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| Nose tie down did nothing in my case, I've never tried a bonnet/headsetter type..when would you consider trying a bonnet type tie down? My case; I have an appendix 14 year old who just cannot get it together on the backside of his 1st and is bowing off so bad that he's almost breaking the timer and sometimes will duck 2nd cause he's on the wrong side. He's very race built. Long backed. Long legs. Long neck. Higher set head etc. Yes he is sound sound sound. He's had ALL the things, also treated again for epm and ulcers currently. It's not physical. This is something he's apparently done a long time that wasn't disclosed to me at purchase. It's definitely a training issue at this point. As we go back to basics during the week, I'm just curious if there is any tool that just MIGHT help even a little. Doesn't matter what bit is in his mouth, we get the same results. So I have gotten curious about headsetters and just wondering if he sounds like one that might benefit? He's disengaging his hind end completely and it's floating out when we add ANY kind of speed from a trott and I think his adrenaline just takes over and he reverts back to old habits.
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Location: North Dakota | Rustynailfl - 2024-04-28 7:37 AM
Nose tie down did nothing in my case, I've never tried a bonnet/headsetter type..when would you consider trying a bonnet type tie down?
My case; I have an appendix 14 year old who just cannot get it together on the backside of his 1st and is bowing off so bad that he's almost breaking the timer and sometimes will duck 2nd cause he's on the wrong side. He's very race built. Long backed. Long legs. Long neck. Higher set head etc. Yes he is sound sound sound. He's had ALL the things, also treated again for epm and ulcers currently. It's not physical. This is something he's apparently done a long time that wasn't disclosed to me at purchase. It's definitely a training issue at this point. As we go back to basics during the week, I'm just curious if there is any tool that just MIGHT help even a little. Doesn't matter what bit is in his mouth, we get the same results. So I have gotten curious about headsetters and just wondering if he sounds like one that might benefit? He's disengaging his hind end completely and it's floating out when we add ANY kind of speed from a trott and I think his adrenaline just takes over and he reverts back to old habits.
How long have you had him? Are YOU doing something to cause it? Reason I ask, is that I experimented with my mare with a tie down and such, until I realized it was ME. If my hand came up too much, then her head came up too. If I keep my hand where it belongs, we don't have a problem. 99% of the time, it's the rider. Sure, it's very possible your horse at age 14, has some deep set bad habits that will take some time to fix. How much slow work have you done so far? (months??) Is it maybe in his best interest NOT to be making runs right now until you can work on the problem more at home slow? | |
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Location: Dubach, LA | All I have for you is hugs. That's hard. Is there a professional trainer nearby that you could ride with or send the horse to for some training? It might be something random like a weak core or just a hole in training. The longer it goes on with you, the more it will be ingrained into both you and the horse. Good luck. | |
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| r_beau - 2024-04-28 11:40 AM
Rustynailfl - 2024-04-28 7:37 AM
Nose tie down did nothing in my case, I've never tried a bonnet/headsetter type..when would you consider trying a bonnet type tie down?
My case; I have an appendix 14 year old who just cannot get it together on the backside of his 1st and is bowing off so bad that he's almost breaking the timer and sometimes will duck 2nd cause he's on the wrong side. He's very race built. Long backed. Long legs. Long neck. Higher set head etc. Yes he is sound sound sound. He's had ALL the things, also treated again for epm and ulcers currently. It's not physical. This is something he's apparently done a long time that wasn't disclosed to me at purchase. It's definitely a training issue at this point. As we go back to basics during the week, I'm just curious if there is any tool that just MIGHT help even a little. Doesn't matter what bit is in his mouth, we get the same results. So I have gotten curious about headsetters and just wondering if he sounds like one that might benefit? He's disengaging his hind end completely and it's floating out when we add ANY kind of speed from a trott and I think his adrenaline just takes over and he reverts back to old habits.
How long have you had him?
Are YOU doing something to cause it? Reason I ask, is that I experimented with my mare with a tie down and such, until I realized it was ME. If my hand came up too much, then her head came up too. If I keep my hand where it belongs, we don't have a problem.
99% of the time, it's the rider.
Sure, it's very possible your horse at age 14, has some deep set bad habits that will take some time to fix.
How much slow work have you done so far? (months??)
Is it maybe in his best interest NOT to be making runs right now until you can work on the problem more at home slow?
2.5 years. I noticed it was something he did the very first run with him, but it wasn't nearly as bad. It's just progressively gotten worse. I took him to a trainer friend of mine yesterday, leaving him with her for a few weeks since I'm just soo over it at this point and I think he's over me too. She rode him for 10 minutes, then made a slow lope through, HE DIDNT EVEN TRY IT WITH HER!! Needless to say, he's staying with her for a bit and I'm taking a few lessons ?? She's watched my videos and watched me run in person. She said I'm not really doing anything wrong, but I'm also not correcting him, he's just getting away with it with me so he's got my number. Just another reminder to CHECK YOURSELF as well. Even though this is something he's done a long time, he is completely capable of doing it correctly if he thinks he has too...I've obviously been waaay too lenient. | |
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| Josh Andrews has a good video on his facebook page explaining the mechanics of a head setter and when he decides if it is something he wants to try with his horse. I use a headsetter with a mare that will sometimes elevate in her turns and just needs a little extra help. I have really liked it. But it isn't something that works on every style or horse. I had a higher headed gelding that needed help collecting in the corners on outdoor pens and thats when a tie down really helped him. It gave him a nice balance point. But he absolutely hated a head setter. | |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | Sounds like your on the right path, but I always have used either very little, but I had a horse back in the day that was high headed, I put a Head setter on him cause it wasn't his nose that was a problem it was him getting his head up, so this worked on the poll while keeping the nose where it should be. Then went to a bonnet, which completely works on the poll. I went to a 3 day show and 2nd run my picture (I bought all 3 ;) ) but I forgot to snap it down and his head was in EXACTLY the same spot as when I did so then I took it off and never looked back. A tie down to me is working on the nose, it's a brace thing. I have not used any of these in years, with age comes wisdom and I have tweeked my horsemanship and riding skills to rely more on my legs and body cues and having them broke more then a tool... they all have their place, but not in my trailer  | |
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