Shopping for next years breedings and noticed GBL is up to $6,500 for a stud fee.  I was curious what everyones thoughts were on that.  I am NOT questioning how nice he is, hence was wanting to breed my mare to him.  I could breed my mare directly to ASOF for $5,000 or to Epic Leader for $4,500 so just wondering if it's worth the "extra".

He’s been there all year LOL He went from 3 or 3500 to 6500 and that don’t include shipping either....

My opinion... He puts a great mind on his foals.  They are athletic and capable and probably even elite.  He has a jug head and is not going to wow people with his good looks.  He's 19 years old and sat hidden in the back pasture for 15 years.  He has reletivly common bloodlines, with lots of alternatives for nearly the same thing.  I think he is over priced for me, but his book is full for the last couple years, so that implies his stud fee is too low.  If you want one, I'd get on it fast.  He may not be around very much longer due to age but keep in mind foal value generally goes down once a stud dies. Out of sight, our of mind.  

I'm dying to cross my mare on him because he seems to offer a lot of what she needs balanced out. The baby would be for keeps, so for me $6,500 wouldn't be a problem because I'm going to spend more than that if I wanted a colt out of someone else's mare. They're selling for decent prices as 2 & 3 year olds, I've seen many listed for $20K or more, not even on the pattern yet and they're sold fairly quickly, even out of no name mares. So there's been a decent market. He's been a "sleeper" for a long time & I think thats a lo of the allure too. People want to get them while they can type of thing & they seem to do well at futurities. I can usually tell when one is running on the webcast without having to look at the draw. They have their own style. I'd say if you like him specifically more than others and are ok with the price, do it. But if you like other studs just as well for your mare and they're significantly less then maybe go with the others. I'm not breeding mine for possibly 2 yars or so but I'm hoping he's stilla round. The Epics are going to keep having a strong demand I think too. I think too many people overlooked him when he first came on the scene. My mare is closely FWF bred so he's not really on my short list but I've been dying for one of his colts since he started running years ago. I think really just pick the one thats going to match the best with your mare because theres a strong market for all 3 you mentioned. ASOF are very much either love them or hate them type horses with that signature turning style they have, all the ones in my area make the riders look like ragdolls flailing around.  I think TGL is going to be more user friendly all around & so are the Epics I think 

I bred to someone else last year (was able to get a discounted breeding on a big name) so I hadn't looked at him since 2019. I had already decided to take this year off form breeding because of work, so when I started looking for a breeding to buy this fall I was a little surprised at the price lol.

Valid points. What do you think of the resale of his foals? I breed to keep, but like to breed with resell in mind. 

Thats interesting to see the sale price of his babies!  My oldest mare happens to be my best mare and if she would ever throw me a filly Id love to have it as her replacement. That's why I'm only wanting big names for her.   I can afford his stud fee but not sure how I feel about spending it.  

From an inside note from a well known breeding facility, he ships awful and they always have trouble settling a mare. If I was going to breed this year, I'd be looking at JL Dash Ta Heaven at $3500, Epic Leader at $4500 or even Blazin Jetolena. 

so you're going to overlook one supposedly bad shipper for another supposedly bad shipper? 

seems strange but aight 

A friend had her mare settle right away to TGL. Never heard anything poor about the semen quality.

One of the stallions mentioned above is notorious for bad semen though so. . . 

I dropped my mare off at the vet on a Thursday and picked her up that Sunday.  She said semen quality was just fine.  Have a beautiful bay filly standing in my lot as a result.  

Epic has terrible semen as well.  Jl Dash Ta Heaven is priced good at $3500, except what happens if he sells in a couple weeks??

Here in Utah you can find a goodbye lane in the 2-5 year old range for $6500 several times a year.  Not everyday, but often.

Oh that's a little disappointing. Hmm, not sure if it's worth the risk.

 Goodbye Lane has a uniquely shaped head.  He throws all kinds but mostly nice heads.   Like my friend Dena Kirkpatrick said who is winning on a GBL " we are not in halter glass" And GBL is out a DTFmare so a course head is going to come out here and there.   Dena told me at least 5 years ago when she went to see him to breed my mares to him.    The prices of GBL horses have increased dramatically - it has been awhile since I have seen one for 6,500 ..... years in fact. 

Epic Leader has been under new management - one of my best friends had no problem getting a foal from him and breed back succesfully. 

Horses are not pieces of equipment.  Each situation is different.  Be mindful that there may be someone reading this who believes everthing the read on the internet.  Do you own homework before deciding what legit and what is not.   My source of this was Dena herself since she introduced me to GBL many years ago. 

Thank you Gail.. I myself think The GoodBye Lane is one HANDSOME fella and would LOVE to have a son/daughter out of him, I really think hes a looker and does turn heads

I agree about doing your own homework. I was hesitant to post about this because I didn't want it to seem like I was bashing him in anyway. But then I thought to myself, this board has a wide spectrum of people and several who have been able to experience them and be around them. So, as wanting to educate myself as much as possible, I thought it best I reach out for different opinions.

There are all sorts of posts talking about temperament different stallions throw, this isn't much different. Just essentially wondering if I should spring for the price and curious on everyone's input.

Me too! That's why I originally wanted to breed to him.

He's got a FINE butt. Just saying. . . . 

How many GBL have won over $100k excluding Pink Buckle winnings?  What are the names, and how much have they won?

I like him, but I don't $6500 stud fee like him. I'd rather go straight to DTF. 

You're right, I guess I just named them because they are 20 miles from me so I don't have to ship, the cooled collection is a little better if I just took the mare to brazos. 

High Cotton Lane would be one of his winningest. Dena's has won plenty more outside of Pink Buckle $$$. Vauna Walker's, Kelsey Hayden's "BuhBye"...  You can find their stats easily. Actually I'll make it easier for you - there is a flyer right on their homepage that shows some of the accomplishments, there are plenty underneath the Pink Buckle titles. https://www.thegoodbyelane.com/


I am not sure why many want to discredit slot race or high paying race credentials. There is a lot of pressure put on horses for those kind of events, and that's the kind of horse I want to be mounted on. . . . one that can withstand pressure. 

I pulled the equistat on the OP's three choices.  If anyone would like to see them send me a PM.

I absolutely LOVE my Goodbye Lane colt from this year.  He is perfect. His conformation, even at his tiny age, is spot on. His head, BEAUTIFUL. And if it wasn't, I wouldn't care because a long head will break the timer faster anyway LOL. He has an excellent personality, gosh I love him so much! He's the only foal we have had where I have had offers to buy him in utero and as soon as he hit the ground. I can't bring myself to part with him. I will attach pics in a minute! He is out of a Reckless Dash X Leavem Lucille mare. 

I dont think you could ever go wrong breeding to The Goodbye Lane, I have never heard anything bad about his off spring its always good and how much they love them. I really think hes got a cool shaped head and it fits his body nicely, I have found the ones with a uniguely shaped head always had the best personality with a little goofy way to them. 

Good luck with who ever you go with,

Making comments about a stallions alleged shipping and fertility on a public forum is inappropriate in my opinion. There are so many factors that go into a mare conceiving or not conceiving. Also, I've had good success with breeding multiple mares to him, on one shipment each. So, if someone had a bad experience it could have been a temporary blip. I just feel like any "inside information" is best to just go straight to the source and ask them. Being in the breeding business myself, comments like these are unfair and can even be hurtful. Not trying to start a fight or anything. I just know how it feels to be on the receiving end. 

Now thats a stunning baby, and you are right PERFECT!!!! How old in these pictures? 

We flushed our FG mare and got an embryo by Epic Leader with no issues. We had to breed twice but it was not his fault- she hemorrhaged her first follicle. Although I had heard bad stories in the past, i decided to try him for myself. The management he is under now has done wonders for him IMO, and the whole experience was a good one. 

8 days give or take. He was up here so we could breed his dam on foal heat. He is such a good boy!! Wish we had more foals this year so he wasn't an only child. But 2021 we have 3 confirmed on the way!

Poor semen doesn't equate to a poor experience.  It only takes 1 sperm cell.  

You know what I mean. I still stand by what I said earlier. If someone has a concern about any stallions performance, give the stallion owners the courtesy of a real conversation. 

I remember a fg/dtf stud a few years back.  The stud was super well bred, one of the first of that cross.  The owners took a stallion repro class and considered themselves very good at managing shipped semen.  Several people I know bred to him.  The semen always showed up at in the 20-30% motility, with debris in the shipment.  The stallion owner was not going to let anybody trash them or their stallion and filed some libel suits.  The problem was that it was the truth.  Same with any stallion.  No mare owner should be surprised and stuck in a contract because they didn't ask and nobody said anything.  Especially on high dollar stallions.  If I know something, I dont have a problem sharing it.  Hearsay on the other hand is inapropriate as you pointed out earlier.  

How awesome is that, You sure did make a good choice

I do agree with you... not everyone is honest. Been there done that. Some will just lie to your face and take your money. 

He's so handsome! Congratulations!!

My goodness Momma looks in running shape already in those pics---and I predict good things from this handsome young fella!!  Congratulations

Yes, please :)

I had to deal with a semen issue last year. First shipment - same day shipment on a normal collection day - came in with -0- live sperm. My mare was at one of the countries top repro facilities and Dr. Dipert is one top repro vet (yay Kevin!). Dr. Dipert was so frustrated with the shipment that he gave an hour of his time looking for at least one live swimmer and found none. He handled the issue with the station where the stallion was. Now I have bred through that station facility with at least one other stallion and had a great experience and outcome. They are also a good breeding facility in TX. So my vet talked to those vets and from the info provided from those vets it seems the stallion in question was having issues. We barely got my mare in foal last year and still awaiting the birth. The stallion owner was contacted to see if she was aware of the issues and she was not receptive to the information at all. I know aging stallions can have issues and their collection and shipments have to be handled differently.  But when the owner is resistant to that information and need then that is what irritates me. It's not like word won't spread - we barrel peeps do tend to share experiences! 

I LOVE him... was fully set on breeding to him this year but the $3000 stud fee jump was a little too much for me to swallow. Shoulda jumped on him last year, but didnt think they'd raise the fee as high as they did and wanted to give my mare a year off. Went with Slick By Design this year instead...