I stumbled upon a live story on one of my Facebook group sales pages last night about a well known certain individual running a well know little sorrel mare under a different name. Did anyone else see this story? Apparently it was at a benefit barrel race. I'm a bit confused how that can happen and especially with a horse that is so well known in the industry and they are able to get away with it. After the story was posted a lot more horror stories about the same person started coming in. Wow.. is all I've got to say. Shouldn't be really that surprising because I know there are a lot of counterfeit folks in every single sport but still. There was talk of threats being made as well at races, to this gal who came forward.. 

Would you mind PM'ing me the persons name. If it is who I think, I may have an explanation. 

We shouldnt be surprised. Right away it will be her posting her "vlog" about snakes and how she has haters because she won the world, it happens every single time. 

It's been interesting reading.   People want to complain about Equistat and how UTD it is and how they can't get their horses stuff on there, well entering as horse 1, horse 2 and so on then there is this side, of entering one horse but running another.  if this was a subsitution for a horse, it should have been told to the producer before the run.  but from what I read, it happened twice in one week. things that make ya go....hummmmmmm 

But I did read the producer made the change and will submit correct horse to Equistat. so that is cool.   

Where can this be read?

It was posted on facebook.

Why would anyone care what name a person ran a horse under?  I don’t see where it is a big issue. I have a hard enough time tending to my own business at a barrel race much less checking to see what horse a person is running. I would think a producer has enough to do without going back and changing names to be reported to equbase too. I had a horse accidentally listed with the wrong name (right words wrong order) at a large barrel race. I contacted the office and never did get the name corrected.  

Because when it is submitted to equistat those earnings would be under the wrong horse, which in turn can up the value of the horse when sold. 

Are you living in outer space? 

Because if you are KNOWINGLY selling a 3D horse AS a 1D horse with false 1D results there is a little fraud going on. Pretty sure the buyer would care.

Some people are like this so they can take other people's hard earn money without blinking a eye by cheating on something like this when they are in the business of selling, but they cry when caught and say they didnt do this on purpose just a honest mistake.. YEA RIGHT!!!! How long have you been in this business?!!And how many times have you been busted on cheats? HUMMMM

I am not trying to play the devil's advocate because there has been a many of questionable thing go on with this person, but she does have some colts right now that I have mistaken for the champ. I have never mistaken one as the sister though. I hope that all is resolved and the right thing happens, whatever the case. 

I’m from the planet where I see people showing videos where they have won the 1D multiple times at races where there are 30 horses. Probably 3D at best at really big shows. I would certainly think you could probably tell by the horse in a video if it was the same horse and if the horse was actually a 1D horse.  I see a lot of videos that you can certainly tell the horse isn’t 1D.  Guess I am from the planet called BE EDUCATED

When it's an extremely popular and well know horse and rider trying to cheat the system, people are going to notice and say something. Nothing was changed or corrected by the person after it came to everyone's attention and nothing was said when the check was picked up. Its shady as heck. And now reading more and more bad dealings with this person are coming forward. Shes a fraud, not like I had a ton of it for her anyway but shes now lost more peoples respect. Money and stats got the best of her. Too bad. I understand it happens but when your name and that horse are in the spotlight you dont exactly fly under the radar...

Yes, the producer submitted the correct horse to equistat .... and from what I've read, she didnt say anything about that .. she got busted plain and simple. I dont follow her on an social media anymore, haven't for a while, but someone also said there was something amiss with one of the jumpers she was involved with as well. And she was on social media claiming she had haters trying to tear her down. The video I watched the gal straight up said this wasnt an opportunity to bash her or her program, she just wanted justice for everyone at that BENEFIT barrel race because no matter who it is, it's not fair to anyone and she wanted to try to make it right. She said she has some super nice up and comers and she wished her well but this was taking it to far. 

So your totaly cool with a NFR mare being ran with a 4D mares name? 

Let’s not forget that embryo’s are being pulled out of said lower D mare. A baby out of a “1D” mare can be priced a lot higher than a 3D mare.

I can see all sorts of reasons why you would want a mare to look better on paper than what she truly is. It’s all about $$$. It always have been, and always will be when it comes to F.

I did find it highly amusing that TS was questioning the morals of marketing horses unscrupulously. Pot...meet kettle.

 I posted the same sort of resonce on a friends post about it on fb and her responce back to me was so classless. Cant ever argue against her she will cut you down both sides. 

I saw TS post on a fb page she is an admin on. I just did a quick google search and wow she had no room to say anything about anyone.

These type just dont have no SHAME when it comes to money..They will do anything for that old mighty dollar 

I'm home sick today, so bear with me on my slow-on-the-uptake mind. . . Would this be done to up the value of unknown mare/her foals?   Like substituting Peyton Manning for a high school QB so high schooler can get straight to NFL offers?  

Exactly.

Pretty much..

Secondly, if my horse wins second in the 1D behind a horse that is an NFR qualifier and known tough competitor, the stats for my horse and the dollar value he's worth increases.  If my horse runs second in the 1D behind a horse who has mostly 3D stats elsewhere, maybe my horse isn't a true 1D horse either.  Not only does it affect the two horses in question and their viable statistics and credentials, but every single horse that ran behind the two horses in question.  That's a big part of the problem here as well.  A horse that ran second to (or a half second off of - or whatever) "Sister" is worth a whole heck of alot more than a horse who ran second to (or a second off of) "Sister's" sister, who ironically looks alot like the real Sister, but is usually a 3D horse.  Make sense?  This switcharoo affected the credentials of every single horse in that jackpot.  There are alot of people who take that very seriously and are making a living training and selling horses who do and should take this kind of thing very seriously.  If we were at a playday, I don't care if the horse is entered as Mickey Mouse, but at a decent sized jackpot with some really nice horses, a futurity, derby, etc....this is clearly a problem.

I thank both of y'all!!!

where is the mic drop emoji when I need it?  I was waiting for this to be said.

Because when you enter multiple horses - it's cheating to run the wrong one under a name.  Many of the big shows will disqualify you for that.  It skews results and is simply dishonest.

ha ha ha ha , I can't figure that one out myself

And me...

Alright, can someone PM me what the heck is going on, and who TS is?  

TS was a poster here. She was Queenie then went to Tara & Mordis. She now sells horses out of a kill pen in LA that her husband/boyfriend and his dad own.

And me cause I thought I knew but now don't think I do. . . 

So, I'm now caught up to date and I've seen the fb post myself, I'm just wondering. . . Why does this person in question constantly threaten law suits. . . To multiple people. . .

That's usually a guilty persons way of trying to protect themselves. If it was all truly transparent and truly a mistake or misunderstanding, it should have been addressed publicly instead of just staying quiet and collecting the check. Instead of threatening people or threatening lawsuits. That, IMO, just makes you look more guilty. Shame on her, she wants to be a "pillar of the barrel racing community " especially for young future of the sport barrel racers, that's not how you get ahead, by cheating, threatening lawsuits when you get called out or questioned. My daughter doesnt follow her or even give her a 2nd thought and I'm glad for it. 

Can someone please message me with a name of who did this? I saw Fallon mention the scheme on her blog the other day, but didn’t know what the heck she was talking about. 

I googled her and all I can say is OH MY GOODNESS!!!!!!! How in the Heck can people get away with this Cra*..

If anyone wants the names, they can PM me and I’ll reply. 

I see more than one similarity between these two from just taking a quick peek at social media. . . Or maybe it's just me 

Lots of live videos happening now. I guess a few nerves were struck lol! 

Exactly what I was thinking.

The two biggest crooks in the horse industry going toe to toe. This should get interesting! 

So, let me ask this, is the DNA the same in full sisters? SKM you have shed new light on this as far as that goes... and when it comes to marketing... F is really good at herself. 

No, the DNA is not the same in full sisters

People say it is, but it’s not. Full siblings might produce totally opposite. Special Effort has a full brother that was pretty much a dud.

Nope, just like humans, completely different DNA. Like my sister and I...I have straight hair, her's is curly. She is also 3 inches taller than me...but I'm the nice one. Kidding...ish, LOL. They could both be winners, but they are not the same. 

So, could someone tell me how to look this up? I was at work and missed the whole thing. 

well thats what I thought lol... but giving a 3d mare 1d stats is alot easier... well lol maybe not...

I know TS personally - just from living in the same area she used to live in.  All I can say is that I would never believe 1 word that came out of her mouth!

Search Kelsey Howard DC CAc on FB for the live video. She explains what happened. 

If your refering to T.S. she threatened to sue me years ago. She got my phone # & had the nerve to call threatening me. Needless to say I ripped her a new  _______________.  Nasty human being. She is even worse to the horses. God Bless the horses she has. 

I just saw where on TS's FB she referes to herself as a "life coach". I am dying. 

lol just look at humans ffull brothers and sisters that ought to answer that question

ok i am dumb who the heck is ts

I know that well.. my sisters are nothing like me, right down to hair color, but science and me are not friends.. so I asked... Cant argue with science...  and see above... tells you where to find the full story... 

I don't have an idea either!!!!

Very interesting to read about all of this! So it's sounding like this is not an isolated instance. Is there any legal action that people can take against ones that run under false names? Fraudulent intentions comes to mind. I'm curious if there would be a way to ensure that this does not happen. Do you think that maybe in the future, any pre entries (or any entries) will have to get their horses checked? Seems like a ton of extra work to be sure that this does not happen! Other than being able to take legal action. - In horse racing, every horse gets their lip tattoo checked before every race. But that would not be feasable with a barrel race, at the track there are only 6-12 entries per. Or this is not a very common occurance? 

I have only seen the one video then the FT post about snakes, cant stand to watch TS's posts.... both are so out to lunch! 

I shake my head every time I see that. I’m pretty sure I would not want to be coached about my life by a scam artist. I feel like karma might really bite you if you make what she says your life goals.

I know the bigger barrel races we have here in the north require you to pay a fee and also have proof from vet to change a horse. Most of the time you are not given money back. I know its a slightly different situation but there are things in place to try and prevent what happened. Some people just don't accept the rules for what they are. This isn't a rodeo and honestly even if it was I'd want my horses name right on the sheet if they ask for it..... 

wow this is surprising. since she has no control over her emotions when she snapps at people on fb. 

I just saw an incident on one of her sale horses actually... very snarky reply and then backed up by her significant other, I assume. 

oh yeah she jumped down my throat on fb when someone posted that video the other day and i said she was no better haha i didnt even respond to her just laughed at her reply, she is a mental case who doesnt know how to act

This is all over my FB today, I watched it out of curiosity, guess zebras really don’t change their stripes.  I quit following her when she went from barrel racing to body building and stuff - all marketing to make money, and that’s cool just not my thing.

I don't think she had to change horses, she ran the wrong mare on purpose.  

This is nothing new, years ago ANHA had novice classes and had to go to court when someone ran an open horse in a novice class and won.  I am pretty sure it cost the producers a pretty penny to do the right thing in that case, one of the reasons there are no more novice classes.

It also happened in TB racing right here at Evangeline Downs, pretty elaborate scheme that had to involve at least a couple of grooms being in on the deal.  They were eventually caught, fined etc. and the rules have been changed to avoid that happening again.  

It's crazy how crooked minded people can come up with new ways to cheat.  If they would put that effort in to winning the right way they could do just fine, but I guess they get something out of screwing people over.

Apparently I don’t follow the right people/things on FB because I have seen nothing about it on there. Where should I look? Lol

Apparently, I don’t either because I hvnt seen anything.

After watching the vlog, it seems like she was worried the champ may not clock due to being off for a while. I'm betting she entered under the name of her sis so that if the run went bad it wouldn't stir up rumors that bbflo wasn't clocking/was "done" or something of the sort.  Not that it validates it. Just what I am leaning toward. 

I dont follow any of these people being discussed, I am on a sales page where I happened to see the video, before that,  i didnt even really know who TS was or that she was an admin on it lol! Now that I do know who that is, it shouldn't surprise me she decided to share that video on a page that is dedicated to the sales of  barrel horses, prospects and broodies... perfect opportunity to bash the topic of this thread because of a supposed bad deal that happened between the 2.  Why not!

I guess the point is, when you’re on Top you better make darn sure to dot your i’s and cross your t’s, whether it’s intentional or not you always have “fans” watching you so why even risk it....I just don’t understand 

This may be true but Sheri Cervi would never run the wrong "Stingray" in a jackpot just like Lisa Lockhart would never run the wrong "Louie" or Brittany would never run the wrong "Duke", you get the picture......

Some have morals and some don't, it's just that simple.

Right on! 

I concur 100%, I’m just saying, you would think being someone who has all these followers and people watching you would make sure you are always doing the right thing!  

Playing devils advocate here as I don’t know or follow any of the ladies involved in this...

What are the chances a staff members of hers  pre-entered the horses bc at the time of pre-entries, she was planning on running  Babyflo?  

What if she decided at the last minute to run Neffy instead and truly forgot to correct the mistake? I’m assuming entries were online. 

I have heard of shady stories concerning her and I’m not here to negate that. However, if you exclude the past shady business, would everyone be so quick to assume she was intentionally trying to misrepresent her horses? Could it be an honest mistake from someone who has had previous history of being dishonest? 

Lastly, if someone enters a horse in the open as  “Horse 1”, “Horse2” and so on, can those earnings be entered into equistat? I wasn’t sure if an owner can enter the winnings or it had to be a producer/organization. 

The video explains more.  She didn't forget and it didn't happen just once. 

How do I find this video? I’m so curious. 

I just was thinking "hmmm, I really can't see Lisa doing anything like this."   Not to say I believe she's perfect, but I just see CLASS in certain ladies.  Mrs Cervi included. . . 

Right is right, wrong is wrong.  I feel like it should not matter who you are, what you have won or not won, what D you run in... if you run horse A under horse B's name- you fix it. And if you did it on purpose, its just wrong.   

And as a side bar I don't like horse 1 or horse 2 either.. I feel like if you pre enter and want to make sure a certain horse gets a certain spot, change the name when you get there.  I don't care if you feel like your horse needs a certain spot on the ground, just change the dang name once you decide.   

We just finished the whole horse purchasing process and it was so frustrating to find results.  Tracking barrel horse earnings as it is is very challenging... we have a ton of individual organizations, that have to get x amount of reg names to submit to equistat, if they even want to... no one really looks at AQHA stats on barrel horses, so that whole database is what it is.. So basically, we have to rely on posted results from producers to see who's winning. And if those results are so easily faked, how can you trust anything?

Sure mistakes happen, but once it has been brought to your attention,  you acknowledge it, fix it and cover your a$$ ... not call everyone haters and snakes for calling you on your bs. 

So I was wondering if she had mentioned it on her youtube page and she recently posted this... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9rObGokC0I

The times and placings she mentioned for the horses match the results from one of the races in question and she mentions "rumors" mixing up the two horses but then posts that she ran babyflo. So it kind of seems like she just openly admitted that she did it... right?

The FB video is on the personal page of Kelsey Howard DC CAc. It's a public post, so you don't have to be a FB friend to watch it.

The FB sales group that is discussing the video (and adding many horror stories of their own) is called Barrel Horses, Prospects, & Broodmares.

I am just grateful that a discussion about this person has stayed posted long enough for me to get the scoop, for once! Usually it disappears before I can read anything, lol.

Fake hair, fake eyelashes, fake lips, fake boobs,  get the picture???? 

Thinl you hit it right on the head!! 

I could not watch the entire video.  I made it 10 seconds in and couldn't stand anymore.  There is a flobie group at our local club (whatever the cult followers are called) and they are super obnoxious; pretty sure they will smother you in glitter if anything negative is said about their Queen.  It's similiar to the Beehive followers that Beyonce has.

Pretty comical if you stand back and watch the **** storm.

She has been doing this long enought to know whats shes doing, if it was a mistake, you should fix it as soon as it was brought up with a smile on your face and THANK the one that caught it { the mistake} NOT throw a fit and NOT threaten anyone over it and just move on..This is just not right..

I don't think any threating has happened over this incident. I believe the lady that made the video of the issue was supposedly threatened years ago. 

Oh I was thinking it was this time too on the threats, I apologize

But I think one day shes going to get so caught up in her shady ways that her followers will wake up and find a different person to be impressed with,

I couldn't watch it either. If this is her video in response to the rumors about BF then shes talking in circles, throwing in some music and videos of other horses running, in and out.. trying to avoid the whole subject to throw off anyone who is really paying attention! Shes got plenty of people fooled, but not everyone! 

I am honestly surprised this thread is still alive, usually anything with FT is shut down fast and i am also surprised that miss life coach hasnt been on here screaming at everyone and trying to defend her meat horses. 

Ditto this. If the run went south, Babyflo's record was safe because it was under Neffy's name. If it went well, Neffy gets a win to her credit - which improves the value of both her and her offspring. On paper, it was a win-win either way.

Even getting called out wouldn't have hurt her much this time, because that can be (and has been) spun as a "mistake" or last minute horse change. What has stung a lot more is that this situation has given many people a platform to voice past wrongdoings.

Ditto!!

TS & FT....quite the pair! 

I dont believe she was worried bout babyflo  that horse has already proven herself.  I think it has more to do with making the other horse worth more. 

Just saw this on FB... and I'm not gonna lie... I'm still laughing...

That is just too darn funny

That....... is............AWESOME!!! 

"Smother you in glitter."

Sadly she’s not the only one that does this   There’s a gal in my area that  must taught her how to do this. She would threaten people with a lawsuit if you ever said any kind of remark about her and most knew her shenigans  but didn’t want to step up because she was well liked by those who didn’t have a clue about her no good ways. That’s ok   Their Sins will find them out one day  darkness can’t hide forever

I've never been much of a fan of miss Taylor. Even before she became the world champ I heard she has done some shady stuff, including selling a friend of mine a horse for a substantial amount of money.. and the horse being pulled off the trailer was three-legged lame, and not the same horse she purchased. The shipper wouldn't let her send it back so she had no choice but to keep it. My friend never got an explanation, an apology, a refund ect. and Fallon took her money and ran with it. 

I know people that love and adore her, but she is not one for the winner's circle in my book. I would expect nothing less from a woman of her character. 

Hahaha this one might be even better!

Am I the only one who noticed that Neffy runs to the right and Baby Flo to the left? So easily provable which horse is which on that alone.

My bottom line for FT and it’s my opinion only

but she is just NOT that good!!! Anyone with lots of experience and winning can simply watch the videos for themselves and she is not all that. Not judgement just facts. 

We've clearly figured out who FT is, but will anyone say who TS is? I have name in my head, but not sure it's right. Anyone want to PM me?

When I mentioned this to Lula Bell when this was first posted, she mentioned the left vs right too. . . 

Apparently I have issues cause I can't find the pm button

Tara Sanders 

No, you're not alone, lots of people pointed that out as well. Just one more thing that made the attempt sillier. Also, it didn't really matter if people knew which horse was  physically running as long as the desired results were reflected on paper. A few years from now, when someone was checking records on Equistat, who was going to remember that Neffy wasn't the horse running that day?

The producer of this last race, corrected the name before submitting to EquiStat she said.

There are so many posts on this thread, I must have missed it. 

Oh I don't know if anyone on the thread mentioned it, but I saw it brought up quite a bit on FB and YouTube (before all the critical comments were deleted, lol).

And yes, the producer did correct the results. I was talking about what would have happened if nobody had said anything.

One of the best responses I have read in a long time