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JcNhEmI
Reg. Apr 2009
Posted 2020-11-09 10:20 AM
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Our wonderful - notice the sarcasm- Utah Governor issued a statewide mask mandate last night. 

Gatherings limited to household only, no youth or high school sports (but I believe a football championship still gets to be played), and weekly testing at college campuses. Who is paying for all this testing??? It's just a matter of time before schools are shut down again. 

He used the emergency alert system so all our phones were going off around 8:30, so that was nice for parents who had kids in bed. . .

I like how he waited to see what the election was going to do before announcing his mandate. A month or so ago he said a mask mandate didn't need to happen statewide. 

When is enough, enough. . . Are we ever going to be over this covid bull****? I understand it is never going to fully go away but is locking us all up really going to help?

Unfortunately, out President elect is on board with the mandates and locking us down. Hopefully president Trump can prevail, and we won't have 4 years of shut downs!

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Barnmom
Reg. May 2006
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Pfizer just announced a vaccine that is 90% effective, stock market is doing well as a result.  Now Cuomo wants to talk other governors in to not accepting its release until after Jan 20th.  Of course the media won't question his motives at all.

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SC Wrangler
Reg. Jul 2004
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You don't think that a week of over 100,000 cases a day and hospital at or nearing capacity indicates a need for some attempt at mitigation?

Sticking heads in the sand and pretending all is well does not make it so.   

 

 

 

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Reg. Jun 2012
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They canceled a surgery for my dad today in SLC at Univeristy of Utah. He has waited years for it and it was canceled 2 hours before surgery because they do not have a bed for him to recover. Masks certainly help and everyone should WANT to wear one but it shouyld NOT be mandated, The government is trying to create a society dependent on them for handouts. Sucks. I am a teracher here in CA and our schools never opened up, and probably won't this whoie school year. 

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Reg. Jul 2004
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Joe Dementia's use of the word "mandate" is typical of Democrats.  Control and muzzle the population.  Did you know that Joe added Zeke Emanual to his list of medical advisors on Covid.  Zeke said in 2014 that no one needed to live past 75.  We were useless at that age.  Joe is soon to be 78.......whoops?????

 



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babbsywabbsy
Reg. Feb 2016
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His brother Rahm did such a great job in Chicago too! Super clean city with a great education system along with very low tax and crime rate. LOL 

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Barnmom
Reg. May 2006
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SC Wrangler - 2020-11-09 10:35 AM


You don't think that a week of over 100,000 cases a day and hospital at or nearing capacity indicates a need for some attempt at mitigation?


Sticking heads in the sand and pretending all is well does not make it so.   


 


 


 


Exactly! So why no outrage at blue state governors wanting to delay the vaccine release for 2 months.

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babbsywabbsy
Reg. Feb 2016
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Barnmom - 2020-11-09 12:09 PM


SC Wrangler - 2020-11-09 10:35 AM


You don't think that a week of over 100,000 cases a day and hospital at or nearing capacity indicates a need for some attempt at mitigation?


Sticking heads in the sand and pretending all is well does not make it so.   


 


 


 



Exactly! So why no outrage at blue state governors wanting to delay the vaccine release for 2 months.


All of this is out of control.

We are the United States of America, but it sure doesnt seem like it. 

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Lucylouwon
Reg. Jun 2004
Posted 2020-11-09 12:50 PM
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I've personally HAD COVID, I don't subscribe to the Co-Vidiocy that is currently circling this country.

I don't believe that Mask Mandates help at all.  The reasoning, using some common sense is: how in all seriousness is a cloth mask ACTUALLY going to stop a teeeennnnnyyy Tiny virus?  Well it won't,  and pushing off your "health responisibilites" on me is a special kind of psychosis,  I can't loose wieght for you either.  Now if everyone was wearing an N-95 Mask.... then that's a different story.   I believe that cloth masks only help people who are afraid feel like they are "doing something" to make a difference.  I personally end up having a panic attack when wearing a mask, and I know when and where I ended up with the virus and the Mask DID NOT impact it, nor did the Lockdowns. 

But..... Since this virus is in the environment.  HOW is placing a Muzzle on everyyone and locking everyone up - TAKING THE VIRUS OUT OF THE ENVIRONMENT?   I'm unammused at lockdowns,  The secondary casualties because of lockdowns far out number the actual victims of covid.   The seasonal Cold and the Flu have mysteriously disappeared, which I find rather telling.  I think Fear begets more Fear, and If you believe that it's some terrible death sentence then you will experience what you believe.  If you are immuno compromised, then you already would be taking precautions not to get the sesonal cold or flu therefore your precaution for covid should look the same.  If you are not immuno compromised and have a strong immune system, then don't subscribe to the fear because fear will lower your ability to fight any virus not just covid.  I realize that with some apparently health people have "died" from Covid, but when it is your time to go it won't matter if it's covid, the flu or some random lightning bolt 

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JcNhEmI
Reg. Apr 2009
Posted 2020-11-09 1:18 PM
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Lucylouwon - 2020-11-09 11:50 AM


I've personally HAD COVID, I don't subscribe to the Co-Vidiocy that is currently circling this country.


I don't believe that Mask Mandates help at all.  The reasoning, using some common sense is: how in all seriousness is a cloth mask ACTUALLY going to stop a teeeennnnnyyy Tiny virus?  Well it won't,  and pushing off your "health responisibilites" on me is a special kind of psychosis,  I can't loose wieght for you either.  Now if everyone was wearing an N-95 Mask.... then that's a different story.   I believe that cloth masks only help people who are afraid feel like they are "doing something" to make a difference.  I personally end up having a panic attack when wearing a mask, and I know when and where I ended up with the virus and the Mask DID NOT impact it, nor did the Lockdowns. 


But..... Since this virus is in the environment.  HOW is placing a Muzzle on everyyone and locking everyone up - TAKING THE VIRUS OUT OF THE ENVIRONMENT?   I'm unammused at lockdowns,  The secondary casualties because of lockdowns far out number the actual victims of covid.   The seasonal Cold and the Flu have mysteriously disappeared, which I find rather telling.  I think Fear begets more Fear, and If you believe that it's some terrible death sentence then you will experience what you believe.  If you are immuno compromised, then you already would be taking precautions not to get the sesonal cold or flu therefore your precaution for covid should look the same.  If you are not immuno compromised and have a strong immune system, then don't subscribe to the fear because fear will lower your ability to fight any virus not just covid.  I realize that with some apparently health people have "died" from Covid, but when it is your time to go it won't matter if it's covid, the flu or some random lightning bolt 


My sister has COVID right now, she's also an RN and doesn't agree with the mask mandate. 

She's had a little bit of a cold last week, but her friend had the same symptoms and was negative. 

She got tested Friday and got the positive result Saturday morning. That afternoon she started with a fever and lost her taste. She's also had the poops. . . . but she said she doesn't feel like she's going to die.

She was told she was under quarantine by the Wyoming health department, then later told they didn't have the juristiction to quarantine her Utah would have to do it, but she could go back to work this Friday if she's symptom free. (we live in Utah but work in Wyoming, where she was tested

 

 

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Frodo
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2020-11-09 2:01 PM
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JcNhEmI - 2020-11-09 1:18 PM

Lucylouwon - 2020-11-09 11:50 AM

I've personally HAD COVID, I don't subscribe to the Co-Vidiocy that is currently circling this country.

I don't believe that Mask Mandates help at all.  The reasoning, using some common sense is: how in all seriousness is a cloth mask ACTUALLY going to stop a teeeennnnnyyy Tiny virus?  Well it won't,  and pushing off your "health responisibilites" on me is a special kind of psychosis,  I can't loose wieght for you either.  Now if everyone was wearing an N-95 Mask.... then that's a different story.   I believe that cloth masks only help people who are afraid feel like they are "doing something" to make a difference.  I personally end up having a panic attack when wearing a mask, and I know when and where I ended up with the virus and the Mask DID NOT impact it, nor did the Lockdowns. 

But..... Since this virus is in the environment.  HOW is placing a Muzzle on everyyone and locking everyone up - TAKING THE VIRUS OUT OF THE ENVIRONMENT?   I'm unammused at lockdowns,  The secondary casualties because of lockdowns far out number the actual victims of covid.   The seasonal Cold and the Flu have mysteriously disappeared, which I find rather telling.  I think Fear begets more Fear, and If you believe that it's some terrible death sentence then you will experience what you believe.  If you are immuno compromised, then you already would be taking precautions not to get the sesonal cold or flu therefore your precaution for covid should look the same.  If you are not immuno compromised and have a strong immune system, then don't subscribe to the fear because fear will lower your ability to fight any virus not just covid.  I realize that with some apparently health people have "died" from Covid, but when it is your time to go it won't matter if it's covid, the flu or some random lightning bolt 

My sister has COVID right now, she's also an RN and doesn't agree with the mask mandate. 

She's had a little bit of a cold last week, but her friend had the same symptoms and was negative. 

She got tested Friday and got the positive result Saturday morning. That afternoon she started with a fever and lost her taste. She's also had the poops. . . . but she said she doesn't feel like she's going to die.

She was told she was under quarantine by the Wyoming health department, then later told they didn't have the juristiction to quarantine her Utah would have to do it, but she could go back to work this Friday if she's symptom free. (we live in Utah but work in Wyoming, where she was tested

 

 

Our accountant has it or that's how they diagnosed him.  He's in his mid 70's and is having only mild symptoms.  

Masks are not the answer.  Stopping illegal immigration is.  ICE picked up hundreds last week from 80 different countries.  How many do you think came here sick or asymptomatic.



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GLP
Reg. Oct 2013
Posted 2020-11-09 3:48 PM
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SC Wrangler - 2020-11-09 10:35 AM

You don't think that a week of over 100,000 cases a day and hospital at or nearing capacity indicates a need for some attempt at mitigation?

Sticking heads in the sand and pretending all is well does not make it so.   

 

 

 

I quit following the Covid crap. Has the death rate gone up? Last I saw it was 94.6% RECOVERY RATE for the most vulnerable.  Per the CDC the people dying had 2.5 serious conditions on top of contracting Covid. Those were the ones at 94.6% recovery rate, the rest of us were at 98-99% recovery rate. 
This was back in September. 



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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2020-11-09 5:48 PM
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I think it's time we review some facts about this pandemic.

1.) We now have close to 10 million "cases" of Covid19.  That's very misleading, and actually wrong.  Up until now, using the word "cases" accurately implied people were actually ill from a given disease.  TB "cases" were people sick from TB.  Whooping cough "cases" had whooping cough.  Measles "cases" had measles.  Of those 10 million with positive Covid19 tests, about 40% were asymptomatic, with another 40% having mild symptoms.  So while the MSM succeeded in conveying the intended message that 10 million Americans were ill with Covid19, that is grossly misleading.  That's where the term "Casedemic" got its origin.

2.) Furthermore, according to the CDC, antibody testing has demonstrated that the reported Covid19 positive tests actually reflects 10% of the actual number of people likely to have had the virus.  In fact, they estimate the real number to be 10 times higher, and as much as 24 times higher.  Even on the low end, based on the  CDC findings, the "Casedemic" numbers are at least 100 million, and as much as 240 million.  Don't believe me?  See the link below, as well as the numerous others from the MSM.  Do the math....10X10=100.  That sorta math. So the real denominator is much higher than the "Casedemic" numbers.

3.)What we should be worried about is the actual deaths....the numerator.  Using these numbers, for a person testing positive for Covid19, the "case" fatality rate ranges between 0.1 - 0.24%.  If you are younger than 65 that risk is substantially less.  Everyone knows this.  Everyone knows who the vulnerable people are.

4.) Sadly, the issue over masks has become a toxic political tool, and most Americans fell for it.  New York and New Jersey have the most strict mask mandates in the country......and the highest death rates per capita.  It's hard to make a good correlation between mask mandates and death rates.  To be clear, I think it's sensible to wear masks under certain circumstances, and we do, because it's cheap, easy, and might make a difference.  The craze over a national mask mandate is yet another political tool, in my opinion.  Much of it is symbolism over substance, and sadly it works with too many low information voters.

5.) Operation Warp Speed appears to be paying off.  We are very close to having a vaccine available.  When that materializes, it will be the most rapid development of a vaccine in history, by far.  For those of us who believe in vaccines, that is probably the best news possible.  Mask mandates are cosmetic, for the most part.  A safe, effective vaccine is an actual weapon.  President Trump deserves credit.  The Dow shot up to record levels this morning largely because of the good news on Covid19 vaccines.

6.) China is responsible for this catastrophe, no matter how you look at it.  That's just a hard fact. 



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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2020-11-09 5:50 PM
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https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-says-covid-19-cases-u-s-may-be-10-n1232134

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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2020-11-09 6:02 PM
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babbsywabbsy - 2020-11-09 11:43 AM


His brother Rahm did such a great job in Chicago too! Super clean city with a great education system along with very low tax and crime rate. LOL 


Zeke Emanuel in March:  “So, the public, running out and getting a mask is not going to help.”

 

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caspersabelpip
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2020-11-09 9:18 PM
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Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
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caspersabelpip - 2020-11-09 9:18 PM


Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 


Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  

The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 

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Reg. Nov 2004
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Does the positive Covid test still get paid???

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lonely va barrelxr
Reg. Apr 2005
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Turnburnsis - 2020-11-10 6:38 AM


Does the positive Covid test still get paid???


 

 

I like how you think . . straight to the root . . 

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caspersabelpip
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2020-11-10 7:24 AM
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Bear - 2020-11-09 11:07 PM


caspersabelpip - 2020-11-09 9:18 PM


Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 


Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  

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babbsywabbsy
Reg. Feb 2016
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Turnburnsis - 2020-11-10 6:38 AM


Does the positive Covid test still get paid???



 


 


I like how you think . . straight to the root . . 


Follow the money.... 

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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2020-11-10 8:58 AM
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caspersabelpip - 2020-11-10 7:24 AM


Bear - 2020-11-09 11:07 PM


caspersabelpip - 2020-11-09 9:18 PM


Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 



Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  


I fly to MN to cover a small town ER for 4-5 days a couple times a month.  We had very few Covid "cases" through the summer, mostly asymptomatic or very minimally symptomatic.  Over the last couple months things heated up, and we started seeing some deaths in people over 65-70 with co-morbidities.  It wasn't overwhelming, but the larger referral hospitals started getting crunched for Covid beds.  The non-covid beds were tight because of a backlog in elective surgery, etc...

I have seen a lot of good results, though, mainly because we know a lot more about treatment and Dex has made a big difference.  The recent approval of monoclonal antibodies are promising and of course the vaccine (for those willing to take it) should help take some of the pressure off.  In my opinion, the way we have responded and made big advances is a credit to our profession.  The government's response in marshaling the capability if the private sector has been pretty impressive to me. 

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babbsywabbsy - 2020-11-10 8:17 AM


lonely va barrelxr - 2020-11-10 6:53 AM


Turnburnsis - 2020-11-10 6:38 AM


Does the positive Covid test still get paid???



 


 


I like how you think . . straight to the root . . 



Follow the money.... 


No, just testing postive doesn't really generate money. The person has to be hospitalized before the government is paying out the big money everyone is talking about. Most people who test positive use tylenol, nyquil, mucinex, that kind of stuff at home to get better. That doesn't cost us anything. I have several friends sick with it now recovering at home (hopefully they can do so fully). The most important numbers to my mind are hospitalization rate and death rate like Bear said. When hospitals can't cope with patients, that's when more people die. So we have to be stricter when hospitalization rates are high.

And yes, locally there can be more concerns. My mom is an infectious disease nurse in Amarillo. They currently have 100 nurses out on quarantine in their area and their hospitals are at capacity. People needing ventilators now better hope they can get transport or they may die for lack of an ICU bed or ventilator. I think Lubbock is in very bad shape like this too. El Paso, Lubbock and Amarillo are the biggest hot spots in Texas right now. Amarillo just imposed more restrictions as a result. My parents had been going to 'socially distanced' church but they shut that back down again and in that environment with a hospitalization rate swinging from 15% to 28% that's probably good.

I think its sad that basic health things have become politicized. Science is science. And a life is a life. They are all valuable.

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"Oh look! No social distancing at Trump rallies!"  
"Oh look!  Protests with hundreds of thousands of people and no social distancing!"  
"Oh look!  White House staffers test positive for Covid!  
"Oh look!  Biden team members test positive for Covid!"  
"Oh look!  Pence tests positive for Covid!"  
"Oh look!  Kamala's staff members test positive for Covid!"
"Oh look!  Trump has Covid....he's hospitalized.....the bastard has pizza delivered to supporters....he's back on the campaign trail!" 

That's what happened for the last 4 months....back and forth.  Didn't make a dam bit of difference.  Like watching a tennis match. 

 

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babbsywabbsy - 2020-11-10 8:17 AM


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Turnburnsis - 2020-11-10 6:38 AM


Does the positive Covid test still get paid???



 


 


I like how you think . . straight to the root . . 



Follow the money.... 



No, just testing postive doesn't really generate money. The person has to be hospitalized before the government is paying out the big money everyone is talking about. Most people who test positive use tylenol, nyquil, mucinex, that kind of stuff at home to get better. That doesn't cost us anything. I have several friends sick with it now recovering at home (hopefully they can do so fully). The most important numbers to my mind are hospitalization rate and death rate like Bear said. When hospitals can't cope with patients, that's when more people die. So we have to be stricter when hospitalization rates are high.


And yes, locally there can be more concerns. My mom is an infectious disease nurse in Amarillo. They currently have 100 nurses out on quarantine in their area and their hospitals are at capacity. People needing ventilators now better hope they can get transport or they may die for lack of an ICU bed or ventilator. I think Lubbock is in very bad shape like this too. El Paso, Lubbock and Amarillo are the biggest hot spots in Texas right now. Amarillo just imposed more restrictions as a result. My parents had been going to 'socially distanced' church but they shut that back down again and in that environment with a hospitalization rate swinging from 15% to 28% that's probably good.


I think its sad that basic health things have become politicized. Science is science. And a life is a life. They are all valuable.


Thank you for explaining.  I have been hearing more negative tests lately and that's why I was asking.  I just wished they had never paid for the positives in the first place.  I still dont understand the reason for the paying positives except to fudge numbers!

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caspersabelpip
Reg. May 2007
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From a Health Department standpoint any money we have received is for very specific things. We received money to hire additional contact tracers or covid testers.  If covid did not exist we would have no need to hire these additional people. Even with the new staff we have hired we are still stretched extremely thin. I have very little time to do the job I was actually hired to do 3 years ago. 

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Reg. Jul 2004
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For all of you who work in the world of health care, thank you for what you do and your dedication.   

Years ago I thought I could be a medical transcriptionist, two classes later I knew just understanding the terminology was too tough for me.  I admire you all.

 

 

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Reg. May 2007
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Frodo - 2020-11-10 2:36 PM


For all of you who work in the world of health care, thank you for what you do and your dedication.   


Years ago I thought I could be a medical transcriptionist, two classes later I knew just understanding the terminology was too tough for me.  I admire you all.


 


 


Thank you for saying that. It's nice to hear when people appreciate what we do. It seems like I've got a lot more criticism than thanks lately. 

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jake16
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2020-11-10 7:25 PM
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Yes,THANK YOU HEALTHCARE WORKERS,we currently have a family member on a vent with covid,and pnemonia,and isnt looking good,cant visit:(also my friend and her young son have it,they are doing ok at home.WE APPRECIATE YOU,alot of healthcare workers here are getting covid this time around:(STAY SAFE.

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Reg. Apr 2009
Posted 2020-11-11 9:48 AM
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I agree, thank you to our health care workers! I cannot imagine being in the medical field right now. 

What bothers me is how politicized this virus has become. I just don't think the economy or peoples mental health can take another shut down. 

In my opinion most governors could take a few notes from South Dakota's Kristi Noem 

 

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Reg. Apr 2009
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Bear - 2020-11-09 4:48 PM


I think it's time we review some facts about this pandemic.


1.) We now have close to 10 million "cases" of Covid19.  That's very misleading, and actually wrong.  Up until now, using the word "cases" accurately implied people were actually ill from a given disease.  TB "cases" were people sick from TB.  Whooping cough "cases" had whooping cough.  Measles "cases" had measles.  Of those 10 million with positive Covid19 tests, about 40% were asymptomatic, with another 40% having mild symptoms.  So while the MSM succeeded in conveying the intended message that 10 million Americans were ill with Covid19, that is grossly misleading.  That's where the term "Casedemic" got its origin.


2.) Furthermore, according to the CDC, antibody testing has demonstrated that the reported Covid19 positive tests actually reflects 10% of the actual number of people likely to have had the virus.  In fact, they estimate the real number to be 10 times higher, and as much as 24 times higher.  Even on the low end, based on the  CDC findings, the "Casedemic" numbers are at least 100 million, and as much as 240 million.  Don't believe me?  See the link below, as well as the numerous others from the MSM.  Do the math....10X10=100.  That sorta math. So the real denominator is much higher than the "Casedemic" numbers.


3.)What we should be worried about is the actual deaths....the numerator.  Using these numbers, for a person testing positive for Covid19, the "case" fatality rate ranges between 0.1 - 0.24%.  If you are younger than 65 that risk is substantially less.  Everyone knows this.  Everyone knows who the vulnerable people are.


4.) Sadly, the issue over masks has become a toxic political tool, and most Americans fell for it.  New York and New Jersey have the most strict mask mandates in the country......and the highest death rates per capita.  It's hard to make a good correlation between mask mandates and death rates.  To be clear, I think it's sensible to wear masks under certain circumstances, and we do, because it's cheap, easy, and might make a difference.  The craze over a national mask mandate is yet another political tool, in my opinion.  Much of it is symbolism over substance, and sadly it works with too many low information voters.


5.) Operation Warp Speed appears to be paying off.  We are very close to having a vaccine available.  When that materializes, it will be the most rapid development of a vaccine in history, by far.  For those of us who believe in vaccines, that is probably the best news possible.  Mask mandates are cosmetic, for the most part.  A safe, effective vaccine is an actual weapon.  President Trump deserves credit.  The Dow shot up to record levels this morning largely because of the good news on Covid19 vaccines.


6.) China is responsible for this catastrophe, no matter how you look at it.  That's just a hard fact. 


Thanks Bear! I always enjoy reading your responses. 

 

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caspersabelpip
Reg. May 2007
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caspersabelpip - 2020-11-09 9:18 PM

Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 

Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  

The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 

Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  

Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. 



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SC Wrangler
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2020-11-11 6:12 PM
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Bear - 2020-11-09 11:07 PM


caspersabelpip - 2020-11-09 9:18 PM


Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 



Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  



Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. ??


As much as some want to minimize the situation, this pandemic is is very, very real and raging.  It is easy to point out that most do not get really ill and recover with out incident.  I realize that many those who have died had underlying health issues, but the fact remains that they would have still been alive if they had not caught covid.  I doubt that the loved ones of nearly a quarter million fellow Americans find any solicev in any of those facts.  

A friend of 40+ years passed away last week.  She spent almost 2mos in the hospital. She was on a vent and ecmo bypass.  4 weeks in she rallied and actually came off the vent.  She seemed to be making progress and  then suddenly started to go down hill.  She declined to go back on the vent and passed within 24 hours.   Her husband who had many health issues only had a few days of cold type symptoms and recovered completely.  You just never know who will be effected how.  

 

 

 

 

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jake16
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2020-11-11 6:37 PM
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caspersabelpip - 2020-11-09 9:18 PM


Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 



Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  



Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. 


I am so sorry,we are about in the same situation,and having an AWFUL time getting info on our family member.She is 59,the hospital will only talk to the ONE person listed,they will not talk to other family.Another family member was diagnosed with terminal cancer last month,sent home with hospice,5 of the caretakers now have covid,and 4 family members.

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1DSoon
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2020-11-11 6:43 PM
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caspersabelpip - 2020-11-09 9:18 PM


Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 



Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  



Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. ??



As much as some want to minimize the situation, this pandemic is is very, very real and raging.  It is easy to point out that most do not get really ill and recover with out incident.  I realize that many those who have died had underlying health issues, but the fact remains that they would have still been alive if they had not caught covid.  I doubt that the loved ones of nearly a quarter million fellow Americans find any solicev in any of those facts.  


A friend of 40+ years passed away last week.  She spent almost 2mos in the hospital. She was on a vent and ecmo bypass.  4 weeks in she rallied and actually came off the vent.  She seemed to be making progress and  then suddenly started to go down hill.  She declined to go back on the vent and passed within 24 hours.   Her husband who had many health issues only had a few days of cold type symptoms and recovered completely.  You just never know who will be effected how.  


 


 


 


 


for every anecdote like that there is the other side like mine. 

Everyone in my immediate family has had it and brushed it off like the common cold. 

My 80ish year old parents now have it and my dad was mowing and my mom was working her garden this afternoon. 

 

It's real, it's also no more serious than the flu. 

 

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SC Wrangler
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2020-11-11 8:03 PM
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Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 

Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  

The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 

Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  

Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. ??

As much as some want to minimize the situation, this pandemic is is very, very real and raging.  It is easy to point out that most do not get really ill and recover with out incident.  I realize that many those who have died had underlying health issues, but the fact remains that they would have still been alive if they had not caught covid.  I doubt that the loved ones of nearly a quarter million fellow Americans find any solicev in any of those facts.  

A friend of 40+ years passed away last week.  She spent almost 2mos in the hospital. She was on a vent and ecmo bypass.  4 weeks in she rallied and actually came off the vent.  She seemed to be making progress and  then suddenly started to go down hill.  She declined to go back on the vent and passed within 24 hours.   Her husband who had many health issues only had a few days of cold type symptoms and recovered completely.  You just never know who will be effected how.  

 

 

 

 

for every anecdote like that there is the other side like mine. 

Everyone in my immediate family has had it and brushed it off like the common cold. 

My 80ish year old parents now have it and my dad was mowing and my mom was working her garden this afternoon. 

 

It's real, it's also no more serious than the flu. 

 

fact

In my world 250,000 dead folks is not anecdotal.  Nor is the flu mortality rate comparable to this pandemic.  Remind me when the flu has ever put ICU beds at or near capacity all over this country.



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Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2020-11-11 8:53 PM
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Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 



Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  



Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. ??



As much as some want to minimize the situation, this pandemic is is very, very real and raging.  It is easy to point out that most do not get really ill and recover with out incident.  I realize that many those who have died had underlying health issues, but the fact remains that they would have still been alive if they had not caught covid.  I doubt that the loved ones of nearly a quarter million fellow Americans find any solicev in any of those facts.  


A friend of 40+ years passed away last week.  She spent almost 2mos in the hospital. She was on a vent and ecmo bypass.  4 weeks in she rallied and actually came off the vent.  She seemed to be making progress and  then suddenly started to go down hill.  She declined to go back on the vent and passed within 24 hours.   Her husband who had many health issues only had a few days of cold type symptoms and recovered completely.  You just never know who will be effected how.  


 


 


 


 



for every anecdote like that there is the other side like mine. 

Everyone in my immediate family has had it and brushed it off like the common cold. 

My 80ish year old parents now have it and my dad was mowing and my mom was working her garden this afternoon. 


 


It's real, it's also no more serious than the flu. 


 


fact


Both my Father in law and Mother in Law had it a few months ago at the same time, both are in their late 80's and bounching back from the Covid, My Mother In Law still claims they just had the Flu.. And my Father In Law has had more then a few heart by- passes so it got him a little more then MIL, but both are doing good and never spended one night in the Hospital.. Just saw them this pass Monday at my sister in laws funeral and they looked a little tired, but they have always stayed busy and in shape, so I think that helped.. MIL has always been a yard person and always works in her garden so I really think them being in good shape helped kick this virus. 

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Posted 2020-11-11 10:10 PM
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Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 



Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  



Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. ??



As much as some want to minimize the situation, this pandemic is is very, very real and raging.  It is easy to point out that most do not get really ill and recover with out incident.  I realize that many those who have died had underlying health issues, but the fact remains that they would have still been alive if they had not caught covid.  I doubt that the loved ones of nearly a quarter million fellow Americans find any solicev in any of those facts.  


A friend of 40+ years passed away last week.  She spent almost 2mos in the hospital. She was on a vent and ecmo bypass.  4 weeks in she rallied and actually came off the vent.  She seemed to be making progress and  then suddenly started to go down hill.  She declined to go back on the vent and passed within 24 hours.   Her husband who had many health issues only had a few days of cold type symptoms and recovered completely.  You just never know who will be effected how.  


 


 


 


 



for every anecdote like that there is the other side like mine. 

Everyone in my immediate family has had it and brushed it off like the common cold. 

My 80ish year old parents now have it and my dad was mowing and my mom was working her garden this afternoon. 


 


It's real, it's also no more serious than the flu. 


 


fact



In my world 250,000 dead folks is not anecdotal.  Nor is the flu mortality rate comparable to this pandemic.  Remind me when the flu has ever put ICU beds at or near capacity all over this country.


I can't speak for 1D, but you used an anecdote and he countered with his anecdote. He didn't say 250,000 deaths was anecdotal. In his family's experience, Covid was like having the flu.  Covid19 is more contagious than Swine flu, but Swine Flu was actually deadlier than Covid19 in kids.  Over 80% of the deaths from H1N1 were under 65, whereas over 80% of Covid19 deaths were in people over 65.  All I can say is if the vaccine is as effective as they claim, any credit will eventually be given to "Operation Warp Speed".  We've never ever even come close to developing an effective vaccine to a NOVEL ("new") virus this quickly at any time in history. 

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Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 



Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  



Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. ??



As much as some want to minimize the situation, this pandemic is is very, very real and raging.  It is easy to point out that most do not get really ill and recover with out incident.  I realize that many those who have died had underlying health issues, but the fact remains that they would have still been alive if they had not caught covid.  I doubt that the loved ones of nearly a quarter million fellow Americans find any solicev in any of those facts.  


A friend of 40+ years passed away last week.  She spent almost 2mos in the hospital. She was on a vent and ecmo bypass.  4 weeks in she rallied and actually came off the vent.  She seemed to be making progress and  then suddenly started to go down hill.  She declined to go back on the vent and passed within 24 hours.   Her husband who had many health issues only had a few days of cold type symptoms and recovered completely.  You just never know who will be effected how.  


 


 


 


 



for every anecdote like that there is the other side like mine. 

Everyone in my immediate family has had it and brushed it off like the common cold. 

My 80ish year old parents now have it and my dad was mowing and my mom was working her garden this afternoon. 


 


It's real, it's also no more serious than the flu. 


 


fact



In my world 250,000 dead folks is not anecdotal.  Nor is the flu mortality rate comparable to this pandemic.  Remind me when the flu has ever put ICU beds at or near capacity all over this country.


250k deaths is tragic

 

 

so is the fact that it's pretty common knowledge that of those 250k were comorbitie deaths. 

 

 

it is both itellectually disengenous and naive not to see the Rice Rabies as a political tool as much as a virus. 

 

 

 

 

Note: my spelling sucks and I don't have my glasses and am typing on my phone. So I don't care 

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Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2020-11-12 8:25 AM
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Again, reality, this virus started in sanctuary cities and El Paso is a super hot spot.  Figure it out.

Our company's accountant is 73 and diabetic.  He has Covid and is sick and a bit miserable but never required hospitalization and is working his way through it.  He will be fine.  

Joe's miracle cure will be masks and shutting down businesses all over the country, then bankrupting the country by putting a couple trillion out there like welfare benefits.  If you let me work, I don't need it but if you shut down my business I sure as heck will.

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Well heck lets just look at the bright side of all this.  If we live thru it there may actually be money for social security since we are killing off all the old folks.  I hope some you self centered people who know everything, don't like your parents or grand parents very well.  My fear isn't dying from it, it would actually be paying all those hospital bills if I live, and I have insurance.

I think it's a sad state of affairs the President who rallied everyday sometimes 4x a day, and told you all it was just going to all go away after the election, is in hiding.  It appears he is being President by Tweet again and he's on a roll.  Many of you should go help him out on his tweet threads they are killing him with "You're Fired" and he could use the support.

If you look at the numbers it appears the states he held rallies in have very high numbers, followed by many red states.   With exception of IL & CA, they have lots of crazies.  To those who said every state should be like SD, please check out how many active cases SD & ND have per population.  They really don't look that good.

You all go rally around the Proud Boys and keep insisting he won, you may find out the silent majority is not as passive as you thought.  I think the longer he keeps acting like a toddler the more people realize how crazy he is.  My amazement is how many people think he's great, he has divided and turned this country into a bunch of crazy people.  I Think voting again is a great thing, since he's had so many rallies many could be sick or dead.  I think the man just loves to rally, seems to be the only part of the job he is interested in.

I thought Mike Pence changing his vacation plans wash rich..... did he change them because of the hurricane, to please Trump?  He sure didn't change it to work on that wonderful Task Force for the virus that was going to just go away.   Man that was a good plan.  Has he done any work lately beside rally?

Personally I am so happy he lost.  I think for the benefit of trying to raise children with him as President it's a wonderful thing.  I can't imagine trying to tell your kid not to be a bully when you have one on TV everyday calling people names and being an a$$, it's a real benefit.  The fact that she has a "Be Best" campaign is a roit.  JMO  

I also think the republicans not standing up to him is amazing.  Ever wonder how Lindsey Graham can go from saying he's "Bat $hit crazy" to support him?   I bet he hides cameras in his hotel rooms just like Putin.  I'm so proud of Mitt Romney it would have been so much better if he had won.

Flame away, it's a slow day.

 



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caspersabelpip - 2020-11-09 9:18 PM


Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 



Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  



Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. ??



As much as some want to minimize the situation, this pandemic is is very, very real and raging.  It is easy to point out that most do not get really ill and recover with out incident.  I realize that many those who have died had underlying health issues, but the fact remains that they would have still been alive if they had not caught covid.  I doubt that the loved ones of nearly a quarter million fellow Americans find any solicev in any of those facts.  


A friend of 40+ years passed away last week.  She spent almost 2mos in the hospital. She was on a vent and ecmo bypass.  4 weeks in she rallied and actually came off the vent.  She seemed to be making progress and  then suddenly started to go down hill.  She declined to go back on the vent and passed within 24 hours.   Her husband who had many health issues only had a few days of cold type symptoms and recovered completely.  You just never know who will be effected how.  


 


 


 


 



for every anecdote like that there is the other side like mine. 

Everyone in my immediate family has had it and brushed it off like the common cold. 

My 80ish year old parents now have it and my dad was mowing and my mom was working her garden this afternoon. 


 


It's real, it's also no more serious than the flu. 


 


fact



In my world 250,000 dead folks is not anecdotal.  Nor is the flu mortality rate comparable to this pandemic.  Remind me when the flu has ever put ICU beds at or near capacity all over this country.



I can't speak for 1D, but you used an anecdote and he countered with his anecdote. He didn't say 250,000 deaths was anecdotal. In his family's experience, Covid was like having the flu.  Covid19 is more contagious than Swine flu, but Swine Flu was actually deadlier than Covid19 in kids.  Over 80% of the deaths from H1N1 were under 65, whereas over 80% of Covid19 deaths were in people over 65.  All I can say is if the vaccine is as effective as they claim, any credit will eventually be given to "Operation Warp Speed".  We've never ever even come close to developing an effective vaccine to a NOVEL ("new") virus this quickly at any time in history. 


If the vaccinne is as effective as they claim, will it be the "cure all" for lack of better words- to get the country opened back up and ditch the masks? 

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Well heck lets just look at the bright side of all this.  If we live thru it there may actually be money for social security since we are killing off all the old folks.  I hope some you self centered people who know everything, don't like your parents or grand parents very well.  My fear isn't dying from it, it would actually be paying all those hospital bills if I live, and I have insurance.


I think it's a sad state of affairs the President who rallied everyday sometimes 4x a day, and told you all it was just going to all go away after the election, is in hiding.  It appears he is being President by Tweet again and he's on a roll.  Many of you should go help him out on his tweet threads they are killing him with "You're Fired" and he could use the support.


If you look at the numbers it appears the states he held rallies in have very high numbers, followed by many red states.   With exception of IL & CA, they have lots of crazies.  To those who said every state should be like SD, please check out how many active cases SD & ND have per population.  They really don't look that good.


You all go rally around the Proud Boys and keep insisting he won, you may find out the silent majority is not as passive as you thought.  I think the longer he keeps acting like a toddler the more people realize how crazy he is.  My amazement is how many people think he's great, he has divided and turned this country into a bunch of crazy people.  I Think voting again is a great thing, since he's had so many rallies many could be sick or dead.  I think the man just loves to rally, seems to be the only part of the job he is interested in.


I thought Mike Pence changing his vacation plans wash rich..... did he change them because of the hurricane, to please Trump?  He sure didn't change it to work on that wonderful Task Force for the virus that was going to just go away.   Man that was a good plan.  Has he done any work lately beside rally?


Personally I am so happy he lost.  I think for the benefit of trying to raise children with him as President it's a wonderful thing.  I can't imagine trying to tell your kid not to be a bully when you have one on TV everyday calling people names and being an a$$, it's a real benefit.  The fact that she has a "Be Best" campaign is a roit.  JMO  


I also think the republicans not standing up to him is amazing.  Ever wonder how Lindsey Graham can go from saying he's "Bat $hit crazy" to support him?   I bet he hides cameras in his hotel rooms just like Putin.  I'm so proud of Mitt Romney it would have been so much better if he had won.


Flame away, it's a slow day.


 


Normally, I would be more than happy to dissect your rant and "flame away" as you put it. I just would like to know who, specifically, you were referring to when you said "some of you self-centered people".  Care to name names?  I'd like to know who these self-centered people are, and why you label them as such.  

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I will answer..... people who think it's a hoax,

people who think wearing a mask is taking away their freedoms

people who attend rallies & protests, celebrations to infect other people.

people who harass others for what they think about the virus

people with no respect for other peoples space

I could go on but I think this will do

ETA:  People who are asymptomatc and choose to go out and to work because after they don't feel bad so why should they care about other people.

I really don't care if you do all the above things IF you stay to yourself and don't go around infecting other people.  If you are a hermit and want to protest and go home alone to stay or die.  I'm fine with that, just don't go to work, school or the grocery store.  JMO



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Palopony - 2020-11-12 11:48 AM


I will answer..... people who think it's a hoax,


people who think wearing a mask is taking away their freedoms


people who attend rallies & protests, celebrations to infect other people.


people who harass others for what they think about the virus


people with no respect for other peoples space


I could go on but I think this will do


ETA:  People who are asymptomatc and choose to go out and to work because after they don't feel bad so why should they care about other people.


I really don't care if you do all the above things IF you stay to yourself and don't go around infecting other people.  If you are a hermit and want to protest and go home alone to stay or die.  I'm fine with that, just don't go to work, school or the grocery store.  JMO


have you ever really thought what would happen shutting down country

 

no food in several days  no truck drivers to pu del as then they have to have fuel etc  talk about killing and riots

 oh power goes off no line men

 

get really its here lesn to live with it  we tried that shut down crap  look what that did  nothing

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I never said a word about shutting down the country.  I do see that other countries that did follow the shut down (instead of only 1/2 the country believeing it was real) doing a lot better than we are.  I know the Canadians seem to be doing better.  Also in reading RV forums the prices of pretty good medical care in Mexico is unreal, no wonder so many Canadians vacation there, they can afford care.  Is that why so many people in TX don't need health insurance?  Do they just go to Mexico?

I don't have the answers, just seems we have a problem no one is very concerned about.

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Palopony - 2020-11-12 11:58 AM


I never said a word about shutting down the country.  I do see that other countries that did follow the shut down (instead of only 1/2 the country believeing it was real) doing a lot better than we are.  I know the Canadians seem to be doing better.  Also in reading RV forums the prices of pretty good medical care in Mexico is unreal, no wonder so many Canadians vacation there, they can afford care.  Is that why so many people in TX don't need health insurance?  Do they just go to Mexico?


I don't have the answers, just seems we have a problem no one is very concerned about.


Canadians have socialized medicine. So I guess they're going to Mexico so they don't have to wait 3 years for an elective surgery.

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Imho it is extremely naive and irresponsible to downplay the pandemic at this point.  I hope the vaccine/vaccines are everything they are purported to be, but we are months and months from seeing any benefit from them.  In the meantime public health strategies need to be employed in an attempt to mitigate this out if control situation.  

I never cease to be amazed at all the people who pay lip service to the sanctity of life yet cannot be inconvenienced to wear a mask or social distance in an attempt to save a few.  Nobody likes masks but seriously suck it up and get over it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I will answer..... people who think it's a hoax,


people who think wearing a mask is taking away their freedoms


people who attend rallies & protests, celebrations to infect other people.


people who harass others for what they think about the virus


people with no respect for other peoples space


I could go on but I think this will do


ETA:  People who are asymptomatc and choose to go out and to work because after they don't feel bad so why should they care about other people.


I really don't care if you do all the above things IF you stay to yourself and don't go around infecting other people.  If you are a hermit and want to protest and go home alone to stay or die.  I'm fine with that, just don't go to work, school or the grocery store.  JMO


Covid19 was no hoax.  China is to blame one way or another.  You need to refresh your selective memory regarding the MSM's initial response to it.  You also need to refresh your memory about leading Democrat's initial stances on the pandemic.....Pelosi, Schumer, Cuomo, et al.  Democrats eventually seized upon it and used it as a political weapon throughout the campaign, even though the only thing they would have done differently was more strict restrictions/shutdowns and mask mandates.   You are quick to blame Trump rallies for spreading Covid, but you omit the fact that hundreds of thousands of BLM and Antifa protesters were elbow to elbow rioting, looting, burning Democrat governed cities. You also turned a blind eye to maskless crowds in post election celebrations in those same cities across the country...."to infect other people" (your words).  You have a selective foolhardy contempt for "people who harass other for what they think about the virus", but no mention of the loons rioting, burning, calling for defunding the police, and tearing down statues. 
You made a comment about Governor Noem in SD and tried to suggest her leadership is to blame for Covid in SD.  Again, your cherry picking is laughable.  Have you looked at the states with the highest death rates, per capita?  NY and NJ have had some of the strictest lockdowns and mask policies, yet they have THREE times the death rate of SD per capita.  Trump pulled out all the stops and mobilized the military to provide thousands of hospital beds to NY last April-May.  And another thing....what's with this twisted remark about elderly dying and social security?  It was Cuomo who condemned thousands of elderly to die with his nursing home mandate.  Instead of using all those beds we provided to NY at amazing speed, he forced Covid19 patients into nursing homes.  Explain that one.....you won't.  You can't. All you can come up with is the predictable "whataboutism". 
As to Canada, you are comparing apples and oranges.  


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Palopony - 2020-11-12 11:58 AM


I never said a word about shutting down the country.  I do see that other countries that did follow the shut down (instead of only 1/2 the country believeing it was real) doing a lot better than we are.  I know the Canadians seem to be doing better.  Also in reading RV forums the prices of pretty good medical care in Mexico is unreal, no wonder so many Canadians vacation there, they can afford care.  Is that why so many people in TX don't need health insurance?  Do they just go to Mexico?


I don't have the answers, just seems we have a problem no one is very concerned about.



Canadians have socialized medicine. So I guess they're going to Mexico so they don't have to wait 3 years for an elective surgery.


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Imho it is extremely naive and irresponsible to downplay the pandemic at this point.  I hope the vaccine/vaccines are everything they are purported to be, but we are months and months from seeing any benefit from them.  In the meantime public health strategies need to be employed in an attempt to mitigate this out if control situation.  


I never cease to be amazed at all the people who pay lip service to the sanctity of life yet cannot be inconvenienced to wear a mask or social distance in an attempt to save a few.  Nobody likes masks but seriously suck it up and get over it.


 


 


 


 


 


 


Oh you needn't worry.  Once the Biden administration takes over, the media will swoon over his leadership in conquering Covid.  Bank on it.

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Bear - 2020-11-12 1:45 PM


Palopony - 2020-11-12 10:48 AM


I will answer..... people who think it's a hoax,


people who think wearing a mask is taking away their freedoms


people who attend rallies & protests, celebrations to infect other people.


people who harass others for what they think about the virus


people with no respect for other peoples space


I could go on but I think this will do


ETA:  People who are asymptomatc and choose to go out and to work because after they don't feel bad so why should they care about other people.


I really don't care if you do all the above things IF you stay to yourself and don't go around infecting other people.  If you are a hermit and want to protest and go home alone to stay or die.  I'm fine with that, just don't go to work, school or the grocery store.  JMO



Covid19 was no hoax.  China is to blame one way or another.  You need to refresh your selective memory regarding the MSM's initial response to it.  You also need to refresh your memory about leading Democrat's initial stances on the pandemic.....Pelosi, Schumer, Cuomo, et al.  Democrats eventually seized upon it and used it as a political weapon throughout the campaign, even though the only thing they would have done differently was more strict restrictions/shutdowns and mask mandates.   You are quick to blame Trump rallies for spreading Covid, but you omit the fact that hundreds of thousands of BLM and Antifa protesters were elbow to elbow rioting, looting, burning Democrat governed cities. You also turned a blind eye to maskless crowds in post election celebrations in those same cities across the country...."to infect other people" (your words).  You have a selective foolhardy contempt for "people who harass other for what they think about the virus", but no mention of the loons rioting, burning, calling for defunding the police, and tearing down statues. 
You made a comment about Governor Noem in SD and tried to suggest her leadership is to blame for Covid in SD.  Again, your cherry picking is laughable.  Have you looked at the states with the highest death rates, per capita?  NY and NJ have had some of the strictest lockdowns and mask policies, yet they have THREE times the death rate of SD per capita.  Trump pulled out all the stops and mobilized the military to provide thousands of hospital beds to NY last April-May.  And another thing....what's with this twisted remark about elderly dying and social security?  It was Cuomo who condemned thousands of elderly to die with his nursing home mandate.  Instead of using all those beds we provided to NY at amazing speed, he forced Covid19 patients into nursing homes.  Explain that one.....you won't.  You can't. All you can come up with is the predictable "whataboutism". 
As to Canada, you are comparing apples and oranges.  



Apparently you didn't read the highlighted part, I thought I said it pretty plain.

Most people on here seem OK (you included) with the old people dying, after all you said they have preexisting conditions.

I sure feel sorry for those young people with preexisting conditions.

 

As for the high death rate up east most of it happened in the very beginning when we got nothing but conflicting information, if we got any at all from the powers that be.  As for Nancy partying in Chinatown she was trying to convince people that eating in places owned by immigrants from China was OK.  Was it?  I don't know it was pretty early everyone was still going everywhere.  I really don't care.  I think if the President would have taken the virus seriously so would many others.  However having watched a lot of his rallies he did not at all.

You know he made fun of reporters wearing masks, said he couldn't hear them.  Mark Meadows refused.... karma.  I feel sorry for Ben Carson but he was a Trump fan.

I think when you know better you do better and I don't think this President did that at all.

As for all those temp beds in NY, better send them down to TX.  I hope your Govenor fusses so much he does something because I hear El Paso is getting pretty full.  I guess we can wait and see on the Dakotas they are climbing daily.

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SC Wrangler - 2020-11-12 12:32 PM


Imho it is extremely naive and irresponsible to downplay the pandemic at this point.  I hope the vaccine/vaccines are everything they are purported to be, but we are months and months from seeing any benefit from them.  In the meantime public health strategies need to be employed in an attempt to mitigate this out if control situation.  


I never cease to be amazed at all the people who pay lip service to the sanctity of life yet cannot be inconvenienced to wear a mask or social distance in an attempt to save a few.  Nobody likes masks but seriously suck it up and get over it.


 


 


 


 


 


 



Oh you needn't worry.  Once the Biden administration takes over, the media will swoon over his leadership in conquering Covid.  Bank on it.


One thing about it, we can count on you to keep it political.  Right now the world's most advanced country has results worse than a third world country.  Obviously it is not going away " like things just go away" so the stick your head in the sand strategy is failing.

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Bear - 2020-11-12 12:49 PM


SC Wrangler - 2020-11-12 12:32 PM


Imho it is extremely naive and irresponsible to downplay the pandemic at this point.  I hope the vaccine/vaccines are everything they are purported to be, but we are months and months from seeing any benefit from them.  In the meantime public health strategies need to be employed in an attempt to mitigate this out if control situation.  


I never cease to be amazed at all the people who pay lip service to the sanctity of life yet cannot be inconvenienced to wear a mask or social distance in an attempt to save a few.  Nobody likes masks but seriously suck it up and get over it.


 


 


 


 


 


 



Oh you needn't worry.  Once the Biden administration takes over, the media will swoon over his leadership in conquering Covid.  Bank on it.



One thing about it, we can count on you to keep it political.  Right now the world's most advanced country has results worse than a third world country.  Obviously it is not going away " like things just go away" so the stick your head in the sand strategy is failing.


Bless your heart.  You need to have your memory refreshed as well, I see.  It was your party that seized on the political opportunities due to this pandemic.  

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Posted 2020-11-12 1:39 PM
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Palopony - 2020-11-12 11:58 AM


I never said a word about shutting down the country.  I do see that other countries that did follow the shut down (instead of only 1/2 the country believeing it was real) doing a lot better than we are.  I know the Canadians seem to be doing better.  Also in reading RV forums the prices of pretty good medical care in Mexico is unreal, no wonder so many Canadians vacation there, they can afford care.  Is that why so many people in TX don't need health insurance?  Do they just go to Mexico?


I don't have the answers, just seems we have a problem no one is very concerned about.



Canadians have socialized medicine. So I guess they're going to Mexico so they don't have to wait 3 years for an elective surgery.



perfect answer


Well someone please enlighten me on Canada's medical care.  Seems they have lost 10,745 people to COVID and are 31st on the list on countries.  Where as we are sure winning and TX has lost 19,573.  Is Canada bigger than TX?   I guess Canadian healthcare is better than what you have in TX.

Or do you just have sicker people?

Please explain..........

At least they won't lose their house or life savings over it.

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Palopony, you said, "Most people on here seem OK (you included) with the old people dying, after all you said they have preexisting conditions."  What makes you come to this conclusion?  That's just ugly.  You are saying most people on BHW are OK with the old people dying.  Shame on you.  Seriously.  

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Palopony
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Bear - 2020-11-12 2:41 PM

Palopony, you said, "Most people on here seem OK (you included) with the old people dying, after all you said they have preexisting conditions."  What makes you come to this conclusion?  That's just ugly.  You are saying most people on BHW are OK with the old people dying.  Shame on you.  Seriously.  

I did NOT say that.   I said most people on here...... You and 1dsoon, STXpony, are the ones who keep saying it's no big deal.  Seems like most on here know someone who has had it and was not big deal.  I know people who have gotten really sick and died.

 

Don't put words in my mouth.  I have begged people to take this seriously since they cancelled Houston all because of that Liberal Democrat mayor you all said not me.

Answer my question about Canada vs TX please?

ETA:  I am old people and I'm not ok with.   



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I never said a word about shutting down the country.  I do see that other countries that did follow the shut down (instead of only 1/2 the country believeing it was real) doing a lot better than we are.  I know the Canadians seem to be doing better.  Also in reading RV forums the prices of pretty good medical care in Mexico is unreal, no wonder so many Canadians vacation there, they can afford care.  Is that why so many people in TX don't need health insurance?  Do they just go to Mexico?


I don't have the answers, just seems we have a problem no one is very concerned about.



Canadians have socialized medicine. So I guess they're going to Mexico so they don't have to wait 3 years for an elective surgery.



perfect answer



Well someone please enlighten me on Canada's medical care.  Seems they have lost 10,745 people to COVID and are 31st on the list on countries.  Where as we are sure winning and TX has lost 19,573.  Is Canada bigger than TX?   I guess Canadian healthcare is better than what you have in TX.


Or do you just have sicker people?


Please explain..........


At least they won't lose their house or life savings over it.


Comparing healthcare in Canada vs the US is a huge topic, and we've gone there over the years.  If you want to know why their death rates from Covid19 is lower than the US, one reason is that the US has many many more densely populated urban areas. Overall, the US is ten times more densely populated. 

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I realize that which is why I compared them to TX.  I find it amazing that Canada has less cases and deaths than either FL or TX over the last 2 days.  Makes me not want to go look at how other countries are doing compared to us.  IMO that really says something about our medical care and that Canada's is not as crappy as we are told.  I wish some Canadians would speak up.  I realize he usually won't let you.  I really don't hear many Canadians fuss about it or people on medicare.  



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Palopony, you said, "Most people on here seem OK (you included) with the old people dying, after all you said they have preexisting conditions."  What makes you come to this conclusion?  That's just ugly.  You are saying most people on BHW are OK with the old people dying.  Shame on you.  Seriously.  



I did NOT say that.   I said most people on here...... You and 1dsoon, STXpony, are the ones who keep saying it's no big deal.  Seems like most on here know someone who has had it and was not big deal.  I know people who have gotten really sick and died.


 


Don't put words in my mouth.  I have begged people to take this seriously since they cancelled Houston all because of that Liberal Democrat mayor you all said not me.


Answer my question about Canada vs TX please?


ETA:  I am old people and I'm not ok with.   


I didn't put words in your mouth.  I quoted what you said, word for word.

You don't need to tell me about people who have gotten sick from Covid.  I know first hand, because I put my own health and well being on the line caring for them, even though I have my own comorbidities, just so you know.  Contrary to what you seem to be implying, I have always taken this seriously.  Furthermore, I have gone to great lengths trying to explain the facts about this disease to people on this forum from its inception.  

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Bear - 2020-11-12 1:41 PM

Palopony, you said, "Most people on here seem OK (you included) with the old people dying, after all you said they have preexisting conditions."  What makes you come to this conclusion?  That's just ugly.  You are saying most people on BHW are OK with the old people dying.  Shame on you.  Seriously.  

Oh, if you noticed the other day Palo said she had friends that were Republicans and Democrats, and then added that the Republicans were more selfish.  Pretty broad statement.



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I realize that which is why I compared them to TX.  I find it amazing that Canada has less cases and deaths than either FL or TX over the last 2 days.  Makes me not want to go look at how other countries are doing compared to us.  IMO that really says something about our medical care and that Canada's is not as crappy as we are told.  I wish some Canadians would speak up.  I realize he usually won't let you.  I really don't hear many Canadians fuss about it or people on medicare.  


You are trying to shift the focus from Covid to healthcare in the US vs Canada.  Just so you know, I'll be the first one to say our healthcare system is extremely dysfunctional.  I just don't think the answer should be to adopt their system of healthcare.  I think there's a lot we can do to vastly improve the quality of care at a lower cost.  

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Palopony, you said, "Most people on here seem OK (you included) with the old people dying, after all you said they have preexisting conditions."  What makes you come to this conclusion?  That's just ugly.  You are saying most people on BHW are OK with the old people dying.  Shame on you.  Seriously.  



Oh, if you noticed the other days Palo said she had friends that were Republicans and Democrats, and then added that the Republicans were more selfish.  Pretty broad statement.


Kinda like saying, "I'm not racist....I have black friends."

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By all means lets make this all about me.  Then you can ignore that people are dying and getting infected at an alarming rate.

You sound a lot like the President, lets just name call and gang up on instead of figuring out how to solve a problem.

 

Hey Frodo..... Just how bad are immigrants in KS?  You aren't even a border state and you sure have issues with them.

Do you care to explain?  Did someone call me a racist?  Typical term for you guys.

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By all means lets make this all about me.  Then you can ignore that people are dying and getting infected at an alarming rate.


You sound a lot like the President, lets just name call and gang up on instead of figuring out how to solve a problem.


 


Hey Frodo..... Just how bad are immigrants in KS?  You aren't even a border state and you sure have issues with them.


Do you care to explain?  Did someone call me a racist?  Typical term for you guys.


I wasn't making this all about you.  I wasn't ignoring the fact that people get sick and die from this virus. I just finished telling you that I'm fully aware from firsthand experience. 

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Imho it is extremely naive and irresponsible to downplay the pandemic at this point.  I hope the vaccine/vaccines are everything they are purported to be, but we are months and months from seeing any benefit from them.  In the meantime public health strategies need to be employed in an attempt to mitigate this out if control situation.  


I never cease to be amazed at all the people who pay lip service to the sanctity of life yet cannot be inconvenienced to wear a mask or social distance in an attempt to save a few.  Nobody likes masks but seriously suck it up and get over it.


 


 


 


 


 


 



Oh you needn't worry.  Once the Biden administration takes over, the media will swoon over his leadership in conquering Covid.  Bank on it.



One thing about it, we can count on you to keep it political.  Right now the world's most advanced country has results worse than a third world country.  Obviously it is not going away " like things just go away" so the stick your head in the sand strategy is failing.



Bless your heart.  You need to have your memory refreshed as well, I see.  It was your party that seized on the political opportunities due to this pandemic.  


You really have no idea who my party is.  But you do seem to enjoy making assumptions based facts not in evidence.

 

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Imho it is extremely naive and irresponsible to downplay the pandemic at this point.  I hope the vaccine/vaccines are everything they are purported to be, but we are months and months from seeing any benefit from them.  In the meantime public health strategies need to be employed in an attempt to mitigate this out if control situation.  


I never cease to be amazed at all the people who pay lip service to the sanctity of life yet cannot be inconvenienced to wear a mask or social distance in an attempt to save a few.  Nobody likes masks but seriously suck it up and get over it.


 


 


 


 


 


 



Oh you needn't worry.  Once the Biden administration takes over, the media will swoon over his leadership in conquering Covid.  Bank on it.



One thing about it, we can count on you to keep it political.  Right now the world's most advanced country has results worse than a third world country.  Obviously it is not going away " like things just go away" so the stick your head in the sand strategy is failing.



Bless your heart.  You need to have your memory refreshed as well, I see.  It was your party that seized on the political opportunities due to this pandemic.  



You really have no idea who my party is.  But you do seem to enjoy making assumptions based facts not in evidence.


 


Point taken.  I was assuming.  Was I wrong?

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Palopony, you said, "Most people on here seem OK (you included) with the old people dying, after all you said they have preexisting conditions."  What makes you come to this conclusion?  That's just ugly.  You are saying most people on BHW are OK with the old people dying.  Shame on you.  Seriously.  



I did NOT say that.   I said most people on here...... You and 1dsoon, STXpony, are the ones who keep saying it's no big deal.  Seems like most on here know someone who has had it and was not big deal.  I know people who have gotten really sick and died.


 


Don't put words in my mouth.  I have begged people to take this seriously since they cancelled Houston all because of that Liberal Democrat mayor you all said not me.


Answer my question about Canada vs TX please?


ETA:  I am old people and I'm not ok with.   



I didn't put words in your mouth.  I quoted what you said, word for word.


You don't need to tell me about people who have gotten sick from Covid.  I know first hand, because I put my own health and well being on the line caring for them, even though I have my own comorbidities, just so you know.  Contrary to what you seem to be implying, I have always taken this seriously.  Furthermore, I have gone to great lengths trying to explain the facts about this disease to people on this forum from its inception.  


Palopony you are just a really HATEFUL person on here, your life must be really kicking you in the A**, I DID NOT SAY anything about wanting old people to DIED!!!! You are the one putting words in other people mouths, what the He** is wrong with you?!! You are picking and picking at us here in Texas, Why is that? You have a SERIOUS problem. If you look at the citys that are having problems with Covid is because they are on the Mexican border, many many people cross those bridges every single day back and forth these are the honest hard working people that need to feed their familys, but some of them are sick but got to feed their familys some how some way but they cross anyway, then we have all the illegals that are breaking the laws that come over here illegal crossing the river carring tons of disease's that are spreading the covid and god knows what else, And you people want open borders!!! Just think if we did have opens borders right now, think what the virus would be doing now, it would be way way worst then what is going on. Well guess what the Covid is raging in Mexico.

And we are Texans and most of us do have health insurance. But some of us choose not to use it because if we do use it at some point then it gos up. So some of Us choose to pay outa pocket because its cheaper.. Now that Trump got the meds to go down on price its alot easier on our pocket books.  

I do know a few that have died because of the covid and then know of some that recovered from the Covid, so what is your problem!!!! Dont YOU EVER PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH AGAIN!!! 

Palopony what state are you from? Why do you think that you know all about Texas, where are you getting all your Information from about whats going on in Texas? Seems to me you know it all. 

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Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 

Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  

The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 

Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  

Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. ??

As much as some want to minimize the situation, this pandemic is is very, very real and raging.  It is easy to point out that most do not get really ill and recover with out incident.  I realize that many those who have died had underlying health issues, but the fact remains that they would have still been alive if they had not caught covid.  I doubt that the loved ones of nearly a quarter million fellow Americans find any solicev in any of those facts.  

A friend of 40+ years passed away last week.  She spent almost 2mos in the hospital. She was on a vent and ecmo bypass.  4 weeks in she rallied and actually came off the vent.  She seemed to be making progress and  then suddenly started to go down hill.  She declined to go back on the vent and passed within 24 hours.   Her husband who had many health issues only had a few days of cold type symptoms and recovered completely.  You just never know who will be effected how.  

 

 

 

 

for every anecdote like that there is the other side like mine. 

Everyone in my immediate family has had it and brushed it off like the common cold. 

My 80ish year old parents now have it and my dad was mowing and my mom was working her garden this afternoon. 

 

It's real, it's also no more serious than the flu. 

 

fact

Both my Father in law and Mother in Law had it a few months ago at the same time, both are in their late 80's and bounching back from the Covid, My Mother In Law still claims they just had the Flu.. And my Father In Law has had more then a few heart by- passes so it got him a little more then MIL, but both are doing good and never spended one night in the Hospital.. Just saw them this pass Monday at my sister in laws funeral and they looked a little tired, but they have always stayed busy and in shape, so I think that helped.. MIL has always been a yard person and always works in her garden so I really think them being in good shape helped kick this virus. 

Once again I NEVER said you wanted old people to die.  YOU SAID IT WAS NO BIG DEAL, see highlighted area.

Many of you have said it's no worse than the flu and have said that all along.

ETA:  I don't want to tell you where I live, you have called me a hateful person with SERIOUS PROBLEMS, so Christian of you. I have a few relatives in TX, I live in the midwest and used to travel a lot and I read everything.

 

 



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Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 



Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  



Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. ??



As much as some want to minimize the situation, this pandemic is is very, very real and raging.  It is easy to point out that most do not get really ill and recover with out incident.  I realize that many those who have died had underlying health issues, but the fact remains that they would have still been alive if they had not caught covid.  I doubt that the loved ones of nearly a quarter million fellow Americans find any solicev in any of those facts.  


A friend of 40+ years passed away last week.  She spent almost 2mos in the hospital. She was on a vent and ecmo bypass.  4 weeks in she rallied and actually came off the vent.  She seemed to be making progress and  then suddenly started to go down hill.  She declined to go back on the vent and passed within 24 hours.   Her husband who had many health issues only had a few days of cold type symptoms and recovered completely.  You just never know who will be effected how.  


 


 


 


 



for every anecdote like that there is the other side like mine. 

Everyone in my immediate family has had it and brushed it off like the common cold. 

My 80ish year old parents now have it and my dad was mowing and my mom was working her garden this afternoon. 


 


It's real, it's also no more serious than the flu. 


 


fact



Both my Father in law and Mother in Law had it a few months ago at the same time, both are in their late 80's and bounching back from the Covid, My Mother In Law still claims they just had the Flu.. And my Father In Law has had more then a few heart by- passes so it got him a little more then MIL, but both are doing good and never spended one night in the Hospital.. Just saw them this pass Monday at my sister in laws funeral and they looked a little tired, but they have always stayed busy and in shape, so I think that helped.. MIL has always been a yard person and always works in her garden so I really think them being in good shape helped kick this virus. 



Once again I NEVER said you wanted old people to die.  YOU SAID IT WAS NO BIG DEAL, see highlighted area.


Many of you have said it's no worse than the flu and have said that all along.


ETA:  I don't want to tell you where I live, you have called me a hateful person with SERIOUS PROBLEMS, so Christian of you. I have a few relatives in TX, I live in the midwest and used to travel a lot and I read everything.


 


 


Where did she say it was "no big deal"?  

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Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 



Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  



Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. ??



As much as some want to minimize the situation, this pandemic is is very, very real and raging.  It is easy to point out that most do not get really ill and recover with out incident.  I realize that many those who have died had underlying health issues, but the fact remains that they would have still been alive if they had not caught covid.  I doubt that the loved ones of nearly a quarter million fellow Americans find any solicev in any of those facts.  


A friend of 40+ years passed away last week.  She spent almost 2mos in the hospital. She was on a vent and ecmo bypass.  4 weeks in she rallied and actually came off the vent.  She seemed to be making progress and  then suddenly started to go down hill.  She declined to go back on the vent and passed within 24 hours.   Her husband who had many health issues only had a few days of cold type symptoms and recovered completely.  You just never know who will be effected how.  


 


 


 


 



for every anecdote like that there is the other side like mine. 

Everyone in my immediate family has had it and brushed it off like the common cold. 

My 80ish year old parents now have it and my dad was mowing and my mom was working her garden this afternoon. 


 


It's real, it's also no more serious than the flu. 


 


fact



Both my Father in law and Mother in Law had it a few months ago at the same time, both are in their late 80's and bounching back from the Covid, My Mother In Law still claims they just had the Flu.. And my Father In Law has had more then a few heart by- passes so it got him a little more then MIL, but both are doing good and never spended one night in the Hospital.. Just saw them this pass Monday at my sister in laws funeral and they looked a little tired, but they have always stayed busy and in shape, so I think that helped.. MIL has always been a yard person and always works in her garden so I really think them being in good shape helped kick this virus. 



Once again I NEVER said you wanted old people to die.  YOU SAID IT WAS NO BIG DEAL, see highlighted area.


Many of you have said it's no worse than the flu and have said that all along.


ETA:  I don't want to tell you where I live, you have called me a hateful person with SERIOUS PROBLEMS, so Christian of you. I have a few relatives in TX, I live in the midwest and used to travel a lot and I read everything.


 


 


Since you high lighted every thing I said, Where does it say that I said its no big deal? I had to reread the high lighted areas over and over to see if I miss me saying its no big deal, but I cant find it.. MY Mother in Law was the one saying she had the flu, but I guess you cant read right for some reason,you were just wanting to put the wording in my mouth so I would be the one that sounded like the bad person that you really are, LOL but I was just repeating what she said about having the covid.. So high light the part where I said it was NO BIG DEAL, I cant seen to find it anywhere.. 

So do tell us what state you are in.. You know what state I'm from and thats no big deal.. 

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Gee I'm sorry, usually around here when 2 people in their late 80's get Covid it is a big deal, and many end up in the hospital and die.  I guess I read that wrong.  The way you decribed it didn't seem like a big deal at all.  I guess old people dying is OK as long as it's not your old people.

I only picked TX because they top the list, and figured it was better to compare to Canada than NY.  Not really picking on TX and if it makes you feel any better I live in a red state where it's raging, next to a blue state who is doing pretty well.

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Palopony - 2020-11-12 4:13 PM

Gee I'm sorry, usually around here when 2 people in their late 80's get Covid it is a big deal, and many end up in the hospital and die.  I guess I read that wrong.  The way you decribed it didn't seem like a big deal at all.  I guess old people dying is OK as long as it's not your old people.

I only picked TX because they top the list, and figured it was better to compare to Canada than NY.  Not really picking on TX and if it makes you feel any better I live in a red state where it's raging, next to a blue state who is doing pretty well.

You're sorry for what?!! And who said it was Ok for the old people to die? seems like it must be you since you keep bringing it up. And if you knew anything about Texas we have the Mexican border dividing us and its called the Rio Grande River and all the people that cross this River are the carriers not all but alot of them, so do tell how we can control the covid thats coming across the river? What can be done? Like I said Mexico is having a big problem with the Covid and since this is our sister country and with the covid coming across the river tell us what to do about this. You seem to know everything about Texas. 

And it dont make me feel any better about you living in a Red state, Because I dont care/ give a darn about what state you are in, was just cuirous since you are a know it all.

Edited to add: I'm done and have things to do, I would not have had much to say but when you brought me up trying to put words in my mouth that WAS not being said, well that didnt sit very well with me, so next time DONT bring up my name are anybody else's that didnt say anything neg. 



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Gee I'm sorry, usually around here when 2 people in their late 80's get Covid it is a big deal, and many end up in the hospital and die.  I guess I read that wrong.  The way you decribed it didn't seem like a big deal at all.  I guess old people dying is OK as long as it's not your old people.


I only picked TX because they top the list, and figured it was better to compare to Canada than NY.  Not really picking on TX and if it makes you feel any better I live in a red state where it's raging, next to a blue state who is doing pretty well.


Which blue state is that?

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regarding healthcare in Canada:  A horse trainer friend of mine lives in Canada  About two years ago she sustained a knee injury. She was grounded -- could not work in her training business. The doctor told her that without quick care and repair she could be disabled forever with the knee issue.  The quickest MRI she could get scheduled was a minimum of a SIX MONTH wait.  Note a minimum of six months. Since she was not near death, her MRI could keep getting pushed out.  There is no way she could sit in a chair for six months or more -- she would lose her business, her place, everything!  She began selling horses, saddles and tack to raise enough cash to come to the USA and get the MRI so she could get a diagnosis and treatment to get back on her feet ASAP. She did that and got the care/repair and saved her livelihood. 

A coworker - a born Canadian, worked hard to obtain a good job in the USA, moved his family and they are all now American citizens (just this year!). He absolutely hates their healthcare system -- also noting the extremely long waits to obtain appointments and poor service. In fact, he hates the entire Canadian governance.  

Both say socialized healthcare is a mess.  I wish I could recall more of their horror stories regarding trying to get healthcare for themselves and their families.  Our system has its issues, but it is much better than other countries. Sure, it sounds great -- free healthcare for all -- but we barely have enough doctors now. In a socialized system, becoming a doctor is of less interest since the money is not there to offset the long hours and education expense.  Fewer doctors mean longer waits for care, i.e. rationing of care.  Scary stuff IMO. 

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caspersabelpip - 2020-11-10 3:13 PM

From a Health Department standpoint any money we have received is for very specific things. We received money to hire additional contact tracers or covid testers.  If covid did not exist we would have no need to hire these additional people. Even with the new staff we have hired we are still stretched extremely thin. I have very little time to do the job I was actually hired to do 3 years ago. 

I just want to say Thank you for all you do and every other health care person out there.  As I read back this thread you and other nurses were quite helpful and I sure wish you well.  Thank you, for telling at least the health dept is not making bank on this virus.  I'm sure there are many places that are cashing in, but not the Health Dept who are trying to keep people safe.

Since the title of the thread is.     Here we go again........ I saw many posts complaining about any and all restrictions.  I also saw many posts saying it was just like the flu.

STXPonygirl  I am sorry I made you mad, I have no idea what to do about the border, quit hiring them would be a good start.  Sorry you think I'm a know it all but I have been telling you the same thing since March.  What can I say I'm old, bored and I read a lot, been home since March.  Other than camping and trail riding and a few funerals, I have been home, thank goodness I love my farm, husband of 41 years, critters and I am a very happy person.  Just a realist, who has put off cooking supper long enough.  Have a great night.

ETA:  Delta Cowgirl thanks for the story, I never said I wanted socialized medicine just reasonable priced healthcare.  What you said does not jive with what I read on my RV forum from travelers or what I have hear from people from Canada who trail ride and spend the winter in FL.  I met a few in Feb when we camped and rode for 2 weeks.  Keep in mind most of these people are older so probably don't need emergency stuff.

 



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I see Governor Gavin Newsome is is taking some bold innovative new steps to curb the Chinese Coronavirus.  Maybe the rest of the Blue states will follow his lead. Hopefully neighbors will do their patriotic duty and turn in these evil families for disobeying his orders designed to save lives.



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Bear - 2020-11-12 7:33 PM


I see Governor Gavin Newsome is is taking some bold innovative new steps to curb the Chinese Coronavirus.  Maybe the rest of the Blue states will follow his lead. Hopefully neighbors will do their patriotic duty and turn in these evil families for disobeying his orders designed to save lives.


and they call trump a a hitler type shees

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Palopony - 2020-11-12 2:31 PM


By all means lets make this all about me.  Then you can ignore that people are dying and getting infected at an alarming rate.


You sound a lot like the President, lets just name call and gang up on instead of figuring out how to solve a problem.


 


Hey Frodo..... Just how bad are immigrants in KS?  You aren't even a border state and you sure have issues with them.


Do you care to explain?  Did someone call me a racist?  Typical term for you guys.


No one called you a racist on this thread....I'm curious where on earth you got THAT?

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Bear - 2020-11-12 7:33 PM


I see Governor Gavin Newsome is is taking some bold innovative new steps to curb the Chinese Coronavirus.  Maybe the rest of the Blue states will follow his lead. Hopefully neighbors will do their patriotic duty and turn in these evil families for disobeying his orders designed to save lives.



and they call trump a a hitler type shees


Nope I'm not gone.  I was just wondering what your purpose was of poking fun at at a govenor for trying to do something.  After all Trump left it up to the states.  Didn't he?  You know it's hopeless since half the people won't listen anyway.

Let's compare   CA has 39.5 million people and 18,142 people have died.    I do believe it hit there before TX

                          TX has 29 million people and   19,730 have died.

CA does have 2x as many active cases as TX, yet most days TX has more people passing.

I guess we will just wait and see how it all works out.  I was just shocked a medical person whould make fun of this.

Also where is the President or the task force?  I thought this was all going to go away after the election.

You all made fun of Biden in the basement. 

 

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Well ..... I certainly hope it is "no big deal" (Sorry Roxie but I couldn't resist....LOL) My number 1 son has tested positive for the Covid virus. What is a bummer is that, in the past 6 months, he has traveled all over the U.S. as President of the Combat Veteran's Motorcycle Assn. and never caught it ..... home for a month and catches it in Cheyenne .......

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NJJ - 2020-11-13 12:56 PM


Well ..... I certainly hope it is "no big deal" (Sorry Roxie but I couldn't resist....LOL) My number 1 son has tested positive for the Covid virus. What is a bummer is that, in the past 6 months, he has traveled all over the U.S. as President of the Combat Veteran's Motorcycle Assn. and never caught it ..... home for a month and catches it in Cheyenne .......


That is a bummer!  How is he doing?  Is this Matt?

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LPalopony - 2020-11-13 11:34 AM


vjls - 2020-11-13 10:20 AM


Bear - 2020-11-12 7:33 PM


I see Governor Gavin Newsome is is taking some bold innovative new steps to curb the Chinese Coronavirus.  Maybe the rest of the Blue states will follow his lead. Hopefully neighbors will do their patriotic duty and turn in these evil families for disobeying his orders designed to save lives.



and they call trump a a hitler type shees



Nope I'm not gone.  I was just wondering what your purpose was of poking fun at at a govenor for trying to do something.  After all Trump left it up to the states.  Didn't he?  You know it's hopeless since half the people won't listen anyway.


Let's compare   CA has 39.5 million people and 18,142 people have died.    I do believe it hit there before TX


                          TX has 29 million people and   19,730 have died.


CA does have 2x as many active cases as TX, yet most days TX has more people passing.


I guess we will just wait and see how it all works out.  I was just shocked a medical person whould make fun of this.


Also where is the President or the task force?  I thought this was all going to go away after the election.


You all made fun of Biden in the basement. 


 


Trump actually left the majority of the handling of the pandemic up to the states.  You are correct.  He trusted the judgement of the state governments and left most of the decisions up to them.  He did not feel a "one size fits all approach" was necessarily the best.  He recognized there are big differences between many states.  What was deemed necessary for Cuomo and DeBlasio and New York was not something that would work for South Dakota.  Trump did do big things for the states.  Go back to what Newsome said about his responsiveness when California needed help.  Go back to what even Cuomo said about him when the army built a 2500 bed hospital, sent ventilators, and sent the hospital ship in record time. In my opinion, our government response was pretty remarkable, overall.  Trump respected the 10th amendment.  
In the case of Newsome's "guidelines", it's ridiculous, but hey you go ahead and follow his rules.  Most importantly, be sure you don't sing or chant.....unless you are engaged in a "peaceful protest".  Then that's OK.  If you don't "regularly sanitize" your loo, you are in big trouble.  I think this whole notion of shutting down Thanksgiving is intended to be incendiary.  It was good for a few laughs though. 

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Bear - 2020-11-13 1:18 PM


NJJ - 2020-11-13 12:56 PM


Well ..... I certainly hope it is "no big deal" (Sorry Roxie but I couldn't resist....LOL) My number 1 son has tested positive for the Covid virus. What is a bummer is that, in the past 6 months, he has traveled all over the U.S. as President of the Combat Veteran's Motorcycle Assn. and never caught it ..... home for a month and catches it in Cheyenne .......



That is a bummer!  How is he doing?  Is this Matt?


Yes, it is Matt ...... he started out last week with flu like aches, headache, etc.....he self quarantined and got his test back from the VA that showed positive on the 11th. Today, he says that he is having severe stomach issues but is sleeping a lot. Hopefully, that will be the worst of it.

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NJJ - 2020-11-13 12:56 PM


Well ..... I certainly hope it is "no big deal" (Sorry Roxie but I couldn't resist....LOL) My number 1 son has tested positive for the Covid virus. What is a bummer is that, in the past 6 months, he has traveled all over the U.S. as President of the Combat Veteran's Motorcycle Assn. and never caught it ..... home for a month and catches it in Cheyenne .......


Oh ha ha ha ha ha, you so funny Norma , still love ya... 

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NJJ - 2020-11-13 2:38 PM


Bear - 2020-11-13 1:18 PM


NJJ - 2020-11-13 12:56 PM


Well ..... I certainly hope it is "no big deal" (Sorry Roxie but I couldn't resist....LOL) My number 1 son has tested positive for the Covid virus. What is a bummer is that, in the past 6 months, he has traveled all over the U.S. as President of the Combat Veteran's Motorcycle Assn. and never caught it ..... home for a month and catches it in Cheyenne .......



That is a bummer!  How is he doing?  Is this Matt?



Yes, it is Matt ...... he started out last week with flu like aches, headache, etc.....he self quarantined and got his test back from the VA that showed positive on the 11th. Today, he says that he is having severe stomach issues but is sleeping a lot. Hopefully, that will be the worst of it.


I like Matt.  Good man.  You did well with him.  Must be something to do with the bread and pumpkin bars and chicken 'n dumplings.

Seriously, though, he should do fine.  Make him take his zinc and vitamins, especially C and D.  Those GI symptoms are miserable. 

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NJJ - 2020-11-13 2:38 PM


Bear - 2020-11-13 1:18 PM


NJJ - 2020-11-13 12:56 PM


Well ..... I certainly hope it is "no big deal" (Sorry Roxie but I couldn't resist....LOL) My number 1 son has tested positive for the Covid virus. What is a bummer is that, in the past 6 months, he has traveled all over the U.S. as President of the Combat Veteran's Motorcycle Assn. and never caught it ..... home for a month and catches it in Cheyenne .......



That is a bummer!  How is he doing?  Is this Matt?



Yes, it is Matt ...... he started out last week with flu like aches, headache, etc.....he self quarantined and got his test back from the VA that showed positive on the 11th. Today, he says that he is having severe stomach issues but is sleeping a lot. Hopefully, that will be the worst of it.


Same thing with my Father in law, he was having stomach issues and he slept alot, he slept 24 hours straight a few times, my Mother in law she didnt have the headaches as much as she had the body aches, she was saying how sore she was for a few weeks that this was going on, they waited untill they were a least a week into it befor they had the test done for the covid, she thought they just had the flu, then my sister in law took them for the test when Andy called and told her how horrible they both sounded over the phone, she never knew they were sick, they didnt want to bother her so they were just going to ride it out since they both just had the FLU!! My Mother in law still says to this day it was only the flu, ( was the Covid )shes such a hoot.. But they drank lots of Pedialyte, they did get a bit dehydrated so their doctor told them to drink lots of the Pedialyte that has the Electrolyte.. My father in law was shocked that he did so much sleeping, but they are doing much better now.. 

I hope that Matt is doing OK today,, tell him that we are thinking about him. 

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Palopony - 2020-11-13 12:34 PM


vjls - 2020-11-13 10:20 AM


Bear - 2020-11-12 7:33 PM


I see Governor Gavin Newsome is is taking some bold innovative new steps to curb the Chinese Coronavirus.  Maybe the rest of the Blue states will follow his lead. Hopefully neighbors will do their patriotic duty and turn in these evil families for disobeying his orders designed to save lives.



and they call trump a a hitler type shees



Nope I'm not gone.  I was just wondering what your purpose was of poking fun at at a govenor for trying to do something.  After all Trump left it up to the states.  Didn't he?  You know it's hopeless since half the people won't listen anyway.


Let's compare   CA has 39.5 million people and 18,142 people have died.    I do believe it hit there before TX


                          TX has 29 million people and   19,730 have died.


CA does have 2x as many active cases as TX, yet most days TX has more people passing.


I guess we will just wait and see how it all works out.  I was just shocked a medical person whould make fun of this.


Also where is the President or the task force?  I thought this was all going to go away after the election.


You all made fun of Biden in the basement. 


 


its so stupid i would tell them in a heart to go f them selves

 

i am sick amnd tired of you winey b...  go cry in a mountain  get a life

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vjls - 2020-11-13 5:28 PM


Palopony - 2020-11-13 12:34 PM


vjls - 2020-11-13 10:20 AM


Bear - 2020-11-12 7:33 PM


I see Governor Gavin Newsome is is taking some bold innovative new steps to curb the Chinese Coronavirus.  Maybe the rest of the Blue states will follow his lead. Hopefully neighbors will do their patriotic duty and turn in these evil families for disobeying his orders designed to save lives.



and they call trump a a hitler type shees



Nope I'm not gone.  I was just wondering what your purpose was of poking fun at at a govenor for trying to do something.  After all Trump left it up to the states.  Didn't he?  You know it's hopeless since half the people won't listen anyway.


Let's compare   CA has 39.5 million people and 18,142 people have died.    I do believe it hit there before TX


                          TX has 29 million people and   19,730 have died.


CA does have 2x as many active cases as TX, yet most days TX has more people passing.


I guess we will just wait and see how it all works out.  I was just shocked a medical person whould make fun of this.


Also where is the President or the task force?  I thought this was all going to go away after the election.


You all made fun of Biden in the basement. 


 



its so stupid i would tell them in a heart to go f them selves


 


i am sick amnd tired of you winey b...  go cry in a mountain  get a life


Please tell me what I am whining about?  I am a very happy person.  I can't help it if many of you don't believe in science or math.

I find them both very interesting.

Why would I want to go cry on a mountain? 

It appears opinions that don't agree with the masses are not welcome here.  

NJJ  I sure hope your son has the just like the flu kind.  I will be saying prayers.

 

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Palopony - 2020-11-13 8:34 PM


vjls - 2020-11-13 5:28 PM


Palopony - 2020-11-13 12:34 PM


vjls - 2020-11-13 10:20 AM


Bear - 2020-11-12 7:33 PM


I see Governor Gavin Newsome is is taking some bold innovative new steps to curb the Chinese Coronavirus.  Maybe the rest of the Blue states will follow his lead. Hopefully neighbors will do their patriotic duty and turn in these evil families for disobeying his orders designed to save lives.



and they call trump a a hitler type shees



Nope I'm not gone.  I was just wondering what your purpose was of poking fun at at a govenor for trying to do something.  After all Trump left it up to the states.  Didn't he?  You know it's hopeless since half the people won't listen anyway.


Let's compare   CA has 39.5 million people and 18,142 people have died.    I do believe it hit there before TX


                          TX has 29 million people and   19,730 have died.


CA does have 2x as many active cases as TX, yet most days TX has more people passing.


I guess we will just wait and see how it all works out.  I was just shocked a medical person whould make fun of this.


Also where is the President or the task force?  I thought this was all going to go away after the election.


You all made fun of Biden in the basement. 


 



its so stupid i would tell them in a heart to go f them selves


 


i am sick amnd tired of you winey b...  go cry in a mountain  get a life



Please tell me what I am whining about?  I am a very happy person.  I can't help it if many of you don't believe in science or math.


I find them both very interesting.


Why would I want to go cry on a mountain? 


It appears opinions that don't agree with the masses are not welcome here.  


NJJ  I sure hope your son has the just like the flu kind.  I will be saying prayers.


 


Who, specifically, doesn't believe in science or math?

You said, "It appears opinions that don't agree with the masses are not welcome here."  That sounds like whining to me.  I welcome your opinion....in fact, I encourage your expression of your opinion.  Your opinions are an excellent teaching tool. 

Vjls thinks Newsome's ideas are stupid.  That's her opinion, and mine as well.  Obviously, unless you unleash some gestapo tactics, his policies are unenforceable. This is symbolism over substance.  This is almost as dumb as his executive order to require all cars sold in California to be "zero emission" by 2035.  In other words, all electric cars.  This in a state that can't supply adequate electricity for air conditioning in the heat of summer as it is.  Imagine adding millions of electric cars to the demands on the grid.  That's just insane.  

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you do not need to send me  instant messages  .   i am a ray of sunshine  no science never was but i am not a rocket scientist  or a math pro  but i balance check book have enough to pay bills know what 2 plus 2 is. andf if whiney is name calling  if the dang shoe fits wear otherwise go barerfoot

 

 



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I ONLY sent you an IM because the last IM you sent me said..........  YOU don't call anyone names.  You even suggested that I point out any time you called anyone names.  Well I decided to call you out on it, by message.  My screw up next time I will just do it right here.  I think your post says you do.  However I really don't mind being called a whiney B-----.  I used to raise dogs some of my best friends are b------.

Now since you are in FL and insist on not wearing a mask or following any restrictions.  I have a little tidbit of info for you.  FL is doing worse than Canada too.   Canada only had 4741 new cases and 60 deaths yesterday.  How did your state do?

I think the fact the the President held rallies and infected so many people was irresponsible and self centered.  FYI I think the protesters and parties in the street are terrible also.  Most of the restrictions should depend on where you live virus, & population.

You ride of die Trump supporters are kind of crazy and sure stick together.  Don't you have a rally to get to in DC?

FYI  I am a b----, and my Momma made me that way to stand up to bullies like some of you.

Doctor Bear I'm susprised your wife lets you spend so much time one here.

 

 

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I ONLY sent you an IM because the last IM you sent me said..........  YOU don't call anyone names.  You even suggested that I point out any time you called anyone names.  Well I decided to call you out on it, by message.  My screw up next time I will just do it right here.  I think your post says you do.  However I really don't mind being called a whiney B-----.  I used to raise dogs some of my best friends are b------.


Now since you are in FL and insist on not wearing a mask or following any restrictions.  I have a little tidbit of info for you.  FL is doing worse than Canada too.   Canada only had 4741 new cases and 60 deaths yesterday.  How did your state do?


I think the fact the the President held rallies and infected so many people was irresponsible and self centered.  FYI I think the protesters and parties in the street are terrible also.  Most of the restrictions should depend on where you live virus, & population.


You ride of die Trump supporters are kind of crazy and sure stick together.  Don't you have a rally to get to in DC?


FYI  I am a b----, and my Momma made me that way to stand up to bullies like some of you.


Doctor Bear I'm susprised your wife lets you spend so much time one here.


 


 


Wow,thats low,im disappointed at the pot shot to Bears wife on here,SHAME ON YOU,SHES NEVER EVEN COMMENTED ON THESE POSTS.

  Does your husband know how much you stir up on here?i doubt it.

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Posted 2020-11-14 10:25 AM
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I ONLY sent you an IM because the last IM you sent me said..........  YOU don't call anyone names.  You even suggested that I point out any time you called anyone names.  Well I decided to call you out on it, by message.  My screw up next time I will just do it right here.  I think your post says you do.  However I really don't mind being called a whiney B-----.  I used to raise dogs some of my best friends are b------.


Now since you are in FL and insist on not wearing a mask or following any restrictions.  I have a little tidbit of info for you.  FL is doing worse than Canada too.   Canada only had 4741 new cases and 60 deaths yesterday.  How did your state do?


I think the fact the the President held rallies and infected so many people was irresponsible and self centered.  FYI I think the protesters and parties in the street are terrible also.  Most of the restrictions should depend on where you live virus, & population.


You ride of die Trump supporters are kind of crazy and sure stick together.  Don't you have a rally to get to in DC?


FYI  I am a b----, and my Momma made me that way to stand up to bullies like some of you.


Doctor Bear I'm susprised your wife lets you spend so much time one here.


 


 


You may need deworming.

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Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2020-11-14 10:58 AM
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What's  a ride of die Trump supporter.     

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Posted 2020-11-14 11:12 AM
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Palopony - 2020-11-14 12:04 PM


Frodo - 2020-11-14 11:58 AM


What's  a ride of die Trump supporter.     



OR  excuse my typo.  The type of people in Washington, DC right now and loyal supporters of someone who insists on infecting as many people as possible.


 


 


As for you Jake16.  Yes my husband does know, I am tied to this computer because I run a business for him.  He darn sure knows I'm not on here searching for a husband.  I enjoyed it when his wife used to post and his girlfriend before that.


Oh my gosh.....so classy

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Posted 2020-11-14 11:37 AM
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Palopony - 2020-11-14 10:22 AM

I ONLY sent you an IM because the last IM you sent me said..........  YOU don't call anyone names.  You even suggested that I point out any time you called anyone names.  Well I decided to call you out on it, by message.  My screw up next time I will just do it right here.  I think your post says you do.  However I really don't mind being called a whiney B-----.  I used to raise dogs some of my best friends are b------.

Now since you are in FL and insist on not wearing a mask or following any restrictions.  I have a little tidbit of info for you.  FL is doing worse than Canada too.   Canada only had 4741 new cases and 60 deaths yesterday.  How did your state do?

I think the fact the the President held rallies and infected so many people was irresponsible and self centered.  FYI I think the protesters and parties in the street are terrible also.  Most of the restrictions should depend on where you live virus, & population.

You ride of die Trump supporters are kind of crazy and sure stick together.  Don't you have a rally to get to in DC?

FYI  I am a b----, and my Momma made me that way to stand up to bullies like some of you.

Doctor Bear I'm susprised your wife lets you spend so much time one here.

 

 

first off  whining is a emotion is action not a dang  name i never called you a b.

 

you do know  butt starts with b buggar starts  with b  bitc  starts wth b  i so i reckon you mentality of whay you would use intejected it  you assume i would

 

if you think you thats your problem  . i live in florida  where i live we have had 0 deaths  in my county 12 out of 1446 cases

 

so  i did not call you a name  jusy look in the mirror  that will fix it



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Posted 2020-11-14 11:49 AM
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vjls - 2020-11-13 5:28 PM


Palopony - 2020-11-13 12:34 PM


vjls - 2020-11-13 10:20 AM


Bear - 2020-11-12 7:33 PM


I see Governor Gavin Newsome is is taking some bold innovative new steps to curb the Chinese Coronavirus.  Maybe the rest of the Blue states will follow his lead. Hopefully neighbors will do their patriotic duty and turn in these evil families for disobeying his orders designed to save lives.



and they call trump a a hitler type shees



Nope I'm not gone.  I was just wondering what your purpose was of poking fun at at a govenor for trying to do something.  After all Trump left it up to the states.  Didn't he?  You know it's hopeless since half the people won't listen anyway.


Let's compare   CA has 39.5 million people and 18,142 people have died.    I do believe it hit there before TX


                          TX has 29 million people and   19,730 have died.


CA does have 2x as many active cases as TX, yet most days TX has more people passing.


I guess we will just wait and see how it all works out.  I was just shocked a medical person whould make fun of this.


Also where is the President or the task force?  I thought this was all going to go away after the election.


You all made fun of Biden in the basement. 


 



its so stupid i would tell them in a heart to go f them selves


 


i am sick amnd tired of you winey b...  go cry in a mountain  get a life


Well since you quoted my post I just assumed that last line was for me.  So who are you sick and tired of?  Who needs to go cry on a mountain?

I just figured you were directing that at me since you quoted me.

Now we do have an area we agree on.  I'm all for sterilization if you don't pay for the kids you have.  Heck I'm even for castration in some cases especially child abuse.

Really glad you live in a county that hasn't been hit hard, I sure hope it stays that way.

You have a great day, I try to stay away from mirrors, a lady that looks like my Mom is there.

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Turnburnsis
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2020-11-16 7:35 AM
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Ive been gone a few days from here and see I missed some stuff!

This is coming from someone who just works, ride/take care of horses and trying to make ea day great.  Not into politics til this year! bc there so much more at stake! and just realizing how putting head in the sand is was the wrong thing to do bc where we are at in this day and time has been in the making before I was even born!  It will come to one world order! It just when.

as far as Presidents goes we dont know them personally.  All we can go by is how they vote and what they say in public.

What is crazy is how we can hear the same thing but not preceive it the same!

They have actually said this: Biden/harris has said they are going to shut us down and 1/2 our paychecks will be taken for healthcare(whatever reason they want to say)  I dont use my insurance bc I dont need to.  I have used it before and so blessed to have in case I do need to use it.  I dont want to pay for something I may never use or need! I want it to be my choice.  If they take a working person 1/2 check it will crush who is living check to check!  and I gurantee the ones who living check to check most are not paying for insurance anyways it to pay bills to keep their family fed and lights on.  Granted Im not talking bout ones dont know how to manage money. 

No secret the Government wants to do away with our horse world.  What will happen if rodeo and the other events are done away with???  the old days horses was used to work, but now our culture changed they have a different reason and yes it for hobby or lifestyle or a way of living but just a different way.  What will happen to them? when people cant take care of them...

Mask:

I have several friends that is nurses, surgerical nurse, and a pharmacists.  They are saying the masks are not protesting us.  and it says on the box too!  I would be all for the mask if it was truely protecting us!

the mandates makes no sense.  No matter who you are for, no matter if you are for the masks there is no common sense in the rules!  It only takes one person, one surface to get the virus!  Doesnt matter if you are around one person or ten or 1000.  and the bursiness that had to shutdown but not all....

money... at my job if one person gets covid or test positive they are sent home without pay and have to use their pto.  if they dont hae enough pto they can file for unemployment...that doesnt happen fast! now the people they supposedly exposed gets to go home with pay and doesnt have to use PTO.  So how many people with be honest when it effects the pocetbook! 

and how do you know that that person got it from the breakroom! REALLY??? (the girl that got tested positive, company only sent people home who had  breaks with her even with their masks on but what bout the other workers in the working room that worked with her) makes no sense.  And what is really something is that She was sick and tested positive, her son tested positive and was sick, but her SO and other son was negative and never got sick. and they was in a car all the way from OK to Tx. and live together.  they quarantine together they did not separate the sick from the not sick in their house tho they did stay home the 14 days. and the other 2 still didnt get sick.  So It daoesnt matter if you are around someone with covid bc you may or may not get it.  Its the same with the flu.  I think thats why people comapre it to the flu not that its the same as the flu but bc you can get the flu the same way.  Some people die from the flu and some dont  the same with this virus  Some will die and some wont.  Some will die in car wreck some wont.  YOU CANT QUT LIVING JUST BE CAREFUL AS WE SHOULD ALWAYS BE EVEN BEFORE THE VIRUS!!!

Just like EPM we cant control it! If we could we wouldnt see all these EPM cases like we do! You have to do the best you can. 

Before the virus I stayed away from people who I knew was sick.  and I dont want the virus and If I know they are sick I will stay my distance.  But its not going to stop me from living.  and its not going to stop me from hugging someone, 

It should be my choice if my spouse, famiy, or friends, or even a stranger that has it, that I choose if I want to be by their side in their time of need!!!! If I die from it was a risk that I was willing to take so someone wouldn't be sooo alone!!!! I want to be there for my husband if he was to get it and in the hospital and they say he not going to make it  Covid or not 

God created us to be workers and not sit idle! and I dont want the government to tell me I have to stay home and not work and they give me money.... the government can only rob from Peter to Pay Paul for so long! Nothing is free!!!

 

 

 

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Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2020-11-16 4:17 PM
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Mecon
Reg. May 2017
Posted 2020-11-25 1:00 PM
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A voice of reason. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.  Wearing a mask is an intelligence test, pure and simple.  Attempting to twist this issue into anything else is first of all idiocy, second of all morally despicable. 

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Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2020-11-25 1:28 PM
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Mecon - 2020-11-25 1:00 PM


A voice of reason. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.  Wearing a mask is an intelligence test, pure and simple.  Attempting to twist this issue into anything else is first of all idiocy, second of all morally despicable. 


hey you moron, who are you talking to, seems like you are talking to your self once AGAIN!!!! You seem to do that quite offten on here.. 

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Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2020-11-25 2:22 PM
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Mecon - 2020-11-25 1:00 PM


A voice of reason. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.  Wearing a mask is an intelligence test, pure and simple.  Attempting to twist this issue into anything else is first of all idiocy, second of all morally despicable. 


As usual you again come on here with your hate filled C*** Have even looked at the science behide the mask deate? No offcourse not. you are like most on your side just sheep following idoits over the cliff. 

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Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2020-11-25 6:08 PM
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jbhoot - 2020-11-25 2:22 PM


Mecon - 2020-11-25 1:00 PM


A voice of reason. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.  Wearing a mask is an intelligence test, pure and simple.  Attempting to twist this issue into anything else is first of all idiocy, second of all morally despicable. 



As usual you again come on here with your hate filled C*** Have even looked at the science behide the mask deate? No offcourse not. you are like most on your side just sheep following idoits over the cliff. 


Isn't Mecon one who accuses others on here of calling names and yet.....

Calls those who do not agree with her stance morons on multiple threads here? 

Ever hear of the pot calling the kettle black, Mecon?

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Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2020-11-25 6:50 PM
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MOGirl07 - 2020-11-25 6:08 PM

jbhoot - 2020-11-25 2:22 PM

Mecon - 2020-11-25 1:00 PM

A voice of reason. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.  Wearing a mask is an intelligence test, pure and simple.  Attempting to twist this issue into anything else is first of all idiocy, second of all morally despicable. 

As usual you again come on here with your hate filled C*** Have even looked at the science behide the mask deate? No offcourse not. you are like most on your side just sheep following idoits over the cliff. 

Isn't Mecon one who accuses others on here of calling names and yet.....

Calls those who do not agree with her stance morons on multiple threads here? 

Ever hear of the pot calling the kettle black, Mecon?

yes thats what Mecon does best, shoots off that mouth it has then runs and hides, so the names that it calls us on here will go right back at it. Such a Moron!!! Hummm come to think about it, Moron and Mecon really gos together really nicely.. So maybe thats where IT came up with the name mecon got it from moron...



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Mecon - 2020-11-25 1:00 PM


A voice of reason. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.  Wearing a mask is an intelligence test, pure and simple.  Attempting to twist this issue into anything else is first of all idiocy, second of all morally despicable. 



As usual you again come on here with your hate filled C*** Have even looked at the science behide the mask deate? No offcourse not. you are like most on your side just sheep following idoits over the cliff. 



Isn't Mecon one who accuses others on here of calling names and yet.....


Calls those who do not agree with her stance morons on multiple threads here? 


Ever hear of the pot calling the kettle black, Mecon?



yes thats what Mecon does best, shoots off that mouth it has then runs and hides, so the names that it calls us on here will go right back at it. Such a Moron!!! Hummm come to think about it, Moron and Mecon really gos together really nicely.. So maybe thats where IT came up with the name mecon got it from moron...


Lol SouthTx....you said it, but I thought it too.

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Posted 2020-12-02 11:36 PM
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Dirt Dobber
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I don't wear a mask.  There I said it so I am stupid or am I?  I am high risk with getting on in age, asthmatic and heart disease.  Ten minutes breathing in my own diseased air gives me a ranging headache and hours after wearing a mask for any length of time has me pulling out my emergency inhaler.  I never know if the inhaler is going to calm the attack or make it worse, if it is going to shoot my BP further through the roof or trigger a bout of SVT.  Imagine laying on a cold emergency room bed while you sign a document saying you will not hold anyone liable from the possible death of the Adenosine administration in the effort to restore a normal heart rate in an effort to save your life.  You have no family there, people are standing around you with paddles in hand and the minute that drug hits your bloodstream you feel like a truck has been dropped on your chest. It's like an overly dramatic written scene from ER but real. The irony, you also literally just put yourself in a hot bed enviroment of Covid.

One size does not fit all and labeling a blanket stupid and throwing it over all those that do not wear a mask further shows a persons ignorance of the subject matter.  This is another reason I so agree with 1Dsoon that government needs to be out of the health care business.  Their once size fits all approach to health care doesn't work for all.

I still actively live and can be responsible without putting others at risk or myself.  The virus is real and out there but the hysterics and politics of this virus has taken all logical reasoning from so many.  Every one has an opinion and is entitled to it but some choose to get nasty and holier than thou with those opinions.  For that reason I avoid these threads until I get triggered by something that hits home.  For the judgemental mask wearers, instead of giving someone the stink eye without a mask while standing in line at the grocery store, stop and think, are other Covid protocols in place with this person.  Did the fact that I just pulled down my mask and scratch my nose then pull my mask back up deserve the stink eye.  I am not hysterically against mask and when Covid first hit I worked with a group for months to get mask to those in the health care field including other essentials workers until the supplies caught up.  So if you give me the stink eye in the checkout line without knowing my circumstances,  I am going to give you the NY state bird.  Mecon got theirs when I read his/her post.

 

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