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 Ms Bling Bling Sleeze Kitty
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | Has anyone used this? Please share ur results or thoughts... Just wanting info |
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Location: Central California | I went through 2 bags of it on a gelding to see if would help. I did not see any change in how he moved. Sparky's problem was a fracture of the P3 front horn he also had some hock and stiffle trouble. Decided to have the fracture removed and then treated him with IRAP injections. 6 months later he is sound and back to work.
I have used lots of stuff over the years looking for the fix so to speak, what I have learned is most feed throughs don't work for me. |
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Ms Bling Bling Sleeze Kitty
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | thanks werope! |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I used it on my navicular mare back when I was still running her. I had xrays done right before I started her on the TLC and again a year later. Even my vet said he was impressed with what he saw after my "miracle supplement". Its not like the xrays showed improvement but they weren't any worse and that's all I hoped for. I kept her on it while I competed on her along with good shoeing. I retired her a few years ago to become a pasture ornament and give me a couple babies. When I fed the TLC it was in the old days when it was 3 buckets of different supplements so it was a yucky powdery mess and she hated it. With todays pellets it would be well worth the try. I should also say I noticed a difference in 2 weeks after I started feeding it. |
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 Damn Yankee
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I'm using it right now but won't know until we stay again in May of it's helping. We aren't riding that horse right now |
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Location: Here | I love this product! Seen it work on 3 different horses! |
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Location: Here | I will say though I know it depends on what the problem is with the horse |
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Ms Bling Bling Sleeze Kitty
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | My gelding has the start of navicular and I seen a ad for this stuff... Upon reading it seemed they recommended additional stuff as well as the equi-bone as far as cost effective I'm wondering if nerving would b a better option ... If u get results u have to keep them on it don't ya? |
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Location: Central California | cindyt - 2013-12-29 4:51 PM
My gelding has the start of navicular and I seen a ad for this stuff... Upon reading it seemed they recommended additional stuff as well as the equi-bone as far as cost effective I'm wondering if nerving would b a better option ... If u get results u have to keep them on it don't ya?
Yes if you get results I would think you would stay with it. Do not nerve until you have no other choice to keep one sound. There are many different ways to shoe one to keep em sound. There also is Previcox. |
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Location: Here | cindyt - 2013-12-29 6:51 PM My gelding has the start of navicular and I seen a ad for this stuff... Upon reading it seemed they recommended additional stuff as well as the equi-bone as far as cost effective I'm wondering if nerving would b a better option ... If u get results u have to keep them on it don't ya?
Plain grain and equibone should provide some relief. I was amazed at one gelding that had a fracture coffin joint. (old). and it made him very happy no more foot pointing no more feet hurting. I would try it in s minute over nerving, I tried the nerving years ago and the nerves rerouted and grew back
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | Had a lot of success on my navicular gelding |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | cindyt - 2013-12-29 6:51 PM My gelding has the start of navicular and I seen a ad for this stuff... Upon reading it seemed they recommended additional stuff as well as the equi-bone as far as cost effective I'm wondering if nerving would b a better option ... If u get results u have to keep them on it don't ya?
IMO since its at the beginning stages of navicular I would definately try it. Like SG pointed out, feed with plain grain, throw in an ounce of ACV. When I fed it I figured it was like anything else I had to try at that point and it was going to be a gamble with my money. If I could tell a difference I'd keep on and if I didn't I'd quit feeding it. Lucky for me I could tell a difference. |
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Damn Yankee
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Keep in mind many vets will no longer nerve a horse. I know plenty of vets will, but the vet that is treating my mare made it very clear he would not nerve her (not that I was even considering it) because of the nature of her navicular. She has rough changes in the cartilage along the bottom of the navicular bone, and he said nerving her could cause very very severe damage to her deep digital. I agree nerving should be a very last option |
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Ms Bling Bling Sleeze Kitty
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | Nerving isn't as vodoo as I once thought it was when I did research on it... it's a matter of cost for me, I am single and on my own, so it's to the point where I doubt I can afford it, I found it interesting it's all done with lazer now and recovery time is not much at all for nerving....and at least a buck a day for this EB for a maybe, I doubt I can do that either along with the 2 other things TLC suggests you ad, I know it's going to be more costly then I thought when I started this thread...
If I got raves reviews I would have considered it more, but after doing more research, very few have had good results, I suppose it's like feeding a joint supplement.
My shoer reset him a couple of degree's up, and moved his breakover and he seems to be getting along alot better now, but it's looking more likely he will be a pasture mate to the young guns....
Thanks everyone for the input! Its much appreciated!!! |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | What are the other things TLC wants you to add? |
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Damn Yankee
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Try bar shoes? Not a cure obviously but with some horses the heel support can help. I didn't see where TLC said you must use what they suggested, they only suggested it. This is how I see it, it's 262 dollars a bucket. Loading dose is five months. That's two buckets. A lil over 500. For myself it's a risk well worth taking if it does work, and if it doesn't, then I can deal with the 500 I'm out. I'm not looking to cure my mare or race her ever again. She only has navicular in one foot and is sound as a dollar right now. You or any other stranger to her would never know, but I figured it out through X-rays when she started dropping into barrels. My only goal is to slow the progression of it since she is only twelve.
she has been on it for a little over a month and also has bar shoes on. She also has not been ridden in a few months, and she is a horrendous witch right now which means she's feeling a whole lot better but until we X-ray again there's no way of knowing if it's helping.
im not suggesting that you don't nerve your horse, just cover all your bases before you do |
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Location: Texas | My son's 16.1, 1385 lb Heading Horse , Featured Zipper, was diagnosed with Navicular in his right front foot. He has such small, deep, narrow feet for such a big horse, it was inevitable that we would eventually have feet problems. Zip would not stand when the Shoer went to do his back feet because he was so uncomfortable on his front. Since feeding him the Equi-Bone, he stands with no problems. We have gone through the 2 bags of the loading dose of Equi-Bone and are now feeding the maintenance dose. He is doing great!!
The shoer commented that his feet seemed to be getting a lot of circulation because they have finally started spreading out. We do have an aluminum egg bar with a wedge on Zip. This is the only shoe that seemed to work on him before we started the Equi-Bone, so he has continued shoeing him with it. We had tried so many things(even barefoot) to get his feet to spread out.
Our Shoer recommended that we try it. He has 3 other clients on it that have had amazing results. One lady that has a barefoot horse, that he only trims, was diagnosed with Navicular. She took her horse back to the vet after 8 months for X-Rays, no signs of Navicular were found. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | I'm using it on 2 horses right now, both had hock fractures. The one, had bone spurs developing that were interfering with some soft tissue around the hock and they were really bothering her. She has shown tremendous improvement.
The other horse also had a hock fracture and I just took her to have new rad's taken of her. She is healed up really well and I was able to start back riding her 10 days ago.
I'm just keeping these 2 on it since they have had problems.
All I am feeding it with for grain is plain, steam rolled oats and I put some Healthy Coat oil and some Gastrix (a liquid ulcer preventative) in it. |
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Location: Lala Land | I've been feeding for almost 2 months, don't buy the powder... it's a mess and he seems to only love it some days. I emailed the company and got a response right away about the feeding options. He said that there is more options when using the EB w/ navicular horses. I feed Triple Crown Complete and he advised that he felt comfortable leaving him on that. You might call or email... great company to work with. |
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Location: Lala Land | SG. - 2013-12-29 4:18 PM I love this product! Seen it work on 3 different horses!
I'm so glad you commented on this post, I've been meaning to pick your brain about Navicular. My guy is on the Equi-bone and Isoxuprine, do you think the PHT bell boots would make a difference as well? |
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Location: Here | Lovin Life - 2013-12-30 10:12 AM SG. - 2013-12-29 4:18 PM I love this product! Seen it work on 3 different horses!
Yes. It increases the blood flow The Bell Boots and this product work very well together |
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Location: Lala Land | SG. - 2013-12-30 10:47 AM Lovin Life - 2013-12-30 10:12 AM SG. - 2013-12-29 4:18 PM I love this product! Seen it work on 3 different horses!
Thank you!! Happy New Year! |
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Ms Bling Bling Sleeze Kitty
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | Ive tried the mag bell boots too and no results :(
I have come to realize the joint supplements I have fed for years have basically been a waste of money as well... hense my questioning of this feed through...
I am beginning to think none of them work for me... and just feed and retire is cheaper lol
jk of course....
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | Lovin Life - 2013-12-30 10:10 AM
I've been feeding for almost 2 months, don't buy the powder... it's a mess and he seems to only love it some days. I emailed the company and got a response right away about the feeding options. He said that there is more options when using the EB w/ navicular horses. I feed Triple Crown Complete and he advised that he felt comfortable leaving him on that. You might call or email... great company to work with.
I've always fed the powder with no problems. Simply putting a sprinkle of water on the grain gives it something to stick to. My horses luck their buckets clean! |
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Damn Yankee
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Lovin Life - 2013-12-30 11:10 AM I've been feeding for almost 2 months, don't buy the powder... it's a mess and he seems to only love it some days. I emailed the company and got a response right away about the feeding options. He said that there is more options when using the EB w/ navicular horses. I feed Triple Crown Complete and he advised that he felt comfortable leaving him on that. You might call or email... great company to work with.
I opts for the powder because you get more doses. It is messy but my very picky mare is eating it great! I was hoping if she refused it that I could swap it for the pellets but I've never had to ask |
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Location: Lala Land | rockinas - 2013-12-30 12:54 PM Lovin Life - 2013-12-30 10:10 AM I've been feeding for almost 2 months, don't buy the powder... it's a mess and he seems to only love it some days. I emailed the company and got a response right away about the feeding options. He said that there is more options when using the EB w/ navicular horses. I feed Triple Crown Complete and he advised that he felt comfortable leaving him on that. You might call or email... great company to work with. I've always fed the powder with no problems. Simply putting a sprinkle of water on the grain gives it something to stick to. My horses luck their buckets clean!
Edited by Lovin Life 2013-12-30 1:30 PM
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I got a discount code in the mail today for $15 off if you're interested cindyt. |
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 No Name Nancy
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Location: never in the right place | I used the pellets on my navicular horse and saw a great improvement. However I was told to feed it with only beet pulp( the cal/phos ratio needed to be a certain amount), did that for 7 months until my horse started refusing to eat the beet pulp, he wanted grain but in that time it made him sound. I had an MRI done and he has a hole (quite large) in his navicular bone, so I am assuming that it started filling in. Can't afford another MRI to check and all his xrays have always showed clean even when he was extremely sore. Can't hurt to try but it is expensive.
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