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Location: Randolph, Utah | I'm curious how many people are being asked to get the vaccine from their employers, mostly wondering about non health care jobs. How do you feel about employers wanting to require the vaccine? How many of you are having to pick between your job and getting the shot? This is not a bash your employer or bash the vaccine thread, I'm just curious what everyone is experiencing. | |
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Location: Illinois | I think if you mandate one, it's not fair to mandate all. And make sure no employees have other communicable diseases as well. I would walk away, I'd make more on unemployment right now. It's probbaly going to come, they're offering bonuses to those who get them now. People should be allowed to do what they want. Based on the hospitals doing it in my area, they're losing nearly 1,000 employees. And finsing few wanting to fill postitions, and most of them are suing. So it's going to hit them pretty hard. I would assume the same for other businesses. They already can't find help as it is and it'll be worse if they require vaccines. The unemployment rate will skyrocket & people will lose their businesses until there's nothing left. And I also feel that if you're going to require it and something happens to someone, a reaction. Their medical should be covered by the company, what isn't covered by insurance. It should be that way with anything "mandated" to keep your job. | |
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| My employer will not be requiring it, but everyone here has been vaccinated anyway.
I don't frown upon employers that are requiring it. We/my husband runs a construction business. If all of his employees were sick at one time he would be crippled and many jobs would come to a screeching halt in an already backed up industry - this is our livlihood. Its a huge business decision to make and it's not an easy one. My husband and I are both vaccianted for that very reason, to avoid having to pull out of work. Yes I do realize the vaccine doesn't offer 100% protection but couldn't take the risk without it either. With that said, at this time he does not require his employees to be vaccinated but many have made that decision themselves already.
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Location: Illinois | WrapN3MN - 2021-08-25 1:37 PM
My employer will not be requiring it, but everyone here has been vaccinated anyway.
I don't frown upon employers that are requiring it. We/my husband runs a construction business. If all of his employees were sick at one time he would be crippled and many jobs would come to a screeching halt in an already backed up industry - this is our livlihood. Its a huge business decision to make and it's not an easy one. My husband and I are both vaccianted for that very reason, to avoid having to pull out of work. Yes I do realize the vaccine doesn't offer 100% protection but couldn't take the risk without it either. With that said, at this time he does not require his employees to be vaccinated but many have made that decision themselves already.
I get that side of it. But my company is opposite, Out of 50 of us only 16 have gotten the vaccine and the rest are not budging. Money isn't even persuading them. We've only had 4 test postive so far, and weren't sick so as soon as their 10 days were done they were back and they were all last year. If they do come to a point where they require it, those 16 people will not keep the company going and the doors will close to a business that's been operating for almost 40 years. We build tanks/dryers for places like ADM, which takes time. And none of it is prepaid work, so if we lost workforce and couldn't supply on time they'd pull the project from us. Leaving us with millions $ in material we already bought and no longer need. We can barely even find welders when we need them, not because they're not out there, they just don't want to work. So I think either way, buinesses are going to be hit if they do or don't. If we get to a point where work is caught up and we don't have high dollar jobs coming in that require expensive material, they might make us be vaccinated. I think they're going to see how it plays out with some other businesses first though. Its going to be a ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't type deal. If they would cut off the uneployment I think business would have a better shot a surviving if they do require vaccines. Cities like New York, mandating it for restraunts and things are now going to be solely dependent on a much smaller pool of customers. I can't imaging that'll be great for business either, when it comes to places to eat and workout, they need us more than we need them | |
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WrapN3MN - 2021-08-25 1:37 PM
My employer will not be requiring it, but everyone here has been vaccinated anyway.
I don't frown upon employers that are requiring it. We/my husband runs a construction business. If all of his employees were sick at one time he would be crippled and many jobs would come to a screeching halt in an already backed up industry - this is our livlihood. Its a huge business decision to make and it's not an easy one. My husband and I are both vaccianted for that very reason, to avoid having to pull out of work. Yes I do realize the vaccine doesn't offer 100% protection but couldn't take the risk without it either. With that said, at this time he does not require his employees to be vaccinated but many have made that decision themselves already.
I get that side of it. But my company is opposite, Out of 50 of us only 16 have gotten the vaccine and the rest are not budging. Money isn't even persuading them. We've only had 4 test postive so far, and weren't sick so as soon as their 10 days were done they were back and they were all last year. If they do come to a point where they require it, those 16 people will not keep the company going and the doors will close to a business that's been operating for almost 40 years. We build tanks/dryers for places like ADM, which takes time. And none of it is prepaid work, so if we lost workforce and couldn't supply on time they'd pull the project from us. Leaving us with millions $ in material we already bought and no longer need. We can barely even find welders when we need them, not because they're not out there, they just don't want to work. So I think either way, buinesses are going to be hit if they do or don't. If we get to a point where work is caught up and we don't have high dollar jobs coming in that require expensive material, they might make us be vaccinated. I think they're going to see how it plays out with some other businesses first though. Its going to be a ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't type deal. If they would cut off the uneployment I think business would have a better shot a surviving if they do require vaccines. Cities like New York, mandating it for restraunts and things are now going to be solely dependent on a much smaller pool of customers. I can't imaging that'll be great for business either, when it comes to places to eat and workout, they need us more than we need them
It is funny that all who are so adamant about "capitalism" should NOW be upset that OWNERS of THEIR businesses can make ANY rule they want that will further "their" agenda ...... to make money! | |
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| well if the covid was 100 % vaccinne it would work like small pox or polio vaccinne only its not its a dam shot that is barely works side effects are know you still can get it and die even if everyone is 100% vaccinned as the cruise ship just proved now there is a 3 type of covid they have just said thaty the shot is only 50% eeffect after 6 months. in other words they don/t know nothing concrete i agre if your company mandated u get then youi get really advesve effect hell yes they should pay everthing covid is making the world a police state | |
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WrapN3MN - 2021-08-25 1:37 PM
My employer will not be requiring it, but everyone here has been vaccinated anyway.
I don't frown upon employers that are requiring it. We/my husband runs a construction business. If all of his employees were sick at one time he would be crippled and many jobs would come to a screeching halt in an already backed up industry - this is our livlihood. Its a huge business decision to make and it's not an easy one. My husband and I are both vaccianted for that very reason, to avoid having to pull out of work. Yes I do realize the vaccine doesn't offer 100% protection but couldn't take the risk without it either. With that said, at this time he does not require his employees to be vaccinated but many have made that decision themselves already.
I get that side of it. But my company is opposite, Out of 50 of us only 16 have gotten the vaccine and the rest are not budging. Money isn't even persuading them. We've only had 4 test postive so far, and weren't sick so as soon as their 10 days were done they were back and they were all last year. If they do come to a point where they require it, those 16 people will not keep the company going and the doors will close to a business that's been operating for almost 40 years. We build tanks/dryers for places like ADM, which takes time. And none of it is prepaid work, so if we lost workforce and couldn't supply on time they'd pull the project from us. Leaving us with millions $ in material we already bought and no longer need. We can barely even find welders when we need them, not because they're not out there, they just don't want to work. So I think either way, buinesses are going to be hit if they do or don't. If we get to a point where work is caught up and we don't have high dollar jobs coming in that require expensive material, they might make us be vaccinated. I think they're going to see how it plays out with some other businesses first though. Its going to be a ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't type deal. If they would cut off the uneployment I think business would have a better shot a surviving if they do require vaccines. Cities like New York, mandating it for restraunts and things are now going to be solely dependent on a much smaller pool of customers. I can't imaging that'll be great for business either, when it comes to places to eat and workout, they need us more than we need them
It is funny that all who are so adamant about "capitalism" should NOW be upset that OWNERS of THEIR businesses can make ANY rule they want that will further "their" agenda ...... to make money!
I assume you're on the side of communism then? But somewhat fair point, but affecting the health of those making the money for you is a gray area thats not really had much of an issue before. If my employer did and I moved on somewhere else and they contnued to thrive, then power to them. Do I think you should put their health and life at risk so you don't get a cold spreading around your office? Probably not. If you want to do so, power to you, good luck with your business. I'm stating my opinion based on the fact that we have very few business that aren't big chains left. And the couple we do have left are currently only opening for 2-3 days instead of the normal 6-7. Restaurants are open for one meal time instead of all 3 as normal. Because they can't get people to work. And if they were to lose these employees they do have, they probably can't stay open. I don't want to see people being forced to do soemthing they don't want, or see more of my favorite places shut down because of a rule. And if you mandate the employees, you have to mandate the customers, which quickens the process of shutting doors down. Its going to completely collapse the economy over a cold | |
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WrapN3MN - 2021-08-25 1:37 PM
My employer will not be requiring it, but everyone here has been vaccinated anyway.
I don't frown upon employers that are requiring it. We/my husband runs a construction business. If all of his employees were sick at one time he would be crippled and many jobs would come to a screeching halt in an already backed up industry - this is our livlihood. Its a huge business decision to make and it's not an easy one. My husband and I are both vaccianted for that very reason, to avoid having to pull out of work. Yes I do realize the vaccine doesn't offer 100% protection but couldn't take the risk without it either. With that said, at this time he does not require his employees to be vaccinated but many have made that decision themselves already.
I get that side of it. But my company is opposite, Out of 50 of us only 16 have gotten the vaccine and the rest are not budging. Money isn't even persuading them. We've only had 4 test postive so far, and weren't sick so as soon as their 10 days were done they were back and they were all last year. If they do come to a point where they require it, those 16 people will not keep the company going and the doors will close to a business that's been operating for almost 40 years. We build tanks/dryers for places like ADM, which takes time. And none of it is prepaid work, so if we lost workforce and couldn't supply on time they'd pull the project from us. Leaving us with millions $ in material we already bought and no longer need. We can barely even find welders when we need them, not because they're not out there, they just don't want to work. So I think either way, buinesses are going to be hit if they do or don't. If we get to a point where work is caught up and we don't have high dollar jobs coming in that require expensive material, they might make us be vaccinated. I think they're going to see how it plays out with some other businesses first though. Its going to be a ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't type deal. If they would cut off the uneployment I think business would have a better shot a surviving if they do require vaccines. Cities like New York, mandating it for restraunts and things are now going to be solely dependent on a much smaller pool of customers. I can't imaging that'll be great for business either, when it comes to places to eat and workout, they need us more than we need them
It is funny that all who are so adamant about "capitalism" should NOW be upset that OWNERS of THEIR businesses can make ANY rule they want that will further "their" agenda ...... to make money!
I assume you're on the side of communism then? But somewhat fair point, but affecting the health of those making the money for you is a gray area thats not really had much of an issue before. If my employer did and I moved on somewhere else and they contnued to thrive, then power to them. Do I think you should put their health and life at risk so you don't get a cold spreading around your office? Probably not. If you want to do so, power to you, good luck with your business. I'm stating my opinion based on the fact that we have very few business that aren't big chains left. And the couple we do have left are currently only opening for 2-3 days instead of the normal 6-7. Restaurants are open for one meal time instead of all 3 as normal. Because they can't get people to work. And if they were to lose these employees they do have, they probably can't stay open. I don't want to see people being forced to do soemthing they don't want, or see more of my favorite places shut down because of a rule. And if you mandate the employees, you have to mandate the customers, which quickens the process of shutting doors down. Its going to completely collapse the economy over a cold
NOW that made me laugh ..... tell that to the families of the 630+ THOUSAND who have died and more on the way ..... | |
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| if your so dam scared of you njj stay home order in and hope what is del is covid free u stay home
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| Just because the immunity decreases after time and you need a booster shot does not mean it doesn't work. Almost every vaccine requires multiple doses. If you follow the recommended childhood vaccination schedule by the time your child enters Kindergarten they will have 5 DTap 4 Polio 4 Hib 4 Pnemococcal 2 MMR 3 Hepatitis B 2 Varicella 2 Hepatitis A | |
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I'm curious how many people are being asked to get the vaccine from their employers, mostly wondering about non health care jobs.
How do you feel about employers wanting to require the vaccine?
How many of you are having to pick between your job and getting the shot?
This is not a bash your employer or bash the vaccine thread, I'm just curious what everyone is experiencing.
I work for state government. The governer announced a few days ago he wants all state workers and those in education to be fully vaccinated by Oct 18 OR be subject to once/twice a week Covid testing. I am not vaccinated and haven't decided yet what I'm going to do. | |
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| So far my employer has only asked that we get vaccinated. They have been great about working from home when we can, giving us time off to get tested or vaccinated, etc. I am already vaccinated and chose to do so after mapping out the pros and cons. I believe it should be a choice to mask up and or get vaccinated, no mandates. But there is a moral responsibility to others in this fight with our choices and we should be mindful of that. I also believe it is an employers right to require vaccines or mask and if you choose not to comply then look for a job that fits within your choices. I believe this virus is here to stay and we are going to have to learn how to live with it. With the current state of the country we just can't shut down again. We are not has healthy or strong of a country we were the first go around and the second go looks to be as bad, maybe worse. | |
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| Watching the news this morning. Delta airlines announced employees must be vaccinated or face weekly covid testing AND will be charged approximately $500 a month to cover those tests deducted from their paychecks. Like a tax. A spokesperson compared it to a person who smokes cigarettes having to pay a little more for Healthcare insurance because they CHOSE to use tobacco products. Wow.. that's ABSURD! Chosing to smoke cigarettes is absolutely NOTHING even close to choosing not to get an experimental rushed vaccine for a thing like covid. Give me a **** break! So was this part of the democratic plan to "create" more jobs? Because so many will be walking away from their employers who are making these ridiculous vaccine demands. They are trying to break us.. wear us down so you just give in and get the vaccine and if you still think this about them wanting to protect YOUR health, please for the love of God and all things good WAKE UP!!!! After talking to 3 of my sons specialists this week, we had appointments with each of them... we are not getting this vaccine any time soon. Even the main oncologist told me, "you're doing everything right by you and your children's health" by me saying I'm not in a hurry to get us vaccinated and still have serious doubts that we should be taking this. He said "I AGREE WITH YOU" want the vaccine?? Go on ahead, no judgment from me. I feel for the people that have to decide between a paycheck and a vaccine... Lord help us, I never thought I'd see this day. It's not about protecting you, or others... never was. | |
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My employer will not be requiring it, but everyone here has been vaccinated anyway.
I don't frown upon employers that are requiring it. We/my husband runs a construction business. If all of his employees were sick at one time he would be crippled and many jobs would come to a screeching halt in an already backed up industry - this is our livlihood. Its a huge business decision to make and it's not an easy one. My husband and I are both vaccianted for that very reason, to avoid having to pull out of work. Yes I do realize the vaccine doesn't offer 100% protection but couldn't take the risk without it either. With that said, at this time he does not require his employees to be vaccinated but many have made that decision themselves already.
I get that side of it. But my company is opposite, Out of 50 of us only 16 have gotten the vaccine and the rest are not budging. Money isn't even persuading them. We've only had 4 test postive so far, and weren't sick so as soon as their 10 days were done they were back and they were all last year. If they do come to a point where they require it, those 16 people will not keep the company going and the doors will close to a business that's been operating for almost 40 years. We build tanks/dryers for places like ADM, which takes time. And none of it is prepaid work, so if we lost workforce and couldn't supply on time they'd pull the project from us. Leaving us with millions $ in material we already bought and no longer need. We can barely even find welders when we need them, not because they're not out there, they just don't want to work. So I think either way, buinesses are going to be hit if they do or don't. If we get to a point where work is caught up and we don't have high dollar jobs coming in that require expensive material, they might make us be vaccinated. I think they're going to see how it plays out with some other businesses first though. Its going to be a ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't type deal. If they would cut off the uneployment I think business would have a better shot a surviving if they do require vaccines. Cities like New York, mandating it for restraunts and things are now going to be solely dependent on a much smaller pool of customers. I can't imaging that'll be great for business either, when it comes to places to eat and workout, they need us more than we need them
It is funny that all who are so adamant about "capitalism" should NOW be upset that OWNERS of THEIR businesses can make ANY rule they want that will further "their" agenda ...... to make money!
I assume you're on the side of communism then? But somewhat fair point, but affecting the health of those making the money for you is a gray area thats not really had much of an issue before. If my employer did and I moved on somewhere else and they contnued to thrive, then power to them. Do I think you should put their health and life at risk so you don't get a cold spreading around your office? Probably not. If you want to do so, power to you, good luck with your business. I'm stating my opinion based on the fact that we have very few business that aren't big chains left. And the couple we do have left are currently only opening for 2-3 days instead of the normal 6-7. Restaurants are open for one meal time instead of all 3 as normal. Because they can't get people to work. And if they were to lose these employees they do have, they probably can't stay open. I don't want to see people being forced to do soemthing they don't want, or see more of my favorite places shut down because of a rule. And if you mandate the employees, you have to mandate the customers, which quickens the process of shutting doors down. Its going to completely collapse the economy over a cold
NOW that made me laugh ..... tell that to the families of the 630+ THOUSAND who have died and more on the way .....
How about the nearly 3 million people a year that die from obesity? Where's the big push to prevent those deaths? Oh yeah, we actually push and promote in FAVOR of those deaths....hard. Yeah lots of people died from covid, but whats the real number for actual covid and whats the real number for comobiditues? Because if you tested positive and then died in a car accident, guess whats on your death cert right now...BOTH. Hell even the CDC website has said this whole time some of the deaths aren't even covid positive that are counted. So I'd really like to know the real, honest numbers. Since again, even the doctors at our big city hospital are saying the numbers are fake as hellllll & not to worry about it...the one's with the empty, but reported full ICU beds to the media so they cna get funding. I'm not AT ALL saying its not real, but its a significantly less deal than they're making it out to be. Thats just common sense and even the facts are there to back it up. Talk to a hospital accountant that isn't afraid to come clean, it would blow your mind what they're doing to spin covid into more money in the hospital pocket. And if they're doing it here you be they're doing it everywhere. If you want to take the vaccine great, if not just as great. Again, our health is nobody elses concern. Yours is not mine, mine is not yours. And if you're running around the street doing something because you're concerned how it might affect me...you're an idiot | |
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Watching the news this morning. Delta airlines announced employees must be vaccinated or face weekly covid testing AND will be charged approximately $500 a month to cover those tests deducted from their paychecks. Like a tax. A spokesperson compared it to a person who smokes cigarettes having to pay a little more for Healthcare insurance because they CHOSE to use tobacco products. Wow.. that's ABSURD! Chosing to smoke cigarettes is absolutely NOTHING even close to choosing not to get an experimental rushed vaccine for a thing like covid. Give me a **** break! So was this part of the democratic plan to "create" more jobs? Because so many will be walking away from their employers who are making these ridiculous vaccine demands. They are trying to break us.. wear us down so you just give in and get the vaccine and if you still think this about them wanting to protect YOUR health, please for the love of God and all things good WAKE UP!!!! After talking to 3 of my sons specialists this week, we had appointments with each of them... we are not getting this vaccine any time soon. Even the main oncologist told me, "you're doing everything right by you and your children's health" by me saying I'm not in a hurry to get us vaccinated and still have serious doubts that we should be taking this. He said "I AGREE WITH YOU"
want the vaccine?? Go on ahead, no judgment from me. I feel for the people that have to decide between a paycheck and a vaccine... Lord help us, I never thought I'd see this day. It's not about protecting you, or others... never was.
I have read several of your post and you seem very conflicted over this. You also say no judgement from you but you are in a manner of speaking judging. First thing we all need to do is leave the politics out of it when we are trying to decide what is best for us. I could sit here and trash both parties equally on Covid but what would it accomplish? It is not just left leaning companies that are implementing new policies regarding covid and where some may see them as ridiculous there is an entire other half that will see them as necessary. I could sit here and rattle off all the professionals I consulted and the research I did in making my decision to get vaccinated but not mask up, but that means nothing to the next person having to make the decision. My circumstances may be entirely different. I wish everyone well in the decisions they are having to make over Covid. It is a difficult time for us all. | |
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My employer will not be requiring it, but everyone here has been vaccinated anyway.
I don't frown upon employers that are requiring it. We/my husband runs a construction business. If all of his employees were sick at one time he would be crippled and many jobs would come to a screeching halt in an already backed up industry - this is our livlihood. Its a huge business decision to make and it's not an easy one. My husband and I are both vaccianted for that very reason, to avoid having to pull out of work. Yes I do realize the vaccine doesn't offer 100% protection but couldn't take the risk without it either. With that said, at this time he does not require his employees to be vaccinated but many have made that decision themselves already.
I get that side of it. But my company is opposite, Out of 50 of us only 16 have gotten the vaccine and the rest are not budging. Money isn't even persuading them. We've only had 4 test postive so far, and weren't sick so as soon as their 10 days were done they were back and they were all last year. If they do come to a point where they require it, those 16 people will not keep the company going and the doors will close to a business that's been operating for almost 40 years. We build tanks/dryers for places like ADM, which takes time. And none of it is prepaid work, so if we lost workforce and couldn't supply on time they'd pull the project from us. Leaving us with millions $ in material we already bought and no longer need. We can barely even find welders when we need them, not because they're not out there, they just don't want to work. So I think either way, buinesses are going to be hit if they do or don't. If we get to a point where work is caught up and we don't have high dollar jobs coming in that require expensive material, they might make us be vaccinated. I think they're going to see how it plays out with some other businesses first though. Its going to be a ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't type deal. If they would cut off the uneployment I think business would have a better shot a surviving if they do require vaccines. Cities like New York, mandating it for restraunts and things are now going to be solely dependent on a much smaller pool of customers. I can't imaging that'll be great for business either, when it comes to places to eat and workout, they need us more than we need them
It is funny that all who are so adamant about "capitalism" should NOW be upset that OWNERS of THEIR businesses can make ANY rule they want that will further "their" agenda ...... to make money!
I assume you're on the side of communism then? But somewhat fair point, but affecting the health of those making the money for you is a gray area thats not really had much of an issue before. If my employer did and I moved on somewhere else and they contnued to thrive, then power to them. Do I think you should put their health and life at risk so you don't get a cold spreading around your office? Probably not. If you want to do so, power to you, good luck with your business. I'm stating my opinion based on the fact that we have very few business that aren't big chains left. And the couple we do have left are currently only opening for 2-3 days instead of the normal 6-7. Restaurants are open for one meal time instead of all 3 as normal. Because they can't get people to work. And if they were to lose these employees they do have, they probably can't stay open. I don't want to see people being forced to do soemthing they don't want, or see more of my favorite places shut down because of a rule. And if you mandate the employees, you have to mandate the customers, which quickens the process of shutting doors down. Its going to completely collapse the economy over a cold
NOW that made me laugh ..... tell that to the families of the 630+ THOUSAND who have died and more on the way .....
How about the nearly 3 million people a year that die from obesity? Where's the big push to prevent those deaths? Oh yeah, we actually push and promote in FAVOR of those deaths....hard. Yeah lots of people died from covid, but whats the real number for actual covid and whats the real number for comobiditues? Because if you tested positive and then died in a car accident, guess whats on your death cert right now...BOTH. Hell even the CDC website has said this whole time some of the deaths aren't even covid positive that are counted. So I'd really like to know the real, honest numbers. Since again, even the doctors at our big city hospital are saying the numbers are fake as hellllll & not to worry about it...the one's with the empty, but reported full ICU beds to the media so they cna get funding. I'm not AT ALL saying its not real, but its a significantly less deal than they're making it out to be. Thats just common sense and even the facts are there to back it up. Talk to a hospital accountant that isn't afraid to come clean, it would blow your mind what they're doing to spin covid into more money in the hospital pocket. And if they're doing it here you be they're doing it everywhere. If you want to take the vaccine great, if not just as great. Again, our health is nobody elses concern. Yours is not mine, mine is not yours. And if you're running around the street doing something because you're concerned how it might affect me...you're an idiot
There you go trying to muddy the water with false statistics .....comparing covid deaths in the U.S. (630+ thousand) to the obesity deaths (3M GLOBALLY) is like comparing apples to oranges. Actual figures for the US is between 200-300K per year attributed to obesity ..... NOW let's take your scenario of a car accident victim being counted as a covid death ....what about the obesity "deaths" being counted that could actually be heart attacks or lung-kidney-liver problems? YOU can try to "skew" statistics anyway you want ...... BUT ...... the "Covid virus" is NOT JUST A COLD ...... and you are the IDIOT to compare it that way! You make a lot of general statements about this person says this and this person says that about funding, ICU beds etc but you never provide ANY proof or names etc .... It's exactly like the old tired stories of I have a friend, who has a friend, who has a cousin, who has a girlfriend, whose father's barber told him blah....blah....blah about the vaccine, drugs, and more blah....blah....blah | |
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My employer will not be requiring it, but everyone here has been vaccinated anyway.
I don't frown upon employers that are requiring it. We/my husband runs a construction business. If all of his employees were sick at one time he would be crippled and many jobs would come to a screeching halt in an already backed up industry - this is our livlihood. Its a huge business decision to make and it's not an easy one. My husband and I are both vaccianted for that very reason, to avoid having to pull out of work. Yes I do realize the vaccine doesn't offer 100% protection but couldn't take the risk without it either. With that said, at this time he does not require his employees to be vaccinated but many have made that decision themselves already.
I get that side of it. But my company is opposite, Out of 50 of us only 16 have gotten the vaccine and the rest are not budging. Money isn't even persuading them. We've only had 4 test postive so far, and weren't sick so as soon as their 10 days were done they were back and they were all last year. If they do come to a point where they require it, those 16 people will not keep the company going and the doors will close to a business that's been operating for almost 40 years. We build tanks/dryers for places like ADM, which takes time. And none of it is prepaid work, so if we lost workforce and couldn't supply on time they'd pull the project from us. Leaving us with millions $ in material we already bought and no longer need. We can barely even find welders when we need them, not because they're not out there, they just don't want to work. So I think either way, buinesses are going to be hit if they do or don't. If we get to a point where work is caught up and we don't have high dollar jobs coming in that require expensive material, they might make us be vaccinated. I think they're going to see how it plays out with some other businesses first though. Its going to be a ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't type deal. If they would cut off the uneployment I think business would have a better shot a surviving if they do require vaccines. Cities like New York, mandating it for restraunts and things are now going to be solely dependent on a much smaller pool of customers. I can't imaging that'll be great for business either, when it comes to places to eat and workout, they need us more than we need them
It is funny that all who are so adamant about "capitalism" should NOW be upset that OWNERS of THEIR businesses can make ANY rule they want that will further "their" agenda ...... to make money!
I assume you're on the side of communism then? But somewhat fair point, but affecting the health of those making the money for you is a gray area thats not really had much of an issue before. If my employer did and I moved on somewhere else and they contnued to thrive, then power to them. Do I think you should put their health and life at risk so you don't get a cold spreading around your office? Probably not. If you want to do so, power to you, good luck with your business. I'm stating my opinion based on the fact that we have very few business that aren't big chains left. And the couple we do have left are currently only opening for 2-3 days instead of the normal 6-7. Restaurants are open for one meal time instead of all 3 as normal. Because they can't get people to work. And if they were to lose these employees they do have, they probably can't stay open. I don't want to see people being forced to do soemthing they don't want, or see more of my favorite places shut down because of a rule. And if you mandate the employees, you have to mandate the customers, which quickens the process of shutting doors down. Its going to completely collapse the economy over a cold
NOW that made me laugh ..... tell that to the families of the 630+ THOUSAND who have died and more on the way .....
How about the nearly 3 million people a year that die from obesity? Where's the big push to prevent those deaths? Oh yeah, we actually push and promote in FAVOR of those deaths....hard. Yeah lots of people died from covid, but whats the real number for actual covid and whats the real number for comobiditues? Because if you tested positive and then died in a car accident, guess whats on your death cert right now...BOTH. Hell even the CDC website has said this whole time some of the deaths aren't even covid positive that are counted. So I'd really like to know the real, honest numbers. Since again, even the doctors at our big city hospital are saying the numbers are fake as hellllll & not to worry about it...the one's with the empty, but reported full ICU beds to the media so they cna get funding. I'm not AT ALL saying its not real, but its a significantly less deal than they're making it out to be. Thats just common sense and even the facts are there to back it up. Talk to a hospital accountant that isn't afraid to come clean, it would blow your mind what they're doing to spin covid into more money in the hospital pocket. And if they're doing it here you be they're doing it everywhere. If you want to take the vaccine great, if not just as great. Again, our health is nobody elses concern. Yours is not mine, mine is not yours. And if you're running around the street doing something because you're concerned how it might affect me...you're an idiot
There you go trying to muddy the water with false statistics .....comparing covid deaths in the U.S. (630+ thousand) to the obesity deaths (3M GLOBALLY) is like comparing apples to oranges. Actual figures for the US is between 200-300K per year attributed to obesity ..... NOW let's take your scenario of a car accident victim being counted as a covid death ....what about the obesity "deaths" being counted that could actually be heart attacks or lung-kidney-liver problems? YOU can try to "skew" statistics anyway you want ...... BUT ...... the "Covid virus" is NOT JUST A COLD ...... and you are the IDIOT to compare it that way!
You make a lot of general statements about this person says this and this person says that about funding, ICU beds etc but you never provide ANY proof or names etc .... It's exactly like the old tired stories of I have a friend, who has a friend, who has a cousin, who has a girlfriend, whose father's barber told him blah....blah....blah about the vaccine, drugs, and more blah....blah....blah
SO I'm supposed to publicly give the names and throw them under the bus to lose their jobs to make you happy? No thanks | |
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| Those that don't want or aren't convinced that the vax is a good thing are the ones being judged the most here. Yes I'm conflicted... 100% that's a given. I'm just a mom who wants what's best for my family and kids .. I'm not going to blindly accept what's being fed to me .. I'm going to question and question some more until I'm satisfied... that's what I do and that's supposed to be my right. Right now with what IVE READ and researching I'm not headed to the clinic for the shot. No thank you. And out of curiousity Just how many of this 600PLUS thousand that have died from covid, really died from ONLY covid and no other underlying health issues and while we are at it, how many of those souls had been vaccinated. .. I read 5% was the actual # that were 100% the result from Covid. it doesn't matter at this point anyway, on here, if you're convinced the vax is needed, do it, if not, like me.. keep seeking information and questioning and be prepared to be called selfish, foolish and un-informed and a conspiracist.
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| And I am not trying to come across as being judgemental. Truly isn't my intention. I'm not arguing against the people that are CHOOSING to get the vax, I'm arguing against the people that are telling me I'm being ridiculous for questioning and not agreeing with people being forced to take it to keep their jobs, travel... and whatnot. That's my problem with it. I think our government is terrible, no doubt, but that's not why I'm not excited about this vaccine. Do I think they are using it? Absolutely. | |
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| want2chase3 - 2021-08-26 1:13 PM
And I am not trying to come across as being judgemental. Truly isn't my intention. I'm not arguing against the people that are CHOOSING to get the vax, I'm arguing against the people that are telling me I'm being ridiculous for questioning and not agreeing with people being forced to take it to keep their jobs, travel... and whatnot. That's my problem with it. I think our government is terrible, no doubt, but that's not why I'm not excited about this vaccine. Do I think they are using it? Absolutely.
I don't know if this will help you at all or if it is anything you are looking for, but today my sweet cousin sent the number to a clinic that has a prevention protocol and a treatment protocol for Covid. It includes ivermectin. This doctor has treated lots and lots of folks with an extremely high rate of success. If you are interested, I'll PM you the number. It's for Texas folks only as far as I know. | |
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Location: Randolph, Utah | My company hasn't mandated the vaccine, yet, but they are strongy encouraging it. We are a small shop, less than 30 employees, I think 4 are vaccinated. Our corporate office is about 60% vaccinated. I know a few that have said they will walk out if we are forced to get the vaccine. I do not like the feeling of having my job held over my head over the shot. I fully believe it should be our own choice. I like my job, I've been here 8 years, have good benefits, vacation time, and a lot of freedom, I do not want to start over. Then I wonder how many other companies are going to mandate it, so does it do any good to find another job. Unfortunately, I cannot afford to just walk away, I have to work. This was a lot of rambling, but if it comes down to my job or the shot, I don't know what I'll do. | |
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Location: /ARKANSAS | I am a nurse practitioner for the past forty years, and I could not wait to get the vaccine, I am deathly afraid of the virus, I hate being sick, when I check breath sounds on patients I do it from the side, I don't let people breathe on me. I take the flu vaccine every year, I believe my body takes the hint, I have never had the flu. I believe everyone should take the flu shot, I will take my booster in 2 months and I hope I don't get really sick, but I want to know that I do have antibodies. We have a prayer going now everyone I could fb or call. Our veternarian was shipped to a large hospital because he was going down hill with covid. I am devastated that he could die, ventilator, renal failure everyone worried and praying. The vaccine will keep you out of the hospital, all the patients in the hospital only 1-2 percent have been vaccinated. Most of the really sick 98 percent have not been vaccinated. | |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | for all these small companies talking about mandating the shot, what are your policys on quarentine? If the kids come home due to close contact do you ask your employees to stay home because they are around them? Trying to run a small business as an HR rep these days is like walking through a land mine field left over from vietnam....... And with insurance renewals looming at the end of the year, there is talk that any new plan will require vaccinated employees only to get insured. | |
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| luluwhit - 2021-09-01 10:05 AM
for all these small companies talking about mandating the shot, what are your policys on quarentine? If the kids come home due to close contact do you ask your employees to stay home because they are around them? Trying to run a small business as an HR rep these days is like walking through a land mine field left over from vietnam.......
And with insurance renewals looming at the end of the year, there is talk that any new plan will require vaccinated employees only to get insured.
And that right there is when it is no longer about them actually caring about your health. It's control.... I'm waiting for insurance companies to do this. You can't get health insurance if you don't have your vax card.... or you will pay double or triple the amount because you're a sorry unvaxed individual. | |
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Location: Kansas | fastwrapn3 - 2021-08-31 8:42 PM
I am a nurse practitioner for the past forty years, and I could not wait to get the vaccine, I am deathly afraid of the virus, I hate being sick, when I check breath sounds on patients I do it from the side, I don't let people breathe on me. I take the flu vaccine every year, I believe my body takes the hint, I have never had the flu. I believe everyone should take the flu shot, I will take my booster in 2 months and I hope I don't get really sick, but I want to know that I do have antibodies. We have a prayer going now everyone I could fb or call. Our veternarian was shipped to a large hospital because he was going down hill with covid. I am devastated that he could die, ventilator, renal failure everyone worried and praying. The vaccine will keep you out of the hospital, all the patients in the hospital only 1-2 percent have been vaccinated. Most of the really sick 98 percent have not been vaccinated.
I read this morning where two teachers in Texas have died from Covid-19. There again, 1000 migrants a day are crossing into border states one out of five are infected. | |
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My employer will not be requiring it, but everyone here has been vaccinated anyway.
I don't frown upon employers that are requiring it. We/my husband runs a construction business. If all of his employees were sick at one time he would be crippled and many jobs would come to a screeching halt in an already backed up industry - this is our livlihood. Its a huge business decision to make and it's not an easy one. My husband and I are both vaccianted for that very reason, to avoid having to pull out of work. Yes I do realize the vaccine doesn't offer 100% protection but couldn't take the risk without it either. With that said, at this time he does not require his employees to be vaccinated but many have made that decision themselves already.
I get that side of it. But my company is opposite, Out of 50 of us only 16 have gotten the vaccine and the rest are not budging. Money isn't even persuading them. We've only had 4 test postive so far, and weren't sick so as soon as their 10 days were done they were back and they were all last year. If they do come to a point where they require it, those 16 people will not keep the company going and the doors will close to a business that's been operating for almost 40 years. We build tanks/dryers for places like ADM, which takes time. And none of it is prepaid work, so if we lost workforce and couldn't supply on time they'd pull the project from us. Leaving us with millions $ in material we already bought and no longer need. We can barely even find welders when we need them, not because they're not out there, they just don't want to work. So I think either way, buinesses are going to be hit if they do or don't. If we get to a point where work is caught up and we don't have high dollar jobs coming in that require expensive material, they might make us be vaccinated. I think they're going to see how it plays out with some other businesses first though. Its going to be a ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't type deal. If they would cut off the uneployment I think business would have a better shot a surviving if they do require vaccines. Cities like New York, mandating it for restraunts and things are now going to be solely dependent on a much smaller pool of customers. I can't imaging that'll be great for business either, when it comes to places to eat and workout, they need us more than we need them
It is funny that all who are so adamant about "capitalism" should NOW be upset that OWNERS of THEIR businesses can make ANY rule they want that will further "their" agenda ...... to make money!
I assume you're on the side of communism then? But somewhat fair point, but affecting the health of those making the money for you is a gray area thats not really had much of an issue before. If my employer did and I moved on somewhere else and they contnued to thrive, then power to them. Do I think you should put their health and life at risk so you don't get a cold spreading around your office? Probably not. If you want to do so, power to you, good luck with your business. I'm stating my opinion based on the fact that we have very few business that aren't big chains left. And the couple we do have left are currently only opening for 2-3 days instead of the normal 6-7. Restaurants are open for one meal time instead of all 3 as normal. Because they can't get people to work. And if they were to lose these employees they do have, they probably can't stay open. I don't want to see people being forced to do soemthing they don't want, or see more of my favorite places shut down because of a rule. And if you mandate the employees, you have to mandate the customers, which quickens the process of shutting doors down. Its going to completely collapse the economy over a cold
NOW that made me laugh ..... tell that to the families of the 630+ THOUSAND who have died and more on the way .....
How about the nearly 3 million people a year that die from obesity? Where's the big push to prevent those deaths? Oh yeah, we actually push and promote in FAVOR of those deaths....hard. Yeah lots of people died from covid, but whats the real number for actual covid and whats the real number for comobiditues? Because if you tested positive and then died in a car accident, guess whats on your death cert right now...BOTH. Hell even the CDC website has said this whole time some of the deaths aren't even covid positive that are counted. So I'd really like to know the real, honest numbers. Since again, even the doctors at our big city hospital are saying the numbers are fake as hellllll & not to worry about it...the one's with the empty, but reported full ICU beds to the media so they cna get funding. I'm not AT ALL saying its not real, but its a significantly less deal than they're making it out to be. Thats just common sense and even the facts are there to back it up. Talk to a hospital accountant that isn't afraid to come clean, it would blow your mind what they're doing to spin covid into more money in the hospital pocket. And if they're doing it here you be they're doing it everywhere. If you want to take the vaccine great, if not just as great. Again, our health is nobody elses concern. Yours is not mine, mine is not yours. And if you're running around the street doing something because you're concerned how it might affect me...you're an idiot
There you go trying to muddy the water with false statistics .....comparing covid deaths in the U.S. (630+ thousand) to the obesity deaths (3M GLOBALLY) is like comparing apples to oranges. Actual figures for the US is between 200-300K per year attributed to obesity ..... NOW let's take your scenario of a car accident victim being counted as a covid death ....what about the obesity "deaths" being counted that could actually be heart attacks or lung-kidney-liver problems? YOU can try to "skew" statistics anyway you want ...... BUT ...... the "Covid virus" is NOT JUST A COLD ...... and you are the IDIOT to compare it that way!
You make a lot of general statements about this person says this and this person says that about funding, ICU beds etc but you never provide ANY proof or names etc .... It's exactly like the old tired stories of I have a friend, who has a friend, who has a cousin, who has a girlfriend, whose father's barber told him blah....blah....blah about the vaccine, drugs, and more blah....blah....blah
SO I'm supposed to publicly give the names and throw them under the bus to lose their jobs to make you happy? No thanks
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Location: Randolph, Utah | We have now been offered a $100 gift card if we are fully vaccinated or have gotten the 1st shot by this Friday. I don't know about anyone else but $100 isn't much of an incentive for me. A friend mentioned the other day, your employer doesn't, or can't, ask about your STD history or other diseases you may have so why is the covid vaccine free game? | |
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Location: MN | Why was it when people were going through chemo and a Had a weaker immune system and other people who had health issues would wear a mask but I didn't see the rest of the world wearing a mask to protect them. This is just a double standard for the biggest political game ever played I'm history. for the record yes COVID is real but not as deadly as it is pushing down our throats. | |
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Location: Fort Worth / Springtown | dawnb - 2021-09-07 7:43 PM
Why was it when people were going through chemo and a Had a weaker immune system and other people who had health issues would wear a mask but I didn't see the rest of the world wearing a mask to protect them. This is just a double standard for the biggest political game ever played I'm history. for the record yes COVID is real but not as deadly as it is pushing down our throats.
Good point about the chemo patients. I also am seeing where a lot of businesses say that you don't have to wear a mask if you have got the jab - but mask up if you aren't va**ed......I personally don't know many that have received the jab, but over 1/2 of those have already been sick with Cov*d.......so are they not contagious anymore??
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Location: Warsaw,NY | So I live in NY, and this just came out yesterday from my manager. NYS is going to try and revoke our nursing licenses if we do not get vaccinated. I actually went and apoke to my old manager to vcerify if thid was real or if my current manager was just blowing smoke up our ass. NY is saying that in order to be employed as a nurse it is contingent on having a licesne, and saying this is considered misconduct for refusing to follow a mandate. I HATE NY | |
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Location: Fort Worth / Springtown | hezasmashnsixcess - 2021-09-10 7:59 AM So I live in NY, and this just came out yesterday from my manager. NYS is going to try and revoke our nursing licenses if we do not get vaccinated. I actually went and apoke to my old manager to vcerify if thid was real or if my current manager was just blowing smoke up our ass. NY is saying that in order to be employed as a nurse it is contingent on having a licesne, and saying this is considered misconduct for refusing to follow a mandate. I HATE NY I am praying for you and those in positiions like you, having to make these decisions. I'm in TX and there were already nurses, here, being forced to or lose their job. Have you checked legal resources that can help you fight this? America's Fr*ontl*ine Doctors has a site setup to help with legal battles...there is another I came across yesterday. There are many battles and Fa*u*c*i and others will go down for crimes against humanity! But what about our military and doctors/nurses/ and every other profession that are being forced, now? Prayers for God to make a way for you!
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Location: Nebraska | hezasmashnsixcess - 2021-09-10 7:59 AM So I live in NY, and this just came out yesterday from my manager. NYS is going to try and revoke our nursing licenses if we do not get vaccinated. I actually went and apoke to my old manager to vcerify if thid was real or if my current manager was just blowing smoke up our ass. NY is saying that in order to be employed as a nurse it is contingent on having a licesne, and saying this is considered misconduct for refusing to follow a mandate. I HATE NY Losing your license? That's terrible! All the health systems here are mandating it. Got my first one last week. Just sucks that no one really cared when we wore the same n95 for months on end until it broke holding dying covid patients hands.
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