I'm very curious how this vaccine works or doesn't work. I'm confused now. I was just reading a story a nurse had shared in Facebook about how she lost another patient today to covid. I dug a little deeper and read thru her other posts on her page and it turns out the patient she was referring to, per her, was fully vaccinated and "did everything right" but, since other people are refusing the vaccination her fully vaccinated done everything right patient passed away.  How is that possible, i mean, anything is possible,  but it just doesn't make much sense to me... at all. I'm not looking to debate get vaccinated, I'm just curious how this works. The vaccine is only effective if EVERYONE gets vaccinated? I'm saddened there are so many deaths and I feel for the families and our Healthcare workers going thru all this. It's scary times.

JMO, so take it or leave it. But they really have no idea yet if the vaccine works. Per the CDC's own admission, if you've had COVID, you honestly shouldn't need the vaccine because your body already has what the virus is in its memory.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/how-they-work.html

I watched an interesting video last night from a Dr explaining the 4 different vaccines and how they are supposed to work, how they were designed. It was an unbiased NON political segment on it. He basically said at the end of the day whether you chose to get these or are forced to in order to keep your job, his goal is to help get and keep you healthy so he's sharing as much information as he possibly can so you can make an informed decision. As we all probably know, none of the vaccines are FDA approved, and something I didn't know,  each company has multi million dollar lawsuits pending because of these vaccines.  As of right now, we are refusing the vaccines in my household. I've gone a few rounds with certain in laws and I just can't wrap my head around their logic and vice versa. 

You still get, carry, and pass the virus wether vaccinated or not. So no, unvaccinated aren't more of a threat or causing vaccinated to get sick & die. Everyone is an equal threat as far as spreading the virus. The vaccine just lowers your risks of dying or being sick. Basically like a horse vaccine, like Potomac for example. The vaccine won't stop them from getting it, just typically makes the symtoms less severe. I still had one hopistalized for it and he was vaccinated, vet said hadn't he been vaxed we probbaly would've lost him in the first couple days. Works the same way for this. They also don't know if it works as its not tested. Plus they're now saying to booster it with a 3rd at 8 months. That tells you right there its failing 

So why the aggressive push on the vaccine that they aren't even sure if it will work? That's my and several people I know question. I also have been reading that several deaths and those hospitalized are those that had one of these vaccines. I was debating this with someone the other day and was told I was being selfish for not getting it, they had a close friend that recently passed away from Covid but was also extremely overweight and suffered from diabetes.. sometimes I have to wonder if these people even really think about whats coming out of their mouth. 

I got my first Pfizer a while back and my second one is this Friday.  Wasn't sure this was the right thing to do or not but just made the decision and did it.  Would never ever pass judgement on anyone who didn't.  It's supposed to be a free country but now in NY you'll need a vax card to enter a restaurant, gym, or see a show.  Yet I'm watching a baseball game in San Francisco last night where thousands are packed into the stadium.  Hmmmm.

Saw where the McAllen, Tx hospital is loaded with Covid patients......80 percent illegal migrants.  Wonder who's going to pay their hospital bills.

Well the case numbers are inaccurate to start with. It says right on the CDC website anyone with covid symtoms, tested positive or not, are included in the numbers. So a large chunk are actually probably flu cases. I had covid the last month and am fine. 100lbs overweight, heart murmur, high BP, and a leaking valve. I've had a small cough for a month, but its been nothing I'd get vaccinated for. And I'm supposedly super high risk for covid. And some of the ones pushing the vaccines have financial stakes in the company. So they're obviously going to push it hard. I'm not saying covid isn't real, buts its definitely been blown up way more than necessary and being used for financial and political agendas. So naturally you'll have this kind of situation. Our local hospitals have given notice to any employees that if they aren't vaccinated in the next 60 days they're fired. And several hundred have openen a lawsuit against it. So if that many of the ones working on the frontlines of the virus don't want the vaccine, that should tell you all you need to know about it really. 

I talk & listen to my own Dr. Not fb or any other source. My Dr has watched people die from this. 

We are seeing about 1/3 to 1/2 of our patients being admitted are fully vaccinated. I will say that the vaccinated are less sick. We're also seeing younger patients than before. I was just mandated to get the vaccine. I've also been pulled back to work the floor part time. I just pray that this isn't as bad as last year. We are all so tired and the ptsd is so real.

Money money money money . . . MONEY!!

So this is an interesting watch... I suggest that you watch it start to finish it will give u some interesting insight. I gather it's independently made and so on but as a critical care nurse I can attest to what she says and it's scary to know that its not just being seen by myself and colleagues but by others and other countries and so on... 

https://rumble.com/vl2uxz-icu-nurse-youre-being-lied-to-about-covid..html

So are you pro vaccination or against it?  How do you feel about the Ivermectin?

I'm pro making my own choice. I personally think all vaccines they are considered safe and effective should be administered that's how we have been able to combat and keep so many things away. But with that being said  I myself have not been vaccinated because I would like to think that more time should be allowed before it's considered a first line of defense. As well as I am seeing many people vaccinated be positive and be admitted to hospital. I commend those that are not fearful of being vaccinated and can go ahead with it! More power to you I mean I suppose that at the end of this we can call it the worlds largest clinical trial! I myself have daily anxiety thinking about it. So I make the choice for myself to be diligent in wearing my mask or being aware of who is in my space. 

I don't knock anyone for getting the vaccine, or wearing a mask. Its their choice, all I ask in return is the same respect for me choosing not to. I honestly cannot even remember the last time I was sick. I believe in maintaining a strong functioning immune system, same for my kids. We take extra vitamins, use common sense hygiene practices... no, I don't think we are bullet proof, but I do believe you can give yourself the best chance by living healthy and having a strong immune system. We take colloidal silver at the first sign of any illness and a boost of vitamin C and zinc, also vitamin D .... so far, its worked great. I do not know if we've been exposed directly to covid and I do not know if we've had it. Never tested. My boys get sick it's usually gone within 24 hours with my above mentioned regime so I don't run to the nearest clinic at the first sign of illness. I hope and pray we don't get seriously ill and do my best for prevention but we don't live in fear either. I do homeschool my kids as well but they are not sheltered from the outside world we go plenty of crowded places! 

i hear a lot however i think you answered your own question

let me take smallpox     if your vacanniated  you can not not get it period

so if you hav covid vaccine and you get it  what does that tell u ? that there is no vaccine  a shot yes vaccine no  

look at the crusie ship 100% vccined  however they still had out break

but you do ur  research think about pray  then do what you think

i also learned something ameriocan are no lnger vaccineated for smallpox rouintely  since 1972. now they fear outbreak

https://youtu.be/D1onx7LaNio Another interesting watch.

I'm an ICU RN that is currently working in an all covid unit in which we are drowning in young covid patients, largely due to the same misinformation that is being spread on this post. 
100% OF OUR COVID PATIENTS IN THE ICU ARE NOT VACCINATED AND THEY ARE ALL ON VENTILATORS.
The majority of them didn't believe in covid or "didn't want a microchip in their arm" and now because of misinformation spread on the internet that they read they now have a tube down their throat so they can breathe and another tube up their butt so when they poop it prevents their skin from breaking down, along with the numerous iv's and central lines so we can give them the iv medications that are barely keeping them alive.
Please for the love of God get your information from credible sources, like those that are working in it each and everyday not those that can barely spell covid. I am TIRED of putting healthy 30-40 year olds in body bags due to their ignorance surrounding the vaccine. 
The vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting covid, it prevents you from getting deathly ill and having to be hospitalized because of it. But what do I know, it's not like a work in a covid icu or anything....

Thanks for your post. Exactly what we are seeing

My entire family has been vaccinated, my co- workers have been vaccinated by choice.  I trusted my primary care physician to guide me.  None of us have had COVID or tested positive for COVID even after exposure.  I question of course why have we avoided getting sick or testing positive when others that have been vaccinated have.  Our counties and surrounding counties have moderate numbers.  I am not sitting around though worried about whether or not anyone is vaccinated or not. 

It should be a choice.

I am a little bit worried though that every time I walk by my steel utility trailer on the side I was vaccinated - if I get too close my arm gets stuck to the side.  

I believe its bad for some, I'm not trying to discredit that. Where I'm at it's not. My friend thats a nurse has been working the covid patients and she said based on what she's seen she wouldn't get the vaccine. And she's getting fired for it next month because the hospital is rquiring all employees be vaccinated. They've got about 200 nurses and doctors currently working with a lawyer to sue the hospital. Same "catholic" hospital reported to the local media they currently had 116 Covid patients on a ventilator iand she says they have had 2 covid cases in the last week, who were outpatient. She says they've only had a handful of cases for months here in central IL. So there's entirely conflicting CREDIBLE info coming from many frontline sources. If the doctors and nurses in my area are saying don't worry about covid then I'm not going to worry. We're not near a big city or anything like some, where I'm sure cases are worse.

And again, I just had it and still have an occasional cough 5 weeks later since the start, I still wouldn't get the vaccine. I was never even sick, just a cough. My sinus infection I get after putting up hay every eyar and during harvest is 100x worse. And of the 20+ people I know who have had it, have been fine as well. My grandparents good friend in his late 80s with stage 4 lung cancer and one of those voice boxes in his throat has tested positive twice since this started and he's not once felt sick either time. He only knew bc he had to get tested before procedures. So for me, if he's fine I'm not worrying. Is it unfortunate that some healthy, young, etc people are having issues? Sure. But I also believe that it's on us, our health is nobodys problem but our own. If you don't want to be vaccinated don't get vaccinated, if you do then go get it.

The problem lies in requiring it, and if we're going to require one then all vaccines need to become required. Or I guess not the flu, since its been exterminated and no longer exists. Would be pointless to get that one now. And if vaccines are going to be required then we really should start requiring people to publicly disclose any other communicable diseases as well. And any medical issues resulting from vaccine, which there are A LOT of cases, should be 100% free of charge. I have a $5,000 deductible and would lose my job and my house & horses if I were to have an issue from the vaccine. So its not always just becasue you're not interested or scared of the vaccine, some cant afford to take the risk of getting it. And people shouldn't be mad about it. Vaccinated people are the bigger threat to society right now, common sense and science both tell you that,  but everyone seems to have that backwards. You can still get deathly sick, you can still die...vaccinated or not 

Thank you for sharing your experience and for the thankless work you do on a daily basis. I cannot imagine the things you've seen and the things you do, day in and day out.  That being said, I still stand firm that it should be a choice to have the vaccine. Bless you and the others that are on the front line dealing with this. And I also agree that there is a ton of misinformation coming from BOTH sides of the spectrum. I urge anyone to do their own research and talk to their Dr about it if you're that worried. Not to follow blindly whoever you get your information from. I said from the very beginning we wouldn't be forced into getting this vaccine and I stand by that.  I refuse to be bullied into doing something I feel strongly about and I feel that's what's happening I'm our country. I think covid is real, never thought it wasn't, for the record. You work in the COVID ICU  , you have to deal with it and the worst of it on a daily basis. A person that told me how awful it truly is works for the hospital as well but works in the insurance side of things, never steps foot into the ICU. Thinks she can strong arm me into getting vaccinated and is trying to make me feel guilty for not getting my entire family vaccinated.  It doesnt, but I get tired of hearing about it. Threatening your job or your abilities to go anywhere UNLESS you have this vaccine is WRONG in my humble opinion.  I pray this comes to an end sooner than later and I pray for our Frontline workers as well for their health and endurance to deal with this.

I'm not telling any to get or not get vaccinated. It should be a pesonal choice. I do however know 5 people who were vaccinted back in the spring and in the last month have gotten COVID and passed away. I also know several who were vaccinated and have been very very sick. One spent 40 days in the hospital. Thing is I don't know hundreds of people so the percent of people that the vaccine is not working in muct be pretty high.   

I just left my family physicians office, took my son in for a well child check. Doc brought up covid vaccine for Jacob since he can be considered high risk. I grilled him pretty good on it asked a TON of questions and I'm sure I completely overstayed my welcome but he took the time and explained to me about the virus and the benefits of the vaccine. And told me, as my doctor, and nothing more, he recommended the vaccine to us. He also told me he'd continue to treat us no matter what we decided.  I asked about people dying even though they've been vaccinated or still getting very sick with covid. He said it's very rare and it can be the same with the flu. He has patients that have covid and don't know it,  he also has patients that are fighting for their lives in ICU right now. He said there is no way of knowing how an individual will react to covid. He said he gains nothing financially by giving his patients the vaccine, which would be pfizer. He gave me facts and statistics. I respect that and was very appreciative of his time and information.  I also told him I believe him and I trust him. But I also believe that if they weren't demanding this vaccine I think more people would be open to getting it. He told me as my doctor he recommended the vaccine to us, from a medical professional standpoint and nothing more Nothing less. He wouldn't recommend it if he didn't take him himself.  

Before he left us, he said he was about to have to go out to the designated spot in the parking lot to go check out a positive covid patient. Sure enough, as we left and drove around the back of the building,  there he was in a gown with mask and gloves on examining an older man in a vehicle. Not going to lie, it kinda freaked me out. I feel awful this is happening,  but I'm still not 100% on board taking the vaccine or giving it to my kids. I just can't get there in my gut. My gut tells me NO. He told me covid is 100% real.. I never doubted it was real I just doubt the safety and the reasoning why this vaccine is being so heavily and aggressively pushed on EVERYONE. That is my biggest issue with it. 

Want2, I agree that politicians are working too hard to force this vaccine and alienating people in the process but I watched a doctor nearly in tears on local news today who had just watched a patient die of Covid, begging people to vaccinate.  Like you I'm skeptical but got my second shot today. I heard more than one person waiting with me at Walgreens chime in that they didn't want to do this.  I won't change my mind.  This variant came across the border, was distributed across the US, and we're all paying for the incompetence of a career politician who was never good at what he does.

As someone who has never even taken the flu shot, or had the flu for that matter, I struggle to take this vaccine.  My doctor also told me that he thinks the media has politicized this whole virus and the vaccine and asked me to try to take that part out of it when I'm making a decision. I'm so on the fence on this,, my legs are numb! Then I'll admit I read these awful.stories on Facebook about reactions to the vaccines. Which you have to wonder if it's real, I don't know. I can say I do not personally know anyone that had a serious bad reaction.  Just 1 gal she's a nurse, I'm friends with her. She had a pretty heavy reaction on the 2nd shot ... for about 48 hours ... had to stay in bed and had terrible aches and pains and was wiped out tired. But now is totally fine. My in laws that have taken it never had a bad reaction and they are in their 80s heavy smoker and history of heart attack mother in law.. she had zero reactions. I realize there are no guarantees but my doctor really urges me to do this and says he has patients now that are probably not going to live because they didn't get the vaccine and are barely hanging on in the icu. Jacob has an appointment next week with his oncologist and I'll be asking a bunch more questions. It's just so difficult to know who or what to believe anymore. The struggle is real. 

My husband is 72 and I am 65. He got the Moderna vaccine in February. I got the Pfizer in March. Absolutely no regrets or fear about it. Husband felt a little tired after his second. I had chills and aches for about 8 hours after my second. No big deal for either of us. We will get our booster as soon as it is available.  We also get the Flu vaccine each year.  We have always been proactive about her medical care -- annual physicals, all suggested testing for our ages and all suggested vaccines for our ages (shingles, pneumonia, etc.).  So far, we are living very good lives for our ages -- extremely physically active and neither of us have had a cold or illness in years and years. We pray that continues and we will continue to follow the recommendations of our trusted primary care physicians.

I have very good reasons to refuse the shot and I have done my research and have experienced Covid. I believe that you have a right to the experimental vaccine if you so choose. I believe I have the right to refuse the vaccine. I am not young, I am not fit and I don't eat as healthy as I should and yet I had Covid and did not need meds. My husband did and I could not believe how hard we had to search for the meds he needed. Once he got them he recovered quickly, but he should have had excess to those drugs from day one. That is what makes me mad - how doctors are refusing to treat patients until they need the hospital. I have never experienced that before. It has surely soured my outlook on the medical community. 

This is an interesting topic and it's good that everyone can make up their own mind, at least that's the way it should be.  A restaurant owner appeared on FOX the day.  De Blasio's idiotic mandate that NY'ers can't dine in a restaurant or frequent a gym unless they can show proof of vaccination is costing these business people their livelihoods. This woman is suing De Blasio, for all the good that will do. 

So has anyone looked up the #protectyourfamily on Facebook and read the stories about the adverse reactions to the vaccine? Those scare me more than the actual virus... "IF" they are indeed true to what they are claiming. I know there are a lot of stories going around and some are probably not true but if the 99% survival/recovery rate is accurate then why does EVERTUONE  need this? Maybe high risk or those prone to respiratory issues etc ... but an average healthy adult or child... my Dr told me it's recommended for those 12 and up now. He also said children are more susceptible to the new variant than the original virus... how so? These are the things that make me nuts ... just out of the blue. I hate to doubt my doctor because I really like him and he's always been a great Dr for my whole family. My husband and I were discussing this yesterday and we both agree that he's basically repeating what he's been told, he probably doesn't REALLY know all this stuff first hand now ... how could he? It seems the CDC or the WHO is just changing information as they go... no REAL lomg term studies have been done on this vaccine or has it? I can't seem to get a straight answer to satisfy my concerns.  My Dr also closed with saying that he would continue to treat me and my family the same as he always has regardless if we get the vaccine or not. I hope that's true and I hope he's able to continue to. 

I'm a Public Health Nurse-RN and administer the Covid shot every day I work. I know there are people who will have reactions to the vaccine just like every other vaccine or medication that exists. Heck people can have bad reactions to Tylenol or Ibuprofen. However in our 3 offices that cover 3 different counties we have had no serious reactions reported to us since we began administering the vaccine in January. The main reports we get are red, warm, sore arms at the injection site.  Or body aches with fever and feeling sick for 24 to 48 hours. I see things on Facebook about severe side effects and it seems like just from a statistical standpoint my health department would have had at least one serious side effect or hospitalization from the vaccine if  it was as common as people say it is. I still think each person needs to make the decision for themselves but I also believe it becoming a political issue has caused more distrust than there would be otherwise. 

I have been vaccinated and my husband and both of my sons are and about 90% of my extended family are vaccinated none of us had a bad reaction. 

After reading through this thread and your posts, I think you are wanting someone to tell you to NOT get the vaccine. I have always thought that a person should listen to their family doctor. He knows you and your family's health backgrounds and problems. Of course, I am sure if you hunt around enough, you can find a doctor who agrees with your perception of the need for vaccine. When I see a child in the ICU on a vent, I think of children (like your Jacob) who are more at risk than others. I think you are wise to talk to his oncologist and ask the questions and take his advice. The 99% survival rate sounds great UNLESS you have a family member, child, or friend who HAS died of the virus. My husband and I both had the "shot" in Feb. and March. My only reaction was getting a little more tired which gave me a good excuse to take an afternoon nap ..... LOL ..... John had blisters (2) around the injection sight of his second shot ... BUT .... he was also on an antibiotic for an infected toe at the time which the Dr. said could be the reason. My reason for getting the shot was for OUR health but also for those who could not get the shot. I would be devastated if I had contracted the virus and gave it to a child or family member who DIED.

The CDC and WHO keep changing because the virus keeps changing. Exactly the reason that is much more transferable now due to a mutation. When it first appeared, they were making "best guesses". Regarding the vaccine, this type of vaccine (for SARS and corona viruses) has been worked on since 2002. Additionally, it is noted that the FDA will give FULL approval of the vaccine this coming week.

I know that you all p*ssed and moaned about wearing masks and shutting down big crowds but, at that time, the cases were diminishing. Here in AR, they were down to 100-200 cases or less per day ..... NOW, after opening up, we are in the 1000-2000+ cases a day and the ICUs are overcrowded. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to compare that ....... 

Our family doctor Is the one who refused to give my husband the ivermectin. He refused to see my husband or even talk to him. He talked to a nurse. He never once called or had anyone else call to see how my husband was doing. This doctor is the one who helped my husband get his UC under control. We thought the world of him. If we had not been able to find a doctor to prescribe it, my husband would have ended up in the hospital. His ox sat levels were as low as 90 before the ivermectin and since has UC, we were very worried. Do nit depend on your doctor's opinion alone, do your own research. Check to see what the researchers and doctors who specialize in immunology and researchers who study viruses. I think our doctor is too busy to keep up with the latest research/discoveries. I'll put more stock in what a specialist thinks than an MD. 

I'm going in Tuesday to the oncologist for my son, knowing pretty well they are going to recommend he gets this vaccine. Im not doing it. There's no way I'm letting them vaccinate any of my kids if I'm not willing to take it myself.  And as of right now, im not willing.  

O2 sat in the 90s is good..... lol

Just another FYI, this isn't about if vaccines should or should not be mandated. It's about having enough decency to protect other human beings who are at risk and are maybe unable to get the vaccine. As of yesterday morning, at the level 1 trauma center where I work in TN ALL of our icu beds are full, and we just lost someone in their early 20s over the weekend to covid. Get the vaccine, and if you choose not to then the least you can do is wear a mask and not expose others by going to public places unless absolutely necessary.

Not according to our asthma doctor, ER doctor and even our doctor who wouldn't see my husband. When I had to take my son to the ER for an asthma attack his O2 sat level was 94 and they immediately put him on a nebulizer breathing treatment and when I commented 94 didn't sound bad, they told me he should be at 98 or higher. EVERY TIME my son's O2 say levels got below 98 his doctor sent us the the ER or gave him breathing treatment. My husband's doctor did tell him if his O2 sat level got to 90 he needed to go to the hospital. His got as low as 88 but he never told me because he DID NOT want to go to the hospital. 
so I find it very suspicious that NOW I hear medical people tell me 90 is good. 

The thing is though, our health is our responsibility. Yours is not mine and mine is not yours. Those who want to be protected should get the shot or stay home. Its no different than driving a car, thousands of lives are threatened every time we each get behind the wheel. Are we supposed to stop driving because we MIGHT harm or kill someone else? Its the same thing. Covid is permanent, its not going anywhere. Science and common sense tell you that. The odds of dying from it are miniscule. I just got done with 5 weeks of it and was absolutely fine, the dry cough was all I had. It was eaily tolerable, didn't stop or slow my day to day life. And I still have yet to know anyone who is sick. But I'm not going to live my life p*ssyfooting around over it, and nobody else should have to either. Again, its permanent, cases will always be fluctuating. At some point we have to accept the inevitable and go back to normal. We just had a massive music festival here, Lollapalooza was 2 hours north, and we had another big festival this weekend. Two of those had NO covid restrictions, and guess what? Cases are still lower than they've ever been here. No harm was done, Luke Bryan will be having his farm tour here in a couple weeks as well. Nobody here is concerned about it. If you want to protect yourself, by all means please do. Thats your responsibilty, no one elses! 

I have asthma. When I get to 93/94, I am in trouble!!!!  It was made very clear to me by my primary physician, cardiologist, and asthma specialist that COVID would most probably kill me. All told me in no uncertain terms to get the vaccine as soon as possible. And I did. And I will get the booster just as soon as I can get scheduled.  I have also had both pneumonia vaccines.  As somewhat of a science nerd who has followed vaccine development and studies for years and years and years (ever since biology in high school -- and I'm 65 now) I have followed the mRNA work which began in early 2000s. It's a huge breakthrough. I trust the science. 

It IS about forcing people to take something they aren't comfortable with.  100%  why isn't the flu shot pushed so heavily on people, other than Healthcare workers? Flu is very contagious and can kill just as easily as covid no? If I'm sick, which is extremely rare, I do stay home. People that have been vaccinated are also dying and are in the ICU on ventilators. We can sit here all day and argue and toss out numbers like we are all so utd on the findings and statistics... bottom line it should be a choice. That's the biggest concern, I feel. I watched the Trump rally the other night and he urged people to get the vaccine, but he also said you should have a choice and having freedom is important and we shouldn't let that go. I agree with that! Now let's watch and see how the left and the media will spin his words to make him into the bad guy and blame him some more. Do as you please when it comes to your health, ultimately YOU are responsible for your health, not the government,  not anyone else. If you're afraid of catching covid, get the vax, wear a mask and stay home unless it's absolutely necessary to go out!  Do you worry when you take your horse to a show, that every single horse there is healthy and has been vaccinated 5ways to Sunday??? Or do you just make sure your horse is UTD on everything YOU feel is important to protect him? Only thing they ever require and it's rare they even ask for proof is coggins. 

Yes, exactly. The horse show example is perfect, it should be the same with us. Those who want the shot should also reserach the company behind it. Pfizer is the only one receiving, or expected to receive, FDA approval currently. Moderna has yet to have anything FDA approved, ever. Johnson & Johnson still isn't that effective. So at the very least research the company of which shot you wish to go with. A booster at just 8 months out should tell you just how effective they're proving to be. Especially after 2 shots already. There's still a large percentage of covid positive people with no symptoms, that never even knew they had it. Around 30% I believe is still the number, so you have to factor that into the death rate. Lets just use US numbers for a second, 645,000 deaths so far. And total cases, if you include the 30% data of asymtomatic, you're at 50,110,000 cases. Which leaves the death rate at 1%. So you have a 1/100 chance of dying from it. Cancer kills almsot 10 million a year, and nobody does anything to reduce our risk for that 

I will post again ...... The 99% survival rate sounds great UNLESS you have a family member, child, or friend who HAS died of the virus. And NO .... the flu has not been "just as" contagious and deadly as the covid ..... the highest number of deaths from the flu in the past decades has been 2017-2018 with only 61K death ...... a far cry from the 630+ THOUSAND from Covid.

Actually, knowing someone that died wouldn't change a thing for me. I believe in God, and he takes souls when its their time. We might not like it or undersatand it, but it's not up to us. But again, if you want to protect yourself by all means. Please do so. I've had it, I'm still the only one of the 30+ postive people I know, that have even had a sick symptom. Many lost their smell/taste, but that was it. I actually lost my taste a few months back, but that turned out to be a side effect of a medication. But with covid I wasn't anymore tired than normal, never had a fever, sore throat or anything. Just a small obnoxious dry cough that persisted for 5 weeks. Which isn't a big deal. And my doctor thinks I had it in february of 2020 before they recognized it here. I had pnemonia and a 99.5 temp for 2 weeks, but still wasnt enough to stop me from regular activites. It had started with a sore throat and cough. And then the week after it was gone suddenly covid was in the US. So we assume I've had it twice at this point, and I still wouldn't get vaccinated for it. Even if it was tested for 10 years and FDA approved. No flu shot either, but again, it no longer really exists anyway so it's kind of a useless vaccine now 

I truly pray that YOU did not spread the virus (while you were only feeling mildly sick) and killed the immune compromised child or the person who could NOT take the vaccine .... but hey ....that's THEIR fault because you willingly spread it ..... right? 

I agree NJJ that statistics don't mean a thing to anyone that has lost a loved one to ANY disease or sickness or accident. When Jacob was diagnosed with cancer, when he doctors were spouting off numbers of survival rates and cure rates I wasn't even listening all I cared about was him beating it, I totally get what you're saying on that. Just because 90% of children with his condition survived,  didn't mean Jack to me. I get it.... however I still stand by that this should be a choice to be vaccinated, not a mandate or law or people not being allowed to enter buildings or travel to go places or denied employment. 

The people I had contact with were informed and didn't care. Where they went after being around me I don't know or care 

ok my question  and dang if i can find answer

mask do they prevent you getting it from a unmasked person

yes or no

My son has asthma, too, but he is 30. He got Covid, and I'm not gonna lie, I was terrified. All he got was a headache. He is outside a lot and is not obese but he is a meat and potatoes kind of guy. So I understand you deciding to get the vaccine. I think anyone who feels the need, should if they so desire. On the research I did, I am not comfortable taking the shot, I believe we should have the freedom to make our own decisions, medically and otherwise. 

Just a little side note but has anyone else tried to get a hold of injectable ivermectin that use to be so readily available EVERYWHERE? Ok so we use this ivermectin  alot on our chickens to prevent and treat mites and parasites... you can't get it now. It's either backorder or sold out or just plain unavailable.  I was finally able to get a bottle but it took me a while to track down. And also what's the reason that you cannot have it shipped into good ol California? I never noticed that before when I'd buy online but now it's everywhere, maybe that's not new but I just never noticed it. And yes, I would use the ivermectin on myself if needed. I've had this stuff "accidentally " ingested, squirt in the eyes and mouth and stuck into my skin ... my chickens are rank when it comes to stuff like that. I remember last year tsc pulled ALL ivermectin from the shelves pastes and pour on alike. Some of the online places put out a notice saying they will not sell more than 2 bottles UNLESS you've purchased from them in the past. 

I work for an equine supply company - there is only 1 facility making Ivermectin horse wormer right now. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jktvh6k0qys

holy cow i love her

 a major  drug copy is mandating all get vawccine. my girfriend  no not that type./ has been 20 years with them  a topp produicer in sales.

she does not want that vaccinne. she is a wreck. 

mandating all; started because of cigaretts   . employers mandatedf that .

so when dop the law suits start

also dr are now say  get the vaccnme or we drop u as a patient

its time for something

while everyone is fighting over vaccines and masks, I fear for our healthcare workers. The system is overwhelmed. Patients are sicker than ever. We're being stretched way too thin. People are leaving in droves. I'm not going to lie, covid has completely changed my views on nursing. You have two patients die at the same time while you and five other people are proning your other patient that happens to be 2 years older than you that just delivered a baby she may never live to see. You get yelled at by a patient saying they don't believe in covid and refuse to wear their oxygen only to come back your next shift and find out they died. It was just amazing to me how many people refused to lay on their bellies because it was uncomfortable even though you told them it would save their lives. Yes, I agree it should be a choice to be vaccinated. However, I also agree that we all should be less selfish and use a little common sense. Stay home if you feel ill, wash your hands. Covid is very real and it's not going anywhere. The misinformation out there is just plain scary. 

I don't envy you your job, but thank you so much for doing it.   

My dermatologist just told me last week that I got to him just in time, he was just told he cannot accept any more new patients at this time because almost 50% of his staff is being transferred to the main hospital to help with covid patients, because they've lost so many qualified Healthcare workers they cannot keep up, they are rounding up where they can. How sad. Dermatology already takes a long time to get in as it is. I feel for the nurses and drs... being totally overwhelmed..... 

Just saw on the news where all members of the military will be forced to take the vaccine.    Wonder if all the tens of thousand of migrants coming into this country will be forced to take the vaccine.  Oh wait, they're already spread out all over the country distributing germs.

I don't believe the military is going to be doing anything our goverment tells them to do anytime soon after this afghanistan crap. Our military will be significantly reduced if they do force it. I know plenty that will walk away 

I was thinking the same thing.  And there's no "if" to the mandatory vaccine.  It's immediate.

I took the vacine had no complications. However, I think taking Covid vaccine should be between you and your Physican due to some people have different helath issues that could have side affects from Covid vaccine. Think your health situation is something you need to dicuss with your physican.

I agree, I think Democrats used Covid to steal our 2020 Elections and I think Demcorats will continue the Covid to keep stealing Elections with Mail In Ballots.

I've talked to a few and basically, if you refuse you'll just get dishonorable discharge. Or thats the plan as of now. And they said there's a large group planning to accept that, just on each of their bases, & walk away. They also feel a military turn on our own goverment is coming very soon, so we'll see if that plays out as well. I know most veterans are ready to join forces with them to do so. Which probably needs to be done. The military shouldn't even be thinking about covid right now 

I feel that the mandate is BS. Thankfully I work for a company that will not do that to us. I believe that it is my choice based upon my research as to whether or not I choose to get the vaccine. I'm sick and tired of the unvaccinated people basically being condemned for not getting a vaccine. There is NO PROOF that the vaccine works. Too many contradictions in the stories of the so called experts. First it was wear a mask, it'll protect you. Then, get the vaccine and you won't have to wear a mask. Then it was the vaccine doesn't stop covid and now you should wear a mask again. 

I also will not take a vaccine that has been rushed through the trials and is not FDA approved. There is no knowledge of long term effects yet. I won't risk giving my children a vaccine either that could harm them later in life. 

I've had covid. I've lost people I was close with to it. But, every person had an underlying health issue too. Will I poke anyone who felt the need or want the vaccine? Absolutely not. If you want to do that for you and your family, that is your decision. But, I expect you to respect my decision for the same reasons. 

Pfizer is FDA approved now, but if you research FDA approvals, around half of approvals each year get revoked. So being FDA approved holds no weight as far as safety. Based on Modernas track record I wouldnt go near anything coming from them anyway 

It's not FDA approved. It's been granted longer "emergency" status as of 8/21. There still is not enough testing behind it for me to feel comfortable injecting myself or my children

Well shoot, I thought it was. Yahoo emailed me about it lol. I try not to keep up with covid or its vaccines 

Pfizer's two-dose Covid-19 vaccine has received full approval from the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) - the first jab to be licensed in the nation. The vaccine had initially been given emergency use authorisation. Its two jabs, three weeks apart, are now fully approved for those aged 16 and older.

The EAU has been extended, but there is wording in the documentation that suggests the approval is only good for as long as the EAU and then will need reevaluated. But again, it suggests it to the general reader. Either way, my decline of the vaccine has nothing to do with the vaccine at all 

People are stating the Pfizer vaccine is FDA approved now, like that's supposed to make it more appealing.  Good for them and good for the people who were holding out for the approval and now feel safer taking it. 

Where did you get that information? I would like to read that "documentation". 

Has anyone heard from Bear, lately?  Got the shot back in Jan.  Been wondering how it's going - what knowledge has been gained, since.  I know he was very excited about the technology in the shot.

I have heard disturbing information from doctors (first hand) about what they are allowed to say to patients - pressure patients to get the shot or the doc will lose hospital privileges.  I know Bear is a patriot and about freedom....but this is a push for socialized medicine.

I know very few that have got the jab - 2 are in the hospital right now - positive.  Another just came back form work after 2 weeks off - positive - and sick. Another finally got out of the hospital - health complications, including blood clots - that makes a total of 2 I know w/ blood clots.

The "approval" on the fda site is lengthy and confusing, but appears to extend EUA with orders and timelines for further testing and allowing the P*izer and newly named Comirn*ty to be used interchangeably and claiming that there isn't a significant different between the two ---- but Comin*rty IS the one that is being licensed? even though they dont' have enough stock in it, so you know all they are going to provide is the Pf*zer which is the one they are NOT approving?----- how deceiving that some of the wording is REDACTED!!!!  -- it allows the press to say whatever they want even though it is STILL not approved, but extending EUA which protects them from lawsuits from complications/death caused by jab and it can't be forced upon us.  I know people that are only driven by MSM headlines - including employers - so I am in deep prayer for all of those unlawfully and unwillingly placed in a position to have to choose to get the jab or lose their job :(   

ninty nine per cent of hospital patients are NOT vaccinated.  My horses are vaccinated once a year for 5 different diseases.  It has been 7 months since my last vacc for covid and I am due for a booster.  I am afraid of getting sick, but I need to know I am protected.

How many of that 99% have other problems or underlying issues that may have been exasperated by Covid? This makes it sound like an average healthy person is in the hospital solely because they caught covid and are unvax'd. I have serious doubts. 

The best thing to do is let folks make their own choices whether it be vaccines or masks. 

Bear hasn't been on the board for weeks.  Many people are more embedded in FB.  Censoring conservatives is not my idea of a good outlet but to each his own.

This is supposed to be real.  Also, if you call this number, they will tell you more -

I KNOW it has been a long time since Bear posted, which is why I asked - I searched his posts, because I hadn't seen him.

We definitely should be allowed to make our own decisions BUT the key factor in this is the information should not be censored like it is - in that regard, I am concerned for myself, my friends, family, and even strangers.  And yes, FB - totally bogus "fa*t-chickers" on there - they aren't concerned about your health at ALL. I kind of "check-in" there and sometimes share info knowing I might end up in FB jail if I do...haven't yet though. :)

My sister and niece, both retired and kind-hearted people, have both been in "jail" because they were Trump supporters.  They stuck with FB.   I deleted FB.  

The amount of closet scientists and infectious disease experts, biologists, pathologists just about every "gist" has surfaced on Facebook to "show what you know" or aka ... copy n paste what you read somewhere... is uncanny! I never knew I KNEW so many .

Let's all just shift our focus and say a prayer for those who are dealing with this terrible virus, those who have lost loved ones, I'm so sorry... my heart and my prayers are with you... those who are sick,  I pray for healing, those who are uncertain and scared, I pray for your peace of mind and pray you can feel certain in whatever decision you make, it will serve you the best. I pray for our doctors and nurses dealing with this daily.. I pray for their health and their endurance. I pray that God will heal our land and restore our health.

It's a different vaccine that is FDA approved, but it doesn't come on the market for a several months. At least that is what I was told. I think it's Corminaty?

I am an Advanced Practice Nurse for forty years, in bloody ers and floor and clinics, nothing has scared me as bad as this Covid virus, we lost our vet 2 days ago, will bury him the day after tomorrow, I wanted to scream at him why did he not get the vaccine,  now if something happens to my horses I will have to travel out of town.  He was kind and funny and dependable.  I believe he was taking ivermec expecting to get better.  And now I am so depressed with these joe f222king Blow down the street has some story about some friends relative that got better, I got news ivermec did not help anyone and in the future it will not help anyone.  Dumbasses need to get vaccinated, you do not want to die on a ventilator in a covid unit, they will throw your body in one of the cooling trucks waiting in the back of the hospital.  This in the black and white of the matter.  98 percent of covid patients are UNVACCINATED,  98 percent are UNVACCINATED,  19,000 kids hospitalized in the US today,  you are gonna kill all of us, because you are afraid and making the people around you afraid...  I go for my booster next month.

You could not get in the first grade of school without your vaccinations, think about it, if you want choice go somewhere you won't kill the person who gets too close without a mask.  Killing people is not a choice, it is negligence. 

doubl whjammy  covide and a uti

i went to tally goty that 4 shot thing  feeling better just tired  fever 100  oxgen  97   no appitie  milk  and water

weak  last nitgt  my transer was terribe czll my brother an pam to help as i just could not do son what to come dpwn said no  i f i get south anne will call

the congestion sared me as hard to cough  being a quad but its gone

I just had to add ..... ONLY on FB ......not BHW ??????

I have no doubt this will continue to be politicized and people will have varying opinions. I also have no doubt that some will disagree with my stance and the choice I made, especially since I am a Conservative. My stance is, I will never advocate for the forcing of people to take a vaccine.BUT - I don't know how there can still be people out there who believe this virus isn't very real and can affect even healthy people to the point of death.

I guess I consider those who haven't seen some people who shouldn't have died, die.... lucky. I can only assume the reasons some even healthy people are affected so gravely can be based on viral load and/or genetics. I wasn't willing to take that risk so I made the personal choice to get vaccinated. I hadn't been vaccinated against anything in 45 years! After I spoke to a doc I trust, I chose Pfizer and I am happy to say I had zero issues. I know some people have and I know they can be severe as many medications can cause. I was very scared of those side effects as well because I can be reactive, but I decided to move ahead. If I have future health issues from this, I will have to cross that bridge when I come to it. Albeit I've had blood draws and physicals since and nothing has been negatively affected. 

This does spark a question I've had for a while though. Why are so many people who poo-poo'd the vaccine for being rushed (which mRNA vaccines aren't new), or having negative side effects, or not being fully FDA approved, or now expecting FDA to pull full authorization, or that it doesn't protect you from getting Covid (as many vaccines don't, it does protect you with a 95% chance of not being hospitalized if you DO get it) - why are some of those same people fully on board to receive monoclonal antibodies (Regeneron) as treatment if they get Covid? That was also rushed, not FDA approved, has potential side effects, and puts SYNTHETIC antibodies into your body. So....... that's ok but a vaccine that sends a messenger to your cells on a fat lipid carrier, doesn't penetrate the nucleus to alter DNA, creates natural antibodies, and then leaves your body is not ok? I personally just don't understand the logic, but I digress.

I will wrap up by reiterating what I said earlier...... I couldn't care less what people choose to do with their own bodies. I fully support the freedom to choose. You don't want a vaccine, don't get a vaccine. I also couldn't care less what people think of the choice I made. I will live with any consequences that may arise (I don't think there will be). That is my freedom to choose.

Edited for spelling...... and a quick add.

As a nurse that works on a covid floor, I wish they would video tape a whole shift for everyone to see what is really going on. Some of you may change your minds. 

PSA if you or your loved one ends up in the hospital listen to your nurses and RTs they are not yelling at you to be mean, they are yelling to keep you alive! 

Here watch this and others can see it. 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KR4ifeGxdQw 

I will NOT take the jab, but I do get your question on the Regeneron. I wonder, also.

Glad you don't have any side effects that you can tell.

It is not a vacc*ne though.

I, also, want people to be able to make their OWN decisions about their healthcare, but I DO care about everyone here, and I do not like the deceit.

The "virus" was created for the "vacc*ne." 

God bless BHW.

Please keep us in the loop - was concerned to read this. Hope you are feeling better soon.

doing a lot better  got the 4 shots saturday  sunday  turning corner no fever last 2 day  hungry but can/t choke it down   oxgen  is scarey  levels at night down 82 last night final got up too 94   slept well  dr said  covid makes ur levels swn but if stayed down head to er

Prayers. If you can, sleep on your stomach. 

Thinking of you,praying you are feeling better.

Just wondering how you are doing??

There have always been illnesses. It is a part of life that we have to learn to live with

doing  good  i think have turned corner   slept from 8pm to 530am

temp  good

starved but  a couple bites i am thru    this crap sucks  not use to being sick  i never am  moral never say never  haha

never ost taste or smell

thank you all