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Location: No Where | Is it just me or did the NBHA stall fees go up this year? I thought they were 50 now they are 63!!! JMPO, NBHA is getting left in the dust!! Other associations are doing what the competitors want and NBHA is just doing what ever they want. Shoot, our district director wants to up our entry fees this year. We hardly have anyone coming to our races anymore cause so many people have been ticked off. Myself included. When we only have maybe 15 at the very most it doesn't pay for me to even take two horses. Even if I won , the check wouldn't even cover my fuel. All I know is I can't wait for a director change. Sorry, had to vent!!!!!!!!!!! The whole situation would make a preacher cuss!!! |
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| This is oneof MANY reasons why I quit running with NBHA. Somehow we the people aren't taken in consiteration anymore  |
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| $63 for a stall? For one night? That's ridiculous.... |
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Location: Taylor, TX | It is $63 for the weekend, but that is still ridiculous. The arena charges NBHA a flat fee for the stalls, then NBHA adds on their office charges, labor charges, etc. I still run NBHA and enjoy my district, but I don't attend any of the big shows because of the extremely high entry fees, stall fees, office charges, etc. Like you pointed out, there are too many big shows that don't charge these high fees and normally have more added money than NBHA! |
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| wow, I think for that kind of money I'd have to buy those portable panels you can set up on your trailer ! |
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Location: Omaha, NE | That does seem awefully high. I show Paint and the stall fees are $15-25. |
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Location: Oklahoma | They won't let you use portable panels if they're like our state show. No tie outs, no panels...They're getting way too greedy IMO. I used to love the NBHA, but I feel like they aren't catering to the little people now and that's who made them big in the FIRST place and that's probably who will bring them down. |
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Location: Taylor, TX | Diane, I totally agree with you. They have gotten way to greedy. BTW, my maiden name is Gwin. My dad traced his ancestors back to Wales and it was selled Gwynn back then. Who knows, we may be related somewhere way back there! |
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Location: USA | Most of the shows I go to, stalls are 25 to 45 dollars a NIGHT! $63.00 is not that bad to me. Most associations do charge like 5.00 over what they are charged. |
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Lady Di
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Location: Oklahoma | What burns me is that if you want to go only on Saturday and Sunday of a 3 day show (say you work on Friday like most of us) and you only want to stay Saturday nite, you still have to pay the same as someone who stays 3 nites!!! No way is that fair....I wish they'd just rent the stalls out for the nite like they do RV spots...what you use, you pay for...they're already making enough on processing fees, timer fees, office fees, hat fines, exhibition fines, etc.,etc., etc....They're dollaring the little working family person right out of barrel racing. |
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Location: BFE, Florida | Ha.. our State Finals are $100 a stall.. its gone up every year. We have been through 4 Directors in the last 6 years... Is that normal? We must be a nasty bunch..LOL! |
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Location: Barnesville, GA |  The Stink of that $63. is that they will charge additional $18, just for 3 bags of shavings before you can put your horse in the stall, so technically, the stalls are $81. One of the key reasons I'm not attending the DIXIE NAT'L this weekend, on top of the $50 per entry late fees. But hey, they have 415 pre entered, big show, BIGGER PROFIT MARGIN when you just look at the stalls. I like D&G, and Fortune 5, Fortune 5 is just getting going, but D&G are for Westerners, mainly TX,but I did go to the DeRidder, LA show and had a blast. NBHA will soon realize the competition is getting stronger, and Barrel Racing will be in for another change.
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Lady Di
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Location: Oklahoma | Wow! No kidding!!! Where are you from??? J/K I think the problem may be that no one wants to work any more...they expect to make tons of money without doing much work and when they find out it's a LOT of work without much money, they throw in the towel. What ever happened to volunteers?? |
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Location: BFE, Florida | FL here... State Finals r $100 stall & $100 entry. If you wanna come a day early to get settled in its an extra $20. Oh well, I'm going anyway.. its like my mini vacation. |
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Location: South MS | OK! Had to throw in my two cents here!.....
As a new district director I have to ask...What's a volunteer??!!!??
Yes, fees for a lot of big shows are getting out of hand! Timer fees...gate fees...stall fees (for whole weekend even if you only want one night)....processing fees...not to mention the ENTRY fees - lots of people want to do nothing but make money - even if it means running off the "little" people. It is becoming a sad situation.
I realize that it takes money to put on a show (arena rental fee, deposit, concession stand), but when you make it affordable AND enjoyable, you will make your money back (and then some!). You will also gain a reputation as someone that puts on a good show with reasonable fees, therefore, you will get even more people coming to your shows - hence, more money to be made! hmmmmm...............what are they thinking??
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Location: Wisconsin | Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think that the facilities where the shows are being held are more to blame than the NBHA. The NBHA is just passing on an increase that the facility already put into place. Remember, the association has to rent the entire facility and then try to get their money back. I think the fees are out of line as well, for that cost we should expect and have armed guards at every isle and never have to worry about our horses or tack being stolen!! |
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| This subject has been brought up time and time again. I don't think it will ever get any better because no one will do anything about it, everyone just goes ahead and pays the prices(not me the last 2/3 years). As long as people pay it they are going to charge it. |
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Location: Washington | NBHA has lost it along with others. I am hoping that more get to the point that we all are and quit going to the shows that are charging you out the wazoo. I can make more money at local jackpots/rodeo's simply because they are closer(less fuel cost BIG ISSUE FOR ME this year),not having to pay a processing fee, not having to buy a stall and shavings. ect. Never thought we would see the day that barrel racing would become the rich man's/women game. So where are all of you drawing the line on entry fee's % being paid back? |
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Location: Florida | Originally written by Pony Up! on 2004-04-13 3:37 PM
Ha.. our State Finals are $100 a stall.. its gone up every year. We have been through 4 Directors in the last 6 years... Is that normal? We must be a nasty bunch..LOL! The stalls are high for a reason. They are holding the finals at the brand new Silver Spurs 84 million dollar arena. EVERYTHING in Orlando/Kissimmee is expensive. There is also $30,000 added! |
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Location: Wisconsin | Originally written by fatchance on 2004-04-14 8:05 AM NBHA has lost it along with others. I can make more money at local jackpots/rodeo's simply because they are closer(less fuel cost BIG ISSUE FOR ME this year),not having to pay a processing fee, not having to buy a stall and shavings. ect.
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Location: The Road Less Traveled | RockinH - I think it has a lot to do with just the NBHA because we have an arena where the NBHA has had shows with outragious entry fees and stall fees and then another association will come in there and have the same kind of show with lower fees all the way around. Blvdgirl - the stall fees for the past couple of years for the Florida State show have been $100. It has nothing to do with where it is this year and how much money is added. I heard the comment that the reason why Florida fees were so high was because of the number of entries - that they didn't want so many entries. I think that is funny, but that's just me. |
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Location: AR/OK State Line | Originally written by fatchance on 2004-04-14 8:05 AM NBHA has lost it along with others. I am hoping that more get to the point that we all are and quit going to the shows that are charging you out the wazoo. I can make more money at local jackpots/rodeo's simply because they are closer(less fuel cost BIG ISSUE FOR ME this year),not having to pay a processing fee, not having to buy a stall and shavings. ect. Never thought we would see the day that barrel racing would become the rich man's/women game. So where are all of you drawing the line on entry fee's % being paid back?  |
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Location: Kansas | They were 63 at Wichita last year for concrete stalls! You prob know bce you live close enough. You can pull into the coliseum & rent a stall for $20 night. We the people have not been in consideration of NBHA for some time. We should all do the math before we send our fees. Come on 70% payback with those kind of fees? Just the processing pays for the facility. 540 entries last year *25 is 13,500. And that is just the open. Just who exactly says who we get for a dist director? It should be the dist members. Ah well. How do you decide which show to go? I look at the ppl in charge and consider who I would rather pay. |
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Location: South Dakota | Originally written by RockinH on 2004-04-14 6:45 AM Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think that the facilities where the shows are being held are more to blame than the NBHA. The NBHA is just passing on an increase that the facility already put into place. Remember, the association has to rent the entire facility and then try to get their money back. I think the fees are out of line as well, for that cost we should expect and have armed guards at every isle and never have to worry about our horses or tack being stolen!! |
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| If everyone would add up all the fee's of going and then figure what the percentage of there money they are really running at I think they would be shocked. The money from stall fee's, shavings, and processing fee's alone will pay a lot of fuel cost and entry fee's else where. |
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Location: The South | 1. Stall use should be based on a per night use.2. PRODUCERS - MAKE MONEY ON NUMBER OF ENTRIES NOT DOLLARING US TO DEATH.... |
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Location: Florida | Originally written by rodeo chiggar on 2004-04-14 9:22 AM RockinH - I think it has a lot to do with just the NBHA because we have an arena where the NBHA has had shows with outragious entry fees and stall fees and then another association will come in there and have the same kind of show with lower fees all the way around. Blvdgirl - the stall fees for the past couple of years for the Florida State show have been $100. It has nothing to do with where it is this year and how much money is added. I heard the comment that the reason why Florida fees were so high was because of the number of entries - that they didn't want so many entries. I think that is funny, but that's just me. Hey, just going by hearsay!!! |
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Location: Wyoming | I just need to say that our NBHA district and state are wonderful and very well run. The only time I see stall fees get a little high is during the Western Nationals. So I just hall back and forth. |
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Location: Wyoming | Originally written by fatchance on 2004-04-14 7:05 AM NBHA has lost it along with others. I am hoping that more get to the point that we all are and quit going to the shows that are charging you out the wazoo. I can make more money at local jackpots/rodeo's simply because they are closer(less fuel cost BIG ISSUE FOR ME this year),not having to pay a processing fee, not having to buy a stall and shavings. ect. Never thought we would see the day that barrel racing would become the rich man's/women game. So where are all of you drawing the line on entry fee's % being paid back? |
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RE: NBHA Stall fees