Since we dont talk enough about Covid.

What do you guys think about Operation Warp Speed, I dont know much about it since I have not listen to the news much these past fews weeks, been busy and to tell you all the truth just tired of this Covid and what its done to people and their livelihood, lost lives, lost business, lost the way of life. Now that Trump has done Operation Warp Speed and got things moving on the Vaccines, what are your thoughts, I am so greatful for Trump, I dont know what anybody else could have done different are even better then what Trump has done and is doing. Theres 2 companys making this vaccines, did I hear this right? 

Only one of the two companies took any money from the Congress "Warp Speed" approved fund ..... However, the U.S. government will BUY vaccine from Pfizer ....

"The U.S. government did not fund the Pfizer's research and development.  Pfizer chose to risk its own money on vaccine research and not take federal funding in order to avoid bureaucracy and politics, Pfizer’s CEO Albert Bourla said. He said its investment so far was at least $1.5 billion."

The AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine, which requires two doses, is priced at approximately $3 to $4, according to the Financial Times, citing supply deals agreed through to Oct. 7.

Pfizer and BioNTech are reportedly charging $20 per dose for its vaccine, significantly lower than Moderna.  Moderna is $37 per dose.

Plus the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine only requires regular refrigeration.

Thank you Norma, I knew that I heard that two different companys were making a vaccine, but just was not to sure. 

There are various timelines as to when it's available but supposedly by the middle of December frontline workers and the elderly (nursing homes) will be given priority as it should be.  Doctors admit it's  painful to administer and you feel awful for a day or so which I hate to hear for the frail elderly but what can you do.  By May or June the shot should be available for everyone and hopefully we can beat this menace.  

I imagine the painful arm to be like the Tetanus shot.  Like someone punched you and it takes a while to go away.

Is the COVID-19 vaccine going to be free?    I am not sure how many people will pay for it ....... Of course, some insurance companies will probably cover it.

Vaccine doses purchased with U.S. taxpayer dollars will be given to the American people at no cost. However, vaccination providers will be able to charge an administration fee for giving the shot to someone.  Nov 24, 2020

The Medicare payment rates will be $28.39 to administer single-dose vaccines. For a COVID-19 vaccine requiring a series of two or more doses, the initial dose(s) administration payment rate will be $16.94, and $28.39 for the administration of the final dose in the series.

This is really interesting, a friend was telling Andy about this, hes in the Army Corps on the medical side of things and travels all over the world and hes going to take the vaccine that only is one dose I think he was saying.

THere are 3 vaccines. Two are double dose and 1 is single. Supposedly free to the public. Saw on the news there is a 3 tier roll out. First is to healthcare workers and nursing homes. Second is to educators.students, essential front line workers, and last is everyone else. Since I am a teacher I was notified I could possibly receive mine by new year. We shall see. Our union is in negotiations because some teachers do NOT want the vaccine and don't want to be prevented from teaching should they refuse.  

Being a certified chicken I'd prefer the single dose.  Only half the misery is a draw for us cowards.

OHH!!! I didnt know that there is a 3rd one.. Wow everybody is really working hard.. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2020/10/20/researchers-warn-some-covid-19-vaccines-could-increase-risk-of-hiv-infection/?sh=5af6666f3740

Solid... PASS.

This is correct. Absolutely nothing is free.  Having said that, I'll gladly shell out $50 for a vaccine if it sounds safe and promising.  The various makers of the vaccine had to compete in order to be given consideration for federal funding.  The contracts and requirements were individually crafted and negotiated.  Pfizer will receive funding on the back end, if their vaccine completes the trials and is granted FDA approval.  Trust me, they will be at the trough for their share!
This OWS was a massive undertaking under very dire circumstances.  At the time OWS was initiated, the overwhelming consensus was that our backs were to the wall.  Never before has a government attempted to do what OWS did.  It's really impossible to adequately describe the hurdles needed to be overcome in order to create a safe, effective vaccine under such dire conditions.  I was a medical investigator for a CRO ("contract research organization from 2002-2012") so I have SOME familiarity with the process of research, development, and FDA approval.  No, to be clear, I was not a research nerd who developed these new drugs.  I was involved in screening of volunteers for trials, and I evaluated them afterwards.  If any adverse events, including serious adverse events, occurred, I evaluated and managed them.  In 10 years I only saw three instances where a person suffered a life threatening adverse event, out of several thousand volunteers.  Fortunately, all of those people recovered without permanent residual effects.

I can describe all of the stages required in developing a vaccine, from test tube to recipients, but that would bore people.  From the lab research in animals, to phase 1, phase II, and phase III, we are talking 4-5 years at least. Suffice it to say, normally it takes several years to develop a safe, effective vaccine.  The best way to explain how the timetable was cut down by a factor of 5-6 is to look at this link:

https://media.defense.gov/2020/Aug/13/2002476369/-1/-1/0/200813-D-ZZ999-100.JPG

This is an impressive mobilization and streamlining, no matter how you cut it.  We shall see how effective it is once people are vaccinated, beginning 2-3 weeks from now. Keep in mind, OWS was not only focused on vaccines.  It also applied to therapeutics, like the monoclonal antibodies (ie, "Regeneron").  

Free market capitalism is a good thing. 

In that table, you can see the dark brown shaded areas that represent time to manufacture the vaccine.  In OWS they rolled the dice and shelled out money to the candidates (pharma companies) to begin manufacture of the vaccine from the beginning of phase II trials.  They basically said, screw this....if this looks promising, we will pay you to begin manufacturing the vaccine, so it's ready to be shipped as soon as the FDA gives the go ahead.  Normally, these companies don't spend the money to make the drug for distribution until the FDA approves, for obvious business reasons.

Thank you Scott, you always got some good information to share with us..

Thank you so much for your explanations!  It is amazing what has been accomplished with these vaccines!!!  I will be standing ready for mine as soon as it's available to me.  Vaccines save lives -- your own and others' lives. 

Since I dont watch much TV (News) and just sick and tired of this Covid mess (thats why I dont watch the news hardly anymore now adays) its kinda nice to beable to look back on this Board and read a little about the Covid when I feel like it, Scott is so up on it so its nice to read what hes got to say about it, and other BB's too, you guys are really on top of it, so heck I dont need no stinking news I got all of you . 

A big Thank you to all the Front Line Workers, I think you all need a big Ole Hug, so Hugging away here, lol...

Going to wait and see about the vaccine, but when you guys get the shot let us know how it gos for you all, I'm just not all that sure about it just yet

Joe says he will ask all Americans to wear a mask for another 100 days when he takes over. How does this make us all feel? Me not happen at all.. I am so done with this covid, and We have another restaurant/cafe closing down for good over this covid. 

So Meep Meep thats PRETTY DA* SORRY of you laughing about another business going under because of the Covid.. Thats nothing to laugh over..

Creep.Creep did the same thing when I explained how hard the pandemic has been on the company where I work.  This was last Spring when this all started.  There's a little Andrew Cuomo/Nancy Pelosi in every Liberal.  It's why I'm proud to be a Conservative.

I'm just surprised that we have someone like this on our board.. Such a shame!!!!

Did Meep delete it or was this on another thread. Meep just gets more and more detestable. 

Its the most gutless whatever it is that we have seen on this board.. I cant decide if its female or male, lol are maybe both I just dont have no clue, I have seem "IT" post a few times to Bear but then "IT" would delete, so pretty gutless, lol..

so bush obama and clinton gonna take vaccine   go for it

now they are talkingh about paying you 1500.00 to take it  nope not me. i do not take a flue shot either

I always thought Meep.Meep is Will Sawyer.  Maybe I'm wrong.  

OMG blast from the past.  I think he was around from when I first started posting here.  

AAwwwwww the good old days!!!!!

I know you cant beieve everything you read or hear on the internet!  But now a days its pretty much how to find out bout stuff! and on here too lolol.  How do you know if its the truth?

How do you know what is in the vaccine? 

As far as the past presidents we dont know if they really taking the vaccine or if just a fake vaccine to make it look like they taking it.  Me I dont care if they do or not. 

Just soo much crap bout this vaccine I dont know what to believe or not to believe bout it. 

I have seen videos of people that supposedly worked at the places and say that it will genetically change you and that they are not on the up and up.  or that its not what the vaccine company says is in it.

I want it to be my choice if I take it! but I know that companies are going to eventually make it mandatory.  I know that hosp. around me make the flu vaccine mandatory for their workers rather they want to take it or not!

My step son works for PSO and they are trying to make the covid vaccine mandatory. 

I know that the frontlines will be first in the vaccinations, but my step son is very concern bc he doesnt trust it being that its too soon to come out with one! and he did have covid by the way.

So how do we know what is in it?

I took some time to go through a few articles in the lay press.  Here's a decent article that you may find helpful.  It's not real lengthy and easy to follow:

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1360813/Covid-vaccine-ingredients-what-is-in-new-coronavirus-vaccine-EVG

Dolly Parton is a huge financial contributor to the Moderna vaccine's study.

Can you imagine how 2020-esque it would be to have all of this end because of Dolly Parton?

Scott just heard this on the Joe Pags talk radio while feeding, some man called in and said that there was no way he was taken the vaccine because he heard that it would change up the human DNA, is there any truth to this? I dont know which vaccine he was talking about, just so odd hearing someone say it would change up the DNA.

The short answer is no, the mRNA vaccines do not alter the vaccine recipient's DNA.

The internet is buzzing with misinformation about these RNA vaccines.  Here's a simplified explanation on how they work.  Rather than injecting an attenuated or killed whole virus to provoke an immune response and induce immunity, this new method utilizes a small section of mRNA into the recipient which will induce the recipient's cells to produce a protein that is identical to the protein on the "spike" of Covid19.  That protein is recognized as a foreign "antigen" to which an immune response is generated. The mRNA and the resultant protein only lasts a few hours, but that is long enough to induce an immune response and generate specific antibodies against Covid19.  The mRNA isn't somehow incorporated into our DNA.....but it was tempting to create that kind of misinformation.  People get incredibly wealthy pulling off stunts like that.  
So, basically, your body is supplied with an exact blueprint to create the specific Covid19 spike protein.  The blueprint and the protein only last long enough to create immunity.  Clear as mud?  If you are interested in more details, you can find tons on google or duck duck go. 

I just want to add, if you go to the link I posted earlier, there is an animated explanation of how the vaccine actually works.  That will help you understand better.

Thank you Scott. When I heard that man saying the vaccine would change up DNA I had to post this to see what you would come up with and as always you come threw for us.. thank you