can they force us to take it. i do not want it period

I am not taking this vaccine period.

If anybody has to take the vaccine Dont use the Johnson & Johnson Vaccine, go to the Pfizer or Moderna's vaccine. 

I had the Moderna, but whats the problem with the JJ?

Taking or not taking the vaccine is your personal choice.

If there is a facility or service those running it have the option to exclude the unvaccinated if they choose.

Seems fair all around d to me.

Roxie, what is the problem with Johnson and Johnson?

I've had both doses of Pfizer. I made the decision to take it based on having asthma after having discussions with my allergist, cardiologist, pulmonologist and primary care physican. I am 65.  My husband has had both doses of Moderna. He is 72. 

How it's made just made me cringe and feel sad. 

I saw some things about it on Newsmax so looked it up and did'nt like the sound of it. It has alot to do with Religious beliefs. ( Some U.S. faith leaders express concern about J&J covid vaccines)  and saw this (New Michigan Law J&J recipients must be notified of stem cell use in Vaccine development, should be provided with information on the development of the vaccine.) 

I know this would not be a problem for some on here. But for me and my family it does.. The other two companys ( Pfizer or Moderna) develop the vaccine in a different way. But if you are in a pinch and cant get the other two then by all means do the J&J. 

My husband & I took it for the same reasons.  Signed up within a day of each other but I got Pfizer and him Moderna.  Most of our friends have had one or the other so we are planning camping trips, trail rides and traveling.  So happy we can all eat together again.

I do worry about my teenage grandkids one who works in a grocery, and people who for whatever reason won't take the vaccine.  They may very well survive the virus but can they afford the hospital bill they may get from it.  I think many people have a lot of preexisting conditions they may not even know about.  For that very reason I will wear a mask if required, however my state is doing away with them.  I don't know that I would take the vaccine if I was 30 and still having kids, very hard decision.  I waited until most of my friends and older people went first. We are also ready to get back to normal and not be afriad of catching it from those who think it's just like the flu.  I know many people who have died from it and many who think it's nothing.

I will not fly or be in any big crowds.  Not so much because of Covid, it appears people are kind of crazy.  If I don't quit collecting puppies, I'm going to have to live in the guest house.   Said my husband as he left this morning.

Thanks, one of the guys here is reluctantly getting the J&J on Thursday.  I told him about your comment and that I'd ask.  I doubt the stem cell thing would be a deterrent for him though.

Trump did a great job getting the Covid Vaccine out there to the public with his Operation Warp Speed.. Now everybody thats getting their Vaccine can rest easier and not worry as much, glad they feel they can get back to life once they get their vaccine. Trumps a awesome fella.

What did you find funny here RockyMountainRacer? Would you explain please! Or you not resting easier by getting the vaccine or you still scared whats the problem? 

You do know that the vaccine doesn't keep you from getting Covid, that is supposed to only protect you from getting severe symptoms of Covid. 

I would rather use the stem cell technology than a technology shown to be lethal in its entire past. Go find the study results from 1999 forward on mrna technology. One of the most promising technologies but one that killed almost all of its test subject since day one. I do not know what they did differently to get it to stop killing, but I don't trust an emergency approval for use.  J&J's shot is normal and typical vaccine development procedures. Developed in the same way as flu shots and pnemonia shots. Stem cells are used in a whole lot of treatments these days with amazing results. MRNA is not. 

Yes I am very aware of that, I'm also aware chances of being hospitalized are greatly reduced.  Which is what I am hoping for.  I'm also aware that many people choose to use horse wormer. To each their own I'm sure they all have risks.  Life is full of choices.  I met a nice couple in FL just insisting I try the wormer protocol, they thought it worked wonders.  They had been eating wormer quite awhile.  Didn't even meet them horse camping, in motor home on the beach.  They did own horses from Columbus, OH.

Just an FYI - ivermectin is a relatively popular medication (for people) in many parts of the world for many things...   it is regularly used for river blindness, lymphatic filariasis and other Neglected Tropical Diseases.  It supposedly also has some antiviral effect against single-strain RNA viruses like Dengue and Yellow fever.

I understand and have no problem with that at all.  Heck I don't even care if people use horse wormer.  However I do wonder when using horse wormer do you buy the expensive stuff or will the 1.97 stuff do?  I would just worry about the doseage.  I personally use a lot of horse products on myself, I just don't eat them.  I do know a guy who thought Bute was the greatest drug ever, till his stomach started bleeding and he almost died.

ETA:  I bet it's used in other parts of the world because it works, been around forever and very cheap.   It probably works as good as the new and improved drugs they are making and selling for a hefty profit.  JMO

The passport would not require you to take the vaccine.  Let me give you an example.

I want to go to Hawaii.  If I go now, without the passport, I would be subject to the testing rules. The rules require a test 72 hours before I land in Hawaii.  If I have my passport showing I'm vaccinated, then I dont have to bother with the pre flight testing.  

Thats it.  They aren't trying to force anybody.  Infact this is a pretty free market option.  Give an incentive to get peopel to do what they want.  I still dont get why people are so againt the vaccine.  

i don/t do flue either. i i don/t want to period

i in my opioion is like obamacare forcing you to take

My doctors told me the Pfizer vaccine has a 95% efficacy rate. It will prevent the disease.  This rate is much higher than the flu vaccine -- it's on par with the polio vaccine that wiped out polio. (I have the scar from that vaccine.) I spoke with four doctors whom I trust -- they have been caring for me for many years.  I have family and friends who have decided against being vaccinated and that's fine. Free country.  I respect their decisions. I did my due diligence and made my decision. They have done their due diligence and made their decision.  

My pharmacist flat told me NOT to get any of them - the only people whould should actually be getting them are those in high risk. Very smart person, and researches stuff like this for fun. So I trust their knowledge - a lot more than the doctors that prescribe stuff even when you are freaking allergic to it and tell them so.

Who told you that?  Where did you get this idea?  

I did a little research on ivermectin since my husband took it when he got Covid. It's actually been in use for humans for quite a few years with little side effects. My husband was dizzy on his second dose, but it was for a day and that was all. In fact, his UC has been very quiet since his ivermectin doses. He DID NOT take horse wormer, it was 2 little pills taken once and again in 3 days. 

The government is trying to force you to take it.  Take it or not travel certain methods of transportation, without taking a medical test?  This is America.  When did the government get the right to make us take medicine or not travel to other states, or prove we took something by a test?  If it is a private company, they have the right to do what they want regarding tests/masks etc.  

If the government makes you prove one "item" that you are vaccinated for before you can travel via certain modes, what is going to stop them from making you prove that you have been vaccinated for any other "item"?   We shouldn't have to take a test nor a vaccine to travel to a State in the United States.  

Certain people can die from taking "medicine".  That and the fact this vaccine hasn't been around and not FDA thorough tested, makes people leery of taking it.  

Our government trying to force its citizens to receive the vaccine while tens of thousands of illegals cross our border,  many Covid positive, at their leisure compliments of Biden/Harris.

Please explain RockyMountainRacer how this is funny.   I know Democrats have a strange sense of humor, if any at all, but really?

They will be forcing this on us and its coming.

Now theres a app on cell phones to alert when you have come in close contact with someone thats got covid and then you will be tracked untill you get tested and clear of the covid. If you have Google or Apple on your cell phones it will automatically kick in without notice, so if you dont want to be tracked by the Public Health Authorities you better check this out.  

dumb question if yoour cell alerts to a person having covd  why are they still giving test?

I will not be getting it. Nor will my children. I don't trust a vaccine that has been rushed through for emergency use. It's taken years for Polio, etc to find a vaccine. My uncle received both doses and then 2 weeks after tested positive for Covid. 

I don't believe the propaganda behind the reasoning for this vaccine either. I've also done research and have discovered some things that don't sit well with the vaccine itself and the testing that's been done. I refuse to be a guinea pig.

To each their own. Not having a vaccine has not prevented me from being near my family, celebrating occassions and living in fear. I also don't wear a mask. If you personally want the vaccine, I'll support you in your decision. And I expect you support me in mine.

I'll be a guinea pig instead and I'll let you know if anything goes wrong! My first dose was fine but apparently the second dose tends to put the immune system into overdrive.

Me too, I am tired of hiding from people who don't take this seriously.  Now I feel they can be as scared of me as I have been from them for the last year.  The few people who I know who have had reactions most of them have had the virus.  All said it wasn't that bad and glad they took the shot.

My first shot made my arm sore, but I hate shots.  The day before the 2nd shot I decided to stain the deck, I hurt everywhere before I even got the shot, my left arm was the only place that didn't hurt, till I got the shot.  I really had no reaction first shot hurt longer than the 2nd. ETA:  I had Pfizer.  All ready for Moderna because of Dolly but got Pfizer. 

Staining the deck with a brush scooting around on my rear was horrible.  I still have more deck to stain.  I would rather take another shot.

And I imagine, through your research, you probably don't feel any better about it when you hear someone say, "I got it - feel just fine;" or "I got it, felt sick one day, but then I was all good."  Because it is more than about that, right?

None of them are even approved, yet. but so many people are rushing to get it. 

I'm with you Twisted K. My husband and I are healthy and 32. We have a 4 year old daughter who is very healthy and active, and second baby on the way. We aren't getting the vaccine. We aren't against those who chose to, but we just aren't a high risk family.

I am not a trend-setter. I don't rush out for latest technologies, I'm going to let the popularity race proceed and see what unfolds over the next few years. 

I have 2 friends in their 70's.  One has some heath issues, inlcuding asthma.  She got the vaccine.  My other friend now thinks that friend # 1's DNA has been altered and she has risked her life by getting vaccinated.. 

RockyMountainRacer, what are you seeing thats funny? Or you not resting and getting back to life since getting the covid vaccine or are you still scared? I dont see any of this being funny, I though all this was serious to you and dont see anything that could be a laughing matter. 

Explain Please! 

Yes, that idea has been circulating for several months now.  No, the mRNA vaccines don't change anyone's DNA.  

I don't have a problem with the vaccine either way.  Get it or don't get it, your choice.  I only have a problem with the covid passport because I believe it is backed by an agenda other than a pathway of returning to normal.  Imagine coming from the very same peeps that find voter ID's problematic.  You can't make this sh.., I mean crap up.

Dumb people are funny.

Can you explain just how smart you are? 

Txbredbr  would you care to explain the highlighted part to me?  Why would it bother anyone when someone is telling of their experience of getting the vaccine?  If I had some strange reaction, I would think some would want to know, a few would be very happy.

For all you anti vaccine people I have a DIL and son who feel the same way.  Just told me Saturday how she was not getting the vaccine, her reasons sound a lot like many of you.  Well today when she went to her office 4 people had tested positive (it's not a big office) and she is waiting for test results.  However she feels really, really bad and can't taste or smell.  So I guess Easter is off at our house, I sure hope she starts to feel better.  I wish I could be as optimistic as you all, but we have a mid 30's news personality that has been very sick for 6 months.

When I think of the people I know who have had it, if the people my age didn't die from it, they had a pretty mild case.  The ones I know who have gotten real sick and just thought they were going to die have been 30 to 40.  Thank goodness they didn't need hospitalization.  Good luck to you all.

As I said I was not on the "lets go first bandwagon" at all.  If I didn't have so many friends in healthcare and most of my friends going first, I never would have done it.  I hate needles and have never had a flu shot in my life.  

Also for the record I'm not trying to convince anyone.  I personally don't care if you get it or not, since you aren't in my circle of friends.  I do enjoy hearing the reasons why you won't, just to understand.  However I know when I was considering it I liked to hear others experiences.  I sure wouldn't get upset about it. JMO

Scott, I think I asked you this question befor, if I'm repeating this question I'm sorry, but I'm been getting /hearing mixed answers about the Covid vaccine. If you get the vaccine is it suppose to help you to be immune to the virus or does it just help to make the covid virus easier to fight it off with less symptoms, I really dont understand how its supposed to work, just been hearing different ways its suppose to help you. And another question if you have had the covid do you need the vaccine? Just wondering.... 

Good question, because there's a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding out there circulating around.  I've explained this before on here, but I don't want to go looking for it.  The COVID vaccines are, in fact, vaccines.  Let's just get that straight.  They are not going to alter your DNA.  They are not "medical devices".  They act by producing specific antibodies to the "spike" protein on the SARS-Cov-2 virus.  Those antibodies bound to the spike render it unable to replicate, because it can't inject its RNA into the host cell, due to the spike basically being capped.  Eventually the body's immune system gets rid of the "neutered" virus.  The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines do not contain killed or inactivated virus particles.  They have mRNA that is an "exact copy" of the mRNA that produces the spike protein...it's a synthetic copy.  Think of the spike as a needle that the virus uses to inject its own RNA into the host cell.  The mRNA "copies" in the vaccine are coated by a lipid envelope which enables the mRNA to pass through the cell membrane of the cells in our bodies. Once inside the cell, the mRNA is incorporated into the ribosomes of the cells.  Ribosomes are little organelles in most of our cells except red cells and they are the factories for producing protein.  So that vaccine mRNA, once in the ribosomes, produces a protein that is identical to JUST the protein on the virus's spike.  That protein is released.  Your body's immune cells (T and B lymphocytes) immediately recognize this protein is foreign, just like it recognizes killed virus particles of other virus vaccines as foreign.  It begins producing antibodies specifically against that spike protein within a few days.  By 14-21 days the antibodies are at a peak.  If a Covid-19 virus enters the body, the virus basically gets "gelded" at the door.  It's rendered harmless. In effect, you are rendered immune to the virus.....so it's a vaccine. 
Your last question isn't completely settled yet.  Most so-called experts say the vaccine is still a good idea even if you've had COVID.  I'm not convinced it's really necessary.  In my case, I would probably get the vaccine even if I had COVID, because I'm at high risk plus I see COVID patients in the ER.  There's a valid concern out there that people who have had COVID will basically react violently if vaccinated, especially after a second dose.  That hasn't materialized to any significant degree so far.  Another concern is the potential for "long term" complications, as I mentioned earlier.  I think I might have had COVID back in October, but I didn't get tested because I knew I wasn't going to work for 3 weeks.  My symptoms were classic for COVID but only lasted 3 days (I took HCQ).  I went on to get my vaccine a couple months ago, and so far I'm fine.  

Palopony, what's so funny about Roxie's post?  Is that just a reflex on your part, or were you really amused?

Thank you Scott, 

the reason I'm asking is because my Mother and Father In Law and my youngest son (Matthew)and his girlfriend (Stormie)have had the Covid, and they said something about maybe getting the vaccine and that kinda worries me, so I was wondering since my In Laws are in their late 80's and my son is 30 and his girlfriend is 27. I worry since Stormie has not had any children yet, I'm going to ask her to do alot more research befor deciding.. 

You are so awesome to answer this question for the 100th time on here, but I though maybe others would like to know more on this matter too, so I though I would ask you on here for who ever else might like to know more.. Thank you again.. , I promise not to ask any more questions ,(maybe)

I forgot to mention, there are some who recommend that the sensible approach for someone who has had COVID is to only get one dose of the 2 dose vaccines.  I also forgot to mention the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is only a single dose, but it has a 65% efficacy rate, as opposed to 95% of the other two.  That's still a pretty decent efficacy.  Even in good years the flu vaccine is only about 60% efficacious, at best.  The J&J vaccine is a little different than the other two in that it uses a harmless "disabled" adenovirus as a carrier of the code that induces the host cell to produce the same host spike protein.  From that point on the mechanism for creating immunity to COVID-19 is the same.  

You don't have to apologize for asking questions.  I like explaining this stuff.  

My husband had emergency open heart surgery middle of March at Mayo Clinic in Rochester. He asked the nurses who worked on him for the 6 days he was in hospital if they took shot.  Most of them said no, heck even one of his heart Doctors said he wouldn't take the shot.  Right now I will not the get the shot.  But each to his own.  Should be a personal choice not made by the government.

Who are these "dumb people" you find so funny?  

Actually, only about half of docs and nurses say they'll get vaccinated.  I'm not surprised since these people are typically quite healthy and not many are over 65, but there are a lot who are taking a wait-and-see approach. About 1/5th say they'll never get it.  

i am not takig it either.  i have never had a fkue shot either. i have never been sick other that uti that went septic sence the late 70.s

i am also aa quad c6c7c5,  i don/t even have allergies or sinus.  so i am not  i am 70 71 this winter. i just don/t see the need since i am

healthy  my son is just like me   he does not get sick

Sure -- simple answer - it is not hateful in the fact that I would want someone to have a bad reaction to it - that's not it at all.  It was more referencing Twisted K and assuming the research they are referring to involves what is in the vaccine and what it actually does to your body long term, and that I hate for anyone.  

what bothers me.....Doctors speaking out about it are censored.  Even jailed.  The side-effects that have been experienced are being censored.  Lonely VA mentioned one study where every subject died at one time, and not sure how they got around that - well,  i know what she is referring to - they just abandoned the study and pushed the V. through anyway.  The deaths from it already are not being reported /being censored.  Why are celebreties faking getting it - why are we getting brainwashed by television scripts writing about - encouraging people to get it immediately.  Therapeutics are not being encouraged -  doctors are being stopped from prescribing them -why. They say people are dying left and right - morgues are filling up - yet the death toll in the US is no more % rise than previous years -- and much lower than in 1950. And morgues were overcrowded because family were waiting for restrictions to lift so they could actually have a funeral.  Why are they blocking truth and pushing the V. The C N N legal analyst died shortly after geting second dose  it wasn't J J. So much more....but I don't just listen to what MSM says....and I also have personal experiences that add to my reservations, as well.  

Media worldwide has been handed scripts.  The same is happening with doctors.  It is turning into socialized medicine.

Do you know if you HAD had a bad reaction (which I am glad you didn't) , you would be censored on other social networks?  A Fbook group of over 70,000 created to discuss side effects (because they think some would want to know) and the entire group was DELETED.

Did you know the first country to get fully V. had ZERO cases?!  What the h*** is going on?

But I don't wish ill on anyone here - you are not strangeers - you are my BHW friends.

My company just announced they (a) will not be requiring anyone to get vaccinated and (b) work from home is still mandatory and the first phase of bringing people back in won't be until the summer and will ONLY be voluntary with NO mandatory vaccinations.

My job was to be WFH even before COVID so that isn't a big deal to me but the vaccination part is.  I was really worried I would be forced and to know that neither me or my husband (a cop) don't have to deal with that right now is a relief.

We have weighed risks/rewards/etc and are more than comfortable with our decision.  BTW, we are in our mid/upper 30's.