at barel races to prevent their horses from getting it. My vet just laughed and said a horse 5 stalls down could cough and it won't do any good. Either go or don't go was her advice to me.
We leave for a cruise on Saturday. My friend just sent a text asking if the rest of the group was worried.
It's on my mind but I'm not too worried. The one gal going with us almost died from Flu A a few years ago so I'm more concerened for her. I've got lysol spray and clorox wipes packed to wipe down the seats and trays on the flights.
It's not great but I'm not going to cancel my trip over it.
Man I sure would not want to get stuck on one of those cruise ships if somebody does come up sick, then the whole ship will be put under quarantine for 2 weeks.
We leave for a cruise on Saturday. My friend just sent a text asking if the rest of the group was worried.
It's on my mind but I'm not too worried. The one gal going with us almost died from Flu A a few years ago so I'm more concerened for her. I've got lysol spray and clorox wipes packed to wipe down the seats and trays on the flights.
It's not great but I'm not going to cancel my trip over it.
Man I sure would not want to get stuck on one of those cruise ships if somebody does come up sick, then the whole ship will be put under quarantine for 2 weeks.
C and LB are going to Hawaii on their honeymoon, and I'm worried to death about them.
Posted 2020-02-11 9:11 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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crossspur - 2020-02-11 7:56 AM
luluwhit - 2020-02-11 7:35 AM
does anyone find it strange that the rioting stopped in china as news of this virus was announced?
Not wanting to start rumors but LOL I have heard a couple of places that it is believed China implanted the virus to cut their population down
That was my first thought when I saw they arrested that Doctor because he was trying to warn citizens about it. At the rate it's going though even the number of current deaths I don't think it would make enough of a dent in their population to consider it being that purpose, unless it keeps killing people for a long time from now. I lived with a girl from there in college and hearing about how they live there, it just amazes me how they do it. We each had a bedroom around 12x15 in size maybe and she was freaked out by the space. Said thats how big her whole apartment was and 14 of them lived there. She said that's normal over there which blows my mind. I always knew they packed them in, but not to that extent. So overpopulated its crazy. So it wouldn't surprise me if the government did try to do something since limiting the number of children they could have didn't seem to work.
Posted 2020-02-11 9:25 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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JLazyT_perf_horses - 2020-02-11 9:11 AM
crossspur - 2020-02-11 7:56 AM
luluwhit - 2020-02-11 7:35 AM
does anyone find it strange that the rioting stopped in china as news of this virus was announced?
Not wanting to start rumors but LOL I have heard a couple of places that it is believed China implanted the virus to cut their population down
That was my first thought when I saw they arrested that Doctor because he was trying to warn citizens about it. At the rate it's going though even the number of current deaths I don't think it would make enough of a dent in their population to consider it being that purpose, unless it keeps killing people for a long time from now. I lived with a girl from there in college and hearing about how they live there, it just amazes me how they do it. We each had a bedroom around 12x15 in size maybe and she was freaked out by the space. Said thats how big her whole apartment was and 14 of them lived there. She said that's normal over there which blows my mind. I always knew they packed them in, but not to that extent. So overpopulated its crazy. So it wouldn't surprise me if the government did try to do something since limiting the number of children they could have didn't seem to work.
Probably explains their lack of personal space boundaries. I swear I had a few encounters where they stand so close to me in line somewhere, like I could feel them breathing. I like my space and need lots of it. That's their "normal" I've seen the subway videos
Posted 2020-02-11 10:26 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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want2chase3 - 2020-02-11 9:25 AM
JLazyT_perf_horses - 2020-02-11 9:11 AM
crossspur - 2020-02-11 7:56 AM
luluwhit - 2020-02-11 7:35 AM
does anyone find it strange that the rioting stopped in china as news of this virus was announced?
Not wanting to start rumors but LOL I have heard a couple of places that it is believed China implanted the virus to cut their population down
That was my first thought when I saw they arrested that Doctor because he was trying to warn citizens about it. At the rate it's going though even the number of current deaths I don't think it would make enough of a dent in their population to consider it being that purpose, unless it keeps killing people for a long time from now. I lived with a girl from there in college and hearing about how they live there, it just amazes me how they do it. We each had a bedroom around 12x15 in size maybe and she was freaked out by the space. Said thats how big her whole apartment was and 14 of them lived there. She said that's normal over there which blows my mind. I always knew they packed them in, but not to that extent. So overpopulated its crazy. So it wouldn't surprise me if the government did try to do something since limiting the number of children they could have didn't seem to work.
Probably explains their lack of personal space boundaries. I swear I had a few encounters where they stand so close to me in line somewhere, like I could feel them breathing. I like my space and need lots of it. That's their "normal" I've seen the subway videos
We have a couple of Chinese Restaurants here in Seguin and all the people that work in them are all Chinese and own these Restaurants but I have never seen them anywhere in town just at the restaurant, maybe I have ran into one owner about two times at wal mart. But never any where else, my granddaughter had a class mate from Hong Kong but the family moved to New York last year, the little girl was so behind in school since her family moves so much, she was a 11 year old in with 8 year olds in school. But they were a big family and all lived in a smaller home with all the Grandparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, moms, Dads and so on, they are a different culture for sure. Bong Lee is the little girls name and is the sweetest and super shy little girl she was just starting to come out of her shell and then her family moved again, so sad.
Posted 2020-02-11 10:44 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Yeah, the way they live makes it so easy for something like the coronavirus to hit quick and hard.
The people that own the chinese buffet in my town seem to only speak enough english to get by at the restaurant and they all live upstairs. You occasionally see them walking down the street at night when they're closed, but otherwise you won't see them anywhere. I think they just eat their restaurant food & the supply truck comes every week. I'm happy they're here though because they have the best chinese I've had anywhere lol
We leave for a cruise on Saturday. My friend just sent a text asking if the rest of the group was worried.
It's on my mind but I'm not too worried. The one gal going with us almost died from Flu A a few years ago so I'm more concerened for her. I've got lysol spray and clorox wipes packed to wipe down the seats and trays on the flights.
It's not great but I'm not going to cancel my trip over it.
Man I sure would not want to get stuck on one of those cruise ships if somebody does come up sick, then the whole ship will be put under quarantine for 2 weeks.
C and LB are going to Hawaii on their honeymoon, and I'm worried to death about them.
When is the trip to Hawaii going to be? Hopefully it will all be under cortrol when they go on their Honeymoon.
does anyone find it strange that the rioting stopped in china as news of this virus was announced?
Not wanting to start rumors but LOL I have heard a couple of places that it is believed China implanted the virus to cut their population down
That was my first thought when I saw they arrested that Doctor because he was trying to warn citizens about it. At the rate it's going though even the number of current deaths I don't think it would make enough of a dent in their population to consider it being that purpose, unless it keeps killing people for a long time from now. I lived with a girl from there in college and hearing about how they live there, it just amazes me how they do it. We each had a bedroom around 12x15 in size maybe and she was freaked out by the space. Said thats how big her whole apartment was and 14 of them lived there. She said that's normal over there which blows my mind. I always knew they packed them in, but not to that extent. So overpopulated its crazy. So it wouldn't surprise me if the government did try to do something since limiting the number of children they could have didn't seem to work.
Probably explains their lack of personal space boundaries. I swear I had a few encounters where they stand so close to me in line somewhere, like I could feel them breathing. I like my space and need lots of it. That's their "normal" I've seen the subway videos
The Hispanic people down here stand right on top of you and often tread on your heels or hit you with their purse when they move when you are standing in line at stores. I have them bump me with their carts. I don't think they are being mean, they just don't seem to be aware of personal space. I do shoot them dirty looks and have said a sarcastic " Excuse YOU!" They just look at you uncomprehendingly.
We leave for a cruise on Saturday. My friend just sent a text asking if the rest of the group was worried.
It's on my mind but I'm not too worried. The one gal going with us almost died from Flu A a few years ago so I'm more concerened for her. I've got lysol spray and clorox wipes packed to wipe down the seats and trays on the flights.
It's not great but I'm not going to cancel my trip over it.
Man I sure would not want to get stuck on one of those cruise ships if somebody does come up sick, then the whole ship will be put under quarantine for 2 weeks.
C and LB are going to Hawaii on their honeymoon, and I'm worried to death about them.
When is the trip to Hawaii going to be? Hopefully it will all be under cortrol when they go on their Honeymoon.
They wed the 29th and leave the 2nd I believe. . .I'm SOOOO not ready for this emotionally!!! I just pray they are safe and have a ball.
Posted 2020-02-13 9:27 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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The first case of the Coronavirus at Lackland Air Force base in San Antonio, one of the people that are being quarantine there is confirmed. Think goodness for the quarantine..
Posted 2020-02-13 9:29 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Chandler's Mom - 2020-02-11 11:14 PM
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JcNhEmI - 2020-02-10 11:12 AM
We leave for a cruise on Saturday. My friend just sent a text asking if the rest of the group was worried.
It's on my mind but I'm not too worried. The one gal going with us almost died from Flu A a few years ago so I'm more concerened for her. I've got lysol spray and clorox wipes packed to wipe down the seats and trays on the flights.
It's not great but I'm not going to cancel my trip over it.
Man I sure would not want to get stuck on one of those cruise ships if somebody does come up sick, then the whole ship will be put under quarantine for 2 weeks.
C and LB are going to Hawaii on their honeymoon, and I'm worried to death about them.
When is the trip to Hawaii going to be? Hopefully it will all be under cortrol when they go on their Honeymoon.
They wed the 29th and leave the 2nd I believe. . .I'm SOOOO not ready for this emotionally!!! I just pray they are safe and have a ball.
China's covert biological warfare program is ran through a labratory in Wuhan. A former Israeli military intelligence officer who specialized in looking into Chinese bio warfare did an interview with the Washington Times, and he said there was a good chance that the new strain escaped from there inadvertently.
The other theory is that the infection came from eating raw or undercooked bat meat from the authentic meat market in Wuhan. You can buy your meat there "warm," meaning it was just killed. Since it was the Chinese New Year, lots of tourists were visiting the market to see the traditional style of Chinese culture, and that's why so many people were infected right off the bat.
The Coronavirus has a 2% death rate, comparable to the flu. 1,300 people have died from the Coronavirus this year (most all in China, where many still rely on "traditional" medicine there, such as tiger bones or whiskers), and in comparison, 10,000 people have died from the flu. So, no, you don't want it, but it's also not like the Bubonic Plague.
The only reason this is being so blown up by the media is because hearing about the new strain of an illness is scary = people tune into the news to see what's going on = networks make more money.
China's covert biological warfare program is ran through a labratory in Wuhan. A former Israeli military intelligence officer who specialized in looking into Chinese bio warfare did an interview with the Washington Times, and he said there was a good chance that the new strain escaped from there inadvertently.
The other theory is that the infection came from eating raw or undercooked bat meat from the authentic meat market in Wuhan. You can buy your meat there "warm," meaning it was just killed. Since it was the Chinese New Year, lots of tourists were visiting the market to see the traditional style of Chinese culture, and that's why so many people were infected right off the bat.
The Coronavirus has a 2% death rate, comparable to the flu. 1,300 people have died from the Coronavirus this year (most all in China, where many still rely on "traditional" medicine there, such as tiger bones or whiskers), and in comparison, 10,000 people have died from the flu. So, no, you don't want it, but it's also not like the Bubonic Plague.
The only reason this is being so blown up by the media is because hearing about the new strain of an illness is scary = people tune into the news to see what's going on = networks make more money.
While they're blaming varmits, there's also an armadillo type critter called the pangolin that they don't eat but they harvest the scales from for medicine (Chinese love to do that)........anyway it's possible this rodent might be a carrier.
We leave for a cruise on Saturday. My friend just sent a text asking if the rest of the group was worried.
It's on my mind but I'm not too worried. The one gal going with us almost died from Flu A a few years ago so I'm more concerened for her. I've got lysol spray and clorox wipes packed to wipe down the seats and trays on the flights.
It's not great but I'm not going to cancel my trip over it.
Man I sure would not want to get stuck on one of those cruise ships if somebody does come up sick, then the whole ship will be put under quarantine for 2 weeks.
C and LB are going to Hawaii on their honeymoon, and I'm worried to death about them.
When is the trip to Hawaii going to be? Hopefully it will all be under cortrol when they go on their Honeymoon.
They wed the 29th and leave the 2nd I believe. . .I'm SOOOO not ready for this emotionally!!! I just pray they are safe and have a ball.
Of this month?!!!!
Yes mam--I'm stressed and emotional and a wreck. . .
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My fireworks manufacturer wanted me to buy them $2,000 worth of facial masks and ship them to China to protect them in their area. I searched around the country and couldn't find a supply to buy because they are being limited to regular customers, Ect. The funny thing is all the desposable facial masks and the N95 masks are all manufactured in China. Four of the largest manufactures of facial masks are in the Wuhan, China area, where the virus started.
My fireworks manufacturer wanted me to buy them $2,000 worth of facial masks and ship them to China to protect them in their area. I searched around the country and couldn't find a supply to buy because they are being limited to regular customers, Ect. The funny thing is all the desposable facial masks and the N95 masks are all manufactured in China. Four of the largest manufactures of facial masks are in the Wuhan, China area, where the virus started.
......and two different doctors interviewed on TV said the masks don't do any good. They can keep out dust and dirt but not germs of this nature. I've worn them before mowing and could barely stand breathing into them.
My fireworks manufacturer wanted me to buy them $2,000 worth of facial masks and ship them to China to protect them in their area. I searched around the country and couldn't find a supply to buy because they are being limited to regular customers, Ect. The funny thing is all the desposable facial masks and the N95 masks are all manufactured in China. Four of the largest manufactures of facial masks are in the Wuhan, China area, where the virus started.
......and two different doctors interviewed on TV said the masks don't do any good. They can keep out dust and dirt but not germs of this nature. I've worn them before mowing and could barely stand breathing into them.
I saw that to about the Doctors talking about the face masks, most are useless unless they are fitted to your face the right way.. But most dont..
My neighbor who is a doctor said she thinks China intentionally released virus
That is such a scary thought
......and why release it into your own country?
They have been having a lot of rioting in China due to communism, seems younger people are wanting some freedom, most of the rioting seemed to be in the area where the virus started. I totally think they released it themselves to stop the rioting. Plus added bonus of population control.
No. The media has dramatized the outbreak, but with that said I wouldn't travel in that area or take a cruise any time soon.
Ebola is a good example. People do not know, but the Democratic Republic of the Congo has been in an outbreak of Ebola since August 2018, and it is the second largest outbreak of Ebola. It was declared a National Emergency in July 2019 by the World Health Organization, yet most people hardly know about it because it not being reported on. Ebola is just as dangerous today as it was in 2016, but the panic has faded.
Posted 2020-02-17 10:39 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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A second flight arrived at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio this morning are being quarantine at the base, they came off the cruise ship that's been under quarantine for the last 2 weeks, 14 Americans are infected..
First U. S coronavirus death confirmed. Now let the panic really begin. It's on every news station, radio station... are they trying to make the public panic on purpose??! Food shortages? Received emails saying better get stocked up on food survival kits etc etc... its seriously getting out of hand. I'm not discounting the seriousness or severity of it but I feel like some of the panic and warnings are unwarranted I got a text from my sister in a panic because she works at a bank and they sent out a company wide email saying to use caution dealing with the public because of coronavirus. My sister is a bit if a hypochondriac anyway so this just pushed her over her limit! I told her like our dr friend, who is an infectious disease doctor, told us... use common sense, wash hands, avoid super crowded areas and most importantly, remain calm... take care of yourself to stay healthy as you can. For anyone with a compromised Immune system, like my son, use extra caution... no need to run into the bunker with your survival kits and MRE's ... flu is still more dangerous and deadly than this coronavirus. Why is this blowing up so much? "Coronavirus crisis " is what I'm seeing splashed all over the place ... along with politicizing it... is this something to keep our attention from something else perhaps?!
Posted 2020-03-01 6:09 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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want2chase3 - 2020-02-29 11:02 PM
First U. S coronavirus death confirmed. Now let the panic really begin. It's on every news station, radio station... are they trying to make the public panic on purpose??! Food shortages? Received emails saying better get stocked up on food survival kits etc etc... its seriously getting out of hand. I'm not discounting the seriousness or severity of it but I feel like some of the panic and warnings are unwarranted I got a text from my sister in a panic because she works at a bank and they sent out a company wide email saying to use caution dealing with the public because of coronavirus. My sister is a bit if a hypochondriac anyway so this just pushed her over her limit! I told her like our dr friend, who is an infectious disease doctor, told us... use common sense, wash hands, avoid super crowded areas and most importantly, remain calm... take care of yourself to stay healthy as you can. For anyone with a compromised Immune system, like my son, use extra caution... no need to run into the bunker with your survival kits and MRE's ... flu is still more dangerous and deadly than this coronavirus. Why is this blowing up so much? "Coronavirus crisis " is what I'm seeing splashed all over the place ... along with politicizing it... is this something to keep our attention from something else perhaps?!
Listen to Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, throw in the liberal media, and you'll know why panic is a possibility. Also note that the cases you're seeing pop up here in the US just happen to be in sanctuary cities.
When Trump again tries to double down on closing the border, they all scream racist.
Posted 2020-03-01 7:09 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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We have some friends that arrived in Belieze yesterday and they were taken to medical for a couple hour of test before they would let them go to their resort. But they were eventually allowed to continue on.
We have some other friends that are part of a group going to Italy in 3 weeks. Their trip has now been cancelled by the travel agency. And right now they are saying there are no refunds when cancelled for health reasons. That fight has just started so I don't know how that will work out. For the flights Delta is giving them vouchers that be used another time.
Posted 2020-03-01 8:58 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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The news media is causing unnecessary panic -- many, many more people have died and continue to die due to the flu this year and the news has little to say about that. Ebola is ravaging areas in Africa and has been for several years. We have forgotten about SARS and MERS, etc., and the fact we came through those just fine. The USA has a strong and effective protocol for infectious diseases. We have the best medical care in the world. I have acquaintances who hate Trump and are actually reveling in the fact this Coronavirus has caused the stock market to fall and cause such panic. They hope it helps defeat Trump. It's mind-boggling that some people have such hatred that they are excited about the virus effect on our country and Trump. Wash your hands. Avoid crowded places. Help stop idiotic panic. We are close to having a vaccine.
Posted 2020-03-01 9:17 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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....and where too was the outrage when African illegals from Cameroon and the Congo began showing up in our Southern states. The Congo is the hub for Ebola. I saw reporters speak to some in Houston who were just standing in the street asking where they went to get the free money they were expecting. Thank you George Soros.
Again, a new case overnight in Chicago which is a sanctuary city.
I'm kinda torn now, for the first time since all this started. I wasnt too concerned but I'm starting to think it may be more serious than I thought or would like to think. I dont watch much tv anyway but everytime I walk by a tv its something about coronavirus. We decided to go to town last night to eat an early dinner at our favorite Mexican joint. They now have a hand sanitizer station deal set up right by the front door, before you even walk in. And inside there were bottles of hand sanitizer on each table. Tonight, my daughter and I decided to do some late night grocery shopping, I usually do this to avoid the crowd Sunday after church shopping. Late Saturday nights the store is pretty much a ghost town. Each cashier had a huge bottle of hand sanitizer at their register and a second big bottle next to the credit card scanner for customers .. I've never seen that before. My sister in law works in administration for a large hospital out this way and she told me they received an email from corporate yesterday advising them to get some significant cash from their accounts "just in case" things get to that point. I'd usually just shrug and blow it off thinking that's being way too paranoid but it made me get a little nervous.
Posted 2020-03-08 12:05 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Also they have canceled several large events out here in Texas. They canceled a pretty big wine tasting festival not too far from what where I live. And i saw tonight they canceled SXSW festival in Austin. Pretty big deal.
Posted 2020-03-08 9:22 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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want2chase3 - 2020-03-07 11:53 PM
I'm kinda torn now, for the first time since all this started. I wasnt too concerned but I'm starting to think it may be more serious than I thought or would like to think. I dont watch much tv anyway but everytime I walk by a tv its something about coronavirus. We decided to go to town last night to eat an early dinner at our favorite Mexican joint. They now have a hand sanitizer station deal set up right by the front door, before you even walk in. And inside there were bottles of hand sanitizer on each table. Tonight, my daughter and I decided to do some late night grocery shopping, I usually do this to avoid the crowd Sunday after church shopping. Late Saturday nights the store is pretty much a ghost town. Each cashier had a huge bottle of hand sanitizer at their register and a second big bottle next to the credit card scanner for customers .. I've never seen that before. My sister in law works in administration for a large hospital out this way and she told me they received an email from corporate yesterday advising them to get some significant cash from their accounts "just in case" things get to that point. I'd usually just shrug and blow it off thinking that's being way too paranoid but it made me get a little nervous.
I think the panic will be far worse than the disease itself.
The H1N1 flu was far worse and not much was said about it in the media. I actually got sick that year and it was the sickest I have ever been in my life but I never went to the doctor. I think the panic is going to cause people to run to the doctor at the first cough which will make the numbers spike now that testing kits are widely available.
I was told by a few friends a while back when all this Coronavirus (and they are in the medical feild} was getting started here and they were bringing people here to San Antonio from the cruise ship to be quarantine not to take this Coronavirus lightly, Its a new virus and not is known to much about it yet and it spreads pretty fast if in contact with a infected person, best was not to be in or just stay away from crowds of people stay away from busy places like malls and other big places for now untill more is learned about this new virus, best to be safe now then sorry later. So myself I'm taking this serious untill more is learn about it, Its a new Virus so take care and not blow this off, untill more is known about it. Im not stopping life but just taking more cautions then usually.
People may poke fun at me for this but I dont mind. I started my family on taking Colloidal silver drops every morning. It was highly recommended from a person I know and trust 100% who does all herbal and holistic health. I also use the nasal spray daily. Do I think it will totally prevent us from getting sick?? Maybe not but it certainly wont hurt us. We travel for baseball and I'd be lying if I said I wasnt nervous being around all the people and let's be honest, kids are kinda gross, especially boys in the dugout lol! I'm making sure my kids keep hand sanitizer in their bags and have their own water bottles that wont get shared.
People may poke fun at me for this but I dont mind. I started my family on taking Colloidal silver drops every morning. It was highly recommended from a person I know and trust 100% who does all herbal and holistic health. I also use the nasal spray daily. Do I think it will totally prevent us from getting sick?? Maybe not but it certainly wont hurt us. We travel for baseball and I'd be lying if I said I wasnt nervous being around all the people and let's be honest, kids are kinda gross, especially boys in the dugout lol! I'm making sure my kids keep hand sanitizer in their bags and have their own water bottles that wont get shared.
The ones that like poking fun are fools, at least you worry about your family and try you're best to make sure they stay safe. It dont hurt to be a little over cautious, I rather be more a little over then not at all.
People may poke fun at me for this but I dont mind. I started my family on taking Colloidal silver drops every morning. It was highly recommended from a person I know and trust 100% who does all herbal and holistic health. I also use the nasal spray daily. Do I think it will totally prevent us from getting sick?? Maybe not but it certainly wont hurt us. We travel for baseball and I'd be lying if I said I wasnt nervous being around all the people and let's be honest, kids are kinda gross, especially boys in the dugout lol! I'm making sure my kids keep hand sanitizer in their bags and have their own water bottles that wont get shared.
The ones that like poking fun are fools, at least you worry about your family and try you're best to make sure they stay safe. It dont hurt to be a little over cautious, I rather be more a little over then not at all.
I feel the same way ..... And .... I don't mind the "media" keeping me apprised of where there are outbreaks. Many can "poo-poo" the media and the hype that it may just be the "flu" but it has been proven to be deadly to the elderly and those with compromised immunity systems...... A person may not even show symptoms or get sick but they CAN bring it home to their elderly relatives, etc ..... It sure doesn't hurt to be overly cautious!
People may poke fun at me for this but I dont mind. I started my family on taking Colloidal silver drops every morning. It was highly recommended from a person I know and trust 100% who does all herbal and holistic health. I also use the nasal spray daily. Do I think it will totally prevent us from getting sick?? Maybe not but it certainly wont hurt us. We travel for baseball and I'd be lying if I said I wasnt nervous being around all the people and let's be honest, kids are kinda gross, especially boys in the dugout lol! I'm making sure my kids keep hand sanitizer in their bags and have their own water bottles that wont get shared.
The ones that like poking fun are fools, at least you worry about your family and try you're best to make sure they stay safe. It dont hurt to be a little over cautious, I rather be more a little over then not at all.
I feel the same way ..... And .... I don't mind the "media" keeping me apprised of where there are outbreaks. Many can "poo-poo" the media and the hype that it may just be the "flu" but it has been proven to be deadly to the elderly and those with compromised immunity systems...... A person may not even show symptoms or get sick but they CAN bring it home to their elderly relatives, etc ..... It sure doesn't hurt to be overly cautious!
Exactly. While Jacob is deemed healthy and in remission, we still absolutely need to take precautions with him and all of us that live with him. My daughter is insisting she go to a large event with her father next week, it's a week long motorcycle race thing. I told her if she decided to go she would need to stay at her fathers for at least a few weeks when they returned, just to be absolutely safe. She did the 15 yr old girl eye roll and agreed. It may seem over the top but I couldn't imagine how awful we would all feel if she accidentally got ill and brought it home to him. Better safe than sorry and she can take her laptop and do her school work at his place. Another plus for deciding to homeschool, it's been a Godsend to my family.
Posted 2020-03-09 7:27 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-08 6:22 PM
want2chase3 - 2020-03-08 12:25 PM
People may poke fun at me for this but I dont mind. I started my family on taking Colloidal silver drops every morning. It was highly recommended from a person I know and trust 100% who does all herbal and holistic health. I also use the nasal spray daily. Do I think it will totally prevent us from getting sick?? Maybe not but it certainly wont hurt us. We travel for baseball and I'd be lying if I said I wasnt nervous being around all the people and let's be honest, kids are kinda gross, especially boys in the dugout lol! I'm making sure my kids keep hand sanitizer in their bags and have their own water bottles that wont get shared.
The ones that like poking fun are fools, at least you worry about your family and try you're best to make sure they stay safe. It dont hurt to be a little over cautious, I rather be more a little over then not at all.
My standard protocol when headed to a multi-day show weekend is to snort my silver spray, coat nasal passage with bacitracin nightly, and take minimal dosage of sambucol starting the weekend before. I continue through the show weekend. I'm glad to have the protocol in place since this next weekend may be the biggest 'spread' of covid19. I'm not terribly worried about dying, but this protocol helps lessen the severity of whatever I may pick up out and about this weekend.
Posted 2020-03-09 8:42 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Not a new virus. It has been around for sometime. Prob had lots of cases in the US in the past, but was never really tested for at the DR office. When was the last time they tested you for the cor. virus when you went in sick? They swabbed for the flu and if that was negative they said you must have a cold...... Now they are testing more, so of course, it will show up more. All of the stats I have seen do not put it anywhere near the flu, measles, or the hundreds of other common diseases we have here in terms of spreadability, death rate, ect.
On the up side....airline tickets are cheap right now.
Posted 2020-03-09 9:20 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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CrossDRanch - 2020-03-09 8:42 AM
Not a new virus. It has been around for sometime. Prob had lots of cases in the US in the past, but was never really tested for at the DR office. When was the last time they tested you for the cor. virus when you went in sick? They swabbed for the flu and if that was negative they said you must have a cold...... Now they are testing more, so of course, it will show up more. All of the stats I have seen do not put it anywhere near the flu, measles, or the hundreds of other common diseases we have here in terms of spreadability, death rate, ect.
On the up side....airline tickets are cheap right now.
Yes...you are correct.....the Corona Virus HAS been around for awhile but just like the regular flu, there are different strains of it! That is why there is a "new" flu vaccine every year ...... However, this strain of the Corona Virus is more deadly and there is NO vaccine! I would rather be safe than sorry ......
Posted 2020-03-09 9:46 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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lonely va barrelxr - 2020-03-09 7:27 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-08 6:22 PM
want2chase3 - 2020-03-08 12:25 PM
People may poke fun at me for this but I dont mind. I started my family on taking Colloidal silver drops every morning. It was highly recommended from a person I know and trust 100% who does all herbal and holistic health. I also use the nasal spray daily. Do I think it will totally prevent us from getting sick?? Maybe not but it certainly wont hurt us. We travel for baseball and I'd be lying if I said I wasnt nervous being around all the people and let's be honest, kids are kinda gross, especially boys in the dugout lol! I'm making sure my kids keep hand sanitizer in their bags and have their own water bottles that wont get shared.
The ones that like poking fun are fools, at least you worry about your family and try you're best to make sure they stay safe. It dont hurt to be a little over cautious, I rather be more a little over then not at all.
My standard protocol when headed to a multi-day show weekend is to snort my silver spray, coat nasal passage with bacitracin nightly, and take minimal dosage of sambucol starting the weekend before. I continue through the show weekend. I'm glad to have the protocol in place since this next weekend may be the biggest 'spread' of covid19. I'm not terribly worried about dying, but this protocol helps lessen the severity of whatever I may pick up out and about this weekend.
Why is this coming weekend going to be the biggest spread? We are actually traveling this weekend to an away basement tournament with our youngest son. We decided to haul our LQ to stay on the grounds as they actually have hookups there instead of a hotel. It's all outdoors and looking at the attending list it's not going to be a very large tourney at all..
Posted 2020-03-09 10:35 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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want2chase3 - 2020-03-09 10:46 AM
lonely va barrelxr - 2020-03-09 7:27 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-08 6:22 PM
want2chase3 - 2020-03-08 12:25 PM
People may poke fun at me for this but I dont mind. I started my family on taking Colloidal silver drops every morning. It was highly recommended from a person I know and trust 100% who does all herbal and holistic health. I also use the nasal spray daily. Do I think it will totally prevent us from getting sick?? Maybe not but it certainly wont hurt us. We travel for baseball and I'd be lying if I said I wasnt nervous being around all the people and let's be honest, kids are kinda gross, especially boys in the dugout lol! I'm making sure my kids keep hand sanitizer in their bags and have their own water bottles that wont get shared.
The ones that like poking fun are fools, at least you worry about your family and try you're best to make sure they stay safe. It dont hurt to be a little over cautious, I rather be more a little over then not at all.
My standard protocol when headed to a multi-day show weekend is to snort my silver spray, coat nasal passage with bacitracin nightly, and take minimal dosage of sambucol starting the weekend before. I continue through the show weekend. I'm glad to have the protocol in place since this next weekend may be the biggest 'spread' of covid19. I'm not terribly worried about dying, but this protocol helps lessen the severity of whatever I may pick up out and about this weekend.
Why is this coming weekend going to be the biggest spread? We are actually traveling this weekend to an away basement tournament with our youngest son. We decided to haul our LQ to stay on the grounds as they actually have hookups there instead of a hotel. It's all outdoors and looking at the attending list it's not going to be a very large tourney at all..
This week, or next week, possibly the week after that, the numbers will reach the flash point and then the number of infected will rise exponentially. My opinion only.
Posted 2020-03-09 11:07 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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NJJ - 2020-03-09 9:20 AM
CrossDRanch - 2020-03-09 8:42 AM
Not a new virus. It has been around for sometime. Prob had lots of cases in the US in the past, but was never really tested for at the DR office. When was the last time they tested you for the cor. virus when you went in sick? They swabbed for the flu and if that was negative they said you must have a cold...... Now they are testing more, so of course, it will show up more. All of the stats I have seen do not put it anywhere near the flu, measles, or the hundreds of other common diseases we have here in terms of spreadability, death rate, ect.
On the up side....airline tickets are cheap right now.
Yes...you are correct.....the Corona Virus HAS been around for awhile but just like the regular flu, there are different strains of it! That is why there is a "new" flu vaccine every year ...... However, this strain of the Corona Virus is more deadly and there is NO vaccine! I would rather be safe than sorry ......
I should have clarify it better, Its a NEW stran of Covonavirus thats very dangerous and the doctors dont know much about it yet. The vaccine could take up a year or more to make and thats going to be a long year. So hopefully it wont take that long, Thank you Norma for pointing that out
Flying and taking a Cruise is the last thing I would want to do, A friend of ours job is to do a whole lot of flying to get to jobs and she's grounded for the next 3 weeks, the company she works for will not send any of their people out to keep them out of harms ways the best they can. Shes going stir crazy thou, shes so use to going and going she dont know what to do with herself. She loves flying out to these new places.
Just read a google news story about an "employee" of a middle school in GA testing positive for the virus, they sent home the kids and closed down the school, now trying to track all who was in contact with this employee, didnt say if it was a teacher or not. All the hysteria the media is causing by showing barren grocery store shelves and people fist fighting over toilet paper .... I went to Wally world today and everything is totally fine, no shortages of anything. And I was at another major grocery chain the other day and all was fine. I saw something the other day about that animated show, "The Simpsons" it's been said everything they have shown has come to fruition.. including this virus from China... very interesting! I need to find the article. Sure makes ya wonder....
Posted 2020-03-10 8:27 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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want2chase3 - 2020-03-10 12:50 AM
Just read a google news story about an "employee" of a middle school in GA testing positive for the virus, they sent home the kids and closed down the school, now trying to track all who was in contact with this employee, didnt say if it was a teacher or not. All the hysteria the media is causing by showing barren grocery store shelves and people fist fighting over toilet paper .... I went to Wally world today and everything is totally fine, no shortages of anything. And I was at another major grocery chain the other day and all was fine. I saw something the other day about that animated show, "The Simpsons" it's been said everything they have shown has come to fruition.. including this virus from China... very interesting! I need to find the article. Sure makes ya wonder....
A coworkers sister works in Admin for Fulton County Schools. It was a person who was a substitute teacher. They had been to 3 different schools. They (the school district) knew if they didn't take action the hysteria would build. Atlanta is one of the biggest international airports in the US, of course there is going to be people who have it.
Of course if you are compromised in your health, don't go out as much if you are worried.
To the rest of the people, use commonsense and wash your hands. Follow basic hygiene rules. They work.
Posted 2020-03-10 9:13 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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3canstorun - 2020-03-10 8:27 AM
want2chase3 - 2020-03-10 12:50 AM
Just read a google news story about an "employee" of a middle school in GA testing positive for the virus, they sent home the kids and closed down the school, now trying to track all who was in contact with this employee, didnt say if it was a teacher or not. All the hysteria the media is causing by showing barren grocery store shelves and people fist fighting over toilet paper .... I went to Wally world today and everything is totally fine, no shortages of anything. And I was at another major grocery chain the other day and all was fine. I saw something the other day about that animated show, "The Simpsons" it's been said everything they have shown has come to fruition.. including this virus from China... very interesting! I need to find the article. Sure makes ya wonder....
A coworkers sister works in Admin for Fulton County Schools. It was a person who was a substitute teacher. They had been to 3 different schools. They (the school district) knew if they didn't take action the hysteria would build. Atlanta is one of the biggest international airports in the US, of course there is going to be people who have it.
Of course if you are compromised in your health, don't go out as much if you are worried.
To the rest of the people, use commonsense and wash your hands. Follow basic hygiene rules. They work.
Geez hopefully nothing will come of it. Thanks for the information. My son had cancer and has 1 kidney, we were told by his team of drs to always use extra precautions with him as his immune system is compromised but hes been in remission. Hes really the only reason I'm worried about this or any of us getting sick and exposing him. It scares me to death really.
Just read a google news story about an "employee" of a middle school in GA testing positive for the virus, they sent home the kids and closed down the school, now trying to track all who was in contact with this employee, didnt say if it was a teacher or not. All the hysteria the media is causing by showing barren grocery store shelves and people fist fighting over toilet paper .... I went to Wally world today and everything is totally fine, no shortages of anything. And I was at another major grocery chain the other day and all was fine. I saw something the other day about that animated show, "The Simpsons" it's been said everything they have shown has come to fruition.. including this virus from China... very interesting! I need to find the article. Sure makes ya wonder....
Ummm... You literally can't find toilet paper or lysol wipes or bleach here where I live in Canada. You have to go to 4 or so different stores if you actually need any of the above prodcuts. The panic is true.
Just read a google news story about an "employee" of a middle school in GA testing positive for the virus, they sent home the kids and closed down the school, now trying to track all who was in contact with this employee, didnt say if it was a teacher or not. All the hysteria the media is causing by showing barren grocery store shelves and people fist fighting over toilet paper .... I went to Wally world today and everything is totally fine, no shortages of anything. And I was at another major grocery chain the other day and all was fine. I saw something the other day about that animated show, "The Simpsons" it's been said everything they have shown has come to fruition.. including this virus from China... very interesting! I need to find the article. Sure makes ya wonder....
It wasn't on the simpsons, that was debunked. Our stores are also still well stocked. There is a 5 per customer limit on disinfectants & soaps, but thats it
Just read a google news story about an "employee" of a middle school in GA testing positive for the virus, they sent home the kids and closed down the school, now trying to track all who was in contact with this employee, didnt say if it was a teacher or not. All the hysteria the media is causing by showing barren grocery store shelves and people fist fighting over toilet paper .... I went to Wally world today and everything is totally fine, no shortages of anything. And I was at another major grocery chain the other day and all was fine. I saw something the other day about that animated show, "The Simpsons" it's been said everything they have shown has come to fruition.. including this virus from China... very interesting! I need to find the article. Sure makes ya wonder....
Ummm... You literally can't find toilet paper or lysol wipes or bleach here where I live in Canada. You have to go to 4 or so different stores if you actually need any of the above prodcuts. The panic is true.
And the hysteria is not necessary... preparedness is necessary but not panic for crying out loud. I'm sorry you are having to deal with those shortages like that. I personally have not run into it around here. I just returned from my hair salon and my girl was telling me that a stylist there just got back from a cruise, they asked her to please stay home for a few weeks, they cannot make her, but she is staying away for a few weeks just to be safe. I have a legit question, for the people that have tested positive for it, how are they being treated? Antibiotics, or ?? Is this a flu like virus that just needs to run its course... if anyone knows and wants to share, thatd be great! Are the people that tested positive early on better now?
Of course there's more flu deaths. There's abundantly more cases of the flu. It's the mortality rate of the corona virus if someone does happen to get it that's the issue. I've heard anywhere from 2-3%. Versus the flu, which is something like 0.5-1% (and no, I haven't verified those percentages exactly but it's something like that).
This is essentially a viral pneumonia. I know we keep hearing to wash your hands, don't touch your face if you haven't washed your hands, and use hand sanitizer when you can't wash your hands. In other words, what you should be doing to prevent getting sick anyway.
I work in the veterinary industry and we already have surgical N95 masks on allocation because people are panicking. What's gonna happen when we run out on the human and veterinary side? We need these masks in the medical industry!
Currently 15 Corona virus deaths in the US with 46,000 Flu deaths. Currently 299 Corona cases in US and 45 million flu cases.
You are a teacher correct? In California? Have the schools sent out any precautions about coronavirus? Several schools around here have issued notices, even though its spring break they are worried about when kids returned from traveling around which I know several are doing despite the warnings.
Of course there's more flu deaths. There's abundantly more cases of the flu. It's the mortality rate of the corona virus if someone does happen to get it that's the issue. I've heard anywhere from 2-3%. Versus the flu, which is something like 0.5-1% (and no, I haven't verified those percentages exactly but it's something like that).
This is essentially a viral pneumonia. I know we keep hearing to wash your hands, don't touch your face if you haven't washed your hands, and use hand sanitizer when you can't wash your hands. In other words, what you should be doing to prevent getting sick anyway.
I work in the veterinary industry and we already have surgical N95 masks on allocation because people are panicking. What's gonna happen when we run out on the human and veterinary side? We need these masks in the medical industry!
The last reliable numbers I heard were based on the cruise ship with all those people on it. .85% Less than one percent died.
I have been watching these 2 websites for a few days. Very interesting to watch it travel. I tried to check out the CDC website you would think it would be easier to find information.
ETA: I did find info on CDC website, just didn't look hard enough the first time.
Currently 15 Corona virus deaths in the US with 46,000 Flu deaths. Currently 299 Corona cases in US and 45 million flu cases.
You are a teacher correct? In California? Have the schools sent out any precautions about coronavirus? Several schools around here have issued notices, even though its spring break they are worried about when kids returned from traveling around which I know several are doing despite the warnings.
Yep! Just yesterday. Our district has canceled all field trips, large gatherings on campus such as pep rally's , dances , prom, assemblies. Etc. online school is being put into place and tested should it come to that.
jd&ez, this is not a thread about Politics, I didnt Quote you because I would like you to remove your post, and start your own thread if you want to start bashing OUR President, do it on your own thread Please!!
Just read a google news story about an "employee" of a middle school in GA testing positive for the virus, they sent home the kids and closed down the school, now trying to track all who was in contact with this employee, didnt say if it was a teacher or not. All the hysteria the media is causing by showing barren grocery store shelves and people fist fighting over toilet paper .... I went to Wally world today and everything is totally fine, no shortages of anything. And I was at another major grocery chain the other day and all was fine. I saw something the other day about that animated show, "The Simpsons" it's been said everything they have shown has come to fruition.. including this virus from China... very interesting! I need to find the article. Sure makes ya wonder....
Ummm... You literally can't find toilet paper or lysol wipes or bleach here where I live in Canada. You have to go to 4 or so different stores if you actually need any of the above prodcuts. The panic is true.
Lula Bell and C are flying home from Hawaii tonight, and she told us that Hawaii was rationing toilet paper and they couldn't find Germ-X anywhere. . . .
Daddy said he saw 2 women literally fighting over TP in Australia on tv Sunday am.
Posted 2020-03-11 8:50 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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We have I think 13 Presumptive Positive tests here in Iowa at the moment. A whole group when on an Egyptian cruise.
I had to look up presumptive positive. Which means they had 1 positive test marker, so they assume it's probably real, then they send the sample to the CDC for their real test.
I did manage to get my regular toilet paper last night, and I only bought one of my usual packages. I refuse to be in a panic state. Our Walmart had plenty of variety of TP. They also had Clorox or whatever wipes. I didn't even look or go to the hand santizer aisle.
Posted 2020-03-11 10:15 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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I live in rural Utah, the closest Walmart is in southwest Wyoming, I thought being in a rural area we'd be immune from the crazy no toilet paper craze, nope. I needed hand sanitizer, I tried 2 stores before I gave up.
I work with a guy who is having a complete melt down about getting the corona virus. He's been freaking out for over a week about it. Yesterday he went MIA. No one knew if he was coming in to work, and he wouldn't answer the phone. Come to find out another co-worker was in Italy last week. He didn't tell anyone he'd been out of the country just came back to work. So I think that's why this guy is freaking out so bad.
Do I love it, no, but I don't have a lot of close contact with this guy. I'll just keep my hands washed.
The CDC website says there is like 650 cases. . compare that to the millions of people in the US, that's a low percentage of people.
I get it's scary, especially for those with compromised immunity but is it really any worse than the flu??
Posted 2020-03-11 10:43 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Colleges are closing/going online, Colorado Governor declared it a state of Emergency. I think the major worry for colleges is everyone going places for spring break and then each campus becoming a breeding ground for it
Posted 2020-03-11 11:18 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Unless you are considered "high risk" meaning over 50, have a pre-existing condition or have traveled where there has been an outbreak, please just wash your hands and go about your day. Most Americans statistically have a better chance of dying in a tragic scooter accident than dying from covid-19.
People need to stop freaking out and just.... WASH. YOUR. HANDS.
Posted 2020-03-11 11:43 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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babbsywabbsy - 2020-03-11 11:18 AM
Unless you are considered "high risk" meaning over 50, have a pre-existing condition or have traveled where there has been an outbreak, please just wash your hands and go about your day. Most Americans statistically have a better chance of dying in a tragic scooter accident than dying from covid-19.
People need to stop freaking out and just.... WASH. YOUR. HANDS.
Oh my God, now I have to worry about a tragic scooter accident. (kidding)
Posted 2020-03-11 11:49 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Knock on wood, I have survived my whole life without getting sick, other than minor colds. And sometimes I wonder if being a horse person has built up our immunity somewhat. We're so much more exposed to elements, the amounts of dirt/dust we eat/inhale has got to be astronomical, 5 second rules on food we drop on the barn floor but still eat anyway, touching their feet/tails and not paying attention and touching our faces wiping sweat off on a hot day, touching the same pen as the other 100 people that have entered the race, etc. . I would think we'd be immune to anything after all that lol
Posted 2020-03-11 11:55 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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JLazyT_perf_horses - 2020-03-11 9:49 AM
Knock on wood, I have survived my whole life without getting sick, other than minor colds. And sometimes I wonder if being a horse person has built up our immunity somewhat. We're so much more exposed to elements, the amounts of dirt/dust we eat/inhale has got to be astronomical, 5 second rules on food we drop on the barn floor but still eat anyway, touching their feet/tails and not paying attention and touching our faces wiping sweat off on a hot day, touching the same pen as the other 100 people that have entered the race, etc. . I would think we'd be immune to anything after all that lol
YES!!! I was a rodeo kid and as a child I was under the bleachers playing in nasty conditions no less than 6 days a week. LOL. I rarely ever get sick. Parents these days try and sterilize every single thing!! Makes ya wonder.
Knock on wood, I have survived my whole life without getting sick, other than minor colds. And sometimes I wonder if being a horse person has built up our immunity somewhat. We're so much more exposed to elements, the amounts of dirt/dust we eat/inhale has got to be astronomical, 5 second rules on food we drop on the barn floor but still eat anyway, touching their feet/tails and not paying attention and touching our faces wiping sweat off on a hot day, touching the same pen as the other 100 people that have entered the race, etc. . I would think we'd be immune to anything after all that lol
YES!!! I was a rodeo kid and as a child I was under the bleachers playing in nasty conditions no less than 6 days a week. LOL. I rarely ever get sick. Parents these days try and sterilize every single thing!! Makes ya wonder.
I'm totally the definition of free range mom at our little farm and my kids are into EVERYTHING. Mud, dirt, animal poo piles. Whatever. Other than sniffles here and there when weather changes or ear infections, our kids have faired pretty well thus far.
I just went to Sam's for rourine stick up. No toilet paper shortages but Clorox wipes and hand sanitizer were gone from shelves. I think I will just being some symbiot ag wash in the house. It is supposed to kil! Bacteria, viruses and fungus. I have enough to make about 45 gallons.
It says the rodeo is still on, so will there just not be anyone in the stands?
When I watched Rodeo Houston last week for a couple nights on CC there were not hardly anyone in the stands, lots and lots of empty seats.. I was thinking that maybe the Coronavirus stir up is causing alot to stay away.
I think this Coronvirus is going to affect alot of events unfortunately. This summer is not going to be a good one for water parks and other big theme parks
As I am getting ready to write a check for the BBR finals I am wondering if it will be affected. So far OK has only had a couple of cases, but I figure it is only a matter of time. With the race drawing from such a wide area there is definitely concern.
President just gave a speech and is suspending all travel from Europe for 30 days. Tom Hanks and his wife are in Australia and have both been diagnosed with Coronavirus after feeling ill. NBA Utah Jazz player tested positive and the NBA season is likely over. Thanks President Trump for being a leader early in the game and suspending travel from China. As I speak there are over 300 Chinese at our Southern border being detained in Mexico. This is directly after Dems tried to overturn the asylum law Trump put into place where illegals have to stay in Mexico until given the right to enter the US. These Chinese came here because they're trying to escape the disease in their own country. People from over 70 countries have been detained at our border since the outbreak but how many made it through. It's not that hard to do.
...and oh yeah Bernie Sanders said if it was his decision he would let them all in. Open borders, a Dem thing.
Posted 2020-03-12 9:37 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Frodo - 2020-03-11 9:24 PM
President just gave a speech and is suspending all travel from Europe for 30 days. Tom Hanks and his wife are in Australia and have both been diagnosed with Coronavirus after feeling ill. NBA Utah Jazz player tested positive and the NBA season is likely over. Thanks President Trump for being a leader early in the game and suspending travel from China. As I speak there are over 300 Chinese at our Southern border being detained in Mexico. This is directly after Dems tried to overturn the asylum law Trump put into place where illegals have to stay in Mexico until given the right to enter the US. These Chinese came here because they're trying to escape the disease in their own country. People from over 70 countries have been detained at our border since the outbreak but how many made it through. It's not that hard to do.
...and oh yeah Bernie Sanders said if it was his decision he would let them all in. Open borders, a Dem thing.
How anyone could actually vote for that nut job it beyond me.
Posted 2020-03-12 10:12 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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vjls - 2020-03-11 1:24 PM
its nuts but what is really gonna gett thing going is if and when trucker quit deleriving . i workfor a major trucking co non of our drivers
are even thinking of shutting down but....... if truckers would no more tp
Laura's daddy works for the Georgia Pacific mill in Crossett, and he couldn't even get TP from there. . .
We have plenty of TP here in The Corpus Christi, Tx. but seriously, what's up with TP being bought out? I understand hand sanitizer, but shouldn't soap be selling out instead of TP?
Posted 2020-03-12 10:23 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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GLP - 2020-03-12 10:12 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2020-03-11 9:19 PM
vjls - 2020-03-11 1:24 PM
its nuts but what is really gonna gett thing going is if and when trucker quit deleriving . i workfor a major trucking co non of our drivers
are even thinking of shutting down but....... if truckers would no more tp
Laura's daddy works for the Georgia Pacific mill in Crossett, and he couldn't even get TP from there. . .
We have plenty of TP here in The Corpus Christi, Tx. but seriously, what's up with TP being bought out? I understand hand sanitizer, but shouldn't soap be selling out instead of TP?
We have plenty here too in Seguin, I have the same way of thinking, why the tp and not the hand soap? After I saw that video of those big ole women fighting over the tp, all I could do was shake my head at how stupid humans can be..Grown women Fighting over TP now that just takes the cake as my Daddy would be saying if he were still with us.
Posted 2020-03-12 10:24 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Here in Washington state, it's getting absolutely ridiculous. All events with more than 250 people are cancelled - governer just announced this. As of today, a bunch of school districts on the west side are closed for 4-6 weeks starting today. (Wonder what these parents are supposed to do with young children that cannot be home alone) Workplaces are having people "telecommute" if they at all can. My husband's work hired someone that walks around all day cleaning doorknobs, tables, bathrooms, etc. We are basically under a quarantine in this dang state!
Posted 2020-03-12 10:31 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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GLP - 2020-03-12 10:12 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2020-03-11 9:19 PM
vjls - 2020-03-11 1:24 PM
its nuts but what is really gonna gett thing going is if and when trucker quit deleriving . i workfor a major trucking co non of our drivers
are even thinking of shutting down but....... if truckers would no more tp
Laura's daddy works for the Georgia Pacific mill in Crossett, and he couldn't even get TP from there. . .
We have plenty of TP here in The Corpus Christi, Tx. but seriously, what's up with TP being bought out? I understand hand sanitizer, but shouldn't soap be selling out instead of TP?
I saw a really cute meme yesterday . It was Baby Yoda proclaiming "What do washing hands have to do with buying allllll the toilet paper.?"
Posted 2020-03-12 10:41 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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And now all the talk shows with live audience's Will NOT be taping with a live audience.. Like The Talk, and the late night talk shows. I wonder what The Price Is Right going to do since the live audiences is what makes this show?
Posted 2020-03-12 10:50 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Our Walmart was finally out of TP yesterday, but we also have the smaller walmart so the stock is never huge anyway. Water is also gone now too. Even the thing where you can refill your jugs had a sign on it that it was empty. I'm going to assume people are just stocking up in case there comes a time when they can't go out. It literally went from being fine one day to now buying up stuff. I noticed frozen food aisle was half empty too. But Costco a couple miles away still had everything so no mass hysteria there yet. I still have 6 months worth of toilet paper and enough food in the freezer so I suppose if I got confined to my house I'd be alright. I'm still not super worried about it, but it is kind of funny watching people panic
I was wondering if our baseball tournaments that begin this weekend were in danger of being cancelled. To my surprise, we are still on. However, the organization sent out a state wide notice of new mandatory rules effective immediately that coaches, umpires and players will not be allowed to shake hands or high 5 each other before, during and after games like they always have. Out of all the things, this is probably the most stupid I've seen. But whatever. We are going in prepared, like we always have... I bring hand sanitizer because the restrooms are usually nasty and out of soap!
its nuts but what is really gonna gett thing going is if and when trucker quit deleriving . i workfor a major trucking co non of our drivers
are even thinking of shutting down but....... if truckers would no more tp
Laura's daddy works for the Georgia Pacific mill in Crossett, and he couldn't even get TP from there. . .
We have plenty of TP here in The Corpus Christi, Tx. but seriously, what's up with TP being bought out? I understand hand sanitizer, but shouldn't soap be selling out instead of TP?
All I can figure out is if they tell everyone to stay home then you can take care of business?!!!!
We went to town today to get water for our dispenser, like we always do weekly. We were lucky to get 4 bottles because that's all that was left. 5 gallon jugs. And that was at a hardware store. We went next door to the smaller grocery store to get something for supper. We saw they had their toilet paper out front and center with a big sign that said limit 2 per family. And same with bottled water. I did grab bottled water because I always do! I keep a few cases in my fridge in the feed room and I always keep the ice chest in my pickup filled with bottled water for baseball boys. Oh yeah and they were completely out of hand sanitizer. The small hardware store had a sign out front saying no public use of our restroom. Guess that's their way of trying to keep more germs at bay.....
Posted 2020-03-13 11:07 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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crossspur - 2020-03-13 10:38 AM
I finally found out what all the TP hoarding is about. Other countries ran out of TP because it is produced in China.
That makes sense. When I was at Dillons yesterday one thing kind of funny was the shelves were pretty much empty but what was left gave you insight into what people don't like in the way of toilet paper. The Charmin with the red packaging was untouched.
Posted 2020-03-13 11:30 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Frodo - 2020-03-13 11:07 AM
crossspur - 2020-03-13 10:38 AM
I finally found out what all the TP hoarding is about. Other countries ran out of TP because it is produced in China.
That makes sense. When I was at Dillons yesterday one thing kind of funny was the shelves were pretty much empty but what was left gave you insight into what people don't like in the way of toilet paper. The Charmin with the red packaging was untouched.
The red charmin is the best charmin.....but also if you you look it up there's never actually been a shortage from suppliers or a shortage of it coming from China. And there's still not a shortage from suppliers, the stores just can't get it in fast enough to keep up with the panic. There's still more than enough toilet paper in the world for everyone lol
Think of all the TP that was wasted in my youth from tp'ing peoples houses
See how it all comes back to bite you in the butt. Just saw a cute meme with an arrogant cat. "I was stuck in a long line at Wal-Mart so I coughed and said 'this cough is just so much worse since I got back from China.' Line gone.
Sadly we made the decision to skip out on this weekend baseball tournaments. We spoke with Jacob's oncologist and talked about everything and made that decision. We have no idea how he would react to getting even the flu .. a lot of teams are actually pulling out as I type this, I imagine the entire thing may be canceled. While the boys are bummed out, they understand. It's just not worth the risk to us at this point.
I'm a teacher and we just got 4 weeks of spring break...
Our Spring Break got extended too, I'm just really happy that they are looking out for the kids, my Granddaughter has a liver disease that affects her spleen and we just cant chance her getting the flu or being exposed to the coronavirus, I feel being safe is the best way to go then being sorry later down the road.
Sadly we made the decision to skip out on this weekend baseball tournaments. We spoke with Jacob's oncologist and talked about everything and made that decision. We have no idea how he would react to getting even the flu .. a lot of teams are actually pulling out as I type this, I imagine the entire thing may be canceled. While the boys are bummed out, they understand. It's just not worth the risk to us at this point.
I'm sorry that this weekend didnt work out for Jacob, but keeping him healthy is way up there on top of the list, there will more tournaments to go too..
I felt kind of stupid at first, like I was buying into all the chaos and fear ... then I got to thinking I'd feel this exact same way if say a strep throat outbreak was spreading or regular flu or stomach bug being spread ... I'd keep him home and wouldn't think twice about it. It's just the way it is with him. The baseball team and coaches are all very supportive and understanding. This whole thing makes me sad, stores running out of basic things, people waiting in long lines for fuel, everything being canceled, the jokes, the fear being spread by the media .. it's making me seriously depressed. Being told over n over the flu is worse ... I know it is and I think people know that but since everyone else is in a panic and buying everything they can, they do too. You almost have to so you arent left with nothing when it's all gone. Someone text me and said they are setting up tents outside a hospital because they are expecting thousands to become ill. What good is that?? Pure panic ... another posted on her Facebook that the Government is going to shut down everything for 8 weeks so people need to go get food, (a friends sisters cousins boyfriend that works at the Pentagon and sent out a heads up).. water and necessities to last that long... why put that out?? To make people freak out ... it's just stupid ....
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Sadly, I am one of the high-risk folks -- over 60 and a rather bad case of chronic asthma. Otherwise, I am extremely healthy. I have not gone into hiding -- there are no cases in our area of the state or county so everyone here is pretty much going about a normal life. Schools are still open. We even have toilet paper in our stores! However, if the illness does erupt in my town/city, I have been told to stay home and away from folks as a precautionary measure. I will do that. Until then, life goes on! I do the same to avoid strep when it is rampant in our county. I get a flu shot every year and have for over 30 years. I've not had the flu since I began getting a shot every year, so I've never stayed home because of the flu. I carry wipes in all my vehicles and clean my hands after gassing up -- and have done that for over 25 years -- ever since I DID get strep out of the blue and my doctor believed I got it from a gas pump or Walmart shopping cart! I clean all cart handles and have done so for years -- and I'm a devoted soap/water hand-washer. I've not even had a cold in about ten years! HOWEVER, I cannot tell you how many times I've eaten sandwiches at horse events and not bothered to wash my hands.... I believe eating all that dust, mud, mature, hair, etc., for years has boosted my immune system! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We just had the first positive case in my county today so it's gotten a little nuts around here. A man that just returned from Italy.
i think you are doing right for jacob;))))We have cases VERY CLOSE TO US.Im taking it seriously,and im glad most people here are.I have NO PROBLEM with them extending the schools spring break 3 weeks,no huge gatherings either.Toilet paper is hit and miss,drug mart limits it to one pack.The safer the better i say,GET RID OF IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND KEEP THE HIGH RISK AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE.I have no problem with the way its being handled because some people just think they are indispensable.
We just had the first positive case in my county today so it's gotten a little nuts around here. A man that just returned from Italy.
i think you are doing right for jacob;))))We have cases VERY CLOSE TO US.Im taking it seriously,and im glad most people here are.I have NO PROBLEM with them extending the schools spring break 3 weeks,no huge gatherings either.Toilet paper is hit and miss,drug mart limits it to one pack.The safer the better i say,GET RID OF IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND KEEP THE HIGH RISK AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE.I have no problem with the way its being handled because some people just think they are indispensable.
And the scary thing IS alot are not taking this seriously, like I said befor you dont have to go nuts just use common sense, and I can bet that there's going to be more rodeos and barrel races sooner then later once all this is under control
I felt kind of stupid at first, like I was buying into all the chaos and fear ... then I got to thinking I'd feel this exact same way if say a strep throat outbreak was spreading or regular flu or stomach bug being spread ... I'd keep him home and wouldn't think twice about it. It's just the way it is with him. The baseball team and coaches are all very supportive and understanding. This whole thing makes me sad, stores running out of basic things, people waiting in long lines for fuel, everything being canceled, the jokes, the fear being spread by the media .. it's making me seriously depressed. Being told over n over the flu is worse ... I know it is and I think people know that but since everyone else is in a panic and buying everything they can, they do too. You almost have to so you arent left with nothing when it's all gone. Someone text me and said they are setting up tents outside a hospital because they are expecting thousands to become ill. What good is that?? Pure panic ... another posted on her Facebook that the Government is going to shut down everything for 8 weeks so people need to go get food, (a friends sisters cousins boyfriend that works at the Pentagon and sent out a heads up).. water and necessities to last that long... why put that out?? To make people freak out ... it's just stupid ....
Dont ever feel stupid when it comes to your family!!!!
I just feel so bad keeping him from playing. I totally thought they would have canceled this tournament by now. They are going forward with it. Even though several teams dropped. The first 2 teams we were set to play dropped out. So they had to redo the schedule. His team is going. I literally just broke down in my barn tonight after riding and I dont even know why! Lol! I hate seeing my kids disappointed. But I know deep inside this was the right thing to do. This whole thing is making me nuts!! Our grocery stores shelves are almost empty and people are in full panic mode now, even our tiny dollar general is picked clean. My husband and I plan to go try to get a few groceries early in the morning.. I hope it's not a nightmare. I just need a few things. It may not even be worth it
I just feel so bad keeping him from playing. I totally thought they would have canceled this tournament by now. They are going forward with it. Even though several teams dropped. The first 2 teams we were set to play dropped out. So they had to redo the schedule. His team is going. I literally just broke down in my barn tonight after riding and I dont even know why! Lol! I hate seeing my kids disappointed. But I know deep inside this was the right thing to do. This whole thing is making me nuts!! Our grocery stores shelves are almost empty and people are in full panic mode now, even our tiny dollar general is picked clean. My husband and I plan to go try to get a few groceries early in the morning.. I hope it's not a nightmare. I just need a few things. It may not even be worth it
whenever you feel bad,sad or down,just read the bottom of your posts,you have a son that is #jacobstrong,a stage 4 CANCER SURVIVOR,you are so blessed,there is NOTHING WRONG WITH KEEPING HIM SAFE;)
I just feel so bad keeping him from playing. I totally thought they would have canceled this tournament by now. They are going forward with it. Even though several teams dropped. The first 2 teams we were set to play dropped out. So they had to redo the schedule. His team is going. I literally just broke down in my barn tonight after riding and I dont even know why! Lol! I hate seeing my kids disappointed. But I know deep inside this was the right thing to do. This whole thing is making me nuts!! Our grocery stores shelves are almost empty and people are in full panic mode now, even our tiny dollar general is picked clean. My husband and I plan to go try to get a few groceries early in the morning.. I hope it's not a nightmare. I just need a few things. It may not even be worth it
whenever you feel bad,sad or down,just read the bottom of your posts,you have a son that is #jacobstrong,a stage 4 CANCER SURVIVOR,you are so blessed,there is NOTHING WRONG WITH KEEPING HIM SAFE;)
You are so right! He seems to have moved on, his little brother was sad he couldn't go play too, his 8u team is still going but I've gotten several messages from coaches and parents from both teams saying they would do the same and not to worry about a thing. Family first. Jacob's coaches called us first asking us if Jacob should sit this one out, we were planning on going until I talked to his oncology drs. They didnt tell me he couldn't go but we needed to make our decision off of him being high risk. That was it. I know it will be different after this weekend is over.. they wont have another tournament scheduled for 2 weeks so fingers crossed this will be somewhat calmed down by then
Just received word from coaches the entire tournament has been canceled.... that makes me feel so much better. They are talking about holding off practices for a few weeks now. Wow!
Posted 2020-03-14 9:09 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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I just feel so bad keeping him from playing. I totally thought they would have canceled this tournament by now. They are going forward with it. Even though several teams dropped. The first 2 teams we were set to play dropped out. So they had to redo the schedule. His team is going. I literally just broke down in my barn tonight after riding and I dont even know why! Lol! I hate seeing my kids disappointed. But I know deep inside this was the right thing to do. This whole thing is making me nuts!! Our grocery stores shelves are almost empty and people are in full panic mode now, even our tiny dollar general is picked clean. My husband and I plan to go try to get a few groceries early in the morning.. I hope it's not a nightmare. I just need a few things. It may not even be worth it
whenever you feel bad,sad or down,just read the bottom of your posts,you have a son that is #jacobstrong,a stage 4 CANCER SURVIVOR,you are so blessed,there is NOTHING WRONG WITH KEEPING HIM SAFE;)
You are so right! He seems to have moved on, his little brother was sad he couldn't go play too, his 8u team is still going but I've gotten several messages from coaches and parents from both teams saying they would do the same and not to worry about a thing. Family first. Jacob's coaches called us first asking us if Jacob should sit this one out, we were planning on going until I talked to his oncology drs. They didnt tell me he couldn't go but we needed to make our decision off of him being high risk. That was it. I know it will be different after this weekend is over.. they wont have another tournament scheduled for 2 weeks so fingers crossed this will be somewhat calmed down by then
YOU are the example of a GREAT "Mom" ....... your child is your first and foremost priority! It was a difficult decision but you always do what is best for your family.....and (I just read) that the others have come to their senses and cancelled the tournament .... as they always say .... This, too, shall pass!
I have read a couple articles that say Italian doctors are finding that patients who have covid and took ibuprofen fared much worse than the ones who didn't use ibuprofen. These patients were ones that were also on ace- inhibitors. Just thought that might be something to think about.
6am this morning the head of our organization made the decision to pull the 8u team out of the tournament in another town. I'm so glad he did. But the backlash he received from angry parents was sad. Saying it wasnt his call.. it most certainly was. These same people were lifting me up and saying I did the right thing when I pulled my son. I got in on that group chat and defended our head coach and told these people to calm down, there will be dozens of other tournaments coming our way.
Posted 2020-03-15 11:01 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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My cousin lives in France and she told us that EVERYTHING is shut down . Only thing opened is a few grocery stores and hospitals. They are telling citizens to stay home.
Posted 2020-03-15 11:21 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Andy {Husband} went to HEB this sunday morning like he does every sunday after church to pick up a few things to cook over the week, well he got there and there was a line of people waiting to go in, strange never seen this befor at HEB a line of people, so he gets up there and theres employee's of HEB telling people to slow down walk slow and theres a limited on certain things you can get, Hummm now they have employee's at both doors telling the shoppers how to shop, how fast and how much they can buy. And the stores hours are from 8 in the morning till 8 in the evening now. So he left and went to Wal-Mart no waiting in line there, got in and out with no problems, the cleaning supplys shelves were pretty empty and all milk, water was gone. been really calm around here for the last couple of weeks and now people are starting to panic.. Some Crazy stuff
Libraries are closed, the zoo's, they are screening people before letting them into hospitals, I get that... schools are closed. Baseball games have been suspended until further notice as well as practices. We are staying home as much as possible. Kids can practice here with their baseball... we spent yesterday afternoon planting our garden and doing yard work! Hopefully we will get a bountiful veggie garden this year .. last year was a wash ... got way too much rain too fast and it drowned our plants. We did a few more pots this year on the porch so I can move them inside if needed. Trying to keep the kiddos busy and occupied. Schools are closed for an additional 2 weeks.. I pretty much follow along with the school schedule for homeschooling, but I think I'm going to start them back up on our schooling next week to keep the momentum going!
our govenor said today he would not be surprised if our schools are closed for the remainder of the school year.Our grocery store is out of alot of stuff,including toilet paper,all sporting events closed,im gonna miss NASCAR,i will admit,lol.Its cold here,so outside isnt happening yet,my grandson needs me,so hes spending a couple nights here:)Cleveland clinic is doing parking drive thru testing.
All of our stores are out of ground beef. I have a bunch of ground deer and steaks in my deep freeze but was limited on my ground beef. We have a few large briskets and hubby is grinding them up to make our own ground beef! We had to run to a store to get freezer bags for the food saver ... sports and outdoor store .. all the ammo was bought out ....
Also, note that the states with the highest confirmed cases are on the borders .....Washington(457); California(225) and New York (325). These are only cases reported. There could be many more that had so mild of symptoms that they didn't get tested ....but they CAN spread the disease. I would rather be safe than sorry .....
our govenor has said all bars and restaraunts are to close at 9pm until further notice,if they have drive thrus they are allowed to use them,and delivery is allowed as well.
If this coronavirus was BS/hype I dont think our government would have taken this as far as they have gone as in shutting down events and getting business's to have shorter hours. I dont think the government want business's to loose money, they want to stop this coronavirus spread to save lives.
We need to try to stop the spread. I'm actually ok with them canceling events and limiting hours of stores. We need to be proactive not reactive. My daughter just left with her father to go to a week long motorcycle race. I'm extremely unhappy about it and they both know it. I had her pack enough to stay at her fathers house for 2 more weeks after they get back. They think I'm being overly dramatic but thats the only was she could go. She has to stay at his place for at least 2 weeks before coming home. I told him he was reckless and foolish for taking her and telling her she could go. I hope and pray I'm being over dramatic, thatd be the best case scenario in my opinion..... I'm not fearful of the virus itself, I fear people.... its proven, look at our stores... emptied out, no one cares about others... there was no need to hoard, but now there is because if you dont, you will be without. Ammo flying off the shelves...having to wait in line to get into a grocery store and being told you can only buy 2 or 1 of this and that ... I dont know about ya'll, but I dont like that one bit... let's not be the type of people that need to be limited on purchases of basic necessities... its embarrassing.
The country is having to deal with this in a vacuum. There is absolutely no leadership coming from the white house.
The so called president is just letting Faux News be his mouthpiece. Or Dan Bonggong. Either way, no leadership. Of course this is the "art of the deal" guy. Which means just file bankruptcy and hope it all goes away. Is that his plan?
Do you guys wonder with how far the quarantine and shut down of everything has gone country wide that there is more to this virus, as far as severity of it, then we are being lead to believe??? I understand social distancing but the enormity of this and what is happening nationally is Scary! I'm a dental hygienist and we use universal precautions on every patient we see long before this but I'm honestly worried myself just because everything is shutting down. Seeing that happen has me more on edge because it's like the world is ending. We haven't decided to shut our office just screen patients before they come in.
The country is having to deal with this in a vacuum. There is absolutely no leadership coming from the white house.
The so called president is just letting Faux News be his mouthpiece. Or Dan Bonggong. Either way, no leadership. Of course this is the "art of the deal" guy. Which means just file bankruptcy and hope it all goes away. Is that his plan?
i disagree.I think they are doing what they need to be doing.Im seriously wondering,what do you expect to have them do for you??Pelosi and her team thanked the president for working WITH them on this,What would you like to see?Im asking seriously,not being sarcastic,or belittling
I hate to jump in her but I just have to. I have read this crazy board a long time, back when you all hated the Dixie Chicks and you could never discuss Bush or the war. Then Obama came along and I watched most of you trash and call him names daily. Seems to me the respect the president went out the window for 8 years. Yet you all jump on the Trump Train and respect this guy.
I will answer the question. A sensible president wouldn't have dismantled Obama's pandemic team and then lied about it on TV. He said it wasn't needed and he had the ability to put the best people in quickly if necessary. Now the wonderful Senator from Ohio wrote him a letter 2 years ago and told him it was wrong. You can read it below. He also called the PBS reporter a female NASTY for asking the question. Appears we learned nothing from the flu. How is putting those best people in working?
I am also amazed I read that we haven't made penicillin in the US since 2004 and 95% of our drugs come from China. I really don't think accusing them of planting it seems smart, even if they did. Face it if the wanted to get us drugs would be the way to go. We advertise them on TV, to cure everything.
The fact that no one on this board is talking and discussing this says volumes to me. I am also amazed that the President is using this to cut interest rates it won't help anyone with stuff already financed. However it will allow other countries to take advantage of that rate and buy up more of the farms in the USA.
I have many thoughts on this but I'm sure my typos and grammar will be a much better subject, since I don't agree with the rest of you. I spend a lot of time trying to imagine.......... What if Obama did that? Think about some of the things he has done and said.
Prayers we all get through this and come out a little smarter. I guess I'm one of those Nasty women cause I don't agree with much he does at all.
What exactly is Trump supposed to be doing right now? He got a test done and was negative for coronavirus, I'm actually surprised he hasn't been accused of having a vaccine for it yet.. People are being told to stay calm and quit panic shopping, stay home, avoid social situations.... people don't listen .... what else can they do??? Before long it will be martial law in place if we arent careful, looting will start and the real crap will hit the fan....
I think his job is to reassure the people that someone is in charge. IMO his press conferences and I have watched them all he has spent more time congratulating his private companies and patting himself on the back. I personally could care less if he took the test or not. I have also followed his Twitter page, which is hilarious if you read the comments. Law makers like the Ohio Senator and IL mayor are actually trying to get his atttention on there, since he won't take there calls. I also checked out Obama's Twitter (don't tweet but you can read on computer) much better information and more Presidential.
You asked and I answered, this board has been slow and boring. I'm staying home. I do think you made the right call with Jacob, so glad he's doing good.
I also don't understand the hate for the press, I wish some of you could explain that to me? Yes there is bias.... on both sides. I like to read everything and make up my own mind.
ETA: For the lady in Arkansas who think it's made up better check some other websites one I checked said 16.
It has also touched our area a guy who went to a high school sectional game, he's been silghtly sick for 2 weeks, just got tested and he been all over casinos and really busy before he got checked out. I guess he thought it was nothing to worry about, because he wasn't told. That pandemic team could have warned us it was there job. JMO
If you'll notice, the epicenters for the start of the virus in the US are sanctuary cities and sanctuary states. We have the Democrats to thank for diseases that walk across our border unwelcome and illegal so don't knock Trump for anything until you can figure out a way to justif that. Also remember the H1N1 that killed thousands of Americans in 2009 while Obama was blithering about waterboarding, holding concerts and Hollywood parties at the White House (compliments of the taxpayers) and scheduling one vacation after another.
If you'll notice, the epicenters for the start of the virus in the US are sanctuary cities and sanctuary states. We have the Democrats to thank for diseases that walk across our border unwelcome and illegal so don't knock Trump for anything until you can figure out a way to justif that. Also remember the H1N1 that killed thousands of Americans in 2009 while Obama was blithering about waterboarding, holding concerts and Hollywood parties at the White House (compliments of the taxpayers) and scheduling one vacation after another.
I can't seem to post links but a quick Google search with give you many very good sources to say that is not true. I know facebook posts crap like that all the time, I wish people would check sources.
ETA: If you look at the map the epicenter is really a lot of airports. I don't think what is going on now is going to help that. I also read an article about how China feels about us and the way we treat our poor. Since you mentioned the sanctuary cities, they may be right that the rich want to blame it all on the poor people.
I think his job is to reassure the people that someone is in charge. IMO his press conferences and I have watched them all he has spent more time congratulating his private companies and patting himself on the back. I personally could care less if he took the test or not. I have also followed his Twitter page, which is hilarious if you read the comments. Law makers like the Ohio Senator and IL mayor are actually trying to get his atttention on there, since he won't take there calls. I also checked out Obama's Twitter (don't tweet but you can read on computer) much better information and more Presidential.
You asked and I answered, this board has been slow and boring. I'm staying home. I do think you made the right call with Jacob, so glad he's doing good.
I also don't understand the hate for the press, I wish some of you could explain that to me? Yes there is bias.... on both sides. I like to read everything and make up my own mind.
ETA: For the lady in Arkansas who think it's made up better check some other websites one I checked said 16.
It has also touched our area a guy who went to a high school sectional game, he's been silghtly sick for 2 weeks, just got tested and he been all over casinos and really busy before he got checked out. I guess he thought it was nothing to worry about, because he wasn't told. That pandemic team could have warned us it was there job. JMO
How would the pandemic team have helped us concerning the man who went to casinos, etc? I'm asking this seriously.
As far as staying home, I'm not planning on going to large gatherings, etc; however, I'm an accountant, it's tax season, and as far as I know, the IRS hasn't listed this virus as a reason for being late filing. . . . I'm washing my hands quite often throughout the day, and I'm sanitizing my hands also. But I can't just "stay home".
I think his job is to reassure the people that someone is in charge. IMO his press conferences and I have watched them all he has spent more time congratulating his private companies and patting himself on the back. I personally could care less if he took the test or not. I have also followed his Twitter page, which is hilarious if you read the comments. Law makers like the Ohio Senator and IL mayor are actually trying to get his atttention on there, since he won't take there calls. I also checked out Obama's Twitter (don't tweet but you can read on computer) much better information and more Presidential.
You asked and I answered, this board has been slow and boring. I'm staying home. I do think you made the right call with Jacob, so glad he's doing good.
I also don't understand the hate for the press, I wish some of you could explain that to me? Yes there is bias.... on both sides. I like to read everything and make up my own mind.
ETA: For the lady in Arkansas who think it's made up better check some other websites one I checked said 16.
It has also touched our area a guy who went to a high school sectional game, he's been silghtly sick for 2 weeks, just got tested and he been all over casinos and really busy before he got checked out. I guess he thought it was nothing to worry about, because he wasn't told. That pandemic team could have warned us it was there job. JMO
How would the pandemic team have helped us concerning the man who went to casinos, etc? I'm asking this seriously.
As far as staying home, I'm not planning on going to large gatherings, etc; however, I'm an accountant, it's tax season, and as far as I know, the IRS hasn't listed this virus as a reason for being late filing. . . . I'm washing my hands quite often throughout the day, and I'm sanitizing my hands also. But I can't just "stay home".
Since China discovered it in December, it would have been the pandemic teams job to monitor and keep the President informed. I didn't mean it would have helped in our area I was speaking for the country as a whole. I believe he called it fake news on March 5, and was holding rallies on the 4th. Some of his tweets seem gone about how it would all blow over. He also fired all the people (one was a Cheif of Staff) who were pandemic experts and didn't replace them with qualified people. Rex Tillerson was right.
He also suggested in tweets help for the cruise & hotel industry. I understand the hotels (wink wink) but the cruise industry shocks me. I have read that a lot of cruise companies base them out of foreign countries to avoid US taxes or pay no taxes at all. Now I'm not a cruise person but I think they should pay taxes like the rest of us. I bet they tax your cruise and send the US coast guard if they need help. That is one reason I would never cruise.
I hope you all follow the money. That free market you all talk about is only free if you can afford it. JMO
Posted 2020-03-16 12:29 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Nicknameless
Posts: 4565 Location: I can see the end of the world from here!
Been awhile since I've been on here...I came on to see if anyone was talking about the NFR Flu that many of us went home with. Sore throat, sudden high fever, dry cough...same symptoms as this virus. Then, after reading the posts I saw where Polopony (?) was trashing Trump & calling him a liar while stating:
"I think his job is to reassure the people that someone is in charge." Just had to laugh...can't have it both ways.
Posted 2020-03-16 12:46 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Posts: 4847 Location: Opelousas, LA
Palopony - 2020-03-15 9:52 PM
Frodo - 2020-03-15 10:37 PM
If you'll notice, the epicenters for the start of the virus in the US are sanctuary cities and sanctuary states. We have the Democrats to thank for diseases that walk across our border unwelcome and illegal so don't knock Trump for anything until you can figure out a way to justif that. Also remember the H1N1 that killed thousands of Americans in 2009 while Obama was blithering about waterboarding, holding concerts and Hollywood parties at the White House (compliments of the taxpayers) and scheduling one vacation after another.
I can't seem to post links but a quick Google search with give you many very good sources to say that is not true. I know facebook posts crap like that all the time, I wish people would check sources.
ETA: If you look at the map the epicenter is really a lot of airports. I don't think what is going on now is going to help that. I also read an article about how China feels about us and the way we treat our poor. Since you mentioned the sanctuary cities, they may be right that the rich want to blame it all on the poor people.
Are you saying that we should care about what China thinks? Do you know that if it weren't for Chinas coverup operation, Italy and Iran would be in much better shape right now? They hid this from the rest of the world, punished those who spoke out about it and now they are blaming the virus on the US. Do you really think Chinas poor are so much better off than the poor in America?
Do you also realize that half our government was still trying to impeach Trump when all this started then criticized him for the travel retrictions? Pelosi trying to sneak thru abortion funding was a nice touch also.
I really love Hillarys tweets, the queen of corruption that sat on her hands while our embassy in Benghazi requested extra security over and over, then lied about it, is now preaching from the cheap seats about how Trump should "give a ****". Whatever missteps are being made by the current administration, and I really don't think there are many, I am thankful Hillary is not our leader right now.
Posted 2020-03-16 8:48 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794 Location: Kansas
musikmaker - 2020-03-16 12:29 AM
Been awhile since I've been on here...I came on to see if anyone was talking about the NFR Flu that many of us went home with. Sore throat, sudden high fever, dry cough...same symptoms as this virus. Then, after reading the posts I saw where Polopony (?) was trashing Trump & calling him a liar while stating:
"I think his job is to reassure the people that someone is in charge." Just had to laugh...can't have it both ways.
Blessings to all and 'good health'!
If you want to experience a real "downer" just watch CNN and MSNBC for a couple of seconds. It would be like this virus was manufactured in Trump Tower.
Posted 2020-03-16 8:51 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794 Location: Kansas
Palopony - 2020-03-15 9:52 PM
Frodo - 2020-03-15 10:37 PM
If you'll notice, the epicenters for the start of the virus in the US are sanctuary cities and sanctuary states. We have the Democrats to thank for diseases that walk across our border unwelcome and illegal so don't knock Trump for anything until you can figure out a way to justif that. Also remember the H1N1 that killed thousands of Americans in 2009 while Obama was blithering about waterboarding, holding concerts and Hollywood parties at the White House (compliments of the taxpayers) and scheduling one vacation after another.
I can't seem to post links but a quick Google search with give you many very good sources to say that is not true. I know facebook posts crap like that all the time, I wish people would check sources.
ETA: If you look at the map the epicenter is really a lot of airports. I don't think what is going on now is going to help that. I also read an article about how China feels about us and the way we treat our poor. Since you mentioned the sanctuary cities, they may be right that the rich want to blame it all on the poor people.
You have only to look at a map to see where the virus evolved from the onset......California, New York, Washington. Seattle is proudly a sanctuary city and this is where so many elderly passed away in a nursing home facility. Kirkland, a suburb of Seattle.
Also realizing that Google is a very liberal site if you're going there for information.
Posted 2020-03-16 10:39 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Expert
Posts: 1516 Location: Illinois
If anyone wants a laugh today, IL has decided fishing is a threat to the health of our citizens, so no fishing until further notice. Unless you're on your own private lake. But you can still go to Walmart and hang out with the 300 other people there buying all the food up
Posted 2020-03-16 10:56 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Warrior Mom
Posts: 4400
Ok sorry if this is TMI for the menfolk but I was running low on monthly lady necessity products... thinking I'd order off my Amazon prime account to avoid people-ing, my usual pretty basic and widely available product is not available... completely sold out on Amazon.... I was shocked.... hopefully I can go to my local dollar general and maybe get some. Never in a million years would I think Amazon would be out of something like that.
On another note, my brother, who lives in California, hes a mortgage broker, people are refinancing like crazy right now... he also said he booked a trip to Hawaii for $198 round trip airline tickets lol! He is going around living life not worried about a thing ... I envy him. All his kids are grown and moved on, he laughs at all this craziness.
Posted 2020-03-16 11:12 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Posts: 1516 Location: Illinois
want2chase3 - 2020-03-16 10:56 AM
Ok sorry if this is TMI for the menfolk but I was running low on monthly lady necessity products... thinking I'd order off my Amazon prime account to avoid people-ing, my usual pretty basic and widely available product is not available... completely sold out on Amazon.... I was shocked.... hopefully I can go to my local dollar general and maybe get some. Never in a million years would I think Amazon would be out of something like that.
On another note, my brother, who lives in California, hes a mortgage broker, people are refinancing like crazy right now... he also said he booked a trip to Hawaii for $198 round trip airline tickets lol! He is going around living life not worried about a thing ... I envy him. All his kids are grown and moved on, he laughs at all this craziness.
I have to go to CVS today, I'll check for the feminine products since I am low on that just in case. However I will only buy 1 package like I always do. I can't believe the things people are buying up in their panic. Our grocery store was emotied of all perishables (produce, meat, cheese, dairy) and most of the canned goods, however the frozen section was entirely untouced except for pizzas. Magazines in the checkouts were gone. If I was planning on being quaratined I'd be heading for the frozen section myself. I think all the shutdowns of restaurants & bars are crossing the line, if people want to go out thats on them. Its ok to go to walmart or go get your hair done at a salon, but sitting in a boat by yourself is considered a threat? Downtown is booming today with people at the bars celebrating St Pattys day before the bars are required to close at 9 tonight. The number of small businesses that are going to go under, the people who are going to lose their cars & homes, the single paycheck to paycheck parents that won't be able to feed their kids...this is all going to be far more damaging to anyone than the actual virus is
Posted 2020-03-16 11:25 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Warrior Mom
Posts: 4400
The thing that gets me, we live in a pretty small town, people from the large cities are coming to our towns and shopping and buying up everything they can... the store manager told us this at our local grocery store.. they were completely sold out of all meat. and bagged salads! Like those only last a few days before they get nasty! Bagged salad..... I'm just blown away. A tiny meat market right up the road from me is sold out too. They said people from Austin were coming and buying up all the ground meat, steaks and chicken. Us as locals are now being forced into the larger cities to get some basics now if we even can.
Posted 2020-03-16 11:55 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Posts: 1516 Location: Illinois
When I was shopping at close to 10pm friday night they were slowly coming from the back starting to restock things. Which is how I got most of what I needed like bread and milk. I didn't wait for the meats to get restocked as I have a chest freezer almost full. I bought a lot of frozen meals for lunches at work with the restaurants being closed right now. Even butter was gone. If you get to the stores first thing in the morning you can usually find what you need. They've been rationing TP in the back and set out a certain number every morning, so if you're quick you can get that. Idk about 24 hour stores though. It should calm down in the next few days as all the panic people will have what they need & will be in hiding, so the normal folks will be able to do normal shopping then. I board my horses & have a cooler & ice in the freezer for drinks and some frozen dinners and ramen in a box in case we get quarantined I'm living in the trailer at the barn lol. My horses will at least still get legged up for barrel races, we don't have a gathering limit yet except up in Chicago
Our local Hy-Vee is stocked full of everything including toilet paper...however they wanted 7 bucks for 4 rolls! Just came back from Clovis New Mexico and the Wal Mart was completely out of toilet paper, egg, milk, rice and beans but stocked full of fresh food. We went out to eat - I wanted to spend time with the boys since they are leaving for Mid East...and the restaurants were pretty bare. We are being very meticulous with washing hands and wiping down exposed areas but like everyone else have to lead a life!
The grocery stores have changed their hours to meet the restocking demands ... no longer 24 hours. People need to STOP! there are people lined up around the corner in the mornings when they open at 8am and they are only letting in a few at a time... I wonder how long thatll last before there is an uprising and police are needed. I'm honestly sick over this. I tried ordering my dog food from my beloved chewy .com and they are sold out and said delivery times are being affected because of the virus ... really?
We have a big Dillons and a smaller one. Us seniors like the smaller one because there's way less walking. I became aware Saturday, because you become familiar with so many people and the types, that outsiders were cleaning our shelves. I know they have a perfect right but it was still annoying.
The grocery stores have changed their hours to meet the restocking demands ... no longer 24 hours. People need to STOP! there are people lined up around the corner in the mornings when they open at 8am and they are only letting in a few at a time... I wonder how long thatll last before there is an uprising and police are needed. I'm honestly sick over this. I tried ordering my dog food from my beloved chewy .com and they are sold out and said delivery times are being affected because of the virus ... really?
I order my cat food from chewy and the brand I like is all sold out, oh well went to a different brand and got some extra so it will hold my two boys over untill all this mess gets over with, and yept its going to take a few extra days for it to get here, at least they give us customers a heads up about the late delivery
Has anyone here lost their job because of this virus? Or been sent home to wait it out with no pay?
Luckily IF I have to I can work from home. Right now I'm still in the office, I'm not letting coworkers in my office. Any paperwork they need to give me they can put in a bin on my door.
I don't deal with the public so that is nice, but I work with a group of men that aren't real great at washing their hands
I'm afraid this is going to have a huge lasting effect on the economy for a while. If this keeps going I think there will be a lot of closed down business, foreclosed houses, and repossessed vehicles.
Has anyone here lost their job because of this virus? Or been sent home to wait it out with no pay?
Luckily IF I have to I can work from home. Right now I'm still in the office, I'm not letting coworkers in my office. Any paperwork they need to give me they can put in a bin on my door.
I don't deal with the public so that is nice, but I work with a group of men that aren't real great at washing their hands
I'm afraid this is going to have a huge lasting effect on the economy for a while. If this keeps going I think there will be a lot of closed down business, foreclosed houses, and repossessed vehicles.
We're still going so far. But I keep thinking about all the people that will go under because of the shut downs. Our area is supposedly trying to come up with a food bank for those that are currently jobless, but I hope they can find food for it. Some of our employees live paycheck to paycheck, like myself, and one week of not working and no pay means I can't amke my house payment or buy feed. So hopefully we don't get shut down. But I pray for those that do and that the survive this. The bars should be doing well today since they all are doing St patricks day today instead of tomorrow when they're shut down. So hopefully people tip nicely and buy lots of alcohol to at least support those folks. Restaurants are allowed to do curbside carryout still so hopefully some small restaurants an still get some business that way. As for other types of jobs idk how they'll fare
Has anyone here lost their job because of this virus? Or been sent home to wait it out with no pay?
Luckily IF I have to I can work from home. Right now I'm still in the office, I'm not letting coworkers in my office. Any paperwork they need to give me they can put in a bin on my door.
I don't deal with the public so that is nice, but I work with a group of men that aren't real great at washing their hands
I'm afraid this is going to have a huge lasting effect on the economy for a while. If this keeps going I think there will be a lot of closed down business, foreclosed houses, and repossessed vehicles.
In the office, door closed, don't bug me unless absolutely necessary; which no one seems to be doing. People having been calling my office which is weird because if I were them- I'd be emailing assuming no one was in and instead remote working. Trying to get those people with kids who can't go to school set up remotely first. I quit my job before this all blew up and so my last day is April 3. GREAT TIME TO BE UNEMPLOYED. Not. I'm honestly not freaking out too much, just taking it day by day.
My tutoring job; still business as usually which I'm highly unimpressed about.
Has anyone here lost their job because of this virus? Or been sent home to wait it out with no pay?
Luckily IF I have to I can work from home. Right now I'm still in the office, I'm not letting coworkers in my office. Any paperwork they need to give me they can put in a bin on my door.
I don't deal with the public so that is nice, but I work with a group of men that aren't real great at washing their hands
I'm afraid this is going to have a huge lasting effect on the economy for a while. If this keeps going I think there will be a lot of closed down business, foreclosed houses, and repossessed vehicles.
Yup. My dental office closed today. For a week then re evaluate for next week. The ADA just notified us that they recommend 3 weeks closed with just emergency care offered. No pay here...
Has anyone here lost their job because of this virus? Or been sent home to wait it out with no pay?
Luckily IF I have to I can work from home. Right now I'm still in the office, I'm not letting coworkers in my office. Any paperwork they need to give me they can put in a bin on my door.
I don't deal with the public so that is nice, but I work with a group of men that aren't real great at washing their hands
I'm afraid this is going to have a huge lasting effect on the economy for a while. If this keeps going I think there will be a lot of closed down business, foreclosed houses, and repossessed vehicles.
Yup. My dental office closed today. For a week then re evaluate for next week. The ADA just notified us that they recommend 3 weeks closed with just emergency care offered. No pay here...
I'm a teacher and out minimum a month. Maybe more. I'm very thankful I get paid no matter what. I hope my dental office stays open for atleast another week lol
We had to go back to town today to shop for my mother in law. Im glad to say, there was more food on the shelves today than there was a few days ago. Still a bunch gone but it looked better... theres hope lol!!
My cousin that lives in France just posted on her Facebook that residents are now prohibited from leaving their homes for 15 days unless it's an emergency....
Here are some facts for people who are saying this is just like the flu... It's not. I copied this from a dental hygiene page I belong to. It's a great read explaining why it's a threat and why it's such a different cat. Last Monday I was taken back by a lady that wouldn't shake my hand... By Friday my Outlook was changing as new information unfolded. Today my office was shut down for a week for protection and longer if needed. Let's say my veiw of the seriousness of this has changed largely. It's not just hype. I only respect articles that are lead by science not the Media...
Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...
It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.
Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.
Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.
Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..
H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.
Fast forward.
Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”
This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.
And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..
That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.
We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.
Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...
And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.
Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not sexy right now.
#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on.
I just found this little tidbit .... I'm concerned about this virus and do not want it in my home but I'm still more concerned with the public than anything!
Posted 2020-03-17 7:01 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794 Location: Kansas
Has anybody out there in BHW ever wondered if the opening of ancient tombs, a favorite pastime for archaeologists, couldn't be releasing diseases to both animals and humans. They've found bags of grain that will still grow if planted, so why not the germs from the bodies of folks who may have died thousands of years ago from the diseases plagueing us today.
Posted 2020-03-17 9:27 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Posts: 1516 Location: Illinois
want2chase3 - 2020-03-16 11:04 PM
I just found this little tidbit .... I'm concerned about this virus and do not want it in my home but I'm still more concerned with the public than anything!
I'm trying to stay out of stores & stuff as much as I can, but because I don't want to freak people out. I sniffle and sneeze and am congested 365 days a year becuase I'm incredibly allergic to all types of hay. It just my life now & as long as I have horses. But people are going to think I'm sick. But also might keep people to keep their diatance if I do go out. Practice a little sniffling and people will move their 6 feet away lol
Posted 2020-03-17 9:35 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Warrior Mom
Posts: 4400
I'm just absolutely upset and beside myself this morning ... after talking to my daughter last night, she went on with her father, against my wishes to Dallas to a large motorcycle race with well over 1000 people present for a week long race. She is 15... I told her to please take this threat seriously and try to keep your distance, wash your hands and use hand sanitizer if your dad has it. She blew me off, laughed... told me to quit buying into the hype. Sounds like her idiot father talking. I told her there is most likely going to be a lockdown she says they cant make you stay home mom relax.... what?! I feel like I have failed her as a parent shes so careless right now. I said I had hoped her father stocked up on groceries at his home because when they get back next week we dont know what's going to be going on. She laughed at me and smart butt said she would just stay there longer because I'm losing it over this "crap". I'm just sad shes buying into her dads view. I cannot believe they are still doing this race. He went to play photographer and said he needed the money ... I couldn't care less had he gone but he needed to back me up and tell her she needed to stay home . I'm angry, sad and disappointed. Shes not coming home for at least 2 weeks after they return but now it may be longer .... I told her I wasnt panicking I'm trying to prepare and she needed to remember we have a high risk living here under our roof. We are taking this seriously. My brother in California was laughing at all this last week, he finally had to go to the store, hes not laughing anymore ... it finally hit him ... it's real. He took video inside his local store and it was completely empty. My husband is a truck driver and is having difficulty making deliveries to his normal stores because they are not letting drivers in until later to make room for food deliveries.... he delivers batteries, Sam's club and Walmart is a major customer. Napa is talking about closing down for a few weeks ... if that happens my husband will be home, not working. This effects EVERYONE in one way or another....I'm all about going into a lockdown so we can slow or stop the spread of this... the sooner the better .. so we can get back to normal everyday life!
Posted 2020-03-17 11:11 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas
WetSaddleBlankets - 2020-03-16 10:42 PM
Here are some facts for people who are saying this is just like the flu... It's not. I copied this from a dental hygiene page I belong to. It's a great read explaining why it's a threat and why it's such a different cat. Last Monday I was taken back by a lady that wouldn't shake my hand... By Friday my Outlook was changing as new information unfolded. Today my office was shut down for a week for protection and longer if needed. Let's say my veiw of the seriousness of this has changed largely. It's not just hype. I only respect articles that are lead by science not the Media...
Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...
It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.
Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.
Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.
Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..
H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.
Fast forward.
Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”
This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.
And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..
That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.
We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.
Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...
And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.
Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not sexy right now.
#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on.
Thank you for taking the time to post this, really opens your eyes to this coronavirus.
I went back to the store today for a few items. In just over 24 hours our local grocery store is almost sold out. It felt like the Twilight Zone there. I guess I should of bought toilet paper yesterday when I had the chance but it was 7 bucks for a small roll!
As my husband says... "Well, $-h!T the bed", Amazon is now suspending all orders unless its medical items or high demand items.... looks like my sons new catchers gear wont make it until April sometime.. no biggie anyway, we arent playing! I'm trying to figure out what else I ordered that wont be showing up lol! I had a few items on autoship from platinum performance... I hadn't heard anything about them yet. I'm making one more run to town this evening for my in laws and us.. then I'm done. I'm staying home until this all blows over, whenever that will be... I'm hunkering down
Oh, my daughter text me, they shut down the race and are sending everyone home! Hallelujah!
Well thats good, I thought it was kinda odd that this large event was still on after all the other big event's were being cancelled. Its just better safe then sorry later.
So, pretty sure all the kids in town were outside wandering the neighborhoods & playing when I went to lunch today. My mom said the kids next door currently have between 20-30 of them gathered riding 4 wheelers, dirt bikes, & playing games. So I suppose taking them out of school was a moot point & they're really just enjoying a long spring break. As far as restaurants go, you can't sit and eat but you can go in and grab carry out. So like Jimmy Johns, Pizza places, things like that you can go in and pick up your food. Or like Jimmy Johns you can go in & order & wait while they make & then take it home. Not really sure how thats all that much effective, when everyones already touched the doors and counters at that point. There's still 150 people at walmart at one time. Seems like people are jsut out & about more than they were before, so at what point does this "social distancing" start to work lol
Would anyone trade me a bag of popcorn for a role of toilet paper? I can't find a bag of popcorn anywhere in Kansas City!
I got the last box of Orville's naturals popcorn yesterday. I was so glad to find it. I love my popcorn. I have a stash of the mini bags in my desk. I can send you some if you're desperate
So, pretty sure all the kids in town were outside wandering the neighborhoods & playing when I went to lunch today. My mom said the kids next door currently have between 20-30 of them gathered riding 4 wheelers, dirt bikes, & playing games. So I suppose taking them out of school was a moot point & they're really just enjoying a long spring break. As far as restaurants go, you can't sit and eat but you can go in and grab carry out. So like Jimmy Johns, Pizza places, things like that you can go in and pick up your food. Or like Jimmy Johns you can go in & order & wait while they make & then take it home. Not really sure how thats all that much effective, when everyones already touched the doors and counters at that point. There's still 150 people at walmart at one time. Seems like people are jsut out & about more than they were before, so at what point does this "social distancing" start to work lol
Texas Roadhouse shut down today for anything but carryout. Trying to figure out how cold everything would be after a 20 minute drive.
So, pretty sure all the kids in town were outside wandering the neighborhoods & playing when I went to lunch today. My mom said the kids next door currently have between 20-30 of them gathered riding 4 wheelers, dirt bikes, & playing games. So I suppose taking them out of school was a moot point & they're really just enjoying a long spring break. As far as restaurants go, you can't sit and eat but you can go in and grab carry out. So like Jimmy Johns, Pizza places, things like that you can go in and pick up your food. Or like Jimmy Johns you can go in & order & wait while they make & then take it home. Not really sure how thats all that much effective, when everyones already touched the doors and counters at that point. There's still 150 people at walmart at one time. Seems like people are jsut out & about more than they were before, so at what point does this "social distancing" start to work lol
Texas Roadhouse shut down today for anything but carryout. Trying to figure out how cold everything would be after a 20 minute drive.
I only go for the rolls and they are just the same reheated lol. I'm hoping a lot of the small restaurants can figure out how to offer a curbside or carryout. Because here in IL you can still walk in and get your food, you're not banned from entering the building. That would help some of them out and at least keep a few people employed for some hours.
I'm taking this time to eat the foods I have at home that I've had in the freezer for forever. I inadvertently prepared for this as whenever certain frozen veggies or fruits are on sale I buy 2 bags, etc. I cook for 1 so I have meals frozen. Asked my mom for a trip to costco for christmas and my birthday last month where she lets me fill a cart with whatever. Toilet paper and paper towels are always my first go-to, just because I'm always broke lol. So I somehow managed tos tock myself for this without trying or knowing it was coming. I'm just annoyed that our Subway won't let you walk in and order like Jimmy Johns down the street. I go to Subway every tuesday and when I walk in the door my sandwich is already in the toaster bc he saw me pull in. I just want my normal subway, like it would have been nice to be able to keep one normal thing. Especially since I'm payroll/accounts payable/hr at my job so I'm doing all my normal stuff plus coming up with our various plans of actions & getting people set up for home working. That subway is like my cigarette break. I was hoping my barn would shut the lesson program down and I could have the arena to myself, but they're going unless they're mandated to shut down too
My hubby went to HEB since there was no line when he got in from work... but there was also bare shelves. He was able to get 2 gallons of milk.. there are zero canned goods. He went over to Sam's club ... same scenario there. He was able to get a case of water but he said there was police officers standing in front of the water monitoring everyone..... here we go.... I'm done with trying to get stuff... we should have enough to last at least a few weeks in pantry and freezer... if not I'll go early in the morning and stand in line with all the others .. they let 20 in at a time in the mornings
I just ran to Smith's (Kroger) to pick up cat food. I ran in for a drink and they had milk & eggs so I grabbed 3 gallons of milk and an 18 pack of eggs.
Still no TP, paper towels, or hand sanitizer. They had milano cookies and shrimp cocktail so I grabbed some of those. . . I'd be one to gain 100 pounds if I was quarantined. . .
I just ran to Smith's (Kroger) to pick up cat food. I ran in for a drink and they had milk & eggs so I grabbed 3 gallons of milk and an 18 pack of eggs.
Still no TP, paper towels, or hand sanitizer. They had milano cookies and shrimp cocktail so I grabbed some of those. . . I'd be one to gain 100 pounds if I was quarantined. . .
Ironically, I was geared up to start this fun little 3 day detox this week but since the stores are out of pretty much everything, I've had to postpone that lol! At Sam's my husband grabbed the last 8pk of velveeta shells & cheese box and a 15 pack of trident cinnamon gum (my favorite) .... oh and a 12 ok of canned green beans baby!! Mac n cheese and green beans it is! I hope the day we get to look back on this and shake our heads is near
Has anybody out there in BHW ever wondered if the opening of ancient tombs, a favorite pastime for archaeologists, couldn't be releasing diseases to both animals and humans. They've found bags of grain that will still grow if planted, so why not the germs from the bodies of folks who may have died thousands of years ago from the diseases plagueing us today.
Thanks, Frodo. Now I'm going to have nightmares. But instead of those freaky flesh eating beetle things on "The Mummy" it'll be disease I'll be dreaming about.
Not sure which is scarier. Ancient, unknown diseases, or flesh eating beetles.
to me and i am just a grey old lady but the numbers do not add up this is from cdc how many billion people in the world
and this is it
Cases of the new coronavirus, COVID-19, have soared past 169,000, including more than 6,500 deaths, across 148 countries, while more than 77,000 people have recovered, according to a map of the latest figures from Johns Hopkins University. The outbreak continues in the U.S., where President Donald Trump declared a state of national emergency and the total cases have risen to more than 3,770. Several states have enforced stricter precautionary measures to combat the spread, including the closure of schools, restaurants and bars in various parts of the country. Similar measures have been expanded in Spain, France and Italy, where cases continue to spike, with Italy recording the highest surge in deaths within 24 hours, reporting nearly 398 new fatalities in the last day, BBC reports. There are nearly 81,000 infections in China, including at least 3,000 deaths. More than 55,000 in the country have also recovered from the virus. For the first time, the combined total number of infections outside China has surpassed those within, reaching more than 87,000, according to figures from Johns Hopkins University on Monday.
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Nearly 11,000 new cases have been reported across the globe, including first cases within at least seven African countries, as well as in Europe and the Americas region, in the past couple of days, according to the latest report by the World Health Organization (WHO). The graphic below, provided by Statista, illustrates the recovery curve compared to the infection curve of the virus.
to me and i am just a grey old lady but the numbers do not add up this is from cdc how many billion people in the world
and this is it
Cases of the new coronavirus, COVID-19, have soared past 169,000, including more than 6,500 deaths, across 148 countries, while more than 77,000 people have recovered, according to a map of the latest figures from Johns Hopkins University. The outbreak continues in the U.S., where President Donald Trump declared a state of national emergency and the total cases have risen to more than 3,770. Several states have enforced stricter precautionary measures to combat the spread, including the closure of schools, restaurants and bars in various parts of the country. Similar measures have been expanded in Spain, France and Italy, where cases continue to spike, with Italy recording the highest surge in deaths within 24 hours, reporting nearly 398 new fatalities in the last day, BBC reports. There are nearly 81,000 infections in China, including at least 3,000 deaths. More than 55,000 in the country have also recovered from the virus. For the first time, the combined total number of infections outside China has surpassed those within, reaching more than 87,000, according to figures from Johns Hopkins University on Monday.
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Nearly 11,000 new cases have been reported across the globe, including first cases within at least seven African countries, as well as in Europe and the Americas region, in the past couple of days, according to the latest report by the World Health Organization (WHO). The graphic below, provided by Statista, illustrates the recovery curve compared to the infection curve of the virus.
I've been thinking the exact same thing and wondering, like the topic Bear had earlier, if this isn't all part of a plot by China to unseat Trump with the liberal media chiming in and helping them all they can. Funny how it all came about just a few months before an election after a failed Russia hoax and a failed impeachment trial by angry Democrats.
Been awhile since I've been on here...I came on to see if anyone was talking about the NFR Flu that many of us went home with. Sore throat, sudden high fever, dry cough...same symptoms as this virus. Then, after reading the posts I saw where Polopony (?) was trashing Trump & calling him a liar while stating:
"I think his job is to reassure the people that someone is in charge." Just had to laugh...can't have it both ways.
Blessings to all and 'good health'!
Please tell me why you find my statement funny? I would expect that of any elected official. I must say I am impressed by some of the people at the state level. I really don't have a solution and I am as shocked as you all. However I'm a news hound (I read everything) and I spent the last 2 weeks in February horse camping in Florida with very little TV and internet. When I got home March 1, I went to reading to catch up, I have been glued to my computer ever since. When I first looked at the map it had one tiny red dot and lot of warnings from credible people. The fact that a lot of my friends and all of you on here thought it was a democratic hoax, just makes me a little crazy.
Also because Sam's delivers I looked at the instant savings book and stocked up since I cleaned out the cabinets before leaving. Fed Ex man hated me I order dog & cat food, not because I'm a prepper, just old and don't like to carry it. On the 12th I went to Sams for butter and Clorox wipes, you couldn't find them on the 12th. Thought I would order online they wouldn't even take online orders. I don't need anything I was just stocking up since I was gone. I honestly never thought it would get this crazy...... Clorox wipes were in the instant savings book and I didn't even order.
I did find my barn and horse trailer to be a handy sourse of necessities. I found 91% alcohol so old it could kill anything that and aloe vera I have hand sanitizer. My only advice to anyone is buy dial soap I have never taken anyone for surgery that they didn't tell you to wash with Dial soap first.
I will ask a question President Trump gave himself a 10 on his response to this. He is very modest. What score would you give him?
Please before you all attack me because I'm not a Trump fan, (I know that respect the office only works on Republicans) I don't really like any of them and think they are all too old. I didn't even like them when we had 16 to choose from. I can't believe America can't do better. I really don't understamd the all or nothing party lines, I come from mixed lines. JMO
Posted 2020-03-18 6:22 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Gettin Jiggy Wit It
Posts: 2734
Palopony - 2020-03-17 10:51 PM
musikmaker - 2020-03-16 1:29 AM
Been awhile since I've been on here...I came on to see if anyone was talking about the NFR Flu that many of us went home with. Sore throat, sudden high fever, dry cough...same symptoms as this virus. Then, after reading the posts I saw where Polopony (?) was trashing Trump & calling him a liar while stating:
"I think his job is to reassure the people that someone is in charge." Just had to laugh...can't have it both ways.
Blessings to all and 'good health'!
Please tell me why you find my statement funny? I would expect that of any elected official. I must say I am impressed by some of the people at the state level. I really don't have a solution and I am as shocked as you all. However I'm a news hound (I read everything) and I spent the last 2 weeks in February horse camping in Florida with very little TV and internet. When I got home March 1, I went to reading to catch up, I have been glued to my computer ever since. When I first looked at the map it had one tiny red dot and lot of warnings from credible people. The fact that a lot of my friends and all of you on here thought it was a democratic hoax, just makes me a little crazy.
Also because Sam's delivers I looked at the instant savings book and stocked up since I cleaned out the cabinets before leaving. Fed Ex man hated me I order dog & cat food, not because I'm a prepper, just old and don't like to carry it. On the 12th I went to Sams for butter and Clorox wipes, you couldn't find them on the 12th. Thought I would order online they wouldn't even take online orders. I don't need anything I was just stocking up since I was gone. I honestly never thought it would get this crazy...... Clorox wipes were in the instant savings book and I didn't even order.
I did find my barn and horse trailer to be a handy sourse of necessities. I found 91% alcohol so old it could kill anything that and aloe vera I have hand sanitizer. My only advice to anyone is buy dial soap I have never taken anyone for surgery that they didn't tell you to wash with Dial soap first.
I will ask a question President Trump gave himself a 10 on his response to this. He is very modest. What score would you give him?
Please before you all attack me because I'm not a Trump fan, (I know that respect the office only works on Republicans) I don't really like any of them and think they are all too old. I didn't even like them when we had 16 to choose from. I can't believe America can't do better. I really don't understamd the all or nothing party lines, I come from mixed lines. JMO
Today's Media is the one to blame for the general public thinking this is a hoax at first. They spread so much drama and biased liberal news over the last 4 years it made me turn off my TV and put away my newspaper. Nothing ever positive about our president or country. Then covid-19 pops up and we are supposed to believe the Media right away that cried wolf several times before??? It doesn't work that way. They basically had to gain a majority of the public's trust again. Creditability goes a long way... Like trust. Once it's broken it takes time and unfortunately the media caused mass hysteria because how could anyone actually believe the level of seriousness they were spewing at first??? They broke our trust awhile ago. Good job you Democrats!
Posted 2020-03-18 7:17 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Ms. Dr. Phil
Location: My happy place
You can blame the media all you want. I think if it wasn't for the media and local elected officials people would still be running around spreading it. Check out the new public record, which would be his twitter feed. March 4th he was holding rallies and telling people it was going to pass in a week. I'm sorry some of you should pay more attention. Good luck have have a great day.... just keep blaming everyone else. Considering for years you call the democrats sheep and hate the media. You just trust the government they always tell the truth. I guess the press in other countries are bias too.
Posted 2020-03-18 7:30 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Gettin Jiggy Wit It
Posts: 2734
Palopony - 2020-03-18 7:17 AM
You can blame the media all you want. I think if it wasn't for the media and local elected officials people would still be running around spreading it. Check out the new public record, which would be his twitter feed. March 4th he was holding rallies and telling people it was going to pass in a week. I'm sorry some of you should pay more attention. Good luck have have a great day.... just keep blaming everyone else. Considering for years you call the democrats sheep and hate the media. You just trust the government they always tell the truth. I guess the press in other countries are bias too.
Posted 2020-03-18 8:00 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Ms. Dr. Phil
Location: My happy place
WetSaddleBlankets - 2020-03-18 8:30 AM
Palopony - 2020-03-18 7:17 AM
You can blame the media all you want. I think if it wasn't for the media and local elected officials people would still be running around spreading it. Check out the new public record, which would be his twitter feed. March 4th he was holding rallies and telling people it was going to pass in a week. I'm sorry some of you should pay more attention. Good luck have have a great day.... just keep blaming everyone else. Considering for years you call the democrats sheep and hate the media. You just trust the government they always tell the truth. I guess the press in other countries are bias too.
You completely missed my whole point ??
I did not miss your point. I just don't agree with it and you can't seem to understand that, it's OK. How long to you think the people of Flint, MI would be drinking dirty water if not for the press? Just one example. Yes they are dramatic all fighting for viewers but you can pick and choose who and what to watch. You can also research. I have ran down so many crazy rabbit holes, I gave up reading fiction.
This turning on the press has always shocked me because I'm old and know the things they have uncovered that would have been swept under the rug. I must say I have never seen anything like this. I hope you all stay safe, be careful and have a great day.
Posted 2020-03-18 9:59 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Champ
Posts: 19623 Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm
I don't understand people. The dem party of today isn't JFK's party. They follow Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals". Lie a lot and lie often until the sheeple believe it. 90% of the corporate "press" doesn't report the truth. They are the propaganda arm of the lying dems. I can watch the president say something in real time and then watch how the press twists it. Cutting off the video at just the right time to make it sound like he said something he didn't say. Such as him saying the virus outbreak is a hoax. He didn't say that. He said the press's reporting on the virus outbreak was the hoax. Drama is what they are after. Scare the people.
Just like that, they blame him and mock him for saying something he didn't say.
Posted 2020-03-18 10:21 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Gettin Jiggy Wit It
Posts: 2734
Palopony - 2020-03-18 8:00 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2020-03-18 8:30 AM
Palopony - 2020-03-18 7:17 AM
You can blame the media all you want. I think if it wasn't for the media and local elected officials people would still be running around spreading it. Check out the new public record, which would be his twitter feed. March 4th he was holding rallies and telling people it was going to pass in a week. I'm sorry some of you should pay more attention. Good luck have have a great day.... just keep blaming everyone else. Considering for years you call the democrats sheep and hate the media. You just trust the government they always tell the truth. I guess the press in other countries are bias too.
You completely missed my whole point ??
I did not miss your point. I just don't agree with it and you can't seem to understand that, it's OK. How long to you think the people of Flint, MI would be drinking dirty water if not for the press? Just one example. Yes they are dramatic all fighting for viewers but you can pick and choose who and what to watch. You can also research. I have ran down so many crazy rabbit holes, I gave up reading fiction.
This turning on the press has always shocked me because I'm old and know the things they have uncovered that would have been swept under the rug. I must say I have never seen anything like this. I hope you all stay safe, be careful and have a great day.
Yes you did. I can't agree with what??? I never said I didn't. I'm in the front lines for contracting and spreading it. I'm a dental hygienist and my office was shut down for 2 weeks... With no pay!! Do you not think I know the severity of this disease???? My point was the past few years and the history of the Media left over half the population unsure of what to believe. Excuse most people for wanting valid sources of information not biased. Cry wolf once it makes it hard for people to believe you twice.... Until it's to late in the game.
Posted 2020-03-18 10:43 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Nicknameless
Posts: 4565 Location: I can see the end of the world from here!
Palopony - 2020-03-17 9:51 PM
musikmaker - 2020-03-16 1:29 AM
Been awhile since I've been on here...I came on to see if anyone was talking about the NFR Flu that many of us went home with. Sore throat, sudden high fever, dry cough...same symptoms as this virus. Then, after reading the posts I saw where Polopony (?) was trashing Trump & calling him a liar while stating:
"I think his job is to reassure the people that someone is in charge." Just had to laugh...can't have it both ways.
Blessings to all and 'good health'!
Please tell me why you find my statement funny? I would expect that of any elected official. I must say I am impressed by some of the people at the state level. I really don't have a solution and I am as shocked as you all. However I'm a news hound (I read everything) and I spent the last 2 weeks in February horse camping in Florida with very little TV and internet. When I got home March 1, I went to reading to catch up, I have been glued to my computer ever since. When I first looked at the map it had one tiny red dot and lot of warnings from credible people. The fact that a lot of my friends and all of you on here thought it was a democratic hoax, just makes me a little crazy.
Also because Sam's delivers I looked at the instant savings book and stocked up since I cleaned out the cabinets before leaving. Fed Ex man hated me I order dog & cat food, not because I'm a prepper, just old and don't like to carry it. On the 12th I went to Sams for butter and Clorox wipes, you couldn't find them on the 12th. Thought I would order online they wouldn't even take online orders. I don't need anything I was just stocking up since I was gone. I honestly never thought it would get this crazy...... Clorox wipes were in the instant savings book and I didn't even order.
I did find my barn and horse trailer to be a handy sourse of necessities. I found 91% alcohol so old it could kill anything that and aloe vera I have hand sanitizer. My only advice to anyone is buy dial soap I have never taken anyone for surgery that they didn't tell you to wash with Dial soap first.
I will ask a question President Trump gave himself a 10 on his response to this. He is very modest. What score would you give him?
Please before you all attack me because I'm not a Trump fan, (I know that respect the office only works on Republicans) I don't really like any of them and think they are all too old. I didn't even like them when we had 16 to choose from. I can't believe America can't do better. I really don't understamd the all or nothing party lines, I come from mixed lines. JMO
It simply struck me as funny and ironic that liberals constantly call Trump a liar then get upset that he doesn't lie to "reassure the people that someone is in charge".
If someone is in charge of this...off with their heads.
NOBODY has responded to the NFR FLu...did anyone here go to Vegas in December and get sick after? I know a LOT who did, including my family, and the symptoms were exactly like this coronavirus...I wonder?!
Posted 2020-03-18 10:46 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Miracle in the Making
Posts: 4013
362 million people in us
total case 4200 how in the hell do these numbers work for fear mongering and mass hysteria
how? this is from cdc not so cnn or fox
esting for the virus that causes COVID-19. COVID-19: U.S. at a Glance*
Total cases: 4,226 Total deaths: 75 Jurisdictions reporting cases: 53 (49 states, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, and US Virgin Islands)
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date. Cases of COVID-19 Reported in the US, by Source of Exposure*† Cases of COVID-19 Reported in the US, by Source of Exposure Travel-related 229 Close contact 245 Under investigation 3,752 Total cases 4,226
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date.
† CDC is no longer reporting the number of persons under investigation (PUIs) that have been tested, as well as PUIs that have tested negative. Now that states are testing and reporting their own results, CDC’s numbers are not representative of all testing being done nationwide.
Posted 2020-03-18 11:16 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Champ
Posts: 19623 Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm
Just to compare. From today. Yet I remember almost no panic and Ovomit didn't close down the country because of it. So what do people want? Do they want Trump to react or not react like Ovomit didn't? You can't have it both ways.
The (H1N1)pdm09 virus was very different from H1N1 viruses that were circulating at the time of the pandemic. Few young people had any existing immunity (as detected by antibody response) to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus, but nearly one-third of people over 60 years old had antibodies against this virus, likely from exposure to an older H1N1 virus earlier in their lives. Since the (H1N1)pdm09 virus was very different from circulating H1N1 viruses, vaccination with seasonal flu vaccines offered little cross-protection against (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection. While a monovalent (H1N1)pdm09 vaccine was produced, it was not available in large quantities until late November—after the peak of illness during the second wave had come and gone in the United States. From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and12,469 deaths(range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.
Disease Burden of the H1N1pdm09 Flu Virus, 2009-2018
Since the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, the (H1N1)pdm09 flu virus has circulated seasonally in the U.S. causing significant illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths.
Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. This differs greatly from typical seasonal influenza epidemics, during which about 70 percent to 90 percent of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years and older.
Though the 2009 flu pandemic primarily affected children and young and middle-aged adults, the impact of the (H1N1)pdm09 virus on the global population during the first year was less severe than that of previous pandemics. Estimates of pandemic influenza mortality ranged from 0.03 percent of the world’s population during the 1968 H3N2 pandemic to 1 percent to 3 percent of the world’s population during the 1918 H1N1 pandemic. It is estimated that 0.001 percent to 0.007 percent of the world’s population died of respiratory complications associated with (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first 12 months the virus circulated.
The United States mounted a complex, multi-faceted and long-term response to the pandemic, summarized in The 2009 H1N1 Pandemic: Summary Highlights, April 2009-April 2010. On August 10, 2010, WHO declared an end to the global 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic. However, (H1N1)pdm09 virus continues to circulate as a seasonal flu virus, and cause illness, hospitalization, and deaths worldwide every year.
Those are certainly "skewed FACTS ...... you are comparing SIXTEEN months of H1N1 (April 2009 - August 2010) to less than TWO months of the first reported case in the US ...... Additionally, the US is just in the beginning of the spread across the states. Will it end up being more deadly .... who knows ..... I don't...you don't .... Trump doesn't ..... because this is a brand new strain with almost no statistics until a few months ago .... Hopefully, we are doing the best to keep from spreading it!
Edited to add ...... "maybe" we learned from past experiences ....
Those are certainly "skewed FACTS ...... you are comparing SIXTEEN months of H1N1 (April 2009 - August 2010) to less than TWO months of the first reported case in the US ...... Additionally, the US is just in the beginning of the spread across the states. Will it end up being more deadly .... who knows ..... I don't...you don't .... Trump doesn't ..... because this is a brand new strain with almost no statistics until a few months ago .... Hopefully, we are doing the best to keep from spreading it!
Edited to add ...... "maybe" we learned from past experiences ....
OK lets extrapolate that information. We are 2 months into the CoVid 19 outbreak. If we have 14 more months of this, that is 97 deaths x 7 (assuming that we have a total outbreak time span of 16 months. 14 more to go divided by 2.) = 679 total US deaths. Compared to 12,000+ deaths from H1N1.
I just got remote access to work from home from an employer who swore up and down he wouldn't give his employees remote access before this. Finally! There was no reason for me to be in the office, even if I had an office and a door that stayed shut.
I just got remote access to work from home from an employer who swore up and down he wouldn't give his employees remote access before this. Finally! There was no reason for me to be in the office, even if I had an office and a door that stayed shut.
glad you are at home;)I had to take my rotti to the vet today,shes ill,i had to stay in my car,they came out and got her,examined,called me on my phone,then brought her and her meds back out to me.
total case 4200 how in the hell do these numbers work for fear mongering and mass hysteria
how? this is from cdc not so cnn or fox
esting for the virus that causes COVID-19. COVID-19: U.S. at a Glance*
Total cases: 4,226 Total deaths: 75 Jurisdictions reporting cases: 53 (49 states, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, and US Virgin Islands)
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date. Cases of COVID-19 Reported in the US, by Source of Exposure*† Cases of COVID-19 Reported in the US, by Source of Exposure Travel-related 229 Close contact 245 Under investigation 3,752 Total cases 4,226
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date.
† CDC is no longer reporting the number of persons under investigation (PUIs) that have been tested, as well as PUIs that have tested negative. Now that states are testing and reporting their own results, CDC’s numbers are not representative of all testing being done nationwide.
it is stated that ohio is not testing everyone,they are saying if you have the symtoms,stay home,if you get worsened symtoms,come to ER,so as far as the numbers go,they are not doing much testing,we have I THINK 88 cases,from 2 year old,up.they are saving testing for those that are hospitalized, and health care workers.
Those are certainly "skewed FACTS ...... you are comparing SIXTEEN months of H1N1 (April 2009 - August 2010) to less than TWO months of the first reported case in the US ...... Additionally, the US is just in the beginning of the spread across the states. Will it end up being more deadly .... who knows ..... I don't...you don't .... Trump doesn't ..... because this is a brand new strain with almost no statistics until a few months ago .... Hopefully, we are doing the best to keep from spreading it!
Edited to add ...... "maybe" we learned from past experiences ....
OK lets extrapolate that information. We are 2 months into the CoVid 19 outbreak. If we have 14 more months of this, that is 97 deaths x 7 (assuming that we have a total outbreak time span of 16 months. 14 more to go divided by 2.) = 679 total US deaths. Compared to 12,000+ deaths from H1N1.
You TOTALLY missed the point (what a surprise) .... we are ONLY TWO months into the start of this disease.....YOU, nor I, have NO idea how quickly it will spread or how deadly it will end up being .... You need to just look at the mortality rate of Italy to see that we are just getting ahead of the spread ..... and, by the way, since you copied and posted that meme..... the death rate is now 127 .... and it is now in all 50 states ....
total case 4200 how in the hell do these numbers work for fear mongering and mass hysteria
how? this is from cdc not so cnn or fox
esting for the virus that causes COVID-19. COVID-19: U.S. at a Glance*
Total cases: 4,226 Total deaths: 75 Jurisdictions reporting cases: 53 (49 states, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, and US Virgin Islands)
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date. Cases of COVID-19 Reported in the US, by Source of Exposure*† Cases of COVID-19 Reported in the US, by Source of Exposure Travel-related 229 Close contact 245 Under investigation 3,752 Total cases 4,226
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date.
† CDC is no longer reporting the number of persons under investigation (PUIs) that have been tested, as well as PUIs that have tested negative. Now that states are testing and reporting their own results, CDC’s numbers are not representative of all testing being done nationwide.
it is stated that ohio is not testing everyone,they are saying if you have the symtoms,stay home,if you get worsened symtoms,come to ER,so as far as the numbers go,they are not doing much testing,we have I THINK 88 cases,from 2 year old,up.they are saving testing for those that are hospitalized, and health care workers.
This is why we have NO idea how much it has spread or how many will be affected or how deadly it will end up being ...... Not enough tests!
Those are certainly "skewed FACTS ...... you are comparing SIXTEEN months of H1N1 (April 2009 - August 2010) to less than TWO months of the first reported case in the US ...... Additionally, the US is just in the beginning of the spread across the states. Will it end up being more deadly .... who knows ..... I don't...you don't .... Trump doesn't ..... because this is a brand new strain with almost no statistics until a few months ago .... Hopefully, we are doing the best to keep from spreading it!
Edited to add ...... "maybe" we learned from past experiences ....
OK lets extrapolate that information. We are 2 months into the CoVid 19 outbreak. If we have 14 more months of this, that is 97 deaths x 7 (assuming that we have a total outbreak time span of 16 months. 14 more to go divided by 2.) = 679 total US deaths. Compared to 12,000+ deaths from H1N1.
The website I watch says 125 deaths as of today and 8019 total cases in the US.
Now I don't know how many it takes to worry, but I do think if your 90+ and you die you should not be counted in the number. IMO the flu or a common cold could have got you to. I'm in the high risk area myself.
I'm more concerned that doctors in there 50's & 60's in other countries are dying myself. Real easy to second guess if your not on the front lines. I pray for these people daily. I sure want them to have what they need to do their jobs.
Those are certainly "skewed FACTS ...... you are comparing SIXTEEN months of H1N1 (April 2009 - August 2010) to less than TWO months of the first reported case in the US ...... Additionally, the US is just in the beginning of the spread across the states. Will it end up being more deadly .... who knows ..... I don't...you don't .... Trump doesn't ..... because this is a brand new strain with almost no statistics until a few months ago .... Hopefully, we are doing the best to keep from spreading it!
Edited to add ...... "maybe" we learned from past experiences ....
OK lets extrapolate that information. We are 2 months into the CoVid 19 outbreak. If we have 14 more months of this, that is 97 deaths x 7 (assuming that we have a total outbreak time span of 16 months. 14 more to go divided by 2.) = 679 total US deaths. Compared to 12,000+ deaths from H1N1.
You TOTALLY missed the point (what a surprise) .... we are ONLY TWO months into the start of this disease.....YOU, nor I, have NO idea how quickly it will spread or how deadly it will end up being .... You need to just look at the mortality rate of Italy to see that we are just getting ahead of the spread ..... and, by the way, since you copied and posted that meme..... the death rate is now 127 .... and it is now in all 50 states ....
I didn't miss your point. But you will move the goal post no matter what I hit. So multiply the deaths by another 10 times. That's still only 6790. There wasn't any country shut down. No mass hysteria when 12,000+ people died.
Those are certainly "skewed FACTS ...... you are comparing SIXTEEN months of H1N1 (April 2009 - August 2010) to less than TWO months of the first reported case in the US ...... Additionally, the US is just in the beginning of the spread across the states. Will it end up being more deadly .... who knows ..... I don't...you don't .... Trump doesn't ..... because this is a brand new strain with almost no statistics until a few months ago .... Hopefully, we are doing the best to keep from spreading it!
Edited to add ...... "maybe" we learned from past experiences ....
OK lets extrapolate that information. We are 2 months into the CoVid 19 outbreak. If we have 14 more months of this, that is 97 deaths x 7 (assuming that we have a total outbreak time span of 16 months. 14 more to go divided by 2.) = 679 total US deaths. Compared to 12,000+ deaths from H1N1.
The website I watch says 125 deaths as of today and 8019 total cases in the US.
Now I don't know how many it takes to worry, but I do think if your 90+ and you die you should not be counted in the number. IMO the flu or a common cold could have got you to. I'm in the high risk area myself.
I'm more concerned that doctors in there 50's & 60's in other countries are dying myself. Real easy to second guess if your not on the front lines. I pray for these people daily. I sure want them to have what they need to do their jobs.
I've got the CDC website open right now. Because I know someone would call me out. It says 97.
But you certainly missed my point. Why is the press and everyone else who hates President Trump dumping the blame on him??? He's doing more than any other president has done for the same or more threat to our health. The press lies about everything. They've harrassed and lied about everything since before he was elected.
Jurisdictions reporting cases: 54 (50 states, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, and US Virgin Islands)
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date.
Cases of COVID-19 Reported in the US, by Source of Exposure*†
Cases of COVID-19 Reported in the US, by Source of Exposure
Travel-related
269
Close contact
276
Under investigation
6,493
Total cases
7,038
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date.
† CDC is no longer reporting the number of persons under investigation (PUIs) that have been tested, as well as PUIs that have tested negative. Now that states are testing and reporting their own results, CDC’s numbers are not representative of all testing being done nationwide.
Those are certainly "skewed FACTS ...... you are comparing SIXTEEN months of H1N1 (April 2009 - August 2010) to less than TWO months of the first reported case in the US ...... Additionally, the US is just in the beginning of the spread across the states. Will it end up being more deadly .... who knows ..... I don't...you don't .... Trump doesn't ..... because this is a brand new strain with almost no statistics until a few months ago .... Hopefully, we are doing the best to keep from spreading it!
Edited to add ...... "maybe" we learned from past experiences ....
OK lets extrapolate that information. We are 2 months into the CoVid 19 outbreak. If we have 14 more months of this, that is 97 deaths x 7 (assuming that we have a total outbreak time span of 16 months. 14 more to go divided by 2.) = 679 total US deaths. Compared to 12,000+ deaths from H1N1.
You TOTALLY missed the point (what a surprise) .... we are ONLY TWO months into the start of this disease.....YOU, nor I, have NO idea how quickly it will spread or how deadly it will end up being .... You need to just look at the mortality rate of Italy to see that we are just getting ahead of the spread ..... and, by the way, since you copied and posted that meme..... the death rate is now 127 .... and it is now in all 50 states ....
I didn't miss your point. But you will move the goal post no matter what I hit. So multiply the deaths by another 10 times. That's still only 6790. There wasn't any country shut down. No mass hysteria when 12,000+ people died.
The point is the "UNKNOWN" of this disease.....
I don't know about you ...... but I, personally, think that this country should be more safe than SORRY ...... I guess if we did nothing and it killed more than H1N1 or the flu .... we should just say "Oh, well" ......
Oh Lord NJJ. You do hate to lose an argument. The problem is people aren't getting facts. I listened to an interview with a doctor with no axe to grind who said the cruise ship example was a perfect scenario to judge the death rate from. There were several thousand people. No new people added and no people left the group. It was a contained environment. The final toll was a death rate of .85% (that's less than 1%) deaths from all the thousands of people exposed and only a small percentage of people exposed got symptoms. They were on that ship for a month.
The left says Trump fired the pandemic team. No he didn't. He consolidated it with 2 other governmental agencies. He was trying to save us money by cutting down on the redundant 4615465165463546351235 agencies that the pro government dems love. They just cherry pick the things they want the public to "know" even if they are lying. And when someone tries to show them proof, they bury their heads to avoid seeing it.
No, the White House didn’t ‘dissolve’ its pandemic response office. I was there.
The White House. (Joshua Roberts/Reuters)
By Tim Morrison
March 16, 2020 at 10:37 a.m. PDT
Tim Morrison is a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and former senior director for counterproliferation and biodefense on the National Security Council.
President Trump gets his share of criticism — some warranted, much not. But recently the president’s critics have chosen curious ground to question his response to the coronavirus outbreak since it began spreading from Wuhan, China, in December.
It has been alleged by multiple officials of the Obama administration, including in The Post, that the president and his then-national security adviser, John Bolton, “dissolved the office” at the White House in charge of pandemic preparedness. Because I led the very directorate assigned that mission, the counterproliferation and biodefense office, for a year and then handed it off to another official who still holds the post, I know the charge is specious.
Now, I’m not naive. This is Washington. It’s an election year. Officials out of power want back into power after November. But the middle of a worldwide health emergency is not the time to be making tendentious accusations.
It is true that the Trump administration has seen fit to shrink the NSC staff. But the bloat that occurred under the previous administration clearly needed a correction. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, congressional oversight committees and members of the Obama administration itself all agreed the NSC was too large and too operationally focused (a departure from its traditional role coordinating executive branch activity). As The Post reported in 2015, from the Clinton administration to the Obama administration’s second term, the NSC’s staff “had quadrupled in size, to nearly 400 people.” That is why Trump began streamlining the NSC staff in 2017.
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One such move at the NSC was to create the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate, which was the result of consolidating three directorates into one, given the obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense. It is this reorganization that critics have misconstrued or intentionally misrepresented. If anything, the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled.
Opinion | Trump fans believe him over the media on coronavirus. This is dangerous.
Trump may think he can sugarcoat coronavirus, but media critic Erik Wemple says it is time for the government to speak with one clear voice about public health. (Video: Erik Wemple/Photo: Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
The reduction of force in the NSC has continued since I departed the White House. But it has left the biodefense staff unaffected — perhaps a recognition of the importance of that mission to the president, who, after all, in 2018 issued a presidential memorandum to finally create real accountability in the federal government’s expansive biodefense system.
The NSC is really the only place in government where there is a staff that ensures the commander in chief gets all the options he needs to make a decision, and then makes sure that decision is actually implemented. I worry that further reductions at the NSC could impair its capabilities, but the current staffing level is fully up to the job.
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You might ask: Why does all this matter? Won’t it just be a historical footnote?
It matters because when people play politics in the middle of a crisis, we are all less safe.
We are less safe because public servants are distracted when they are dragged into politics.
We’re less safe because the American people have been recklessly scared into doubting the competence of their government to help keep them safe, secure and healthy.
And we’re less safe because when we’re focused on political gamesmanship, we’re not paying enough attention to the real issues. For example, we should be united behind ensuring that, in a future congressional appropriations package, U.S. companies are encouraged to return to our shores from China the production of everything from medical face masks and personal protective equipment to vitamin C and penicillin.
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And we should be united in demanding to know why the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) was aware of the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan early in December, maybe even November, and didn’t tell the rest of the world, when stopping the deadly spread might have been possible.
Just as the United States has fought against fake information aimed at our elections, we should fight back against CCP propagandists. They are not only campaigning against the use of the term “Wuhan virus” (a more geographically accurate description than “Spanish flu” ever was about the 1918 pandemic) but now also promoting the false claim that covid-19 was created by the U.S. Army. Public health officials have pinpointed a wild-animal market in Wuhan as the outbreak’s origin.
There are real threats emanating from this pandemic. We need to focus on getting our response right and save the finger-pointing for what comes after. This is the United States — we will get through this. And for the love of God, wash your hands.
total case 4200 how in the hell do these numbers work for fear mongering and mass hysteria
how? this is from cdc not so cnn or fox
esting for the virus that causes COVID-19. COVID-19: U.S. at a Glance*
Total cases: 4,226 Total deaths: 75 Jurisdictions reporting cases: 53 (49 states, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, and US Virgin Islands)
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date. Cases of COVID-19 Reported in the US, by Source of Exposure*† Cases of COVID-19 Reported in the US, by Source of Exposure Travel-related 229 Close contact 245 Under investigation 3,752 Total cases 4,226
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date.
† CDC is no longer reporting the number of persons under investigation (PUIs) that have been tested, as well as PUIs that have tested negative. Now that states are testing and reporting their own results, CDC’s numbers are not representative of all testing being done nationwide.
it is stated that ohio is not testing everyone,they are saying if you have the symtoms,stay home,if you get worsened symtoms,come to ER,so as far as the numbers go,they are not doing much testing,we have I THINK 88 cases,from 2 year old,up.they are saving testing for those that are hospitalized, and health care workers.
This is why we have NO idea how much it has spread or how many will be affected or how deadly it will end up being ...... Not enough tests!
hey,dont kill the messenger,LMAO,i am not sure of the reasoning,if they have enough or dont have enough tests?who knows,but i just thought i should put that out so people know the statistics sure wont be 100 percent.With that being said,I still think our country is doing a good job with getting the word out on the updates,AND WITH THAT BEING SAID.....I DO NOT WATCH THE NEWS ALL DAY LONG,I DO NOT READ A NEWSPAPER,I AM A VERY BUSY PERSON,AND I LIKE THE OUTDOORS.oh and NJJ, i know you were just pointing out a fact;) yes,NJJ AND I DO GET ALONG,AND WE SHARE AND TALK ABOUT OUR DIFFERENCES,AND AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ARE STILL FRIENDS;)
Well keep watching the CDC according to the ones I watch it's going to jump quite a bit. We just passed S Koren in cases, not a contest I want to win. I want to know what Germany is doing over 12,000 cases and only 28 deaths.
Those are certainly "skewed FACTS ...... you are comparing SIXTEEN months of H1N1 (April 2009 - August 2010) to less than TWO months of the first reported case in the US ...... Additionally, the US is just in the beginning of the spread across the states. Will it end up being more deadly .... who knows ..... I don't...you don't .... Trump doesn't ..... because this is a brand new strain with almost no statistics until a few months ago .... Hopefully, we are doing the best to keep from spreading it!
Edited to add ...... "maybe" we learned from past experiences ....
OK lets extrapolate that information. We are 2 months into the CoVid 19 outbreak. If we have 14 more months of this, that is 97 deaths x 7 (assuming that we have a total outbreak time span of 16 months. 14 more to go divided by 2.) = 679 total US deaths. Compared to 12,000+ deaths from H1N1.
The website I watch says 125 deaths as of today and 8019 total cases in the US.
Now I don't know how many it takes to worry, but I do think if your 90+ and you die you should not be counted in the number. IMO the flu or a common cold could have got you to. I'm in the high risk area myself.
I'm more concerned that doctors in there 50's & 60's in other countries are dying myself. Real easy to second guess if your not on the front lines. I pray for these people daily. I sure want them to have what they need to do their jobs.
I've got the CDC website open right now. Because I know someone would call me out. It says 97.
But you certainly missed my point. Why is the press and everyone else who hates President Trump dumping the blame on him??? He's doing more than any other president has done for the same or more threat to our health. The press lies about everything. They've harrassed and lied about everything since before he was elected.
Cases in U.S.
Updated March 18, 2020
This page will be updated regularly at noon Mondays through Fridays. Numbers close out at 4 p.m. the day before reporting.
Jurisdictions reporting cases: 54 (50 states, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, and US Virgin Islands)
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date.
Cases of COVID-19 Reported in the US, by Source of Exposure*†
Cases of COVID-19 Reported in the US, by Source of Exposure
Travel-related
269
Close contact
276
Under investigation
6,493
Total cases
7,038
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date.
† CDC is no longer reporting the number of persons under investigation (PUIs) that have been tested, as well as PUIs that have tested negative. Now that states are testing and reporting their own results, CDC’s numbers are not representative of all testing being done nationwide.
Numbers close out at 4 p.m. the day before reporting.
So the PHUCK what? That's the most reliable information available. I don't trust your website any more than you trust anything anyone else says. So there we are.
Those are certainly "skewed FACTS ...... you are comparing SIXTEEN months of H1N1 (April 2009 - August 2010) to less than TWO months of the first reported case in the US ...... Additionally, the US is just in the beginning of the spread across the states. Will it end up being more deadly .... who knows ..... I don't...you don't .... Trump doesn't ..... because this is a brand new strain with almost no statistics until a few months ago .... Hopefully, we are doing the best to keep from spreading it!
Edited to add ...... "maybe" we learned from past experiences ....
OK lets extrapolate that information. We are 2 months into the CoVid 19 outbreak. If we have 14 more months of this, that is 97 deaths x 7 (assuming that we have a total outbreak time span of 16 months. 14 more to go divided by 2.) = 679 total US deaths. Compared to 12,000+ deaths from H1N1.
The website I watch says 125 deaths as of today and 8019 total cases in the US.
Now I don't know how many it takes to worry, but I do think if your 90+ and you die you should not be counted in the number. IMO the flu or a common cold could have got you to. I'm in the high risk area myself.
I'm more concerned that doctors in there 50's & 60's in other countries are dying myself. Real easy to second guess if your not on the front lines. I pray for these people daily. I sure want them to have what they need to do their jobs.
Before extrapolating information it might be smart to look at how the virus is spreading expotentially. Simply spreading the math from two months of statistics over an additional 14 month is completely faulty asumption. Might want to do some research on what the experts are calculating before throwing out facts.
total case 4200 how in the hell do these numbers work for fear mongering and mass hysteria
how? this is from cdc not so cnn or fox
esting for the virus that causes COVID-19. COVID-19: U.S. at a Glance*
Total cases: 4,226 Total deaths: 75 Jurisdictions reporting cases: 53 (49 states, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, and US Virgin Islands)
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date. Cases of COVID-19 Reported in the US, by Source of Exposure*† Cases of COVID-19 Reported in the US, by Source of Exposure Travel-related 229 Close contact 245 Under investigation 3,752 Total cases 4,226
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date.
† CDC is no longer reporting the number of persons under investigation (PUIs) that have been tested, as well as PUIs that have tested negative. Now that states are testing and reporting their own results, CDC’s numbers are not representative of all testing being done nationwide.
it is stated that ohio is not testing everyone,they are saying if you have the symtoms,stay home,if you get worsened symtoms,come to ER,so as far as the numbers go,they are not doing much testing,we have I THINK 88 cases,from 2 year old,up.they are saving testing for those that are hospitalized, and health care workers.
This is why we have NO idea how much it has spread or how many will be affected or how deadly it will end up being ...... Not enough tests!
hey,dont kill the messenger,LMAO,i am not sure of the reasoning,if they have enough or dont have enough tests?who knows,but i just thought i should put that out so people know the statistics sure wont be 100 percent.With that being said,I still think our country is doing a good job with getting the word out on the updates,AND WITH THAT BEING SAID.....I DO NOT WATCH THE NEWS ALL DAY LONG,I DO NOT READ A NEWSPAPER,I AM A VERY BUSY PERSON,AND I LIKE THE OUTDOORS.oh and NJJ, i know you were just pointing out a fact;) yes,NJJ AND I DO GET ALONG,AND WE SHARE AND TALK ABOUT OUR DIFFERENCES,AND AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ARE STILL FRIENDS;)
LOL ..... I was actually agreeing with you ..... we don't have the facts because we don't have to tests ..... Yep....we can disagree but still are friends....
My husband had a scheduled drs appointment with our primary care dr today that was made over 4 months ago, for some skin cancer spots he needed to be looked at and froze off. They actually called him this morning and asked if he would Skype with the dr instead of coming in. He said he really needed him to look at these spots . They allowed him to come in but he got screened on his way inside the clinic. He said there was hardly anyone in the waiting room. Guess that's a good thing. On a side note... my hubby was denied service today at McDonald's.. hes a truck driver and sometimes gets limited on what he can grab to eat, depending on where he ends up and mandatory breaks they have to take. All dining rooms are closed, drive thru only.. well he drives an 18 wheeler... he walked up to the speaker and asked if they could serve him even though he wasnt in a vehicle he was told no and to get out of the drive thru... he asked if they could give him the food at the door then. They said no. So he just had to wait it out. He finally got to another town and went to whataburger... they told him theyd gladly serve him a meal, thanked him for his services and delivered his food to him at his truck. Thank you WHATABURGER!!!
I sure hate to hear that about McDonalds after all the billions they have sold. I would sure boycott McDonald's if I went there even before I was staying home. Thank your husband the truck driver.
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A 64 year old Plano, Tx man dies today from the Coronvirus. How sad, he was not even old.
and thats the bottom line isnt it my friend.No need to bicker or throw throat punches,how very sad.I pray it all settles soon and everyone does their part.
Posted 2020-03-19 8:52 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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In my opinion, spawnig off the argument above, the 2 months of it here I don't think is accurate. I would be willing to be someone had it here closer to the time it started over there in December. And if anyone here died of it then it was probably assumed they had the flu. Idk about other places in the country but nobody here actually tests for the flu. If you have flu symptoms, they tell you that you have the flu & send you on your way, And I'm still willing to bet theres 1 million people at least that have it and have had it that nobody knows about bc there were no symptoms. So truly truly the statistics can't even be accurate, especially when they were saying at one tie 80% of the people testing positive have no symptoms. We still have to remember these confirmed cases aren't limited to just those that are sick from it. Everyone is terrified of it getting bigger & I can guarantee you its already been bigger than they thought for a long time & so far in the US its not that bad yet. Am I concerned for my 87 year old grandma, yes. Am I concerned for myself, absolutely not. I'm going to work & the barn & the store if I have to but I go at the end of the day just before close at night to avoid as many people as I can in public.
Posted 2020-03-19 9:43 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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I saw on the news this morning that there are no new reported cases in China for the first time that this started. If that is accurate, that's good ... now what about us? We have a whopping 3 cases REPORTED in my county... my whole county .. 1 being a 70 yr old man that just returned from overseas. I'm staying put as much as I can.... our HEB is offering free curbside pickup but there is a 7 day wait list as of right now. Think I'll just wait and not clog up the system even more because I'm afraid I wont be able to get food. We have plenty right now. Same with toilet paper, soap, etc etc... I'm a little low on dog food as chewy is out of my brand but they have enough to last at least 2 weeks. I'm more annoyed than anything right now. I saw a single bottle of dial hand soap on Amazon for $48.00. Amazon is out of pretty much everything you cant get in stores right now. If everyone would just STOP.... stop going out unnecessarily, stop hoarding groceries, STOP panicking! I saw on Facebook a producer putting on a race still and receiving plenty of backlash for it... can we really not sit tight for 2 lousy weeks and get this thing under control so we can move on??? Come on ... I also saw on tractor supply Facebook page that they have to give you toilet paper before entering the restroom because people were stealing toilet paper from the restrooms in there. Come on!!! My sister works at a major bank in Arkansas, they are closed in the lobby but have drive thru... people are lined up taking all their money out. All this nonsense is going to have worse longterm negative effects than the coronavirus itself....
Posted 2020-03-19 9:59 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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I see lots of people posting numbers but not mentioning the variables. Some viruses are more contagious and their timing can differ as well. Some are more contagious when the symptoms appear and others are still very contagious way before symptoms appear then there is droplets vs aerosols. Just how "airborne " is this strain , there seems to be arguments over that right now
then there are the ones that don't care because "it won't effect them". Calling it "boomer remover" ok great you don't care about others. What happens when it mutates?
Posted 2020-03-19 10:30 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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kwanatha - 2020-03-19 9:59 AM
I see lots of people posting numbers but not mentioning the variables. Some viruses are more contagious and their timing can differ as well. Some are more contagious when the symptoms appear and others are still very contagious way before symptoms appear then there is droplets vs aerosols. Just how "airborne " is this strain , there seems to be arguments over that right now
then there are the ones that don't care because "it won't effect them". Calling it "boomer remover" ok great you don't care about others. What happens when it mutates?
They interviewed a couple of college students from this area .... Both said that they would have no problem taking advantage of the cheap air fares for TRAVEL and probably would do so ..... when asked about the virus, they said that it is an "old folks" worry .... and LAUGHED!
Posted 2020-03-19 10:59 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Yep, manufactured crisis!!!! The Coronovirus was manufactured in a bio/chemical lab in Wahun China. China hates Trump because he doesn't crawl, he stands like a bear. I don't care if he speaks when he shouldn't at times...I do the same. They release the virus for population control of their own and to interfere with this election but Americans are not stupid. China along with Russia would much prefer a weak President like Obama, Biden, or socialist Bernie. The virus is real thanks to China, we too will get through this.
Posted 2020-03-19 11:41 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-18 10:12 PM
A 64 year old Plano, Tx man dies today from the Coronvirus. How sad, he was not even old.
It is very sad he died :(
BUT, there have been conflicting reports on him. Even when I was watching the news, last night, what was written on the screen was different than what the reporter was saying. He already had an underlying condition, and they have not been able to confirm the cause of his death. Even though they did later confirm he tested positive for coronavirus, they can't say that the symptoms of that virus is what actually killed him.
That's why you have to be very careful with the media - they have an agenda and will skew facts, as someone else said above.
A 64 year old Plano, Tx man dies today from the Coronvirus. How sad, he was not even old.
It is very sad he died :(
BUT, there have been conflicting reports on him. Even when I was watching the news, last night, what was written on the screen was different than what the reporter was saying. He already had an underlying condition, and they have not been able to confirm the cause of his death. Even though they did later confirm he tested positive for coronavirus, they can't say that the symptoms of that virus is what actually killed him.
That's why you have to be very careful with the media - they have an agenda and will skew facts, as someone else said above.
Now I thought this was how this virus worked, it hits the ones that are weak and have a low immunity with underlying issues.
I see lots of people posting numbers but not mentioning the variables. Some viruses are more contagious and their timing can differ as well. Some are more contagious when the symptoms appear and others are still very contagious way before symptoms appear then there is droplets vs aerosols. Just how "airborne " is this strain , there seems to be arguments over that right now
then there are the ones that don't care because "it won't effect them". Calling it "boomer remover" ok great you don't care about others. What happens when it mutates?
They interviewed a couple of college students from this area .... Both said that they would have no problem taking advantage of the cheap air fares for TRAVEL and probably would do so ..... when asked about the virus, they said that it is an "old folks" worry .... and LAUGHED!
Well there you go, people thinking this is nothing to worry about, thats pretty sad if they are looking at this virus that way, an Old Folks worry, WOW!!!!
A 64 year old Plano, Tx man dies today from the Coronvirus. How sad, he was not even old.
It is very sad he died :(
BUT, there have been conflicting reports on him. Even when I was watching the news, last night, what was written on the screen was different than what the reporter was saying. He already had an underlying condition, and they have not been able to confirm the cause of his death. Even though they did later confirm he tested positive for coronavirus, they can't say that the symptoms of that virus is what actually killed him.
That's why you have to be very careful with the media - they have an agenda and will skew facts, as someone else said above.
Now I thought this was how this virus worked, it hits the ones that are weak and have a low immunity with underlying issues.
Yes but they're saying that doesn't mean all the deaths are from the virus. If you have the virus and it weakens your immune system enough, the previous underlying health issue may be the cause of death. I have high BP and if the virus raised it enough to give me a stroke and I died from that, my cause of death would be stroke. But the media would just say I had the virus and died.
A 64 year old Plano, Tx man dies today from the Coronvirus. How sad, he was not even old.
and thats the bottom line isnt it my friend.No need to bicker or throw throat punches,how very sad.I pray it all settles soon and everyone does their part.
The sad part is not many are willing to do their part.. They wont take this serious, what about all the grand parents out there, I'm betting they are taking this very serious. And BOY your not kidding about the throwing throat punches WOWZ !!!!!
I see lots of people posting numbers but not mentioning the variables. Some viruses are more contagious and their timing can differ as well. Some are more contagious when the symptoms appear and others are still very contagious way before symptoms appear then there is droplets vs aerosols. Just how "airborne " is this strain , there seems to be arguments over that right now
then there are the ones that don't care because "it won't effect them". Calling it "boomer remover" ok great you don't care about others. What happens when it mutates?
How contagious?? Very. 70% of the dental Field is shut down. It's to contagious for us to work due to the nature of the symptoms and being an aerosol contracted disease. Some can have it and be asymptomatic. Show no signs of disease. Our PPE isn't enough. We have level 3 masks that protect against bodily fluids but they are recommending N95 masks which protect from aerosols. But we don't want them because the medical field needs them more. OSHA standard is to use universal precautions and always treat people as if they are infected long before COVID-19. But to risk the elderly or compromised patients is not worth it considereding how the rest of the community is reacting. ADA and the government strongly recommends postponing any elective non emergency dental care for 3 weeks. When they are shutting bars and dine in restaurants state wide, I personally take it seriously. Especially with my profession as a hygienist with being on the front line for contracting and spreading. Not the liability I want. My office is shut down for 2 weeks... Possibly look longer. Some are for 3 weeks.
I hear about some small jobs shutting down and only pickup at resturants but what about factories with 600 or more.How does this affect them?
I pray it dont come down to closing these factories, My favorite resturants have already closed their doors, I hope that they can stay in business after this mess is over.
Well keep watching the CDC according to the ones I watch it's going to jump quite a bit. We just passed S Koren in cases, not a contest I want to win. I want to know what Germany is doing over 12,000 cases and only 28 deaths.
Possibly lots of false positives in the testing. I know that was a major issue in the S. Korean testing.
Well keep watching the CDC according to the ones I watch it's going to jump quite a bit. We just passed S Koren in cases, not a contest I want to win. I want to know what Germany is doing over 12,000 cases and only 28 deaths.
Possibly lots of false positives in the testing. I know that was a major issue in the S. Korean testing.
One thing to consider is when arriving at death rates you really should back track your denominator. Take the number of deaths and divide by the number infected 3 weeks ago. The deaths from the recently infected have not occurred yet
Posted 2020-03-20 8:54 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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JLazyT_perf_horses - 2020-03-19 2:03 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-19 1:48 PM
txbredbr - 2020-03-19 11:41 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-18 10:12 PM
A 64 year old Plano, Tx man dies today from the Coronvirus. How sad, he was not even old.
It is very sad he died :(
BUT, there have been conflicting reports on him. Even when I was watching the news, last night, what was written on the screen was different than what the reporter was saying. He already had an underlying condition, and they have not been able to confirm the cause of his death. Even though they did later confirm he tested positive for coronavirus, they can't say that the symptoms of that virus is what actually killed him.
That's why you have to be very careful with the media - they have an agenda and will skew facts, as someone else said above.
Now I thought this was how this virus worked, it hits the ones that are weak and have a low immunity with underlying issues.
Yes but they're saying that doesn't mean all the deaths are from the virus. If you have the virus and it weakens your immune system enough, the previous underlying health issue may be the cause of death. I have high BP and if the virus raised it enough to give me a stroke and I died from that, my cause of death would be stroke. But the media would just say I had the virus and died.
I am trying to wrap my head around this type of thinking ....... If NOT for the virus, you would not have died!
Posted 2020-03-20 10:53 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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NJJ - 2020-03-20 8:54 AM
JLazyT_perf_horses - 2020-03-19 2:03 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-19 1:48 PM
txbredbr - 2020-03-19 11:41 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-18 10:12 PM
A 64 year old Plano, Tx man dies today from the Coronvirus. How sad, he was not even old.
It is very sad he died :(
BUT, there have been conflicting reports on him. Even when I was watching the news, last night, what was written on the screen was different than what the reporter was saying. He already had an underlying condition, and they have not been able to confirm the cause of his death. Even though they did later confirm he tested positive for coronavirus, they can't say that the symptoms of that virus is what actually killed him.
That's why you have to be very careful with the media - they have an agenda and will skew facts, as someone else said above.
Now I thought this was how this virus worked, it hits the ones that are weak and have a low immunity with underlying issues.
Yes but they're saying that doesn't mean all the deaths are from the virus. If you have the virus and it weakens your immune system enough, the previous underlying health issue may be the cause of death. I have high BP and if the virus raised it enough to give me a stroke and I died from that, my cause of death would be stroke. But the media would just say I had the virus and died.
I am trying to wrap my head around this type of thinking ....... If NOT for the virus, you would not have died!
Thats the MO of this Virus, it takes the weak down. Thats why its so scary for anyone thats has a low immune system or underlying issue.
Posted 2020-03-20 11:51 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-20 10:53 AM
NJJ - 2020-03-20 8:54 AM
JLazyT_perf_horses - 2020-03-19 2:03 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-19 1:48 PM
txbredbr - 2020-03-19 11:41 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-18 10:12 PM
A 64 year old Plano, Tx man dies today from the Coronvirus. How sad, he was not even old.
It is very sad he died :(
BUT, there have been conflicting reports on him. Even when I was watching the news, last night, what was written on the screen was different than what the reporter was saying. He already had an underlying condition, and they have not been able to confirm the cause of his death. Even though they did later confirm he tested positive for coronavirus, they can't say that the symptoms of that virus is what actually killed him.
That's why you have to be very careful with the media - they have an agenda and will skew facts, as someone else said above.
Now I thought this was how this virus worked, it hits the ones that are weak and have a low immunity with underlying issues.
Yes but they're saying that doesn't mean all the deaths are from the virus. If you have the virus and it weakens your immune system enough, the previous underlying health issue may be the cause of death. I have high BP and if the virus raised it enough to give me a stroke and I died from that, my cause of death would be stroke. But the media would just say I had the virus and died.
I am trying to wrap my head around this type of thinking ....... If NOT for the virus, you would not have died!
Thats the MO of this Virus, it takes the weak down. Thats why its so scary for anyone thats has a low immune system or underlying issue.
My intent in this statement was lost a little - what I am pointing out is that if someone dies from a different cause, but just happened to test positive for the virus, the media will point out they had they had the covid-19 virus and died.
I have heard so many conflicting stories of the virus, that I do believe it is getting blown way out of proportion. Here in my area, rumors of a Judge being in ICU and panic surrounding it, then a few hours later I find out he's home and doing fine - that the other was just a rumor. A doctor telling my husband it is like a cold for most people - if they even show symptoms at all - but the media can twist something any way they like and you just have to be careful about that, is what I am saying.
I work in criminal defense - I've seen them do the same thing with our cases....and I know what really is the truth, then what the media reports - or doesn't.
All these kids partying and blowing off this virus, I just wonder who is funding their lifestyle. If it is the parents I guess we know who needs slapped. If they are employed, the funding will dry up soon and they will find themselves broke at home.
Peggy {OregonBR} since you are all up to date about the coronavirus and watch alot of videos with Dan B, tell us how this Virus works,my understanding is that it works on the Low immune systems ones with underlying issues, so the ones that have died because of the Coronavirus but had underlying issue the CV is not the blame then? I know you have alot of information so expalin then..So the news media is all false as some are saying?
Edited: the reason I'm asking you this is that you like txbredbr post about the media being false. So just wondering.
If this is getting blown way out of proportion then why has this gotton so far as in closing down business, schools, people are going into depth over all this. and the ones that did die from the CV didnt really die because of the virus it was the underlying issues these people had? I meant to Quote txbredbr..
All these kids partying and blowing off this virus, I just wonder who is funding their lifestyle. If it is the parents I guess we know who needs slapped. If they are employed, the funding will dry up soon and they will find themselves broke at home.
I guess since they think the media is twisting things around about this Coronavirus that its all fine to party on. I just dont get how people wont take this serious.. So Sad
I think Florida will be interesting to watch sort of like the canary in the coal mine. Since they want all that travel money and they have so many elderly I think we will get to see what happens pretty soon. Not happy they are going to spread it all over the country but I do like free will. IDK
We will see if the states made the right decision. I am just so happy I don't live in the era of 3 TV channels and newspaper for news. You all may hate the press but I like being informed, especially with society changing daily. I would be climbing the walls with out it. However my house would be clean and horses not be muddy, for no one to see.
Peggy {OregonBR} since you are all up to date about the coronavirus and watch alot of videos with Dan B, tell us how this Virus works,my understanding is that it works on the Low immune systems ones with underlying issues, so the ones that have died because of the Coronavirus but had underlying issue the CV is not the blame then? I know you have alot of information so expalin then..So the news media is all false as some are saying?
Edited: the reason I'm asking you this is that you like txbredbr post about the media being false. So just wondering.
The Italian death toll is so high because they did absolutely ZIP to stop bringing possibly infected people into the country. The people that died usually had underlying other serious medical conditions AND were older elderly. The doctor brings up the cruise ship. Contained environment, all the people were assumably exposed but only a few died. They tested every single person on that ship.
I think Florida will be interesting to watch sort of like the canary in the coal mine. Since they want all that travel money and they have so many elderly I think we will get to see what happens pretty soon. Not happy they are going to spread it all over the country but I do like free will. IDK
We will see if the states made the right decision. I am just so happy I don't live in the era of 3 TV channels and newspaper for news. You all may hate the press but I like being informed, especially with society changing daily. I would be climbing the walls with out it. However my house would be clean and horses not be muddy, for no one to see.
I pretty much watch the media too when I can or feel like it. Oh man I remember the days of only having a limited number of tv channels and when the president came on he ruined the evening, THE PRESIDENT IS ON TV and I cant watch the Carol Burnnet show momma!!!
Peggy {OregonBR} since you are all up to date about the coronavirus and watch alot of videos with Dan B, tell us how this Virus works,my understanding is that it works on the Low immune systems ones with underlying issues, so the ones that have died because of the Coronavirus but had underlying issue the CV is not the blame then? I know you have alot of information so expalin then..So the news media is all false as some are saying?
Edited: the reason I'm asking you this is that you like txbredbr post about the media being false. So just wondering.
The Italian death toll is so high because they did absolutely ZIP to stop bringing possibly infected people into the country. The people that died usually had underlying other serious medical conditions AND were older elderly. The doctor brings up the cruise ship. Contained environment, all the people were assumably exposed but only a few died. They tested every single person on that ship.
I watched that video of Dan BamBoozle ..... What makes you think that he is any better "news" person? I put him in the category of "Opinionator"..... That being said.....did you take the time to research the "Doctor" that is supposed to be his expert?
Dr. Centeno, is board certified in Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation and does orthopedic research (can't figure out how that makes him an expert on virus). He is also involved with a company (Regenexx) that was censured by the FDA for false (stem cell application) information on their website. So, What makes him an expert on viruses?
Edited to add ...... According to reports ..... a month before the first case was reported in Italy, the Italian Health Ministry created a task force to manage coronavirus. Italy was the first European Union country to ban flights to and from China.
Thought this expert might be a better source. I saw when you posted the video and thought ..... why would I listen to what he has to say, I googled him. And now here I am listening to Joe from Fear Factor a show I hated. So I didn't call you out and have no better sources.
ETA: Watch Joe Rogan when he finds out the sauna will not kill the virus. He also talks about wasting disease in deer and lyme disease was interesting too.
Peggy {OregonBR} since you are all up to date about the coronavirus and watch alot of videos with Dan B, tell us how this Virus works,my understanding is that it works on the Low immune systems ones with underlying issues, so the ones that have died because of the Coronavirus but had underlying issue the CV is not the blame then? I know you have alot of information so expalin then..So the news media is all false as some are saying?
Edited: the reason I'm asking you this is that you like txbredbr post about the media being false. So just wondering.
The Italian death toll is so high because they did absolutely ZIP to stop bringing possibly infected people into the country. The people that died usually had underlying other serious medical conditions AND were older elderly. The doctor brings up the cruise ship. Contained environment, all the people were assumably exposed but only a few died. They tested every single person on that ship.
I watched that video of Dan BamBoozle ..... What makes you think that he is any better "news" person? I put him in the category of "Opinionator"..... That being said.....did you take the time to research the "Doctor" that is supposed to be his expert?
Dr. Centeno, is board certified in Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation and does orthopedic research (can't figure out how that makes him an expert on virus). He is also involved with a company (Regenexx) that was censured by the FDA for false (stem cell application) information on their website. So, What makes him an expert on viruses?
The Dr is an unbiased source. IF YOU WOULD LISTEN to the Dr you could decide for yourself. He's a much better souce than CNN and all the other known propaganda sources. In spite of the fact that Bongino is the vehicle by which you get the tranfer of information, you SHOULD BE ABLE TO DISCERN FACT FROM FICTION. When I want to know something, I don't ask on this board. I go get real information from real sources. If you don't want to listen to any of this, fine. Don't. I was asked nicely to provide my sources. I did.
Peggy {OregonBR} since you are all up to date about the coronavirus and watch alot of videos with Dan B, tell us how this Virus works,my understanding is that it works on the Low immune systems ones with underlying issues, so the ones that have died because of the Coronavirus but had underlying issue the CV is not the blame then? I know you have alot of information so expalin then..So the news media is all false as some are saying?
Edited: the reason I'm asking you this is that you like txbredbr post about the media being false. So just wondering.
The Italian death toll is so high because they did absolutely ZIP to stop bringing possibly infected people into the country. The people that died usually had underlying other serious medical conditions AND were older elderly. The doctor brings up the cruise ship. Contained environment, all the people were assumably exposed but only a few died. They tested every single person on that ship.
I have never heard of this person untill you started posting about his videos, who is he exactly? I dont watch videos so thank you but no thank you, I just dont have the patience to sit that long, LOL.
I thought maybe you yourself could have explain how this coronavirus is working and the twisted media.
Peggy {OregonBR} since you are all up to date about the coronavirus and watch alot of videos with Dan B, tell us how this Virus works,my understanding is that it works on the Low immune systems ones with underlying issues, so the ones that have died because of the Coronavirus but had underlying issue the CV is not the blame then? I know you have alot of information so expalin then..So the news media is all false as some are saying?
Edited: the reason I'm asking you this is that you like txbredbr post about the media being false. So just wondering.
The Italian death toll is so high because they did absolutely ZIP to stop bringing possibly infected people into the country. The people that died usually had underlying other serious medical conditions AND were older elderly. The doctor brings up the cruise ship. Contained environment, all the people were assumably exposed but only a few died. They tested every single person on that ship.
I watched that video of Dan BamBoozle ..... What makes you think that he is any better "news" person? I put him in the category of "Opinionator"..... That being said.....did you take the time to research the "Doctor" that is supposed to be his expert?
Dr. Centeno, is board certified in Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation and does orthopedic research (can't figure out how that makes him an expert on virus). He is also involved with a company (Regenexx) that was censured by the FDA for false (stem cell application) information on their website. So, What makes him an expert on viruses?
The Dr is an unbiased source. IF YOU WOULD LISTEN to the Dr you could decide for yourself. He's a much better souce than CNN and all the other known propaganda sources. In spite of the fact that Bongino is the vehicle by which you get the tranfer of information, you SHOULD BE ABLE TO DISCERN FACT FROM FICTION. When I want to know something, I don't ask on this board. I go get real information from real sources. If you don't want to listen to any of this, fine. Don't. I was asked nicely to provide my sources. I did.
I have no problem watching and discerning fact from fiction .... and, yes, he is an unbiased source but with no more information than a regular Dr. (off the street), who has had NO experience with contagious diseases....NOW, if you want to promote facts, perhaps you should listen to Dr. Fauci ..... I have watched several of your Dan BamBoozle videos and he is nothing more than a promotor of "opinions" ....not facts!
Peggy {OregonBR} since you are all up to date about the coronavirus and watch alot of videos with Dan B, tell us how this Virus works,my understanding is that it works on the Low immune systems ones with underlying issues, so the ones that have died because of the Coronavirus but had underlying issue the CV is not the blame then? I know you have alot of information so expalin then..So the news media is all false as some are saying?
Edited: the reason I'm asking you this is that you like txbredbr post about the media being false. So just wondering.
The Italian death toll is so high because they did absolutely ZIP to stop bringing possibly infected people into the country. The people that died usually had underlying other serious medical conditions AND were older elderly. The doctor brings up the cruise ship. Contained environment, all the people were assumably exposed but only a few died. They tested every single person on that ship.
I have never heard of this person untill you started posting about his videos, who is he exactly? I dont watch videos so thank you but no thank you, I just dont have the patience to sit that long, LOL.
I thought maybe you yourself could have explain how this coronavirus is working and the twisted media.
Serious question. Why should I spend my time gathering my sources for you when you throw it back in my face? Do the research yourself. Stop being lazy. I don't come here for factual information. I come to visit and read. If I can help, I do. I'm serious about having facts. I marvel that people come here expecting to get any factual information from people too lazy to go find facts. This pertains to horses as well. I don't ask the people here unless it's an opinion I'm after. Market research.
Serious question. Why should I spend my time gathering my sources for you when you throw it back in my face? Do the research yourself. Stop being lazy. I don't come here for factual information. I come to visit and read. If I can help, I do. I'm serious about having facts. I marvel that people come here expecting to get any factual information from people too lazy to go find facts. This pertains to horses as well. I don't ask the people here unless it's an opinion I'm after. Market research.
Really? are you calling Roxie lazy because she asked you a question? Some how, I would suppose that since you continually put yourself out here on this forum as some"kind" of expert and continually post Dan BamBoozle videos, more or less, as facts, she thought you "might" have an honest answer to her questions .....
Serious question. Why should I spend my time gathering my sources for you when you throw it back in my face? Do the research yourself. Stop being lazy. I don't come here for factual information. I come to visit and read. If I can help, I do. I'm serious about having facts. I marvel that people come here expecting to get any factual information from people too lazy to go find facts. This pertains to horses as well. I don't ask the people here unless it's an opinion I'm after. Market research.
Really? are you calling Roxie lazy because she asked you a question? Some how, I would suppose that since you continually put yourself out here on this forum as some"kind" of expert and continually post Dan BamBoozle videos, more or less, as facts, she thought you "might" have an honest answer to her questions .....
No. Because she and many others REFUSE to make the effort to even read or listen to the information provided. Any who are you to question anything. You never provide anything to a conversation. You only tear down what others try to do.
Serious question. Why should I spend my time gathering my sources for you when you throw it back in my face? Do the research yourself. Stop being lazy. I don't come here for factual information. I come to visit and read. If I can help, I do. I'm serious about having facts. I marvel that people come here expecting to get any factual information from people too lazy to go find facts. This pertains to horses as well. I don't ask the people here unless it's an opinion I'm after. Market research.
LOL, not lazy here at all, just dont have the patience to sit and watch videos, I knew that you watch alot of videos and thought maybe you could just tell me something off the top of your head. As to why the media is twisting things around and if its truly the Coronavirus thats causing the deaths of these people are if its really just the underlying issues these poeple had that killed them instead of the virus and if the media is really blowing this coronavirus out of proportion, sorry if I ticked you off, I just thought you were in the know more. I didnt know that you were going to post another video, my bad, LOL
Serious question. Why should I spend my time gathering my sources for you when you throw it back in my face? Do the research yourself. Stop being lazy. I don't come here for factual information. I come to visit and read. If I can help, I do. I'm serious about having facts. I marvel that people come here expecting to get any factual information from people too lazy to go find facts. This pertains to horses as well. I don't ask the people here unless it's an opinion I'm after. Market research.
Really? are you calling Roxie lazy because she asked you a question? Some how, I would suppose that since you continually put yourself out here on this forum as some"kind" of expert and continually post Dan BamBoozle videos, more or less, as facts, she thought you "might" have an honest answer to her questions .....
No. Because she and many others REFUSE to make the effort to even read or listen to the information provided. Any who are you to question anything. You never provide anything to a conversation. You only tear down what others try to do.
Yeh .... right ..... if I post, it is FACTS.... unlike most on here ..... hence the name "fact checker" ...... LOL
Serious question. Why should I spend my time gathering my sources for you when you throw it back in my face? Do the research yourself. Stop being lazy. I don't come here for factual information. I come to visit and read. If I can help, I do. I'm serious about having facts. I marvel that people come here expecting to get any factual information from people too lazy to go find facts. This pertains to horses as well. I don't ask the people here unless it's an opinion I'm after. Market research.
Really? are you calling Roxie lazy because she asked you a question? Some how, I would suppose that since you continually put yourself out here on this forum as some"kind" of expert and continually post Dan BamBoozle videos, more or less, as facts, she thought you "might" have an honest answer to her questions .....
No. Because she and many others REFUSE to make the effort to even read or listen to the information provided. Any who are you to question anything. You never provide anything to a conversation. You only tear down what others try to do.
Yeh .... right ..... if I post, it is FACTS.... unlike most on here ..... hence the name "fact checker" ...... LOL
You are Da* good at checking facts and most dont like it because you will check facts,
Serious question. Why should I spend my time gathering my sources for you when you throw it back in my face? Do the research yourself. Stop being lazy. I don't come here for factual information. I come to visit and read. If I can help, I do. I'm serious about having facts. I marvel that people come here expecting to get any factual information from people too lazy to go find facts. This pertains to horses as well. I don't ask the people here unless it's an opinion I'm after. Market research.
Really? are you calling Roxie lazy because she asked you a question? Some how, I would suppose that since you continually put yourself out here on this forum as some"kind" of expert and continually post Dan BamBoozle videos, more or less, as facts, she thought you "might" have an honest answer to her questions .....
No. Because she and many others REFUSE to make the effort to even read or listen to the information provided. Any who are you to question anything. You never provide anything to a conversation. You only tear down what others try to do.
Yeh .... right ..... if I post, it is FACTS.... unlike most on here ..... hence the name "fact checker" ...... LOL
You are Da* good at checking facts and most dont like it because you will check facts,
LOL ..... I fact Checked ..... and Roxie ..... YOU are NOT lazy ...... you just don't have time, in your day, to sit and watch the nonsense of Dan BamBoozle .....
I just glanced at this thread and started reading backwards, and I gave up trying to find out what the important question or issue is. So, if someone has a question maybe I can help. What's all the cat fighting about?
I offered to try to answer questions on the other thread, and not that many seemed to have any.
I just glanced at this thread and started reading backwards, and I gave up trying to find out what the important question or issue is. So, if someone has a question maybe I can help. What's all the cat fighting about?
I offered to try to answer questions on the other thread, and not that many seemed to have any.
I just glanced at this thread and started reading backwards, and I gave up trying to find out what the important question or issue is. So, if someone has a question maybe I can help. What's all the cat fighting about?
I offered to try to answer questions on the other thread, and not that many seemed to have any.
My parents are in their 70s. Overall, they are fairly healthy. Chandler and Laura live with them. She's a nurse in ICU; there have been 3 cases in their hospital today alone. She isn't working with them as of now but feels she will be in contact with them soon. How worried should I be about Momma and Daddy? Also, what precautions should she take before coming home? (She stays in an apartment during her rotation in LA, then comes home to AR when she works off.) I'm not scared for myself but am using wipes and Germex and Lysol at the office religiously. I'm staying away from Momma and Daddy for now simply because I AM out and about around the public daily. Just want to make sure what we each should be doing as a family to keep them safe. Thanks in advance for your advice, Mr Scott.
I just glanced at this thread and started reading backwards, and I gave up trying to find out what the important question or issue is. So, if someone has a question maybe I can help. What's all the cat fighting about?
I offered to try to answer questions on the other thread, and not that many seemed to have any.
I've seen so much arguing on Facebook and here too... arguing over who is right , who has real facts and who is fake news ... I'm summing it up to everyone being stuck at home, nerves are shot .. there is SOOOO much misinformation being spread out there ... my sister sent me a panic text.. saying the military was coming to make sure everyone stayed home ... my husband got the same photo of a paper saying the same thing... I told her to relax. You cannot believe everything being tossed around, especially on Facebook! It's scary and unnerving enough without all the fluff.... I told everyone... if your sentence begins with "I heard " I will stop you right there ... when i want information i will go to my source... i check in on CDC and flip on the news occasionally... I'm plum wore out of worrying about it, I will admit I was glued to my tv in the very beginning and reading on my phone all day ... worst thing EVER. Stepping away from it has been good ... watching movies on Netflix with my kiddos instead since it's raining we cant go outside ... checking in here and occasionally looking at Facebook is all I'm really doing. Trying to stay positive and spread positive to a few people I see losing it on Facebook... i have good news.. our grocery store was fully stocked this afternoon.. my husband got out with a full buggy and was able to get everything on my list.. I hope its beginning to settle down and slow down now... and this was the store in the biggest town he went to.
Edited to add... I didnt mean to quote you Bear...
I just glanced at this thread and started reading backwards, and I gave up trying to find out what the important question or issue is. So, if someone has a question maybe I can help. What's all the cat fighting about?
I offered to try to answer questions on the other thread, and not that many seemed to have any.
My parents are in their 70s. Overall, they are fairly healthy. Chandler and Laura live with them. She's a nurse in ICU; there have been 3 cases in their hospital today alone. She isn't working with them as of now but feels she will be in contact with them soon. How worried should I be about Momma and Daddy? Also, what precautions should she take before coming home? (She stays in an apartment during her rotation in LA, then comes home to AR when she works off.) I'm not scared for myself but am using wipes and Germex and Lysol at the office religiously. I'm staying away from Momma and Daddy for now simply because I AM out and about around the public daily. Just want to make sure what we each should be doing as a family to keep them safe. Thanks in advance for your advice, Mr Scott.
Very good questions. How can we have some semblance of normalcy, but still go about our daily lives? I live in a very small town (800 population), very rural area. I think a lot of us have the not us mentality. My father is not in great health so I'm keeping my distance from him. I'm shopping locally, staying away from gatherings. Washing my hands, disinfecting, etc. is this enough? Part of me feels very hopeless!
Thank you to all the nurses, doctors, retail workers, and all other people on the front lines. Many prayers for your safety and health!
I think Florida will be interesting to watch sort of like the canary in the coal mine. Since they want all that travel money and they have so many elderly I think we will get to see what happens pretty soon. Not happy they are going to spread it all over the country but I do like free will. IDK
We will see if the states made the right decision. I am just so happy I don't live in the era of 3 TV channels and newspaper for news. You all may hate the press but I like being informed, especially with society changing daily. I would be climbing the walls with out it. However my house would be clean and horses not be muddy, for no one to see.
i do live in florida my hood is maye 35 homes veral rural accros the bay about 3 miles by bike or golfcart is about 200 home and a public beach
abet a small oone. it was packed this weekend i ride over there and about everyday usually a small bunch on beach plus everyone on cart walking or riding
most of us are above 50 our eldery the neigbhors are getting them what they need. my caregiver who is here 1 hr a day works at a nursing home home
most of
is locked down no vistors temps taken before you enter most of us say its just the dam flu
I just glanced at this thread and started reading backwards, and I gave up trying to find out what the important question or issue is. So, if someone has a question maybe I can help. What's all the cat fighting about?
I offered to try to answer questions on the other thread, and not that many seemed to have any.
I've seen so much arguing on Facebook and here too... arguing over who is right , who has real facts and who is fake news ... I'm summing it up to everyone being stuck at home, nerves are shot .. there is SOOOO much misinformation being spread out there ... my sister sent me a panic text.. saying the military was coming to make sure everyone stayed home ... my husband got the same photo of a paper saying the same thing... I told her to relax. You cannot believe everything being tossed around, especially on Facebook! It's scary and unnerving enough without all the fluff.... I told everyone... if your sentence begins with "I heard " I will stop you right there ... when i want information i will go to my source... i check in on CDC and flip on the news occasionally... I'm plum wore out of worrying about it, I will admit I was glued to my tv in the very beginning and reading on my phone all day ... worst thing EVER. Stepping away from it has been good ... watching movies on Netflix with my kiddos instead since it's raining we cant go outside ... checking in here and occasionally looking at Facebook is all I'm really doing. Trying to stay positive and spread positive to a few people I see losing it on Facebook... i have good news.. our grocery store was fully stocked this afternoon.. my husband got out with a full buggy and was able to get everything on my list.. I hope its beginning to settle down and slow down now... and this was the store in the biggest town he went to.
Edited to add... I didnt mean to quote you Bear...
Last night at W-M I was SHOCKED at the empty bins and limits. But today at our local grocery store (town of around 3500) Sean was able to get everything we needed minus Clorox wipes and Germex. I felt better, but we're hearing all kinds of "street talk" about possible shutdowns in our town starting Monday, so not sure what to believe. I did close early today (I'm an accountant and own my own business, just 3 of us in the office), but God willing I'll be back at work Monday. We're going to get our regular run of horse feed tomorrow, so humans, horses, and dogs should be set for awhile.
As I'm sitting here thinking things over I come up with more questions. Are there things we can do for the front line people to help out? Is there something we can do for the nurses, doctors, medical staff, laboratory people, retail workers? Anything to help them out? I'm sure there are folks behind the scenes that need help with day to day things we could do to ease their work loads. Things we take for granted. Are there charitable organizations that could use help. I want to help if I can.
As I'm sitting here thinking things over I come up with more questions. Are there things we can do for the front line people to help out? Is there something we can do for the nurses, doctors, medical staff, laboratory people, retail workers? Anything to help them out? I'm sure there are folks behind the scenes that need help with day to day things we could do to ease their work loads. Things we take for granted. Are there charitable organizations that could use help. I want to help if I can.
And this is the attitude that will help us move forward during this trying time. . .
Bear {Scott} I have a honest question, I did ask but it didnt work out since I hate watching videos. My sons wife has Lupus and I really worry about this because she works at a clinic in San Marcos where she does drawing blood for the older folks, Brenda's Lupus really is being hard on her, so shes a high risk too and I saw a few posts on here that Coronavirus is not what causes a death, they are saying its the underlying issue that will be the cause of death not the coronavirus itself, does the Coronavirus attack the low immune systems of people that have underlying issues? Like when the person gets this virus and has Lupus can this virus cause the Lupus to go into high gear and cause her illness to get worst? I thought that I understood that the virus is what causes death, even if there is a underlying issue would the virus still be the cause of someone passing away if they get it?
And do you think the media is over reacting, I know some media I dont give a rats hinny about but the ones I do watch as in Fox I really pay attention to what they say, and when Gov. Greg Abbott comes on I really really listen to what he has to say. I really dont think hes over reacting, hes trying to get word out there for us and wants to protect us all by getting bars, restaurants, schools to close down. I just would like your take on all this. And I'm 62 so I'm taking this all very serious as most are on here, I know some think this is all blown out of proportion, but I think they should take this more serious.
I just glanced at this thread and started reading backwards, and I gave up trying to find out what the important question or issue is. So, if someone has a question maybe I can help. What's all the cat fighting about?
I offered to try to answer questions on the other thread, and not that many seemed to have any.
My parents are in their 70s. Overall, they are fairly healthy. Chandler and Laura live with them. She's a nurse in ICU; there have been 3 cases in their hospital today alone. She isn't working with them as of now but feels she will be in contact with them soon. How worried should I be about Momma and Daddy? Also, what precautions should she take before coming home? (She stays in an apartment during her rotation in LA, then comes home to AR when she works off.) I'm not scared for myself but am using wipes and Germex and Lysol at the office religiously. I'm staying away from Momma and Daddy for now simply because I AM out and about around the public daily. Just want to make sure what we each should be doing as a family to keep them safe. Thanks in advance for your advice, Mr Scott.
Very good questions. How can we have some semblance of normalcy, but still go about our daily lives? I live in a very small town (800 population), very rural area. I think a lot of us have the not us mentality. My father is not in great health so I'm keeping my distance from him. I'm shopping locally, staying away from gatherings. Washing my hands, disinfecting, etc. is this enough? Part of me feels very hopeless!
Thank you to all the nurses, doctors, retail workers, and all other people on the front lines. Many prayers for your safety and health!
Bear {Scott} I have a honest question, I did ask but it didnt work out since I hate watching videos. My sons wife has Lupus and I really worry about this because she works at a clinic in San Marcos where she does drawing blood for the older folks, Brenda's Lupus really is being hard on her, so shes a high risk too and I saw a few posts on here that Coronavirus is not what causes a death, they are saying its the underlying issue that will be the cause of death not the coronavirus itself, does the Coronavirus attack the low immune systems of people that have underlying issues? Like when the person gets this virus and has Lupus can this virus cause the Lupus to go into high gear and cause her illness to get worst? I thought that I understood that the virus is what causes death, even if there is a underlying issue would the virus still be the cause of someone passing away if they get it?
And do you think the media is over reacting, I know some media I dont give a rats hinny about but the ones I do watch as in Fox I really pay attention to what they say, and when Gov. Greg Abbott comes on I really really listen to what he has to say. I really dont think hes over reacting, hes trying to get word out there for us and wants to protect us all by getting bars, restaurants, schools to close down. I just would like your take on all this. And I'm 62 so I'm taking this all very serious as most are on here, I know some think this is all blown out of proportion, but I think they should take this more serious.
At this point we have no choice but to assume this is a dangerous pandemic. The reason I say this is because this is a "novel" virus, meaning it is new, and, as such, we simply are in uncharted territory and we have no way of predicting an end point. In the end, it may turn out that we grossly overreacted, but we can't afford to minimize this pandemic. In the beginning, even many experts varied in their opinions, but over a few weeks time, the consensus was that our approach is the better part of valor. At the same time, political opportunists are not wasting time pointing fingers and looking for "experts" who will send the message of a doomsday scenario. Some attempt to continue to fan the flames of fear, doom, and gloom. If you watch the badgering of governors, members of the coronavirus response team, and the president, they are repeatedly asking variations of similar questions, for which they know there are no answers. Questions like this: "Can you tell us when Americans can feel safe again?" "Can you tell the American people when they can get a test if they want one?" "Can you guarantee that everything possible is being done?" "When will Americans be able to resume normalcy?" "Do you think calling it the Chinese Coronavirus is offensive and racist?" Those are the sorts of things you see in press conferences....and they come in a constant flurry every day. Dr Fauci has been a godsend in addressing many of these sorts of things. As to someone with Lupus, the reason they are at increased risk is they are immune suppressed. First, the chronic underlying disease effects the immune system. Also, most people with Lupus are on drugs that suppress the immune system. COVID-19 kills by causing severe pneumonia and respiratory distress syndrome. In addition, it causes a severe reaction called a "cytokine storm". You have to look it up to learn more about it, but basically it is a result of inflammatory mediators from white blood cells, like interferon and tumor necrosis factor and many many others. They cause: fever, fatigue, loss of appetite, muscle and joint pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, rashes, fast breathing, rapid heartbeat, low blood pressure, seizures, headache, confusion, delirium, hallucinations, tremor, and loss of coordination. It's like a combination of a bad flu and an allergic reaction. Ultimately it can cause respiratory failure and shock. A lot of drugs under trial work by blocking that "cytokine storm". Others work by helping eliminate or even kill the virus.
I'll try to answer your question another way. If someone goes into septic shock from a bacterial infection and they go into renal failure and die as a direct result of that, the underlying cause of death would be septic shock.
ETA: I neglected to answer your question more precisely. Most likely, a patient with Lupus who dies while infected with this coronavirus, dies from the virus itself, rather than a flare up of Lupus.
Posted 2020-03-21 9:07 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Bear - 2020-03-20 10:59 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-20 9:53 PM
Bear {Scott} I have a honest question, I did ask but it didnt work out since I hate watching videos. My sons wife has Lupus and I really worry about this because she works at a clinic in San Marcos where she does drawing blood for the older folks, Brenda's Lupus really is being hard on her, so shes a high risk too and I saw a few posts on here that Coronavirus is not what causes a death, they are saying its the underlying issue that will be the cause of death not the coronavirus itself, does the Coronavirus attack the low immune systems of people that have underlying issues? Like when the person gets this virus and has Lupus can this virus cause the Lupus to go into high gear and cause her illness to get worst? I thought that I understood that the virus is what causes death, even if there is a underlying issue would the virus still be the cause of someone passing away if they get it?
And do you think the media is over reacting, I know some media I dont give a rats hinny about but the ones I do watch as in Fox I really pay attention to what they say, and when Gov. Greg Abbott comes on I really really listen to what he has to say. I really dont think hes over reacting, hes trying to get word out there for us and wants to protect us all by getting bars, restaurants, schools to close down. I just would like your take on all this. And I'm 62 so I'm taking this all very serious as most are on here, I know some think this is all blown out of proportion, but I think they should take this more serious.
At this point we have no choice but to assume this is a dangerous pandemic. The reason I say this is because this is a "novel" virus, meaning it is new, and, as such, we simply are in uncharted territory and we have no way of predicting an end point. In the end, it may turn out that we grossly overreacted, but we can't afford to minimize this pandemic. In the beginning, even many experts varied in their opinions, but over a few weeks time, the consensus was that our approach is the better part of valor. At the same time, political opportunists are not wasting time pointing fingers and looking for "experts" who will send the message of a doomsday scenario. Some attempt to continue to fan the flames of fear, doom, and gloom. If you watch the badgering of governors, members of the coronavirus response team, and the president, they are repeatedly asking variations of similar questions, for which they know there are no answers. Questions like this: "Can you tell us when Americans can feel safe again?" "Can you tell the American people when they can get a test if they want one?" "Can you guarantee that everything possible is being done?" "When will Americans be able to resume normalcy?" "Do you think calling it the Chinese Coronavirus is offensive and racist?" Those are the sorts of things you see in press conferences....and they come in a constant flurry every day. Dr Fauci has been a godsend in addressing many of these sorts of things. As to someone with Lupus, the reason they are at increased risk is they are immune suppressed. First, the chronic underlying disease effects the immune system. Also, most people with Lupus are on drugs that suppress the immune system. COVID-19 kills by causing severe pneumonia and respiratory distress syndrome. In addition, it causes a severe reaction called a "cytokine storm". You have to look it up to learn more about it, but basically it is a result of inflammatory mediators from white blood cells, like interferon and tumor necrosis factor and many many others. They cause: fever, fatigue, loss of appetite, muscle and joint pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, rashes, fast breathing, rapid heartbeat, low blood pressure, seizures, headache, confusion, delirium, hallucinations, tremor, and loss of coordination. It's like a combination of a bad flu and an allergic reaction. Ultimately it can cause respiratory failure and shock. A lot of drugs under trial work by blocking that "cytokine storm". Others work by helping eliminate or even kill the virus.
I'll try to answer your question another way. If someone goes into septic shock from a bacterial infection and they go into renal failure and die as a direct result of that, the underlying cause of death would be septic shock.
ETA: I neglected to answer your question more precisely. Most likely, a patient with Lupus who dies while infected with this coronavirus, dies from the virus itself, rather than a flare up of Lupus.
Scott......I just want to thank you ...... I think this is the type of posts that we are all looking for .... REAL answers.....I know people ask the same questions over and over but I think they just want or "need" reassurance. You have always been forthcoming and helpful on this board (even though you mock me .... LOL). I know that when my hubby was having problems, I called YOU for answers !!!
Posted 2020-03-21 10:07 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Bear - 2020-03-20 10:59 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-20 9:53 PM
Bear {Scott} I have a honest question, I did ask but it didnt work out since I hate watching videos. My sons wife has Lupus and I really worry about this because she works at a clinic in San Marcos where she does drawing blood for the older folks, Brenda's Lupus really is being hard on her, so shes a high risk too and I saw a few posts on here that Coronavirus is not what causes a death, they are saying its the underlying issue that will be the cause of death not the coronavirus itself, does the Coronavirus attack the low immune systems of people that have underlying issues? Like when the person gets this virus and has Lupus can this virus cause the Lupus to go into high gear and cause her illness to get worst? I thought that I understood that the virus is what causes death, even if there is a underlying issue would the virus still be the cause of someone passing away if they get it?
And do you think the media is over reacting, I know some media I dont give a rats hinny about but the ones I do watch as in Fox I really pay attention to what they say, and when Gov. Greg Abbott comes on I really really listen to what he has to say. I really dont think hes over reacting, hes trying to get word out there for us and wants to protect us all by getting bars, restaurants, schools to close down. I just would like your take on all this. And I'm 62 so I'm taking this all very serious as most are on here, I know some think this is all blown out of proportion, but I think they should take this more serious.
At this point we have no choice but to assume this is a dangerous pandemic. The reason I say this is because this is a "novel" virus, meaning it is new, and, as such, we simply are in uncharted territory and we have no way of predicting an end point. In the end, it may turn out that we grossly overreacted, but we can't afford to minimize this pandemic. In the beginning, even many experts varied in their opinions, but over a few weeks time, the consensus was that our approach is the better part of valor. At the same time, political opportunists are not wasting time pointing fingers and looking for "experts" who will send the message of a doomsday scenario. Some attempt to continue to fan the flames of fear, doom, and gloom. If you watch the badgering of governors, members of the coronavirus response team, and the president, they are repeatedly asking variations of similar questions, for which they know there are no answers. Questions like this: "Can you tell us when Americans can feel safe again?" "Can you tell the American people when they can get a test if they want one?" "Can you guarantee that everything possible is being done?" "When will Americans be able to resume normalcy?" "Do you think calling it the Chinese Coronavirus is offensive and racist?" Those are the sorts of things you see in press conferences....and they come in a constant flurry every day. Dr Fauci has been a godsend in addressing many of these sorts of things. As to someone with Lupus, the reason they are at increased risk is they are immune suppressed. First, the chronic underlying disease effects the immune system. Also, most people with Lupus are on drugs that suppress the immune system. COVID-19 kills by causing severe pneumonia and respiratory distress syndrome. In addition, it causes a severe reaction called a "cytokine storm". You have to look it up to learn more about it, but basically it is a result of inflammatory mediators from white blood cells, like interferon and tumor necrosis factor and many many others. They cause: fever, fatigue, loss of appetite, muscle and joint pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, rashes, fast breathing, rapid heartbeat, low blood pressure, seizures, headache, confusion, delirium, hallucinations, tremor, and loss of coordination. It's like a combination of a bad flu and an allergic reaction. Ultimately it can cause respiratory failure and shock. A lot of drugs under trial work by blocking that "cytokine storm". Others work by helping eliminate or even kill the virus.
I'll try to answer your question another way. If someone goes into septic shock from a bacterial infection and they go into renal failure and die as a direct result of that, the underlying cause of death would be septic shock.
ETA: I neglected to answer your question more precisely. Most likely, a patient with Lupus who dies while infected with this coronavirus, dies from the virus itself, rather than a flare up of Lupus.
Thank you thank you Scott, this is the kind of answer I was looking for, I was sure I was thinking in the right direction, but then not so sure, this is a scary thing happening for the ones out there that have these low immune systems and other issues that are high risk such as yours,Carols my DIL, my grandbaby girl {Sterling} and all the others out there, I dont give a rats hinny about me I just want my family to stay healthy as yours and everybody else out there. Please everybody follow orders and use comom sense..
Posted 2020-03-21 10:09 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas
NJJ - 2020-03-21 9:07 AM
Bear - 2020-03-20 10:59 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-20 9:53 PM
Bear {Scott} I have a honest question, I did ask but it didnt work out since I hate watching videos. My sons wife has Lupus and I really worry about this because she works at a clinic in San Marcos where she does drawing blood for the older folks, Brenda's Lupus really is being hard on her, so shes a high risk too and I saw a few posts on here that Coronavirus is not what causes a death, they are saying its the underlying issue that will be the cause of death not the coronavirus itself, does the Coronavirus attack the low immune systems of people that have underlying issues? Like when the person gets this virus and has Lupus can this virus cause the Lupus to go into high gear and cause her illness to get worst? I thought that I understood that the virus is what causes death, even if there is a underlying issue would the virus still be the cause of someone passing away if they get it?
And do you think the media is over reacting, I know some media I dont give a rats hinny about but the ones I do watch as in Fox I really pay attention to what they say, and when Gov. Greg Abbott comes on I really really listen to what he has to say. I really dont think hes over reacting, hes trying to get word out there for us and wants to protect us all by getting bars, restaurants, schools to close down. I just would like your take on all this. And I'm 62 so I'm taking this all very serious as most are on here, I know some think this is all blown out of proportion, but I think they should take this more serious.
At this point we have no choice but to assume this is a dangerous pandemic. The reason I say this is because this is a "novel" virus, meaning it is new, and, as such, we simply are in uncharted territory and we have no way of predicting an end point. In the end, it may turn out that we grossly overreacted, but we can't afford to minimize this pandemic. In the beginning, even many experts varied in their opinions, but over a few weeks time, the consensus was that our approach is the better part of valor. At the same time, political opportunists are not wasting time pointing fingers and looking for "experts" who will send the message of a doomsday scenario. Some attempt to continue to fan the flames of fear, doom, and gloom. If you watch the badgering of governors, members of the coronavirus response team, and the president, they are repeatedly asking variations of similar questions, for which they know there are no answers. Questions like this: "Can you tell us when Americans can feel safe again?" "Can you tell the American people when they can get a test if they want one?" "Can you guarantee that everything possible is being done?" "When will Americans be able to resume normalcy?" "Do you think calling it the Chinese Coronavirus is offensive and racist?" Those are the sorts of things you see in press conferences....and they come in a constant flurry every day. Dr Fauci has been a godsend in addressing many of these sorts of things. As to someone with Lupus, the reason they are at increased risk is they are immune suppressed. First, the chronic underlying disease effects the immune system. Also, most people with Lupus are on drugs that suppress the immune system. COVID-19 kills by causing severe pneumonia and respiratory distress syndrome. In addition, it causes a severe reaction called a "cytokine storm". You have to look it up to learn more about it, but basically it is a result of inflammatory mediators from white blood cells, like interferon and tumor necrosis factor and many many others. They cause: fever, fatigue, loss of appetite, muscle and joint pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, rashes, fast breathing, rapid heartbeat, low blood pressure, seizures, headache, confusion, delirium, hallucinations, tremor, and loss of coordination. It's like a combination of a bad flu and an allergic reaction. Ultimately it can cause respiratory failure and shock. A lot of drugs under trial work by blocking that "cytokine storm". Others work by helping eliminate or even kill the virus.
I'll try to answer your question another way. If someone goes into septic shock from a bacterial infection and they go into renal failure and die as a direct result of that, the underlying cause of death would be septic shock.
ETA: I neglected to answer your question more precisely. Most likely, a patient with Lupus who dies while infected with this coronavirus, dies from the virus itself, rather than a flare up of Lupus.
Scott......I just want to thank you ...... I think this is the type of posts that we are all looking for .... REAL answers.....I know people ask the same questions over and over but I think they just want or "need" reassurance. You have always been forthcoming and helpful on this board (even though you mock me .... LOL). I know that when my hubby was having problems, I called YOU for answers !!!
Posted 2020-03-21 10:32 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Posts: 4400
Heres a question.... Do vitamin C, zinc, elderberry and echinacea supplements really help with boosting the immune system? I stocked up when Jacob was going thru chemo.. tried to order some the other day and everything, everywhere is on backorder ... I did manage to get some vitamin c (I almost typed in pellets) pills but not available till next week off of Amazon. I should have known.... you cant find them in the store .... or hydrogen peroxide... I like to use HP to clean around my house and bathrooms ... i did happen to find a source online though so i ordered up on that and a few bottles of hand sani (as my 8yr old son refers to it lol)
Heres a question.... Do vitamin C, zinc, elderberry and echinacea supplements really help with boosting the immune system? I stocked up when Jacob was going thru chemo.. tried to order some the other day and everything, everywhere is on backorder ... I did manage to get some vitamin c (I almost typed in pellets) pills but not available till next week off of Amazon. I should have known.... you cant find them in the store .... or hydrogen peroxide... I like to use HP to clean around my house and bathrooms ... i did happen to find a source online though so i ordered up on that and a few bottles of hand sani (as my 8yr old son refers to it lol)
It doesn't hurt to do all of those things. It's not a panacea, though. There is some evidence that zinc may be helpful with viral illness. Don't go overboard, because there is such a thing as zinc toxicity. I like zinc lozenges because zinc in the mouth can prevent viruses from sticking to the oral mucosa. Suck on 2-3 of these throughout the day....like cough drops. My wife pumps vitamins in me like crazy, even though I pi$$ and moan about her nagging. I figure it's a cheap, reasonable hedge. You can get toxicity from too much of certain vitamins, so be mindful of that.
Bear {Scott} I have a honest question, I did ask but it didnt work out since I hate watching videos. My sons wife has Lupus and I really worry about this because she works at a clinic in San Marcos where she does drawing blood for the older folks, Brenda's Lupus really is being hard on her, so shes a high risk too and I saw a few posts on here that Coronavirus is not what causes a death, they are saying its the underlying issue that will be the cause of death not the coronavirus itself, does the Coronavirus attack the low immune systems of people that have underlying issues? Like when the person gets this virus and has Lupus can this virus cause the Lupus to go into high gear and cause her illness to get worst? I thought that I understood that the virus is what causes death, even if there is a underlying issue would the virus still be the cause of someone passing away if they get it?
And do you think the media is over reacting, I know some media I dont give a rats hinny about but the ones I do watch as in Fox I really pay attention to what they say, and when Gov. Greg Abbott comes on I really really listen to what he has to say. I really dont think hes over reacting, hes trying to get word out there for us and wants to protect us all by getting bars, restaurants, schools to close down. I just would like your take on all this. And I'm 62 so I'm taking this all very serious as most are on here, I know some think this is all blown out of proportion, but I think they should take this more serious.
At this point we have no choice but to assume this is a dangerous pandemic. The reason I say this is because this is a "novel" virus, meaning it is new, and, as such, we simply are in uncharted territory and we have no way of predicting an end point. In the end, it may turn out that we grossly overreacted, but we can't afford to minimize this pandemic. In the beginning, even many experts varied in their opinions, but over a few weeks time, the consensus was that our approach is the better part of valor. At the same time, political opportunists are not wasting time pointing fingers and looking for "experts" who will send the message of a doomsday scenario. Some attempt to continue to fan the flames of fear, doom, and gloom. If you watch the badgering of governors, members of the coronavirus response team, and the president, they are repeatedly asking variations of similar questions, for which they know there are no answers. Questions like this: "Can you tell us when Americans can feel safe again?" "Can you tell the American people when they can get a test if they want one?" "Can you guarantee that everything possible is being done?" "When will Americans be able to resume normalcy?" "Do you think calling it the Chinese Coronavirus is offensive and racist?" Those are the sorts of things you see in press conferences....and they come in a constant flurry every day. Dr Fauci has been a godsend in addressing many of these sorts of things. As to someone with Lupus, the reason they are at increased risk is they are immune suppressed. First, the chronic underlying disease effects the immune system. Also, most people with Lupus are on drugs that suppress the immune system. COVID-19 kills by causing severe pneumonia and respiratory distress syndrome. In addition, it causes a severe reaction called a "cytokine storm". You have to look it up to learn more about it, but basically it is a result of inflammatory mediators from white blood cells, like interferon and tumor necrosis factor and many many others. They cause: fever, fatigue, loss of appetite, muscle and joint pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, rashes, fast breathing, rapid heartbeat, low blood pressure, seizures, headache, confusion, delirium, hallucinations, tremor, and loss of coordination. It's like a combination of a bad flu and an allergic reaction. Ultimately it can cause respiratory failure and shock. A lot of drugs under trial work by blocking that "cytokine storm". Others work by helping eliminate or even kill the virus.
I'll try to answer your question another way. If someone goes into septic shock from a bacterial infection and they go into renal failure and die as a direct result of that, the underlying cause of death would be septic shock.
ETA: I neglected to answer your question more precisely. Most likely, a patient with Lupus who dies while infected with this coronavirus, dies from the virus itself, rather than a flare up of Lupus.
The first case is now at St Francis, where Laura works. She has volunteered to quarantine herself in her apartment---she and Chan live with Momma and Daddy (70s, some health issues, but overall healthy); what do you think she should do???? This is my greatest worry right now
Bear {Scott} I have a honest question, I did ask but it didnt work out since I hate watching videos. My sons wife has Lupus and I really worry about this because she works at a clinic in San Marcos where she does drawing blood for the older folks, Brenda's Lupus really is being hard on her, so shes a high risk too and I saw a few posts on here that Coronavirus is not what causes a death, they are saying its the underlying issue that will be the cause of death not the coronavirus itself, does the Coronavirus attack the low immune systems of people that have underlying issues? Like when the person gets this virus and has Lupus can this virus cause the Lupus to go into high gear and cause her illness to get worst? I thought that I understood that the virus is what causes death, even if there is a underlying issue would the virus still be the cause of someone passing away if they get it?
And do you think the media is over reacting, I know some media I dont give a rats hinny about but the ones I do watch as in Fox I really pay attention to what they say, and when Gov. Greg Abbott comes on I really really listen to what he has to say. I really dont think hes over reacting, hes trying to get word out there for us and wants to protect us all by getting bars, restaurants, schools to close down. I just would like your take on all this. And I'm 62 so I'm taking this all very serious as most are on here, I know some think this is all blown out of proportion, but I think they should take this more serious.
At this point we have no choice but to assume this is a dangerous pandemic. The reason I say this is because this is a "novel" virus, meaning it is new, and, as such, we simply are in uncharted territory and we have no way of predicting an end point. In the end, it may turn out that we grossly overreacted, but we can't afford to minimize this pandemic. In the beginning, even many experts varied in their opinions, but over a few weeks time, the consensus was that our approach is the better part of valor. At the same time, political opportunists are not wasting time pointing fingers and looking for "experts" who will send the message of a doomsday scenario. Some attempt to continue to fan the flames of fear, doom, and gloom. If you watch the badgering of governors, members of the coronavirus response team, and the president, they are repeatedly asking variations of similar questions, for which they know there are no answers. Questions like this: "Can you tell us when Americans can feel safe again?" "Can you tell the American people when they can get a test if they want one?" "Can you guarantee that everything possible is being done?" "When will Americans be able to resume normalcy?" "Do you think calling it the Chinese Coronavirus is offensive and racist?" Those are the sorts of things you see in press conferences....and they come in a constant flurry every day. Dr Fauci has been a godsend in addressing many of these sorts of things. As to someone with Lupus, the reason they are at increased risk is they are immune suppressed. First, the chronic underlying disease effects the immune system. Also, most people with Lupus are on drugs that suppress the immune system. COVID-19 kills by causing severe pneumonia and respiratory distress syndrome. In addition, it causes a severe reaction called a "cytokine storm". You have to look it up to learn more about it, but basically it is a result of inflammatory mediators from white blood cells, like interferon and tumor necrosis factor and many many others. They cause: fever, fatigue, loss of appetite, muscle and joint pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, rashes, fast breathing, rapid heartbeat, low blood pressure, seizures, headache, confusion, delirium, hallucinations, tremor, and loss of coordination. It's like a combination of a bad flu and an allergic reaction. Ultimately it can cause respiratory failure and shock. A lot of drugs under trial work by blocking that "cytokine storm". Others work by helping eliminate or even kill the virus.
I'll try to answer your question another way. If someone goes into septic shock from a bacterial infection and they go into renal failure and die as a direct result of that, the underlying cause of death would be septic shock.
ETA: I neglected to answer your question more precisely. Most likely, a patient with Lupus who dies while infected with this coronavirus, dies from the virus itself, rather than a flare up of Lupus.
The first case is now at St Francis, where Laura works. She has volunteered to quarantine herself in her apartment---she and Chan live with Momma and Daddy (70s, some health issues, but overall healthy); what do you think she should do???? This is my greatest worry right now
Oh no "( now thats got to be scary. Did she come into contact with that person? Or even in the same area?
Bear {Scott} I have a honest question, I did ask but it didnt work out since I hate watching videos. My sons wife has Lupus and I really worry about this because she works at a clinic in San Marcos where she does drawing blood for the older folks, Brenda's Lupus really is being hard on her, so shes a high risk too and I saw a few posts on here that Coronavirus is not what causes a death, they are saying its the underlying issue that will be the cause of death not the coronavirus itself, does the Coronavirus attack the low immune systems of people that have underlying issues? Like when the person gets this virus and has Lupus can this virus cause the Lupus to go into high gear and cause her illness to get worst? I thought that I understood that the virus is what causes death, even if there is a underlying issue would the virus still be the cause of someone passing away if they get it?
And do you think the media is over reacting, I know some media I dont give a rats hinny about but the ones I do watch as in Fox I really pay attention to what they say, and when Gov. Greg Abbott comes on I really really listen to what he has to say. I really dont think hes over reacting, hes trying to get word out there for us and wants to protect us all by getting bars, restaurants, schools to close down. I just would like your take on all this. And I'm 62 so I'm taking this all very serious as most are on here, I know some think this is all blown out of proportion, but I think they should take this more serious.
At this point we have no choice but to assume this is a dangerous pandemic. The reason I say this is because this is a "novel" virus, meaning it is new, and, as such, we simply are in uncharted territory and we have no way of predicting an end point. In the end, it may turn out that we grossly overreacted, but we can't afford to minimize this pandemic. In the beginning, even many experts varied in their opinions, but over a few weeks time, the consensus was that our approach is the better part of valor. At the same time, political opportunists are not wasting time pointing fingers and looking for "experts" who will send the message of a doomsday scenario. Some attempt to continue to fan the flames of fear, doom, and gloom. If you watch the badgering of governors, members of the coronavirus response team, and the president, they are repeatedly asking variations of similar questions, for which they know there are no answers. Questions like this: "Can you tell us when Americans can feel safe again?" "Can you tell the American people when they can get a test if they want one?" "Can you guarantee that everything possible is being done?" "When will Americans be able to resume normalcy?" "Do you think calling it the Chinese Coronavirus is offensive and racist?" Those are the sorts of things you see in press conferences....and they come in a constant flurry every day. Dr Fauci has been a godsend in addressing many of these sorts of things. As to someone with Lupus, the reason they are at increased risk is they are immune suppressed. First, the chronic underlying disease effects the immune system. Also, most people with Lupus are on drugs that suppress the immune system. COVID-19 kills by causing severe pneumonia and respiratory distress syndrome. In addition, it causes a severe reaction called a "cytokine storm". You have to look it up to learn more about it, but basically it is a result of inflammatory mediators from white blood cells, like interferon and tumor necrosis factor and many many others. They cause: fever, fatigue, loss of appetite, muscle and joint pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, rashes, fast breathing, rapid heartbeat, low blood pressure, seizures, headache, confusion, delirium, hallucinations, tremor, and loss of coordination. It's like a combination of a bad flu and an allergic reaction. Ultimately it can cause respiratory failure and shock. A lot of drugs under trial work by blocking that "cytokine storm". Others work by helping eliminate or even kill the virus.
I'll try to answer your question another way. If someone goes into septic shock from a bacterial infection and they go into renal failure and die as a direct result of that, the underlying cause of death would be septic shock.
ETA: I neglected to answer your question more precisely. Most likely, a patient with Lupus who dies while infected with this coronavirus, dies from the virus itself, rather than a flare up of Lupus.
The first case is now at St Francis, where Laura works. She has volunteered to quarantine herself in her apartment---she and Chan live with Momma and Daddy (70s, some health issues, but overall healthy); what do you think she should do???? This is my greatest worry right now
Oh no "( now thats got to be scary. Did she come into contact with that person? Or even in the same area?
No mam, she works in ICU and these patients are upstairs in a special unit I believe.
I am so sorry Chandler's Mom, I think she needs to isolate herself especially from some people. My reason for thinking this is..... I saw one of the Utah Jazz players who tested positive when they first tested on CNN today. He's young and has no symptoms at all, said he felt like he could play 6 games. Which is great news, he has been under quarantine since he could infect others. I think young and healthy people have a much better chance of just infecting others. I'm afraid many won't even know they do and how could they?
I sort of feel sorry for the Spring Break kids, Watching the news wasn't my thing while I was getting ready for vacation when I was young. Many people don't watch the news at all. Seems now it changes daily and people spread crazy rumors as much as real news.
ETA: My advice is only from what I have seen and read I try to avoid Dr's and have NO medical training. I just read and watch a lot.
I am so sorry Chandler's Mom, I think she needs to isolate herself especially from some people. My reason for thinking this is..... I saw one of the Utah Jazz players who tested positive when they first tested on CNN today. He's young and has no symptoms at all, said he felt like he could play 6 games. Which is great news, he has been under quarantine since he could infect others. I think young and healthy people have a much better chance of just infecting others. I'm afraid many won't even know they do and how could they?
I sort of feel sorry for the Spring Break kids, Watching the news wasn't my thing while I was getting ready for vacation when I was young. Many people don't watch the news at all. Seems now it changes daily and people spread crazy rumors as much as real news.
ETA: My advice is only from what I have seen and read I try to avoid Dr's and have NO medical training. I just read and watch a lot.
I told Momma they need to discuss this and decide what to do. Lula Bell works off tomorrow night; I'm not sure of her schedule after that. She and Chandler have been married 3 weeks today; I know they don't want to be separated, and none of us want her to have to stay in Monroe on her off days. . . But they have to all decide the smartest thing to do in this horrible situation.
Posted 2020-03-22 11:20 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas
Chandler's Mom - 2020-03-21 6:40 PM
Bear - 2020-03-20 10:59 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-20 9:53 PM
Bear {Scott} I have a honest question, I did ask but it didnt work out since I hate watching videos. My sons wife has Lupus and I really worry about this because she works at a clinic in San Marcos where she does drawing blood for the older folks, Brenda's Lupus really is being hard on her, so shes a high risk too and I saw a few posts on here that Coronavirus is not what causes a death, they are saying its the underlying issue that will be the cause of death not the coronavirus itself, does the Coronavirus attack the low immune systems of people that have underlying issues? Like when the person gets this virus and has Lupus can this virus cause the Lupus to go into high gear and cause her illness to get worst? I thought that I understood that the virus is what causes death, even if there is a underlying issue would the virus still be the cause of someone passing away if they get it?
And do you think the media is over reacting, I know some media I dont give a rats hinny about but the ones I do watch as in Fox I really pay attention to what they say, and when Gov. Greg Abbott comes on I really really listen to what he has to say. I really dont think hes over reacting, hes trying to get word out there for us and wants to protect us all by getting bars, restaurants, schools to close down. I just would like your take on all this. And I'm 62 so I'm taking this all very serious as most are on here, I know some think this is all blown out of proportion, but I think they should take this more serious.
At this point we have no choice but to assume this is a dangerous pandemic. The reason I say this is because this is a "novel" virus, meaning it is new, and, as such, we simply are in uncharted territory and we have no way of predicting an end point. In the end, it may turn out that we grossly overreacted, but we can't afford to minimize this pandemic. In the beginning, even many experts varied in their opinions, but over a few weeks time, the consensus was that our approach is the better part of valor. At the same time, political opportunists are not wasting time pointing fingers and looking for "experts" who will send the message of a doomsday scenario. Some attempt to continue to fan the flames of fear, doom, and gloom. If you watch the badgering of governors, members of the coronavirus response team, and the president, they are repeatedly asking variations of similar questions, for which they know there are no answers. Questions like this: "Can you tell us when Americans can feel safe again?" "Can you tell the American people when they can get a test if they want one?" "Can you guarantee that everything possible is being done?" "When will Americans be able to resume normalcy?" "Do you think calling it the Chinese Coronavirus is offensive and racist?" Those are the sorts of things you see in press conferences....and they come in a constant flurry every day. Dr Fauci has been a godsend in addressing many of these sorts of things. As to someone with Lupus, the reason they are at increased risk is they are immune suppressed. First, the chronic underlying disease effects the immune system. Also, most people with Lupus are on drugs that suppress the immune system. COVID-19 kills by causing severe pneumonia and respiratory distress syndrome. In addition, it causes a severe reaction called a "cytokine storm". You have to look it up to learn more about it, but basically it is a result of inflammatory mediators from white blood cells, like interferon and tumor necrosis factor and many many others. They cause: fever, fatigue, loss of appetite, muscle and joint pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, rashes, fast breathing, rapid heartbeat, low blood pressure, seizures, headache, confusion, delirium, hallucinations, tremor, and loss of coordination. It's like a combination of a bad flu and an allergic reaction. Ultimately it can cause respiratory failure and shock. A lot of drugs under trial work by blocking that "cytokine storm". Others work by helping eliminate or even kill the virus.
I'll try to answer your question another way. If someone goes into septic shock from a bacterial infection and they go into renal failure and die as a direct result of that, the underlying cause of death would be septic shock.
ETA: I neglected to answer your question more precisely. Most likely, a patient with Lupus who dies while infected with this coronavirus, dies from the virus itself, rather than a flare up of Lupus.
The first case is now at St Francis, where Laura works. She has volunteered to quarantine herself in her apartment---she and Chan live with Momma and Daddy (70s, some health issues, but overall healthy); what do you think she should do???? This is my greatest worry right now
Giving this a bump back up, hope that Bear can give Debra a answer to ease her mind a little.
Posted 2020-03-22 11:47 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Posts: 9159 Location: Arkansas
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-22 11:20 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2020-03-21 6:40 PM
Bear - 2020-03-20 10:59 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-20 9:53 PM
Bear {Scott} I have a honest question, I did ask but it didnt work out since I hate watching videos. My sons wife has Lupus and I really worry about this because she works at a clinic in San Marcos where she does drawing blood for the older folks, Brenda's Lupus really is being hard on her, so shes a high risk too and I saw a few posts on here that Coronavirus is not what causes a death, they are saying its the underlying issue that will be the cause of death not the coronavirus itself, does the Coronavirus attack the low immune systems of people that have underlying issues? Like when the person gets this virus and has Lupus can this virus cause the Lupus to go into high gear and cause her illness to get worst? I thought that I understood that the virus is what causes death, even if there is a underlying issue would the virus still be the cause of someone passing away if they get it?
And do you think the media is over reacting, I know some media I dont give a rats hinny about but the ones I do watch as in Fox I really pay attention to what they say, and when Gov. Greg Abbott comes on I really really listen to what he has to say. I really dont think hes over reacting, hes trying to get word out there for us and wants to protect us all by getting bars, restaurants, schools to close down. I just would like your take on all this. And I'm 62 so I'm taking this all very serious as most are on here, I know some think this is all blown out of proportion, but I think they should take this more serious.
At this point we have no choice but to assume this is a dangerous pandemic. The reason I say this is because this is a "novel" virus, meaning it is new, and, as such, we simply are in uncharted territory and we have no way of predicting an end point. In the end, it may turn out that we grossly overreacted, but we can't afford to minimize this pandemic. In the beginning, even many experts varied in their opinions, but over a few weeks time, the consensus was that our approach is the better part of valor. At the same time, political opportunists are not wasting time pointing fingers and looking for "experts" who will send the message of a doomsday scenario. Some attempt to continue to fan the flames of fear, doom, and gloom. If you watch the badgering of governors, members of the coronavirus response team, and the president, they are repeatedly asking variations of similar questions, for which they know there are no answers. Questions like this: "Can you tell us when Americans can feel safe again?" "Can you tell the American people when they can get a test if they want one?" "Can you guarantee that everything possible is being done?" "When will Americans be able to resume normalcy?" "Do you think calling it the Chinese Coronavirus is offensive and racist?" Those are the sorts of things you see in press conferences....and they come in a constant flurry every day. Dr Fauci has been a godsend in addressing many of these sorts of things. As to someone with Lupus, the reason they are at increased risk is they are immune suppressed. First, the chronic underlying disease effects the immune system. Also, most people with Lupus are on drugs that suppress the immune system. COVID-19 kills by causing severe pneumonia and respiratory distress syndrome. In addition, it causes a severe reaction called a "cytokine storm". You have to look it up to learn more about it, but basically it is a result of inflammatory mediators from white blood cells, like interferon and tumor necrosis factor and many many others. They cause: fever, fatigue, loss of appetite, muscle and joint pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, rashes, fast breathing, rapid heartbeat, low blood pressure, seizures, headache, confusion, delirium, hallucinations, tremor, and loss of coordination. It's like a combination of a bad flu and an allergic reaction. Ultimately it can cause respiratory failure and shock. A lot of drugs under trial work by blocking that "cytokine storm". Others work by helping eliminate or even kill the virus.
I'll try to answer your question another way. If someone goes into septic shock from a bacterial infection and they go into renal failure and die as a direct result of that, the underlying cause of death would be septic shock.
ETA: I neglected to answer your question more precisely. Most likely, a patient with Lupus who dies while infected with this coronavirus, dies from the virus itself, rather than a flare up of Lupus.
The first case is now at St Francis, where Laura works. She has volunteered to quarantine herself in her apartment---she and Chan live with Momma and Daddy (70s, some health issues, but overall healthy); what do you think she should do???? This is my greatest worry right now
Giving this a bump back up, hope that Bear can give Debra a answer to ease her mind a little.
The patient passed away. That's the only case they have so far. It's like a horror movie. . .
Bear {Scott} I have a honest question, I did ask but it didnt work out since I hate watching videos. My sons wife has Lupus and I really worry about this because she works at a clinic in San Marcos where she does drawing blood for the older folks, Brenda's Lupus really is being hard on her, so shes a high risk too and I saw a few posts on here that Coronavirus is not what causes a death, they are saying its the underlying issue that will be the cause of death not the coronavirus itself, does the Coronavirus attack the low immune systems of people that have underlying issues? Like when the person gets this virus and has Lupus can this virus cause the Lupus to go into high gear and cause her illness to get worst? I thought that I understood that the virus is what causes death, even if there is a underlying issue would the virus still be the cause of someone passing away if they get it?
And do you think the media is over reacting, I know some media I dont give a rats hinny about but the ones I do watch as in Fox I really pay attention to what they say, and when Gov. Greg Abbott comes on I really really listen to what he has to say. I really dont think hes over reacting, hes trying to get word out there for us and wants to protect us all by getting bars, restaurants, schools to close down. I just would like your take on all this. And I'm 62 so I'm taking this all very serious as most are on here, I know some think this is all blown out of proportion, but I think they should take this more serious.
At this point we have no choice but to assume this is a dangerous pandemic. The reason I say this is because this is a "novel" virus, meaning it is new, and, as such, we simply are in uncharted territory and we have no way of predicting an end point. In the end, it may turn out that we grossly overreacted, but we can't afford to minimize this pandemic. In the beginning, even many experts varied in their opinions, but over a few weeks time, the consensus was that our approach is the better part of valor. At the same time, political opportunists are not wasting time pointing fingers and looking for "experts" who will send the message of a doomsday scenario. Some attempt to continue to fan the flames of fear, doom, and gloom. If you watch the badgering of governors, members of the coronavirus response team, and the president, they are repeatedly asking variations of similar questions, for which they know there are no answers. Questions like this: "Can you tell us when Americans can feel safe again?" "Can you tell the American people when they can get a test if they want one?" "Can you guarantee that everything possible is being done?" "When will Americans be able to resume normalcy?" "Do you think calling it the Chinese Coronavirus is offensive and racist?" Those are the sorts of things you see in press conferences....and they come in a constant flurry every day. Dr Fauci has been a godsend in addressing many of these sorts of things. As to someone with Lupus, the reason they are at increased risk is they are immune suppressed. First, the chronic underlying disease effects the immune system. Also, most people with Lupus are on drugs that suppress the immune system. COVID-19 kills by causing severe pneumonia and respiratory distress syndrome. In addition, it causes a severe reaction called a "cytokine storm". You have to look it up to learn more about it, but basically it is a result of inflammatory mediators from white blood cells, like interferon and tumor necrosis factor and many many others. They cause: fever, fatigue, loss of appetite, muscle and joint pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, rashes, fast breathing, rapid heartbeat, low blood pressure, seizures, headache, confusion, delirium, hallucinations, tremor, and loss of coordination. It's like a combination of a bad flu and an allergic reaction. Ultimately it can cause respiratory failure and shock. A lot of drugs under trial work by blocking that "cytokine storm". Others work by helping eliminate or even kill the virus.
I'll try to answer your question another way. If someone goes into septic shock from a bacterial infection and they go into renal failure and die as a direct result of that, the underlying cause of death would be septic shock.
ETA: I neglected to answer your question more precisely. Most likely, a patient with Lupus who dies while infected with this coronavirus, dies from the virus itself, rather than a flare up of Lupus.
The first case is now at St Francis, where Laura works. She has volunteered to quarantine herself in her apartment---she and Chan live with Momma and Daddy (70s, some health issues, but overall healthy); what do you think she should do???? This is my greatest worry right now
Giving this a bump back up, hope that Bear can give Debra a answer to ease her mind a little.
The patient passed away. That's the only case they have so far. It's like a horror movie. . .
Oh no!!!! Prayers for this persons family and prayers that your family stay's healthy threw all this This is a scary time for us all
You know in a millon years I never would have though it would come down to this, as in closing bars, restaurants, schools, gyms, business's, people losing their jobs, no paper towels, no eggs, no meat, no TP, This is just WOW...
You know in a millon years I never would have though it would come down to this, as in closing bars, restaurants, schools, gyms, business's, people losing their jobs, no paper towels, no eggs, no meat, no TP, This is just WOW...
our state is now being told to stay home,starting tomorrow. So i went to grocery store today.No TP,low on meat,plenty of eggs and milk,but the store was BUSY,people getting whatever they could,a man walking around just randomly saying he didnt know what to do.Its sad to see the look on some of their faces.I pray it turns the corner QUICK,but i have my doubts.
You know in a millon years I never would have though it would come down to this, as in closing bars, restaurants, schools, gyms, business's, people losing their jobs, no paper towels, no eggs, no meat, no TP, This is just WOW...
Giving us a preview of Democratic Socialism Utopia.
You know in a millon years I never would have though it would come down to this, as in closing bars, restaurants, schools, gyms, business's, people losing their jobs, no paper towels, no eggs, no meat, no TP, This is just WOW...
our state is now being told to stay home,starting tomorrow. So i went to grocery store today.No TP,low on meat,plenty of eggs and milk,but the store was BUSY,people getting whatever they could,a man walking around just randomly saying he didnt know what to do.Its sad to see the look on some of their faces.I pray it turns the corner QUICK,but i have my doubts.
I dont know whats going to happen here in Texas, I hav'nt watch the news for the last couple of days, needed a break, just really bored, been raining for the last two days not going to complain becuase we needed this rain so darn bad, been in a drought so this is a blessing but so damp and nasty, been planting tomato plants and some fruit trees and flowers but this damp and rainy weather put a halt on my yard work so bored bored, lol, Farrier is coming out tomorrow so that will be something to do, so I will watch the news tonight to see whats happening. Our neighbor was telling hubby every time we go into town we need to get frozen food and what other items we will need, keep trucks full of fuel, he's military aslo on the medical field side {I thought I better correct this} but helps Fema out when they need extra helping hands when a disaster hits, so he was saying its going to get worst, so what ever Wayne says we listen, and Jay (hes high ranked military) says the same thing, just be prepared.. So sad that this is happening to our country.
You know in a millon years I never would have though it would come down to this, as in closing bars, restaurants, schools, gyms, business's, people losing their jobs, no paper towels, no eggs, no meat, no TP, This is just WOW...
Giving us a preview of Democratic Socialism Utopia.
This is something that just really scares me, telling us how we WILL live our lives, what we can and can not do. I worry so much about our children and their familys {GrandKids}, sure do miss how simple life use to be back in the 70's, 80's,90's and early 2000.
jake my son and his family live up there we went and got feed for horses he said cold and sleet crap weird weatherand i am sunburned
yes,cold,wet,muddy,you cant do yard work,nothing to do at all till the weather gets better.Im sure once we can get outside more it will be alittle easier.
I'm so freaking mad about this. Not to mention our neighbors have 2 kids in Africa trying to get home. As far as I'm concerned the LDS church should of taken all these missionaries and put them in a church for 14 days. Quarantined them to make sure they wouldn't spread anything. They should do that for anyone coming from another country for the church!
You know in a millon years I never would have though it would come down to this, as in closing bars, restaurants, schools, gyms, business's, people losing their jobs, no paper towels, no eggs, no meat, no TP, This is just WOW...
Giving us a preview of Democratic Socialism Utopia.
Well, since you want to politisize this, it's happening now, under a republican president, senate and supreme court.
But there's nothing a like a good ole scare tactic when your guy is bumbling along as always.
You know in a millon years I never would have though it would come down to this, as in closing bars, restaurants, schools, gyms, business's, people losing their jobs, no paper towels, no eggs, no meat, no TP, This is just WOW...
Giving us a preview of Democratic Socialism Utopia.
Well, since you want to politisize this, it's happening now, under a republican president, senate and supreme court.
But there's nothing a like a good ole scare tactic when your guy is bumbling along as always.
OK, Jd&ez, tell me something. First, do you think it's possible to discuss this without politics entering into the equation? Explain. Second, what's your solution, and how could this have been prevented? I'll await your answers.
You know in a millon years I never would have though it would come down to this, as in closing bars, restaurants, schools, gyms, business's, people losing their jobs, no paper towels, no eggs, no meat, no TP, This is just WOW...
Giving us a preview of Democratic Socialism Utopia.
Well, since you want to politisize this, it's happening now, under a republican president, senate and supreme court.
But there's nothing a like a good ole scare tactic when your guy is bumbling along as always.
OK, Jd&ez, tell me something. First, do you think it's possible to discuss this without politics entering into the equation? Explain. Second, what's your solution, and how could this have been prevented? I'll await your answers.
Oh well Scott, my thread is already tainted with politics, so go get them. Every time I see jd&ez on here I always think of that song The Coward of the County..
Trump has no choice but to shut down business, over seas flights into the country, schools if he didnt do this jd&ez would then say Trump is not doing his job. Trump cant do anything without some fool calling him names or say hes not doing his job. What the heck do these people want??? jd&ez why do you want the USA to sink?
The attached interview with Dr Fauchi, is not what he stated in interview with Mark Levin....far from it. Not sure what side of the fence the good Dr, actually is on, and for some reason, although others, trust him, and believe in him, I have second thoughts about him. Just going on a gut feeling, and the way the Swamp operates in Washington.
The pandemic team Trump put together is top notch, and I submit better than the one that John Bolton eliminated. Name someone from that pandemic team better than Dr Fauci. Trump put the team together and designated VP Pence to lead the effort, from an organizational standpoint, but Dr Fauci leads the scientists. As Trump quickly and boldly called for the travel ban, your candidate was accusing him of creating hysteria and xenophobia with his ban.....yes, your candidate, Joe Biden. The media went right along with him. The liberal mainstream media called the virus the "Chinese Virus" and the "Wuhan Virus" and even "Trump's Virus" in unison across the board....until they received their new orders, apparently from China, to call Trump a "racist" and "xenophobe" for using the same terms they use. They gleefully referred to this crisis as "Trump's Katrina" and "Trump's Chernobyl".....with absolutely no consequences to this incendiary behavior. They get a pass for these incendiary remarks and grotesque name calling. Trump's later action to close travel from Europe and the UK was meant with further squeals from the European countries....only to enact the same restrictions 6 weeks later...followed by Canada. Evidently they have had an epiphany and have done the same thing.....yet Trump is a buffoon and a dunce. Funny how that works.
Here, palopony, watch this snippet from a half hour interview with Dr Fauci last night. During that interview, when asked about the president's early response to this, he described it as "EXCELLENT". As to Trump's alleged anti science leanings, watch this. This is what I wrote about it earlier today on FB:
I watched this 1/2 hour interview last night, and I continue to be impressed by his calm, sensible, matter-of-fact demeanor. His style of communication is polished and easy for anyone to understand. This man is a treasure. I contrast this with the opinion pieces in the liberal press claiming that Trump is “anti science” and is continually clashing and at odds with the scientists on his team. Well, that’s their read,...rather, that’s the narrative they want to push. Literally, for the first time in human history, the liberal opposition wants to push the narrative that labeling a virus on its origin, such as Spain, China, the Middle East, or Hong Kong is all of a sudden “racist” and “xenophobic”. Why this, all of a sudden? Simple.....it’s a fiat handed down by liberals because it decries Trump’s alleged racism, that’s why. It’s really that thesimple. What people seem to be missing is how that same liberal media uniformly referred to this as the “Chinese virus” and the “Wuhan virus”, to the extent that actual video montages exist of pundits using this term regularly in their hysterical rants when news of this outbreak began to replace the failed impeachment effort in February. Then, just like that, they decided by fiat, the terms “China” and “Wuhan” were all of a sudden racist.....why? Because they said so, that’s why.....and it’s no coincidence that the Communist Chinese propagandists decided the same thing right before the switch. Dr Fauci, in unambiguous terms, described Trump’s response to this, right from the start, as “excellent”.....his description. Trump’s prompt, decisive response with the travel bans was unprecedented, bold, and widely condemned by his critics as “extreme” and “xenophobic”......fast forward 6 weeks, and countries in Europe and Canada followed his lead. As Fauci said, his action probably was the most critical step in minimizing the damage from this pandemic. And just to clarify, particularly to those who take these liberal op-eds from CNN, NYT, and the WaPo, this video lays to rest another grotesque lie that he is “anti-science”. Dr Fauci slam dunks this lie emphatically and unambiguously. It’s your choice: either you can take the word of these op-eds, based on unnamed sources or even assumptions, OR you can learn the truth about Trump’s respect for science from one of the most accomplished, widely respected scientists in history.
Watch this....you decide.
Where did your husband get the rumor that Fauci was going to be fired?
You know Dr Bear I have read a lot and you can insult and bash the democrats, liberals, news and anyone who thinks different than you I don't care.
My husband heard it on sirus radio if I had to guess, and I had read the Q & A over my morning coffee. So I have no idea but he sure was missing at the press conference they said he had better things to do. I'm sure he does. I think now that his SIL is on the team and has been studying we are in trouble.
I think it's wonderful he has assembled a great team probably a beautiful team, I just think if he left the one they had in place we may have been ahead of this mess. Would have been such a plus for him, if not he could have blamed Obama...... but he has already.
I do believe on March 15, when I first posted the right wing media and most of you said it was a hoax.
For many people I really don't think it will be an issue. I mentioned before after traveling to Yellowstone and MT, WY, SD, ND and all I heard on the radio was FOX News. I truly understand why you feel the way many of you do.
Don't really wish to fight with you, sad we agree on many issues. As for Joe Biden he is not my choice, I keep hoping for a better selection. Discussing with a friend about his not being more vocal. IMO I think it would take attention away from the Governor's right now and they need all the help and attention they can get. I think it would be selfish and a distraction at a time like this. JMO
So Dr. Bear I have a question for you........ Trump wants to put everyone back to work and it seems Dr. Fauci seems to think we should stay put.
What is your opinion on who is right?
We could discuss and maybe learn something or name call each others sources or just watch and see how it all plays out. Which is my plan everyone please stay safe as you can.
You know Dr Bear I have read a lot and you can insult and bash the democrats, liberals, news and anyone who thinks different than you I don't care.
My husband heard it on sirus radio if I had to guess, and I had read the Q & A over my morning coffee. So I have no idea but he sure was missing at the press conference they said he had better things to do. I'm sure he does. I think now that his SIL is on the team and has been studying we are in trouble.
I think it's wonderful he has assembled a great team probably a beautiful team, I just think if he left the one they had in place we may have been ahead of this mess. Would have been such a plus for him, if not he could have blamed Obama...... but he has already.
I do believe on March 15, when I first posted the right wing media and most of you said it was a hoax.
For many people I really don't think it will be an issue. I mentioned before after traveling to Yellowstone and MT, WY, SD, ND and all I heard on the radio was FOX News. I truly understand why you feel the way many of you do.
Don't really wish to fight with you, sad we agree on many issues. As for Joe Biden he is not my choice, I keep hoping for a better selection. Discussing with a friend about his not being more vocal. IMO I think it would take attention away from the Governor's right now and they need all the help and attention they can get. I think it would be selfish and a distraction at a time like this. JMO
So Dr. Bear I have a question for you........ Trump wants to put everyone back to work and it seems Dr. Fauci seems to think we should stay put.
What is your opinion on who is right?
We could discuss and maybe learn something or name call each others sources or just watch and see how it all plays out. Which is my plan everyone please stay safe as you can.
Excellent question, but first I want to point out some errors and make some remarks about your last response. You say repeatedly when I "insult" liberal Democrats, and the media, but I guess it's OK for you to throw your own insults. Here's a little FYI, I will always criticize liberal Democrats when I feel they are wrong. You can keep protesting (while at the same time saying you don't care) as much as you want. I don't really care.
So, your husband's source for saying he heard Trump is going to fire Dr Fauci was Sirius radio. Howard Stern, perhaps? I'm unaware of any trustworthy source to substantiate that rumor. Did you watch the video I posted? Did he sound like someone within a whisker of being fired? No, I don't think so either. So you watched the Q&A? Evidently you don't remember it. Fauci was busy with a team meeting. He is working his ass off and it is senseless to march him out for 2 hours every day, just to have 10-15 minutes at the podium. Several members were missing, in fact. Several times I have explained that the Coronavirus response team has functioned better than the team that was in place. He assembled a talented team within a couple days that, I submit, was better than a bunch of Obama holdovers. You are fixated on that and seem to be refractory to understanding...or you forget things easily. I understand....I can be forgetful at times myself.
Actually, you need to go back and review the WaPo and NYT headlines from a month or so ago.
You keep talking about not wanting to fight with me, but you sure seem to be enjoying doing something you don't want to do.
I'm going to answer your last question with a question. Did you really watch today's Q&A? What's your takeaway? I understood what Trump was saying. I highly doubt you did. I think there is a lot of intense discussion in the White House. Trump is eager to open things up again. I think and I hope we will be armed with more certainty as the data accumulates. Here’s my guess....subject to change as facts emerge, of course: We will see an easing of restrictions while strict distancing or even some isolation of those most vulnerable takes place. The mortality risk is low amongst those of working age. We can accept the much lower risk, while freeing up the working folks and businesses. I think the mortality risk in HEALTHY people younger than 65 will be closer to seasonal flu. They will soon be freed up. The vulnerable will be closely guarded. This is not meant to say that the measures put into place were unnecessary. They really were. Again, like Trump says, we’ll have to wait and see. For some reason I feel more optimistic. Trump realizes we need to find a way to balance the need to protect the vulnerable, while allowing the productive, healthy workers to get back to work....obviously in so doing, accepting a certain number of healthy people catch COVID19, among whom very few become seriously ill. Remember, this is a "NOVEL" virus....we didn't know anything about the behavior of this virus and the disease. We know a LOT more now and have mounting data and we are getting closer to using certain drug regimens. Trump said we have to be sure the "treatment isn't worse than the disease". I understand what he's saying. Economic collapse can take a toll in human lives as well, big time. They are working toward a balance. That's my take on it today.
Posted 2020-03-24 12:45 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Bear - 2020-03-23 10:41 PM
Palopony - 2020-03-23 8:23 PM
You know Dr Bear I have read a lot and you can insult and bash the democrats, liberals, news and anyone who thinks different than you I don't care.
My husband heard it on sirus radio if I had to guess, and I had read the Q & A over my morning coffee. So I have no idea but he sure was missing at the press conference they said he had better things to do. I'm sure he does. I think now that his SIL is on the team and has been studying we are in trouble.
I think it's wonderful he has assembled a great team probably a beautiful team, I just think if he left the one they had in place we may have been ahead of this mess. Would have been such a plus for him, if not he could have blamed Obama...... but he has already.
I do believe on March 15, when I first posted the right wing media and most of you said it was a hoax.
For many people I really don't think it will be an issue. I mentioned before after traveling to Yellowstone and MT, WY, SD, ND and all I heard on the radio was FOX News. I truly understand why you feel the way many of you do.
Don't really wish to fight with you, sad we agree on many issues. As for Joe Biden he is not my choice, I keep hoping for a better selection. Discussing with a friend about his not being more vocal. IMO I think it would take attention away from the Governor's right now and they need all the help and attention they can get. I think it would be selfish and a distraction at a time like this. JMO
So Dr. Bear I have a question for you........ Trump wants to put everyone back to work and it seems Dr. Fauci seems to think we should stay put.
What is your opinion on who is right?
We could discuss and maybe learn something or name call each others sources or just watch and see how it all plays out. Which is my plan everyone please stay safe as you can.
Excellent question, but first I want to point out some errors and make some remarks about your last response. You say repeatedly when I "insult" liberal Democrats, and the media, but I guess it's OK for you to throw your own insults. Here's a little FYI, I will always criticize liberal Democrats when I feel they are wrong. You can keep protesting (while at the same time saying you don't care) as much as you want. I don't really care.Yet you keep throwing out nasty libtard type comments in every post.
So, your husband's source for saying he heard Trump is going to fire Dr Fauci was Sirius radio. Howard Stern, perhaps? No he hates him. I'm unaware of any trustworthy source to substantiate that rumor. Did you watch the video I posted? Did he sound like someone within a whisker of being fired? He seems to be the only one willing to say what he thinks IMO No, I don't think so either. So you watched the Q&A? Evidently you don't remember it. Fauci was busy with a team meeting. He is working his ass off and it is senseless to march him out for 2 hours every day, just to have 10-15 minutes at the podium. Several members were missing, in fact. Several times I have explained that the Coronavirus response team has functioned better than the team that was in place. He assembled a talented team within a couple days that, I submit, was better than a bunch of Obama holdovers. You are fixated on that and seem to be refractory to understanding...or you forget things easily. I understand....I can be forgetful at times myself. Honestly is was just got in the door chit chat never said it was a fact. How many of those very good people have been fired or sent to jail since he has been in? He changes cabinet members constantly and fails to fill positions.
Actually, you need to go back and review the WaPo and NYT headlines from a month or so ago. I read all the time but I was on vacation the last 2 weeks of Feb with no news.
You keep talking about not wanting to fight with me, but you sure seem to be enjoying doing something you don't want to do. I'm stuck at home and semi retired, I would think you would have better things to do or provide more useful information.
I'm going to answer your last question with a question. Did you really watch today's Q&A? What's your takeaway? I understood what Trump was saying. I highly doubt you did. I didn't watch the link but I watched his press conference today. You seem to think any link I post is slanted and don't bother to read, if it was clickable I would have. I have followed Dr Fauci since the beginning. I also already read FOX News too. I honestly PRAY he is still there. I think there is a lot of intense discussion in the White House. Trump is eager to open things up again. I understand who wouldn't be. I still think he is worried more about money than people. He was gazing at the floor when they would ask the lady medical questions. I think he misses his campaign rallies myself. I think and I hope we will be armed with more certainty as the data accumulates. I agree but to me the number look really scary and the fact that people can spread it without knowing it bothers me unless you can test everyone. Here’s my guess....subject to change as facts emerge, of course: Thanks for sharing it does seem to change everyday. We will see an easing of restrictions while strict distancing or even some isolation of those most vulnerable takes place. The mortality risk is low amongst those of working age. We can accept the much lower risk, while freeing up the working folks and businesses. I think the mortality risk in HEALTHY people younger than 65 will be closer to seasonal flu. They will soon be freed up. The vulnerable will be closely guarded. I hope your right but a 12 year old girl on a vent in GA with no prexisting conditions has me concerned. This is not meant to say that the measures put into place were unnecessary. They really were. Again, like Trump says, we’ll have to wait and see. For some reason I feel more optimistic. Trump realizes we need to find a way to balance the need to protect the vulnerable, while allowing the productive, healthy workers to get back to work....obviously in so doing, accepting a certain number of healthy people catch COVID19, among whom very few become seriously ill. Remember, this is a "NOVEL" virus....we didn't know anything about the behavior of this virus and the disease. We know a LOT more now and have mounting data and we are getting closer to using certain drug regimens. Trump said we have to be sure the "treatment isn't worse than the disease". I understand what he's saying. Economic collapse can take a toll in human lives as well, big time. They are working toward a balance. That's my take on it today.
I have been following this since 3/10 when the numbers looked like this:
March 10, Today
USA 800 cases 28 Deaths 46,116 579 Deaths 1040 Critical (was at 64 forever)
China 80,757 3000 guessing 81,171 3277 Deaths on 3/15 it was 3213
I posted this not to prove anything but to show you what I have been watching and why I think what I do. You all have every right to believe whatever you want just don't make fun of what I think. I have watched this president for a long time. I love this you can trust him all you want. I will watch and think of ways to help.
At his daily coronavirus press briefing, President Donald Trump was asked to justify the provision in the Republican stimulus bill that would grant his administration an unrestricted $500 billion slush fund to be distributed to any corporation imaginable with zero oversight or transparency.
His response was that he would be the entire oversight of the program.
Who was is that said I brought a knife to a gun fight? I just tried to tell it like I see it.
I think if President Trump told some of you to go lick the faces of someone COVID19 positive because it would build up immunity some of you would be doing it.
Posted 2020-03-24 9:36 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Posts: 25351 Location: Bastrop, Texas
Palopony it's really a waste of time posting the Covid19 stats on here. By the time you're done typing, they have changed. Literally everyone knows where to look up those numbers.
My main point yesterday was that my impression is things are changing daily, including the direction we're heading. The reason is because with each passing day more and more data accumulates. We did need to basically hunker down because we weren't sure how this virus would behave. Now I think this team is putting together some consensus about how we can get back to work, while still preserving protection for the vulnerable. Scientists aren't economists, and economists sometimes aren't very business savvy. We have a pragmatist in the White House whose challenge it is to move things along because he knows that a prolonged shut down could end up being more deadly than Covid19 itself, in the long run. I think Trump is eager to get things moving again.....we all are. I'm just glad Trump is where he is, and I shudder to think of Joe Biden in his place. Did anyone get a chance to see Joe Biden's Covid19 conference from his home in Delaware? I actually felt like crying for the poor fella. He was so lost and struggled so hard to say something coherent. He's really going downhill, and I don't know if he'll even make it to the convention. Like anyone with his condition, there will be good days and there will be bad days. I hope someone intervenes on his behalf. Democrats have a real dilemma on their hands.
Posted 2020-03-24 9:43 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Scott ..... Did you see the report that they found the virus on the Princess cruise ship 17 days after everyone was evacuated. What do you think? Could it possibly have lived that long OR ..... or could it have been someone from the "clean-up" crew (which, I assume, they are doing) ?
edited to add: OOPS! I just realized that we had the discussion on another thread .... too many threads going for me to keep up .... LOL
Jurisdictions reporting cases: 54 (50 states, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, and US Virgin Islands)
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date.
Cases of COVID-19 Reported in the US, by Source of Exposure*†
Cases of COVID-19 Reported in the US, by Source of Exposure
Travel-related
449
Close contact
539
Under investigation
32,416
Total cases
33,404
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date.
† CDC is no longer reporting the number of persons under investigation (PUIs) that have been tested, as well as PUIs that have tested negative. Now that states are testing and reporting their own results, CDC’s numbers are not representative of all testing being done nationwide.
States Reporting Cases of COVID-19 to CDC*
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date.
†Self-reported by health department characterizing the level of community transmission in their jurisdiction as: “Yes, widespread” (defined as: widespread community transmission across several geographical areas); “Yes, defined area(s)” (defined as: distinct clusters of cases in a, or a few, defined geographical area(s)); “Undetermined” (defined as: 1 or more cases but not classified as “Yes” to community transmission); or “N/A” (defined as: no cases).
COVID-19: Cases among Persons Repatriated to the United States
COVID-19: Cases among Persons Repatriated to the United States†
¶ Cases have laboratory confirmation and may or may not have been symptomatic.
COVID-19 cases in the United States by date of illness onset, January 12, 2020, to March 22, 2020, at 4pm ET (n=4,038)**
** Does not include cases among persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan; does not include U.S.-identified cases where the date of illness onset has not yet been reported.
Posted 2020-03-24 9:55 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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NJJ - 2020-03-24 9:43 AM
Scott ..... Did you see the report that they found the virus on the Princess cruise ship 17 days after everyone was evacuated. What do you think? Could it possibly have lived that long OR ..... or could it have been someone from the "clean-up" crew (which, I assume, they are doing) ?
edited to add: OOPS! I just realized that we had the discussion on another thread .... too many threads going for me to keep up .... LOL
LOL, I cant keep up anymore either, getting a little cross eyed
Posted 2020-03-24 10:04 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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I will point out AGAIN.... those numbers are OUT OF DATE ...... On Monday (23rd) ...... they posted the numbers from SUNDAY (22nd at 4 PM) Now you figure out how many hours have passed !!!
Posted 2020-03-24 10:09 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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NJJ - 2020-03-24 8:04 AM
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I will point out AGAIN.... those numbers are OUT OF DATE ...... On Monday (23rd) ...... they posted the numbers from SUNDAY (22nd at 4 PM) Now you figure out how many hours have passed !!!
So? There will never be anything that is up to the minute. If you think so, you are not so familiar with facts.
Posted 2020-03-24 10:32 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Posts: 25351 Location: Bastrop, Texas
NJJ - 2020-03-24 9:43 AM
Scott ..... Did you see the report that they found the virus on the Princess cruise ship 17 days after everyone was evacuated. What do you think? Could it possibly have lived that long OR ..... or could it have been someone from the "clean-up" crew (which, I assume, they are doing) ?
edited to add: OOPS! I just realized that we had the discussion on another thread .... too many threads going for me to keep up .... LOL
No, I didn't see that. My first reaction is to think that's an oddity. I can't explain it, if it's true, because the Covid19 virus has been well studied when it comes to how long it can live on surfaces. The New England Journal of Medicine published a recent study on this. I think I may have posted a link somewhere here, on one of these threads, or else maybe it was on FB. From that study, I believe the longest it can survive on hard surfaces is 3 days, tops. Yes, of course, it could certainly have come from someone in the cleanup crew. All those cruise ships from Asian cruises should be autoclaved.
Posted 2020-03-24 10:45 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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NJJ - 2020-03-24 10:04 AM
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Updated March 23, 2020
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I will point out AGAIN.... those numbers are OUT OF DATE ...... On Monday (23rd) ...... they posted the numbers from SUNDAY (22nd at 4 PM) Now you figure out how many hours have passed !!!
Norma, she posted this so people can click on a link. Now everyone knows where to go for the updated numbers. Over the past few days I've noticed that the mortality rate seems to be holding right around 1.2%. I think the real number is going to be quite a bit lower than that. As far as I'm concerned, the key number to know would be the mortality rate if we exclude people over 65. If we could somehow do a reasonable job of keeping those high risk people protected and isolated, while accepting a mortality risk of the rest that is acceptable (ie: more in line with influenza), then a plan could be put in place to get America back to work. I can tell that is how Trump is thinking right about now. Behind the scenes, I think he is working on a consensus....prodding and coaxing. I betcha anything.
Posted 2020-03-24 11:07 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Bear - 2020-03-24 10:45 AM
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Updated March 23, 2020
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I will point out AGAIN.... those numbers are OUT OF DATE ...... On Monday (23rd) ...... they posted the numbers from SUNDAY (22nd at 4 PM) Now you figure out how many hours have passed !!!
Norma, she posted this so people can click on a link. Now everyone knows where to go for the updated numbers. Over the past few days I've noticed that the mortality rate seems to be holding right around 1.2%. I think the real number is going to be quite a bit lower than that. As far as I'm concerned, the key number to know would be the mortality rate if we exclude people over 65. If we could somehow do a reasonable job of keeping those high risk people protected and isolated, while accepting a mortality risk of the rest that is acceptable (ie: more in line with influenza), then a plan could be put in place to get America back to work. I can tell that is how Trump is thinking right about now. Behind the scenes, I think he is working on a consensus....prodding and coaxing. I betcha anything.
Why? Those numbers are out of date .....
Proof ...... Arkansas (CDC) numbers ON that link
Arkansas 197
REAL time .....
206 confirmed positive cases of COVID-19 in Arkansas
Posted 2020-03-24 11:14 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Champ
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NJJ - 2020-03-24 9:07 AM
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Updated March 23, 2020
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I will point out AGAIN.... those numbers are OUT OF DATE ...... On Monday (23rd) ...... they posted the numbers from SUNDAY (22nd at 4 PM) Now you figure out how many hours have passed !!!
Norma, she posted this so people can click on a link. Now everyone knows where to go for the updated numbers. Over the past few days I've noticed that the mortality rate seems to be holding right around 1.2%. I think the real number is going to be quite a bit lower than that. As far as I'm concerned, the key number to know would be the mortality rate if we exclude people over 65. If we could somehow do a reasonable job of keeping those high risk people protected and isolated, while accepting a mortality risk of the rest that is acceptable (ie: more in line with influenza), then a plan could be put in place to get America back to work. I can tell that is how Trump is thinking right about now. Behind the scenes, I think he is working on a consensus....prodding and coaxing. I betcha anything.
Why? Those numbers are out of date .....
Proof ...... Arkansas (CDC) numbers ON that link
Arkansas 197
REAL time .....
206 confirmed positive cases of COVID-19 in Arkansas
How do YOU know those are real time? Compiling data isn't instant.
Posted 2020-03-24 11:25 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Updated March 23, 2020
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I will point out AGAIN.... those numbers are OUT OF DATE ...... On Monday (23rd) ...... they posted the numbers from SUNDAY (22nd at 4 PM) Now you figure out how many hours have passed !!!
Norma, she posted this so people can click on a link. Now everyone knows where to go for the updated numbers. Over the past few days I've noticed that the mortality rate seems to be holding right around 1.2%. I think the real number is going to be quite a bit lower than that. As far as I'm concerned, the key number to know would be the mortality rate if we exclude people over 65. If we could somehow do a reasonable job of keeping those high risk people protected and isolated, while accepting a mortality risk of the rest that is acceptable (ie: more in line with influenza), then a plan could be put in place to get America back to work. I can tell that is how Trump is thinking right about now. Behind the scenes, I think he is working on a consensus....prodding and coaxing. I betcha anything.
Why? Those numbers are out of date .....
Proof ...... Arkansas (CDC) numbers ON that link
Arkansas 197
REAL time .....
206 confirmed positive cases of COVID-19 in Arkansas
How do YOU know those are real time? Compiling data isn't instant.
Since she has me on "ignore" ....LOL ..... she won't see that MY information comes from the state itself ....NOT 2 days later from the CDC ..... but then again.....she continues to post crap day in and day out .... I am sure her next post will be something from Dan BamBoozle ..... Bye ....bye ......
HOW LONG CAN THE VIRUS THAT CAUSES COVID-19 LIVE ON SURFACES?
Carolyn Machamer, a cell biologist who specializes in coronaviruses, discusses the latest research on the virus that causes COVID-19
BySamuel Volkin
/Published March 20
According to a recent study published in the New England Journal of Medicine, SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, can live in the air and on surfaces between several hours and several days. The study found that the virus is viable for up to 72 hours on plastics, 48 hours on stainless steel, 24 hours on cardboard, and 4 hours on copper. It is also detectable in the air for three hours.
Carolyn Machamer, a professor of cell biology whose lab at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine has studied the basic biology of coronaviruses for years, joined Johns Hopkins MPH/MBA candidate Samuel Volkin for a brief discussion of these findings and what they mean for efforts to protect against spread of the virus. The conversation has been edited for length and clarity.
Volkin: According to this report, it sounds like the COVID-19 virus is potentially living on surfaces for days. How worried should we be about our risk of becoming infected simply by touching something an infected person was in contact with days ago?
Machamer: What's getting a lot of press and is presented out of context is that the virus can last on plastic for 72 hours—which sounds really scary. But what's more important is the amount of the virus that remains. It's less than 0.1% of the starting virus material. Infection is theoretically possible but unlikely at the levels remaining after a few days. People need to know this.
Resources and updates for the Johns Hopkins community, including travel guidance, information on university operations, and tips for preventing the spread of illness
While the New England Journal of Medicine study found that the COVID virus can be detected in the air for 3 hours, in nature, respiratory droplets sink to the ground faster than the aerosols produced in this study. The experimental aerosols used in labs are smaller than what comes out of a cough or sneeze, so they remain in the air at face-level longer than heavier particles would in nature.
What is the best way I can protect myself, knowing that the virus that causes COVID-19 lives on surfaces?
You are more likely to catch the infection through the air if you are next to someone infected than off of a surface. Cleaning surfaces with disinfectant or soap is very effective because once the oily surface coat of the virus is disabled, there is no way the virus can infect a host cell. However, there cannot be an overabundance of caution. Nothing like this has ever happened before.
The CDC guidelines on how to protect yourself include:
Clean and disinfect surfaces that many people come in contact with. These include tables, doorknobs, light switches, countertops, handles, desks, phones, keyboards, toilets, faucets, and sinks. Avoid touching high-contact surfaces in public.
Wash your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds immediately when you return home from a public place such as the bank or grocery store.
When in a public space, put a distance of six feet between yourself and others.
Most importantly, stay home if you are sick and contact your doctor.
There has been speculation that once the summer season arrives and the weather warms up, the virus won't survive, but we don't yet know if that is true. Does the weather or indoor temperature affect the survival of the COVID-19 virus on surfaces?
Coverage of how the COVID-19 pandemic is affecting operations at JHU and how Hopkins experts and scientists are responding to the outbreak
There is no evidence one way or the other. The virus's viability in exposure to heat or cold has not been studied. But it does bear pointing out that the New England Journal of Medicine study was performed at about room temperature, 21-23 degrees Celsius.
How does the virus that causes COVID-19 compare with other coronaviruses, and why are we seeing so many more cases?
SARS-CoV-2 behaves like a typical respiratory coronavirus in the basic mechanisms of infection and replication. But several mutations allow it to bind tighter to its host receptor and increase its transmissibility, which is thought to make it more infectious.
The New England Journal of Medicine study suggests that the stability of SARS-CoV-2 is very similar to that of SARS-CoV1, the virus that caused the 2002-2003 SARS global outbreak. But, researchers believe people can carry high viral loads of the SARS-CoV-2 in the upper respiratory tract without recognizing any symptoms, allowing them to shed and transmit the virus while asymptomatic.
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Posted 2020-03-24 11:48 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas
NJJ - 2020-03-24 11:25 AM
OregonBR - 2020-03-24 11:14 AM
NJJ - 2020-03-24 9:07 AM
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NJJ - 2020-03-24 10:04 AM
OregonBR - 2020-03-24 9:44 AM
Updated March 23, 2020
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I will point out AGAIN.... those numbers are OUT OF DATE ...... On Monday (23rd) ...... they posted the numbers from SUNDAY (22nd at 4 PM) Now you figure out how many hours have passed !!!
Norma, she posted this so people can click on a link. Now everyone knows where to go for the updated numbers. Over the past few days I've noticed that the mortality rate seems to be holding right around 1.2%. I think the real number is going to be quite a bit lower than that. As far as I'm concerned, the key number to know would be the mortality rate if we exclude people over 65. If we could somehow do a reasonable job of keeping those high risk people protected and isolated, while accepting a mortality risk of the rest that is acceptable (ie: more in line with influenza), then a plan could be put in place to get America back to work. I can tell that is how Trump is thinking right about now. Behind the scenes, I think he is working on a consensus....prodding and coaxing. I betcha anything.
Why? Those numbers are out of date .....
Proof ...... Arkansas (CDC) numbers ON that link
Arkansas 197
REAL time .....
206 confirmed positive cases of COVID-19 in Arkansas
How do YOU know those are real time? Compiling data isn't instant.
Since she has me on "ignore" ....LOL ..... she won't see that MY information comes from the state itself ....NOT 2 days later from the CDC ..... but then again.....she continues to post crap day in and day out .... I am sure her next post will be something from Dan BamBoozle ..... Bye ....bye ......
Well Norma, She didnt call you Lazy, so you must be doing something right..
Posted 2020-03-24 11:53 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Ms. Dr. Phil
Location: My happy place
I didn't post those numbers to show anything other than that I have been watching it since 3/10 and paying attention, while many said it was a hoax. All while complaining it was the Democratic Mayor of Houston that spoiled the Rodeo for everyone over politics because he's a libtard, according to many. For no other reason than it scares me. You guys can believe whatever you want, welcome to America.
I just watched Cuomo give a wonderful press conference and answer questions like an adult, he's really mad now not telling you how great the President is doing now.Look up why me's mad, or listen.
He sounded to me like someone in charge and trying to do something. I am now watching Pence on Fox and sure wishing he sounded as smart as Cuomo. I'm really glad the President is hopeful. insert eye roll.
I will just sit back and watch myself. Something else my husband said (he heard on talk radio) keep in mind at one time he thought Trump would do a good job. I may want Dr Faunci to get fired by Trump now........... I hear he is an old friend of the Cuomo family. Bet he is scared to fire him now because I think he's the type guy who would tell the truth to protect the people. JMO
Can't wait to listen President Trump soon.\
ETA: Back in the old days they got real mad over cut and paste. I believe I was called lazy for that a few times. Truth is I am, way easier than typing the then grammar nazis used to come out and attack over that too. Oh the good old days. Just so you know I'm old don't care and can't spell. My brain goes faster than my fingers a lot too.
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I will point out AGAIN.... those numbers are OUT OF DATE ...... On Monday (23rd) ...... they posted the numbers from SUNDAY (22nd at 4 PM) Now you figure out how many hours have passed !!!
Norma, she posted this so people can click on a link. Now everyone knows where to go for the updated numbers. Over the past few days I've noticed that the mortality rate seems to be holding right around 1.2%. I think the real number is going to be quite a bit lower than that. As far as I'm concerned, the key number to know would be the mortality rate if we exclude people over 65. If we could somehow do a reasonable job of keeping those high risk people protected and isolated, while accepting a mortality risk of the rest that is acceptable (ie: more in line with influenza), then a plan could be put in place to get America back to work. I can tell that is how Trump is thinking right about now. Behind the scenes, I think he is working on a consensus....prodding and coaxing. I betcha anything.
Why? Those numbers are out of date .....
Proof ...... Arkansas (CDC) numbers ON that link
Arkansas 197
REAL time .....
206 confirmed positive cases of COVID-19 in Arkansas
How do YOU know those are real time? Compiling data isn't instant.
Since she has me on "ignore" ....LOL ..... she won't see that MY information comes from the state itself ....NOT 2 days later from the CDC ..... but then again.....she continues to post crap day in and day out .... I am sure her next post will be something from Dan BamBoozle ..... Bye ....bye ......
Well Norma, She didnt call you Lazy, so you must be doing something right..
LOL ...... but we can dub her the "QUEEN of Cut and Paste" ..... and promotor of "opinionators" (Dan BamBoozle) ..... LOL
I didn't post those numbers to show anything other than that I have been watching it since 3/10 and paying attention, while many said it was a hoax. All while complaining it was the Democratic Mayor of Houston that spoiled the Rodeo for everyone over politics because he's a libtard, according to many. For no other reason than it scares me. You guys can believe whatever you want, welcome to America.
I just watched Cuomo give a wonderful press conference and answer questions like an adult, he's really mad now not telling you how great the President is doing now.Look up why me's mad, or listen.
He sounded to me like someone in charge and trying to do something. I am now watching Pence on Fox and sure wishing he sounded as smart as Cuomo. I'm really glad the President is hopeful. insert eye roll.
I will just sit back and watch myself. Something else my husband said (he heard on talk radio) keep in mind at one time he thought Trump would do a good job. I may want Dr Faunci to get fired by Trump now........... I hear he is an old friend of the Cuomo family. Bet he is scared to fire him now because I think he's the type guy who would tell the truth to protect the people. JMO
Can't wait to listen President Trump soon.\
ETA: Back in the old days they got real mad over cut and paste. I believe I was called lazy for that a few times. Truth is I am, way easier than typing the then grammar nazis used to come out and attack over that too. Oh the good old days. Just so you know I'm old don't care and can't spell. My brain goes faster than my fingers a lot too.
You literally just posted nothing of any value in regards to Coronavirus. It was all political....and that's fine with me. Trump is doing a great job, all things considered, in my opinion. I don't need rumors to convince me of that. I have a brain and eyes. Do you think Joe Biden would have handled it better? After all, he is your candidate. Did you watch his coronavirus conference from home? Did you cry for him? I dam near did.
Look who's turning it political now. I thought I defended why I posted the numbers I did after I was treated to a long cut and paste. Did I not? I answered the question about how I heard about Dr Fauci didn't I? Same source for the other info.......... lets just wait and see. I don't know just want people to pay attention. He is not in the rose garden on tv? Trump says all is fine but he is know to fib a bit. Time will tell.
I have said before I am not a Biden fan he's too old, so is Trump and Bernie. I'm an old person saying that not a young one. Maybe we need this virus to thin the herd a little because there are some crazy, stupid people out there. Fish medicine guy comes to mind....... blame the media.... he's the NUT that ate FISH PILLS, because Trump mentioned them. Guess he didn't listen to Dr Fauci. I just pray it doesn't get someone I love or any of yours or kids. My Mom and dad all aunts & uncles are gone and I'm an only child that had an only child with 2 grandkids. I'm fighting for a very small circle in my little world. However I have many old and young (that think they are bullit proof, just like I would feel at 20 to 40) friends I truly worry and pray for.
I like Cuomo or one of these fantastic Governors. I'm am so happy there are so many good ones out there on both side and we are seeing who they are. I just tell people to watch both sides. If you can find a Republican who will take on Trump I would vote them him in a minute. I never thought I would say I miss George Bush, but I do It's a SHAME none of them stepped up before in EITHER PARTY. JMO
Thank you for answering vijs's question and being helpful, very compassionat and informative. Also for working right now.
Look who's turning it political now. I thought I defended why I posted the numbers I did after I was treated to a long cut and paste. Did I not? I answered the question about how I heard about Dr Fauci didn't I? Same source for the other info.......... lets just wait and see. I don't know just want people to pay attention. He is not in the rose garden on tv? Trump says all is fine but he is know to fib a bit. Time will tell.
I have said before I am not a Biden fan he's too old, so is Trump and Bernie. I'm an old person saying that not a young one. Maybe we need this virus to thin the herd a little because there are some crazy, stupid people out there. Fish medicine guy comes to mind....... blame the media.... he's the NUT that ate FISH PILLS, because Trump mentioned them. Guess he didn't listen to Dr Fauci. I just pray it doesn't get someone I love or any of yours or kids. My Mom and dad all aunts & uncles are gone and I'm an only child that had an only child with 2 grandkids. I'm fighting for a very small circle in my little world. However I have many old and young (that think they are bullit proof, just like I would feel at 20 to 40) friends I truly worry and pray for.
I like Cuomo or one of these fantastic Governors. I'm am so happy there are so many good ones out there on both side and we are seeing who they are. I just tell people to watch both sides. If you can find a Republican who will take on Trump I would vote them him in a minute. I never thought I would say I miss George Bush, but I do It's a SHAME none of them stepped up before in EITHER PARTY. JMO
Thank you for answering vijs's question and being helpful, very compassionat and informative. Also for working right now.
I don't know if Fauci will leave or get fired. Nobody is immune to firing by this president. I don't mind that one bit.
All I know at this point is Fauci has been nothing but extremely complimentary about this president's performance so far and he was extremely effusive in his praise of Trump. Fauci's contribution in this war has been immense. If there is a point where he finds the president's decision untenable, there might be a parting of the ways. I can tell you are hoping Fauci does leave or gets fired. You are giddy in anticipation, in my opinion. At this point, there's no indication of Fauci's impending departure. President Trump said he has been excellent and they work very well together. He likes him very much. I bet that made you grind your teeth a little. Let's hope congress can get their act together and keep the Green New Deal garbage out of this Covid19 bill so people can get some help. That was disgusting.
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I will point out AGAIN.... those numbers are OUT OF DATE ...... On Monday (23rd) ...... they posted the numbers from SUNDAY (22nd at 4 PM) Now you figure out how many hours have passed !!!
Norma, she posted this so people can click on a link. Now everyone knows where to go for the updated numbers. Over the past few days I've noticed that the mortality rate seems to be holding right around 1.2%. I think the real number is going to be quite a bit lower than that. As far as I'm concerned, the key number to know would be the mortality rate if we exclude people over 65. If we could somehow do a reasonable job of keeping those high risk people protected and isolated, while accepting a mortality risk of the rest that is acceptable (ie: more in line with influenza), then a plan could be put in place to get America back to work. I can tell that is how Trump is thinking right about now. Behind the scenes, I think he is working on a consensus....prodding and coaxing. I betcha anything.
Why? Those numbers are out of date .....
Proof ...... Arkansas (CDC) numbers ON that link
Arkansas 197
REAL time .....
206 confirmed positive cases of COVID-19 in Arkansas
How do YOU know those are real time? Compiling data isn't instant.
Since she has me on "ignore" ....LOL ..... she won't see that MY information comes from the state itself ....NOT 2 days later from the CDC ..... but then again.....she continues to post crap day in and day out .... I am sure her next post will be something from Dan BamBoozle ..... Bye ....bye ......
Well Norma, She didnt call you Lazy, so you must be doing something right..
LOL ...... but we can dub her the "QUEEN of Cut and Paste" ..... and promotor of "opinionators" (Dan BamBoozle) ..... LOL
Dan Bongino worked for the New York Police Department, CIA and Secret Service as well as being a criminal investigator. He's interesting to listen to and knows his job. Truly a patriot. Did you know that or do you just trash anyone who's openly conservative.
Oh yeah, he's also married to a legal immigrant from South American and is of Cuban origin himself so you would have a tough time calling him racist.
I thought this was hilarious. There's truth to it as well:
President Trump: "We must try hydroxychloroquine & azithromycin."
The Media: "That's false hope! It's not approved for use yet!"
New York Gov. Cuomo: "We must try hydroxychloroquine & azithromycin."
The Media: "This is real leadership! What a fantastic idea!"
I think Trump is a really cool dude, anything he says people/media will just twist it to try their darnest to make him look bad, but the ones that count knows better. Trump 2020 , and NO I would not lick anything if he tolded me too.. ha ha ha ha
“Dr. Anthony Fauci slammed the media for spinning a narrative that he was butting heads with President Trump over the country’s coronavirus response, calling it ‘really unfortunate’ and ‘not helpful’ that there are stories ‘pitting’ him against the president.”
“‘I would wish that that would stop, because we have a much bigger problem here than trying to point out differences,’ Fauci told WMAL’s Mornings on the Mall on Tuesday. ‘Really, fundamentally at the core, when you look at things, there are not differences.’”
Well that’s timely. Seems like I was just debating this with somebody yesterday. They specifically mention that ridiculous interview with that “science” magazine.
Maybe Trump waterboarded Dr. Fauci and made him say this, right?
I really hope we can get the country back up and running by Easter. I'm still pessimistic any of this will blow over before July/August, but it is nice to hear the President being optimistic and hopeful. He's also realistic, he knows we can't keep everything shut down for months. All that will do is cause more hurt to the economy then it already has.
My political 2 cents. . .the Governor of New York is a whiney ass. I listened to him for a few minutes today before I had to turn it off.
Posted 2020-03-25 10:15 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas
The second person die yesterday from Coronvirus in San Antonio she worked part time at St.Lukes Catholic Church school she was in her 40's the first was a lady in her 80's she die this sunday night. And it was not an underlying issue it was the coronvirus that killed them.
Posted 2020-03-25 10:34 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Scooters Savior
Location: "Si Fi" Ville
Bear, I sprayed my wall down after reading the comment regarding waterboarding. Next time, I will refrain from taking a drink before reading your comments. I laughed so hard it hurt. Good one!
Posted 2020-03-25 10:38 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas
How did the podcast of BHW's go with Scott? I bet it was good.
Edited to add: Well how did you do Scott, were you shy or excited to get your voice out there ? I didnt listen I was out feeding and cleaning water troughs so missed it..
Posted 2020-03-25 11:25 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794 Location: Kansas
Bear - 2020-03-24 12:33 PM
Palopony - 2020-03-24 11:53 AM
I didn't post those numbers to show anything other than that I have been watching it since 3/10 and paying attention, while many said it was a hoax. All while complaining it was the Democratic Mayor of Houston that spoiled the Rodeo for everyone over politics because he's a libtard, according to many. For no other reason than it scares me. You guys can believe whatever you want, welcome to America.
I just watched Cuomo give a wonderful press conference and answer questions like an adult, he's really mad now not telling you how great the President is doing now.Look up why me's mad, or listen.
He sounded to me like someone in charge and trying to do something. I am now watching Pence on Fox and sure wishing he sounded as smart as Cuomo. I'm really glad the President is hopeful. insert eye roll.
I will just sit back and watch myself. Something else my husband said (he heard on talk radio) keep in mind at one time he thought Trump would do a good job. I may want Dr Faunci to get fired by Trump now........... I hear he is an old friend of the Cuomo family. Bet he is scared to fire him now because I think he's the type guy who would tell the truth to protect the people. JMO
Can't wait to listen President Trump soon.\
ETA: Back in the old days they got real mad over cut and paste. I believe I was called lazy for that a few times. Truth is I am, way easier than typing the then grammar nazis used to come out and attack over that too. Oh the good old days. Just so you know I'm old don't care and can't spell. My brain goes faster than my fingers a lot too.
You literally just posted nothing of any value in regards to Coronavirus. It was all political....and that's fine with me. Trump is doing a great job, all things considered, in my opinion. I don't need rumors to convince me of that. I have a brain and eyes. Do you think Joe Biden would have handled it better? After all, he is your candidate. Did you watch his coronavirus conference from home? Did you cry for him? I dam near did.
Posted 2020-03-25 11:40 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351 Location: Bastrop, Texas
Frodo - 2020-03-25 11:25 AM
Bear - 2020-03-24 12:33 PM
Palopony - 2020-03-24 11:53 AM
I didn't post those numbers to show anything other than that I have been watching it since 3/10 and paying attention, while many said it was a hoax. All while complaining it was the Democratic Mayor of Houston that spoiled the Rodeo for everyone over politics because he's a libtard, according to many. For no other reason than it scares me. You guys can believe whatever you want, welcome to America.
I just watched Cuomo give a wonderful press conference and answer questions like an adult, he's really mad now not telling you how great the President is doing now.Look up why me's mad, or listen.
He sounded to me like someone in charge and trying to do something. I am now watching Pence on Fox and sure wishing he sounded as smart as Cuomo. I'm really glad the President is hopeful. insert eye roll.
I will just sit back and watch myself. Something else my husband said (he heard on talk radio) keep in mind at one time he thought Trump would do a good job. I may want Dr Faunci to get fired by Trump now........... I hear he is an old friend of the Cuomo family. Bet he is scared to fire him now because I think he's the type guy who would tell the truth to protect the people. JMO
Can't wait to listen President Trump soon.\
ETA: Back in the old days they got real mad over cut and paste. I believe I was called lazy for that a few times. Truth is I am, way easier than typing the then grammar nazis used to come out and attack over that too. Oh the good old days. Just so you know I'm old don't care and can't spell. My brain goes faster than my fingers a lot too.
You literally just posted nothing of any value in regards to Coronavirus. It was all political....and that's fine with me. Trump is doing a great job, all things considered, in my opinion. I don't need rumors to convince me of that. I have a brain and eyes. Do you think Joe Biden would have handled it better? After all, he is your candidate. Did you watch his coronavirus conference from home? Did you cry for him? I dam near did.
I didn't post those numbers to show anything other than that I have been watching it since 3/10 and paying attention, while many said it was a hoax. All while complaining it was the Democratic Mayor of Houston that spoiled the Rodeo for everyone over politics because he's a libtard, according to many. For no other reason than it scares me. You guys can believe whatever you want, welcome to America.
I just watched Cuomo give a wonderful press conference and answer questions like an adult, he's really mad now not telling you how great the President is doing now.Look up why me's mad, or listen.
He sounded to me like someone in charge and trying to do something. I am now watching Pence on Fox and sure wishing he sounded as smart as Cuomo. I'm really glad the President is hopeful. insert eye roll.
I will just sit back and watch myself. Something else my husband said (he heard on talk radio) keep in mind at one time he thought Trump would do a good job. I may want Dr Faunci to get fired by Trump now........... I hear he is an old friend of the Cuomo family. Bet he is scared to fire him now because I think he's the type guy who would tell the truth to protect the people. JMO
Can't wait to listen President Trump soon.\
ETA: Back in the old days they got real mad over cut and paste. I believe I was called lazy for that a few times. Truth is I am, way easier than typing the then grammar nazis used to come out and attack over that too. Oh the good old days. Just so you know I'm old don't care and can't spell. My brain goes faster than my fingers a lot too.
You literally just posted nothing of any value in regards to Coronavirus. It was all political....and that's fine with me. Trump is doing a great job, all things considered, in my opinion. I don't need rumors to convince me of that. I have a brain and eyes. Do you think Joe Biden would have handled it better? After all, he is your candidate. Did you watch his coronavirus conference from home? Did you cry for him? I dam near did.
He was in a Forrest Gump daze the whole time.
How dare you? That's an insult to Forrest Gump!
Could have sworn I saw Joe's mouth move and he was saying: "Sometimes there just aren't enuff rocks."
I didn't post those numbers to show anything other than that I have been watching it since 3/10 and paying attention, while many said it was a hoax. All while complaining it was the Democratic Mayor of Houston that spoiled the Rodeo for everyone over politics because he's a libtard, according to many. For no other reason than it scares me. You guys can believe whatever you want, welcome to America.
I just watched Cuomo give a wonderful press conference and answer questions like an adult, he's really mad now not telling you how great the President is doing now.Look up why me's mad, or listen.
He sounded to me like someone in charge and trying to do something. I am now watching Pence on Fox and sure wishing he sounded as smart as Cuomo. I'm really glad the President is hopeful. insert eye roll.
I will just sit back and watch myself. Something else my husband said (he heard on talk radio) keep in mind at one time he thought Trump would do a good job. I may want Dr Faunci to get fired by Trump now........... I hear he is an old friend of the Cuomo family. Bet he is scared to fire him now because I think he's the type guy who would tell the truth to protect the people. JMO
Can't wait to listen President Trump soon.\
ETA: Back in the old days they got real mad over cut and paste. I believe I was called lazy for that a few times. Truth is I am, way easier than typing the then grammar nazis used to come out and attack over that too. Oh the good old days. Just so you know I'm old don't care and can't spell. My brain goes faster than my fingers a lot too.
You literally just posted nothing of any value in regards to Coronavirus. It was all political....and that's fine with me. Trump is doing a great job, all things considered, in my opinion. I don't need rumors to convince me of that. I have a brain and eyes. Do you think Joe Biden would have handled it better? After all, he is your candidate. Did you watch his coronavirus conference from home? Did you cry for him? I dam near did.
He was in a Forrest Gump daze the whole time.
How dare you? That's an insult to Forrest Gump!
Could have sworn I saw Joe's mouth move and he was saying: "Sometimes there just aren't enuff rocks."
That poor man I'm kinda feeling sorry for him, its a shame that they are putting him out there, I really really think theres something wrong with him health wise, I just cant understand what hes saying most of the time when I do hear him talk, but I did understand what he said when he called that girl a Lying Face Pony Soldier that was so funny, I know it was'nt for the girl at the time but By golly that was funny.
I truly do feel sorry for this man, I think its shame on the ones that are putting him in this spot, they all have got to know something is not right with him. He just dont look healthy and alsways lost in his speeches. Its going to be really sad if he collapse's during one of his speeches.
I didn't post those numbers to show anything other than that I have been watching it since 3/10 and paying attention, while many said it was a hoax. All while complaining it was the Democratic Mayor of Houston that spoiled the Rodeo for everyone over politics because he's a libtard, according to many. For no other reason than it scares me. You guys can believe whatever you want, welcome to America.
I just watched Cuomo give a wonderful press conference and answer questions like an adult, he's really mad now not telling you how great the President is doing now.Look up why me's mad, or listen.
He sounded to me like someone in charge and trying to do something. I am now watching Pence on Fox and sure wishing he sounded as smart as Cuomo. I'm really glad the President is hopeful. insert eye roll.
I will just sit back and watch myself. Something else my husband said (he heard on talk radio) keep in mind at one time he thought Trump would do a good job. I may want Dr Faunci to get fired by Trump now........... I hear he is an old friend of the Cuomo family. Bet he is scared to fire him now because I think he's the type guy who would tell the truth to protect the people. JMO
Can't wait to listen President Trump soon.\
ETA: Back in the old days they got real mad over cut and paste. I believe I was called lazy for that a few times. Truth is I am, way easier than typing the then grammar nazis used to come out and attack over that too. Oh the good old days. Just so you know I'm old don't care and can't spell. My brain goes faster than my fingers a lot too.
You literally just posted nothing of any value in regards to Coronavirus. It was all political....and that's fine with me. Trump is doing a great job, all things considered, in my opinion. I don't need rumors to convince me of that. I have a brain and eyes. Do you think Joe Biden would have handled it better? After all, he is your candidate. Did you watch his coronavirus conference from home? Did you cry for him? I dam near did.
He was in a Forrest Gump daze the whole time.
How dare you? That's an insult to Forrest Gump!
Could have sworn I saw Joe's mouth move and he was saying: "Sometimes there just aren't enuff rocks."
That poor man I'm kinda feeling sorry for him, its a shame that they are putting him out there, I really really think theres something wrong with him health wise, I just cant understand what hes saying most of the time when I do hear him talk, but I did understand what he said when he called that girl a Lying Face Pony Soldier that was so funny, I know it was'nt for the girl at the time but By golly that was funny.
I truly do feel sorry for this man, I think its shame on the ones that are putting him in this spot, they all have got to know something is not right with him. He just dont look healthy and alsways lost in his speeches. Its going to be really sad if he collapse's during one of his speeches.
You got it wrong. He said, "You're a lying, dog-faced, pony soldier!" You left out the "dog-faced" part.
I didn't post those numbers to show anything other than that I have been watching it since 3/10 and paying attention, while many said it was a hoax. All while complaining it was the Democratic Mayor of Houston that spoiled the Rodeo for everyone over politics because he's a libtard, according to many. For no other reason than it scares me. You guys can believe whatever you want, welcome to America.
I just watched Cuomo give a wonderful press conference and answer questions like an adult, he's really mad now not telling you how great the President is doing now.Look up why me's mad, or listen.
He sounded to me like someone in charge and trying to do something. I am now watching Pence on Fox and sure wishing he sounded as smart as Cuomo. I'm really glad the President is hopeful. insert eye roll.
I will just sit back and watch myself. Something else my husband said (he heard on talk radio) keep in mind at one time he thought Trump would do a good job. I may want Dr Faunci to get fired by Trump now........... I hear he is an old friend of the Cuomo family. Bet he is scared to fire him now because I think he's the type guy who would tell the truth to protect the people. JMO
Can't wait to listen President Trump soon.\
ETA: Back in the old days they got real mad over cut and paste. I believe I was called lazy for that a few times. Truth is I am, way easier than typing the then grammar nazis used to come out and attack over that too. Oh the good old days. Just so you know I'm old don't care and can't spell. My brain goes faster than my fingers a lot too.
You literally just posted nothing of any value in regards to Coronavirus. It was all political....and that's fine with me. Trump is doing a great job, all things considered, in my opinion. I don't need rumors to convince me of that. I have a brain and eyes. Do you think Joe Biden would have handled it better? After all, he is your candidate. Did you watch his coronavirus conference from home? Did you cry for him? I dam near did.
He was in a Forrest Gump daze the whole time.
How dare you? That's an insult to Forrest Gump!
Could have sworn I saw Joe's mouth move and he was saying: "Sometimes there just aren't enuff rocks."
That poor man I'm kinda feeling sorry for him, its a shame that they are putting him out there, I really really think theres something wrong with him health wise, I just cant understand what hes saying most of the time when I do hear him talk, but I did understand what he said when he called that girl a Lying Face Pony Soldier that was so funny, I know it was'nt for the girl at the time but By golly that was funny.
I truly do feel sorry for this man, I think its shame on the ones that are putting him in this spot, they all have got to know something is not right with him. He just dont look healthy and alsways lost in his speeches. Its going to be really sad if he collapse's during one of his speeches.
You got it wrong. He said, "You're a lying, dog-faced, pony soldier!" You left out the "dog-faced" part.
Oh shoot I did, ha ha ha ha.. I just thought that was the funnist thing that hes ever said. Poor old fella.
So very mature Dr Bear and such good info for this thread. Thanks so much for keeping us updated.
Were you triggered palo?
Palopony so whats all the hating on Bear for? We all can disagree on topics but you have really singled out Bear ALOT, I was just wondering.
No hating for Bear at all........ he says I turn everything political and I really don't. I swear some of you don't even read what I post.
Party on.
ETA: How come no one is concerned Bear is hating on me? I never called him names like he does anyone who thinks like me. Did I?
You guys got pretty calm for a while there, so I thought every thing was going to stay that way, oh well party on, politics can really bring out the worst in alot of us. But since my thread was tainted by jd&ez politics went kinda haywire, lol..
So very mature Dr Bear and such good info for this thread. Thanks so much for keeping us updated.
Were you triggered palo?
Palopony so whats all the hating on Bear for? We all can disagree on topics but you have really singled out Bear ALOT, I was just wondering.
No hating for Bear at all........ he says I turn everything political and I really don't. I swear some of you don't even read what I post.
Party on.
ETA: How come no one is concerned Bear is hating on me? I never called him names like he does anyone who thinks like me. Did I?
In psychiatry parlance, this is called "projection", meaning accusing others of that of which you yourself are guilty.
Examples:
"crazy little child"
"Doctor with an attitude"
Now, for the record, I honestly don't care if you want to call me names, or pin labels on me. I can handle it. I'm one of those old farts that doesn't label every conflict as "bullying".
I will say that I am proud of my restraint when I read remarks like this coming from you:
" My reference on killing off old people would solve a lot of healthcare problems for many countries."
That's called "genocide". When used at the other end of the specrum, it's called "infanticide", which is acceptable, even celebrated, in some circles, sadly.
So very mature Dr Bear and such good info for this thread. Thanks so much for keeping us updated.
Were you triggered palo?
Palopony so whats all the hating on Bear for? We all can disagree on topics but you have really singled out Bear ALOT, I was just wondering.
No hating for Bear at all........ he says I turn everything political and I really don't. I swear some of you don't even read what I post.
Party on.
ETA: How come no one is concerned Bear is hating on me? I never called him names like he does anyone who thinks like me. Did I?
In psychiatry parlance, this is called "projection", meaning accusing others of that of which you yourself are guilty.
Examples:
"crazy little child"
"Doctor with an attitude"
Now, for the record, I honestly don't care if you want to call me names, or pin labels on me. I can handle it. I'm one of those old farts that doesn't label every conflict as "bullying".
I will say that I am proud of my restraint when I read remarks like this coming from you:
" My reference on killing off old people would solve a lot of healthcare problems for many countries."
That's called "genocide". When used at the other end of the specrum, it's called "infanticide", which is acceptable, even celebrated, in some circles, sadly.
Well I guess I did.......... on one hand I love kids.
I guess it's constantly being called all the names and raked over the coals for what I think by a quite a group. You all got the best of me.
I'm truly sorry you just keep thinking what you want.
I feel certain you all have all the answers. I will just watch and see, never seen anything like it in my life. Thought it was a discussion.
Posted 2020-03-26 5:49 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Proud to be Deplorable
Posts: 1929
Palopony - 2020-03-25 11:14 PM
Bear - 2020-03-25 8:28 PM
Palopony - 2020-03-25 6:36 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-25 5:45 PM
Bear - 2020-03-25 4:20 PM
Palopony - 2020-03-25 2:35 PM
So very mature Dr Bear and such good info for this thread. Thanks so much for keeping us updated.
Were you triggered palo?
Palopony so whats all the hating on Bear for? We all can disagree on topics but you have really singled out Bear ALOT, I was just wondering.
No hating for Bear at all........ he says I turn everything political and I really don't. I swear some of you don't even read what I post.
Party on.
ETA: How come no one is concerned Bear is hating on me? I never called him names like he does anyone who thinks like me. Did I?
In psychiatry parlance, this is called "projection", meaning accusing others of that of which you yourself are guilty.
Examples:
"crazy little child"
"Doctor with an attitude"
Now, for the record, I honestly don't care if you want to call me names, or pin labels on me. I can handle it. I'm one of those old farts that doesn't label every conflict as "bullying".
I will say that I am proud of my restraint when I read remarks like this coming from you:
" My reference on killing off old people would solve a lot of healthcare problems for many countries."
That's called "genocide". When used at the other end of the specrum, it's called "infanticide", which is acceptable, even celebrated, in some circles, sadly.
Well I guess I did.......... on one hand I love kids.
I guess it's constantly being called all the names and raked over the coals for what I think by a quite a group. You all got the best of me.
I'm truly sorry you just keep thinking what you want.
I feel certain you all have all the answers. I will just watch and see, never seen anything like it in my life. Thought it was a discussion.
I was wrong.
Truly sorry
Question. Have you ever read your comments? For every action there is a reaction.
Posted 2020-03-26 10:47 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Ms. Dr. Phil
Location: My happy place
Yes I have read my comments. I have also read many comments on here since 2006.
I remember all the hateful things said about Obama and his wife, and everything he did.
I got into it with the Dr over healthcare. Sometimes not even letting the people from Canada tell us about theirs.
I got into it with all of you over the Iraq war.
Lets not forget Hillary heck she still gets brought up and trashed.
So that........... be nice and respect the office only applies to Republicans in office.
I just wish the Dr would provide useful information instead of trashing me. I would sure think he would have better things to do.
I will just watch and see I also read trucking and several RV forums. Just to see how concerned and what people think.
My thoughts are instead of trashing Obama, Hillary, Biden, Pelosi you better look a little closer.
Sorry I hurt feelings. How come you all call names and call people like me snowflakes?
ETA: It has affected me yesterday I had 2 friends pass, don't know the details one went to hospital went on vent and died, the other lived in FL and I don't know. One was a runner the other showed horses. I have several friends and friends kids who didn't take this serious they are know under self quarintine because people they have come in contact with are now in the hospital very since and on vents. These poeple were health a few weeks go they were 60 & 65.
Posted 2020-03-26 11:08 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351 Location: Bastrop, Texas
Palopony - 2020-03-26 10:47 AM
Yes I have read my comments. I have also read many comments on here since 2006.
I remember all the hateful things said about Obama and his wife, and everything he did.
I got into it with the Dr over healthcare. Sometimes not even letting the people from Canada tell us about theirs.
I got into it with all of you over the Iraq war.
Lets not forget Hillary heck she still gets brought up and trashed.
So that........... be nice and respect the office only applies to Republicans in office.
I just wish the Dr would provide useful information instead of trashing me. I would sure think he would have better things to do.
I will just watch and see I also read trucking and several RV forums. Just to see how concerned and what people think.
My thoughts are instead of trashing Obama, Hillary, Biden, Pelosi you better look a little closer.
Sorry I hurt feelings. How come you all call names and call people like me snowflakes?
Why the need for the circumstantiality and flights of ideas? What's with the Obama/Hillary/Iraq War stuff all about? I understand your inclination to get off on those tangents, but you didn't hurt anyone's feelings one bit. You seem to perseverate on this idea of feelings being hurt, or "bullying", as some are quickly inclined to call it. Look in the mirror. It appears to me that the only one with hurt feelings is yourself. Why don't you hit the reset button and let's get back to discussing the topic at hand. Fair enough? That being said, I think it is very hard, if not unavoidable, to include the political battles that are ongoing over this pandemic. Practically everywhere you read, and everything you hear about this has political overtones. That's almost always the case in any large national crisis. Nobody will explode or turn into a pillar of salt if they happen to bring up the politics of this crisis. If someone feels politics is so repugnant that they are compelled to lash out at anyone who brings it up, then maybe they need to avoid this thread and focus on something else.
I have no problem discussing politics at all. I was again I'm answering the question ....... What is the Hillary etc? The comments about Hillary etc were just to remind you all the things posted here over the years, and why I'm so defensive. Besides what is going on right now is crazy. My feelings aren't hurt at all, I just say that in hopes you won't silence others really. Also to stop the gang up on mentality I see so often. I think a few on here are nuts and would do whatever the President says. JMO
I am still amazed you all defend the President you sure didn't defend ANYTHING Obama did. I believe he was sure called out on anything and everything he did.
Here's a few to think about. I think Bill Gates has posted exactly how I feel about this virus and what we should learn from it. If you all want to go to work and keep the economy moving, I understand and thank you. If really helps my retirement fund, however I don't consider that an important issue right now. Thank you again for all the people working because they have to.
I have no problem discussing politics at all. I was again I'm answering the question ....... What is the Hillary etc? The comments about Hillary etc were just to remind you all the things posted here over the years, and why I'm so defensive. Besides what is going on right now is crazy. My feelings aren't hurt at all, I just say that in hopes you won't silence others really. Also to stop the gang up on mentality I see so often. I think a few on here are nuts and would do whatever the President says. JMO
I am still amazed you all defend the President you sure didn't defend ANYTHING Obama did. I believe he was sure called out on anything and everything he did.
Here's a few to think about. I think Bill Gates has posted exactly how I feel about this virus and what we should learn from it. If you all want to go to work and keep the economy moving, I understand and thank you. If really helps my retirement fund, however I don't consider that an important issue right now. Thank you again for all the people working because they have to.
The thing is not one of us on here said anything about this virus being a democratic hoax no politics were even mention, We were discussion this all in a normal matter. And Scott came on here giving us great infor and explaining this virus in a normal way that most of us could understand, I know Scott can be a knucklehead like any one of us, but he was really doing a good job at explaining and answering questions till politics got thrown in and he didnt even start the politics talk.
Nobody is being "silenced". Let's get that straight. I didn't have to watch Bill Gates video from 2015. I saw it 4-5 years ago. He's not the first one to warn us of the dangers of pandemics. People before Bill Gates warned us. The entire world was not prepared. We never have been. Our response to this, given the circumstances, has been very good, overall, in my opinion. You can bet that Trump will make sure we will be better prepared then ever and he will deal with China's choke hold over us during his second term.
Well I was thinking today that everybody should have started to get a grip on themselves and stop buying out everything in Wal Mart and HEB, wrong I needed to get sugar {hummingbirds are back and demanding their sugar water} so went to get sugar and a few other things and holy heck theres more empty shelves then ever, all sugar was gone I did managed to get 2 small bags, but all the cleaning products and clothes soap shelves were empty, very limtied on most things. I still cant find my Vit.C, I did order some on line but still not have gotton it yet and that was almost 2 weeks ago. I wonder how long this is going to go on, will the panic ever stop?
Bear, what is your opinion on the drug combo that Trump and others are hopeful about? The student in my sons school that was in ICU responded very well to it, he was not doing well but is fine now. What about those that are dying, are they getting the meds or is it not offered everywhere?
Just a little concerned because the horses (along with all the people that are taking care of them) that are in New Orleans can only stay at the Fairgrounds racetrack until April 12, then most of them are supposed to be moving here to Evangeline Downs. There are several confirmed cases at the backside of the racetrack in NOLA so everything is up in the air right now as to if they get to move or not.
Bear, what is your opinion on the drug combo that Trump and others are hopeful about? The student in my sons school that was in ICU responded very well to it, he was not doing well but is fine now. What about those that are dying, are they getting the meds or is it not offered everywhere?
Just a little concerned because the horses (along with all the people that are taking care of them) that are in New Orleans can only stay at the Fairgrounds racetrack until April 12, then most of them are supposed to be moving here to Evangeline Downs. There are several confirmed cases at the backside of the racetrack in NOLA so everything is up in the air right now as to if they get to move or not.
The two drugs everyone is talking about are Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine. Those are the drugs that have been around since the 1950's. They have been used for malaria and diseases like lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. "Plaquenil" is the trade name for Hydroxychloroquine, and some of you may have heard of it. Some studies claim that these drugs work better when combined with Azithromycin ("zpac"). It is correct and accurate to describe the preliminary studies so far as "anectodal", because they are not entirely scientifically sound. They are "open label", meaning they aren't double blind. They are not real well designed. They aren't randomized, and they had quite a few participants drop out of the study, for some unknown reason. I'm talking about the French study which was very small. Because of President Trump, the FDA has relaxed restrictions and is allowing for "off label" use, meaning use for conditions that have not been subject to the typical standards and scrutiny. More and more people are using them, but enter into a study at the same time, which is what Dr Fauci has been pushing for. The combination with Zpac looks promising, but there is some increased risks for serious side effects. Most of the more dangerous side effects occur at a higher dose for a longer period than the 5-10 days typically used for covid-19. Still, there are risks. The main risk is of abnormal heart rhythms because of abnormalities in the heart's conduction system. Another risk is retinopathy or eye damage, although that is usually seen with much higher doses for longer times. Azithromycin itself can have the same cardiac side effects, and the combination of both is additive. Overall the drugs appear safe, but they are not "completely safe". There are also antiviral drugs that look promising, like remdisivir. Some anti HIV drugs are being looked at.
I see that the US has overtaken China & Italy in confirmed cases.
Is that because the US truly has more cases or does the US have more test readily available than China & Italy did (do)?
That's not at all surprising to me, because we were expecting a big surge in the reported numbers of Covid19 cases because our testing has taken off almost exponentially. We knew this would happen and it really isn't alarming. We are still getting more and more testing done every day. They really did a great job of streamlining and kicking that into gear quickly.
* The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells. * Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies. * The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam). By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own. * HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 77 degrees Fahrenheit for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful. * Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus. * Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside. * Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin. * NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive. * NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only -between 3 hours (fabric and porous), -4 hours (copper and wood) -24 hours (cardboard), - 42 hours (metal) and -72 hours (plastic). But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose. * The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars. They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster. * UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin. * The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin. * Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat. * NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%. * LISTERINE IF IT SERVES! It is 65% alcohol. * The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less. * You have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom. * You have to Moisturize dry hands from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better. * Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there. -JOHNS HOPKINS HOSPITAL
Excellent post. Reputable source. Also, I want to add: Evidence seems to be accumulating that it's preferable to avoid NSAIDS like ibuprofen. Use Tylenol (acetaminophen) if possible. There's some suggestion that patients who used ibuprofen seem to fare worse.
Excellent post. Reputable source. Also, I want to add: Evidence seems to be accumulating that it's preferable to avoid NSAIDS like ibuprofen. Use Tylenol (acetaminophen) if possible. There's some suggestion that patients who used ibuprofen seem to fare worse.
Wow, I had no idea of this. Thank You for letting us know. I wear my back on track stuff vs taking ibuprofin but I will admit, I have had to resort to ibuprofin at times. Sucks getting older
I see that the US has overtaken China & Italy in confirmed cases.
Is that because the US truly has more cases or does the US have more test readily available than China & Italy did (do)?
Hillary just made a really funny joke when she was told about the US leading in coronavirus cases. Taking a shot at Trump she said "Well, he did promise America First.
I see that the US has overtaken China & Italy in confirmed cases.
Is that because the US truly has more cases or does the US have more test readily available than China & Italy did (do)?
Hillary just made a really funny joke when she was told about the US leading in coronavirus cases. Taking a shot at Trump she said "Well, he did promise America First.
What a crackup.
Why of course. Hillary needs to take a shot whenever she gets a chance. That's all she's good for.
This man died yesterday, hes from New Braunfels but died in a Austin hospital, he was a healthy 44 year old man NO underlying issues, he tested postive Wednesday and died the next day..
This man died yesterday, hes from New Braunfels but died in a Austin hospital, he was a healthy 44 year old man NO underlying issues, he tested postive Wednesday and died the next day..
That's just incredibly sad. There are other cases like this all over the country, but so far, the vast numbers are those who fall into those high risk categories: diabetic, obese, coronary artery disease, cancer, immunocompromised, etc - particularly those over 65. The question is what is the risk to people under 65 with none of the risk factors? We really don't know what that risk is because we really do NOT know how many people have Covid19. In a few weeks we'll have a better idea. I suspect when the dust as settled the risk to people under 65 without risk factors will be closer to H1N1. Young people died from H1N1 as well, but fortunately those were rare instances. Of course, with H1N1, children under 4 and infants were in a higher risk category, along with the elderly. With Covid19, children are not at high risk. Yes, there have been a few deaths, but not at an alarming rate, like H1N1.
This man died yesterday, hes from New Braunfels but died in a Austin hospital, he was a healthy 44 year old man NO underlying issues, he tested postive Wednesday and died the next day..
That's just incredibly sad. There are other cases like this all over the country, but so far, the vast numbers are those who fall into those high risk categories: diabetic, obese, coronary artery disease, cancer, immunocompromised, etc - particularly those over 65. The question is what is the risk to people under 65 with none of the risk factors? We really don't know what that risk is because we really do NOT know how many people have Covid19. In a few weeks we'll have a better idea. I suspect when the dust as settled the risk to people under 65 without risk factors will be closer to H1N1. Young people died from H1N1 as well, but fortunately those were rare instances. Of course, with H1N1, children under 4 and infants were in a higher risk category, along with the elderly. With Covid19, children are not at high risk. Yes, there have been a few deaths, but not at an alarming rate, like H1N1.
Question Bear, I have heard a few times that when the weather starts to warm up and stays warm there should be fewer cases of the coronavirus and the virus will start to be less and less, how does the weather have anything to do with this virus?
This man died yesterday, hes from New Braunfels but died in a Austin hospital, he was a healthy 44 year old man NO underlying issues, he tested postive Wednesday and died the next day..
That's just incredibly sad. There are other cases like this all over the country, but so far, the vast numbers are those who fall into those high risk categories: diabetic, obese, coronary artery disease, cancer, immunocompromised, etc - particularly those over 65. The question is what is the risk to people under 65 with none of the risk factors? We really don't know what that risk is because we really do NOT know how many people have Covid19. In a few weeks we'll have a better idea. I suspect when the dust as settled the risk to people under 65 without risk factors will be closer to H1N1. Young people died from H1N1 as well, but fortunately those were rare instances. Of course, with H1N1, children under 4 and infants were in a higher risk category, along with the elderly. With Covid19, children are not at high risk. Yes, there have been a few deaths, but not at an alarming rate, like H1N1.
Question Bear, I have heard a few times that when the weather starts to warm up and stays warm there should be fewer cases of the coronavirus and the virus will start to be less and less, how does the weather have anything to do with this virus?
Good question. I think I mentioned this in another post, but it's worth repeating. When SARS (severe adult respiratory syndrome) broke out in China in the spring of 2003, over a 2-3 month span, there were 8000 cases, with 800 deaths, for a 10% mortality....ten times more lethal than Covid19. When the warmer summer months arrived, the SARS epidemic vanished. It didn't cycle back, so many feel that the warmer, longer days basically wiped it out. There have been 4-5 cases since, mostly in lab personnel working with the virus. Both Covid19 virus and SARS virus are closely related Corona viruses. The hope is that this will at least die down, if not stop completely over the warm, long days of summer. If you look at that now familiar map of the world that shows red balls over areas of dense pockets of Covid19, one thing you notice is a lot less in the Southern Hemisphere. They were in summer down there until last week, and the weather will start cooling. We may see an increase in Covid19 in the Southern Hemisphere, and if my hope is reality, we might see a decline up here. It might at least give us a break for a few months....enough time, at least enough to get these new medicines studied better. That, plus we will know more epidemiologically and can get most of the country back to work again. Better yet, the virus just dies off, the way SARS did. Dr Fauci actually talked about that yesterday and said the same thing.
We HOPE, but nobody knows....yet.
ETA: it's felt that temps in the 80+ range, plus longer exposure to UV radiation (longer daylight exposure) kills the virus.
This man died yesterday, hes from New Braunfels but died in a Austin hospital, he was a healthy 44 year old man NO underlying issues, he tested postive Wednesday and died the next day..
That's just incredibly sad. There are other cases like this all over the country, but so far, the vast numbers are those who fall into those high risk categories: diabetic, obese, coronary artery disease, cancer, immunocompromised, etc - particularly those over 65. The question is what is the risk to people under 65 with none of the risk factors? We really don't know what that risk is because we really do NOT know how many people have Covid19. In a few weeks we'll have a better idea. I suspect when the dust as settled the risk to people under 65 without risk factors will be closer to H1N1. Young people died from H1N1 as well, but fortunately those were rare instances. Of course, with H1N1, children under 4 and infants were in a higher risk category, along with the elderly. With Covid19, children are not at high risk. Yes, there have been a few deaths, but not at an alarming rate, like H1N1.
Question Bear, I have heard a few times that when the weather starts to warm up and stays warm there should be fewer cases of the coronavirus and the virus will start to be less and less, how does the weather have anything to do with this virus?
Good question. I think I mentioned this in another post, but it's worth repeating. When SARS (severe adult respiratory syndrome) broke out in China in the spring of 2003, over a 2-3 month span, there were 8000 cases, with 800 deaths, for a 10% mortality....ten times more lethal than Covid19. When the warmer summer months arrived, the SARS epidemic vanished. It didn't cycle back, so many feel that the warmer, longer days basically wiped it out. There have been 4-5 cases since, mostly in lab personnel working with the virus. Both Covid19 virus and SARS virus are closely related Corona viruses. The hope is that this will at least die down, if not stop completely over the warm, long days of summer. If you look at that now familiar map of the world that shows red balls over areas of dense pockets of Covid19, one thing you notice is a lot less in the Southern Hemisphere. They were in summer down there until last week, and the weather will start cooling. We may see an increase in Covid19 in the Southern Hemisphere, and if my hope is reality, we might see a decline up here. It might at least give us a break for a few months....enough time, at least enough to get these new medicines studied better. That, plus we will know more epidemiologically and can get most of the country back to work again. Better yet, the virus just dies off, the way SARS did. Dr Fauci actually talked about that yesterday and said the same thing.
We HOPE, but nobody knows....yet.
ETA: it's felt that temps in the 80+ range, plus longer exposure to UV radiation (longer daylight exposure) kills the virus.
Thank you Scott, I was wondering how the cold and heat affected this, so I hope all this does happen so we can be over with this horror/nightmare/fear.
Posted 2020-03-29 10:17 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Another Question Scott, Can someone get the Virus again if have been cured once of it? Are is this a one time thing?Just wondering if you can get it over and over like the flu are a cold.
Another Question Scott, Can someone get the Virus again if have been cured once of it? Are is this a one time thing?Just wondering if you can get it over and over like the flu are a cold.
That's a very smart question, Roxie. I'm not positive, but I would say it seems very unlikely. I know there are a few reported cases where someone tested positive, completely recovered, and then tested positive again. I think it's more likely an error in the testing, either by the lab tech or the kit itself. No testing is 100% reliable. Of course there may be a very rare case in which there really was a re-infection. The jury is out.
What's really going to be helpful are the IgG/IgM rapid tests that are coming out over the next few days. The test will be able to give us a good idea as to who has been infected and who is recovered and immune. In an infection like Covid19, the initial response is for the B-cells to switch to cells that produce IgM against the specific virus. IgM is the kind of antibody you see first, but it typically takes at least 10 days to detect. It is a very large molecule, and it only lasts 5-6 days and starts to disappear. IgG comes along about 10-15 days later and it can last from 3-6 weeks. If you have IgM against Covid19, that means your infection is very recent, and unless you have IgG detectable, you don't know if you are immune. If you don't have IgM but you do have IgG against Covid19, then you have been infected in the past and that suggests immunity. If we widely deploy these quick tests for IgM and IgG we can learn several things. 1.) If you have been infected 2.) If you are immune. 3.) If your infection was recent (like within the past couple weeks) 4.) It will also be easy and cheap and can give us a better idea of the real incidence of Covid19 infection....as well as the real mortality rate.
Also, Covid19 is an RNA virus. Those viruses are less likely to mutate than DNA virus. It's because of mutating to different strains or the inability to predict which exisisting strain of influenza virus will emerge in a given year that we have to vaccinate from one flu season to the next.
I don't think we know about Covid19 yet. Maybe one vaccine will last several years, once it finally comes out.
I THINK once you've recovered, you are pretty well protected after Covid19. That's the way it looks to me.
Keep tabs on this, because it is a "novel" or "new" virus, so observations will be forthcoming and recommendations may very well change.
Another Question Scott, Can someone get the Virus again if have been cured once of it? Are is this a one time thing?Just wondering if you can get it over and over like the flu are a cold.
That's a very smart question, Roxie. I'm not positive, but I would say it seems very unlikely. I know there are a few reported cases where someone tested positive, completely recovered, and then tested positive again. I think it's more likely an error in the testing, either by the lab tech or the kit itself. No testing is 100% reliable. Of course there may be a very rare case in which there really was a re-infection. The jury is out.
What's really going to be helpful are the IgG/IgM rapid tests that are coming out over the next few days. The test will be able to give us a good idea as to who has been infected and who is recovered and immune. In an infection like Covid19, the initial response is for the B-cells to switch to cells that produce IgM against the specific virus. IgM is the kind of antibody you see first, but it typically takes at least 10 days to detect. It is a very large molecule, and it only lasts 5-6 days and starts to disappear. IgG comes along about 10-15 days later and it can last from 3-6 weeks. If you have IgM against Covid19, that means your infection is very recent, and unless you have IgG detectable, you don't know if you are immune. If you don't have IgM but you do have IgG against Covid19, then you have been infected in the past and that suggests immunity. If we widely deploy these quick tests for IgM and IgG we can learn several things. 1.) If you have been infected 2.) If you are immune. 3.) If your infection was recent (like within the past couple weeks) 4.) It will also be easy and cheap and can give us a better idea of the real incidence of Covid19 infection....as well as the real mortality rate.
Thank you Scott, you can really answer questions the way I can understand.
Another Question Scott, Can someone get the Virus again if have been cured once of it? Are is this a one time thing?Just wondering if you can get it over and over like the flu are a cold.
That's a very smart question, Roxie. I'm not positive, but I would say it seems very unlikely. I know there are a few reported cases where someone tested positive, completely recovered, and then tested positive again. I think it's more likely an error in the testing, either by the lab tech or the kit itself. No testing is 100% reliable. Of course there may be a very rare case in which there really was a re-infection. The jury is out.
What's really going to be helpful are the IgG/IgM rapid tests that are coming out over the next few days. The test will be able to give us a good idea as to who has been infected and who is recovered and immune. In an infection like Covid19, the initial response is for the B-cells to switch to cells that produce IgM against the specific virus. IgM is the kind of antibody you see first, but it typically takes at least 10 days to detect. It is a very large molecule, and it only lasts 5-6 days and starts to disappear. IgG comes along about 10-15 days later and it can last from 3-6 weeks. If you have IgM against Covid19, that means your infection is very recent, and unless you have IgG detectable, you don't know if you are immune. If you don't have IgM but you do have IgG against Covid19, then you have been infected in the past and that suggests immunity. If we widely deploy these quick tests for IgM and IgG we can learn several things. 1.) If you have been infected 2.) If you are immune. 3.) If your infection was recent (like within the past couple weeks) 4.) It will also be easy and cheap and can give us a better idea of the real incidence of Covid19 infection....as well as the real mortality rate.
Thank you Scott, you can really answer questions the way I can understand.
Smart and needed info at a time like this for sure. Thanks Mr Scott.
This desease is not political. It doesn't care if the person is a republican or a realist. Only idiots of every party make it political.
That's correct. It is a bipartisan virus. It will kill a princess (one passed away today) and it will kill a homeless derelict with equal ferocity. It can kill Democrats, Republicans, communists, capitalists, men, women, blacks, whites, Chinese, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Gay, and straight. We've never seen anything quite like this. Nobody anticipated it, even though there's been talk about it for decades. The world was caught with its pants down. It will pass, and heaven help us if we don't learn from it.
Posted 2020-04-01 10:05 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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I'm bored so was looking at this thread from the beginning, and man things sure have changed, one was saying this disease was from eating bats" All the deaths in China are due to them eating bats and other animals that are not free from diseases and not preparing them property to eat" "CDC has to push some disease or the other every couple of years to keep their funding up" " The media is just blowing up this scare so the news networks can make more money" "Its all a hoax"
And now look at where we stand fighting this horrible disease, people are dying and New York City is in big trouble fighting to save lives as the rest of the states are. Prayers for us all to stay healthy
Posted 2020-04-01 10:09 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Bear - 2020-03-29 8:20 PM
jd&ez - 2020-03-29 7:10 PM
This desease is not political. It doesn't care if the person is a republican or a realist. Only idiots of every party make it political.
That's correct. It is a bipartisan virus. It will kill a princess (one passed away today) and it will kill a homeless derelict with equal ferocity. It can kill Democrats, Republicans, communists, capitalists, men, women, blacks, whites, Chinese, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Gay, and straight. We've never seen anything quite like this. Nobody anticipated it, even though there's been talk about it for decades. The world was caught with its pants down. It will pass, and heaven help us if we don't learn from it.
This is really starting to scare me even more, nobody is immune..
Posted 2020-04-01 11:00 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Posts: 10794 Location: Kansas
Southtxponygirl - 2020-04-01 10:09 AM
Bear - 2020-03-29 8:20 PM
jd&ez - 2020-03-29 7:10 PM
This desease is not political. It doesn't care if the person is a republican or a realist. Only idiots of every party make it political.
That's correct. It is a bipartisan virus. It will kill a princess (one passed away today) and it will kill a homeless derelict with equal ferocity. It can kill Democrats, Republicans, communists, capitalists, men, women, blacks, whites, Chinese, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Gay, and straight. We've never seen anything quite like this. Nobody anticipated it, even though there's been talk about it for decades. The world was caught with its pants down. It will pass, and heaven help us if we don't learn from it.
This is really starting to scare me even more, nobody is immune..
Posted 2020-04-01 11:42 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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I'm definitely scared. I wasnt in the beginning because I was thinking this would be over sooner than it started and everything would be fine... not any worse than the flu .... I dont think that way anymore. I'm legit scared. Paranoid even. I'm cleaning like a crazed woman. If I go out, I only do curbside... even at TSC. I'm avoiding the "hotspot" ... even to get the cheapest diesel right now. I'm taking a trip today to drop off a bottle of hand sanitizer to my sweet niece on the other side of town. Shes in healthcare, a radiologist tech and has been exposed to several covid patients over the last few days. They have sanitizer at the hospital where she works but she cannot find any for her personal use. My husband found her some masks at one of his stores he delivers to and he got her a box. They literally have no masks for the workers in these hospitals. She had to throw away the 2 she had after using them because the patients tested positive for covid. It's a sad sad situation how truly unprepared we are as a society. I pray everyday for this to end and for protection for everyone. Yes there are people recovering.. praise Jesus! But people are dying ... healthy people... a principle in Waco just recently passed away from it, he was at the school helping teachers pass out work packets for the students. He was in his 40s with no underlying health issues.. this virus is so completely unpredictable. Schools are closed till at least May. It saddens me to read some of the parents I know complaining about having their kids at home and how inconvenienced they are and how much they need to drink to cope... mommy needs wine stuff or one that really sticks out is the one saying shes completely lost it and would rather take chances than have to be homeschooling their kids right now. Its disgusting. I suppose it's not a shock for me to have my kids at home .. I've been homeschooling since before this and I'd have it no other way... virus outbreak or not. But it just makes me sad that these "parents" who are home anyway, "cant stand" this anymore, having the kids safe at home. I hope im.not sounding judgy but it just really ticked me off. And put things into perspective on how majority of society is ...
Starting April 2, Laredo Texas residents will have to cover their mouth and nose when entering a bulding that is not their home, this includes offices, public transits,outdoor gas stations and so on. There will be a fine up to 1,000 $ if not wearing any type of cover when out in public.
So horrible that its gotton to this point. For the ones that dont know where Laredo is its on the mexican border, its a huge city that sisters into Mexico.
Adam Schiff is already working on organizing a commission to investigate the virus response from the WH. If there is actually a lower than lower than a snake's belly, this guy is it.
I know this virus is bad, but I can't help but wonder, when will we get to go back to life?
I feel like we went from let's take this week by week to everything is shut down for another month.
My optimism is fading quick, I personally have no faith that we will be back to normal until closer to July.
My boss and I were just talking about how this effecting people mentally. How much longer until we start to see a spike in suicide? I'm sure there is already a spike in domestic and child abuse.
I know it's wearing on me, and I'm still able to go to work, go to the ranch to check cows, and ride. I can't imagine what it would be doing to me if I was stuck at home expect for getting groceries.
I'm mostly just thinking out loud but how long can this "shut down" really go on.
Again, I'm not saying this isn't a big deal and precautions don't need to be taken but it feels like there is no end in sight.
Adam Schiff is already working on organizing a commission to investigate the virus response from the WH. If there is actually a lower than lower than a snake's belly, this guy is it.
What a loser. I say let him do it. Every time they pull stunts like that, Trump's approval goes up. Meanwhile his party's candidate is locked up in a dungeon. He hasn't made a remotely helpful suggestion since this started...other than his being against the xenophobic travel bans. Uffda
I know this virus is bad, but I can't help but wonder, when will we get to go back to life?
I feel like we went from let's take this week by week to everything is shut down for another month.
My optimism is fading quick, I personally have no faith that we will be back to normal until closer to July.
My boss and I were just talking about how this effecting people mentally. How much longer until we start to see a spike in suicide? I'm sure there is already a spike in domestic and child abuse.
I know it's wearing on me, and I'm still able to go to work, go to the ranch to check cows, and ride. I can't imagine what it would be doing to me if I was stuck at home expect for getting groceries.
I'm mostly just thinking out loud but how long can this "shut down" really go on.
Again, I'm not saying this isn't a big deal and precautions don't need to be taken but it feels like there is no end in sight.
I've always liked living out in the country away from all the cities ... sometimes I'd complain a little about how long it takes to get to the store or go eat somewhere decent or the ups/FedEx not being able to find us ... but times like this, I'm not complaining one bit. I'm so thankful we are where we are. I too couldn't imagine living in town with neighbors so close you can hear them flush, I can safely send my kids outside and not worry about them breaking the social distancing rules. Theres no shortage of things to do that's for sure! Sure, we cant call grub hub or pizza hut for delivery but it's a small trade off to me.
Adam Schiff is already working on organizing a commission to investigate the virus response from the WH. If there is actually a lower than lower than a snake's belly, this guy is it.
What a loser. I say let him do it. Every time they pull stunts like that, Trump's approval goes up. Meanwhile his party's candidate is locked up in a dungeon. He hasn't made a remotely helpful suggestion since this started...other than his being against the xenophobic travel bans. Uffda
Funny, Pelosi has asked that Trump seek advice from the clueless Biden and where-is-he-hidin' Obama. I don't think either one of them want to crawl out of their fraidy holes. A little support from past presidents wouldn't be a bad thing. Devon Nunes is already after Schiff.
Adam Schiff is already working on organizing a commission to investigate the virus response from the WH. If there is actually a lower than lower than a snake's belly, this guy is it.
What a loser. I say let him do it. Every time they pull stunts like that, Trump's approval goes up. Meanwhile his party's candidate is locked up in a dungeon. He hasn't made a remotely helpful suggestion since this started...other than his being against the xenophobic travel bans. Uffda
Funny, Pelosi has asked that Trump seek advice from the clueless Biden and where-is-he-hidin' Obama. I don't think either one of them want to crawl out of their fraidy holes. A little support from past presidents wouldn't be a bad thing. Devon Nunes is already after Schiff.
Why cant Trump just beable to do his job without these people interfering? What would they have done in his shoes? What could they do better? Its just a shame, our country is in trouble and these people just keep slaming Trump instead of pulling together and getting this coronavirus stoped/beat, they should all be standing together since we are all in this together.
Posted 2020-04-02 8:47 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Posts: 10794 Location: Kansas
Southtxponygirl - 2020-04-01 6:42 PM
Frodo - 2020-04-01 3:46 PM
Bear - 2020-04-01 3:28 PM
Frodo - 2020-04-01 2:27 PM
Adam Schiff is already working on organizing a commission to investigate the virus response from the WH. If there is actually a lower than lower than a snake's belly, this guy is it.
What a loser. I say let him do it. Every time they pull stunts like that, Trump's approval goes up. Meanwhile his party's candidate is locked up in a dungeon. He hasn't made a remotely helpful suggestion since this started...other than his being against the xenophobic travel bans. Uffda
Funny, Pelosi has asked that Trump seek advice from the clueless Biden and where-is-he-hidin' Obama. I don't think either one of them want to crawl out of their fraidy holes. A little support from past presidents wouldn't be a bad thing. Devon Nunes is already after Schiff.
Why cant Trump just beable to do his job without these people interfering? What would they have done in his shoes? What could they do better? Its just a shame, our country is in trouble and these people just keep slaming Trump instead of pulling together and getting this coronavirus stoped/beat, they should all be standing together since we are all in this together.
I think it's today Trump is working on meeting with oil executives to try to smooth over the trade war between Russia and the Saudis which is doing great harm to our own oil and gas industry. Meanwhile Nancy is working on a plan to lower taxes on the California wealthy.
Right down there in the corner, Meep Meep and Palo, the little laugh button that you're so fond of. Go for it. It's kind of a kindergarten thing isn't it.
Posted 2020-04-02 9:58 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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I dont get this, the citys have been pretty much shut down, no events allowed for safty no large get togethers, But why are the Cruise Ships still allowed to operate, allow to sail with hundreds of people on board? Now they have 2 that are docking in Florida with hundreds of sick people that are testing positive for coronavirus and some have died, the Gov did allowed the ships to dock, now Florida has to deal with all this, just dont make sense as to why they are still allowing cruse ships to sail. And WHY would anybody want to be on a cruise ship with all this horrible happenings, people just dont have any common sense.
I dont get this, the citys have been pretty much shut down, no events allowed for safty no large get togethers, But why are the Cruise Ships still allowed to operate, allow to sail with hundreds of people on board? Now they have 2 that are docking in Florida with hundreds of sick people that are testing positive for coronavirus and some have died, the Gov did allowed the ships to dock, now Florida has to deal with all this, just dont make sense as to why they are still allowing cruse ships to sail. And WHY would anybody want to be on a cruise ship with all this horrible happenings, people just dont have any common sense.
I haven’t done any research on it, but when did those cruise ships leave? Hasn't it been about 2-3 weeks since Trump asked the cruise lines to shut down?
Have they been on the ships this whole time?
I just don't understand how there is anyone on a cruise ship anywhere right now.
It was announced that the first confirmed case has hit the town/county where I work.
Maybe if Bear, sees this he can give some answers:
I understand because of HIPAA they cannot give out the person who tested positives name, but why are they so vague about it. It just said his age and that he was a male. Nothing about where he had been, grocery stores, gas stations etc. . . or where he worked, although we live in a small community so his identity could be easily figured out.
I want to know if it is someone I would of came in contact with. .
I know it's stupid and vain, but I booked an appointment to get my brows microbladed 2 months ago, the appointment is Saturday. I really want to go, just for some sort of normalcy, but then the responsible adult part of me kicks in and says to reschedule. I feel bad because that is money I am taking out of a small business owners pocket, for now anyway.
It was announced that the first confirmed case has hit the town/county where I work.
Maybe if Bear, sees this he can give some answers:
I understand because of HIPAA they cannot give out the person who tested positives name, but why are they so vague about it. It just said his age and that he was a male. Nothing about where he had been, grocery stores, gas stations etc. . . or where he worked, although we live in a small community so his identity could be easily figured out.
I want to know if it is someone I would of came in contact with. .
I know it's stupid and vain, but I booked an appointment to get my brows microbladed 2 months ago, the appointment is Saturday. I really want to go, just for some sort of normalcy, but then the responsible adult part of me kicks in and says to reschedule. I feel bad because that is money I am taking out of a small business owners pocket, for now anyway.
I can't answer your question, but it's true that they cannot disclose his name. Ideally, public health officials can contact all contacts and inform them of their contact, so they can act accordingly. If you are wondering about testing, yes I can understand why it would be nice to know, but even a negative test might not really help all that much, because the test may convert to positive several days down the road. While it might sound harsh, the sensible thing to do, if you have come in contact with someone who is Covid19-positive, would be to self-quarantine. Testing would be indicated if you developed significant symptoms. Even then, the last place you want to be is in a hospital, unless you are real sick. They really can't do anything more for you than you can do for yourself at home at this point.
As to your eyebrows, trim them yourself....or do like me - let them grow wild for a while. That's what I do. I look like an owl.
that made me chuckle.
I went ahead and emailed the lady telling her I needed to reschedule. I offered to pay for my appointment in full and come at a later date, so it doesn't take money out of her pocket.
Posts: 3810 Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo.
JcNhEmI - 2020-04-02 12:30 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-04-02 8:58 AM
I dont get this, the citys have been pretty much shut down, no events allowed for safty no large get togethers, But why are the Cruise Ships still allowed to operate, allow to sail with hundreds of people on board? Now they have 2 that are docking in Florida with hundreds of sick people that are testing positive for coronavirus and some have died, the Gov did allowed the ships to dock, now Florida has to deal with all this, just dont make sense as to why they are still allowing cruse ships to sail. And WHY would anybody want to be on a cruise ship with all this horrible happenings, people just dont have any common sense.
I haven’t done any research on it, but when did those cruise ships leave? Hasn't it been about 2-3 weeks since Trump asked the cruise lines to shut down?
Have they been on the ships this whole time?
I just don't understand how there is anyone on a cruise ship anywhere right now.
Regarding those two cruise ships -- from what I've read, the folks boarded them in South America in early March for a 2 - 3 week cruise -- so they left on the cruise when things first started to perculate. Husband and I had booked an Alaska cruise for the first week of June, but we canceled it back in early February when we first heard about this virus -- and it being in Seattle. We decided we did not want to fly into Seattle -- and I think the fact I read Stephen King's incredible book The Stand years ago, made me extra cautious. We're living that book.....ugh.
I dont get this, the citys have been pretty much shut down, no events allowed for safty no large get togethers, But why are the Cruise Ships still allowed to operate, allow to sail with hundreds of people on board? Now they have 2 that are docking in Florida with hundreds of sick people that are testing positive for coronavirus and some have died, the Gov did allowed the ships to dock, now Florida has to deal with all this, just dont make sense as to why they are still allowing cruse ships to sail. And WHY would anybody want to be on a cruise ship with all this horrible happenings, people just dont have any common sense.
I haven’t done any research on it, but when did those cruise ships leave? Hasn't it been about 2-3 weeks since Trump asked the cruise lines to shut down?
Have they been on the ships this whole time?
I just don't understand how there is anyone on a cruise ship anywhere right now.
Regarding those two cruise ships -- from what I've read, the folks boarded them in South America in early March for a 2 - 3 week cruise -- so they left on the cruise when things first started to perculate. Husband and I had booked an Alaska cruise for the first week of June, but we canceled it back in early February when we first heard about this virus -- and it being in Seattle. We decided we did not want to fly into Seattle -- and I think the fact I read Stephen King's incredible book The Stand years ago, made me extra cautious. We're living that book.....ugh.
I went back and found some info.. Unable to find a port willing to accept it, the ship has been stuck in a holding pattern for nearley two weeks as it desperately gos from country to country. Had been rejected by Chile, Peru and Argentina.1,400 passengers on board these two ships I think. More then 300 Americans are aboard the ships including 49 Florida residents.
Posts: 3810 Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo.
Southtxponygirl - 2020-04-02 2:18 PM
Delta Cowgirl - 2020-04-02 1:50 PM
JcNhEmI - 2020-04-02 12:30 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-04-02 8:58 AM
I dont get this, the citys have been pretty much shut down, no events allowed for safty no large get togethers, But why are the Cruise Ships still allowed to operate, allow to sail with hundreds of people on board? Now they have 2 that are docking in Florida with hundreds of sick people that are testing positive for coronavirus and some have died, the Gov did allowed the ships to dock, now Florida has to deal with all this, just dont make sense as to why they are still allowing cruse ships to sail. And WHY would anybody want to be on a cruise ship with all this horrible happenings, people just dont have any common sense.
I haven’t done any research on it, but when did those cruise ships leave? Hasn't it been about 2-3 weeks since Trump asked the cruise lines to shut down?
Have they been on the ships this whole time?
I just don't understand how there is anyone on a cruise ship anywhere right now.
Regarding those two cruise ships -- from what I've read, the folks boarded them in South America in early March for a 2 - 3 week cruise -- so they left on the cruise when things first started to perculate. Husband and I had booked an Alaska cruise for the first week of June, but we canceled it back in early February when we first heard about this virus -- and it being in Seattle. We decided we did not want to fly into Seattle -- and I think the fact I read Stephen King's incredible book The Stand years ago, made me extra cautious. We're living that book.....ugh.
I went back and found some info.. Unable to find a port willing to accept it, the ship has been stuck in a holding pattern for nearley two weeks as it desperately gos from country to country. Had been rejected by Chile, Peru and Argentina.1,400 passengers on board these two ships I think. More then 300 Americans are aboard the ships including 49 Florida residents.
What a nightmare for all these poor people.
Agree! Imagine being stuck in a very tiny cabin for weeks.... two people have to have a strategy to move around in those little rooms. It had taken me years to convince my husband to take an Alaskan cruise -- and now, this mess. He said he will NEVER ever cruise now. Fortunately, we traveled world-wide a great deal with our careers and vacationing prior to retirement, so at least we did get to mark off most of our bucket list! LOL! We are thankful we decided to retire here on our farm -- built us a nice farm house, shop and barn and here we are -- riding it out. As others have mentioned -- cannot imagine being stuck inside in a large city or surburban area. I am a high-risk person due to severe chronie asthma and being 64 -- I've not set foot off the place in over three weeks. We are thankful for Home Chef deliveries, Sam's Club deliveries and Amazon! :)
Adam Schiff is already working on organizing a commission to investigate the virus response from the WH. If there is actually a lower than lower than a snake's belly, this guy is it.
What a loser. I say let him do it. Every time they pull stunts like that, Trump's approval goes up. Meanwhile his party's candidate is locked up in a dungeon. He hasn't made a remotely helpful suggestion since this started...other than his being against the xenophobic travel bans. Uffda
Do you,all have a problem with the 911 commission?
This pandemic has already caused human and economic devastation that dwarfs 911. If even the most optimistic modeling comes true 911 will barely be a blip on the radar.
It would be extremely negligent of any and all government officials to not try to figure out why the richest country in the world is having results befitting a third world country. If nothing is learned from this horrific situation future generations are doomed to repeat it.
I really don't care about Trumps Facebook following or TV ratings PEOPLE ARE DYING.
Posted 2020-04-03 12:06 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Posts: 25351 Location: Bastrop, Texas
SC Wrangler - 2020-04-02 10:47 PM
Bear - 2020-04-01 3:28 PM
Frodo - 2020-04-01 2:27 PM
Adam Schiff is already working on organizing a commission to investigate the virus response from the WH. If there is actually a lower than lower than a snake's belly, this guy is it.
What a loser. I say let him do it. Every time they pull stunts like that, Trump's approval goes up. Meanwhile his party's candidate is locked up in a dungeon. He hasn't made a remotely helpful suggestion since this started...other than his being against the xenophobic travel bans. Uffda
Do you,all have a problem with the 911 commission?
This pandemic has already caused human and economic devastation that dwarfs 911. If even the most optimistic modeling comes true 911 will barely be a blip on the radar.
It would be extremely negligent of any and all government officials to not try to figure out why the richest country in the world is having results befitting a third world country. If nothing is learned from this horrific situation future generations are doomed to repeat it.
I really don't care about Trumps Facebook following or TV ratings PEOPLE ARE DYING.
Absolutely, the entire pandemic needs to be looked at by an independent bipartisan commission. It should not be a series of endless congressional hearings that end up being a partisan food fight that end up being an exercise in futility. It should consist of an equal number of congressmen from both parties, as well as epidemiologists, physicians, scientists, etc... It should commence once the pandemic is over and the economic after effects are better established, epidemiological data is complete, as well as efficacy of therapeutics are better clarified. Key items to look at should include:
1.) The actual origin of the virus
2.) The extent to which China concealed the outbreak.
3.) The effect of unrestricted travel to Italy from Wuhan
4.) Chinese propaganda efforts.
5.) The response by the WHO and any inaccuracies or lies in their early statements
6.) The effect of travel bans from China, Europe, and the UK.
7.) The effect of mitigation and social distancing.
8.) The timing of the mitigation and social distancing.
9.) Our decades old woefully inadequate stockpiles of PPE, ventilators, and masks.
10.) The effect of public-private partnerships, and the response of companies in the private sector, particularly with regard to more efficient, more reliable testing.
11.) Our dependence on China for vital medical supplies and life saving medications.
12.) The responsibility of individual states re: readiness and disaster preparation.
13.) The reliability of various models in predicting the incidence of disease during pandemics and predicting outcomes.
14.) The overall performance of the President's Coronavirus Response Team
15.) Evaluations of the FDA, CDC, and DHS
16.) The role of military - hospital ships, building hospitals, and shipping of medical supplies.
17.) The economic devastation.
Congress should not be distracted from the immense tasks that lay ahead, apart from those chosen from each party as part of the commission. The 9-11 Commission was not put together until over a year after 9-11. I wouldn't expect this one to begin investigating until next year, for the reasons I mentioned.
Posted 2020-04-03 10:06 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas
Scott I have heard that taking Advil and Ibuprofen at this time is not a good ideal, that the coronavirus could be made worst if anyone happens to get it. But all the other over the counter pain meds is ok. I take Advil for my knee and other body aches so just wondering if this is true.
Posted 2020-04-03 11:12 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Posts: 25351 Location: Bastrop, Texas
Southtxponygirl - 2020-04-03 10:06 AM
Scott I have heard that taking Advil and Ibuprofen at this time is not a good ideal, that the coronavirus could be made worst if anyone happens to get it. But all the other over the counter pain meds is ok. I take Advil for my knee and other body aches so just wondering if this is true.
That's a disputed/unsettled matter. My recommendation would be to try switching to Tylenol if you can. Best to hedge on the safe side for now. I've read the accounts that say people on ibuprofen do poorly if they get sick from Covid19. I've read reports that say it hasn't been proven. I'd play it safe, if possible, until we know, one way or another.
Posted 2020-04-03 11:58 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas
Bear - 2020-04-03 11:12 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-04-03 10:06 AM
Scott I have heard that taking Advil and Ibuprofen at this time is not a good ideal, that the coronavirus could be made worst if anyone happens to get it. But all the other over the counter pain meds is ok. I take Advil for my knee and other body aches so just wondering if this is true.
That's a disputed/unsettled matter. My recommendation would be to try switching to Tylenol if you can. Best to hedge on the safe side for now. I've read the accounts that say people on ibuprofen do poorly if they get sick from Covid19. I've read reports that say it hasn't been proven. I'd play it safe, if possible, until we know, one way or another.
Thank you Scott for taking the time to answer the questions that we have been asking you, when you said that we can ask you questions I was like YES!!!!
I will be using Tylenol and Aleve untill this mess blows over..
Scott I have heard that taking Advil and Ibuprofen at this time is not a good ideal, that the coronavirus could be made worst if anyone happens to get it. But all the other over the counter pain meds is ok. I take Advil for my knee and other body aches so just wondering if this is true.
That's a disputed/unsettled matter. My recommendation would be to try switching to Tylenol if you can. Best to hedge on the safe side for now. I've read the accounts that say people on ibuprofen do poorly if they get sick from Covid19. I've read reports that say it hasn't been proven. I'd play it safe, if possible, until we know, one way or another.
Thank you Scott for taking the time to answer the questions that we have been asking you, when you said that we can ask you questions I was like YES!!!!
I will be using Tylenol and Aleve untill this mess blows over..
Aleve is Naproxen, an NSAID just like Ibuprofen ("Advil" or "Motrin"). I'd try to avoid NSAIDS if possible.
Scott I have heard that taking Advil and Ibuprofen at this time is not a good ideal, that the coronavirus could be made worst if anyone happens to get it. But all the other over the counter pain meds is ok. I take Advil for my knee and other body aches so just wondering if this is true.
That's a disputed/unsettled matter. My recommendation would be to try switching to Tylenol if you can. Best to hedge on the safe side for now. I've read the accounts that say people on ibuprofen do poorly if they get sick from Covid19. I've read reports that say it hasn't been proven. I'd play it safe, if possible, until we know, one way or another.
Thank you Scott for taking the time to answer the questions that we have been asking you, when you said that we can ask you questions I was like YES!!!!
I will be using Tylenol and Aleve untill this mess blows over..
Aleve is Naproxen, an NSAID just like Ibuprofen ("Advil" or "Motrin"). I'd try to avoid NSAIDS if possible.
Stick to Tylenol, if you can.
Oh shoot, thanks Scott, I'll just stick with Tylenol.
A guy I work with, his wife has been called to get tested. He's still been coming to work. I thought it was pretty known that if you or anyone around you was sick you should stay home??
Luckily I have almost no interaction with this guy.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but they don't just jump to the COVID-19 test, right. You have to go test negative for flu & strep first, right? So she could of been sick for at least a few days before they decide to do the test? Then it's a week or longer to get the results?
I'm sure we've all have, or will come in contact with COVID-19 before this is all over I just don't like the reality of it hitting so close to my small community.
A guy I work with, his wife has been called to get tested. He's still been coming to work. I thought it was pretty known that if you or anyone around you was sick you should stay home??
Luckily I have almost no interaction with this guy.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but they don't just jump to the COVID-19 test, right. You have to go test negative for flu & strep first, right? So she could of been sick for at least a few days before they decide to do the test? Then it's a week or longer to get the results?
I'm sure we've all have, or will come in contact with COVID-19 before this is all over I just don't like the reality of it hitting so close to my small community.
That's how it was for us in the beginning. Not sure if it is still as I've been working on our progressive care "island" training some staff to relieve us. I know our tests are coming back in about 48 hours now. We've had a nurse test positive and she was not running fevers, just had a cough, felt icky, and lost her sense of taste.
Posted 2020-04-05 10:45 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Go Get Em!
Posts: 13503 Location: OH. IO
he is at Hillcrest hospital,it is one of the best there is,wonderful doctors,we are lucky that a family member works there and was able to update quite often.I feel horrible for the people that have to leave their loved ones in a critical state,and have to sit at home with worry.Thanks for the prayers,they are appreciated
he is at Hillcrest hospital,it is one of the best there is,wonderful doctors,we are lucky that a family member works there and was able to update quite often.I feel horrible for the people that have to leave their loved ones in a critical state,and have to sit at home with worry.Thanks for the prayers,they are appreciated
So glad for the good update, Miss Mary. Keeping y'all in prayers
Posted 2020-04-06 10:57 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Living within my means
Posts: 5128 Location: Randolph, Utah
A race I usually go to that is in the middle of June announced last night they are rescheduling for October.
Are events in everyone's area getting cancelled or postponed? Are most waiting to see what happens or trying to be proactive?
Once travel is opened back up again do you all think people will be hesitant to go or the flights/cruises/resorts be flooded with people wanting to travel?
I hope I am wrong but I'm afraid it's going to be July before things get rolling again.
My co-worker's wife was tested Friday, it came back negative, thankfully.
We have 0 confirmed cases in the county where I live and 2 in the county where I work.
Posted 2020-04-06 11:41 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
Hog Tie My Mojo
Posts: 4847 Location: Opelousas, LA
A local arena cancelled all events through June 1st, of course our state is getting hammered by this virus. I am hoping they start easing up on all the closures in May but I'm just not too hopeful right now.
I wonder how Alaska and Canada are doing/dealing/fairing with this coronavirus, you never heard about them on the news at all.
Looks like AK has 191 cases and 6 deaths. Canada had 11747 cases and 152 deaths 3 days ago from what I read. And I know Canada is upset because 3M was told to get their masks to American people first rather than sell to Canada.
he is at Hillcrest hospital,it is one of the best there is,wonderful doctors,we are lucky that a family member works there and was able to update quite often.I feel horrible for the people that have to leave their loved ones in a critical state,and have to sit at home with worry.Thanks for the prayers,they are appreciated
I wonder how Alaska and Canada are doing/dealing/fairing with this coronavirus, you never heard about them on the news at all.
Looks like AK has 191 cases and 6 deaths. Canada had 11747 cases and 152 deaths 3 days ago from what I read. And I know Canada is upset because 3M was told to get their masks to American people first rather than sell to Canada.
Thank you, was just curious, I hav'nt watch to much news latley so may have missed out on these reports. Thats sucks about the masks and not fair I would think everybody should be counted equal when it comes to health supplys.
Going kinda sir crazy since they shut down our Nurserys here, I needed some more fruit trees to plant, but now I'll have to wait, and I dont like waiting, I want my treees NOW, darn it, LOL
he is at Hillcrest hospital,it is one of the best there is,wonderful doctors,we are lucky that a family member works there and was able to update quite often.I feel horrible for the people that have to leave their loved ones in a critical state,and have to sit at home with worry.Thanks for the prayers,they are appreciated
Checking in to see how he's feeling today
Was thinking the same thing, hope that hes doing better.
I wonder how Alaska and Canada are doing/dealing/fairing with this coronavirus, you never heard about them on the news at all.
Looks like AK has 191 cases and 6 deaths. Canada had 11747 cases and 152 deaths 3 days ago from what I read. And I know Canada is upset because 3M was told to get their masks to American people first rather than sell to Canada.
Thank you, was just curious, I hav'nt watch to much news latley so may have missed out on these reports. Thats sucks about the masks and not fair I would think everybody should be counted equal when it comes to health supplys.
Going kinda sir crazy since they shut down our Nurserys here, I needed some more fruit trees to plant, but now I'll have to wait, and I dont like waiting, I want my treees NOW, darn it, LOL
Hope you and the family are staying safe.
Right now working in yards and gardens is one of the main things people can use to stay sane--so I totally understand wanting those trees RIGHT DANG NOW!!!
We are all hanging in and keeping our Lula Bell in prayers for His protective hand over her and a protective barrier around her as she works her nursing shifts in LA. Prayers for you and yours Miss R. And all of our BHW family
he is at Hillcrest hospital,it is one of the best there is,wonderful doctors,we are lucky that a family member works there and was able to update quite often.I feel horrible for the people that have to leave their loved ones in a critical state,and have to sit at home with worry.Thanks for the prayers,they are appreciated
Checking in to see how he's feeling today
Was thinking the same thing, hope that hes doing better.
he is now recovering at home,thank you for thinking of him:)
Read an interesting article about how Sweden, Norway, Finland are NOT doing the stay at home lock down and their numbers are far less than hours. The only ones sheltering are the elderly and at risk population. They are letting the younger groups actually get it to build herd immunity. Interesting concept. Maybe Bear can explain it here.
Read an interesting article about how Sweden, Norway, Finland are NOT doing the stay at home lock down and their numbers are far less than hours. The only ones sheltering are the elderly and at risk population. They are letting the younger groups actually get it to build herd immunity. Interesting concept. Maybe Bear can explain it here.
That is strange, but maybe we are the strange ones to these other countrys, lol.
I do hope that Bear does see this and I would like to know his take on how these other countrys are dealing with this coronavirus.
he is at Hillcrest hospital,it is one of the best there is,wonderful doctors,we are lucky that a family member works there and was able to update quite often.I feel horrible for the people that have to leave their loved ones in a critical state,and have to sit at home with worry.Thanks for the prayers,they are appreciated
Checking in to see how he's feeling today
Was thinking the same thing, hope that hes doing better.
he is now recovering at home,thank you for thinking of him:)
So glad that hes doing good and home, poor fella what a nightmare for him and his family.
Well I can tell you how we are dealing with it in Alberta. We've completed 68,762 tests as of today. 1432 confirmed cases, 29 deaths. 18,497 cases across Canada, 404 deaths. Ontario and Quebec are getting hit the worse.
Not in a shelter in place but all non essential business are closed.
he is at Hillcrest hospital,it is one of the best there is,wonderful doctors,we are lucky that a family member works there and was able to update quite often.I feel horrible for the people that have to leave their loved ones in a critical state,and have to sit at home with worry.Thanks for the prayers,they are appreciated
Checking in to see how he's feeling today
Was thinking the same thing, hope that hes doing better.
he is now recovering at home,thank you for thinking of him:)
Read an interesting article about how Sweden, Norway, Finland are NOT doing the stay at home lock down and their numbers are far less than hours. The only ones sheltering are the elderly and at risk population. They are letting the younger groups actually get it to build herd immunity. Interesting concept. Maybe Bear can explain it here.
My dad has mentioned this a couple times. I'm interested to see what Bear has to say too!
Posted 2020-04-09 12:11 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Posts: 25351 Location: Bastrop, Texas
JcNhEmI - 2020-04-08 9:00 PM
FLITASTIC - 2020-04-08 2:09 PM
Read an interesting article about how Sweden, Norway, Finland are NOT doing the stay at home lock down and their numbers are far less than hours. The only ones sheltering are the elderly and at risk population. They are letting the younger groups actually get it to build herd immunity. Interesting concept. Maybe Bear can explain it here.
My dad has mentioned this a couple times. I'm interested to see what Bear has to say too!
It looks like Sweden's relatively lax policies are starting to catch up with them. Their death rate per capita is almost twice ours. The actual number of cases is a little less than ours, but then I'm sure we've done much more vigorous testing. The country is increasingly anxious, and the word is that they are going to have to shut things down. I've been keeping an eye on them, just to get an idea as to whether their approach winds up being better, overall, both in terms of the deaths, as well as the effects on their economy. I think they were struggling a bit with their economy before this hit. Considering they don't have any real large metro areas with densely populated areas, it's an "apples and oranges" comparison....and when you take that into account, clearly, Covid19 seems to have hit them disproportionately hard. They'll wind up slamming on the brakes similar to us, I'm predicting, but maybe not. We'll see. Norway had restrictions more similar to ours. Much more of a virtual shutdown. Their death rate is looking like it will be half ours, per capita. There again, they have no large, densely populated areas, so it's hard to compare the effects of Covid19 in Norway vs the US....kind of an "apples and oranges" thing. In Norway's case, they may take a bigger hit to their economy, because of the drastic drop in oil prices because of the Russia-Saudi Arabia oil war. By far, their economy mostly depends on oil, more than anything. I think they are in for some tough times up ahead.
It's interesting to see how these predictions by these "models" keep getting down graded. They claimed that without the travel bans and mitigation, they predicted up to 2.2 million deaths. Just a few days later they were predicting between 100,000 - 220,000 deaths. Since then, we've seen a downgrade to 80,000, and today they predict 60,000. There's talk of it being even a lot lower than that. Now we're taking influenza type numbers. Some might say with those numbers, we overreacted. I'm not so sure. I think we did it just about right. If we hadn't done what we did, we night be looking at several hundred thousand deaths, maybe more. Our healthcare delivery system definitely would have been completely overwhelmed, and who knows what would have followed. I think our government response has been pretty impressive, all things considered, and the response of the citizens really has been pretty darn amazing. More than anything, the biggest reason for those models being so far off the mark is because the people who created the models couldn't predict American's response.
I bumped this thread back up because I was thinking WOW, this has really changed up a bit from when I first posted it, how some were saying it was a hoax and not going to worry about it, the CDC were blowing this way out of proportion. And now the whole country has pretty much shut down over this, DANG, its a whole different outlook on this coronvirus now. Wish it had been a hoax, we sure would have been better off.
NJJ has a cousin that lost a BIL to the virus, I think it was week befor last that he pasted away from it. I think befor this is all over for this year we all will know of someone that has gotton really sick from it unfortunately.. I just wonder what next year will bring us "(
NJJ has a cousin that lost a BIL to the virus, I think it was week befor last that he pasted away from it. I think befor this is all over for this year we all will know of someone that has gotton really sick from it unfortunately.. I just wonder what next year will bring us "(
I think you are so right. One of my best friends lost his sister. She died alone in the hospital and was buried without a funeral. My nephew has recovered. The nursing home in my very small town has had 5 deaths and virtually residents are infected.
Any opinions on why this is turning up so frequently in nursing homes. I'm not surprised at the deaths given the frail condition of most residents but the invasion of it to begin with is perplexing. The small town of Clearwater, KS only a few miles from here was hit pretty hard last week (nursing home).
NJJ has a cousin that lost a BIL to the virus, I think it was week befor last that he pasted away from it. I think befor this is all over for this year we all will know of someone that has gotton really sick from it unfortunately.. I just wonder what next year will bring us "(
I think you are so right. One of my best friends lost his sister. She died alone in the hospital and was buried without a funeral. My nephew has recovered. The nursing home in my very small town has had 5 deaths and virtually residents are infected.
A nursing home thats also a rehabilitation center in San Antoino had 18 residents die within days of each other. And other nursing homes in the Austin area are getting hard hit too I just heard. I just dont see an end to this horrible virus.
NJJ has a cousin that lost a BIL to the virus, I think it was week befor last that he pasted away from it. I think befor this is all over for this year we all will know of someone that has gotton really sick from it unfortunately.. I just wonder what next year will bring us "(
I think you are so right. One of my best friends lost his sister. She died alone in the hospital and was buried without a funeral. My nephew has recovered. The nursing home in my very small town has had 5 deaths and virtually residents are infected.
A nursing home thats also a rehabilitation center in San Antoino had 18 residents die within days of each other. And other nursing homes in the Austin area are getting hard hit too I just heard. I just dont see an end to this horrible virus.
I have a feeling shutting down the border could make a difference. How many carriers walk across unchecked.
NJJ has a cousin that lost a BIL to the virus, I think it was week befor last that he pasted away from it. I think befor this is all over for this year we all will know of someone that has gotton really sick from it unfortunately.. I just wonder what next year will bring us "(
I think you are so right. One of my best friends lost his sister. She died alone in the hospital and was buried without a funeral. My nephew has recovered. The nursing home in my very small town has had 5 deaths and virtually residents are infected.
Yes, my cousin is a member of a very small country church (25-30 member) in Wilton Iowa. Very early on, the first death in that county was a lady member of that church (I think she was in her late 50s - early 60s). Then my cousin younger BIL (50s) and his wife contracted the virus but have VERY slowly recovered. The older BIL (76) was moved to a nursing home for rehabilitation after a surgery, contracted the virus and passed last week....so four members of the same small congregation.
NJJ has a cousin that lost a BIL to the virus, I think it was week befor last that he pasted away from it. I think befor this is all over for this year we all will know of someone that has gotton really sick from it unfortunately.. I just wonder what next year will bring us "(
I think you are so right. One of my best friends lost his sister. She died alone in the hospital and was buried without a funeral. My nephew has recovered. The nursing home in my very small town has had 5 deaths and virtually residents are infected.
I think that this is just so sad and horrible that someone that has the coronavirus and is that sick and then dies, they have to do this all alone with out any family member with them, this is just so wrong, this is what scares me the most about this virus is that this person is alone the whole time if placed in a hospital and then it gets really bad and they die alone, this is just not right.
NJJ has a cousin that lost a BIL to the virus, I think it was week befor last that he pasted away from it. I think befor this is all over for this year we all will know of someone that has gotton really sick from it unfortunately.. I just wonder what next year will bring us "(
I think you are so right. One of my best friends lost his sister. She died alone in the hospital and was buried without a funeral. My nephew has recovered. The nursing home in my very small town has had 5 deaths and virtually residents are infected.
I think that this is just so sad and horrible that someone that has the coronavirus and is that sick and then dies, they have to do this all alone with out any family member with them, this is just so wrong, this is what scares me the most about this virus is that this person is alone the whole time if placed in a hospital and then it gets really bad and they die alone, this is just not right.
Even people who have go to the hospital for other serious non-covid situations are alone. A jockey that is a good friend had a horse go down with him at the track. He required three serious surgeries as a result. One family member was allowed in surgery waiting and allowed to talk to doctor afterwards. But not allowed to see the individual. He spent entire hospital time alone. Same for another friend that has emergency surgery that resulted in kidney renoval.
Some interesting revelations today, which confirmed my suspicion (and hope) a couple months ago. Look at the effect of heat, humidity, and UV (sunlight) on this coronavirus. This is pretty exciting....warm, humid, sunny days kill this sucker fast.....bigly.
Some interesting revelations today, which confirmed my suspicion (and hope) a couple months ago. Look at the effect of heat, humidity, and UV (sunlight) on this coronavirus. This is pretty exciting....warm, humid, sunny days kill this sucker fast.....bigly.
I have been wondering about UV light since this thing started. Bear would it be safe use UV light to kill the virus say in bars restaurants shopping centers or any other enclosed building while pepolle are in them?
Some interesting revelations today, which confirmed my suspicion (and hope) a couple months ago. Look at the effect of heat, humidity, and UV (sunlight) on this coronavirus. This is pretty exciting....warm, humid, sunny days kill this sucker fast.....bigly.
I have been wondering about UV light since this thing started. Bear would it be safe use UV light to kill the virus say in bars restaurants shopping centers or any other enclosed building while pepolle are in them?
That's a good question. I was inclined to say, "it couldn't hurt", but in today's world, it's not hard to see lawsuits over skin cancer in people exposed to those indoor UV light a few years from now.
I would like to know how the rates of infection keep going up and up?!? 1300 NEW cases In Los Angeles last 24 hours!! We have been face covering and distancing here In CA ( everywhere for that matter) so how are people still getting it ?!? I can see the homeless population , maybe nursing homes but still. bear?!?
I would like to know how the rates of infection keep going up and up?!? 1300 NEW cases In Los Angeles last 24 hours!! We have been face covering and distancing here In CA ( everywhere for that matter) so how are people still getting it ?!? I can see the homeless population , maybe nursing homes but still. bear?!?
The application of antibody testing is finding a lot of people who were exposed to Covid19 who were also asymptomatic.
I would like to know how the rates of infection keep going up and up?!? 1300 NEW cases In Los Angeles last 24 hours!! We have been face covering and distancing here In CA ( everywhere for that matter) so how are people still getting it ?!? I can see the homeless population , maybe nursing homes but still. bear?!?
The application of antibody testing is finding a lot of people who were exposed to Covid19 who were also asymptomatic.
Yep , I heard that. Lol. But even if the a symptomatic people have been distancing and covering face, wouldn't that stop the spread? Thanks for alll your help on here!
It's supposed to hit 100° here next week. I hope it helps the curve flatten so our governor will open some businesses back up and people can get back to work.
It's supposed to hit 100° here next week. I hope it helps the curve flatten so our governor will open some businesses back up and people can get back to work.
Some interesting revelations today, which confirmed my suspicion (and hope) a couple months ago. Look at the effect of heat, humidity, and UV (sunlight) on this coronavirus. This is pretty exciting....warm, humid, sunny days kill this sucker fast.....bigly.
I have been wondering about UV light since this thing started. Bear would it be safe use UV light to kill the virus say in bars restaurants shopping centers or any other enclosed building while pepolle are in them?
How does this sound for restaurants and bars? Have UV lights directed toward the ceiling, not down, plus ceiling fans that slowly lift the air up, so as to expose the ambient air to UV light....kinda like a bug zapper...call it a virus zapper. If I were a young entrepreneur, I would get on this and sell this setup to restaurants and bars. I'd love to see someone jump on this ASAP. They could make a killing....go for it. I even have a name...a "ViZap". Kinda catchy, wouldn't you say?
NJJ has a cousin that lost a BIL to the virus, I think it was week befor last that he pasted away from it. I think befor this is all over for this year we all will know of someone that has gotton really sick from it unfortunately.. I just wonder what next year will bring us "(
I think you are so right. One of my best friends lost his sister. She died alone in the hospital and was buried without a funeral. My nephew has recovered. The nursing home in my very small town has had 5 deaths and virtually residents are infected.
I think that this is just so sad and horrible that someone that has the coronavirus and is that sick and then dies, they have to do this all alone with out any family member with them, this is just so wrong, this is what scares me the most about this virus is that this person is alone the whole time if placed in a hospital and then it gets really bad and they die alone, this is just not right.
We went to a funeral today, and there are people that absolutely are not concerned about touching and leaning in and shaking hands etc. They were sanitizing the pen at the sign in book after anyone touched it and had a huge jar of Germex sitting there also. My family was in a little group the appropriate distance away from everyone else. People kept coming up to Daddy and wanting to shake hands; my daddy can see very little and some folks grabbed his hand before he even knew they were close. I finally sent Sean to the truck for my sanitizer and we just kept slathering it on us and even some other folks. . . It broke my heart to have to be standoffish because this was a man that I grew up around and loved. God help us in this world we are living in. . .
When they called his daughter to tell her to get to the hospital ASAP the day he died, she had been fishing and came straight from the lake--because she registered a temp (I'm assuming from her skin being hot from the sun) she wasn't able to go in. . . .
Some interesting revelations today, which confirmed my suspicion (and hope) a couple months ago. Look at the effect of heat, humidity, and UV (sunlight) on this coronavirus. This is pretty exciting....warm, humid, sunny days kill this sucker fast.....bigly.
I have been wondering about UV light since this thing started. Bear would it be safe use UV light to kill the virus say in bars restaurants shopping centers or any other enclosed building while pepolle are in them?
How does this sound for restaurants and bars? Have UV lights directed toward the ceiling, not down, plus ceiling fans that slowly lift the air up, so as to expose the ambient air to UV light....kinda like a bug zapper...call it a virus zapper. If I were a young entrepreneur, I would get on this and sell this setup to restaurants and bars. I'd love to see someone jump on this ASAP. They could make a killing....go for it. I even have a name...a "ViZap". Kinda catchy, wouldn't you say?
This should be your invention and the name is catchy and when you become famous dont forget us people on here, we will be you're biggest Cheerleaders of all time, ha ha ha ha ha
Some interesting revelations today, which confirmed my suspicion (and hope) a couple months ago. Look at the effect of heat, humidity, and UV (sunlight) on this coronavirus. This is pretty exciting....warm, humid, sunny days kill this sucker fast.....bigly.
I have been wondering if the high humidity, very warm temperatures and lots of sunshine was a factor in our county. We have 90 cases, only a very small amount were admitted to the hospital and only a handful went to ICU and no deaths, although one is listed as Covid related. The person was recovered from Covid but weeks later died of a heart attack, so they labeled it Covid. We are a coastal county in South Texas and really have fared quite well.
NJJ has a cousin that lost a BIL to the virus, I think it was week befor last that he pasted away from it. I think befor this is all over for this year we all will know of someone that has gotton really sick from it unfortunately.. I just wonder what next year will bring us "(
I think you are so right. One of my best friends lost his sister. She died alone in the hospital and was buried without a funeral. My nephew has recovered. The nursing home in my very small town has had 5 deaths and virtually residents are infected.
I think that this is just so sad and horrible that someone that has the coronavirus and is that sick and then dies, they have to do this all alone with out any family member with them, this is just so wrong, this is what scares me the most about this virus is that this person is alone the whole time if placed in a hospital and then it gets really bad and they die alone, this is just not right.
We went to a funeral today, and there are people that absolutely are not concerned about touching and leaning in and shaking hands etc. They were sanitizing the pen at the sign in book after anyone touched it and had a huge jar of Germex sitting there also. My family was in a little group the appropriate distance away from everyone else. People kept coming up to Daddy and wanting to shake hands; my daddy can see very little and some folks grabbed his hand before he even knew they were close. I finally sent Sean to the truck for my sanitizer and we just kept slathering it on us and even some other folks. . . It broke my heart to have to be standoffish because this was a man that I grew up around and loved. God help us in this world we are living in. . .
When they called his daughter to tell her to get to the hospital ASAP the day he died, she had been fishing and came straight from the lake--because she registered a temp (I'm assuming from her skin being hot from the sun) she wasn't able to go in. . . .
My DIW's grandmother passed away a few days ago and the funeral was today down in the Rio Grande Valley, we didnt go but of course my son and his wife and kids were there, so I'm really curious how it went, I'll be asking him when he gets back. She didnt died of the coronavirus just from being sick for the last year of her life. My son and his family been down there for the past week since they knew that the grandmother didnt have much longer, so I dont know if they got to see her while she was in the hospital or not, sure hope so thou.
NJJ has a cousin that lost a BIL to the virus, I think it was week befor last that he pasted away from it. I think befor this is all over for this year we all will know of someone that has gotton really sick from it unfortunately.. I just wonder what next year will bring us "(
I think you are so right. One of my best friends lost his sister. She died alone in the hospital and was buried without a funeral. My nephew has recovered. The nursing home in my very small town has had 5 deaths and virtually residents are infected.
I think that this is just so sad and horrible that someone that has the coronavirus and is that sick and then dies, they have to do this all alone with out any family member with them, this is just so wrong, this is what scares me the most about this virus is that this person is alone the whole time if placed in a hospital and then it gets really bad and they die alone, this is just not right.
We went to a funeral today, and there are people that absolutely are not concerned about touching and leaning in and shaking hands etc. They were sanitizing the pen at the sign in book after anyone touched it and had a huge jar of Germex sitting there also. My family was in a little group the appropriate distance away from everyone else. People kept coming up to Daddy and wanting to shake hands; my daddy can see very little and some folks grabbed his hand before he even knew they were close. I finally sent Sean to the truck for my sanitizer and we just kept slathering it on us and even some other folks. . . It broke my heart to have to be standoffish because this was a man that I grew up around and loved. God help us in this world we are living in. . .
When they called his daughter to tell her to get to the hospital ASAP the day he died, she had been fishing and came straight from the lake--because she registered a temp (I'm assuming from her skin being hot from the sun) she wasn't able to go in. . . .
My DIW's grandmother passed away a few days ago and the funeral was today down in the Rio Grande Valley, we didnt go but of course my son and his wife and kids were there, so I'm really curious how it went, I'll be asking him when he gets back. She didnt died of the coronavirus just from being sick for the last year of her life. My son and his family been down there for the past week since they knew that the grandmother didnt have much longer, so I dont know if they got to see her while she was in the hospital or not, sure hope so thou.
Momma's cousin died a couple of weeks ago in FL from cancer. Her children could look at her from outside her hospital window, but they did let her husband stay with her. It's heartbreaking to see the pictures of her children and grandchildren pressed against the window saying goodbye.
Posted 2020-04-24 5:41 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Some interesting revelations today, which confirmed my suspicion (and hope) a couple months ago. Look at the effect of heat, humidity, and UV (sunlight) on this coronavirus. This is pretty exciting....warm, humid, sunny days kill this sucker fast.....bigly.
I have been wondering about UV light since this thing started. Bear would it be safe use UV light to kill the virus say in bars restaurants shopping centers or any other enclosed building while pepolle are in them?
How does this sound for restaurants and bars? Have UV lights directed toward the ceiling, not down, plus ceiling fans that slowly lift the air up, so as to expose the ambient air to UV light....kinda like a bug zapper...call it a virus zapper. If I were a young entrepreneur, I would get on this and sell this setup to restaurants and bars. I'd love to see someone jump on this ASAP. They could make a killing....go for it. I even have a name...a "ViZap". Kinda catchy, wouldn't you say?
I think it would go a long way to ease fears and open up this country.
Posted 2020-04-24 9:42 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Southtxponygirl - 2020-04-23 2:34 PM
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NJJ has a cousin that lost a BIL to the virus, I think it was week befor last that he pasted away from it. I think befor this is all over for this year we all will know of someone that has gotton really sick from it unfortunately.. I just wonder what next year will bring us "(
I think you are so right. One of my best friends lost his sister. She died alone in the hospital and was buried without a funeral. My nephew has recovered. The nursing home in my very small town has had 5 deaths and virtually residents are infected.
I think that this is just so sad and horrible that someone that has the coronavirus and is that sick and then dies, they have to do this all alone with out any family member with them, this is just so wrong, this is what scares me the most about this virus is that this person is alone the whole time if placed in a hospital and then it gets really bad and they die alone, this is just not right.
We're doing our very best to not leave our patients alone. We also got a bunch of iPads to be able to FaceTime family. It's not the same, but we are not just dumping people in rooms and leaving them!
Posted 2020-04-24 10:23 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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brlracerchick - 2020-04-24 9:42 AM
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NJJ has a cousin that lost a BIL to the virus, I think it was week befor last that he pasted away from it. I think befor this is all over for this year we all will know of someone that has gotton really sick from it unfortunately.. I just wonder what next year will bring us "(
I think you are so right. One of my best friends lost his sister. She died alone in the hospital and was buried without a funeral. My nephew has recovered. The nursing home in my very small town has had 5 deaths and virtually residents are infected.
I think that this is just so sad and horrible that someone that has the coronavirus and is that sick and then dies, they have to do this all alone with out any family member with them, this is just so wrong, this is what scares me the most about this virus is that this person is alone the whole time if placed in a hospital and then it gets really bad and they die alone, this is just not right.
We're doing our very best to not leave our patients alone. We also got a bunch of iPads to be able to FaceTime family. It's not the same, but we are not just dumping people in rooms and leaving them!
Did'nt say anything about dumping these people in rooms and leaving them alone I'm saying ITS sad that no family gets to be with them in their time of need. I want my family in the flesh not a Ipad.
You are doing your job and thats great and we need the nurses and Doctors and we Thank all of you, but its not the same as having family with you in the time that someone one is sick and may be dying, Heck I still want my momma when I feel really bad and want her to hold my hand and tell me that everything will be OK. You really missed my point..
Posted 2020-04-24 11:45 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Posts: 13503 Location: OH. IO
my sister is in ER right now ALONE,with a possible blood clot in the lungs,she has MAJOR PANIC ATTACKs,without her husband,she is scared to death.He is not allowed in with her.
LOS ANGELES — Confirmed coronavirus cases only tell a portion of the story in any area, but a new study out of Los Angeles County has come to a startling conclusion. Based on the first round of antibody testing, 4.1% of the county’s entire adult population has already come into contact with the virus and developed an antibody.
After adjusting for statistical margin of error, that means anywhere from 221,000 to 442,000 local adults in Los Angeles have been infected by the coronavirus. That number is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed COVID-19 cases in LA at the time the study was conducted earlier this month.
This research, performed by the University of Southern California, has a number of implications. Besides just documenting how widespread the coronavirus has become, it also suggests a lower fatality rate. As of today there have been just over 600 COVID-19 related deaths in Los Angeles county.
“Though the results indicate a lower risk of death among those with infection than was previously thought, the number of COVID-related deaths each day continues to mount, highlighting the need for continued vigorous prevention and control efforts,” explains Paul Simon, chief science officer at the L.A. County Department of Public Health and co-lead on the study, in a release.
“We haven’t known the true extent of COVID-19 infections in our community because we have only tested people with symptoms, and the availability of tests has been limited,” adds lead investigator Neeraj Sood, professor of public policy at the USC Price School for Public Policy and senior fellow at the USC Schaeffer Center for Health Policy and Economics. “The estimates also suggest that we might have to recalibrate disease prediction models and rethink public health strategies.”
They are testing people who don't have symptoms and didn't know they had Covid19. So this proves the infection rate vs the death rate has been inflated. Add to that they are probably calling everything covid19 even when it's not, you have another inflated number of deaths.
It's supposed to hit 100° here next week. I hope it helps the curve flatten so our governor will open some businesses back up and people can get back to work.
my sister is in ER right now ALONE,with a possible blood clot in the lungs,she has MAJOR PANIC ATTACKs,without her husband,she is scared to death.He is not allowed in with her.
Thats horrible, she needs her husband with her, why in the heck would they not let him be with her? I'm so sorry Mary..Prayers for you're sister
my sister is in ER right now ALONE,with a possible blood clot in the lungs,she has MAJOR PANIC ATTACKs,without her husband,she is scared to death.He is not allowed in with her.
Thats horrible, she needs her husband with her, why in the heck would they not let him be with her? I'm so sorry Mary..Prayers for you're sister
no people allowed,only one person extra in labor and delivery.We are not even allowed funerals around here,one funeral home says they will keep your loved one in storage if you choose to wait till this is over.One did a drive thru calling hours the other day,put the lady in the front entrance and you just drove by her:(My sister is ok,her D dimer levels are elevated,but no clot. THANKS;)
LOS ANGELES — Confirmed coronavirus cases only tell a portion of the story in any area, but a new study out of Los Angeles County has come to a startling conclusion. Based on the first round of antibody testing, 4.1% of the county’s entire adult population has already come into contact with the virus and developed an antibody.
After adjusting for statistical margin of error, that means anywhere from 221,000 to 442,000 local adults in Los Angeles have been infected by the coronavirus. That number is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed COVID-19 cases in LA at the time the study was conducted earlier this month.
This research, performed by the University of Southern California, has a number of implications. Besides just documenting how widespread the coronavirus has become, it also suggests a lower fatality rate. As of today there have been just over 600 COVID-19 related deaths in Los Angeles county.
“Though the results indicate a lower risk of death among those with infection than was previously thought, the number of COVID-related deaths each day continues to mount, highlighting the need for continued vigorous prevention and control efforts,” explains Paul Simon, chief science officer at the L.A. County Department of Public Health and co-lead on the study, in a release.
“We haven’t known the true extent of COVID-19 infections in our community because we have only tested people with symptoms, and the availability of tests has been limited,” adds lead investigator Neeraj Sood, professor of public policy at the USC Price School for Public Policy and senior fellow at the USC Schaeffer Center for Health Policy and Economics. “The estimates also suggest that we might have to recalibrate disease prediction models and rethink public health strategies.”
They are testing people who don't have symptoms and didn't know they had Covid19. So this proves the infection rate vs the death rate has been inflated. Add to that they are probably calling everything covid19 even when it's not, you have another inflated number of deaths.
Laura Ingraham brought that to light the other evening on her show. Not changing my mind.....I think this has everything to do with sanctuary cities and the infected migrants that have crossed into the U.S. and spread this disease at a huge cost to American citizens. 333 Chinese were stopped several weeks ago. How many do you think sneaked across before them.
NJJ has a cousin that lost a BIL to the virus, I think it was week befor last that he pasted away from it. I think befor this is all over for this year we all will know of someone that has gotton really sick from it unfortunately.. I just wonder what next year will bring us "(
I think you are so right. One of my best friends lost his sister. She died alone in the hospital and was buried without a funeral. My nephew has recovered. The nursing home in my very small town has had 5 deaths and virtually residents are infected.
I think that this is just so sad and horrible that someone that has the coronavirus and is that sick and then dies, they have to do this all alone with out any family member with them, this is just so wrong, this is what scares me the most about this virus is that this person is alone the whole time if placed in a hospital and then it gets really bad and they die alone, this is just not right.
We're doing our very best to not leave our patients alone. We also got a bunch of iPads to be able to FaceTime family. It's not the same, but we are not just dumping people in rooms and leaving them!
Did'nt say anything about dumping these people in rooms and leaving them alone I'm saying ITS sad that no family gets to be with them in their time of need. I want my family in the flesh not a Ipad.
You are doing your job and thats great and we need the nurses and Doctors and we Thank all of you, but its not the same as having family with you in the time that someone one is sick and may be dying, Heck I still want my momma when I feel really bad and want her to hold my hand and tell me that everything will be OK. You really missed my point..
Sorry if that came off wrong, I just came off 2 night shifts. I just felt you implied that these patients are completely alone, which they are not. I've witnessed some amazing things from my coworkers (not that they're not already amazing) in these times when patients can't have their family members present. One of my coworkers sat in a positive patient's room for over an hour at the end of her shift in all her garb just because she wanted to "hang out" with him because he couldn't see his family. Another nurse stayed late just to call the spouse of a patient to give updates and chat before she left.We've had nurses/aids rotate between sitting in a dying patient's room so that they weren't alone. I've fought and been able to get a few family members present for my own patients. We do these things anyway, without the no visitor policy but now it is an every day occurrence. The iPads are definitely not the same but we are making do the best we can. We are definitely not a family member to these patients but we care for them like they are our own because we know how hard it is.
NJJ has a cousin that lost a BIL to the virus, I think it was week befor last that he pasted away from it. I think befor this is all over for this year we all will know of someone that has gotton really sick from it unfortunately.. I just wonder what next year will bring us "(
I think you are so right. One of my best friends lost his sister. She died alone in the hospital and was buried without a funeral. My nephew has recovered. The nursing home in my very small town has had 5 deaths and virtually residents are infected.
I think that this is just so sad and horrible that someone that has the coronavirus and is that sick and then dies, they have to do this all alone with out any family member with them, this is just so wrong, this is what scares me the most about this virus is that this person is alone the whole time if placed in a hospital and then it gets really bad and they die alone, this is just not right.
We're doing our very best to not leave our patients alone. We also got a bunch of iPads to be able to FaceTime family. It's not the same, but we are not just dumping people in rooms and leaving them!
Did'nt say anything about dumping these people in rooms and leaving them alone I'm saying ITS sad that no family gets to be with them in their time of need. I want my family in the flesh not a Ipad.
You are doing your job and thats great and we need the nurses and Doctors and we Thank all of you, but its not the same as having family with you in the time that someone one is sick and may be dying, Heck I still want my momma when I feel really bad and want her to hold my hand and tell me that everything will be OK. You really missed my point..
Sorry if that came off wrong, I just came off 2 night shifts. I just felt you implied that these patients are completely alone, which they are not. I've witnessed some amazing things from my coworkers (not that they're not already amazing) in these times when patients can't have their family members present. One of my coworkers sat in a positive patient's room for over an hour at the end of her shift in all her garb just because she wanted to "hang out" with him because he couldn't see his family. Another nurse stayed late just to call the spouse of a patient to give updates and chat before she left.We've had nurses/aids rotate between sitting in a dying patient's room so that they weren't alone. I've fought and been able to get a few family members present for my own patients. We do these things anyway, without the no visitor policy but now it is an every day occurrence. The iPads are definitely not the same but we are making do the best we can. We are definitely not a family member to these patients but we care for them like they are our own because we know how hard it is.
We certainly appreciate what our medical professionals do, especially right now. Lula Bell is a nurse and I worry incessantly about her. . . God bless you all for being there. . . I absolutely agree about how heartbreaking it is for families not being able to be there for their sick or dying loved ones. My daddy had an unexpected outpatient procedure this morning, and Momma was able to get him signed in but then was sent to the car. It was scary but all is fine. We are blessed and we realize that with all that is happening in this world right now. Prayers for all
I saw a wonderful nurse interviewed the other day. She was at the hospital in full gear crying and assuring folks, for what it was worth to them, that their family members would not die alone if she could help it. She would be there for them. It was very touching.
my sister is in ER right now ALONE,with a possible blood clot in the lungs,she has MAJOR PANIC ATTACKs,without her husband,she is scared to death.He is not allowed in with her.
Thats horrible, she needs her husband with her, why in the heck would they not let him be with her? I'm so sorry Mary..Prayers for you're sister
no people allowed,only one person extra in labor and delivery.We are not even allowed funerals around here,one funeral home says they will keep your loved one in storage if you choose to wait till this is over.One did a drive thru calling hours the other day,put the lady in the front entrance and you just drove by her:(My sister is ok,her D dimer levels are elevated,but no clot. THANKS;)
my sister is in ER right now ALONE,with a possible blood clot in the lungs,she has MAJOR PANIC ATTACKs,without her husband,she is scared to death.He is not allowed in with her.
Thats horrible, she needs her husband with her, why in the heck would they not let him be with her? I'm so sorry Mary..Prayers for you're sister
no people allowed,only one person extra in labor and delivery.We are not even allowed funerals around here,one funeral home says they will keep your loved one in storage if you choose to wait till this is over.One did a drive thru calling hours the other day,put the lady in the front entrance and you just drove by her:(My sister is ok,her D dimer levels are elevated,but no clot. THANKS;)
Miss Mary, how is your sister today?
she is in HORRIBLE PAIN.nothing helps,she has vicodin, it doesnt touch the pain,and she cannot get comfortable,and cant sleep:((Funny thing tho..they gave her morphine at the hospital,she said she was gonna enjoy lifeflight, thought for sure they were gonna fly her out,so...the morphine controlled her panic attacks lol
LOS ANGELES — Confirmed coronavirus cases only tell a portion of the story in any area, but a new study out of Los Angeles County has come to a startling conclusion. Based on the first round of antibody testing, 4.1% of the county’s entire adult population has already come into contact with the virus and developed an antibody.
After adjusting for statistical margin of error, that means anywhere from 221,000 to 442,000 local adults in Los Angeles have been infected by the coronavirus. That number is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed COVID-19 cases in LA at the time the study was conducted earlier this month.
This research, performed by the University of Southern California, has a number of implications. Besides just documenting how widespread the coronavirus has become, it also suggests a lower fatality rate. As of today there have been just over 600 COVID-19 related deaths in Los Angeles county.
“Though the results indicate a lower risk of death among those with infection than was previously thought, the number of COVID-related deaths each day continues to mount, highlighting the need for continued vigorous prevention and control efforts,” explains Paul Simon, chief science officer at the L.A. County Department of Public Health and co-lead on the study, in a release.
“We haven’t known the true extent of COVID-19 infections in our community because we have only tested people with symptoms, and the availability of tests has been limited,” adds lead investigator Neeraj Sood, professor of public policy at the USC Price School for Public Policy and senior fellow at the USC Schaeffer Center for Health Policy and Economics. “The estimates also suggest that we might have to recalibrate disease prediction models and rethink public health strategies.”
They are testing people who don't have symptoms and didn't know they had Covid19. So this proves the infection rate vs the death rate has been inflated. Add to that they are probably calling everything covid19 even when it's not, you have another inflated number of deaths.
my sister is in ER right now ALONE,with a possible blood clot in the lungs,she has MAJOR PANIC ATTACKs,without her husband,she is scared to death.He is not allowed in with her.
Thats horrible, she needs her husband with her, why in the heck would they not let him be with her? I'm so sorry Mary..Prayers for you're sister
no people allowed,only one person extra in labor and delivery.We are not even allowed funerals around here,one funeral home says they will keep your loved one in storage if you choose to wait till this is over.One did a drive thru calling hours the other day,put the lady in the front entrance and you just drove by her:(My sister is ok,her D dimer levels are elevated,but no clot. THANKS;)
Miss Mary, how is your sister today?
she is in HORRIBLE PAIN.nothing helps,she has vicodin, it doesnt touch the pain,and she cannot get comfortable,and cant sleep:((Funny thing tho..they gave her morphine at the hospital,she said she was gonna enjoy lifeflight, thought for sure they were gonna fly her out,so...the morphine controlled her panic attacks lol
my sister is in ER right now ALONE,with a possible blood clot in the lungs,she has MAJOR PANIC ATTACKs,without her husband,she is scared to death.He is not allowed in with her.
Thats horrible, she needs her husband with her, why in the heck would they not let him be with her? I'm so sorry Mary..Prayers for you're sister
no people allowed,only one person extra in labor and delivery.We are not even allowed funerals around here,one funeral home says they will keep your loved one in storage if you choose to wait till this is over.One did a drive thru calling hours the other day,put the lady in the front entrance and you just drove by her:(My sister is ok,her D dimer levels are elevated,but no clot. THANKS;)
Miss Mary, how is your sister today?
she is in HORRIBLE PAIN.nothing helps,she has vicodin, it doesnt touch the pain,and she cannot get comfortable,and cant sleep:((Funny thing tho..they gave her morphine at the hospital,she said she was gonna enjoy lifeflight, thought for sure they were gonna fly her out,so...the morphine controlled her panic attacks lol
Posted 2020-04-27 11:51 AM Subject: RE: Coronavirus
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Question: How many different modalities have we used on our performance horses that aren't "available" in mainstream medicine? Answer: Many that aren't commonly known to the layperson. Just ask someone who treats the highest level equine athletes about all the cutting edge treatments.
Many years ago I bought a bioscan machine for use on my performance horses. It was LED light. Handheld on the injured area and had different settings based on what type of injury it was. Guess who used it the most? Me! It really worked well!
When I read what President Trump said about ultraviolet light and disinfecting I didn't even skip a beat. I don't know what I don't know. I'm sure he's privey to a LOT of information I'm not. Just because some ignorant reporter (they know nothing about anything) doesn't know these things are possible, doesn't mean they aren't. The press and the idiots that drive them are the problem. Not President Trump.
"I ran an obscure pharmaceutical company until a few days ago. Then we got famous. Early in the Covid-19 pandemic, Aytu BioScience made a commitment to find ways to help. One of those ways came through our newly formed relationship with a prominent Los Angeles hospital."
The COVID-19 IgG/IgM Rapid Test is a solid phase immunochromatographic assay used in the rapid, qualitative and differential detection of IgG and IgM antibodies to the 2019 novel coronavirus in human whole blood, serum or plasma. The company’s licensed COVID-19 IgG/IgM Rapid Test is authorized for distribution throughout the U.S. based upon the FDA’s Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) policy. The COVID-19 IgG/IgM Rapid Test is intended for professional use only and delivers clinical results between 2 and 10 minutes at the point-of-care by analyzing samples from individuals having signs and symptoms of SARS-CoV-2 infection. This test has been validated in a 126 patient clinical trial and is CE marked.
So glad you bumped this back up to prove that it hadn't been discussed since April 2020.
Thank you so much. Same pretty much goes for the other ones you bumped.
I guess this topic has been just beat to death in the last 7 months and nothing has changed at all.
Jake16 I am so sorry for your loss. Don't worry I will stay off your thread.
Bullsh!t. You didn't even look. Everyone besides you knows this has been discussed regularly throughout the pandemic. Either you have a horrible memory, or you are pickled or you are just trying to get away with another lie. We've discussed and updated on Covid all along. Everyone knows this....except you, evidently.
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I'll have to go read on it a bit more, just curious.. 
oh and NJJ, i know you were just pointing out a fact;) yes,NJJ AND I DO GET ALONG,AND WE SHARE AND TALK ABOUT OUR DIFFERENCES,AND AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ARE STILL FRIENDS;)
? I didnt listen I was out feeding and cleaning water troughs so missed it.. 
But since my thread was tainted by jd&ez politics went kinda haywire, lol.. 
This man died yesterday, hes from New Braunfels but died in a Austin hospital, he was a healthy 44 year old man NO underlying issues, he tested postive Wednesday and died the next day.. 
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