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  Location: California | The movie is excellent! On the Basis of Sex is the name of the movie. |
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     Location: OH. IO | I love her story of her sons school calling her all the time because he was being bad,She told the school,he has 2 parents,call the other one,the calls suddenly stopped,they apparently didnt feel the need to bother the men back then       
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  Location: Sunny Florida | It is said a person who passes away on the Jewish High Holidays can be looked at as a "Tzaddik'' - a righteous and saintly person. Ruth Bader Ginsburg died on the first night of Rosh Hashanah. RIP to a Tzaddik. |
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  Location: California | bayonetquarterhorses - 2020-09-19 7:04 PM
It is said a person who passes away on the Jewish High Holidays can be looked at as a "Tzaddik'' - a righteous and saintly person. Ruth Bader Ginsburg died on the first night of Rosh Hashanah. RIP to a Tzaddik.
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        Location: Kansas | vjls - 2020-09-18 7:51 PM
yes but i must say there should be mandory retirement 65 all even president
is there not a movie on her
87 is too long for sure. Remember during the Obama speech when he openly rudely insulted the Supreme Court judges sitting right in front of him. Didn't bother her, I believe she was asleep. |
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        Location: Displaced Iowegian | She was one woman who will live forever with her legacy of fighting for the rights of EVERYONE and KNEW the Constitution inside and out. Many young women looked up to her as a role model as she fought her way through the ranks of "men" ..... She was one sharp cookie until the end ..... RIP
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | I didn't agree with her decisions or much of her philosophy, but I respected her. She worked right up to the very end. RIP |
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     Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Frodo - 2020-09-19 3:42 PM
Very liberal......very progressive, and felt the Constitution was "adjustable." It's not.
bingo it's humorous that all this "conservative" minded individuals are Team RBG because of her plumbing. |
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     Location: Do I hear Banjos? | In 2007 the Supreme Court upheld a ban on Partial Birth Abortion. RBG wrote a dissent. She was not in favor of the ban. She certainly wasn't protecting the rights of the babies that were being killed in this Partial Birth procedure....some of whom were no doubt female. So while I can respect her zealous duty to the position she held until the very end...there are aspects of her tenure that I hope will be different with her successor. |
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     Location: Oklahoma | TrailGirl - 2020-09-21 10:48 AM
In 2007 the Supreme Court upheld a ban on Partial Birth Abortion. RBG wrote a dissent. She was not in favor of the ban. She certainly wasn't protecting the rights of the babies that were being killed in this Partial Birth procedure....some of whom were no doubt female.
So while I can respect her zealous duty to the position she held until the very end...there are aspects of her tenure that I hope will be different with her successor.
dumb question I know but what in the world does Partial Abortion mean? |
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        Location: Kansas | Turnburnsis - 2020-09-21 11:02 AM TrailGirl - 2020-09-21 10:48 AM In 2007 the Supreme Court upheld a ban on Partial Birth Abortion. RBG wrote a dissent. She was not in favor of the ban. She certainly wasn't protecting the rights of the babies that were being killed in this Partial Birth procedure....some of whom were no doubt female. So while I can respect her zealous duty to the position she held until the very end...there are aspects of her tenure that I hope will be different with her successor. dumb question I know but what in the world does Partial Abortion mean? I'd like to hear from Bear on this. I looked it up and it was hard for me to understand but sounded like they extract the fetus and destroy it before it clears the birth canal. If you'll remember Ginsburg also made many disparaging remarks about Donald Trump, then like Hillary and her deplorables remarks had to backpeddle and apologize. As a Supreme Court justice you're not "supposed" to be biased.
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TrailGirl - 2020-09-21 10:48 AM
In 2007 the Supreme Court upheld a ban on Partial Birth Abortion. RBG wrote a dissent. She was not in favor of the ban. She certainly wasn't protecting the rights of the babies that were being killed in this Partial Birth procedure....some of whom were no doubt female.
So while I can respect her zealous duty to the position she held until the very end...there are aspects of her tenure that I hope will be different with her successor.
dumb question I know but what in the world does Partial Abortion mean?
(1) the term “partial-birth abortion” means an abortion in which the person performing the abortion— (A) deliberately and intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until, in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother, for the purpose of performing an overt act that the person knows will kill the partially delivered living fetus; and (B) performs the overt act, other than completion of delivery, that kills the partially delivered living fetus; |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Frodo - 2020-09-21 11:49 AM
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TrailGirl - 2020-09-21 10:48 AM
In 2007 the Supreme Court upheld a ban on Partial Birth Abortion. RBG wrote a dissent. She was not in favor of the ban. She certainly wasn't protecting the rights of the babies that were being killed in this Partial Birth procedure....some of whom were no doubt female.
So while I can respect her zealous duty to the position she held until the very end...there are aspects of her tenure that I hope will be different with her successor.
dumb question I know but what in the world does Partial Abortion mean?
I'd like to hear from Bear on this. I looked it up and it was hard for me to understand but sounded like they extract the fetus and destroy it before it clears the birth canal.
If you'll remember Ginsburg also made many disparaging remarks about Donald Trump, then like Hillary and her deplorables remarks had to backpeddle and apologize. As a Supreme Court justice you're not "supposed" to be biased.
A partial birth abortion is a grisly procedure. There are a variety of techniques and tools used to accomplish this. There are special, strong scissors used to sever the limbs of the baby, so the remainder of the body can be removed. There are special devices designed to drill a hole in the baby's skull so that a suction device can be inserted to suck out the brain, before removing the baby piecemeal. Other abortionists don't bother with those devices, choosing instead to ram a scissors through the base of the skull at the back of the neck and spread forcefully, rendering the baby brain dead before removing the baby, usually piecemeal. Sometimes at an earlier stage, such as second trimester, the cervix is dilated and the abortionist grabs the baby's feet and pulls them partially out the birth canal until it gets stuck when the larger head remains lodged. He then uses a specialized forceps designed to crush the skull which enables the abortionist to remove the entire baby. Modern medicine has made advancement in the field of infanticide. Sometimes hypertonic saline is injected into the amniotic fluid, causing the baby to swallow it, which can lead directly to death by brain hemorrhage. The skin develops a severe chemical burn and often sloughs off during delivery of the dead baby. Another technique uses prostaglandin that is injected into the amniotic fluid which then causes violent uterine contractions that crush the baby. I'm not up to date on the latest techniques used in infanticide. I don't know what's in vogue. Generally, because of the size of the baby, late term abortions (typically over 20 weeks) usually involve removing the baby in pieces. They do usually pith the baby, or crush its skull, or suck the baby's brains out before removing it in pieces. After all, we aren't barbarians. |
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     Location: Oklahoma | Wow! I've never watched videos of abortions, but I have watched movies of people wanting abortions and what not but never seen the graphics! I guess I thought it all humane! No wonder teenage or anyone that goes thru abortion is greatly tramatized and dont want to talk bout it! Ive never been totally against abortion bc of rape, and incest. but I guess I thought it would be before anything developed! with all our technology why is there not a more humane way? why and how is this ok??? especially in the 2nd or 3rd trimester? Ive never had a desire for kids but if I was pregnant by choice or accident bc of my choices I wouldnt entertain the thought of abortion even if it wasnt like it is. I would do the best I could. I cant wrap my head around that anyone would be ok with these methods! wanted baby or not! when there is adoption and other people that want babies that cant have. Ive really been sheltered!!!! My heart just breaks!!!! |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Turnburnsis - 2020-09-21 3:56 PM
Wow! I've never watched videos of abortions, but I have watched movies of people wanting abortions and what not but never seen the graphics! I guess I thought it all humane! No wonder teenage or anyone that goes thru abortion is greatly tramatized and dont want to talk bout it!
Ive never been totally against abortion bc of rape, and incest. but I guess I thought it would be before anything developed!
with all our technology why is there not a more humane way? why and how is this ok??? especially in the 2nd or 3rd trimester?
Ive never had a desire for kids but if I was pregnant by choice or accident bc of my choices I wouldnt entertain the thought of abortion even if it wasnt like it is. I would do the best I could. I cant wrap my head around that anyone would be ok with these methods! wanted baby or not! when there is adoption and other people that want babies that cant have.
Ive really been sheltered!!!! My heart just breaks!!!!
The pro abortion/ pro life battle has been going on ever since Rowe v Wade in 1973. Politicians use it as a tool every election. In my opinion, this war cannot be won by either side. As someone opposed to abortions, with an occasional exception, I think the only way to win this war is through winning hearts and minds. Part of that involves pointing out facts and the truth, as well as knowing a few numbers. Describing exactly what's involved in the procedures at all stages of pregnancy is important. The truth isn't very appealing to a lot of people, but it needs to be told nonetheless. That's especially true when talking about late term abortion. It's barbaric and grisly. Just a few years ago, a physician-abortionist, Kermit Gosnell was found guilty of multiple murders when it was determined he killed babies that survived abortion efforts. In other words, he was literally labeled a "serial killer" for practically doing what Governor Northam actually advocated....basically post-term infanticide through willful neglect. 44 Democrats in the Senate voted against a law that mandated attempts to resuscitate a survivor of an abortion. Northam took it a step further in suggesting that parents, in consultation, could decide the fate of an infant after it was born alive. Think about that. On the one hand Gosnell is a convicted serial killer. On the other hand politicians want a similar act of infanticide to be legalized. This kind of thing needs to be discussed amongst citizens, openly and honestly. Leaving it up to politicians only guarantees the controversy's eternal longevity. I think we are slowly winning the war on abortion as facts, the truth, and open discussions/debates continue. Abortions are actually on the decline. A couple years ago there were some 800,000+ abortions. Over the last 30 years, the abortion rate has declined by about 50%. Also, it's important to point out that there are between 1-2 million couples in the US currently waiting to adopt. Imagine a world without the likes of Steve Jobs, Faith Hill, Nelson Mandela, Scott Hamilton, Jamie Foxx, Edgar Allen Poe, Maya Angelou, Nancy Reagan, Gerald Ford, Dave Thomas, and John Hancock. They were all adopted. This kind of thing is all too often missing in the conversation. |
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     Location: Oklahoma | I understand that when this first came about in the stone age how it would be so brutal but now??? with all the modern medicine there not a more humane way? Im not agreeing with abortion but if its going to happen why methods so bad??? I dont get how abortion not murder but when someone is old and suffering and has no cure of being better and they want to make the choice its a no go. I cannot even imagine surviving abortion! I would not want to!!!! So they dont give the baby anything before they abort? so the baby wont feel anything? or cant make the baby pass in the belly and then take it out? Cant do a c-section and give it a shot? why so horrifc? I really thought they was doing abortions in the humane way we put our animals down in more humane way than abortion! even a gunshot more humane than doing what they are to these babies! Like I said I dont agree with abortion but if it going to happen... I had heard the late term they was cutting them out in pieces and still I dont understand why not a c-section? If you dont want your baby no matter how it was conceived how can you agree to have them cut baby out no matter whwich trimester you are in??? I cant even imagine the teenage kids dragged or made by their parents to get an abortion against their will! No wonder there is alot of people messed up in this world! I know that this is just a small part of evil!!! |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Turnburnsis - 2020-09-22 6:06 AM
I understand that when this first came about in the stone age how it would be so brutal but now??? with all the modern medicine there not a more humane way? Im not agreeing with abortion but if its going to happen why methods so bad???
I dont get how abortion not murder but when someone is old and suffering and has no cure of being better and they want to make the choice its a no go.
I cannot even imagine surviving abortion! I would not want to!!!!
So they dont give the baby anything before they abort? so the baby wont feel anything? or cant make the baby pass in the belly and then take it out? Cant do a c-section and give it a shot? why so horrifc?
I really thought they was doing abortions in the humane way
we put our animals down in more humane way than abortion! even a gunshot more humane than doing what they are to these babies!
Like I said I dont agree with abortion but if it going to happen... I had heard the late term they was cutting them out in pieces and still I dont understand why not a c-section? If you dont want your baby no matter how it was conceived how can you agree to have them cut baby out no matter whwich trimester you are in???
I cant even imagine the teenage kids dragged or made by their parents to get an abortion against their will! No wonder there is alot of people messed up in this world!
I know that this is just a small part of evil!!!
Instead of posting grisly photos depicting abortion I'll post this one instead. This is a baby at 21 weeks gestation undergoing in-utero surgery. The baby is grasping the surgeon's finger. Here, instead of removing the baby by destroying it's brain and cutting off its limbs, they are correcting a birth defect. The baby was born healthy at term. |
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     Location: Oklahoma | Oh Wow!!! if this doesnt move ya!!! So a question that probably cant be answered why are they doing abortion in such a violent way? |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Turnburnsis - 2020-09-22 1:49 PM
Oh Wow!!! if this doesnt move ya!!!
So a question that probably cant be answered why are they doing abortion in such a violent way?
Well, to be honest, the most graphic descriptions I have described involved late term abortions. Here's a depiction of a baby at 12 weeks....toward the end of the first trimester. These are much easier to dispose of and the procedure is much simpler and the idea of these babies being removed is more tolerable to more people. These babies are simply scraped out and suctioned out. They can dispose of them in a number of ways, except they cannot be dropped in dumpsters. Abortion facilities have stored aborted babies in freezers and closets, dumped them into garbage disposals, flushed them down toilets, and burned them in bonfires. They are worth more money if they can be allowed to ripen more, so the organs and tissues can be sold. There's big money to be made, were it not for those dam right wing obstacles to "progress", you see. Late term brings bigger bucks. I'm talking about what pro-abortion supporters refer to as "clumps of cells". You decide. 
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