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Turnburnsis
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I'm geniune asking Is Biden admistration following the laws/constition? If not why is nothing being done?

I dont agree with anything they are doing but if nothing done is it bc there no case?

I understand they are supposedly voted in.  and there is people who think it was legit. tho I dont think it was. 

If they are not following the law/constition how come nothing been done to them.  They certainly have done enough stuff! 

Who is supposed to make them accountable?

 

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What things are you questioning?

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KindaClassey - 2021-01-25 5:56 AM


What things are you questioning?


An example might be how can a sitting President okay the entrance of illegal immigrants into our country when it's (gasp) "illegal."  

Robbing the QuikTrip is illegal so if he were to sign an executive order that gave it a thumbs up, then I can go rob the QukTrip.

What's the difference?

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Executive orders from the president are supposed to be based on what is legally allowed by the constitution and our laws. It allows for a president to excute a power the commander in cheif already has. Not to give him new powers. If an executive order is unconstitutional, it can be (and has been) struck down by Congress and the courts. While I may not agree with some of what Biden has done,  There probably hasn't been anything illegal done because of a law somewhere that supports it. (Even if the law may be mornic and stupid)

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KindaClassey - 2021-01-25 9:51 AM


Executive orders from the president are supposed to be based on what is legally allowed by the constitution and our laws. It allows for a president to excute a power the commander in cheif already has. Not to give him new powers. If an executive order is unconstitutional, it can be (and has been) struck down by Congress and the courts. While I may not agree with some of what Biden has done,  There probably hasn't been anything illegal done because of a law somewhere that supports it. (Even if the law may be mornic and stupid)


But what law says it's legal for ILLEGAL immigrants to enter our country? Makes no sense to me.

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KindaClassey - 2021-01-25 9:51 AM


Executive orders from the president are supposed to be based on what is legally allowed by the constitution and our laws. It allows for a president to excute a power the commander in cheif already has. Not to give him new powers. If an executive order is unconstitutional, it can be (and has been) struck down by Congress and the courts. While I may not agree with some of what Biden has done,  There probably hasn't been anything illegal done because of a law somewhere that supports it. (Even if the law may be mornic and stupid)



But what law says it's legal for ILLEGAL immigrants to enter our country? Makes no sense to me.


Is Biden's executive orders directed at opening the borders and allowing illegal immigrants to just flow in? Or directed toward dealing with the ones that are already in? I'm not 100% up on this situation, but as i understand it, his orders are trying to figure out ways to get the people that are already here and working a quicker way to become citizens and start paying taxes. For the record - and so nobody assumes anything - I am not for open borders and illegial immigration. I would have probably sent more back than Trump did. I'm just asking about the specefics of the executive orders.

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KindaClassey - 2021-01-25 9:51 AM

Executive orders from the president are supposed to be based on what is legally allowed by the constitution and our laws. It allows for a president to excute a power the commander in cheif already has. Not to give him new powers. If an executive order is unconstitutional, it can be (and has been) struck down by Congress and the courts. While I may not agree with some of what Biden has done,  There probably hasn't been anything illegal done because of a law somewhere that supports it. (Even if the law may be mornic and stupid)

But what law says it's legal for ILLEGAL immigrants to enter our country? Makes no sense to me.

Is Biden's executive orders directed at opening the borders and allowing illegal immigrants to just flow in? Or directed toward dealing with the ones that are already in? I'm not 100% up on this situation, but as i understand it, his orders are trying to figure out ways to get the people that are already here and working a quicker way to become citizens and start paying taxes. For the record - and so nobody assumes anything - I am not for open borders and illegial immigration. I would have probably sent more back than Trump did. I'm just asking about the specefics of the executive orders.

Biden said there would be no deportations for 100 days and promised free health care.  He declared he would discontinue the wall.  No matter what he meant people from other countries took it as an open invitation to cross into the US illegally.  Last week a caravan of 8000 from Honduras coming here were stopped in Guatemala because of covid fears.  These people were mostly angry and violent.  You could say they were turned back but actually they just broke up into smaller groups and are likely still headed this way.  Now another large group is forming in Honduras determined to break into the US.  

In these groups you have many criminals.  This is how they escape prosecution in their own countries and probably 25% would test positive for covid.  It's insane.  

To add, Trump had a deal with Mexico to hold illegals there so they couldn't come into the US.  Biden ended that this past weekend.  The Mexican Government was a little shocked at this change of plans but yeah that pretty much spells open borders.

 

 



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Frodo - 2021-01-25 1:41 PM



KindaClassey - 2021-01-25 1:35 PM


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KindaClassey - 2021-01-25 9:51 AM


Executive orders from the president are supposed to be based on what is legally allowed by the constitution and our laws. It allows for a president to excute a power the commander in cheif already has. Not to give him new powers. If an executive order is unconstitutional, it can be (and has been) struck down by Congress and the courts. While I may not agree with some of what Biden has done,  There probably hasn't been anything illegal done because of a law somewhere that supports it. (Even if the law may be mornic and stupid)



But what law says it's legal for ILLEGAL immigrants to enter our country? Makes no sense to me.



Is Biden's executive orders directed at opening the borders and allowing illegal immigrants to just flow in? Or directed toward dealing with the ones that are already in? I'm not 100% up on this situation, but as i understand it, his orders are trying to figure out ways to get the people that are already here and working a quicker way to become citizens and start paying taxes. For the record - and so nobody assumes anything - I am not for open borders and illegial immigration. I would have probably sent more back than Trump did. I'm just asking about the specefics of the executive orders.



Biden said there would be no deportations for 100 days and promised free health care.  He declared he would discontinue the wall.  No matter what he meant people from other countries took it as an open invitation to cross into the US illegally.  Last week a caravan of 8000 from Honduras coming here were stopped in Guatemala because of covid fears.  These people were mostly angry and violent.  You could say they were turned back but actually they just broke up into smaller groups and are likely still headed this way.  Now another large group is forming in Honduras determined to break into the US.  


In these groups you have many criminals.  This is how they escape prosecution in their own countries and probably 25% would test positive for covid.  It's insane.  


To add, Trump had a deal with Mexico to hold illegals there so they couldn't come into the US.  Biden ended that this past weekend.  The Mexican Government was a little shocked at this change of plans but yeah that pretty much spells open borders.


 


 


Ok- so this is my take away. Feel free to correct me if I have misunderstood you.

Biden has not issued an executive order saying it is ok to illegally enter the US as others on this post has implied.

But he has set some things in play that could make outsiders wanting to get in illegally think that it's going to be easier to do so. And perhaps it would be physically easier because of the stopping of the wall.

I don't understand how what he did is illegal - which was the origional question of this post. Pretty idiotic - sure but illegal and unconstitutional?

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keystone pipeline  i don/t understand how he could shut it down  but he did

 

my driver del a switch machinery too nebraska today. guy said it was special order for pipeline their crew was order off

 

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KindaClassey - 2021-01-25 2:05 PM

Frodo - 2021-01-25 1:41 PM

KindaClassey - 2021-01-25 1:35 PM

WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2021-01-25 10:22 AM

KindaClassey - 2021-01-25 9:51 AM

Executive orders from the president are supposed to be based on what is legally allowed by the constitution and our laws. It allows for a president to excute a power the commander in cheif already has. Not to give him new powers. If an executive order is unconstitutional, it can be (and has been) struck down by Congress and the courts. While I may not agree with some of what Biden has done,  There probably hasn't been anything illegal done because of a law somewhere that supports it. (Even if the law may be mornic and stupid)

But what law says it's legal for ILLEGAL immigrants to enter our country? Makes no sense to me.

Is Biden's executive orders directed at opening the borders and allowing illegal immigrants to just flow in? Or directed toward dealing with the ones that are already in? I'm not 100% up on this situation, but as i understand it, his orders are trying to figure out ways to get the people that are already here and working a quicker way to become citizens and start paying taxes. For the record - and so nobody assumes anything - I am not for open borders and illegial immigration. I would have probably sent more back than Trump did. I'm just asking about the specefics of the executive orders.

Biden said there would be no deportations for 100 days and promised free health care.  He declared he would discontinue the wall.  No matter what he meant people from other countries took it as an open invitation to cross into the US illegally.  Last week a caravan of 8000 from Honduras coming here were stopped in Guatemala because of covid fears.  These people were mostly angry and violent.  You could say they were turned back but actually they just broke up into smaller groups and are likely still headed this way.  Now another large group is forming in Honduras determined to break into the US.  

In these groups you have many criminals.  This is how they escape prosecution in their own countries and probably 25% would test positive for covid.  It's insane.  

To add, Trump had a deal with Mexico to hold illegals there so they couldn't come into the US.  Biden ended that this past weekend.  The Mexican Government was a little shocked at this change of plans but yeah that pretty much spells open borders.

 

 

Ok- so this is my take away. Feel free to correct me if I have misunderstood you.

Biden has not issued an executive order saying it is ok to illegally enter the US as others on this post has implied.

But he has set some things in play that could make outsiders wanting to get in illegally think that it's going to be easier to do so. And perhaps it would be physically easier because of the stopping of the wall.

I don't understand how what he did is illegal - which was the origional question of this post. Pretty idiotic - sure but illegal and unconstitutional?

He signed six executive orders complex I'm sure to ensure a path to citizenship for illegals in our country.  If they're illegal they shouldn't be here.  They should be deported and find their way back into our country legally.  Bottom line, the migrants headed to our country want to be "present" for the party favors he's handing out compliments of the American taxpayers.

 



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vjls - 2021-01-25 3:14 PM


keystone pipeline  i don/t understand how he could shut it down  but he did


 


my driver del a switch machinery too nebraska today. guy said it was special order for pipeline their crew was order off


 


The "snowball" effect is starting.............................and it will only get worse.  

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Lets say that the whole admistration is doing wrong, the senate, the whole sho-bang...who holds them accountable then? Military? 

I have seen some live videos that even some rep. are  saying that they are not doing right.  So thats why I ask...so if the majority thinks wrong is right that its gets to be that way even if not constituional

 

Ill be honest I dont know how to research and know if its the truth!  for instance the EO, people showing videos that they are blank pages. and I have heard that they are not posted on the federal website for public. I dont know bc I cant look stuff up at work computer and I just have my phone and I cant see much anyways. and then I see so much stuff that we was Corp. but now we not (this got sidetracked) ...How do you know?  and the Flag what does yellow mean? Ive seen 2 different stories and when I looked that up I found that it means 2 ways....

I am ashamed that I know nothing bout politics and history was boring to me in school but now I wish I knew more bout our history than just to get by in school!!!

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Turnburnsis - 2021-01-26 12:36 PM


 


Lets say that the whole admistration is doing wrong, the senate, the whole sho-bang...who holds them accountable then? Military? 


I have seen some live videos that even some rep. are  saying that they are not doing right.  So thats why I ask...so if the majority thinks wrong is right that its gets to be that way even if not constituional


 


Ill be honest I dont know how to research and know if its the truth!  for instance the EO, people showing videos that they are blank pages. and I have heard that they are not posted on the federal website for public. I dont know bc I cant look stuff up at work computer and I just have my phone and I cant see much anyways. and then I see so much stuff that we was Corp. but now we not (this got sidetracked) ...How do you know?  and the Flag what does yellow mean? Ive seen 2 different stories and when I looked that up I found that it means 2 ways....


I am ashamed that I know nothing bout politics and history was boring to me in school but now I wish I knew more bout our history than just to get by in school!!!


Use duckduckgo for a search engine. Then research the 1871 Corporate Act combined with the United States. Mainstream History does not cover many facets of any kind of history. Just because history is not taught, does not mean said history did not happen. Also, research The City of London and The Vatican Bank..................................

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By the way I would ask this no matter who is in office. 

 

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Turnburnsis - 2021-01-26 1:09 PM


By the way I would ask this no matter who is in office. 


 


Then I would say you are wise.

 

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Turnburnsis - 2021-01-26 1:09 PM


By the way I would ask this no matter who is in office. 


 


And while you are researching.............I would recommend research of The Rothschild Family.

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For the Exucitive orders you can go to federalregister.gov     Its part of the national acrhives. There are all kinds of govenment documents posted there and you can find presidential executive orders. There is a tab for presidential documents. There is a bit of a lag between when one is signed / when it is uploaded and published.

You can also google "joe bidens executive orders" and look for the federal register answer. It will take you straight to biden's.

There are 33 listed executive orders for Jan so far, Biden currently has 17 executive orders published there. The rest of them are Trumps.

 

I think the yellow flag you are asking about is the Gadsden flag. Is it the yellow one with the snake on it and the words "don't tread on me"? There is a pretty good explination of all the different meanings the Gadsden flag has had and how its been used on theconversation.com. Once you get on the main page hit the menu bar and a search screen will pop up. type Gadsden flag in the search bar and the article about it will come up.

 

If you have other questions, I'll try to help. I haven't paid a lot of attention to politics until lately either. I find it really frustrating that I don't know which sources to trust. Its so hard to just find the information about how something really happened. It drives me nuts when somebody just posts the snippet of a video or conversation they want to highlight their perspective. Just let me watch the whole thing and then I can decide what I think about something!!



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KindaClassey - 2021-01-26 2:51 PM


For the Exucitive orders you can go to federalregister.gov     Its part of the national acrhives. There are all kinds of govenment documents posted there and you can find presidential executive orders. There is a tab for presidential documents. There is a bit of a lag between when one is signed / when it is uploaded and published.


You can also google "joe bidens executive orders" and look for the federal register answer. It will take you straight to biden's.


There are 33 listed executive orders for Jan so far, Biden currently has 17 executive orders published there. The rest of them are Trumps.


 


I think the yellow flag you are asking about is the Gadsden flag. Is it the yellow one with the snake on it and the words "don't tread on me"? There is a pretty good explination of all the different meanings the Gadsden flag has had and how its been used on theconversation.com. Once you get on the main page hit the menu bar and a search screen will pop up. type Gadsden flag in the search bar and the article about it will come up.


 


If you have other questions, I'll try to help. I haven't paid a lot of attention to politics until lately either. I find it really frustrating that I don't know which sources to trust. Its so hard to just find the information about how something really happened. It drives me nuts when somebody just posts the snippet of a video or conversation they want to highlight their perspective. Just let me watch the whole thing and then I can decide what I think about something!!


thank you.  The yellow I was referring to is on the American Flag.  One statement says means we are corporate.  The other statement means under martial law.

I have looked up and find that some articles says corporate and other says martial law.  Ive looked at several articles.  this is what I mean how do you know which is true?

 

To be honest I never noticed the yellow on the flag before.

I did notice the yellow on the flags when Trump gave farewell speech.

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Turnburnsis -

Do you mean the gold fringe around some american flags?

If so, to my understanding. Its decorative. Typically only seen on flags used for a ceremonial situation versus the flag without fringe that is usuallty only seen on a flag pole. The fringe flag is used in "pretty" circumstances where it is not likely to be affected by weather - ceramonies, parades, inside court houses.The fringe is supposed to mimic the movement of the flag blowing in the wind.

I am aware there are a lot of consipracy theorists out there that try to say otherwise.  I found my information from the website of the American Legion and a study gude for the US Army. I'm personally going to trust those sources over a conspiracy type page. Everybody has to decide for themselves.

 



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KindaClassey - 2021-01-26 4:45 PM


Turnburnsis -


Do you mean the gold fringe around some american flags?


If so, to my understanding. Its decorative. Typically only seen on flags used for a ceremonial situation versus the flag without fringe that is usuallty only seen on a flag pole. The fringe flag is used in "pretty" circumstances where it is not likely to be affected by weather - ceramonies, parades, inside court houses.The fringe is supposed to mimic the movement of the flag blowing in the wind.


I am aware there are a lot of consipracy theorists out there that try to say otherwise.  I found my information from the website of the American Legion and a study gude for the US Army. I'm personally going to trust those sources over a conspiracy type page. Everybody has to decide for themselves.


 


yes and thanks!

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Turnburnsis - 2021-01-26 12:36 PM


 


Lets say that the whole admistration is doing wrong, the senate, the whole sho-bang...who holds them accountable then? Military? 


I have seen some live videos that even some rep. are  saying that they are not doing right.  So thats why I ask...so if the majority thinks wrong is right that its gets to be that way even if not constituional


 


Ill be honest I dont know how to research and know if its the truth!  for instance the EO, people showing videos that they are blank pages. and I have heard that they are not posted on the federal website for public. I dont know bc I cant look stuff up at work computer and I just have my phone and I cant see much anyways. and then I see so much stuff that we was Corp. but now we not (this got sidetracked) ...How do you know?  and the Flag what does yellow mean? Ive seen 2 different stories and when I looked that up I found that it means 2 ways....


I am ashamed that I know nothing bout politics and history was boring to me in school but now I wish I knew more bout our history than just to get by in school!!!


Checks and balances - the three branches of government

Executive Branch - (President, Vice President and Cabinet) are supposed to carry out the law

Legislative Branch (Congress which is made of of the House of Representatives and the Senate) makes the laws

Judicial Branch (Supreme Court  and other federal courts) intreprets the laws

 

The specific powers of each branch are outlined in the constitution. If it's not mentioned in the constitution - the power to do something is up to the states.

Article 1  powers of legislative branch

Article 2  Executive branch

Article 3  Judicial branch

Each branch is supposed to hold the other in check

An example might be that president Clinton signed the Defense of Marrage Act into law. That said that the federal definition of marrage was between a man and a woman. Those that didn't agree with that took cases through the court system until it went to the supreme court,  and it ruled that Same Sex marriages are legal in federal terms. The Judicial Branch said the Executive Branch overstepped.

And there is your answer. If the Executive Branch and the Legislative branch are doing something wrong together - it's going to take the Judicial Branch to stop them.

 

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KindaClassey - 2021-01-26 7:37 PM


Turnburnsis - 2021-01-26 12:36 PM


 


Lets say that the whole admistration is doing wrong, the senate, the whole sho-bang...who holds them accountable then? Military? 


I have seen some live videos that even some rep. are  saying that they are not doing right.  So thats why I ask...so if the majority thinks wrong is right that its gets to be that way even if not constituional


 


Ill be honest I dont know how to research and know if its the truth!  for instance the EO, people showing videos that they are blank pages. and I have heard that they are not posted on the federal website for public. I dont know bc I cant look stuff up at work computer and I just have my phone and I cant see much anyways. and then I see so much stuff that we was Corp. but now we not (this got sidetracked) ...How do you know?  and the Flag what does yellow mean? Ive seen 2 different stories and when I looked that up I found that it means 2 ways....


I am ashamed that I know nothing bout politics and history was boring to me in school but now I wish I knew more bout our history than just to get by in school!!!



Checks and balances - the three branches of government


Executive Branch - (President, Vice President and Cabinet) are supposed to carry out the law


Legislative Branch (Congress which is made of of the House of Representatives and the Senate) makes the laws


Judicial Branch (Supreme Court  and other federal courts) intreprets the laws


 


The specific powers of each branch are outlined in the constitution. If it's not mentioned in the constitution - the power to do something is up to the states.


Article 1  powers of legislative branch


Article 2  Executive branch


Article 3  Judicial branch


Each branch is supposed to hold the other in check


An example might be that president Clinton signed the Defense of Marrage Act into law. That said that the federal definition of marrage was between a man and a woman. Those that didn't agree with that took cases through the court system until it went to the supreme court,  and it ruled that Same Sex marriages are legal in federal terms. The Judicial Branch said the Executive Branch overstepped.


And there is your answer. If the Executive Branch and the Legislative branch are doing something wrong together - it's going to take the Judicial Branch to stop them.


 


Nice 9th grade civics lesson.  It's sad to think this isn't being taught.  I literally knew this from reading "Weekly Reader" in elementary school.  

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Nice 9th grade civics lesson.  It's sad to think this isn't being taught.  I literally knew this from reading "Weekly Reader" in elementary school.  


It is sad, isn't it. I'm really bothered with the lack of actual education in schools these days. It's just another thing in the US that is on a down hill slide.

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KindaClassey - 2021-01-27 1:17 PM


 


Nice 9th grade civics lesson.  It's sad to think this isn't being taught.  I literally knew this from reading "Weekly Reader" in elementary school.  



It is sad, isn't it. I'm really bothered with the lack of actual education in schools these days. It's just another thing in the US that is on a down hill slide.


The slide of education includes the lack of teaching history, geography and civics. Without these essential subjects, American students have not been taught the concepts of American Government. As in Americans no longer understand their rights as granted to them by Their Creator.

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