we stop all covid testing....  the ones at the drive ups... the temp checks at the door....ect.  How do you see that playing out.

I don't see that happening.  But I would imagine it would continue to spread quite rapidly.

The very wealthy Elon Musk had four of them in one day.  Two were positive and two were negative.   Go figure.

Whats the differance. Knowing if you have it or not does nothing in controling it. I don't see any country controling it as of now. lock downs have not worked masks only seem to control the spread the flu not covid. . Until a vacine that works is used I don't see any end to this. only in man's ego does he think he can control mother nature not going to happen.

no way i believe they got a vacinine out this early any good but then i don/t do the flue either

The docs say the shot really hurts and leaves you feeling pretty bad for at least 24 hours.  You have to take two.  Something to look forward to but still better than a ventilator.

What happens if we stop testing??   The MSM will still drum up BS stories to feed the news hawks.  

A virus is still a virus.  Lots of people will get them.  Some of them will die.  Most of them will survive.  Doesn't matter which virus it is! 

Whoever is making millions on the Covid stuff will probably lose money.  I don't care because it's not me. 

more testing = more positive numbers. 

If they quit testing - or at least drastically scale it back-maybe we could get back to some sense of normalcy. 

Same as with any virus, if you're an at risk individual take precautions. 

We would stop the media fueled panic.  I've personally had covid, I'm disappointed that I didn't turn into a zombie or something equally as cool.  I don't think we would notice anything different than the normal sesonal cold where a small percentage of the population get very sick.  The tests to 'detect' the virus have a large error rate, along with the very large paragraph out lining that fact along with it's for "public health monitoring only" etc etc.  The "regular" corona virus will trigger a positive "19" test.   I'm weary of the individuals that are allowing the propaganda machine to instil fear in them.... Just a friendly reminder.... YOU CAN NOT SPREAD A DISEASE YOU DON'T HAVE!!!!!!   The common cold aka corona has been mutating every year... the same as influeza mutates every single year.  So why we are panicking over a cold virus .... ugh, anyway.  Unless someone comes up with a way to get covid out of the Environment then the reality is that........  Covid is here, we have learn to live with it, again - it's in the enviroment therefore no amount of virtue signaling, fear, panic, or government mandates will make it go away.  

Sidenote..... based on PERSONAL experience covid is not near as contagious as the media is trying to play on.    I was in direct contact with over 30 people the day that I was "tested" (didn't result for two days)  The number of people that tested positive as a result of Me...... ZERO!

Just like you can't stop stupid - you can't force intelligence!  If you are sick get tested, if not why are you worried? Covid is real, the test is a joke.

My state is locking back down on Friday, not supposed to leave your house unless you're an essential worker or to get supplies. Oh yay, so excited....I think I'd rather have Covid 

Unfortunately I think Utah is headed the same way. Our lovely governor put a statewide mask mandate into effect last Monday, for 2 weeks, but wants to increase testing of young people. 

My prediction, they'll test a bunch of young adults, college age, then yell and scream that the numbers are up, and we can't have thanksgiving, schools need to close and no more sports. 

Oh but a few high schools could play their championship football game last weekend but other sports had to end. . . 

Really? Why doesn't more testing also provide more negative numbers?

I never understood trump math on thios. But I'm not a trumper so I can think for myself. It's only a "democratic hoax anyway. One the democrats got the whole world in on. Pretty impressive by those democrats if true. "It will be gone with warm weather". Probaly true since they didn't say what year. "We're turning the corner on it now". Again true, it certainly turned worse after pumpkinhead said that. But the implication was it was going to get better, not worse. And of course the big lie, "it will be gone after the election". But once again, which election wasn't clarified. 

I still can't see how the testers are picking only the positive cases to shew the numbers. But trump math is only understood by the sheeple. Even when he denies saying it they then fall in line with, yeah, he didn't say what he said yesterday.

Back to the original topic, someone please explain how more testing only shews the positive numbers?

Or is that like this election is invalid? So OK, Lindsey Graham and ***** MCConnel didn't get re-elected either. Unless it's more trump math? The valid elections are the ones we agree with?

bingo

pretty much everyone in my famdamily has had it. 

Sick for a day or two and then back to normal stacking bills and being awesome . 

Hey look Richard Head is back ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!

...while a gang of Democrat lawmakers are all piling on a plane to go to Hawaii for a "meeting" at an exclusive resort $600 a night rooms.

You missed the part where a possible hundreds of thousands of votes came in in the middle of the night in multiple states with "only" the Presidential slot marked.  The rest were left unmarked in the interest of time.  Unverified signatures, no postmarks. at least 21 thousand dead folks voted.......tons of harvested ballots that never should have been out there.

Nancy Pelosi:  No matter what the end count is, Joe Biden will be president.  Not a myth.  I saw this soundbite.  

I never said the testers were only picking positive tests. . 

We're testing every Tom, Dick and Harry that wants to sit in line, Governors are pushing more testing, even people who aren't sick. 

Of course we're going to have more positive cases, how many people have mild symptoms and run to get tested, or like good little sheep want to know if they are asymptomatic??

My sister had Covid, she wanted to make sure she had a negative test before going back to work. She tested negative, no symptoms, feels 100%. The health department told her she could test positive up to 90 days. So how accurate is her positive test?  You know that went toward the number count for the day. . . 

For hell sakes, eventually we're all going to have it, or have had it. We need to learn how to live with it, same as any other virus. The vaccine will help but it's not going to magically go away with a vaccinne. 

On another note I am a Trumper but I promise you I can think for myself!

Let me explain something to you.  Hopefully you'll comprehend.  If you need references, including those from your beloved MSM, just ask and I'll provide them to you.  

1.) Right now we are approaching 12 M "cases" in the US.  The reason I use quotes is because for the first time in history "cases" is used to imply people with illness.  We know why.  Because people are gullible.  In the past, cases of infectious diseases such as measles and influenza were people who were actually ill with disease.  Not so with Covid19.  These "cases" are numbers of people with positive covid19 tests, 80% of whom had no symptoms or minimal symptoms.  Half of those 80% were asymptomatic...not sick.  The other half had mild cold or flu symptoms.  Actually the percent of people who had Covid19 with symptoms is much much less.  I'll explain.

2.) According to the CDC, the number of Covid "cases" actually reflects, at the most, 10% of the real incidence of people who have had the virus in the past 9-10 months. This was determined on the basis of antibody testing.  So, in other words, at a minimum, 120 million people have had the Covid19 virus.  That number could actually be more than twice that amount of 240 million, because they said the number could possibly be more than 20X the reported figure. Suffice it to say, at least over 1/3rd of the entire population has had the virus.  Widespread mask use won't stop the spread of the virus.  Now I still wear one because it MIGHT protect someone vulnerable with whom I come in contact.  MIGHT.  It's not a huge sacrifice, as far as I'm concerned.  Shutdowns won't help.  Limiting Thanksgiving gatherings is senseless.

3.) Thanks to "operation warp speed" we are weeks away from a vaccine.  Time will tell if it is efficacious.  I will get one, but I'm at high risk and I believe in vaccines, in general.  Trump deserves credit for moving the process along.  He said we'd have a vaccine within a year.  It will be sooner than that.  If it is shown to hugely impact the lethality of Covid19 on the elderly, I'm going to remind you of this.....forever. 

4.) Yes, more testing = more "cases".  I just explained why.  If you still don't understand, I don't know where I can send you for some remedial cognitive therapy. 

5.) Covid19 was not a hoax.  The way the public has been informed IS a hoax.  Shame on science for allowing the MSM to insert the stench of politics into the public discussion. When will we learn that whenever politics is injected into science, it is the science that gets f*cked up....always.

More testing, when the results are wonky, CAN and does equal more positives.   There have been real reports, including the Head of an African nation (can't remember which one, but it was early on) who sent in Brand new test strips, that he actually sent in himself, that were not used on anyone, and they came back positive.   

So YOU tell me....when the head of a govt sends in personally witnessed strips that are unused, and gets a positive result....How are we supposed to truly beleive the results?  

Jane Fonda (barf):   Covid-19 is a "gift" to the Democratic party."

I'd hate to live inside your head.  It must be miserable being pi$$ed off and full of hate all the time. 

Just read what he writes.  He loses his ability to spell when he gets agitated.....then he loses all semblance of logic and reason.  It's a common trait with servile liberal lemmings.  Read the remark about McConnell and Graham.  The left poured hundreds of millions to defeat them, and they crushed their opponents. 

More testing is not going to result in more negative numbers because the majority of people who get tested already have symptoms or a reason to believe that they could have it.  Healthy people are not getting tested unless they are required to get tested because of their jobs or other reasons.

All I have to say on this subject is I'm going to listen to MY OWN DR who I trust with my life not a bunch of people on a barrel forum. 

What does your doctor advise abut Covid.  Always ready to hear good input.   

I am 64 and husband 72. We have isolated and been very careful -- always wearing a mask when going to the grocery store,  feed store,  and using sanitzer, etc.  I have asthma.  Anyway, we think we had COVID a few weeks ago!  We both felt fatigued -- wanting to nap which we never do, had upset stomachs and felt a bit achy. We NEVER had a temperature or a cough.  We have been discussing asking our doctor for an antibody test to determine if we had it or not.  We are very curious if our 'episodes' were COVID -- as a rule, we are overall healthy, cannot recall the last time either of us had a cold.  We are totally up-to-date on all vaccines that folks our age should receive and have always received a flu vaccine. We both have also had penumonia vaccine (me, twice!); husband scheduled for second week after next.  Personally, I think most everyone will end up getting it regardless of what we do with masks and lockdowns.  If we have had it, we are at a loss as to where we were exposed..... don't know how it could ever be traced. 

I have not seen any advice being given, just a good ole discussion about covid on here, just saying

I never said anyone was giving advice, All I was saying is I'd rather listen to my dr. I have seen lots of advice regarding covid. Didn't mean to start anything. Have a great evening 

So this is just a nice discussion on Covid.Seems more like a JD/EZ bashing to me.  You all are so nice.

Let me ask..... If the tests are so wonky and awful.  What make you think the vaccine will be so great?

To answer the question....... If we quit testing anyone who has a mild case will be sitting next to you.  They could be your dentist, food prep worker, teacher or just anyone.  I personally don't think it would make much difference, since it appears we are all on our own anyway. 

Now since many hospitals are at capacity, I hear they are even letting positive healthcare workers work in SD or ND since they have so few nurses.  To quit testing would only make the situation worse.  Heck 1/2 the people still think it's a hoax or just a mild flu everyone will get  anyway.  

I believe the attitude on this board is a big insult to healthcare workers everywhere.  Course not that many on here care if they insult anyone.  I know Dr Bear will come on and tell us how he works on the front line and it's all good.  However the nurses I talk to don't sound as optimistic as him.  I know there are many nurses on this board, I sure wish we would hear from them.  Seems to me they don't have much free time or they would post more.  

I also think the actions of the so called President are a national embarrassment, he couldn't stay off TV before the election and now he's in hiding.  You all need to face fact he was more into Rallies than being President.  He shows you everyday.

I truly can't believe the lack of compassion on this board, it didn't used to be like this.  There are so many people struggling right now either because of lack of work, health issues, medical bills if they live and funeral costs and the loss of a loved one.  Yet all you all can do is act like the President, he has taught you all well.  I do think someone commented on me saying my wealthy friends were more self centered.  That may not be true I have some really poor Trump supporting friends, that are self centered too.  I guess wealth doesn't have as much to do with it as political party.

I also wonder how crazy you have to be to get fired by Rudy.

Here you go some fresh meat for a Monday morning. 

You cant quit living!

I had an aunt that passed away from covid and she had other issues.  My uncle her husband very sick with covid and they got at same time. He is recovering.   I personally know a pharmacist, a couple nurses, and physical thereapist and they say hospitals not full, and yes they have some covid cases. and they say its been blown out of proportion.  and I'm sure has to do with location.

I had a co worker that had covid actually more than one but only one co worker that was sick from covid and four people in her household and in a car over 6 hours all together and only 2 of them was sick and tested positive covid the other 2 did not. 

Another family members in same household had covid and tested positive    2 of them got it (30 year olds) but the kids did not  kids under 12 yrs. old and the kids have severe asthma. and is sick every year! but they didnt get covid and they was exposed and they tested negative. 

All the people Im talking bout did qurantine after they found out they had.

it is contagious just like any other contagious virus.  Some will get it and some wont   

They say it has to do with immune why didnt the kids with severe asthma and every year gets strep and flu get covid???

We dont have all the answers and you dont know what to believe bc political has agenda. they are paying for positives or was paying for positives and handing out money before we was really shutdown!

If money wasnt involved and masks truly did protect we would have been wearing masks during the flu season already!

Fear is over riding common sense!

and the media is out of control that you can really only go by your own personal experience and trust the people in your circle.

Hospital rules of not letting anyone in hospital room with a love one was way over the top! I cant imagine not being with my husband in his last days  I dont care what he has and if you told me I would die within a couple hours if I was to be with him I would still be with him!  I understand not letting extended family or friends but everyone deserves that one person if that one person wants to be there! and the kids how scared they must have been! I cant imagine as a parent of a 1 year old getting life flighted by herself! and they didnt let mom in hospital with baby!  Thank God she survived and didnt have covid! was just respiratory sick! but how tramatic for mom! and baby!  Im sure there more stories like this! 

And now after these months has passed, a coworker son needed wisdom tooth pulled and she has to wait in parking lot while son get tooth pulled! Really if they had covid and covid supposed to live on things too but worker can bring paperwork to car and get child  you dont think covid be on the pen or paperwork or child??? makes no sense! so we going to tramatize child that already scared bout tooth being pulled and without his mom???

No matter if you for Trump or Biden....None of this makes sense....

I am one of the ones that dont wear masks unless I absolutely have to which is at work.  But I stay my distance from those that fear, and I would qurantine if I knew I was exposed or tested positive.  Am I going to get tested if sick nooooo but I would stay away from everyone just like I did before the virus hit!   if I lost taste and smell I would maybe test depending how sick I was....

Lets just say everyone stayed home in their house.  How long and how would the virus go away???   None of the other viruses just disappear.

Annnd one of the saddest things that I am seeing is families are not getting together! A co worker said she is fixing the whole meal but putting in to go boxes and family coming to her door to get box....REALLY  sooo sad!

We cant waste everyday on fear!  You dont get time back!

This is all based on my experience...This is why I believe the way I do. But it doesnt mean that Im not responsible or think that covid not real.

Turnburnsis........ I just want to Thank You for the well thought out post.  It's not the first one I have seen from you.  I may not agree with it all but I sure appreciate the time, your opinion and the fact that you didn't insult anyone.

I agree the family seperation is awful.  However I am in a high risk catagory with some extended family in nursing and a grand daughter who works in a grocery store.  So I think our Thanksgiving will be a little different this year.  Thankfully we live close and they gave me a puppy to keep me busy, we really haven't decided on what to do yet.  They know we love them and we get to see them often from a safe distance, none of us want to spend Christmas sick or in a hospital.

I really just wanted to thank you for the nice thought out post.  Have a great day.

You seem to be inclined to assume a lot about me and what I'm saying.  Shame on you. Go back on this thread and specifically point out where you disagree with what I said and why. A few months back everyone on the left was squealing that we couldn't open back up again until we had a vaccine.  That was going to be our only hope, according to the left.  Well, this administration knocked down needless barriers to an expeditious development of a safe, effective vaccine.  The result was a vaccine that will be available first to those at highest risk of Covid19 within a couple weeks, and readily available to everyone within a few months. We have never developed an effective vaccine this rapidly to a new ("novel") virus.......not even remotely close.  This administration deserves credit for this.  Being a leftist, I honestly think you are thankful that Covid19 emerged out of China because it provided the key to defeating Trump.  You seem to have selective outrage over Trump's rallies being "super spreader events", yet you never condemned millions of loony leftists pouring into the streets of densely populated urban areas to riot, burn, murder, and loot, all the while ignoring social distancing guidelines.  The victory celebrations in the streets after the elections were similarly granted a pass.  You seem to selectively ignore the many instances of hypocrisy and double standards on display by prominent leftists, like Chris Cuomo, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Lori Lightfoot, Gretchen Whitmer, and Gavin Newsome when they themselves brazenly failed to display social distancing guidelines.  The fact of the matter is that we have pretty much maximized mask usage in this country.  Further drastic lockdowns will wind up creating more death and misery than the virus itself.  The extreme left wants to break this country down and re-create it to their liking.  They act as though they are saddened and shocked by the sickness, misery, and death, but I think they celebrate it and value it as a means to an end.  They will never openly admit it, but that's what I believe.  
I never said Covid19 was a hoax....but, in my opinion, the way the left wing media handled it was.

As for the election, if Biden assumes the office, he will do so with nearly half the country believing it was because of voting fraud and cheating.  We will all be watching Democrats flocking to Georgia in RV's and vans in an attempt to sway the special election.   That's a helluva way to "bring the country back together".  

I have one last question for you.  You and your innuendoes are just classic.  You said "I truly cannot believe the lack of compassion on this board..."  Really?  Who is showing a lack of compassion?  Are you afraid to point them out?  
You also said the "attitude on this board is an insult to healthcare workers everywhere".  How so?  Who is insulting them?  I'm a healthcare worker.  Even you don't insult me......you insult yourself.

Stop misrepresenting what I say.  

Thank you!  I have been in deep thought for quite awhile!!! lolol

By the way I do believe if someone is HIGH RISK they should be even more careful than me! But if I am healthy and my high risk family member is ok with it Im gonna hug them!

Yoo seem to have some selected reading issues also.  I have always called out the protesters along with the rally attendees.  From the very beginning.

You can also blame the media all you want, if not for them how much would be swept under the rug and replaced with right wing crazy talking points.

I think the difference in political parties is we call out our crazy.  Who do you think reported on Nancy going to the hair salon?  I'm less concerned about her hair than I am about the Perdue guy and the other lady doing their shady insider trading.  Also glad the media brought attention to both.

I do give him credit for speeding up the vaccine process.  I'm just not so sure how much I trust the process yet.  Since the tests are so faulty what makes you think the vaccine will be any better?  Since we don't have any info on the side effects, or long term side effects.  I'm not anti vaccine but I don't believe the drug companies have our best interest at heart.  IMO many of them seem to be more concerned with the $$$.

I read yesterday that some hospitals charge 1800% more that what the actual costs are.  And people wonder why healthcare and insurance is a joke.

ETA:  On lack of compassion....... well a few want to meet JD/EZ and I don't think it's to discuss how much they like his views.  Then there are those who think we should just go on like nothing is happening.  I remember when this board got a helicopter to rescure someone from Katrina and how helpful many were to those suffering through it.  Seems now no one is very helpful, many comments are snide and hateful even on the horse topics.  I'm pretty much tired of being called a loony leftist, and I'm tired of the right wing dictatorship and mob mentality.

You have no idea of anyones story but your own.  Quit telling me how the left is.  If any of you would listen more than you preach you might understand.  I don't see much empathy on this board either.  When I think of all the people who have been run off by the right thinking bunch it makes me sad.

Palopony, I added these questions for you on my last post:

I have one last question for you.  You and your innuendoes are just classic.  You said "I truly cannot believe the lack of compassion on this board..."  Really?  Who is showing a lack of compassion?  Are you afraid to point them out?  
You also said the "attitude on this board is an insult to healthcare workers everywhere".  How so?  Who is insulting them?  I'm a healthcare worker.  Even you don't insult me......you insult yourself.

I was taking the puppy out see above.

You dodged the questions, for the most part.  That's OK.  I knew you would.  
Do you think I lack compassion?  Do you think my attitude is an insult to healthcare workers? 

I didn't dodge the question...... Just what do you and 1dsoon plan to do to JD?  Sounds like some proud boy crap to me.

Person has a horse rearing in the alley.  How much help has she got?

Question on worming broodmares.  How many replies?

People are afraid to post because many come out of the woodwork to attack.

The question is are you the attacker or the person who isn't afraid to get called names and run off.

The decision is up to you.

FYI  If I post on a horse threads I have been told I know nothing, however I have owned and shown horses for years.  Won my first AQHA all around trophy in 1964 and showed against kids 18 and I was 7.  My parents also owned one of the first AQHA papered horses in our area and made their 2nd one and AQHA Champion.  Yet my opinion is worthless.

Well as usual this thread has devolved into a bunch of immature insults instead of constructive discussion.

Regardless of where your politics lie or if you think that covid 19 is the he equivalent of the flu, it is a FACT that hospitals across this country are overwhelmed with patients.  Pending vaccines are promising in the long tern, but they do not solve the current situation. In respect for medical personnel, as well as fellow Americans, I think everyone needs to just suck it up and sign on for any and all possible mitigation protocols.

you can mitigate your arse off, I celebrate your choice. 

But you are not telling me what to do. Now or ever 

Really??? Wow!!! It be different if there was concrete evidence on what really works! No one knows for sure!!! Bc there is agendas into play! If you took the agendas out...You have CDC saying you should do this and then they say no you should do this...

No one knows how to stop the spread! Just like no one knows how to stop the spread of any of the other viruses.

No one knows if the protocal is right or wrong. Its not been here long enough! and you saying to suck it up do you mean when the vaccine comes out we should just all take it bc that's the protocol... vaccine is going to kill some, make some sick, and wont do nothing to some...but bc its protocol we should all do it bc they said to do it.

No I wont suck it up and just do it bc government, cdc, whoever says you should do it just becasue

Gawd forbid anyone be told  what to do, or adopt any of the minimally inconvenient things that might just help to save a life.  Screw the medical providers and front line workers who put their lives on the line every day.  Their lives are in no way as important as "your freedom". For years the majority on this forum have paid lip service to the " sanctity of life".   That concern sure seems to disappear if it requires putting some personal action where their mouths are.

I hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving with all your friends and family.  I also hope Karma doesn't come to the party and make it a Christmas you will never forget.  It has a way of changing peoples minds.

I agree with SCWrangler you all are sure into telling other people what to do on things if it suits you.

So what is your opinion on the "sanctity of life"?  Do you see it as contradictory to condemn what sounds like hypocrisy while condoning abortion? Are you suggesting a moral equivalence between resisting shutdowns and premeditated extermination of a life?  
I wear a mask when appropriate. We are careful.  I think shutdowns are even more deadly than the status quo.  Point being a lot of this is debated back and forth. I disagree with your moral equivalence.....unless, of course, you are also opposed to infanticide.  If I'm mistaken then I apologize. 

^^^^ No Additional words needed .........

I will have a wonderful time. 

Probalby going to invite some homeless over as well for our "pox" party 

Me and most of mine have already had Rice Rabies and brushed it off like a cold. 

As stated before, you take care of you and I'll take care of me. 

You sure like to read in what fits your narrative.

I am simply stating  I find a lot of hypocracy in claiming to be all about the sancity of life and than turning around and getting your panties in a wad because someone suggests wearing a mask and social distancing.  I do not want to see this country shut down, but if people cannot get on board and follow the simplest of suggestions, no one will have to mandate a shut down.  The country and economy, the medical system will come to a grinding halt regardless. 

And for the record. I find all life precioue, be it the unborn or a ninety eight year old grandma.  

So we should do what you say.  How bout you do what what I say?

You believe in masks   I dont

You dont have proof that it works.  even the box says doesnt protect you against the virus!

Just because I dont believe in mask protecting against the virus doesnt mean I dont take precaution or have considerations for other people.  Or dont respect the healthcare workers or anyone dealing with virus!

And I dont disregard anyone or give them dirty looks because they wearing a mask but the looks I get! lol

What bout the soldiers that fought for our country to have the freedom to do as we believe in as long as we not breaking the law.  Wearing masks not law! its reccommendation.  Just like a flu shot recommendation but its my choice if I take it or not. 

It should be my choice if I follow the suggested protocol or not.  Just like its your choice if you follow the protocol or not.  I dont say to you Oh just suck it up and dont wear a mask! or dont follow protocol!

It isn't about the "China Virus", it's about warming the lemmings up for compliance...yes, your Leftist agenda.

Where exactly is this threat of jdez you speak of on THIS THREAD?This thread looks to me like everyone is stating their own opinions on the post,I dont really see any attacks,LOONEY DEMOCRATS JUST MAKE STUFF UPYou just keep writing the same thing over and over,I thought the people of Indiana could speak better than that.Oh,im sorry,MOST of the state is rebublican,NOT DOG FACE PONY DEMOCRATS,here,let me help your friends out,Ill go hit the laughing till you cry button

Let's not forget that covid 19 has cured the flu!! There are almost no flu cases!!

If that doesn't prove how much bs the covid response has been I don't know what would convince that person/s of why it upsets some of us to 'go along' with whatever whoever tells us to do. 

When have you ever been told that you know nothing on a horse thread, I read all the horse threads and never seen anyone say that "you know nothing", so I call all what you just said Bullsheets. You just look for something to complan about, I dont feel sorry for you one bit.. You always come on here to start cra* and you do a really good job of it, you are really good at insults so kudles to you , why cant you just come on here and just join in a normal discussion and leave all the insults at home, you always just twist every bodys opinons and normal talk around into something they didnt say, why is that?!!

Edited to add: The horse rearing in the alley, we need more information befor any body else can give their opinion on the rearing horse, the broodmare deworming, dont have a answer for that, whats your opinions? I dont ever see you giving opinons on the horse threads are any replys on any. You just come out of the woodwork to talk down to anyones opinions on the non horsey threads, Why do you think you are better then everyone else on here?

Turnburnsis, I am quoting just to add on with you...

In the heirarchy of controls mitigating risk of COVID, masks are at the bottom. They are the last defense. A N95 mask even in a hospital situation are only good for two hours. A huge portion of people don't even use them correctly or change them enough to keep from comprimising their own immune systems even if they do not have a pre-existing condition.

The most referenced study and one the CDC touts on for mask use is highly flawed and not peer reviewed. While the "study" was being conducted they instilled several other controls that are found to be much more effective in controlling spread but yet claimed masks were the reason for decreased cases. Yet it is the most quoted study advocating public mask use. I should add, obviously, this study was performed in a hospital system! How is the basis for mandating mask use in public?

Last week mainstream media showed up in our little town and broadcast across the nation that our hospital is close to capacity. You know what they didn't mention? Last spring in the first shutdown, you know the one that was to slow the spread to not overwhelm hospitals and give them time to prepare? Our health system supposedly let people go. They did not prepare for the flu season and now theyv'e been caught with their Richard in their hand. Oddly enough my best friend is a RN working in a surgical center, worked in ER for several years. When this first hit last spring, they cancelled elective surguries, put her on the list for phone triage and if it got bad she would be called to ER. She hasn't been called to do phone triage or ER yet this fall. My sister in law is also an RN and works in ER but in a different state supposedly hard hit according to the media, she has the week off for Thanksgiving.

I don't work in healthcare and I am not going to pretend as if I know what goes on but the above instances makes me raise an eyebrow. In the past I have worked in a few settings where I needed to be OSHA trained  for respirators and so has my husband. This mask mandate that keeps getting shoved down our throats supposedly for the "greater good" doesn't add up.

Having mask requirements at a city, county and state level, let alone nationally is an outright and blatant infringement of our Constitutional Rights.

" America has been conditioned to believe that freedom is selfishness." I agree.

(I wish I could remember who said that for credit)

Well, I am heartened to learn you are pro-life.  Here I thought you were being hypocritical.  Shame on me for assuming you are one of those who are pro-choice or pro-abortion.  I apologize.  
Here's what I think is going on.  I think people are fed up with being herded like sheep and being told what to do....under threat of penalty of law in many instances.  People are pis$ed off at being told by experts that we don't need masks.  In fact they were expressly told NOT to wear masks.  They were told by the media that the flu should be our main concern.  They were told they should get out and enjoy ourselves in places like NY and San Fran.  They were told that Trump's travel bans from China and Europe were an overreaction.  And yes, they were told Covid was going to go away.  They were told if we just shut everything down for 2 weeks, we could flatten the curve and our hospitals would be not be overwhelmed.  Then they said we needed another 4 weeks to flatten the curve.  They were told that Trump said he hoped Hydroxychloroquine would be a game changer.  They were then told the drug was no good and dangerous.  Then they kept hearing of large studies that claimed to show it was beneficial.  They watched as experts initially debated over this and then they saw that debate squelched by the media and social media.  They were told that the silver bullet would be the development of a vaccine.  They watched as the so-called experts claimed we didn't  have a prayer of a vaccine until late 2021: at the earliest, if ever.  They were told we didn't make things like testing a priority.  Then they are told the tests are no good.  Then we are told New York and LA were going to be overwhelmed by sick Covid patients, many of whom would die because of inadequate ventilators.  They see a government response that beat all expectations in terms of ramping up testing, making ventilators, and even creating hospitals with 1000-2000 bed capacity, two of which were converted hospital ships.  They were told of each new therapeutic that became available for Covid....Dexamethasone, Remdesivir, convalescent plasma, and now monoclonal antibody.  People watched as the contradictions and conflicting views by "experts" filled the news feeds.  People were told we were in another Great Depression after the GDP dropped by a staggering 30% within 4-5 months and the unemployment rate rose from 3.5% to 16% over the same time span....most of this due to the 6 week shutdown. Now people are seeing a growing rekindling of the calls for more shutdowns after our unemployment rate rebounded to 6% and our GDP regained what was lost a few months later.  People who support Trump are sick and tired of watching him work his ass off all year, and they are tired of being told the Covid pandemic and it's economic disaster was because of Trump.  Now we are hearing that three different vaccines have completed phase III trials, with very good results, with tens of millions of doses set to be distributed in a couple weeks.  Now people are being told by Democrat leaders to be wary of the vaccine because it was developed too quickly.  Yup, you read that right.  The president saw to it that needless delays could safely be eliminated.  Of course the television media, the print media, social media, and big tech worked in unison to sew the seeds of doubt about a vaccine.

So now we come full circle.  We are told we are ignorant and selfish because many don't have uniform confidence that the masks make a lot of difference. We are told that we need to prepare for more shutdowns.  People notice the lack of any sensible discussion of the actual lethal consequences of shutdowns in the media.  People are pis$ed off when they see their small family owned businesses being forcibly shut down, while the sweat shops at Amazon distribution centers, Target, and WalMart are allowed to continue business.  It's at this stage that people realize the ultra Uber rich oligarchs control the narrative.....and the people.  People are watching in horror at what Marxist liberal factions are destroying this country. 
To make matters worse, a huge percentage of the citizens believe that Joe Biden won a rigged election, and the prospects of total control of the executive and legislative branches of government will ultimately result in control of the judicial branch, either by packing the courts, granting statehood to Puerto Rico and DC, or both. They are terrified at what they are seeing, and the prospects of liberal, Marxist, progressive dingbats having control over them.

But hey, just shut up, put on your mask, forget Thanksgiving and Christmas, close down your shop, and wait for the "all clear".....all you selfish fools.  

That's what's happening.

Why should I bother. You all have a dr on board already. I just choose to listen to my own dr. Doesn't matter what he says. If I posted his info, it would just be picked apart. 

ok  question  for you math wizzzs

so    i may be wrong  been wrong before

United States

Total cases 12.4M +141K

Recovered -

Deaths 257K +843

diided by = 0.0207258    so if i am right.....

vjls - 2020-11-23 7:04 PM

ok  question  for you math wizzzs

so    i may be wrong  been wrong before

 

 

Cases overview

United States

Total cases 12.4M +141K

Recovered -

Deaths 257K +843

diided by = 0.0207258    so if i am right.....

I'm not following you, Vicky.  What are you asking?

sorry  we have 12.4 million cases  of which 257000 died  what is the % of deaths

i got and i am no math wiz  0.0207 %

i wonder what % is heath disease  obesity

Well, your numbers come out to 2.07%.  In other words, of those who test positive for Covid, 2% die.  That's not accurate, however, in my opinion, if we are to believe the CDC.  Last summer the CDC conducted antibody studies in several sample areas of the country.  They found that at least TEN times the number of reported Covid19 cases had antibodies to Covid19.  In other words, the number of people who have had Covid19 is at least TEN times the reported number of cases.  So, instead of 12.4 million "cases", if you accept the CDC's findings, then at least 124 million people have had the virus.  That's over 1/3rd of the entire US population.  If that is true, then the case fatality rate is 0.2%, rather than 2%.  If you are reasonably healthy and under 65, your risk of dying from Covid even if you contract the virus is very close to influenza.  For kids, the lethality of influenza is greater than Covid.
Are you following me?  

Lovkdowns force everyone indoors.  That's where the virus thrives.  We need to protect the vulnerable, not use the shotgun approach of locking everyone up with widespread shutdowns.  The virus is demonstrably ubiquitous....it's everywhere.

Just go to a 100 to 500 entry barrel race... Covid doesn't exist there.

My aunt died because she had a stroke a couple months before Covid. My 89 year old dad drove from South Texas to Ft Worth to stay for 2 weeks at a time. In the time he was there she would do her therapy and was slowly improving as long as she could see/talk to dad. When Covid restrictions hit my dad could no longer come to help her, he could only talk to her on the phone 2 TIMES A WEEK, maybe. You couldn't understand her on the phone and my dad has significant hearing loss so that it was very hard for them to communicate. She quit doing her therapy and within 3 months she passed away. Not being able to see her family played a a significant part in her passing. She never had Covid. 
A young man who had pneumonia that went undiagnosed until he couldn't breath and was finally admitted to the hospital. They kept testing him for Covid, but found out too late he had bacterial pneumonia. He died when all his organs shut down. What about all thevsuicides and mental health problems that have come about because of social isolation due to Covid? Are their lives/health less important?

So you can just stop with your "sanctity of life" crap. These are just two people I know who DID  die of Covid hysteria but not of Covid itself. There many more of these stories out there. 

Go to the CDC website and search for the  recovery rates. In ALL categories it is 94% or better. 

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