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5 Star VS.....
MNcanchaser7
Reg. Mar 2010
Posted 2014-03-03 10:08 PM
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I started a thread earlier looking for a quote on 5 Star pads... Just curious what you all use BESIDES 5 star... What would be your second choice for a saddle pad? Thanks!
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cheryl makofka
Reg. Jan 2011
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My first choice is csi, not sure after that. I have an old 5 star that I love, but do not find the quality the same in the new ones.

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aquinnell
Reg. Feb 2010
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I really like the way  my Saddleright pads work under all of my saddles.  I have had a lot more luck with them than with the 5stars.  I too have found the older ones better quality.  I just recently purchased a used 5star and used Slone pad package, and I like them both equally as back up pads.  The Saddlerights are always my go to pads.  I was using Wades for awhile, and while they are gorgeous pads, they are very stiff and sored up my horses 
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daisycake123
Reg. Dec 2006
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Classic equine biofit. Great pad my horse had a sore back from fusing hocks it quieted that down a bunch.
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Reg. Nov 2009
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aquinnell - 2014-03-03 11:38 PM

I really like the way  my Saddleright pads work under all of my saddles.  I have had a lot more luck with them than with the 5stars.  I too have found the older ones better quality.  I just recently purchased a used 5star and used Slone pad package, and I like them both equally as back up pads.  The Saddlerights are always my go to pads.  I was using Wades for awhile, and while they are gorgeous pads, they are very stiff and sored up my horses 

Love my saddle rights !
i felt like that was really money well spent, and have sold off almost all of my other pads.
noticed a difference in both my horses pretty quickly.
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Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2014-03-04 8:23 AM
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Reg. Aug 2011
Posted 2014-03-04 8:24 AM
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Honestly I think the pad depends on your horse and the saddle you are using

I have (in no particular order)

A saddleright
a biofit
a 1" 5 star
a 1/2" 5 star
a tacky too
a professional's choice 20X air ride barrel pad

The only ones I hate are the tacky too and the prof choice, as they are both neoprene on the underside. I just don't care for the heat they produce.
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MNcanchaser7
Reg. Mar 2010
Posted 2014-03-04 9:19 AM
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The mare I am looking for has been battling lymes disease, other tick diseases, extreme body soreness etc.
It was very hard to get her back under saddle, she was so sick. I bought a cute custom 5 star for her 3 years ago, which is what I still use on her. It has conformed to her back and is so soft, but color wise it has gotten really ugly, and my cowhide wears are ruined. I take really good care of it and have always clened it regularly, but it has seen some miles... With that said, I'm hesitant to put any kind of "hard"' pad on her. I ride her in a Cactus CJ and she adores it. I went from a Pozzi to CJ and it also solved lots of her back pain issues. I had an Ed wright pad for many years 5+, but it became extremely hard over time, even with lots of care, I'd be afraid to spend the money and have that happen again. I've had 2 Tod Slones and thought they were right up there with the quality of a 5 star, not as soft, but not bad.. I also have used a CE ESP and while the pad itself was great quality, I hated the way it held heat, sweat, and dirt. I am trying to stay under $200, and the only pad that I have found so far to do that is a Cactus wool pad, Ed wright, and ESP.

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MNcanchaser7
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wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-04 8:23 AM

a used 5 Star 

I wish I could find one
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MNcanchaser7
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aquinnell - 2014-03-03 10:38 PM

I really like the way  my Saddleright pads work under all of my saddles.  I have had a lot more luck with them than with the 5stars.  I too have found the older ones better quality.  I just recently purchased a used 5star and used Slone pad package, and I like them both equally as back up pads.  The Saddlerights are always my go to pads.  I was using Wades for awhile, and while they are gorgeous pads, they are very stiff and sored up my horses 

Saddlerites are really expensive though aren't they? I've never really looked into them... I was surprised to see Tod Slones cost as much as 5 stars, I remember them being the "cheap" alternative last time I bought one.
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Ctrygirl14
Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2014-03-04 9:27 AM
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I use a Diamond Wool Pressure Relief pad on my gelding and I recently just ordered a Cutter Classic Saddle Blanket. The reviews on them are great but I haven't used one yet.
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flyhperformancehorse
Reg. Mar 2007
Posted 2014-03-04 9:32 AM
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I've used it all! I even jumped on the Wade pad bandwagon, $630 later I had two wades! Used them for a year, my gelding who never gets sore was so sore over his back by July, he had to have the rest of the season off. I tried to figured what I did differently and it was the pad. I put my 5 star back on him and wham, my saddle fit better, he was more comfortable and the next year he ran the entire season tough without getting sore. So sold the wades.

I have in my tackroom:

5 Star 3/4"
5 Star 7/8"
5 Star 1"
CE biofit 3/4"
Best Ever 1"

I really need a 1/2" pad here soon
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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2014-03-04 9:51 AM
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I cant think of any other pad to compare with the 5 Star, I have had gel pads and other different ones but since I started useing the 5 Stars I really dont need to try anything else cause I am really happy with the 5 Stars. Wool pads are the best thing to use on your horses  
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sassy&tessa
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2014-03-04 9:55 AM
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As I said on the other thread, Bayou West Lynn Mckenzie. They are actually my first choice and I have had my 5 star for probably 5 years now.

But like I also said on the other thread, I think it is important to know what you are trying to accomplish with the pad, what kind of saddle you have, and what kind of horse you have.  I think that all should factor into your decision. 

eta:  I had a couple of oxbows too but I was having saddle fit issues and those pads weren't helping.  BUT, I really liked them.  In fact, I may go buy another one in a bit when I know we have saddle situations done with.


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SaraJean
Reg. Dec 2006
Posted 2014-03-04 10:05 AM
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5 Star is my number 1 choice, which would be why there is 6 in my barn! If I had to go with something else it would probably be another Tod Slone, I've got one old one that I've rode the tar out of & it's held up great. 
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Reg. Sep 2004
Posted 2014-03-04 11:00 AM
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I have a Wade- it is hard. I have had Saddlerights and liked them but hands down the 5stars I have had are the best. Love mine!
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Longneck
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2014-03-04 11:18 AM
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I'm only using 5 Stars right now (my old pad was a neo CE and it's worn out... and I won't use a neo pad again) so I can't suggest anything else.

If you're hesitant on the price try looking at Craigslist.

I was browsing CL the other day and I happened upon a 30x28 1" for $150 with about 3 months use.  I checked 5Stars website and those retail around $300 so I nabbed it up fast. 
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Posted 2014-03-04 12:26 PM
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Posted 2014-03-04 12:57 PM
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 I like Bayou West saddle pads if I need something a little more structured that's wool.  

The next pad I'd like to try is the Saddleright.
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MNcanchaser7
Reg. Mar 2010
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Is there any pads out there that retain softness the way a 5 star does, or are soft upon purchase? Anything that id need to break in or would be stiff would be a no for this mare.
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cheryl makofka
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2014-03-04 3:25 PM
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From what Ed Wright said his pads and 5 stars to wool is processed at the same plant, his pads the will comes from Texas, whereas 5 star comes from china, talking raw form, not sure about this.
From my understanding the Wright and 5 star are the only pads that are felted together, and with this the more heat and pressure, the pad will continue to felt, never tried an Ed Wright pad.

I do have a 5 star and have had it for 10 years, I used to use it a lot haven't in the past 5 years, and no it is not as soft as when I first got it. I have looked at other 5 stars since then and the quality is not as good as it was when they first started IMO.

For 200 dollars you aren't going to find a good quality saddle pad, you get what you pay for.

If you want a true wool pad, you can get ones custom made where raw wool is used a gunnea sack and the wool is pulled through the sack. In my area I believe they are 180 new. It takes some time to decompress the wool when riding for the saddle not to roll, but they are soft and pliable.

If you want a picture pm me and I can show you what they look like
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Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2014-03-04 3:31 PM
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cheryl makofka - 2014-03-04 3:25 PM From what Ed Wright said his pads and 5 stars to wool is processed at the same plant, his pads the will comes from Texas, whereas 5 star comes from china, talking raw form, not sure about this. From my understanding the Wright and 5 star are the only pads that are felted together, and with this the more heat and pressure, the pad will continue to felt, never tried an Ed Wright pad. I do have a 5 star and have had it for 10 years, I used to use it a lot haven't in the past 5 years, and no it is not as soft as when I first got it. I have looked at other 5 stars since then and the quality is not as good as it was when they first started IMO. For 200 dollars you aren't going to find a good quality saddle pad, you get what you pay for. If you want a true wool pad, you can get ones custom made where raw wool is used a gunnea sack and the wool is pulled through the sack. In my area I believe they are 180 new. It takes some time to decompress the wool when riding for the saddle not to roll, but they are soft and pliable. If you want a picture pm me and I can show you what they look like

When Cheryl mentioned the softness or lack of on her old 5 Star, I'd like to say my very first 5 Star is a green one that I can't even remember how many years ago that was I bought it.  That one isn't near as soft as the newer ones and Rockyroad said they changed the way they felt them ???  I think is how she described it.  The green one is the only colored one I have as the other 4 are all natural and they are all extremely soft. 
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I honestly won't use another other than a 5 star now...... 
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MNcanchaser7
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I guess I'm comparing apples to Oranges with a 5 year old Ed pad and a 3 year old 5 star. I have certainly taken better care of my 5 star than I did the ed Wright pad. I guess my concern is, I remember the Ed pad being rather stiff when I first bought it. I have a 5 star with less than 5 rides on it and I swear I could sleep on it, it is so soft.. does anyone have a newer Ed pad? Is it fairly soft or stiffer than a 5 star?
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MNcanchaser7
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cheryl makofka - 2014-03-04 3:25 PM

From what Ed Wright said his pads and 5 stars to wool is processed at the same plant, his pads the will comes from Texas, whereas 5 star comes from china, talking raw form, not sure about this.
From my understanding the Wright and 5 star are the only pads that are felted together, and with this the more heat and pressure, the pad will continue to felt, never tried an Ed Wright pad.

I do have a 5 star and have had it for 10 years, I used to use it a lot haven't in the past 5 years, and no it is not as soft as when I first got it. I have looked at other 5 stars since then and the quality is not as good as it was when they first started IMO.

For 200 dollars you aren't going to find a good quality saddle pad, you get what you pay for.

If you want a true wool pad, you can get ones custom made where raw wool is used a gunnea sack and the wool is pulled through the sack. In my area I believe they are 180 new. It takes some time to decompress the wool when riding for the saddle not to roll, but they are soft and pliable.

If you want a picture pm me and I can show you what they look like

Both people I have found to buy an Ed Wright through have been under $200 shipped.
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MNcanchaser7 - 2014-03-04 3:01 PM I guess I'm comparing apples to Oranges with a 5 year old Ed pad and a 3 year old 5 star. I have certainly taken better care of my 5 star than I did the ed Wright pad. I guess my concern is, I remember the Ed pad being rather stiff when I first bought it. I have a 5 star with less than 5 rides on it and I swear I could sleep on it, it is so soft.. does anyone have a newer Ed pad? Is it fairly soft or stiffer than a 5 star?

 The simple answer is you won't find a wool pad that is softer than the 5 Stars.  The reason is the amount of virgin wool in them.  Many wool pads advertise they are 100% wool, but it's kind of a "play on words."   First, some people refer to a "felt pad" or a "wool pad".  There is no such fiber as "felt" - it is a process.  There are 2 types - needled & pressed industrial felt(ing).  A great article that explains this is http://www.5starequineproducts.com/research-articles/saddle-pad-research/  .  Wool pads are first made with virgin wool & the amount varies among the different brands.  They have a % of virgin wool, then usually a % of "reworked" or reused wool, & then the balance is reworked other fibers - can be wool, cotton, polyester, etc - of course, the ones w/the higher amounts of poly, rayon, etc are the cheaper brands.  5 Star used to be 92% virgin wool in their natural (the heather gray ones) and 98% in the colored ones, but a couple yrs ago, they went to 100% virgin wool & they are the ONLY ones that are.  Yes, their felted sheets are felted at the same Canadian place as Slones, Wrights, etc - but ALL of the wool comes from the same place.  Each brand has their own "recipe" of how much virgin wool are in their pads.  They have in the range of 55-60% virgin.  The pressed industrial felt is also rated according to their amount of virgin wool & 5 Stars used to be F10 & F11 but are now closer to F9 due to using only the virgin wool.  What this also means, besides the 5 Stars being the softest, most conforming wool pad, they also have the highest compression/concussion rating of any of them.
I am tired - it has been a long day, so hopefully I am explaining well enough.  
 I know that article explains the differences between all kinds of pads - it is lengthy, but a good, informative read.
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Rockyroad - 2014-03-04 7:43 PM
MNcanchaser7 - 2014-03-04 3:01 PM I guess I'm comparing apples to Oranges with a 5 year old Ed pad and a 3 year old 5 star. I have certainly taken better care of my 5 star than I did the ed Wright pad. I guess my concern is, I remember the Ed pad being rather stiff when I first bought it. I have a 5 star with less than 5 rides on it and I swear I could sleep on it, it is so soft.. does anyone have a newer Ed pad? Is it fairly soft or stiffer than a 5 star?
 The simple answer is you won't find a wool pad that is softer than the 5 Stars.  The reason is the amount of virgin wool in them.  Many wool pads advertise they are 100% wool, but it's kind of a "play on words."   First, some people refer to a "felt pad" or a "wool pad".  There is no such fiber as "felt" - it is a process.  There are 2 types - needled & pressed industrial felt(ing).  A great article that explains this is http://www.5starequineproducts.com/research-articles/saddle-pad-research/  .  Wool pads are first made with virgin wool & the amount varies among the different brands.  They have a % of virgin wool, then usually a % of "reworked" or reused wool, & then the balance is reworked other fibers - can be wool, cotton, polyester, etc - of course, the ones w/the higher amounts of poly, rayon, etc are the cheaper brands.  5 Star used to be 92% virgin wool in their natural (the heather gray ones) and 98% in the colored ones, but a couple yrs ago, they went to 100% virgin wool & they are the ONLY ones that are.  Yes, their felted sheets are felted at the same Canadian place as Slones, Wrights, etc - but ALL of the wool comes from the same place.  Each brand has their own "recipe" of how much virgin wool are in their pads.  They have in the range of 55-60% virgin.  The pressed industrial felt is also rated according to their amount of virgin wool & 5 Stars used to be F10 & F11 but are now closer to F9 due to using only the virgin wool.  What this also means, besides the 5 Stars being the softest, most conforming wool pad, they also have the highest compression/concussion rating of any of them.

I am tired - it has been a long day, so hopefully I am explaining well enough.  
 I know that article explains the differences between all kinds of pads - it is lengthy, but a good, informative read.

Well done
I have several, all different thicknesses and they are so so soft. 
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 I have a 5-Star, but I'm not crazy about the "softness" that everyone else seems to love. To me, it's too floppy. However, I still use it every ride after 6+ years.
I love Slone pads, but couldn't afford a new one. So, I recently purchased a Smith Bros. 100% wool pad for about $50 on clearance and am loving it! It's not as soft as the 5-Star and the contour isn't as deep. Definitely worth the price though!

 
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just4fun - 2014-03-04 11:11 PM  I have a 5-Star, but I'm not crazy about the "softness" that everyone else seems to love. To me, it's too floppy. However, I still use it every ride after 6+ years.

I love Slone pads, but couldn't afford a new one. So, I recently purchased a Smith Bros. 100% wool pad for about $50 on clearance and am loving it! It's not as soft as the 5-Star and the contour isn't as deep. Definitely worth the price though!


 

 I kind of thought this too about the "floppy." I don't have a 5-Star though, just basing this off of looking at friends' 5-Stars. I'm very happy with my Tod Slone's - and they seem to last FOREVER. Cutter Collections are pretty nice too. I have several of them too.
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With a treed saddle that fits well, it is hard to beat a 5 Star, honestly. They are worth the money.

For a treeless or a "meh" fitting saddle, I like the saddleright. It helps spread out the pressure IMO, if the saddle fit is not the best and it is pinching or pressing somewhere, or if you are in a treeless.

Both brands of mine have held up super well.

For my new saddle I am getting, I will probably use my 5 Stars more than the others I have.
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just4fun - 2014-03-04 11:11 PM

 I have a 5-Star, but I'm not crazy about the "softness" that everyone else seems to love. To me, it's too floppy. However, I still use it every ride after 6+ years.
I love Slone pads, but couldn't afford a new one. So, I recently purchased a Smith Bros. 100% wool pad for about $50 on clearance and am loving it! It's not as soft as the 5-Star and the contour isn't as deep. Definitely worth the price though!

 

I did see some Smith Brothers pads at a reasonable price..
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Of course I'm a 5 Star women now that I found out how great they are, but I do have a Tod Slone and its a nice pad but not as nice as the 5 Star. I was useing it befor I found the 5 Stars, It will stay in my tack room, I will still use it if I need a thicker pad for someone out here if needed.  

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Rockyroad - 2014-03-04 8:43 PM

MNcanchaser7 - 2014-03-04 3:01 PM I guess I'm comparing apples to Oranges with a 5 year old Ed pad and a 3 year old 5 star. I have certainly taken better care of my 5 star than I did the ed Wright pad. I guess my concern is, I remember the Ed pad being rather stiff when I first bought it. I have a 5 star with less than 5 rides on it and I swear I could sleep on it, it is so soft.. does anyone have a newer Ed pad? Is it fairly soft or stiffer than a 5 star?

 The simple answer is you won't find a wool pad that is softer than the 5 Stars.  The reason is the amount of virgin wool in them.  Many wool pads advertise they are 100% wool, but it's kind of a "play on words."   First, some people refer to a "felt pad" or a "wool pad".  There is no such fiber as "felt" - it is a process.  There are 2 types - needled & pressed industrial felt(ing).  A great article that explains this is http://www.5starequineproducts.com/research-articles/saddle-pad-research/  .  Wool pads are first made with virgin wool & the amount varies among the different brands.  They have a % of virgin wool, then usually a % of "reworked" or reused wool, & then the balance is reworked other fibers - can be wool, cotton, polyester, etc - of course, the ones w/the higher amounts of poly, rayon, etc are the cheaper brands.  5 Star used to be 92% virgin wool in their natural (the heather gray ones) and 98% in the colored ones, but a couple yrs ago, they went to 100% virgin wool & they are the ONLY ones that are.  Yes, their felted sheets are felted at the same Canadian place as Slones, Wrights, etc - but ALL of the wool comes from the same place.  Each brand has their own "recipe" of how much virgin wool are in their pads.  They have in the range of 55-60% virgin.  The pressed industrial felt is also rated according to their amount of virgin wool & 5 Stars used to be F10 & F11 but are now closer to F9 due to using only the virgin wool.  What this also means, besides the 5 Stars being the softest, most conforming wool pad, they also have the highest compression/concussion rating of any of them.
I am tired - it has been a long day, so hopefully I am explaining well enough.  
 I know that article explains the differences between all kinds of pads - it is lengthy, but a good, informative read.

So you are telling me when I bought mine 10 years ago and 5 star guaranteed me it was 100 percent wool, they were lying, that is fraud.

Mine has no color so I got less wool then a coloured one. That just ****es me off, I bought my 5 star because it was 100 percent wool, and I designed mine myself and it cost me over 300.

So 10 years from now are we going to learn that the product they claimed was all wool in fact wasn't as they have already lied once and got away with it.

Edited by cheryl makofka 2014-03-05 11:35 AM
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Wool is different from "virgin wool"

They are all wool

"virgin" wool is softer
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MNcanchaser7 - 2014-03-04 3:01 PM I guess I'm comparing apples to Oranges with a 5 year old Ed pad and a 3 year old 5 star. I have certainly taken better care of my 5 star than I did the ed Wright pad. I guess my concern is, I remember the Ed pad being rather stiff when I first bought it. I have a 5 star with less than 5 rides on it and I swear I could sleep on it, it is so soft.. does anyone have a newer Ed pad? Is it fairly soft or stiffer than a 5 star?

 The simple answer is you won't find a wool pad that is softer than the 5 Stars.  The reason is the amount of virgin wool in them.  Many wool pads advertise they are 100% wool, but it's kind of a "play on words."   First, some people refer to a "felt pad" or a "wool pad".  There is no such fiber as "felt" - it is a process.  There are 2 types - needled & pressed industrial felt(ing).  A great article that explains this is http://www.5starequineproducts.com/research-articles/saddle-pad-research/  .  Wool pads are first made with virgin wool & the amount varies among the different brands.  They have a % of virgin wool, then usually a % of "reworked" or reused wool, & then the balance is reworked other fibers - can be wool, cotton, polyester, etc - of course, the ones w/the higher amounts of poly, rayon, etc are the cheaper brands.  5 Star used to be 92% virgin wool in their natural (the heather gray ones) and 98% in the colored ones, but a couple yrs ago, they went to 100% virgin wool & they are the ONLY ones that are.  Yes, their felted sheets are felted at the same Canadian place as Slones, Wrights, etc - but ALL of the wool comes from the same place.  Each brand has their own "recipe" of how much virgin wool are in their pads.  They have in the range of 55-60% virgin.  The pressed industrial felt is also rated according to their amount of virgin wool & 5 Stars used to be F10 & F11 but are now closer to F9 due to using only the virgin wool.  What this also means, besides the 5 Stars being the softest, most conforming wool pad, they also have the highest compression/concussion rating of any of them.
I am tired - it has been a long day, so hopefully I am explaining well enough.  
 I know that article explains the differences between all kinds of pads - it is lengthy, but a good, informative read.

So you are telling me when I bought mine 10 years ago and 5 star guaranteed me it was 100 percent wool, they were lying, that is fraud.

Mine has no color so I got less wool then a coloured one. That just ****es me off, I bought my 5 star because it was 100 percent wool, and I designed mine myself and it cost me over 300.

So 10 years from now are we going to learn that the product they claimed was all wool in fact wasn't as they have already lied once and got away with it.

I think you misread what she wrote... there is a small percentage of reused wool, but it is all wool as I understood it.

The %'s are for virgin wool

I could be wrong but that is how I took it. I think she said the "cheaper" brands have the polyester, rayon, etc
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I personally use Impact Gel and have had great luck them. I switched to a 5 star on my good mare towards the end of the year but she seemed to be sore in her withers so I switched back to an Impact Gel. However, I use the 5 star on three other horses and they seem to not have any problems with it and have ordered more of both for this spring.
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MNcanchaser7 - 2014-03-04 3:01 PM I guess I'm comparing apples to Oranges with a 5 year old Ed pad and a 3 year old 5 star. I have certainly taken better care of my 5 star than I did the ed Wright pad. I guess my concern is, I remember the Ed pad being rather stiff when I first bought it. I have a 5 star with less than 5 rides on it and I swear I could sleep on it, it is so soft.. does anyone have a newer Ed pad? Is it fairly soft or stiffer than a 5 star?
 The simple answer is you won't find a wool pad that is softer than the 5 Stars.  The reason is the amount of virgin wool in them.  Many wool pads advertise they are 100% wool, but it's kind of a "play on words."   First, some people refer to a "felt pad" or a "wool pad".  There is no such fiber as "felt" - it is a process.  There are 2 types - needled & pressed industrial felt(ing).  A great article that explains this is http://www.5starequineproducts.com/research-articles/saddle-pad-research/  .  Wool pads are first made with virgin wool & the amount varies among the different brands.  They have a % of virgin wool, then usually a % of "reworked" or reused wool, & then the balance is reworked other fibers - can be wool, cotton, polyester, etc - of course, the ones w/the higher amounts of poly, rayon, etc are the cheaper brands.  5 Star used to be 92% virgin wool in their natural (the heather gray ones) and 98% in the colored ones, but a couple yrs ago, they went to 100% virgin wool & they are the ONLY ones that are.  Yes, their felted sheets are felted at the same Canadian place as Slones, Wrights, etc - but ALL of the wool comes from the same place.  Each brand has their own "recipe" of how much virgin wool are in their pads.  They have in the range of 55-60% virgin.  The pressed industrial felt is also rated according to their amount of virgin wool & 5 Stars used to be F10 & F11 but are now closer to F9 due to using only the virgin wool.  What this also means, besides the 5 Stars being the softest, most conforming wool pad, they also have the highest compression/concussion rating of any of them.

I am tired - it has been a long day, so hopefully I am explaining well enough.  
 I know that article explains the differences between all kinds of pads - it is lengthy, but a good, informative read.
So you are telling me when I bought mine 10 years ago and 5 star guaranteed me it was 100 percent wool, they were lying, that is fraud. Mine has no color so I got less wool then a coloured one. That just ****es me off, I bought my 5 star because it was 100 percent wool, and I designed mine myself and it cost me over 300. So 10 years from now are we going to learn that the product they claimed was all wool in fact wasn't as they have already lied once and got away with it.
I think you misread what she wrote... there is a small percentage of reused wool, but it is all wool as I understood it. The %'s are for virgin wool I could be wrong but that is how I took it. I think she said the "cheaper" brands have the polyester, rayon, etc

 Thank you 131.  (My internet has been down off & on - have a new service being installed on Mon, in the meantime, I have to suffer w/sporatic service, so not been on here previously).
Cheryl, theirs WERE 100% wool, just not 100% VIRGIN but now are.  Theirs were 92-98% virgin & next closest was 55% - so if you feel yours is so inferior, by all means, sell it.  But if you've had that 5 Star pad for 10 yrs, & it's still in good shape, doesn't sound like poor quality to me.  I'm not understanding why you are coming off like that - at least they were HONEST, unlike Wright saying the wool comes from different countries OR other pad mfg'ers who "say" theirs are 100% wool & they are NOT.  Please reread what I said OR read the article, and maybe it will make more sense.
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MNcanchaser7 - 2014-03-04 3:01 PM I guess I'm comparing apples to Oranges with a 5 year old Ed pad and a 3 year old 5 star. I have certainly taken better care of my 5 star than I did the ed Wright pad. I guess my concern is, I remember the Ed pad being rather stiff when I first bought it. I have a 5 star with less than 5 rides on it and I swear I could sleep on it, it is so soft.. does anyone have a newer Ed pad? Is it fairly soft or stiffer than a 5 star?
 The simple answer is you won't find a wool pad that is softer than the 5 Stars.  The reason is the amount of virgin wool in them.  Many wool pads advertise they are 100% wool, but it's kind of a "play on words."   First, some people refer to a "felt pad" or a "wool pad".  There is no such fiber as "felt" - it is a process.  There are 2 types - needled & pressed industrial felt(ing).  A great article that explains this is http://www.5starequineproducts.com/research-articles/saddle-pad-research/  .  Wool pads are first made with virgin wool & the amount varies among the different brands.  They have a % of virgin wool, then usually a % of "reworked" or reused wool, & then the balance is reworked other fibers - can be wool, cotton, polyester, etc - of course, the ones w/the higher amounts of poly, rayon, etc are the cheaper brands.  5 Star used to be 92% virgin wool in their natural (the heather gray ones) and 98% in the colored ones, but a couple yrs ago, they went to 100% virgin wool & they are the ONLY ones that are.  Yes, their felted sheets are felted at the same Canadian place as Slones, Wrights, etc - but ALL of the wool comes from the same place.  Each brand has their own "recipe" of how much virgin wool are in their pads.  They have in the range of 55-60% virgin.  The pressed industrial felt is also rated according to their amount of virgin wool & 5 Stars used to be F10 & F11 but are now closer to F9 due to using only the virgin wool.  What this also means, besides the 5 Stars being the softest, most conforming wool pad, they also have the highest compression/concussion rating of any of them.

I am tired - it has been a long day, so hopefully I am explaining well enough.  
 I know that article explains the differences between all kinds of pads - it is lengthy, but a good, informative read.
Well done

I have several, all different thicknesses and they are so so soft. 

5 star is the best!  My second favorites are ed wright pads, I do have saddle right, charmayne james and some fuzzys for trail riding........

I love 5 star.  they may not be as cute as other brands but they are the best quality.

If some of the other cute pads would offer a 28 or 29 length pad I might try them but no way am I going to order one at the price the other pads are getting.........Also I hate 1 inch pads.  do that many barrel racers use a 1 inch pad?   
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MNcanchaser7 - 2014-03-04 3:01 PM I guess I'm comparing apples to Oranges with a 5 year old Ed pad and a 3 year old 5 star. I have certainly taken better care of my 5 star than I did the ed Wright pad. I guess my concern is, I remember the Ed pad being rather stiff when I first bought it. I have a 5 star with less than 5 rides on it and I swear I could sleep on it, it is so soft.. does anyone have a newer Ed pad? Is it fairly soft or stiffer than a 5 star?
 The simple answer is you won't find a wool pad that is softer than the 5 Stars.  The reason is the amount of virgin wool in them.  Many wool pads advertise they are 100% wool, but it's kind of a "play on words."   First, some people refer to a "felt pad" or a "wool pad".  There is no such fiber as "felt" - it is a process.  There are 2 types - needled & pressed industrial felt(ing).  A great article that explains this is http://www.5starequineproducts.com/research-articles/saddle-pad-research/  .  Wool pads are first made with virgin wool & the amount varies among the different brands.  They have a % of virgin wool, then usually a % of "reworked" or reused wool, & then the balance is reworked other fibers - can be wool, cotton, polyester, etc - of course, the ones w/the higher amounts of poly, rayon, etc are the cheaper brands.  5 Star used to be 92% virgin wool in their natural (the heather gray ones) and 98% in the colored ones, but a couple yrs ago, they went to 100% virgin wool & they are the ONLY ones that are.  Yes, their felted sheets are felted at the same Canadian place as Slones, Wrights, etc - but ALL of the wool comes from the same place.  Each brand has their own "recipe" of how much virgin wool are in their pads.  They have in the range of 55-60% virgin.  The pressed industrial felt is also rated according to their amount of virgin wool & 5 Stars used to be F10 & F11 but are now closer to F9 due to using only the virgin wool.  What this also means, besides the 5 Stars being the softest, most conforming wool pad, they also have the highest compression/concussion rating of any of them.

I am tired - it has been a long day, so hopefully I am explaining well enough.  
 I know that article explains the differences between all kinds of pads - it is lengthy, but a good, informative read.
So you are telling me when I bought mine 10 years ago and 5 star guaranteed me it was 100 percent wool, they were lying, that is fraud. Mine has no color so I got less wool then a coloured one. That just ****es me off, I bought my 5 star because it was 100 percent wool, and I designed mine myself and it cost me over 300. So 10 years from now are we going to learn that the product they claimed was all wool in fact wasn't as they have already lied once and got away with it.
I think you misread what she wrote... there is a small percentage of reused wool, but it is all wool as I understood it. The %'s are for virgin wool I could be wrong but that is how I took it. I think she said the "cheaper" brands have the polyester, rayon, etc

 Thank you 131.  (My internet has been down off & on - have a new service being installed on Mon, in the meantime, I have to suffer w/sporatic service, so not been on here previously).
Cheryl, theirs WERE 100% wool, just not 100% VIRGIN but now are.  Theirs were 92-98% virgin & next closest was 55% - so if you feel yours is so inferior, by all means, sell it.  But if you've had that 5 Star pad for 10 yrs, & it's still in good shape, doesn't sound like poor quality to me.  I'm not understanding why you are coming off like that - at least they were HONEST, unlike Wright saying the wool comes from different countries OR other pad mfg'ers who "say" theirs are 100% wool & they are NOT.  Please reread what I said OR read the article, and maybe it will make more sense.

I wouldn't get even half of what I paid for my pad, and I haven't really used it in the past 5 years, it just sits there collecting dust.

Also in your own words you say that e felting process is f9 because they only use virgin wool, but it is only 91 percent virgin wool so there is 9 percent of reworked fibres is also your own words and these reworked fibres can be reused wool, polyester, cotton. Etc. I cannot highlight but in your own words you generalize the entire process you do not separate 5 star from the others in the process, you only separate 5 star when you speak about virgin wool therefore they must all use the same process except when it comes to how much virgin wool they use.

I have also emailed 5 star yesterday and have not heard back from them.

Also I would have to say that csi pads with the merino wool would be the only pad that is 100 percent virgin wool, it is very pricey but the sheepskin is still attached to the wool so there are no additives.

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MNcanchaser7 - 2014-03-04 3:01 PM I guess I'm comparing apples to Oranges with a 5 year old Ed pad and a 3 year old 5 star. I have certainly taken better care of my 5 star than I did the ed Wright pad. I guess my concern is, I remember the Ed pad being rather stiff when I first bought it. I have a 5 star with less than 5 rides on it and I swear I could sleep on it, it is so soft.. does anyone have a newer Ed pad? Is it fairly soft or stiffer than a 5 star?
 The simple answer is you won't find a wool pad that is softer than the 5 Stars.  The reason is the amount of virgin wool in them.  Many wool pads advertise they are 100% wool, but it's kind of a "play on words."   First, some people refer to a "felt pad" or a "wool pad".  There is no such fiber as "felt" - it is a process.  There are 2 types - needled & pressed industrial felt(ing).  A great article that explains this is http://www.5starequineproducts.com/research-articles/saddle-pad-research/  .  Wool pads are first made with virgin wool & the amount varies among the different brands.  They have a % of virgin wool, then usually a % of "reworked" or reused wool, & then the balance is reworked other fibers - can be wool, cotton, polyester, etc - of course, the ones w/the higher amounts of poly, rayon, etc are the cheaper brands.  5 Star used to be 92% virgin wool in their natural (the heather gray ones) and 98% in the colored ones, but a couple yrs ago, they went to 100% virgin wool & they are the ONLY ones that are.  Yes, their felted sheets are felted at the same Canadian place as Slones, Wrights, etc - but ALL of the wool comes from the same place.  Each brand has their own "recipe" of how much virgin wool are in their pads.  They have in the range of 55-60% virgin.  The pressed industrial felt is also rated according to their amount of virgin wool & 5 Stars used to be F10 & F11 but are now closer to F9 due to using only the virgin wool.  What this also means, besides the 5 Stars being the softest, most conforming wool pad, they also have the highest compression/concussion rating of any of them.

I am tired - it has been a long day, so hopefully I am explaining well enough.  
 I know that article explains the differences between all kinds of pads - it is lengthy, but a good, informative read.
So you are telling me when I bought mine 10 years ago and 5 star guaranteed me it was 100 percent wool, they were lying, that is fraud. Mine has no color so I got less wool then a coloured one. That just ****es me off, I bought my 5 star because it was 100 percent wool, and I designed mine myself and it cost me over 300. So 10 years from now are we going to learn that the product they claimed was all wool in fact wasn't as they have already lied once and got away with it.
I think you misread what she wrote... there is a small percentage of reused wool, but it is all wool as I understood it. The %'s are for virgin wool I could be wrong but that is how I took it. I think she said the "cheaper" brands have the polyester, rayon, etc
 Thank you 131.  (My internet has been down off & on - have a new service being installed on Mon, in the meantime, I have to suffer w/sporatic service, so not been on here previously).

Cheryl, theirs WERE 100% wool, just not 100% VIRGIN but now are.  Theirs were 92-98% virgin & next closest was 55% - so if you feel yours is so inferior, by all means, sell it.  But if you've had that 5 Star pad for 10 yrs, & it's still in good shape, doesn't sound like poor quality to me.  I'm not understanding why you are coming off like that - at least they were HONEST, unlike Wright saying the wool comes from different countries OR other pad mfg'ers who "say" theirs are 100% wool & they are NOT.  Please reread what I said OR read the article, and maybe it will make more sense.
I wouldn't get even half of what I paid for my pad, and I haven't really used it in the past 5 years, it just sits there collecting dust. Also in your own words you say that e felting process is f9 because they only use virgin wool, but it is only 91 percent virgin wool so there is 9 percent of reworked fibres is also your own words and these reworked fibres can be reused wool, polyester, cotton. Etc. I cannot highlight but in your own words you generalize the entire process you do not separate 5 star from the others in the process, you only separate 5 star when you speak about virgin wool therefore they must all use the same process except when it comes to how much virgin wool they use. I have also emailed 5 star yesterday and have not heard back from them. Also I would have to say that csi pads with the merino wool would be the only pad that is 100 percent virgin wool, it is very pricey but the sheepskin is still attached to the wool so there are no additives.

 Cheryl, please quote me in ACTUALS, not in your words.  I NEVER said 5 STars were 91% ... NEVER said F9 is 91% ... and I NEVER said 5 Stars' reworked are any other fibers.  Please go back & reread what I posted.  Also, I know Terry (owner of 5 Star) was replying to your email to him, so that should answer your questions.
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MNcanchaser7 - 2014-03-04 3:01 PM I guess I'm comparing apples to Oranges with a 5 year old Ed pad and a 3 year old 5 star. I have certainly taken better care of my 5 star than I did the ed Wright pad. I guess my concern is, I remember the Ed pad being rather stiff when I first bought it. I have a 5 star with less than 5 rides on it and I swear I could sleep on it, it is so soft.. does anyone have a newer Ed pad? Is it fairly soft or stiffer than a 5 star?
 The simple answer is you won't find a wool pad that is softer than the 5 Stars.  The reason is the amount of virgin wool in them.  Many wool pads advertise they are 100% wool, but it's kind of a "play on words."   First, some people refer to a "felt pad" or a "wool pad".  There is no such fiber as "felt" - it is a process.  There are 2 types - needled & pressed industrial felt(ing).  A great article that explains this is http://www.5starequineproducts.com/research-articles/saddle-pad-research/  .  Wool pads are first made with virgin wool & the amount varies among the different brands.  They have a % of virgin wool, then usually a % of "reworked" or reused wool, & then the balance is reworked other fibers - can be wool, cotton, polyester, etc - of course, the ones w/the higher amounts of poly, rayon, etc are the cheaper brands.  5 Star used to be 92% virgin wool in their natural (the heather gray ones) and 98% in the colored ones, but a couple yrs ago, they went to 100% virgin wool & they are the ONLY ones that are.  Yes, their felted sheets are felted at the same Canadian place as Slones, Wrights, etc - but ALL of the wool comes from the same place.  Each brand has their own "recipe" of how much virgin wool are in their pads.  They have in the range of 55-60% virgin.  The pressed industrial felt is also rated according to their amount of virgin wool & 5 Stars used to be F10 & F11 but are now closer to F9 due to using only the virgin wool.  What this also means, besides the 5 Stars being the softest, most conforming wool pad, they also have the highest compression/concussion rating of any of them.

I am tired - it has been a long day, so hopefully I am explaining well enough.  
 I know that article explains the differences between all kinds of pads - it is lengthy, but a good, informative read.
So you are telling me when I bought mine 10 years ago and 5 star guaranteed me it was 100 percent wool, they were lying, that is fraud. Mine has no color so I got less wool then a coloured one. That just ****es me off, I bought my 5 star because it was 100 percent wool, and I designed mine myself and it cost me over 300. So 10 years from now are we going to learn that the product they claimed was all wool in fact wasn't as they have already lied once and got away with it.
I think you misread what she wrote... there is a small percentage of reused wool, but it is all wool as I understood it. The %'s are for virgin wool I could be wrong but that is how I took it. I think she said the "cheaper" brands have the polyester, rayon, etc
 Thank you 131.  (My internet has been down off & on - have a new service being installed on Mon, in the meantime, I have to suffer w/sporatic service, so not been on here previously).

Cheryl, theirs WERE 100% wool, just not 100% VIRGIN but now are.  Theirs were 92-98% virgin & next closest was 55% - so if you feel yours is so inferior, by all means, sell it.  But if you've had that 5 Star pad for 10 yrs, & it's still in good shape, doesn't sound like poor quality to me.  I'm not understanding why you are coming off like that - at least they were HONEST, unlike Wright saying the wool comes from different countries OR other pad mfg'ers who "say" theirs are 100% wool & they are NOT.  Please reread what I said OR read the article, and maybe it will make more sense.
I wouldn't get even half of what I paid for my pad, and I haven't really used it in the past 5 years, it just sits there collecting dust. Also in your own words you say that e felting process is f9 because they only use virgin wool, but it is only 91 percent virgin wool so there is 9 percent of reworked fibres is also your own words and these reworked fibres can be reused wool, polyester, cotton. Etc. I cannot highlight but in your own words you generalize the entire process you do not separate 5 star from the others in the process, you only separate 5 star when you speak about virgin wool therefore they must all use the same process except when it comes to how much virgin wool they use. I have also emailed 5 star yesterday and have not heard back from them. Also I would have to say that csi pads with the merino wool would be the only pad that is 100 percent virgin wool, it is very pricey but the sheepskin is still attached to the wool so there are no additives.

 Cheryl, please quote me in ACTUALS, not in your words.  I NEVER said 5 STars were 91% ... NEVER said F9 is 91% ... and I NEVER said 5 Stars' reworked are any other fibers.  Please go back & reread what I posted.  Also, I know Terry (owner of 5 Star) was replying to your email to him, so that should answer your questions.

She did email me, and my understanding is that the people who have the pads 10 years old are not the same pad as now.

10 years ago it was wells five star, this was the one judy Millimacki used to endorse, then somewhere along the way the name 5 star was sold not the corporation the new 5 star is not the same as the wells five star.

Now it makes sense why the creases in the pads suddenly appeared, as I did buy a 5 star pad tried to customize it the same as my first (this was about 6-7 years ago) and it was not the same pad, and it had creases throughout the pad. This one I sold as soon as I received it as it wasn't what I ordered.

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Hummmmm, I really am happy with my 5 Stars, never had a problem with non of the ones I have bought, but one time I did a custom pad and it was not the right lenght, let Deanna know and she made it right and even the owner called me to let me know that they were really sorry about the mess up, but it was hardley something for me to complain about, they treated me with so much respect. And I know they treat all their customers with respect, but we cant please everyone and there will be ones that are not happy with what they ordered, I have bought stuff befor that I was not impressed with, didnt bash are talk bad about them I just moved on.  But 5 Star is  
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MNcanchaser7 - 2014-03-04 3:01 PM I guess I'm comparing apples to Oranges with a 5 year old Ed pad and a 3 year old 5 star. I have certainly taken better care of my 5 star than I did the ed Wright pad. I guess my concern is, I remember the Ed pad being rather stiff when I first bought it. I have a 5 star with less than 5 rides on it and I swear I could sleep on it, it is so soft.. does anyone have a newer Ed pad? Is it fairly soft or stiffer than a 5 star?
 The simple answer is you won't find a wool pad that is softer than the 5 Stars.  The reason is the amount of virgin wool in them.  Many wool pads advertise they are 100% wool, but it's kind of a "play on words."   First, some people refer to a "felt pad" or a "wool pad".  There is no such fiber as "felt" - it is a process.  There are 2 types - needled & pressed industrial felt(ing).  A great article that explains this is http://www.5starequineproducts.com/research-articles/saddle-pad-research/  .  Wool pads are first made with virgin wool & the amount varies among the different brands.  They have a % of virgin wool, then usually a % of "reworked" or reused wool, & then the balance is reworked other fibers - can be wool, cotton, polyester, etc - of course, the ones w/the higher amounts of poly, rayon, etc are the cheaper brands.  5 Star used to be 92% virgin wool in their natural (the heather gray ones) and 98% in the colored ones, but a couple yrs ago, they went to 100% virgin wool & they are the ONLY ones that are.  Yes, their felted sheets are felted at the same Canadian place as Slones, Wrights, etc - but ALL of the wool comes from the same place.  Each brand has their own "recipe" of how much virgin wool are in their pads.  They have in the range of 55-60% virgin.  The pressed industrial felt is also rated according to their amount of virgin wool & 5 Stars used to be F10 & F11 but are now closer to F9 due to using only the virgin wool.  What this also means, besides the 5 Stars being the softest, most conforming wool pad, they also have the highest compression/concussion rating of any of them.
I am tired - it has been a long day, so hopefully I am explaining well enough.  
 I know that article explains the differences between all kinds of pads - it is lengthy, but a good, informative read.
So you are telling me when I bought mine 10 years ago and 5 star guaranteed me it was 100 percent wool, they were lying, that is fraud. Mine has no color so I got less wool then a coloured one. That just ****es me off, I bought my 5 star because it was 100 percent wool, and I designed mine myself and it cost me over 300. So 10 years from now are we going to learn that the product they claimed was all wool in fact wasn't as they have already lied once and got away with it.
I think you misread what she wrote... there is a small percentage of reused wool, but it is all wool as I understood it. The %'s are for virgin wool I could be wrong but that is how I took it. I think she said the "cheaper" brands have the polyester, rayon, etc
 Thank you 131.  (My internet has been down off & on - have a new service being installed on Mon, in the meantime, I have to suffer w/sporatic service, so not been on here previously).
Cheryl, theirs WERE 100% wool, just not 100% VIRGIN but now are.  Theirs were 92-98% virgin & next closest was 55% - so if you feel yours is so inferior, by all means, sell it.  But if you've had that 5 Star pad for 10 yrs, & it's still in good shape, doesn't sound like poor quality to me.  I'm not understanding why you are coming off like that - at least they were HONEST, unlike Wright saying the wool comes from different countries OR other pad mfg'ers who "say" theirs are 100% wool & they are NOT.  Please reread what I said OR read the article, and maybe it will make more sense.
I wouldn't get even half of what I paid for my pad, and I haven't really used it in the past 5 years, it just sits there collecting dust. Also in your own words you say that e felting process is f9 because they only use virgin wool, but it is only 91 percent virgin wool so there is 9 percent of reworked fibres is also your own words and these reworked fibres can be reused wool, polyester, cotton. Etc. I cannot highlight but in your own words you generalize the entire process you do not separate 5 star from the others in the process, you only separate 5 star when you speak about virgin wool therefore they must all use the same process except when it comes to how much virgin wool they use. I have also emailed 5 star yesterday and have not heard back from them. Also I would have to say that csi pads with the merino wool would be the only pad that is 100 percent virgin wool, it is very pricey but the sheepskin is still attached to the wool so there are no additives.
 Cheryl, please quote me in ACTUALS, not in your words.  I NEVER said 5 STars were 91% ... NEVER said F9 is 91% ... and I NEVER said 5 Stars' reworked are any other fibers.  Please go back & reread what I posted.  Also, I know Terry (owner of 5 Star) was replying to your email to him, so that should answer your questions.
She did email me, and my understanding is that the people who have the pads 10 years old are not the same pad as now. 10 years ago it was wells five star, this was the one judy Millimacki used to endorse, then somewhere along the way the name 5 star was sold not the corporation the new 5 star is not the same as the wells five star. Now it makes sense why the creases in the pads suddenly appeared, as I did buy a 5 star pad tried to customize it the same as my first (this was about 6-7 years ago) and it was not the same pad, and it had creases throughout the pad. This one I sold as soon as I received it as it wasn't what I ordered.
 ok, ONE more attempt ...
Terry is not a "she".  I have a copy of the email HE sent you & you are not stating what it actually said, but you've twisted so many things on this that it doesn't surprise me.
Wells 5 Star was started by the Wells - Laurel & her husband.  He was the one who designed the contour pad for Slones.  Then he started his own company & went farther w/the pads, including improving the contour & adding MUCH more virgin wool.  He passed away many years ago & Laurel eventually married Mike.  Laurel & Mike sold the company alittle over a YEAR ago - NOTHING has changed since Terry's family has bought it & they did NOT just buy the name - they bought the whole deal, shop, inventory, machines, EVERYTHING & even kept the same employees.  PLEASE stop making things up & twisting the truth.
oh & Judy Millimacki STILL uses & sells them


Edited by Rockyroad 2014-03-06 9:59 PM
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Rockyroad - 2014-03-04 8:43 PM
MNcanchaser7 - 2014-03-04 3:01 PM I guess I'm comparing apples to Oranges with a 5 year old Ed pad and a 3 year old 5 star. I have certainly taken better care of my 5 star than I did the ed Wright pad. I guess my concern is, I remember the Ed pad being rather stiff when I first bought it. I have a 5 star with less than 5 rides on it and I swear I could sleep on it, it is so soft.. does anyone have a newer Ed pad? Is it fairly soft or stiffer than a 5 star?
 The simple answer is you won't find a wool pad that is softer than the 5 Stars.  The reason is the amount of virgin wool in them.  Many wool pads advertise they are 100% wool, but it's kind of a "play on words."   First, some people refer to a "felt pad" or a "wool pad".  There is no such fiber as "felt" - it is a process.  There are 2 types - needled & pressed industrial felt(ing).  A great article that explains this is http://www.5starequineproducts.com/research-articles/saddle-pad-research/  .  Wool pads are first made with virgin wool & the amount varies among the different brands.  They have a % of virgin wool, then usually a % of "reworked" or reused wool, & then the balance is reworked other fibers - can be wool, cotton, polyester, etc - of course, the ones w/the higher amounts of poly, rayon, etc are the cheaper brands.  5 Star used to be 92% virgin wool in their natural (the heather gray ones) and 98% in the colored ones, but a couple yrs ago, they went to 100% virgin wool & they are the ONLY ones that are.  Yes, their felted sheets are felted at the same Canadian place as Slones, Wrights, etc - but ALL of the wool comes from the same place.  Each brand has their own "recipe" of how much virgin wool are in their pads.  They have in the range of 55-60% virgin.  The pressed industrial felt is also rated according to their amount of virgin wool & 5 Stars used to be F10 & F11 but are now closer to F9 due to using only the virgin wool.  What this also means, besides the 5 Stars being the softest, most conforming wool pad, they also have the highest compression/concussion rating of any of them.

I am tired - it has been a long day, so hopefully I am explaining well enough.  
 I know that article explains the differences between all kinds of pads - it is lengthy, but a good, informative read.
So you are telling me when I bought mine 10 years ago and 5 star guaranteed me it was 100 percent wool, they were lying, that is fraud. Mine has no color so I got less wool then a coloured one. That just ****es me off, I bought my 5 star because it was 100 percent wool, and I designed mine myself and it cost me over 300. So 10 years from now are we going to learn that the product they claimed was all wool in fact wasn't as they have already lied once and got away with it.
I think you misread what she wrote... there is a small percentage of reused wool, but it is all wool as I understood it. The %'s are for virgin wool I could be wrong but that is how I took it. I think she said the "cheaper" brands have the polyester, rayon, etc
 Thank you 131.  (My internet has been down off & on - have a new service being installed on Mon, in the meantime, I have to suffer w/sporatic service, so not been on here previously).

Cheryl, theirs WERE 100% wool, just not 100% VIRGIN but now are.  Theirs were 92-98% virgin & next closest was 55% - so if you feel yours is so inferior, by all means, sell it.  But if you've had that 5 Star pad for 10 yrs, & it's still in good shape, doesn't sound like poor quality to me.  I'm not understanding why you are coming off like that - at least they were HONEST, unlike Wright saying the wool comes from different countries OR other pad mfg'ers who "say" theirs are 100% wool & they are NOT.  Please reread what I said OR read the article, and maybe it will make more sense.
I wouldn't get even half of what I paid for my pad, and I haven't really used it in the past 5 years, it just sits there collecting dust. Also in your own words you say that e felting process is f9 because they only use virgin wool, but it is only 91 percent virgin wool so there is 9 percent of reworked fibres is also your own words and these reworked fibres can be reused wool, polyester, cotton. Etc. I cannot highlight but in your own words you generalize the entire process you do not separate 5 star from the others in the process, you only separate 5 star when you speak about virgin wool therefore they must all use the same process except when it comes to how much virgin wool they use. I have also emailed 5 star yesterday and have not heard back from them. Also I would have to say that csi pads with the merino wool would be the only pad that is 100 percent virgin wool, it is very pricey but the sheepskin is still attached to the wool so there are no additives.
 Cheryl, please quote me in ACTUALS, not in your words.  I NEVER said 5 STars were 91% ... NEVER said F9 is 91% ... and I NEVER said 5 Stars' reworked are any other fibers.  Please go back & reread what I posted.  Also, I know Terry (owner of 5 Star) was replying to your email to him, so that should answer your questions.
She did email me, and my understanding is that the people who have the pads 10 years old are not the same pad as now. 10 years ago it was wells five star, this was the one judy Millimacki used to endorse, then somewhere along the way the name 5 star was sold not the corporation the new 5 star is not the same as the wells five star. Now it makes sense why the creases in the pads suddenly appeared, as I did buy a 5 star pad tried to customize it the same as my first (this was about 6-7 years ago) and it was not the same pad, and it had creases throughout the pad. This one I sold as soon as I received it as it wasn't what I ordered.
 ok, ONE more attempt ...

Terry is not a "she".  I have a copy of the email HE sent you & you are not stating what it actually said, but you've twisted so many things on this that it doesn't surprise me.

Wells 5 Star was started by the Wells - Laurel & her husband.  He was the one who designed the contour pad for Slones.  Then he started his own company & went farther w/the pads, including improving the contour & adding MUCH more virgin wool.  He passed away many years ago & Laurel eventually married Mike.  Laurel & Mike sold the company alittle over a YEAR ago - NOTHING has changed since Terry's family has bought it & they did NOT just buy the name - they bought the whole deal, shop, inventory, machines, EVERYTHING & even kept the same employees.  PLEASE stop making things up & twisting the truth.

oh & Judy Millimacki STILL uses & sells them

Oh wow I did'nt know that Laurel sold 5 Star. I'm loving my 1/2 inch pad that I got a few months back  
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I'm just going to jump in here and say I love all 5 of my 5 Stars.  The only thing I would love more than the 5 I currently have is a royal blue one.  hint hint hint....anyone feel sorry enough for me yet?  
In all seriousness though my daughter and I have been riding the past few days trying to get horses legged up again.  Without me mentioning anything my daughter said - I love how soft these pads are.  It was a 3/4" natural color that she happened to be cuddling to her face when she said it.  
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5 Stars are my very favorite pads!! I've tried alot of other brands - even jumped on the Best Ever & Wade pad wagons at one point - sold them asap & went back to 5 Stars & won't be stupid enough to switch again. My first one I got several years ago, my latest about 2 mos ago & I would say the quality has definitely not deteriorated at all - they are still the best!!
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