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Covid questions
jake16
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2021-10-25 6:46 PM
Subject: Covid questions


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why are they NOT distributing the cocktail that TRUMP got for covid?

Why do they not start an antibiotic for the BACTERIAL Pneumonia that is cause for ALOT OF COMPLICATIONS AND DEATH?

What is this LAME DUCK ADMINISTRATION DOING,to stop it,I know the open borders are helping alotbut what else are they doing,ya ya,I know we have a vaccine....

Any input????I dont care how political this gets,ROCK ON,

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SC Wrangler
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2021-10-25 8:17 PM
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Why do you think people are not getting the meds he did?  He got Monoclonal antibodies, Remdesivir, Dex and Zink.  All of these are used pretty commonly at this point.  I know people that have received them in Podunk Oklahoma.



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DirtDobber
Reg. Dec 2020
Posted 2021-10-25 8:49 PM
Subject: RE: Covid questions





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Why are COVID deaths higher in 2021 with a vaccine available but not available in 2020?

Why when I type COVID in all lower case it auto corrects to all caps and I can't override it like I can other auto corrects?

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

 



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FLITASTIC
Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2021-10-25 10:29 PM
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Rumor has it that the goal is to reduce the planets population by 2 billion. 

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GLP
Reg. Oct 2013
Posted 2021-10-26 8:11 AM
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When we got Covid my husband was the only one that needed meds. His doctor put him on a strong antibiotic, steroid and an inhaler. He unfortunately needed more than these meds and thankfully we found a doctor who would prescribe ivermectin. Sounds like you need to go doctor shopping. There are doctors out there that are proactively treating Covid patients, but they are few and far between in our experience. 

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Frodo
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2021-10-26 11:07 AM
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Under Trump the clock was ticking like a timebomb to count all the deaths not only in the United States but all over the world.  Fast forward to Joe and it's a yawner especially for liberal media.  All you hear is the war on the unvaccinated.

 

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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2021-10-26 11:11 AM
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President Trump had the government buy about 2 million doses of Regeneron last year when it was granted EUA.  He doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves for this kind of bold action. Those doses are paid for by taxpayers.  I know there are reports of people being told they have to pay for it.  The hospitals and clinics can charge for the cost of administration, but not the $2000 it costs for the Regeneron itself.  I had an older neighbor fella with COPD call me all distraught telling me that the clinic was telling him he would be charged for the Regeneron. I told him to tell them that's bullsh!t and that he already paid for it as a taxpayer.  That's all it took.  He got it and he's fine now.  It really only works well if you get it early in the course of Covid.  If you wait until you need oxygen or a ventilator, you've waited too long.  If you are a young, healthy person with no comorbidities, technically, you are not qualified to get Regeneron, but if you have comorbidities or are over 65 and you have early Covid, I'd recommend it.  It is not a perfect panacea, but it reduces the risk of hospitalization or death by about 70% and shortens the duration of the disease by 4-5 days.

Also, if you have significant comorbidities  and you have been closely exposed to someone with Covid, you are eligible to receive Regeneron prophylactically.  
Bottom line for me is if you get covid symptoms and test positive, call your doc or local clinic or hospital and tell them you want it....insist, if necessary.  Same thing with post exposure prophylaxis.  Texas has over 20 designated Regeneron infusion centers.  

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jake16
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2021-10-26 11:18 AM
Subject: RE: Covid questions


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Bear - 2021-10-26 12:11 PM


President Trump had the government buy about 2 million doses of Regeneron last year when it was granted EUA.  He doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves for this kind of bold action. Those doses are paid for by taxpayers.  I know there are reports of people being told they have to pay for it.  The hospitals and clinics can charge for the cost of administration, but not the $2000 it costs for the Regeneron itself.  I had an older neighbor fella with COPD call me all distraught telling me that the clinic was telling him he would be charged for the Regeneron. I told him to tell them that's bullsh!t and that he already paid for it as a taxpayer.  That's all it took.  He got it and he's fine now.  It really only works well if you get it early in the course of Covid.  If you wait until you need oxygen or a ventilator, you've waited too long.  If you are a young, healthy person with no comorbidities, technically, you are not qualified to get Regeneron, but if you have comorbidities or are over 65 and you have early Covid, I'd recommend it.  It is not a perfect panacea, but it reduces the risk of hospitalization or death by about 70% and shortens the duration of the disease by 4-5 days.


Also, if you have significant comorbidities  and you have been closely exposed to someone with Covid, you are eligible to receive Regeneron prophylactically.  
Bottom line for me is if you get covid symptoms and test positive, call your doc or local clinic or hospital and tell them you want it....insist, if necessary.  Same thing with post exposure prophylaxis.  Texas has over 20 designated Regeneron infusion centers.  


You are so right,he does not get the credit he deserves(TRUMP)for his actions,while this administration is basically doing nothing.thank you for all the info:)

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JcNhEmI
Reg. Apr 2009
Posted 2021-10-26 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: Covid questions



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jake16 - 2021-10-25 5:46 PM


why are they NOT distributing the cocktail that TRUMP got for covid?


Why do they not start an antibiotic for the BACTERIAL Pneumonia that is cause for ALOT OF COMPLICATIONS AND DEATH?


What is this LAME DUCK ADMINISTRATION DOING,to stop it,I know the open borders are helping alotbut what else are they doing,ya ya,I know we have a vaccine....


Any input????I dont care how political this gets,ROCK ON,


I was just thinking of making a post about this same thing!

I have heard that Zyrtec (Cetirizine) and Pepcid (Famotidine) will greatly reduce the symptoms of covid-19. A friend who tested positive said after a couple days of those 2 meds he feels 100%, he only had mild symptoms but he thinks it did help! 

Why is this not common knowledge, oh right because it's cheap and the government can't control it! It's all about the vaccine! 

 

I have been hearing some hospitals are refusing care if you are not vaccinated, I know for a fact some of the staff at one hospital are not vaccinated so how can you refuse care when you've got staff not vaccinated?? This whole thing has gotten way out of hand!

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jake16
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2021-10-26 11:59 AM
Subject: RE: Covid questions


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JcNhEmI - 2021-10-26 12:47 PM


jake16 - 2021-10-25 5:46 PM


why are they NOT distributing the cocktail that TRUMP got for covid?


Why do they not start an antibiotic for the BACTERIAL Pneumonia that is cause for ALOT OF COMPLICATIONS AND DEATH?


What is this LAME DUCK ADMINISTRATION DOING,to stop it,I know the open borders are helping alotbut what else are they doing,ya ya,I know we have a vaccine....


Any input????I dont care how political this gets,ROCK ON,



I was just thinking of making a post about this same thing!


I have heard that Zyrtec (Cetirizine) and Pepcid (Famotidine) will greatly reduce the symptoms of covid-19. A friend who tested positive said after a couple days of those 2 meds he feels 100%, he only had mild symptoms but he thinks it did help! 


Why is this not common knowledge, oh right because it's cheap and the government can't control it! It's all about the vaccine! 


 


I have been hearing some hospitals are refusing care if you are not vaccinated, I know for a fact some of the staff at one hospital are not vaccinated so how can you refuse care when you've got staff not vaccinated?? This whole thing has gotten way out of hand!


Ahhhhh,you and bear got my point,IT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD THAT PEOPLE ARE JUST BEING SENT HOME AND TOLD TO RIDE IT OUT, there are options and we need to DEMAND TREATMENT!!!! 

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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2021-10-26 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: Covid questions



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JcNhEmI - 2021-10-26 11:47 AM


jake16 - 2021-10-25 5:46 PM


why are they NOT distributing the cocktail that TRUMP got for covid?


Why do they not start an antibiotic for the BACTERIAL Pneumonia that is cause for ALOT OF COMPLICATIONS AND DEATH?


What is this LAME DUCK ADMINISTRATION DOING,to stop it,I know the open borders are helping alotbut what else are they doing,ya ya,I know we have a vaccine....


Any input????I dont care how political this gets,ROCK ON,



I was just thinking of making a post about this same thing!


I have heard that Zyrtec (Cetirizine) and Pepcid (Famotidine) will greatly reduce the symptoms of covid-19. A friend who tested positive said after a couple days of those 2 meds he feels 100%, he only had mild symptoms but he thinks it did help! 


Why is this not common knowledge, oh right because it's cheap and the government can't control it! It's all about the vaccine! 


 


I have been hearing some hospitals are refusing care if you are not vaccinated, I know for a fact some of the staff at one hospital are not vaccinated so how can you refuse care when you've got staff not vaccinated?? This whole thing has gotten way out of hand!


Hospitals that refuse to treat patients who are not vaccinated should be subject to very stiff penalties.  That's not what medicine is supposed to do.  We've treated people in spite of their perceived wrong choices all the time....millions every day, in fact.  Obese people, for example.  Diabetics who don't watch their diet.  Stroke victims who didn't comply with taking their meds.  Motorcyclists who don't wear a hemet.  The list goes on and on.

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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2021-10-26 1:12 PM
Subject: RE: Covid questions



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JcNhEmI - 2021-10-26 11:47 AM


jake16 - 2021-10-25 5:46 PM


why are they NOT distributing the cocktail that TRUMP got for covid?


Why do they not start an antibiotic for the BACTERIAL Pneumonia that is cause for ALOT OF COMPLICATIONS AND DEATH?


What is this LAME DUCK ADMINISTRATION DOING,to stop it,I know the open borders are helping alotbut what else are they doing,ya ya,I know we have a vaccine....


Any input????I dont care how political this gets,ROCK ON,



I was just thinking of making a post about this same thing!


I have heard that Zyrtec (Cetirizine) and Pepcid (Famotidine) will greatly reduce the symptoms of covid-19. A friend who tested positive said after a couple days of those 2 meds he feels 100%, he only had mild symptoms but he thinks it did help! 


Why is this not common knowledge, oh right because it's cheap and the government can't control it! It's all about the vaccine! 


 


I have been hearing some hospitals are refusing care if you are not vaccinated, I know for a fact some of the staff at one hospital are not vaccinated so how can you refuse care when you've got staff not vaccinated?? This whole thing has gotten way out of hand!


There are H1 and H2 histamine receptors.  Some Some Covid symptoms are thought to be mediated by histamine, which is a natural component of the immune response.  Zyrtec (Cetrizine) is an H1 receptor blocker.  Pepcid (Famotidine) is one of several H2 receptor blockers.  It was originally sold as a treatment of peptic ulcer disease as H2 receptors are partially responsible for secretion of gastric acid.  Incidentally, Benadryl is an H1 blocker, but drowsiness makes it less desirable.  It's thought that H1 and H2 blockers help to lesson some Covid symptoms. That makes sense. I don't know if they improve actual outcomes, in terms of hospitalization or death.  When someone comes in with a bee or wasp sting, I usually tell them to take Zyrtec and Pepsid.....lessens itching and swelling.   

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jake16
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2021-10-26 6:25 PM
Subject: RE: Covid questions


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GLP - 2021-10-26 9:11 AM


When we got Covid my husband was the only one that needed meds. His doctor put him on a strong antibiotic, steroid and an inhaler. He unfortunately needed more than these meds and thankfully we found a doctor who would prescribe ivermectin. Sounds like you need to go doctor shopping. There are doctors out there that are proactively treating Covid patients, but they are few and far between in our experience. 


How is your hubby doing?

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stayceem
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2021-10-27 8:42 AM
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Now this is my burning question...

We all know blood clots are a risk of the vaccine, some more than others. They ask about blood clotting disorders before getting vaccinated (based on some reports from friends). However, no one can explain why... is it for research? I have factor 5 meaning my blood clots too much. I am hesitant to get the vaccine because of this and when I ask about that question on the paperwork, no one knows. 

Youd think if you check yes, theyd handle you differently then if you checked no? 

One nurse said they ask to know how much pressure to put on after the shot.... lol now that i dont by...

 

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GLP
Reg. Oct 2013
Posted 2021-10-27 10:22 AM
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jake16 - 2021-10-26 6:25 PM


GLP - 2021-10-26 9:11 AM


When we got Covid my husband was the only one that needed meds. His doctor put him on a strong antibiotic, steroid and an inhaler. He unfortunately needed more than these meds and thankfully we found a doctor who would prescribe ivermectin. Sounds like you need to go doctor shopping. There are doctors out there that are proactively treating Covid patients, but they are few and far between in our experience. 



How is your hubby doing?


He is fine now, but it took awhile to get his stamina and energy back. I think having ulcerative colitis has something to do with that. Probably a month to get back to normal. 

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GLP
Reg. Oct 2013
Posted 2021-10-27 10:37 AM
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Bear - 2021-10-26 1:12 PM


JcNhEmI - 2021-10-26 11:47 AM


jake16 - 2021-10-25 5:46 PM


why are they NOT distributing the cocktail that TRUMP got for covid?


Why do they not start an antibiotic for the BACTERIAL Pneumonia that is cause for ALOT OF COMPLICATIONS AND DEATH?


What is this LAME DUCK ADMINISTRATION DOING,to stop it,I know the open borders are helping alotbut what else are they doing,ya ya,I know we have a vaccine....


Any input????I dont care how political this gets,ROCK ON,



I was just thinking of making a post about this same thing!


I have heard that Zyrtec (Cetirizine) and Pepcid (Famotidine) will greatly reduce the symptoms of covid-19. A friend who tested positive said after a couple days of those 2 meds he feels 100%, he only had mild symptoms but he thinks it did help! 


Why is this not common knowledge, oh right because it's cheap and the government can't control it! It's all about the vaccine! 


 


I have been hearing some hospitals are refusing care if you are not vaccinated, I know for a fact some of the staff at one hospital are not vaccinated so how can you refuse care when you've got staff not vaccinated?? This whole thing has gotten way out of hand!



There are H1 and H2 histamine receptors.  Some Some Covid symptoms are thought to be mediated by histamine, which is a natural component of the immune response.  Zyrtec (Cetrizine) is an H1 receptor blocker.  Pepcid (Famotidine) is one of several H2 receptor blockers.  It was originally sold as a treatment of peptic ulcer disease as H2 receptors are partially responsible for secretion of gastric acid.  Incidentally, Benadryl is an H1 blocker, but drowsiness makes it less desirable.  It's thought that H1 and H2 blockers help to lesson some Covid symptoms. That makes sense. I don't know if they improve actual outcomes, in terms of hospitalization or death.  When someone comes in with a bee or wasp sting, I usually tell them to take Zyrtec and Pepsid.....lessens itching and swelling.   


I have a question, I apologize if it is kind of a loony one. 
I read that there is a study that suggests HOW the shot is given MAY have some influence of whether myocarditis and pericarditis can be a side effect of the shot. The study said since the shot is a intramuscular shot, the shot giver should pull the plunger back to see if any blood comes up and if so they should move to a slightly different site. The study explained that with mice, when they didn't do this and hit a vein the vaccine was introduced into the blood instead of the muscle and  a percentage of the mice developed myocarditis/pericarditis. 
So my question is should we pay attention to how they give the shot if we decide to get it? I know my vet pulls the plunger back a little when he gives shots intramuscular and he advises me to do so when I have to give shots. 

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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2021-10-27 11:07 AM
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stayceem - 2021-10-27 8:42 AM

Now this is my burning question...

We all know blood clots are a risk of the vaccine, some more than others. They ask about blood clotting disorders before getting vaccinated (based on some reports from friends). However, no one can explain why... is it for research? I have factor 5 meaning my blood clots too much. I am hesitant to get the vaccine because of this and when I ask about that question on the paperwork, no one knows. 

Youd think if you check yes, theyd handle you differently then if you checked no? 

One nurse said they ask to know how much pressure to put on after the shot.... lol now that i dont by...

 

The blood clotting risk is said to be about 7 in a million doses in people who received the J&J vaccine.  I'm not aware of any unusual risk in people who received the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

Here's the important point that many miss when they get worried about the rare blood clotting risk after the J&J - if you are worried about blood clots then you need to understand that Covid19 itself causes blood clotting in veins and arteries at a vastly higher rate than the J&J vaccine.

As to your more unique concerns over factor V, I honestly think you need to sit down with your doctor and decide, but once again your risk of life threatening blood clots is higher from Covid19 itself versus the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine.

If someone is concerned about clots, but still want to consider a vaccine, I'd opt for one of the mRNA vaccines.

The risk of clots from the J&J is highest in women under 50.  That risk drops off significantly in women over 50....like 1 in a million.

If you get Covid19 and wind up in an ICU then your risk is very high in comparison.... like 25-30%!

So...bottom line.....arm yourself with the facts I just presented to you, then present them to your doctor and make a decision.  Do some of your own research as well, but be wary of crazy claims from dubious sources, particulary if they are antivax advocates.  Covid has resulted in a ground swell of antivax advocates.  That's unfortunate.

ETA: people with elevated OR abnormally low factor V have a higher risk of clotting from Covid19 itself.



Edited by Bear 2021-10-27 11:10 AM
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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2021-10-27 11:14 AM
Subject: RE: Covid questions



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GLP - 2021-10-27 10:37 AM


Bear - 2021-10-26 1:12 PM


JcNhEmI - 2021-10-26 11:47 AM


jake16 - 2021-10-25 5:46 PM


why are they NOT distributing the cocktail that TRUMP got for covid?


Why do they not start an antibiotic for the BACTERIAL Pneumonia that is cause for ALOT OF COMPLICATIONS AND DEATH?


What is this LAME DUCK ADMINISTRATION DOING,to stop it,I know the open borders are helping alotbut what else are they doing,ya ya,I know we have a vaccine....


Any input????I dont care how political this gets,ROCK ON,



I was just thinking of making a post about this same thing!


I have heard that Zyrtec (Cetirizine) and Pepcid (Famotidine) will greatly reduce the symptoms of covid-19. A friend who tested positive said after a couple days of those 2 meds he feels 100%, he only had mild symptoms but he thinks it did help! 


Why is this not common knowledge, oh right because it's cheap and the government can't control it! It's all about the vaccine! 


 


I have been hearing some hospitals are refusing care if you are not vaccinated, I know for a fact some of the staff at one hospital are not vaccinated so how can you refuse care when you've got staff not vaccinated?? This whole thing has gotten way out of hand!



There are H1 and H2 histamine receptors.  Some Some Covid symptoms are thought to be mediated by histamine, which is a natural component of the immune response.  Zyrtec (Cetrizine) is an H1 receptor blocker.  Pepcid (Famotidine) is one of several H2 receptor blockers.  It was originally sold as a treatment of peptic ulcer disease as H2 receptors are partially responsible for secretion of gastric acid.  Incidentally, Benadryl is an H1 blocker, but drowsiness makes it less desirable.  It's thought that H1 and H2 blockers help to lesson some Covid symptoms. That makes sense. I don't know if they improve actual outcomes, in terms of hospitalization or death.  When someone comes in with a bee or wasp sting, I usually tell them to take Zyrtec and Pepsid.....lessens itching and swelling.   



I have a question, I apologize if it is kind of a loony one. 
I read that there is a study that suggests HOW the shot is given MAY have some influence of whether myocarditis and pericarditis can be a side effect of the shot. The study said since the shot is a intramuscular shot, the shot giver should pull the plunger back to see if any blood comes up and if so they should move to a slightly different site. The study explained that with mice, when they didn't do this and hit a vein the vaccine was introduced into the blood instead of the muscle and  a percentage of the mice developed myocarditis/pericarditis. 
So my question is should we pay attention to how they give the shot if we decide to get it? I know my vet pulls the plunger back a little when he gives shots intramuscular and he advises me to do so when I have to give shots. 


Well, I'm not aware of this study, but the practice of pulling back on the plunger when giving IM injections to avoid a direct injection into a blood vessel has been standard practice forever.

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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2021-10-27 7:59 PM
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brlracerchick
Reg. Jun 2010
Posted 2021-10-27 9:49 PM
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Bear - 2021-10-27 11:14 AM


GLP - 2021-10-27 10:37 AM


Bear - 2021-10-26 1:12 PM


JcNhEmI - 2021-10-26 11:47 AM


jake16 - 2021-10-25 5:46 PM


why are they NOT distributing the cocktail that TRUMP got for covid?


Why do they not start an antibiotic for the BACTERIAL Pneumonia that is cause for ALOT OF COMPLICATIONS AND DEATH?


What is this LAME DUCK ADMINISTRATION DOING,to stop it,I know the open borders are helping alotbut what else are they doing,ya ya,I know we have a vaccine....


Any input????I dont care how political this gets,ROCK ON,



I was just thinking of making a post about this same thing!


I have heard that Zyrtec (Cetirizine) and Pepcid (Famotidine) will greatly reduce the symptoms of covid-19. A friend who tested positive said after a couple days of those 2 meds he feels 100%, he only had mild symptoms but he thinks it did help! 


Why is this not common knowledge, oh right because it's cheap and the government can't control it! It's all about the vaccine! 


 


I have been hearing some hospitals are refusing care if you are not vaccinated, I know for a fact some of the staff at one hospital are not vaccinated so how can you refuse care when you've got staff not vaccinated?? This whole thing has gotten way out of hand!



There are H1 and H2 histamine receptors.  Some Some Covid symptoms are thought to be mediated by histamine, which is a natural component of the immune response.  Zyrtec (Cetrizine) is an H1 receptor blocker.  Pepcid (Famotidine) is one of several H2 receptor blockers.  It was originally sold as a treatment of peptic ulcer disease as H2 receptors are partially responsible for secretion of gastric acid.  Incidentally, Benadryl is an H1 blocker, but drowsiness makes it less desirable.  It's thought that H1 and H2 blockers help to lesson some Covid symptoms. That makes sense. I don't know if they improve actual outcomes, in terms of hospitalization or death.  When someone comes in with a bee or wasp sting, I usually tell them to take Zyrtec and Pepsid.....lessens itching and swelling.   



I have a question, I apologize if it is kind of a loony one. 
I read that there is a study that suggests HOW the shot is given MAY have some influence of whether myocarditis and pericarditis can be a side effect of the shot. The study said since the shot is a intramuscular shot, the shot giver should pull the plunger back to see if any blood comes up and if so they should move to a slightly different site. The study explained that with mice, when they didn't do this and hit a vein the vaccine was introduced into the blood instead of the muscle and  a percentage of the mice developed myocarditis/pericarditis. 
So my question is should we pay attention to how they give the shot if we decide to get it? I know my vet pulls the plunger back a little when he gives shots intramuscular and he advises me to do so when I have to give shots. 



Well, I'm not aware of this study, but the practice of pulling back on the plunger when giving IM injections to avoid a direct injection into a blood vessel has been standard practice forever.


It's actually not best practice anymore I was told. 

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brlracerchick
Reg. Jun 2010
Posted 2021-10-27 9:51 PM
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JcNhEmI - 2021-10-26 11:47 AM


jake16 - 2021-10-25 5:46 PM


why are they NOT distributing the cocktail that TRUMP got for covid?


Why do they not start an antibiotic for the BACTERIAL Pneumonia that is cause for ALOT OF COMPLICATIONS AND DEATH?


What is this LAME DUCK ADMINISTRATION DOING,to stop it,I know the open borders are helping alotbut what else are they doing,ya ya,I know we have a vaccine....


Any input????I dont care how political this gets,ROCK ON,



I was just thinking of making a post about this same thing!


I have heard that Zyrtec (Cetirizine) and Pepcid (Famotidine) will greatly reduce the symptoms of covid-19. A friend who tested positive said after a couple days of those 2 meds he feels 100%, he only had mild symptoms but he thinks it did help! 


Why is this not common knowledge, oh right because it's cheap and the government can't control it! It's all about the vaccine! 


 


I have been hearing some hospitals are refusing care if you are not vaccinated, I know for a fact some of the staff at one hospital are not vaccinated so how can you refuse care when you've got staff not vaccinated?? This whole thing has gotten way out of hand!


I know I read about hospitals being so full that they're having to decide who they can treat. I want to say it's currently happening in Idaho. The algorithm they use is insane. They take EVERYTHING into account, even occupation. 

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Reg. May 2007
Posted 2021-10-28 7:40 AM
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stayceem - 2021-10-27 7:42 AM


Now this is my burning question...


We all know blood clots are a risk of the vaccine, some more than others. They ask about blood clotting disorders before getting vaccinated (based on some reports from friends). However, no one can explain why... is it for research? I have factor 5 meaning my blood clots too much. I am hesitant to get the vaccine because of this and when I ask about that question on the paperwork, no one knows. 


Youd think if you check yes, theyd handle you differently then if you checked no? 


One nurse said they ask to know how much pressure to put on after the shot.... lol now that i dont by...


 


I have been a Registered Nurse for 23 years. The last 5 have been as a Public Health nurse at our Local Health Department. Since last December I have administered thousands of Covid injections to patients who want the shot. Not everything is a conspiracy. Our questionarre does ask if you have a blood clotting disorder AND are on a blood thinner. This alerts us to keep pressure on the injection site a bit longer and make sure there is no excessive bleeding before I allow the patient to leave the injection area. That being said I review that questionarre before every shot. If someone marks they have a clotting issue and want Johnson & Johnson which is the vaccine associated with blood clotting I counsel them about that and recommend they speak to their doctor about it if they haven't or were not aware of the possible blood clotting risks. Moderna and Pfizer have not been associated with blood clotting like the Johnson & Johnson. Me and my fellow nurses stay up on the latest studies and recommendations daily to provide the best and safest experience for my patients every day. I became a Nurse because I wanted to help people and that is still my goal every day. 

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stayceem - 2021-10-27 7:42 AM


Now this is my burning question...


We all know blood clots are a risk of the vaccine, some more than others. They ask about blood clotting disorders before getting vaccinated (based on some reports from friends). However, no one can explain why... is it for research? I have factor 5 meaning my blood clots too much. I am hesitant to get the vaccine because of this and when I ask about that question on the paperwork, no one knows. 


Youd think if you check yes, theyd handle you differently then if you checked no? 


One nurse said they ask to know how much pressure to put on after the shot.... lol now that i dont by...


 



I have been a Registered Nurse for 23 years. The last 5 have been as a Public Health nurse at our Local Health Department. Since last December I have administered thousands of Covid injections to patients who want the shot. Not everything is a conspiracy. Our questionarre does ask if you have a blood clotting disorder AND are on a blood thinner. This alerts us to keep pressure on the injection site a bit longer and make sure there is no excessive bleeding before I allow the patient to leave the injection area. That being said I review that questionarre before every shot. If someone marks they have a clotting issue and want Johnson & Johnson which is the vaccine associated with blood clotting I counsel them about that and recommend they speak to their doctor about it if they haven't or were not aware of the possible blood clotting risks. Moderna and Pfizer have not been associated with blood clotting like the Johnson & Johnson. Me and my fellow nurses stay up on the latest studies and recommendations daily to provide the best and safest experience for my patients every day. I became a Nurse because I wanted to help people and that is still my goal every day. 


Thank you and thank you Bear. 

 

I asked my Doctor and she mimicked what Bear said. I had asked another Dr about the questionnaire and she told me the same thing as you (pressure on injection site) and when I talked to my doctor, she told me that was a crock of crap. literally.

 

So she thinks the vaccine is a lesser risk for me... but couldnt explain why the questionnare was what it was. I did try to research it, the only information I could find was that theres studies suggesting I be on a blood thinner if I have a clotting disorder. I am not managing it with anything, Dr. said I am young enough and dont need to. I just couldnt get any consistent information at all so I appreciate you both sharing. 

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Most and I only say most of the deaths are from unvaccinated people. 

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A dear friend who I've known for over 40 years is in ICU, sedated and on a ventilator. She is in her late 40s. She is totally against the vaccine. She has co-morbidities -- numerous health issues. Last night she had AFIB heart issues apparently due to the stress of COVID on her body. Having said this - knowing my friend will most probably die due to COVID, I believe we should have the freedom of choice regarding the vaccine. I have terrible asthma. My doctors urged me to get vaccinated.  So I did. I had two Pfizer shots this past March and a month ago I had the Pfizer booster. At my age and with the asthma,  and after research and consultation with my long-time doctors, it was the right decision for me. It's horrific the vaccine and COVID have been made into such a political bru-ha-ha. I believe in liberty and freedom -- and individual choice! The political mess has made folks so distrusting of the government and anything it says about COVID. Anyway - please say a prayer for my friend. I am very, very concerned about her situation.

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Delta Cowgirl - 2021-10-30 2:17 PM


A dear friend who I've known for over 40 years is in ICU, sedated and on a ventilator. She is in her late 40s. She is totally against the vaccine. She has co-morbidities -- numerous health issues. Last night she had AFIB heart issues apparently due to the stress of COVID on her body. Having said this - knowing my friend will most probably die due to COVID, I believe we should have the freedom of choice regarding the vaccine. I have terrible asthma. My doctors urged me to get vaccinated.  So I did. I had two Pfizer shots this past March and a month ago I had the Pfizer booster. At my age and with the asthma,  and after research and consultation with my long-time doctors, it was the right decision for me. It's horrific the vaccine and COVID have been made into such a political bru-ha-ha. I believe in liberty and freedom -- and individual choice! The political mess has made folks so distrusting of the government and anything it says about COVID. Anyway - please say a prayer for my friend. I am very, very concerned about her situation.


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I just saw where Jen Psaki, Biden's rude and hard-headed press secretary, has tested positive for Covid.  This is going to make it tough for her in a room full of reporters to defend the vaccine.

I've had the vax but defend anyone's right to not have it if that's their choice. 

 



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Does anyone else think that if the government would have butted out of this vaccine deal more Americans would be open to getting it? 

 

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stayceem - 2021-10-28 6:09 AM


caspersabelpip - 2021-10-28 7:40 AM


stayceem - 2021-10-27 7:42 AM


Now this is my burning question...


We all know blood clots are a risk of the vaccine, some more than others. They ask about blood clotting disorders before getting vaccinated (based on some reports from friends). However, no one can explain why... is it for research? I have factor 5 meaning my blood clots too much. I am hesitant to get the vaccine because of this and when I ask about that question on the paperwork, no one knows. 


Youd think if you check yes, theyd handle you differently then if you checked no? 


One nurse said they ask to know how much pressure to put on after the shot.... lol now that i dont by...


 



I have been a Registered Nurse for 23 years. The last 5 have been as a Public Health nurse at our Local Health Department. Since last December I have administered thousands of Covid injections to patients who want the shot. Not everything is a conspiracy. Our questionarre does ask if you have a blood clotting disorder AND are on a blood thinner. This alerts us to keep pressure on the injection site a bit longer and make sure there is no excessive bleeding before I allow the patient to leave the injection area. That being said I review that questionarre before every shot. If someone marks they have a clotting issue and want Johnson & Johnson which is the vaccine associated with blood clotting I counsel them about that and recommend they speak to their doctor about it if they haven't or were not aware of the possible blood clotting risks. Moderna and Pfizer have not been associated with blood clotting like the Johnson & Johnson. Me and my fellow nurses stay up on the latest studies and recommendations daily to provide the best and safest experience for my patients every day. I became a Nurse because I wanted to help people and that is still my goal every day. 



Thank you and thank you Bear. 


 


I asked my Doctor and she mimicked what Bear said. I had asked another Dr about the questionnaire and she told me the same thing as you (pressure on injection site) and when I talked to my doctor, she told me that was a crock of crap. literally.


 


So she thinks the vaccine is a lesser risk for me... but couldnt explain why the questionnare was what it was. I did try to research it, the only information I could find was that theres studies suggesting I be on a blood thinner if I have a clotting disorder. I am not managing it with anything, Dr. said I am young enough and dont need to. I just couldnt get any consistent information at all so I appreciate you both sharing. 


Millions of people have Factor V Leiden, including myself. It even says "very common" if you google it and those are only reported cases. A large portion don't even know they have it and they never will because chances are it won't cause an issue. I only know I have it because I had a blood clot from birth control pills in my 20s and a doc in my 40s decided to test me for it after telling him I can't take oral estrogen due to that clot. I don't take anything for it now, I just avoid contributing factors such as BC pills. Having said that, Covid is a contributing factor. I took that into account when I decided to go ahead and get vaccinated with the MrNA vaccine (Pfizer). Albeit, the clot that J&J has a risk factor for isn't the same type of clot as those of us with FVL typically get.

Anyway, to each their own.

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I've been an ER nurse through this pandemic. Why is it that you think its bacterial? Why do you think people have not gotten a lot of the drugs Trump had gotten? 

Covid is not a bacterial pneumonia, it's a viral pneumonia. We do start some on antibiotics, because we have had people also have a bacterial infection at the same time. Heck, I've had kids have two viral infections at once. RSV and Covid. Not ideal..

They were using azithromycin at first (antibiotic), it had shown some antiviral properties. Maybe thats where the confusion is perhaps?

Otherwise in the ER, we start Dex and Rem before they even leave our ER. Once inpatient, they get other things as well. 

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JcNhEmI - 2021-11-01 10:29 AM


Does anyone else think that if the government would have butted out of this vaccine deal more Americans would be open to getting it? 



 


Yes, I absolutely believe if our government had stayed out of it and allowed Americans to exercise freedom to reseach and consult privately with their physicans, more would have probably taken the vaccine. The government turned it all into a big nasty mess trying to force it.  Somewhere along the line our Government officials have forgotten they work for us -- we are their boss. And they have forgotten they are spending OUR money -- and, thus, we have a say.  We need to keep working toward a Convention of States in order to enact TERM LIMITS.

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stayceem - 2021-10-28 6:09 AM


caspersabelpip - 2021-10-28 7:40 AM


stayceem - 2021-10-27 7:42 AM


Now this is my burning question...


We all know blood clots are a risk of the vaccine, some more than others. They ask about blood clotting disorders before getting vaccinated (based on some reports from friends). However, no one can explain why... is it for research? I have factor 5 meaning my blood clots too much. I am hesitant to get the vaccine because of this and when I ask about that question on the paperwork, no one knows. 


Youd think if you check yes, theyd handle you differently then if you checked no? 


One nurse said they ask to know how much pressure to put on after the shot.... lol now that i dont by...


 



I have been a Registered Nurse for 23 years. The last 5 have been as a Public Health nurse at our Local Health Department. Since last December I have administered thousands of Covid injections to patients who want the shot. Not everything is a conspiracy. Our questionarre does ask if you have a blood clotting disorder AND are on a blood thinner. This alerts us to keep pressure on the injection site a bit longer and make sure there is no excessive bleeding before I allow the patient to leave the injection area. That being said I review that questionarre before every shot. If someone marks they have a clotting issue and want Johnson & Johnson which is the vaccine associated with blood clotting I counsel them about that and recommend they speak to their doctor about it if they haven't or were not aware of the possible blood clotting risks. Moderna and Pfizer have not been associated with blood clotting like the Johnson & Johnson. Me and my fellow nurses stay up on the latest studies and recommendations daily to provide the best and safest experience for my patients every day. I became a Nurse because I wanted to help people and that is still my goal every day. 



Thank you and thank you Bear. 


 


I asked my Doctor and she mimicked what Bear said. I had asked another Dr about the questionnaire and she told me the same thing as you (pressure on injection site) and when I talked to my doctor, she told me that was a crock of crap. literally.


 


So she thinks the vaccine is a lesser risk for me... but couldnt explain why the questionnare was what it was. I did try to research it, the only information I could find was that theres studies suggesting I be on a blood thinner if I have a clotting disorder. I am not managing it with anything, Dr. said I am young enough and dont need to. I just couldnt get any consistent information at all so I appreciate you both sharing. 



Millions of people have Factor V Leiden, including myself. It even says "very common" if you google it and those are only reported cases. A large portion don't even know they have it and they never will because chances are it won't cause an issue. I only know I have it because I had a blood clot from birth control pills in my 20s and a doc in my 40s decided to test me for it after telling him I can't take oral estrogen due to that clot. I don't take anything for it now, I just avoid contributing factors such as BC pills. Having said that, Covid is a contributing factor. I took that into account when I decided to go ahead and get vaccinated with the MrNA vaccine (Pfizer). Albeit, the clot that J&J has a risk factor for isn't the same type of clot as those of us with FVL typically get.


Anyway, to each their own.


This is really good to know and speak to someone else with, I only know my family members. I tend to agree with you about Factor V. I only know I have it because my Grandma was having issues after more than a decade of health issues (unreleated) but some of the treatments were being effect by Factor V. They suggested my Mom and her sister get tested, Mom my Mom was +. Then to suggested me and my sisters get it. Oldest sister was + and had two c-sections and nearly 40 before finding out. So I have believed it isnt a big deal ... BUT then doctors act like you have some issue even suggesting I get a medical bracelet. 

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JcNhEmI - 2021-11-01 10:29 AM


Does anyone else think that if the government would have butted out of this vaccine deal more Americans would be open to getting it? 



 


YES. I've said that all along. 

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JcNhEmI - 2021-11-01 10:29 AM


Does anyone else think that if the government would have butted out of this vaccine deal more Americans would be open to getting it? 



 



YES. I've said that all along. 


The government had nothing to do with my decision. Once I thought to do the math I started researching. Also, when no one was trying to figure out how to TREAT the ones who already had Covid, but instead just waited for the infected to get so bad they had to go to hospital, that was a caution flag. Then I heard there were very safe medicines to take that greatly reduced the risk of hospitalization. Another red flag. Trying to force a vaccine that has not been properly tested was a HUGE flag. Censorship of any kind of info that isn't approved by social media and censorship of those trying to find help for their vaccine injuries and to even let people know about the possibility of severe vaccine injuries is also a huge flag for me. These are the reasons I am not going to get the vaccine 

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barrelracinbroke - 2021-11-01 10:53 AM


stayceem - 2021-10-28 6:09 AM


caspersabelpip - 2021-10-28 7:40 AM


stayceem - 2021-10-27 7:42 AM


Now this is my burning question...


We all know blood clots are a risk of the vaccine, some more than others. They ask about blood clotting disorders before getting vaccinated (based on some reports from friends). However, no one can explain why... is it for research? I have factor 5 meaning my blood clots too much. I am hesitant to get the vaccine because of this and when I ask about that question on the paperwork, no one knows. 


Youd think if you check yes, theyd handle you differently then if you checked no? 


One nurse said they ask to know how much pressure to put on after the shot.... lol now that i dont by...


 



I have been a Registered Nurse for 23 years. The last 5 have been as a Public Health nurse at our Local Health Department. Since last December I have administered thousands of Covid injections to patients who want the shot. Not everything is a conspiracy. Our questionarre does ask if you have a blood clotting disorder AND are on a blood thinner. This alerts us to keep pressure on the injection site a bit longer and make sure there is no excessive bleeding before I allow the patient to leave the injection area. That being said I review that questionarre before every shot. If someone marks they have a clotting issue and want Johnson & Johnson which is the vaccine associated with blood clotting I counsel them about that and recommend they speak to their doctor about it if they haven't or were not aware of the possible blood clotting risks. Moderna and Pfizer have not been associated with blood clotting like the Johnson & Johnson. Me and my fellow nurses stay up on the latest studies and recommendations daily to provide the best and safest experience for my patients every day. I became a Nurse because I wanted to help people and that is still my goal every day. 



Thank you and thank you Bear. 


 


I asked my Doctor and she mimicked what Bear said. I had asked another Dr about the questionnaire and she told me the same thing as you (pressure on injection site) and when I talked to my doctor, she told me that was a crock of crap. literally.


 


So she thinks the vaccine is a lesser risk for me... but couldnt explain why the questionnare was what it was. I did try to research it, the only information I could find was that theres studies suggesting I be on a blood thinner if I have a clotting disorder. I am not managing it with anything, Dr. said I am young enough and dont need to. I just couldnt get any consistent information at all so I appreciate you both sharing. 



Millions of people have Factor V Leiden, including myself. It even says "very common" if you google it and those are only reported cases. A large portion don't even know they have it and they never will because chances are it won't cause an issue. I only know I have it because I had a blood clot from birth control pills in my 20s and a doc in my 40s decided to test me for it after telling him I can't take oral estrogen due to that clot. I don't take anything for it now, I just avoid contributing factors such as BC pills. Having said that, Covid is a contributing factor. I took that into account when I decided to go ahead and get vaccinated with the MrNA vaccine (Pfizer). Albeit, the clot that J&J has a risk factor for isn't the same type of clot as those of us with FVL typically get.


Anyway, to each their own.



This is really good to know and speak to someone else with, I only know my family members. I tend to agree with you about Factor V. I only know I have it because my Grandma was having issues after more than a decade of health issues (unreleated) but some of the treatments were being effect by Factor V. They suggested my Mom and her sister get tested, Mom my Mom was +. Then to suggested me and my sisters get it. Oldest sister was + and had two c-sections and nearly 40 before finding out. So I have believed it isnt a big deal ... BUT then doctors act like you have some issue even suggesting I get a medical bracelet. 


I only have one copy of the gene. I know it can cause issue for some at times and I know some people that have it do go on meds such as blood thinners, and I'm not sure what else. My docs have told me that unless I have any more issues that I don't need to do that. Luckily, I haven't had another issue for 25 years since I was on BC pills. I'm just supposed to share that I have it when in a situation where I need to share my medical history, especially with things like surgeries. Having said that, I've had about 10 surgeries and luckily no problems thus far. You're definitely not alone with having this.

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