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    Location: In my own little HOT world | should i search for a feed with higher fat content or just add a supplement? |
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 The Dubai Princess
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      Location: on airplane in some other country | i would love to know of a high fat content feed. right now i can only find a 8% let me know if you know of one higher. |
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Blessed 
                      Location: Here | Personally I just add my own that way I know exactly what they are getting. |
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 Ms. Mississippi
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    Location: In my own little HOT world | hey J, what do you use??? |
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| Originally written by SG. on 2004-04-15 3:26 PM
Personally I just add my own that way I know exactly what they are getting. same here. the only way for me to be sure that I have it right is to add it myself. |
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 Diva
    Location: SP, Brazil | You need to be careful when you add fat to your feed. Whenever you add something to your feed you lose something else. By topdressing your feed with fat you lose calcium, copper, zinc, etc. Also, studies have shown that feed with a fat content higher than 12% would have advers affects on a horses perfromance. 8%-10% has shown to have the greatest affect on glycogen storage and perfromance. Our feed is a 10% fat feed, but we are always analyzing and testing our rations because when you add that much fat you lose so many other nutrients. If I were you I would just purchase the 8% fat feed you are looking at and leave it at that. You can really cause more harm than good when adding fat. I hope all that made sense. |
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    Location: Nebraska | Sharp, once again thank you for sharing your knowledge. I'm still going to send that form to you. I have it right here on my desk LOL, geesh I am slow. I want you to know that I did talk to my feedstore and got my grain mix to what I feel is a little more balanced. Thank you for making me aware of my deficiencies. Although I see your point about the fat and adding it, I am still curious if anyone is feeding the Natural Glow Pellets and what it is doing for them. |
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Blessed 
                      Location: Here | Originally written by Fly on 2004-04-15 3:40 PM
hey J, what do you use??? I feed RBO from Mcclaughleys. It doesn't upset the mineral balance as it is naturally Vitamin E and gamma orzonal... I know my spelling sucks. LOL But anyways I feed 1.5 cups to the hard keeper and about 1/3 cup to the easy keeper. |
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    Location: SP, Brazil | Originally written by ride_n_slide1 on 2004-04-15 4:01 PM Sharp, once again thank you for sharing your knowledge. I'm still going to send that form to you. I have it right here on my desk LOL, geesh I am slow. I want you to know that I did talk to my feedstore and got my grain mix to what I feel is a little more balanced. Thank you for making me aware of my deficiencies. Although I see your point about the fat and adding it, I am still curious if anyone is feeding the Natural Glow Pellets and what it is doing for them. No hurry on the form. I think that you will really like the program. As far as using the Natural Glow Pellets, you would probably be OK. I have not looked at the analysis of them, but I am going to assume that the fat in them has been balanced with the correct amount of vitamins and minerals. I would just be aware of what you are feeding. Hope you are having a good day! |
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| Originally written by Sharp on 2004-04-15 3:49 PM You need to be careful when you add fat to your feed. Whenever you add something to your feed you lose something else. By topdressing your feed with fat you lose calcium, copper, zinc, etc. Also, studies have shown that feed with a fat content higher than 12% would have advers affects on a horses perfromance. 8%-10% has shown to have the greatest affect on glycogen storage and perfromance. Our feed is a 10% fat feed, but we are always analyzing and testing our rations because when you add that much fat you lose so many other nutrients. If I were you I would just purchase the 8% fat feed you are looking at and leave it at that. You can really cause more harm than good when adding fat. I hope all that made sense. Hey Sharp, thanks! I was just wondering where you went to school to learn all this? My cousin is looking into an animal science degree and more specifically equine nutrition, do you reccommend a specific school for this? Thanks in advance for the info. so that I can pass it on. You really have a wealth of knowledge here. |
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        Location: AR/OK State Line | Originally written by Sharp on 2004-04-15 3:49 PM You need to be careful when you add fat to your feed. Whenever you add something to your feed you lose something else. By topdressing your feed with fat you lose calcium, copper, zinc, etc. Also, studies have shown that feed with a fat content higher than 12% would have advers affects on a horses perfromance. 8%-10% has shown to have the greatest affect on glycogen storage and perfromance. Our feed is a 10% fat feed, but we are always analyzing and testing our rations because when you add that much fat you lose so many other nutrients. If I were you I would just purchase the 8% fat feed you are looking at and leave it at that. You can really cause more harm than good when adding fat. I hope all that made sense. When reading this post I was going to tell her to ask Sharp but you beat me to it I sent off my Tunica stuff. See you there <--- Me at the bar at Tunica |
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    Location: SP, Brazil | burn3wi, You made me blush. Anyway, I went to school at Oklahoma State Univeristy and actually got my MS in dairy nutrition. Oklahoma does not have much to offer as far as equine nutrition goes. Although I am a member of the American Registry of Professional Animal Scientists and am required to maintain so many credit hours. I also co-own an equine feed manufacturing facility and I am a member of the American Feed Industry Assoc. I received a majority of my equine nutrition education from Colorado State Univeristy. I have attended many equine nutrition seminars from there. I have also attended and have participated in some research studies at KER. If I were to suggest to someone that wanted to learn and study equine nutrition I would suggest Colorado State Univerity. The doctors and researchers there are very open minded and very adept to the performance and the growing horse. I hope I haven't made this too long and I hope that I answered your question!
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 Belle of the Ball
        Location: AR/OK State Line | Sharp and I both went to Oklahoma State University. I got a degree in Aminal Science/ Food Science. I think Sharp was Animal Science/Nutrition. I would highly recommend this school. Learned lots and had tons of fun along the way. Tell her to watch out for the bars on the strip. Sharp also has her own feed business. she is very good with this stuff. We must have posted at the same time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Location: SP, Brazil | Originally written by Bellestar on 2004-04-15 4:20 PM Sharp and I both went to Oklahoma State University. I got a degree in Aminal Science/ Food Science. I think Sharp was Animal Science/Nutrition. I would highly recommend this school. Learned lots and had tons of fun along the way. Tell her to watch out for the bars on the strip. Sharp also has her own feed business. she is very good with this stuff.  Can't wait for Tunica either! If you want to have fun, just hang out with me and a friend of mine. Will you be able to go Thursday night? |
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 Belle of the Ball
        Location: AR/OK State Line | As far as I know. I was planning on taking off Thurs and Fri. sometimes work is crazy though so I might not be able to leave till after work on Thurs. I will let you know |
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| I am always on the look out for some high in fat- Martindale feed names a 9% acco makes several also not sure of the fat content but its pretty high- thats all I buy |
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    Location: SP, Brazil |     <---- Me at Tunica!
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     Location: Barnesville, GA | I like 10% fat, my horses seem to have a blood level just near boiling when it comes to running, so I try to not add much. I have been using the PURINA Horsemans edge, 12%p 10% fat. Doesn't seem to upset the brain vs "flight" syndrome. But it is high priced @ 8.49/bag |
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        Location: AR/OK State Line |   Here I am---->       |
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    Location: SP, Brazil | Higher levels of fat seem to have a calming effect in the horse. It is too much protein that can cause a horse to be nervous. If I am near a computer tomorrow I can show everyone the difference between fat and protein and how it metabolized in the horse and how high fat increases performance. |
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    Location: SP, Brazil | You're killing me! I sure am glad that it is time to go home! C-ya tomorrow! |
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     Location: Somewhere Out of My Mind | Originally written by Sharp on 2004-04-15 3:20 PM burn3wi, You made me blush. Anyway, I went to school at Oklahoma State Univeristy and actually got my MS in dairy nutrition. Oklahoma does not have much to offer as far as equine nutrition goes. Although I am a member of the American Registry of Professional Animal Scientists and am required to maintain so many credit hours. I also co-own an equine feed manufacturing facility and I am a member of the American Feed Industry Assoc. I received a majority of my equine nutrition education from Colorado State Univeristy. I have attended many equine nutrition seminars from there. I have also attended and have participated in some research studies at KER. If I were to suggest to someone that wanted to learn and study equine nutrition I would suggest Colorado State Univerity. The doctors and researchers there are very open minded and very adept to the performance and the growing horse. I hope I haven't made this too long and I hope that I answered your question! Sharp, Did you by any chance get to meet or listen to any siminars done by Dr. Irlebeck or Dr. Sicilano? (I may have misspelled them, I hope not). They are wonderful in the realm of nutrition. I took nutrition classes from both when I was at CSU. I'm hoping to get some money put togeather to go back and get my MS and maybe my pHD in Equine Performance Nutrition. I'm really hoping I can atleast get my MS. Do you know if the seminars are open to anyone that they offer? I've looked into some of the "Seminar" classes they offer for Nutrition but was not sure if they would be worth it or not. Thanks! I really enjoy reading your posts along with SG's. Both of you have some great knowledge, thank you for sharing it with us here. |
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Blessed 
                      Location: Here | Evergreen's Energy & Oats is high in fat and has no added molasses.
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| Originally written by Sharp on 2004-04-15 4:20 PM burn3wi, You made me blush. Anyway, I went to school at Oklahoma State Univeristy and actually got my MS in dairy nutrition. Oklahoma does not have much to offer as far as equine nutrition goes. Although I am a member of the American Registry of Professional Animal Scientists and am required to maintain so many credit hours. I also co-own an equine feed manufacturing facility and I am a member of the American Feed Industry Assoc. I received a majority of my equine nutrition education from Colorado State Univeristy. I have attended many equine nutrition seminars from there. I have also attended and have participated in some research studies at KER. If I were to suggest to someone that wanted to learn and study equine nutrition I would suggest Colorado State Univerity. The doctors and researchers there are very open minded and very adept to the performance and the growing horse. I hope I haven't made this too long and I hope that I answered your question! Thanks Sharp, very informative. I forwarded this thread along to my cousin, I'm sure she will really appreciate it. Makes me wish I could afford going back to school to study this stuff, so interesting! Here I am stuck with my ol boring marketing degree.... |
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     Location: texas | i ad one cup of granola it is by pennifield. to their feeds 2x's a day. it is %10 fat. it worked great on a mare that i have had weight problems with since i have owned her. |
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Confused
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    Location: Where the Lord wants me to be | Originally written by ride_n_slide1 on 2004-04-15 4:01 PM Sharp, once again thank you for sharing your knowledge. I'm still going to send that form to you. I have it right here on my desk LOL, geesh I am slow. I want you to know that I did talk to my feedstore and got my grain mix to what I feel is a little more balanced. Thank you for making me aware of my deficiencies. Although I see your point about the fat and adding it, I am still curious if anyone is feeding the Natural Glow Pellets and what it is doing for them. In response to your question on the Natural Glo, I feed the Patriot pellt (which crumble in your fingers, highly palatable with the Moorglo, it is 18% fat, calcium phosphorous balanced, with a complete vitamin mineral supplement. Tha new Natural Glo nuggets are also calcium phosphorous balanced. They are awesome products. The Moorglo has done wonders for one of my horses, he is VERY high, still is high but he is contrllable versus what he used to be. Both of my horses are very healthy. The Moorglo also caontains natural vit E, B-complex, all balanced with the Gro strong minerals too!!! I love it. You have to be careful of where the fat content is coming from too, & Moormans uses the best quality ingredients. Sorry just wanted to let you know. I too like Sharps knowledge, I do a lot of studying on Equine nutrition as I can. 
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 Having Smokin Bandits
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     Location: Woodstown, NJ | Sharp, do you know Dr. Sarah Ralston? She's at Rutgers now. I was lucky to have her for a neighbor for a time. She is such a smart woman. Like you. |
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| Has anyone heard of Golden Coat. Suppose to be high in fat liquid you can put in your oats to help keep the dust down instead of using the molasses |
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