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       Location: Displaced Iowegian | This has got to STOP !!!! Who picks on "children"? Prayers for those lost and their families and friends ..... |
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| Another senseless EVIL act that shouldn't have happened. Why was the school so accessible? I thought schools had protocols in place to prevent people getting in without permission. Doors are supposed to be locked. Gates etc etc. This sick person murdered his grandmother first and then went to the school and did this. When are schools going to get tired of being sitting ducks? Gun free zones right? I'm glad my children don't attend school. They aren't even safe there. How sad.. prayers for the families. |
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| It's a terrible world we live in that the powers that be seek to destroy mental health care across the nation so that people have to live with the demons in their heads. We will never solve this problem until we solve the demise of the family unit, mental health, and lack of values. |
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| Their answer is more gun control. Has it even been determined where this person got the gun? They are making it sound like he went into Bass Pro and purchased the gun legally. . its not as simple and care free as it's being portrayed. We don't have a gun problem, we have a people problem.. lack of morals, absent checked out parents, educators can't say so n so has mental issues and needs evaluated... the list goes on and on. |
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         Location: SW MO | Prayers       They said he killed his grandmother before going to the school. Have they said anything about any of the rest of his family? |
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| Mental health matters. I will say it again, MENTAL HEALTH MATTERS!!!! I work as an accountant for a company that owns several mental health facilities. I never realized before coming here how many people use mental health services, and how many need them but do not use them! Problem number 2, ARM OUR SCHOOL STAFF!!!! It may not prevent every school shooting, but I strongly believe it would descrease the number of incidents and casualties. My kids are 8 and I am on edge with them at their last day of school today. We should not have to fear for our children while getting an education. There is so much I could say on this whole subject, but for now all I can do is pray for every single one of the lives that have been forever changed.  |
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There has been so much conflicting information being put out....I think the grandmother is still alive but in critical condition? But there has not been ONE word said about his parents. |
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        Location: Broxton, Ga | NJJ - 2022-05-24 1:54 PM crossspur - 2022-05-25 10:14 AM Prayers       They said he killed his grandmother before going to the school. Have they said anything about any of the rest of his family? There has been so much conflicting information being put out....I think the grandmother is still alive but in critical condition? But there has not been ONE word said about his parents. Dropped out of high school.....I believe that is what I thought i heaerd.... The grandmother is still alive....she called the police after he shot her.... He fled in her vehicle ....crashed the vehicle and entered the school.... Parents....thought I heard his mother was in North or South Dakota
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NJJ - 2022-05-24 1:54 PM
crossspur - 2022-05-25 10:14 AM
Prayers      
They said he killed his grandmother before going to the school. Have they said anything about any of the rest of his family?
There has been so much conflicting information being put out....I think the grandmother is still alive but in critical condition? But there has not been ONE word said about his parents.
Dropped out of high school.....I believe that is what I thought i heaerd....
The grandmother is still alive....she called the police after he shot her....
He fled in her vehicle ....crashed the vehicle and entered the school....
Parents....thought I heard his mother was in North or South Dakota
I found this article and that shows a young man destined to "go off the rails". And apprently nobody saw or "wanted" to see the mental issues. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/salvador-ramos-texas-school-shooting-uvalde-b2087035.html |
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   Location: Randolph, Utah | It makes me so angry that the first thing people and politicians want to talk about is gun control and make this tragedy political. 19 children and 2 teachers lost their lives, we could let people mourn before turning it into a political **** show. Screaming gun control will not bring those that lost their lives back. Lets be proactive, let the teachers carry, pay an armed guard to be at the door during school hours. |
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        Location: Broxton, Ga | Seems like he went off the rail....posted he was going to shoot his grandmother then confirmed it with a post with a warning he was going to shoot up a school......all within 30 min...... |
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        Location: Broxton, Ga | NJJ - 2022-05-24 2:11 PM
CJE - 2022-05-25 1:00 PM
NJJ - 2022-05-24 1:54 PM
crossspur - 2022-05-25 10:14 AM
Prayers      
They said he killed his grandmother before going to the school. Have they said anything about any of the rest of his family?
There has been so much conflicting information being put out....I think the grandmother is still alive but in critical condition? But there has not been ONE word said about his parents.
Dropped out of high school.....I believe that is what I thought i heaerd....
The grandmother is still alive....she called the police after he shot her....
He fled in her vehicle ....crashed the vehicle and entered the school....
Parents....thought I heard his mother was in North or South Dakota
I found this article and that shows a young man destined to "go off the rails". And apprently nobody saw or "wanted" to see the mental issues.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/salvador-ramos-texas-school-shooting-uvalde-b2087035.html
Wow.....so far the news haven't reported any of this..... I believe there were some serious problems.....and they were ignored. |
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| Media is only going to show and tell you what they want you to know. Not necessarily the facts. Lots of unanswered questions, lots of holes in the story yet everyone is screaming over eachother about gun control. Just like they wanted. How did this person get thru 3 armed officers to get into the building while supposedly being pursued for shooting his grandmother in the face. Yet an off duty border patrol agent is the one who took him down. I saw a video floating around of the suspect casually walking into the side door of the school building, clearly you can see the gun, he wasn't running, or even hurrying, just strolling, didn't look like anyone that was being pursued or didn't look like anyone was even in his way. Not saying it's an accurate video of this piece of garbage but it's been taken down several times. It should raise more questions and people should be demanding answers but too busy fighting over gun control issues and the poor grieving parents. It's become too easy to tell people what they should believe. |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | The oily Democrat politicians didn't waste time making political hay, as has been the case since Columbine. Case in point, Beto O'Rourke's embarrassing stunt at the governor's press conference. Here's what will come out of this: 1. Focus on mental health and what happened to kids over the past 30-40 years. 2. Focus on family....and the demise of two parent homes. 3. Attempts to "ban assault rifles"....same old completely baseless blather. It will fail. 4. Renewed efforts to take the logical step of armed guards, armed teachers (optional), and metal detectors at school. |
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   Location: Randolph, Utah | Barack Obama's Tweet: "As we grieve the children of Uvalde today, we should take time to recognize that two years have passed since the murder of George Floyd under the knee of a police officer. His killing stays with us all to this day, especially those who loved him." This makes my blood boil! There is no comparison between George Floyd and the victims of Uvalde. |
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    Location: NW. Florida | JcNhEmI - 2022-05-26 12:11 PM
Barack Obama's Tweet:
"As we grieve the children of Uvalde today, we should take time to recognize that two years have passed since the murder of George Floyd under the knee of a police officer. His killing stays with us all to this day, especially those who loved him."
This makes my blood boil! There is no comparison between George Floyd and the victims of Uvalde.
Exactly......oh it was infuriating to hear him compare the two. |
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| JcNhEmI - 2022-05-26 12:11 PM
Barack Obama's Tweet:
"As we grieve the children of Uvalde today, we should take time to recognize that two years have passed since the murder of George Floyd under the knee of a police officer. His killing stays with us all to this day, especially those who loved him."
This makes my blood boil! There is no comparison between George Floyd and the victims of Uvalde.
Oh my... I missed that. What a slap in the face to that community who is still trying to digest what happened! What an unbelievable thing to bring up at this time.. to Uvalde, to law enforcement... I cannot even wrap my head around this statement!!! Wow.. just wow!!!! |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | I'm pretty sure we can agree that this guy's mental illness is the underlying cause. Forget about "assault rifles". Most advocates of banning assault rifles can't even define what constitutes an assault rifle. The Democrat leaders know this. They are just using that mantra because it works with their gullible, servile base. At issue, to me, is why have we seen these horrific incidents explode over the last 20-25 years? What correlates with these mass murders? Yes, armed guards and arming teachers and metal detectors make sense, but those things don't address the cause. Is it too much screen time, devices, and the "internet"? Is it related to dysfunctional family environment? Is there a relationship between ADHD (+/- its treatment) and violence? Is it music and entertainment? Is it a result of a change in the way kids are disciplined? I could go on and on, and I don't know the answer, but I do know one thing. It's high time our mental health professionals do some serious study, and pronto. I can tell you that there is a lot of correlation with the things I mentioned but there's a saying we use: "correlation does not imply causation". Asking mental health scientists to study this is a tall order, because most of them are so enmeshed with left wing politics that they will reflexively set their sights on the evil AR-15. |
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    Location: South Dakota | JcNhEmI - 2022-05-26 12:11 PM
Barack Obama's Tweet:
"As we grieve the children of Uvalde today, we should take time to recognize that two years have passed since the murder of George Floyd under the knee of a police officer. His killing stays with us all to this day, especially those who loved him."
This makes my blood boil! There is no comparison between George Floyd and the victims of Uvalde.
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     Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Bear - 2022-05-26 6:14 PM
I'm pretty sure we can agree that this guy's mental illness is the underlying cause. Forget about "assault rifles". Most advocates of banning assault rifles can't even define what constitutes an assault rifle. The Democrat leaders know this. They are just using that mantra because it works with their gullible, servile base.
At issue, to me, is why have we seen these horrific incidents explode over the last 20-25 years? What correlates with these mass murders? Yes, armed guards and arming teachers and metal detectors make sense, but those things don't address the cause. Is it too much screen time, devices, and the "internet"? Is it related to dysfunctional family environment? Is there a relationship between ADHD (+/- its treatment) and violence? Is it music and entertainment? Is it a result of a change in the way kids are disciplined? I could go on and on, and I don't know the answer, but I do know one thing. It's high time our mental health professionals do some serious study, and pronto. I can tell you that there is a lot of correlation with the things I mentioned but there's a saying we use: "correlation does not imply causation". Asking mental health scientists to study this is a tall order, because most of them are so enmeshed with left wing politics that they will reflexively set their sights on the evil AR-15.
this mental health crisis/issue what ever you want to call it came to be because it's mean to lock the crazy mother truckers up in a loony bin and lobotmise(not sure how to spel that and don't really care) them.
We have gone 2ish generations now trying to coddole these crazy sons of beaches instead of locking them up and zapping them with 2000 volts. It's easy to feel all warm and cuddly about the crazies until they start acting crazy. and FTR, there is no such thing as an Assault Rifle. |
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         Location: SW MO | Bear - 2022-05-26 5:14 PM
I'm pretty sure we can agree that this guy's mental illness is the underlying cause. Forget about "assault rifles". Most advocates of banning assault rifles can't even define what constitutes an assault rifle. The Democrat leaders know this. They are just using that mantra because it works with their gullible, servile base.
At issue, to me, is why have we seen these horrific incidents explode over the last 20-25 years? What correlates with these mass murders? Yes, armed guards and arming teachers and metal detectors make sense, but those things don't address the cause. Is it too much screen time, devices, and the "internet"? Is it related to dysfunctional family environment? Is there a relationship between ADHD (+/- its treatment) and violence? Is it music and entertainment? Is it a result of a change in the way kids are disciplined? I could go on and on, and I don't know the answer, but I do know one thing. It's high time our mental health professionals do some serious study, and pronto. I can tell you that there is a lot of correlation with the things I mentioned but there's a saying we use: "correlation does not imply causation". Asking mental health scientists to study this is a tall order, because most of them are so enmeshed with left wing politics that they will reflexively set their sights on the evil AR-15.
When they had the Sandy Hook shooting my husband said if they guy a shot gun it would have done much more damage or as much, because it would hit several small children with one shot. If someone is going to do something like this not having a gun probably isn't going to stop them. If he hadn't had a gun he might have built a bomb and blowed to whole school up. As Bear says guns aren't the problem. In the 80's almost all the trucks sitting in the parking lot at school had at least one gun in the back window. |
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| There is a huge issue with mental health. I think it's a function of technology. Kids are ignored from the time they are toddlers and old enough to know how to use a phone or tablet because parents use them to keep them occupied. The parents are also on said phones and tablets or computers or gaming systems. It's also a function of lack of parenting and family. The children are left with very little homelife because parents have to work, especially in single parent households. The grandparents are few and far between for a lot of them or the grandparents are raising them. So that leaves teachers with the most time with the kids. They are stretched tight with curriculum and the amount of students in their classrooms, leaving very little time to nurture and foster caring relationships with kids that are meaningful. So on the technology the kids are force fed the negative news that pops up, they are force fed ads for crap, they are continually force fed video games with violence, and even cartoons suck these days, not to mention prime time TV now has cuss words etc and they aren't exactly wholesome shows any longer. Long gone are the days of Mayberry, The Brady Bunch, and Leave it to Beaver. Now it's Teen mom, Survivor (1/2 naked idiots competing isn't wholesome), and lord knows how many singing shows. Yellowstone is a movement that I think plenty of kids watch and while I love that show, it's not wholesome in the slightest! Plus there's so much of the LGBTQ stuff forced down throats. It's no wonder kids don't know what they want to be because they're forced to accept "Be what EVER you want!" |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | .....And yet, even though the media talked about mental health after the Uvalde school massacre, they quickly pivoted to focus their attention on the NRA and gun control measures. They are focusing on the one variable whose alteration will have zero effect on these mass murders. We had a 10 year ban on "assault weapons" from 1994 - 2004. The end result of this ban was studied by our own DOJ, no less. The final report concluded the ban’s success in reducing crimes committed with banned guns was “mixed.” Gun crimes involving "assault weapons declined". However, that decline was “offset throughout at least the late 1990s by steady or rising use of other guns.” As if we needed some expensive study to tell us what practically everyone with an ounce of knowledge and reasoning already knew.
Todays kids are the same in most ways, but they differ significantly versus kids from 30-40 years ago. Kids aren't disciplined the same way. Spanking is taboo. Kids are coddled and pampered. Kids largely seek entertainment from electronic devices. Kids are more isolated from peers, especially in the last 2 years. Many kids are having the most extreme, twisted revolting ideas shoved down their throats. A much greater proportion of today's kids are raised in fatherless homes. Politicians don't want to look at these factors and they don't want to face the challenge of coming up with solutions That's too messy and too hard. They prefer to tackle politically polarizing issues like banning certain rifles that look a certain way. Just like they don't want racism to go away, they want to use anti gun lobbying rhetoric as a political football. Grandstanding works. |
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| JMHO but I think the word Mental Health is a cheap word for EVIL PEOPLE. Anyone who would do this is mentally evil. People don't realize that their really is a satin. He is here. Its very scary but its true |
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       Location: Displaced Iowegian | SEVENTY SEVEN minutes! and one little girl called 911 FOUR TIMES ...... what a disaster! Hopefully "heads will roll" !!!! |
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| solution listen to lt gov of nc mark robinson at nra he had really good points 1 congress is protect our politicans are why not kids we had great thoought i loved his speechhttps://w ww.facebook.com/ralph.thomas.526/videos/1234957413978491 |
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| NJJ - 2022-05-30 8:07 AM
SEVENTY SEVEN minutes! and one little girl called 911 FOUR TIMES ...... what a disaster! Hopefully "heads will roll" !!!!
There is absolutely no NO excuse for this. I also read, not sure of its true or not because there are so many different stories coming out now that his body armor was empty he had no plates in his vest. So why couldn't he be taken out again? Did he get past 3 police officers to get inside? His grandmother is still alive? He shot her in the face and she managed to call 911 still? If the police were in pursuit of him when he crashed his vehicle because he "murdered" his grandma but she called it in ? I'm telling yall, they can't keep the stories straight. But if they knew they had a gunman at large they were in pursuit of in the immediate area why not lock the school down first and foremost ...None of it makes any sense to me. |
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       Location: Displaced Iowegian | want2chase3 - 2022-05-30 3:48 PM
NJJ - 2022-05-30 8:07 AM
SEVENTY SEVEN minutes! and one little girl called 911 FOUR TIMES ...... what a disaster! Hopefully "heads will roll" !!!!
There is absolutely no NO excuse for this. I also read, not sure of its true or not because there are so many different stories coming out now that his body armor was empty he had no plates in his vest. So why couldn't he be taken out again? Did he get past 3 police officers to get inside? His grandmother is still alive? He shot her in the face and she managed to call 911 still? If the police were in pursuit of him when he crashed his vehicle because he "murdered" his grandma but she called it in ? I'm telling yall, they can't keep the stories straight. But if they knew they had a gunman at large they were in pursuit of in the immediate area why not lock the school down first and foremost ...None of it makes any sense to me.
EXACTLY ...... all reports note that it was about 10 minutes BEFORE Ramos went into the building after he had opened fire on witnesses by a nearby funeral home, and a 911 caller reported a man carrying a gun. When that 911 call went in that SCHOOL should have gone into lockdown ..... The door was propped open because a teacher didn't want to mess with getting back in when he/she went out to get their phone ...... The police went in fairly soon after arriving but retreated and stayed OUTSIDE for over an HOUR waiting for a tactical team ...... during that hour a little girl called 911 FOUR times. Like I said....I HOPE lots of "HEADS ROLL" over this mishandled disaster! |
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      Location: Tulsa, Ok | And the story continues to change daily. Law enforcement, all the guys with guns and supposedly trained for active shooter situations, were afraid to go in. Push back from the teacher accused of propping the door. Everyone who should have tried to save some of those children scrambling to cover their ass. Very sad and totally unacceptable. |
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        Location: Broxton, Ga | NJJ - 2022-05-29 6:43 PM
want2chase3 - 2022-05-30 3:48 PM
NJJ - 2022-05-30 8:07 AM
SEVENTY SEVEN minutes! and one little girl called 911 FOUR TIMES ...... what a disaster! Hopefully "heads will roll" !!!!
There is absolutely no NO excuse for this. I also read, not sure of its true or not because there are so many different stories coming out now that his body armor was empty he had no plates in his vest. So why couldn't he be taken out again? Did he get past 3 police officers to get inside? His grandmother is still alive? He shot her in the face and she managed to call 911 still? If the police were in pursuit of him when he crashed his vehicle because he "murdered" his grandma but she called it in ? I'm telling yall, they can't keep the stories straight. But if they knew they had a gunman at large they were in pursuit of in the immediate area why not lock the school down first and foremost ...None of it makes any sense to me.
EXACTLY ...... all reports note that it was about 10 minutes BEFORE Ramos went into the building after he had opened fire on witnesses by a nearby funeral home, and a 911 caller reported a man carrying a gun. When that 911 call went in that SCHOOL should have gone into lockdown ..... The door was propped open because a teacher didn't want to mess with getting back in when he/she went out to get their phone ...... The police went in fairly soon after arriving but retreated and stayed OUTSIDE for over an HOUR waiting for a tactical team ...... during that hour a little girl called 911 FOUR times. Like I said....I HOPE lots of "HEADS ROLL" over this mishandled disaster!
"Uvalde school police chief Pete Arredondo was formally sworn in as a new city council member on Tuesday, despite not responding to a request for a follow-up interview from the Texas Rangers who are investigating last week's school shooting". "Arredondo attended the first couple of press conferences and initially worked with the Texas Rangers on their investigation, but has stopped responding to their requests for a follow-up interview in recent days". I don't like to be a second guesser ......because they are not the one responsible for the crime but it is time to answer questions and why some decisions were made or not made....whch will bring none of the dead back......i do know I would hate to be any of them involved and know children died as we were outside. |
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