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Location: 31 lengths farms | Not sure if any of you want to follow but I figured I start a post about my mares journey hopefully to kidney health.
She was diagnosed with a bladder stone April 17, made an appt. at UC Davis to have Laser Lithrotripsy done but in an ultrasound on her kidney's found she has 5 stones in her left kidney and one in her uretor that runs to the bladder. Her right kidney is clear. Was basically given two options, remove the kidney or take her home and put her down. Neither sounded good to me. Very nice vets, it isn't their fault I cannot afford to have a kidney removal surgery for my horse.
So I took her home and have been doing some research on Herbs and Holistic medicine for kidneys. Had a hair analysis done on her also which of course showed kidney, lymph and immune systems were down so we have her on herbs for those. Since she started those her urine is now yellow (it had been clear and no smell to it at the point I took her to UCD) and has a urine smell to it, you'd think that wouldn't be so exciting LOL!!! In no other way does she appear ill, eating well, drinking well, full of her self and wondering why she isn't being ridden and hauled.
Got some good information on here as well, looking into Ammonia Chloride to lower the PH of her urine. Then spoke via text to a woman in Utah that does a lot of natural healing type stuff with equine, she herself had a futurity colt that was diagnosed with kidney problems their futurity year, they kept him on Yucca Extract, Uva Ursa leaves, essential oils and used acuscope and myopulse. He ran until he injured his hock at 18, is now 22 and still doing well with the therapy she gives him.
She is willing to call the woman that does acuscope here and talk to her about the protocol they used on her horse.
I'm hoping things are looking up for us. I've spent the last 11 years caretaking for my mom and hadn't really been able to run much, maybe 4-5 runs in a year the last 5 years or so. My mom had a stroke in December and ended up having to go to a facility which was tough to deal with but also selfishly it has freed me up to start going again. Now my "someday" is finally here and my "someday" mare is diagnosed with kidney stones, didn't seem quite fair but we all know life isn't always fair. I thought we were in for the fight of our lives 3 years ago when she fractured her patella but apparently that was just a warm up for the real fight.
The good thing that came out of that is I know this mare inside out and we are a team in the truest sense, if any horse can come thru this, it is her. She amazes me everyday with her grit and guts. As long as I ask the questions and do the research she still has a shot at doing great things someday.
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Location: Friendswood, Texas | I hope the treatment is a complete success for you and your mare. Please keep us posted how the alternative therapies work for her. It's very interesting. Wishing y'all the best... |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Interesting... What were her original symptoms?
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Location: God's country | I was not aware of this situation. This is interesting to read and I wish you the best with her therapy. Definitely sounds like you are making progress!
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I thought originally that she was having a very hard heat, then one day after taking a lesson when she urinated it was bloody. At first the woman I took the lessons from thought she was or had tied up but this was almost straight blood, not dark urine and she continued to move fine. We treated her like she had tied up just to be safe. 20 minutes after she passed the blood, she urinated again and it was regular urine. I was hoping after doing some research that it was a bladder infection but had a feeling it was not so took her to the vet I have for my more involved issues for an ultrasound.
He feels that often horses that on and off act colicky are horses that probably have kidney stones, she has never had that issue so far thankfully :-)
Thankfully also God has put some good people in my path with her. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | CC has been on the kidney, and lymph herbs for 10 days now. Saturday I hopped on and rode her just at the walk for about 10 minutes, from everything I've read getting a horse with kidney stones exercise is important but we kept it quiet and slow. The last time I tried even that much on her right before we went to UC Davis she had to pee about 3 times and she passed a bit of blood the last time, hence the reason I stopped. Saturday the ride did not cause her to have to urinate, though after I rode and let her roll, she did but there was no blood. Sunday I rode again, this time asking her to trot about 50 feet and she actually picked up the lope the next time I asked for the trot, I of course stopped her and waited for the "I have to pee NOW" response, did not come. Finished the ride quietly, let her roll and about 15 minutes later she did urinate a nice regular color stream, no blood. Hoping to get the protocol for the acuscope on kidneys passed along here soon, but looks like we are headed in a good direction. The plan is to finish the bags of herbs, have her hair tested again, and go from there. Planning on having her kidneys ultra sounded again in the late summer/early fall. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | She has put back on a little weight also, she is a horse that never really carries extra anyway and her appetite is tied to how much work you get her.
This was from about 3 days after we started her on the herbs :-)
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Still haven't gotten the protocol on the Acuscope for her BUT she has been doing very well. Have been riding her lightly a few days a week. Tuesday she was able to trot a few laps around my worked up area that is roughly 50x80 and we loped a few 20 foot circles on each lead, letting her stop between direction changes in case she felt the need to urinate, nothing. When she did urinate about 5 minutes after I put her up it was clear of blood! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Thank you, pretty excited about this myself! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Okay, so last night I asked her to trot a little longer than I have been...when I changed directions she pulled her old "lope???", I broke her back to the trot and trotted a ways further at which time she asked "Lope?" again (she does this little half skip/lope thing when she does this..) so I loped her in a small-ish circle, then broke her back to the walk to check to see if she needed to urinate. Nothing, so I picked up the trot again and she asked for "LOPE!!!?", this horse thinks she was put on this earth to lope, LOL!!! It is her preferred method of travel even in her pen, so we loped a bit bigger circle, broke her back to the trot and headed to trot the pattern, as soon as we were headed towards the first she yelled "LOPE!!!!!" so I let her slow lope thru the pattern, finished and walked her out waiting to see if she would need to urinate and if there would be any blood with the increase in activity. Nothing. Unsaddled her and took her back out to let her roll, she rolled and then urinated a regular flow of urine, no blood and a good volume of it also!!!
The other thing I have added to her herbs in an herb called Chanca Peidra, smells horrible but it is referred to as "Stone Breaker", figured we had nothing to lose even though I hadn't found anyone that had used it in animals of any species. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | There is just so little known on how to treat them... I wanted to try and share anything that seemed like gave us results. I truly believe the reason she has the stones is more due to her being on Equioxx and Or Previcoxx long term when she fractured her patella 3 years ago more so even than diet, think all of it created the perfect storm for the formation of the stones. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Thought I'd update a photo of her...
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Location: In a happy place | rodeomom3 - 2014-06-03 5:33 PM Glad to hear she is doing better!!
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Location: 31 lengths farms | It has been getting very hot here so hadn't ridden CC in a little over a week. Got up this morning at 4:45 to get them all ridden seeing as it isn't suppose to cool down for sometime. Got the gelding ridden first, he's the sanest and it wasn't quite light yet, then my big mare Poopie Girl who was a little suspicious of working quite that early, lol!!! CC on the other hand couldn't wait for her turn, standing pressing herself against the gate. I got one lap of my worked up area walked on her and she had had enough of the slow stuff, asked her to trot and she busted into her long trot that you simply cannot post, you simply stand in the stirrups, good leg and core workout, lol!! Had to remind her that we were loping and NOT breezing.... Full of herself to say the least:) stopped her a few times during our session to see if she needed to urinate, never had to. Cooled her out, put her out for the day and finished feeding the dog and cats, caught sight of her headed to her "potty" area in the pasture. She urinated a nice flow of YELLOW urine!!!
So far so good!!! Thank God for Herbs and prayers:)
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Location: In a happy place | run n rate - 2014-06-07 10:21 AM It has been getting very hot here so hadn't ridden CC in a little over a week. Got up this morning at 4:45 to get them all ridden seeing as it isn't suppose to cool down for sometime. Got the gelding ridden first, he's the sanest and it wasn't quite light yet, then my big mare Poopie Girl who was a little suspicious of working quite that early, lol!!! CC on the other hand couldn't wait for her turn, standing pressing herself against the gate. I got one lap of my worked up area walked on her and she had had enough of the slow stuff, asked her to trot and she busted into her long trot that you simply cannot post, you simply stand in the stirrups, good leg and core workout, lol!! Had to remind her that we were loping and NOT breezing.... Full of herself to say the least:) stopped her a few times during our session to see if she needed to urinate, never had to. Cooled her out, put her out for the day and finished feeding the dog and cats, caught sight of her headed to her "potty" area in the pasture. She urinated a nice flow of YELLOW urine!!! So far so good!!! Thank God for Herbs and prayers:)
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Location: 31 lengths farms | She's always been a horse that wanted "her" time. When she fractured her patella I had to make the decision to start hand walking her probably really before she was ready to because I was losing her mentally. She doesn't eat well when she isn't being ridden/worked, but to see the light go out in her eyes was too much. As soon as we started the hand walking that light came back so I knew the challenge this would pose thru this health issue.
Guess it means a lot of 4:45 am mornings coming up for me thru this heat but I wouldn't have it any other way. |
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keep us updated!
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Little set back last night ...originally she was eating her herbs fine placing them on her hay and then putting her "grain" over the top of that, but about a week of that I noticed she had started flipping the hay over and eating from the bottom up so I started syringing the herbs to her. After about 2 weeks of that she was not happy about being caught knowing she was going to get medicine, LOL. So I gave her a break and started putting it over the hay again. Earlier last week she started flipping hay again but she was doing so well I decided not to syringe the herbs to her yet...until last night. Rode her, she seemed to be feeling good, wanted to go go go, never had to to stop to urinate, kept the session short due to the heat and just because she doesn't need to be in the type of shape she used to be in seeing as I wont' be running her at least until we get another ultrasound on the kidneys. Anyway, went and got my gelding to ride and as I was headed down to ride him, CC walked over to her "spot" and the beginning of her flow had a small amount of blood in it, by the time I got to the fence to crawl over it, maybe 3-5 seconds it had turned normal and the rest of the flow was normal. But guess who is getting their herbs syringed to them again and she aint happy!!! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | So I'm not sure what happened but still haven't heard back from the woman that was going to share the acuscope protocol that she used on her horse. Just wondering if any of you out there do acuscope yourselves have any thoughts on what your experiences would lead you to do if it was your horse. Or even Bioscan. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | THANK YOU!!! And yes, sorry, did mean to shout;-) |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Unfortunately for some of you, I've kinda of used this post as a diary of sorts for this issue. I'm looking into essential oils also for her. |
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Location: In a happy place | readytorodeo - 2014-06-13 7:55 AM If you are thinking about essential oils, call Candace Hoke.
Yes call Candace.....she is the BOMB! I truly believe in Candace and Young Living Essential Oils. I also used the accuscope on my stud but the lady that did it is so busy she is really hard to get a hold of. It worked real well too. |
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readytorodeo - 2014-06-13 7:55 AM If you are thinking about essential oils, call Candace Hoke.
Yes call Candace.....she is the BOMB! I truly believe in Candace and Young Living Essential Oils. I also used the accuscope on my stud but the lady that did it is so busy she is really hard to get a hold of. It worked real well too.
Does she work at Young Living Oils? I have just started with oils and I buy from them. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | readytorodeo - 2014-06-14 5:55 AM
If you are thinking about essential oils, call Candace Hoke.
Do you have a number for her? |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Emailed Candace :-)
Also, does anyone know if you can use Herbs with Animal Element Detox.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Thank you...that is what I was also contemplating. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | rodeomom3 - 2014-06-14 11:02 AM
google Circle star Farms in Hempstead to find Candance's information.
Thank you for the help on this...Candace asked me to also thank the person that recommended her :-) |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | So after going back to syringing her herbs to her for the last week and a half or so, rode her last night for a short period but did trot and lope and ask her to do everything but just for shorter period of over all time. After I unsaddled her and took her down to roll, she urinated and it was blood free!!! So looks like even though it is a huge pan in the buttocks we will be using the syringe method to get her herbs to her from now on :-) |
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Location: Here | run n rate - 2014-06-18 11:58 AM So after going back to syringing her herbs to her for the last week and a half or so, rode her last night for a short period but did trot and lope and ask her to do everything but just for shorter period of over all time. After I unsaddled her and took her down to roll, she urinated and it was blood free!!! So looks like even though it is a huge pan in the buttocks we will be using the syringe method to get her herbs to her from now on :-)
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Been doing some research on Essential Oils also..wish it didn't seem like it is all cloak and mirrors and having to know a secret handshake to get it, LOL!!! We've had good success so far with the Equine Natural Care herbs, have my mare that is a headshaker on the Joint herbs and she no longer has to take the Cyproheptadine RX!!!! Her hair sample showed up that she had TMJ on the right side...a week after starting the herbs I no longer had to give her the Cypro before I rode her.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | So after waiting for some information on the Acuscope protocol with no word back I called the local woman that does that therapy who is aware of CC's kidney issue and we think with her background of treating horses and knowledge of what we are dealing with we are going to go ahead and do some acuscope therapy on her and see how it goes. I will keep you all updated on that also.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Rode CC this am early, supposed to get hot and the Shoer was coming to do everyone at 8 am. She used to have amazing feet, last August before any of the other symptoms showed up Travis started having trouble keeping shoes on her and her heels were a major issue. Her once hard beautiful feet where Shelly and weak, even had to put equipad in her soles a few times eay this spring. After finding the kidney stones and the blood work coming back that her immune system was low also it all made sense. Today however not only did I get a ride in on her with no blood being passed in her urine afterwards but the farrier also noticed some healthy hoof growth and she didn't have to have the equipad filler under her shoes!!!!
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Found a health food store locally that carries the ACV that is unpasteurized and with mother in it!!! She actually seems to prefer the taste of it :-) |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Not a whole lot to update about, but at times that can be a good thing too I guess. Continuing to give her the Herbs in a paste form by mixing water with it and syringing it to her. Went for a very short ride down the creek the other night as she saw me leave one at a time on the other two and she is very much a horse that thinks whatever anyone else is doing she should be doing also. It was starting to get a little darker when I got back on the 2nd horse but one look at CC's face at her gate I figured I'd take her a trot a few circles in our "dirt patch" as we call the worked up area in the pasture. She marched us out across the dirt patch up the small berm between the pasture and the creek and stopped at the gate with absolutely no question in her mind that SHE was going for a ride down the creek, LOL!!! I usually ride down there about this time of year getting them legged up for Pendleton's 4th of July race so she loves the creek, to her it means breezing a few miles :-) Can't do that so walked her down the creek about a half mile or so and then long trotted her back home, closed the gate and came up over the berm and she headed to the first barrel. This little mare loves to work, always has, she loves having a job so right now trotting the barrel pattern is her job even if it is only 2 times a week with a few loping circles thrown in here and there, it keeps her mind in the game and looking forward to what's next. Again after the ride I took her out to roll and kept an eye on her when she did go to her corner in her pen to urinate...pretty good flow and no blood. Still no ouchiness in her feet, no pads in the front and bare in the back for now. The plan is to have her kidney's and bladder ultrasounded again around the end of September. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Havent been able to catch up with the woman that does Acuscope, she has been on the road a bit to races but did take CC to a BioScan treatment to see what it may or may not gain us. After the treatment she urinated 2 times at the trailer while my gelding was being done, and again in the trailer on the way home, then I found 4 fresh spots in her pen the next morning also. May have to add this t her routine all the time. Also need to do some asking around for some insight on this part. I found some info on essential oils, 2 of them that were recommended were Lemon and Frankinscense (sp)..applied that how it was prescribed. The lemon oil she was fine with, however the frankinsense she wanted OFF of her. Took about 3 minutes, I had applied it, went up the hill and fed the cat and I see CC turning around and biting at her side...but only at the spot that the Frankinsense was applied, she did it repeatedly and I could tell was very frustrated. So I went down and applied some water to the spot. She quit biting at her side but then I see her pawing and pulling at her bell boots, I had applied it to an area there also. Took her hoof oil and applied it to dilute the area also and she quit and went back to eating.. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Got her started on Zendrocrine and Lemon essential herbs...Zendrocrine is a blend that is for detoxifying. |
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| run n rate - 2014-07-18 3:52 PM
Havent been able to catch up with the woman that does Acuscope, she has been on the road a bit to races but did take CC to a BioScan treatment to see what it may or may not gain us. After the treatment she urinated 2 times at the trailer while my gelding was being done, and again in the trailer on the way home, then I found 4 fresh spots in her pen the next morning also. May have to add this t her routine all the time. Also need to do some asking around for some insight on this part. I found some info on essential oils, 2 of them that were recommended were Lemon and Frankinscense (sp)..applied that how it was prescribed. The lemon oil she was fine with, however the frankinsense she wanted OFF of her. Took about 3 minutes, I had applied it, went up the hill and fed the cat and I see CC turning around and biting at her side...but only at the spot that the Frankinsense was applied, she did it repeatedly and I could tell was very frustrated. So I went down and applied some water to the spot. She quit biting at her side but then I see her pawing and pulling at her bell boots, I had applied it to an area there also. Took her hoof oil and applied it to dilute the area also and she quit and went back to eating..
Did you add a carrier oil such as coconut oil to the essential oils or did you apply them neat? Also did you let her smell them before using them? I have just started using essential oils
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Location: In a happy place | GLP - 2014-07-28 7:11 PM run n rate - 2014-07-18 3:52 PM Havent been able to catch up with the woman that does Acuscope, she has been on the road a bit to races but did take CC to a BioScan treatment to see what it may or may not gain us. After the treatment she urinated 2 times at the trailer while my gelding was being done, and again in the trailer on the way home, then I found 4 fresh spots in her pen the next morning also. May have to add this t her routine all the time. Also need to do some asking around for some insight on this part. I found some info on essential oils, 2 of them that were recommended were Lemon and Frankinscense (sp)..applied that how it was prescribed. The lemon oil she was fine with, however the frankinsense she wanted OFF of her. Took about 3 minutes, I had applied it, went up the hill and fed the cat and I see CC turning around and biting at her side...but only at the spot that the Frankinsense was applied, she did it repeatedly and I could tell was very frustrated. So I went down and applied some water to the spot. She quit biting at her side but then I see her pawing and pulling at her bell boots, I had applied it to an area there also. Took her hoof oil and applied it to dilute the area also and she quit and went back to eating.. Did you add a carrier oil such as coconut oil to the essential oils or did you apply them neat? Also did you let her smell them before using them? I have just started using essential oils lately myself.
Yes you need an oil as a carrier. I order the V6 oil from Candace for my carrier but you can use olive oil or even canola oil. I take the lemon oil orally with my Ninja Red and can see why your mare thought it was hot. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I use both orally diluted in water... thought the first time I used the lemon oil I massaged it in with Jojaba (sp) oil but decided to use it orally also due to the sun reactions that I've read about, didn't want to cause a sunburn on her. I have to be careful not to get it on her lips even diluted...did that one day and she got a sunburn on the side of her mouth.
And yes, offered them to her and she tried to take the bottles out of my hand, especially the Zendrocrine.
It wasn't the lemon she reacted to, it was the Frankesense (sp)...the lemon I decided to use orally diluted in water and the Frankensense I just decided not to use for now.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Thank you GLP, I've kind of used this as a blog I guess of sorts so updates will be coming whether people are sick of hearing about our journey or not :-) This way I have a journal of sorts to go back and look at what and when we started this process, what seemed to be working, what maybe didn't, etc. and hopefully someone that someday has the same issue gets some help from it instead of basically having to start from scratch in a panic like I did. Hopefully one day I can post a video of her first run back too. If not that at least a video or a picture of her at 20 terrorizing turkeys in our lower pasture. This was taken last week, even with her fly mask on you can see the sass in her eye....
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Went and had CC bioscanned again on Saturday seeing as last time I had found 4 fresh urine spots in her pen after having it done where usually there are 2 small spots. When she was finished I led her back to the trailer, grabbed the gelding to be adjusted and then bioscanned also, by the time I made it back over to where the woman was set up to adjust CC urinated and urinated again in the trailer on the way home. Got home about 3 o'clock, rode everyone that evening, CC included and when she urinated she didn't pass any blood, and found 6 fresh spots in her pen the next morning. Bioscan has officially been put on her list of therapies.
I also spoke to the herbalist about her reaction to the Frankensense, her feeling was that if CC smelled it and wanted it but then reacted to it the way she did, biting at her sides and pulling at her over reach boots that she felt that meant it was working and she needed it. She told me to try a different carrier oil or dilute it more with the carrier oil. I used Jojabo oil the first time as it was blended with Jojabo oil already. We will give that another go and have water available just in case.
She has not passed any blood in her urine after being ridden since I went back to syringing the herbs to her after the one incident about a month and a half in to starting her herbs when I had started just putting them over her hay and caught her flipping the flake over. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I have been doing most of my everyday riding in a treeless saddle for the last few years, I run in a treed saddle, but do the majority of conditioning in the treeless as my big mare was having some issues related to saddle fit and it was just easier to toss the treeless on everyone when not at a race. Anyway, I had noticed that CC was a little fidgety when loping the last few weeks. I know I can feel them better in the treeless so I got to thinking, if I can feel her ribs and back better, wouldn't that mean she can feel me also? Maybe the pressure of my seat isn't welcomed right now with what she has going on. So Saturday I switched and rode her in the saddle I normally run her in and the fidgety stuff was gone, her lope departures and circles were smooth as were her lead changes.
This little mare just makes my heart warm, she comes to meet me at the gate, takes her meds, puts her nose in the halter and then marches me to the trailer to get saddled. She still loves her ride time, I pray I have years and years to enjoy those moments with her. |
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Location: CA | I haven't been on this site in some time. Life has taken me in many directions at once.
My mare was just diagnosed with kidney stones, no blood in the urine, but sore and has trouble uninating. I am a Reiki healer and I do essential oils and aroma therapy. I have been working on her, and she has slowed down the drinking and constant urinating. I will ride her today, as I ahve been off her for a couple of weeks. She too has the shelly hooves, and is hard to keep weight on. I feel it is an adrenaline thing as she is a nervous horse so I have done what I can to keep her calm. One thing you might look into is Kombucha. It will help with the PH balance, much like ACV. If you can find someone with a scoby to make your own it is quite inexpensive. If you are anywhere near Grass Valley, I have a few extra. Thank you for this diary, I have learned so much. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Im in Red Bluff...REiki healer was also recommended by a friend but I googled it and at that time the closest I could find was below the Bay Area...what may I ask is a Scoby?
And as far as Kombucha, I just looked it up, looks like there is a million different types, do you recommend one?
CC also has a bladder stone which is where the blood comes from or did...that is how we found out about the kidney stones. She also is a nervous high strung mare. She has never carried any extra weight but thankfully I haven't had an issue keeping her weight near normal for her thankfully.
I'm sorry to hear about you mare but at the same time I'm so excited to find another person dealing with this too, hope you dont' mind me bouncing ideas off of you....
Edited, just actually read the Kombucha and see Scoby is an acronym :-)
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Location: CA | Life is pretty funny sometimes. I was supposed to go to Red Bluff to look at a couple of horses today, but it didn't work out. Are you running at Lincoln on the 23rd? I will be there and would be happy to give you a SCOBY and a recipe for Kombucha....and I would be honored to work on your horse. :) It is quite possible we know each other .. lol |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Hadn't planned on it, this is my barrel horse :-/ My gelding stands in for her at times much to his dismay so I try to keep him in outdoor open pens for the most part as I tend to leave him alone a bit more outside. Let me look at my schedule however and see what I can do. I'd love to talk to you more about treatments and options and your take on essential oils also. Feel like a drowning person that just saw a life vest :-) |
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Location: CA | run n rate - 2014-08-13 6:35 PM Just have to say...People are awesome and I'm so blessed to have found this forum.
I couldn't agree more. :) |
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Location: CA | I just went on a trail ride and my mare didn't urinate after, I also noticed she is drinking less water. She doesn't have as much back pain either. I have been "working" on her and I had put her on an anti-inflammitory for 3 days to kind of give her a break and hope some of the internal swelling would go down. It seems to have helped. I just used one bute once a day.
I hope things are going better for you too. :)
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Last week was a little harder on her, she was in heat and was a little miserable for a few days, not mopey or lethargic but just constantly doing the mare thing, tail in the air. Had her Bioscanned on Friday and she actually urinated while she was being treated, couldn't even wait till she was done, LOL!!! We had to go out of town for a wedding shower and the horses had to stay in their pens for the two days, large pens, but pens all the same. CC was more than a little anxious to get the heck out of hers come Monday morning. I had taken my big mare down to her end of the pasture, closed the gate and was swallowed by dust, turned around and CC couldn't be seen for the dust devil she had created running and bucking and rearing in her pen, guess I was taking too long for her. I decided to skip the act of giving her her herbs via the syringe as she was not in the mood to stand still, she wanted out and she wanted out NOW. Opened her gate and she grabbed a few gears headed down the pasture, did her sideways slide stop change directions belly roll jump thing she is so proficient at and made a few laps of the pasture before she finally settled in to graze. Thankfully she had a full 10 hours of chasing butterflies and turkeys and whatever else might catch her attention before I got home to ride that night and we had a good session together. It is starting to cool off a bit in the evenings so hoping to be able to start doing just a bit more with her, haven't wanted to stress her system any more than it is. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Wanted to share a photo of CC from Friday nights ride...Thank you to everyone that bothers to read these updates on her and those that have gone out of their way to offer prayers and support of any kind.
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | I have to say, I'm surprised no one has asked you to try to catch a stone. Stone chemical composition tells you why you have stones, whether it be diet or drug related or otherwise. Also, in knowing where they come from you can prevent them from coming back. If it's a diet related stone, you change the diet. :)
The blood that you see means a stone is moving. Whether it is moving within the kidney or actually in the ureter is the tricky part. Can't know that without an ultrasound. Once they are in the bladder, no more blood, unless it's just residual.
How old is your mare? Did you or do you feed sweet feed? Alfalfa? Sooooo glad to hear you've got her on uva ursi, that stuff is awesome!
When you first went, was your mare completely blocked on one side? Sorry, just read all 4 pages and I can't remember. That would explain the clear urine, kidney not being able to properly filter and kick back out the toxins at the time. Do you know your mare's BUN and creatinine level originally? |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Gads!!! No!! I do not, though I'm certain they were looked at at the first vet visit. And yes, the blood was we believe from the bladder stone moving about when she ran about or was ridden. She has the one stone in the uretor on the left side as well as 2 small stones in that kidney, right kidney was clear.
Forgot what else you asked about...she hasn't passed blood in her urine again since we started her on the herbs except one time after I had just been feeding it to her over her hay when she got tired of having it syringed to her and when I saw the blood in the urine we we back to syringing it.
We, the vets and I feel that it was a "perfect storm" for her. She was injured 3 years ago, was put on Equioxx and then Previcoxx long term due to a fractured patella, then last year grass hay was near impossible to get around here with the fact we didnt' get any rain and the cattle ranchers bought everything they could get their hands on. The only hay that was available that wasn't total crap was alfalfa and unfortunately that is what we fed for most of the year starting in about October last year until her diagnosis. We all believe she has already started a stone and that just kicked the formation into high gear.
Edited to add, the urine, especially after she has a bio scan treatment is most normally yellow rather than clear which I know is a good sign, or a better sign. The plan is to go back at the end of September, which will be about 6 months of herbs and then about 3 months of essential oils and bio scan treatments, have blood drawn again as well as a follow up ultrasound on kidneys and bladder.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Can I get a few prayers for her, everything is status quo but I'm having to leave town for a few days for a funeral and I'm having a lot of anxiety about being gone. I usually am any way, its just more so than usual due to her issues. I have a family friend feeding who is willing to put her herbs in her grain for me which I truly appreciate, normally I give it to her that way one time a day and the other time she gets them syringed. We've had to do 2 days in her feed but not this many days in row and I'm just a bit apprehensive. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Nothing really. I was gone for 5 days for my fiancé's dad's funeral, the neighbor fed for me so the horses had to stay in their pens. Thankfully the neighbor is an animal lover if not a horse owner so was willing to make sure that CC got her herbs everyday, though we did just mix them into a few cups of her Timothy Pellets. An aquaintance thru BHW did Reiki on her for me while I was gone, more or less a spiritual healing or life force energy. I came home to 3 bright eyed red horses who were wanting to run and play in their respective fields.
The only other thing that has changed is that we have decided to put off the follow up ultrasound which we had planned for the end of September and move it to the end of October. My fiancé will be gone mid September thru mid October, he takes his "vacation" every year and helps a family friend in their walnut huller. As long as CC continues to act, look, and display that she is feeling good I don't think the 30 days will hurt us any. We will take her to UC Davis, have the ultrasound on her kidneys and bladder, depending on how those come back we will go forward with the plan to have the bladder stone removed thru laser lithrotripsy. It is a little trickier to do that way, but the healing time is much shorter and easier on them. CC just isn't a good candidate for abdominal surgery, she is an EPIC FAIL at standing quietly anywhere let alone a stall for months at a time.
And Leo...thank you for asking, I appreciate it.
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | run n rate - 2014-09-05 10:52 AM
Nothing really. I was gone for 5 days for my fiancé's dad's funeral, the neighbor fed for me so the horses had to stay in their pens. Thankfully the neighbor is an animal lover if not a horse owner so was willing to make sure that CC got her herbs everyday, though we did just mix them into a few cups of her Timothy Pellets. An aquaintance thru BHW did Reiki on her for me while I was gone, more or less a spiritual healing or life force energy. I came home to 3 bright eyed red horses who were wanting to run and play in their respective fields.
The only other thing that has changed is that we have decided to put off the follow up ultrasound which we had planned for the end of September and move it to the end of October. My fiancé will be gone mid September thru mid October, he takes his "vacation" every year and helps a family friend in their walnut huller. As long as CC continues to act, look, and display that she is feeling good I don't think the 30 days will hurt us any. We will take her to UC Davis, have the ultrasound on her kidneys and bladder, depending on how those come back we will go forward with the plan to have the bladder stone removed thru laser lithrotripsy. It is a little trickier to do that way, but the healing time is much shorter and easier on them. CC just isn't a good candidate for abdominal surgery, she is an EPIC FAIL at standing quietly anywhere let alone a stall for months at a time.
And Leo...thank you for asking, I appreciate it.
Your welcome :) I was wondering how your girl was doing when you were gone.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | No, she had a stone stuck in the left uretor, along with the two smaller stones in the kidney and the large bladder stone. The bladder stone can be possibly removed vaginally via laser. They could posibbly get to the one in the uretor, but that surgery tends to only work in dogs because of the added length of the uretor in horses, also it would take multiple attempts to get to that one with each attempt @$5K. If I had the money she'd be there for sure. We didn't do the bladder stone yet because with the issue of the kidney it was hard to spend 1800 in a surgery that was really at that time merely a symptom of the real issue.
I rode her last night, she was feeling really good so I let her roll a little thru a pattern, she scorched it. Cooled her out, let her roll and hung out till she urinated. Clear of blood:). So hopefully the herbs , essential oils and bioscan will have diminished the size of stones and the function of the kidneys . |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Hair analysis was done again here a week or so ago. CC's immune and lymph systems are much better, at this point she can go off of those herbs, she can go to having the kidney herbs once a day instead of 2x, though we are adding a product called Norweguin (spelling) it isn't a herb but is for the bladder... |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | And I got the book!!! Thank you so very much, missed most of the game last night (which I never do) and read myself to sleep, woke up about 2 with the book on my chest, LOL!!! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Sunday I rode and she felt good while I was riding but did pass some blood in her urine after we were done which I hadn't seen since May at all. Not sure if its a set back or if she is in the process of passing a stone but thinking I will either get off of her entirely or just walk her on the rides until the appointment at UCD at the end of October. After she urinated she went over and went right back to eating like nothing was wrong and when I was done riding the other two horses and turned everyone back out for the afternoon she took off in her usual extended trot across the field after some turkeys, she used to be terrified of the turkeys but she has learned from my other mare that if you chase them they run from you so she thinks that is the coolest thing ever. Other than chasing squirrels around the oak tree that is...She has been eating normally and no temperature since the incident on Sunday. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | The post about God Intervening by Ladyjockey made me realize I hadn't posted on here in a while...so here it is.
After the incident when CC passed blood I purchased an essential oil blend from a board buddy who's mare also has kidney stones and have CC on that also. I decided to go ahead and put some short easy rides on her after she had been on the product for about a week because she gets depressed when she isn't being ridden and doesn't eat well. I also put her on a product called Novequin that is a pre- and probiotic. CC has gained weight on this combination and hasn't passed any blood either.
The reason the post by Ladyjockey spurred this is I specifically remember a conversation with God I had not only when CC fractured her patella and I prayed to God that I would never ask for anything from Him ever again if my mare could be sound enough just to be a pasture pet. I know He heard me, its the only thing that explains the fact not only did she come sound again,but sound enough again to ride her and run again. Then when I got the news from the Vets that she had kidney stones and there was nothing they could do for her complete panic set in. We were in the truck headed to have lunch, I called my regular Vet to ask him more information or at least a glimmer of hope and got basically more bad news. DAve had to pull over because I thought I was going to throw up, Dave took over the phone call for me while I got out to get some fresh air. I was crying so hard that I could barely breathe, walking aimlessly down a sidewalk in a town I do not know and suddenly absolute Peace came over me. I was standing outside a Church... I remember suddenly thinking "God did not save her the first time only to lose her to something like this...you must find the answer. Stop crying, breathe and start searching." I went back to the truck and told Dave "Forget lunch, lets go get CC. We want to go home and get better." |
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Location: In a happy place | run n rate - 2014-10-24 11:51 AM The post about God Intervening by Ladyjockey made me realize I hadn't posted on here in a while...so here it is. After the incident when CC passed blood I purchased an essential oil blend from a board buddy who's mare also has kidney stones and have CC on that also. I decided to go ahead and put some short easy rides on her after she had been on the product for about a week because she gets depressed when she isn't being ridden and doesn't eat well. I also put her on a product called Novequin that is a pre- and probiotic. CC has gained weight on this combination and hasn't passed any blood either. The reason the post by Ladyjockey spurred this is I specifically remember a conversation with God I had not only when CC fractured her patella and I prayed to God that I would never ask for anything from Him ever again if my mare could be sound enough just to be a pasture pet. I know He heard me, its the only thing that explains the fact not only did she come sound again,but sound enough again to ride her and run again. Then when I got the news from the Vets that she had kidney stones and there was nothing they could do for her complete panic set in. We were in the truck headed to have lunch, I called my regular Vet to ask him more information or at least a glimmer of hope and got basically more bad news. DAve had to pull over because I thought I was going to throw up, Dave took over the phone call for me while I got out to get some fresh air. I was crying so hard that I could barely breathe, walking aimlessly down a sidewalk in a town I do not know and suddenly absolute Peace came over me. I was standing outside a Church... I remember suddenly thinking "God did not save her the first time only to lose her to something like this...you must find the answer. Stop crying, breathe and start searching." I went back to the truck and told Dave "Forget lunch, lets go get CC. We want to go home and get better."
I have been thinking about you and your mare lately. Thank you for the post. God has answered your prayers. |
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Location: CA | I get the fear and panic thing. I love when God gently reminds you of those things you already know.
My mare is doing pretty well, I have been riding her and not seeing any issues to date. I am thinking I may be able to put a couple of runs on her this winter and just see how she is doing. I am hoping your mare is improving. :) |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Thank you all for hanging with me and your prayers and insights on this journey...I truly hope it is one that continues for years and years to come. I knew from the beginning that CC was put in my life to change it. I thought it was the search for true horsemanship that she was bringing to me, turns out it was that and a deeper spiritual connection. I have no doubt in my mind that a Guardian Angel looked out over both of us in 2011 when she fractured her patella and again when she was attacked by the mountain lion in 2012. Hope we havent' exhausted our Angels wings :-) |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | CC will be going in the week of the 17th it looks like for a follow up ultrasound on the kidneys. If her kidneys have held from 7 months ago or , please God, improved then the vet has agreed to try the laser lithrotripsy on the bladder stone. I think I'm more terrified this time around, last time ignorance was bliss!!!! I now we all feel this way about our amazing animals and I appreciate those of you that took the time to if not respond on this topic, at least kept us in your thoughts. I know your prayers and CC grit and heart have gotten us this far and I thank you for it!!!! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Ultrasound is scheduled for Tuesday the 18th and then the lithrotripsy tentatively for the next day. I need the kidney's to have held their ground and the laser to work on her stone in her bladder. If you could all just say a prayer for her I'd appreciate it....  |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Thanks...Tuesday cannot get here fast enough for me. I know we are more than likely not going to "heal" her kidneys, but I'd like to think that we can at least keep them functioning at a high enough level to keep her as healthy as we can.
In hindsight, I think about the times that she seemed to have a particularly hard heat or especially cranky and I chalked it up to being a moody excitable mare. After talking to the vets we both think some of those signs were due to the either the kidney stones causing pain or the bladder stone long before we knew they were there. They didnt' happen over night. I've always known this little mare was as tough as nails...now I realize just to what degree.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Blood work came back good, believe both kidneys functioning still at full strength. Right kidney still clear, 2 small stones in left, however 2 small stones in bladder are gone, just the one larger one. Surgery to remove it by lithrotripsy (breaking it up) will be made tomorrow @9:30 am. Thank you all again for your prayers!!! CC and I need a few more stars to align but prayer is strong. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Vet doing the ultra sound was amazed. She said that normally a kidney with stones in it looks knarley, CC still look good. I'm crediting the herbs:-) |
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Location: CA | run n rate - 2014-11-19 9:48 AM She just went in about 5 minutes ago...
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Thank you all so much!!! Stone is out!!!!!!!
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Sorry for leaving you all hanging... CC had some trouble coming out of the meds and a bit from the epidermal. They put her back on the IV drip to help flush them and just had to wait it out. They kept her in the belly sling for quite sometime to make sure she wouldn't fall. She is back in her stall and doing pretty well. Tomorrow they will scope her and see if she needs to be flushed again, for that she won't need the heavier meds.
Antibiotics and some banamine for the night and to come home on. Recommended to have her bladder ultrasounded every 6 months for awhile as well as the previous diet changes for the kidneys. |
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Location: sunny california | run n rate - 2014-11-19 4:47 PM Sorry for leaving you all hanging... CC had some trouble coming out of the meds and a bit from the epidermal. They put her back on the IV drip to help flush them and just had to wait it out. They kept her in the belly sling for quite sometime to make sure she wouldn't fall. She is back in her stall and doing pretty well. Tomorrow they will scope her and see if she needs to be flushed again, for that she won't need the heavier meds. Antibiotics and some banamine for the night and to come home on. Recommended to have her bladder ultrasounded every 6 months for awhile as well as the previous diet changes for the kidneys.
can you summarize what you did for her?
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Initially we just knew about the bladder stone after having her ultrasounded when she passed blood. The. We found out about the kidney stones which they basically can't do much for. I was told to take her home and put her down. Did some research , put her on a regiment of Equine Natural Care herbs for kidney, immune and lymph systems as well as changing her diet to grass hay. That was in May. In June I started her on some essential oils also, one that was recommended by Doterra and another from a board buddy. Also had her Bioscanned a few times a month, really noticed that she urinated much easier and more fully for a few days 4-5, after wards. We wanted to see if we could keep the kidneys functioning at a appropriate level to make the bladder stone removal worth the shot and obviously it appears we were able to do that. The vets were pretty excited to see heathy looking kidney, albeit with a stone in it, and it is producing urine just like the right stone free kidney . That is the goal, to keep the functioning at as high a level as possible so will continue with what has seemed to work so far. |
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Location: CA | run n rate - 2014-11-18 7:54 PM
Vet doing the ultra sound was amazed. She said that normally a kidney with stones in it looks knarley, CC still look good. I'm crediting the herbs:-)
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Location: sunny california | run n rate - 2014-11-19 5:19 PM Initially we just knew about the bladder stone after having her ultrasounded when she passed blood. The. We found out about the kidney stones which they basically can't do much for. I was told to take her home and put her down. Did some research , put her on a regiment of Equine Natural Care herbs for kidney, immune and lymph systems as well as changing her diet to grass hay. That was in May. In June I started her on some essential oils also, one that was recommended by Doterra and another from a board buddy. Also had her Bioscanned a few times a month, really noticed that she urinated much easier and more fully for a few days 4-5, after wards. We wanted to see if we could keep the kidneys functioning at a appropriate level to make the bladder stone removal worth the shot and obviously it appears we were able to do that. The vets were pretty excited to see heathy looking kidney, albeit with a stone in it, and it is producing urine just like the right stone free kidney . That is the goal, to keep the functioning at as high a level as possible so will continue with what has seemed to work so far.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | There was one less kidney stone this time, there were 3 last time, this time only two which were the same size it appeared to be as the ultrasound in May. Also, the two smaller bladders stones were gone which may very well been why she passed blood in September the one time.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Shoot, it says it is too big to attach and I have no idea how to resize...
wait, will this work???
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=695586997203164&set=a.530150...
Made this picture public so you should be able to see it now...
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Talked to the Vet that did the surgery, CC is doing exceptionally well, urinating fully. They were removing the IV Cath shortly after I spoke to him around 11 and then were thinking they would do one more Morphine shot thru the epideral IV and then take that out also. He felt I could take her home today but we have decided to leave her until Saturday because A) its raining and we don't have a stall and B) I want to make double sure she is ready to come home to STAY :-)
This was the first time he had used the retrieval bag for the stone so he was pretty excited about how things went. Seriously, I think it was about 20-30 minutes from the time they got the stone in the bag to when the student in charge of CC came out to show it to me! Before this he said they take 2-3 hours and in the past had to go back in the next day to complete it the removal and finish flushing the bladder.
Also, adding a link...this is the type of surgery along with the retrieval bag that they used. CC being a mare obviously did not have to have the Perineal urethrostomy. The benefits of being a girl :-)
http://csu-cvmbs.colostate.edu/Documents/equine-medicine-surgery-ca...
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Picked her up today... About 50 minutes from home. 10 days of antibiotics and 3 more days of Banamine. Discharge says she can return to normal exercise routine..., think we'll give that another week or so:)
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Location: CA | Bibliafarm - 2014-11-22 6:16 PM
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Dang! that thing is huge! Looks like you are on your way! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Thank you again for your help in this TT3, I will continue to use your blend of oil along with her herbs for her kidneys, As I said, this is a journey and I appreciate your help in it:)
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I don't remember exactly but not all that big... Her stone was pretty darn large. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Her stone was measured as a 6.4 centimeters....which is roughly 2 and a half inches. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Ran into a little colic episode with her Monday but she is feeling better and think we WP be good to go soon! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | CC is doing well, she is urinating a nice flow now. Took about a week or so for her body to really figure out that it no longer had to posture constantly. A good friend loaned me her Bio Scan machine and we will be doing that weekly for quite some time too. The vet recommended she stay on the Herbs and the essential oils, all of the vets that were on her case at UC Davis were impressed with her physical condition and the fact her kidneys were still functioning fully. They also marveled at how easily her stone that was in the bladder broke up enough to get it to pass thru the urethra. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I will try to get some updated photos of her but she looks a little like a patch work quilt right now due to the shaved spots on her sides, neck and rear end, LOL!!! Last night Dave asked me, I think searching for Christmas present ideas, what I wanted or needed for myself. I simply could not think of anything...I have everything I could ever want right now. All 3 horse are sound and CC has that gleam back in her eye ready to take on the day. I'm sure when the weather settles down and I get a chance to get back on her I'm going to wish I had asked for a Magic Seat.
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Location: In a happy place | run n rate - 2014-12-06 12:18 PM I will try to get some updated photos of her but she looks a little like a patch work quilt right now due to the shaved spots on her sides, neck and rear end, LOL!!! Last night Dave asked me, I think searching for Christmas present ideas, what I wanted or needed for myself. I simply could not think of anything...I have everything I could ever want right now. All 3 horse are sound and CC has that gleam back in her eye ready to take on the day. I'm sure when the weather settles down and I get a chance to get back on her I'm going to wish I had asked for a Magic Seat.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Good to hear about your mare too:)
Seeing if I can attach a picture from today for all of you ...
try again..
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=705055519589645&set=a.530150...
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Location: OH. IO | So happy to hear this story. WOW,what a love you have for that mare. You are truly an inspiration. Your determination and your mares fight to pull through is amazing. Im so glad you have kept us up to date with your journey.Much success ,and many happy years I pray you have with her. Merry Christmas!!!! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Thank you Jake16,I appreciate the kind words. The vet student that was put in charge of her at UC Davis is doing her Ground Rounds Presentation
I wish the like buttons were back so I could "like/love" everyone of you that has stuck with me and bounced ideas for me or sent a prayer up for us. I hope to keep bugging you all for years to come with updates about this little mare and I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to purchase the shirt from Ranchdressin/ "Fear the Little Red Horse!" |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | We got hit last week with a big storm, had to move the mares up from the lower pasture and split a pen out back for them. Good thing we did, the creek came over the berm on the west side and we had about 4.5 foot of water in what used to be the pastures. Its happened before a few times in the 40 some years we've lived there. Yesterday it had dried up enough, I walked the fence lines and pick up a bit of debris that had come thru and let the mares out for some "play" time. My big mare wore herself out in about a half hour, sweating and tired and finally settled down to eat some hay I had thrown out to them. Not CC. She ran and bucked and ran some more for over an hour, settled down long enough to eat a little hay, rolled and went on another running bucking spree for a good half hour, trotting the fence line trying to get the gelding on one end or the big mare to run with her, no takers. When I brought them back up the big mare was flat footed, head down, tuckered out. By the way CC trotted and pulled on me I think she figured she had just gotten warmed up for the real action. She urinated once out there and there was no blood in her urine. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Indeed S&T!!! Which is why we really did not want to do the stone removal abdomenally...She sucks at being on stall rest of any kind, hence the reason she was in a large pen after the fractured patella. Figured if she made it thru the surgery she would have committed suicide in the first 2 weeks of the mandatory 4-6 week "quiet in a stall" period.
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OMG...that thing is huge! This is the first picture I could see since I'm not friends with you. So glad everything is working out. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Her attitude everyday of this has amazed me, not once has she looked like this was too much for her, like I was asking her to do more than she could handle. When I saw the literal size of the stone it was then that I realized how truly truly tough she is and how much I did ask of her. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Well it finally dried out enough to have the farrier out and get everyone done. They were about 2 weeks over due which is not how we roll at this house but they had been in mud about 6-8 inches deep until a few days before Christmas. Travis was blown away at how good all of their feet looked especially considering the rain and mud. No thrush even on Tucker with his pads. They are all on the Immune herb. Again, with CC no need for the pour in pads, feet are looking good, no sloughing of hoof wall and her heels are almost back to normal!!! Still haven't been able to ride yet but she tore around the pasture before and after getting re-shod on Saturday enjoying the sun and challenging her team mates to foot races which they attempted to hang with her for a few laps and then decided it was too much effort, LOL!!! God love a horse who's sole purpose in life is enjoying every cotton picking moment of it!!! |
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| run n rate - 2014-12-29 11:33 AM
Well it finally dried out enough to have the farrier out and get everyone done. They were about 2 weeks over due which is not how we roll at this house but they had been in mud about 6-8 inches deep until a few days before Christmas. Travis was blown away at how good all of their feet looked especially considering the rain and mud. No thrush even on Tucker with his pads. They are all on the Immune herb. Again, with CC no need for the pour in pads, feet are looking good, no sloughing of hoof wall and her heels are almost back to normal!!! Still haven't been able to ride yet but she tore around the pasture before and after getting re-shod on Saturday enjoying the sun and challenging her team mates to foot races which they attempted to hang with her for a few laps and then decided it was too much effort, LOL!!! God love a horse who's sole purpose in life is enjoying every cotton picking moment of it!!!
Who do you get your immune herbs from? I am sure you have posted it earlier, but I am not finding it. Is that what you think has made their feet better? I am battling thin soles on my horse. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | The brand I use is Equine Natural Care, they are @$60 for a 2 month supply. My gelding has thin soles and flat feet too, I put him on the Hoof & Hair herb in August. I had emailed another herbs company originally about CC's issues and just got a canned response "We can make no claims but we suggest using our Kidney #37 herb" I emailed back asking what each herb that was in there was in there to do and I just got the same response "We can make no claims..." At least the ENC herbs gave me a list of what was in theirs and what is was there for. I understand that just like humans our systems don't all respond the same to all supplements, I just wanted to be informed about what I was giving my horse and why. ENC helped me fill those things in. |
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So January 4, 2015 it finally dried up enough to ride safely at our place, the creek flooded our lower pasture about 2 or 3 weeks ago. Got all 3 horses ridden and CC was a superstar!!!! Hadn't been on her since October, which with her is unheard of and it normally means you are in for a wild time for the first 15 minutes or so, LOL!!! I let her run in the geldings pasture while I rode him and my other mare, she tore it up the entire time. I rode her last so that A) she had time to run and play and B) so that I had time afterwards to really hang out and watch her. Took about 10-15 minutes but she finally urinated a big flow, no blood!!! I know the vets and I were still questioning where the blood I the urine originated, if it was kidney related or bladder stone. I'm feeling relatively confident that at this point it was the bladder stone. Bring on the new year!!! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Both days were gorgeous this weekend, hadn't gotten to ride since the 5th of January, work , family, being sick. Finally got to ride on Saturday and Sunday, this is a short video from Saturday on CC. With her timing is so important and I had none but she was happy to be loping and doing something. Have a lot of work to get us both back into shape but looking forward to it!!! Wish I had grabbed the camera on Sunday, she was awesome. Legging her up and getting her ready for this season is a dream come true!
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Location: 31 lengths farms | The days are still short here, run out of daylight by the time I get off work so just riding on weekends but have been long trotting and loping her and Saturday she went for a good solid 30 minutes between the two gaits with a couple short sessions of collected trotting just to remind her she can and needs to, LOL!!! She seems to be doing well, coat looks amazing, feet look good, no issues as of late with losing shoes, urinating regularly. Her first post surgery ultrasound will be sometime in April. Almost bought a cap for us at the Bull & Gelding sale to remind myself. It said Be Brave, Be Fierce. She is Fierce and I need to remind myself to be Brave running to the first this year on this little mare. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I may have to wait and share the 2nd or 3rd run, LOL!!!You know, a practice run for me to find my big girl panties....  I swear, I think if I "lope" to the first this year Dave will come down and pull me off her and hand the reins to someone who isn't  . But thank you, can't wait to share even the "bad" runs as long as she feels good and comes back healthy crappy runs can always be fixed. I'm hoping me being a Fraidy Cat to the first is fixable too....
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Its been beautiful here the last week, had a week or so of rain before that so hadn't gotten to ride again for a week or more. Saturday it was finally dry enough to ride safely in the pasture, CC was awesome, a little fire plug when I first got on but settled in nicely after a few laps. Have started asking her for shape and collection again instead of just being happy to ride her and having her feel good. Turned her out in the pasture next door while I got the other two ridden also, she ran and played and bucked and then proceeded to eat everything in sight afterwards. Her appetite has always been directly related to how much ride time she is getting, wish I had that same issue, LOL!!!
Sunday she started out nice and relaxed and then she did her thing that she has not done in over a year,, when I picked up the lope on her she did her blow blow blow thing that she used to do when she loped nice relaxed circles...reminds me of the sounds that reining horses make loping their slow circles. I tied her up afterwards while I rode my big mare, again to try and keep an eye on if she needed to urinate afterwards, she never did while tied but after I let her loose she went and rolled and several minutes later did urinate, not the biggest stream but nice and yellow and still no blood.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Ack!!! If this keeps up I may need to really buy the magic seat...it has been pretty nice here, CC continues to do well, almost fit enough to start going and entering. I'm a little neurotic about my horses being in top shape before I make a run on them anyway and with CC's issues its double important for me at this point. However she is looking great, feeling good, she has hit the afterburners a couple times here lately and I'm hoping I can channel her extra energy as well as remain seated during the entire performance!!! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Well they'll be shared, good, bad, whatever, lol!!! I wonder how many of us truly realize how lucky we are when we every time we throw a leg over one of them and simply worry about a good run. I realized I can pretty much fix anything that happens in a run, fixing their health takes try, good luck, good vets and lots of prayer. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Been getting about 3-4 rides a week in on her, sometimes more, thank goodness for DLS, LOL!! Seriously thinking of heading to a race the first weekend in April. Not sure if she'll really even remember to find a barrel but you gotta start somewheres right???? LOL!!! Have been doing bioscan on her a few times a week (a friend of mine loaned me her machine!!!) and still doing her herbs like clockwork. She seems to be doing well, health looks good from the outside and her next ultrasound will be in May. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Lets just say at this point I still haven't gotten over the absolute joy of simply being able to toss a saddle on her and heading out to ride and lope and let her do her thing. I still feel like I need to pinch myself :-) Hopefully that feeling continues after the May ultra sound too!!! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Hauled over to an arena I usually use to get ready for Pendleton with the horses yesterday, CC's first haul to ride rather than for vet appointments in about a year. After warming her up I cruised thru a pattern, little by the first, but all and all for the first time on the pattern in almost 2 years at anything faster than a slow lope or trot I'll take it!!! Walked her out for a little while and then cruised thru again, nailed the first . Walked her out, rode my gelding and then walked them around and let them eat some grass. CC urinated, no blood!!! First time I've let her open up a little since the surgery.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | no video but here are some photos from Saturday's ride...that is CC tucked in behind my gelding at the trailer and then that is her on the right of the photo with them grazing afterward.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | CC seemed a little off this morning, listened to her gut, good gut noises but just seemed not herself. Good refill in her gums and her skin didn't tent when I did the pinch test. Gave her some Immediate Response and then went home and checked on her at noon, she was tearing around the field and pestering the gelding in the next pasture. We had a sudden hot spell last week, went from 72 to 90+ over night. Need to get some electrolytes and start feeding them too I think. Any suggestions? |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | So I think tonight is the night for our first run back...I'm sick to my stomach but after Della's post I know that a bad run as far as downed barrels and or riding poorly is the least of my worries. The big thing is having them come out of the pen sound and healthy, we've been working on this for over a year to get her to this spot. I bought a Wonder Woman T-shirt to run in tonight, not for myself but for CC. This little mare makes me smile and I know the tears in my eyes tonight wont' be just from the wind whipping by...We still have a long way to go but looking at my original post from almost a year ago proves to me what a fighter this little mare is. She is my Hero. |
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Location: Montgomery TX | I've been following your story since the beginning.... It blows my mind every thing you've been thru with this little mare. Tonight is gonna rock for both of you!!! I'll be anxiously checking back for updates......
Edited because I wanted to say: LOVE the wonder woman t-shir!
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Thank you both...I may need a calming cookie, LOL!!! Leave here in a few minutes to go hitch up. I'm excited and scared to death all at the same time. She is in the best health we can keep her in, she looks amazing or I wouldn't be running her. I just can't believe that I'm finally getting to do this again on this mare. She made my dreams come true 3 years ago on Pendleton grass and God has kept her in His hand for me the last year in particular.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Well our run didn't go as planned, lol!!! But she ran hard, and came home in great shape. Urinated about 15 minutes after the run, no blood.
I forgot my mind, actually ran to the first and then never rated, just dropped the outside rein and pulled. Got by it by about 2 strides, pulled more, ended up almost on the wrong side of the first ... After readjusting ourselves finished the run, little hiccup on the 2nd, again, failure on my part. But ran a 20.2 with a 17.9 winning it. Like I said, as long as she came back healthy I can fix the rest:-) |
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Location: Arkansas | The faith you have in your mare and the heart and try she has brings tears to my eyes. Some folks would have thought "eh, too many issues and too much time and money involved" and would have sent her down the road. But she knew you loved her and believed in her and THAT is part of the cure right there. Many many thanks for being one of the people that won't give up on our four-footed babies even when the going gets tough. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Ahh, thank you Chandlers Mom<3
For a while she was very frustrating because she has the tools but things weren't coming together AT ALL. Then in 2011 I made a huge mistake, she took off running and ran into the blade of a tractor and fractured her patella. I just was hoping to get her sound enough to be a pasture ornament. I owed it to her for the bad decision I made. She never quit me , we hand walked many miles together, when it was 110, when it was raining. She got to where I couldn't keep up with her and I started ponying her, them the other horses couldn't keep up anymore. In that year I figured out how her brain worked and it made me appreciate how she had tried for me, I just didn't realize how differently this mare processes things. We became a team, I started to see things and process things thru her eyes and it made me a better team mate for her. I truly believe she was put in my life to change it... She already has in so many ways. |
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Location: Arkansas | run n rate - 2015-05-02 2:52 PM
Ahh, thank you Chandlers Mom<3
For a while she was very frustrating because she has the tools but things weren't coming together AT ALL. Then in 2011 I made a huge mistake, she took off running and ran into the blade of a tractor and fractured her patella. I just was hoping to get her sound enough to be a pasture ornament. I owed it to her for the bad decision I made. She never quit me , we hand walked many miles together, when it was 110, when it was raining. She got to where I couldn't keep up with her and I started ponying her, them the other horses couldn't keep up anymore. In that year I figured out how her brain worked and it made me appreciate how she had tried for me, I just didn't realize how differently this mare processes things. We became a team, I started to see things and process things thru her eyes and it made me a better team mate for her. I truly believe she was put in my life to change it... She already has in so many ways.
She was definitely put in the right person's life---I'm so very happy you two have each other. What a great team too! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Thank you GLP for all you have done for her too:-) we have a long way to go, but we took a huge step last night. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Just a side note...3 years ago you couldn't have paid me enough to share THAT video. I would have deleted it so quickly it would have made your head spin, however when your horse gets a death sentence and somehow miraculously makes it to a point the vets give you the go ahead to run them again, the mere act of being able to enter a race takes on a whole new meaning. Was it a crap run? Absolutely. But, she ran and she came back looking good, urinated and passed no blood. CC answered a lot of unanswered questions Friday night, showed people that sometimes it's only over when we quit. Friday's run was my little Wonder Woman's stepping stone and as ugly as it was I couldn't be prouder of the fighter she is. |
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| run n rate - 2015-05-03 11:51 AM
Just a side note...3 years ago you couldn't have paid me enough to share THAT video. I would have deleted it so quickly it would have made your head spin, however when your horse gets a death sentence and somehow miraculously makes it to a point the vets give you the go ahead to run them again, the mere act of being able to enter a race takes on a whole new meaning. Was it a crap run? Absolutely. But, she ran and she came back looking good, urinated and passed no blood. CC answered a lot of unanswered questions Friday night, showed people that sometimes it's only over when we quit. Friday's run was my little Wonder Woman's stepping stone and as ugly as it was I couldn't be prouder of the fighter she is.
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Location: Arkansas | run n rate - 2015-05-03 11:51 AM
Just a side note...3 years ago you couldn't have paid me enough to share THAT video. I would have deleted it so quickly it would have made your head spin, however when your horse gets a death sentence and somehow miraculously makes it to a point the vets give you the go ahead to run them again, the mere act of being able to enter a race takes on a whole new meaning. Was it a crap run? Absolutely. But, she ran and she came back looking good, urinated and passed no blood. CC answered a lot of unanswered questions Friday night, showed people that sometimes it's only over when we quit. Friday's run was my little Wonder Woman's stepping stone and as ugly as it was I couldn't be prouder of the fighter she is.
Ok RNR you make me teary every time you post!!!!! Yea for you and CC |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | You guys have no idea how much it means to me to still have people following her story...
Last week I had hitched up the trailer only to find out that the blinkers on the right didn't work so going to the race then was out. However I did sneak around the corner to an arena to ride but was pouting about it a little, trying to talk myself into "the lights didnt' work because it was God's way of telling me I had more work to do first" (which was really true but I wanted it to be because life isn't fair...you know a good old pity party. I got home and Dave asked how things went, I said "Great, if riding around freaking arena with no one else is gonna get me anywhere..you didn't help me pay for the surgery to lope circles in an abandoned arena". Dave laughed and said "No, I paid for the surgery to save her life and I could care less where she lopes circles"
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Little photo update of my girl, that is her on the right and my gelding Tucker on the left hanging out at the arena last week...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=783323828429480&set=a.530150...
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Went home last Friday to load up and head to a race, she had a scrape on her back right leg, look around to see where she might have done it at and see a panel down on the end of the pasture that seperates her and the gelding all mashed up. Looks like she kicked and got over the top of it, mashed it down a good bit, how she didnt' get a leg completely stuck thru it and break the darn thing I do not know but she was pretty sore. Since Bute and Previcoxx arent' really on her list of items she can have I poulticed her with an Arnica clay and gave her some Banamine. Talked to my Herb rep and got a product called Neoprofin which is an enzyme as I understand it that doesn't inhibit the production of Coxx in their gut and is safe for the kidney's. She was slightly swollen in the hock and fetlock on Saturday morning but moving well. Swelling has been gone since Sunday, but giving her the week off and doing some BioScan also. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Thank you...she is trotting sound in a straight line and I trotted her on the end of the lead in circles last night but she tends to want to trot them on top of you so it was hard to see but she looked good. I'm not sure this mares nerve ending go all the way to her brain at times. Swelling is gone and she ran around like a fool while I rode the other two on Monday night not to happy about her banishment. I think I need a scope for ulcers. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | YOU are absolutely right Chandler's Mom...she feels the need to do something big every 6 months whether I'm on the program or not. Last year she only pulled the kidney/bladder stones so she felt like she was behind schedule.  In the meantime I am going to start myself on a round of UlcerGuard. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | run n rate - 2015-05-19 2:14 PM
Went home last Friday to load up and head to a race, she had a scrape on her back right leg, look around to see where she might have done it at and see a panel down on the end of the pasture that seperates her and the gelding all mashed up. Looks like she kicked and got over the top of it, mashed it down a good bit, how she didnt' get a leg completely stuck thru it and break the darn thing I do not know but she was pretty sore. Since Bute and Previcoxx arent' really on her list of items she can have I poulticed her with an Arnica clay and gave her some Banamine. Talked to my Herb rep and got a product called Neoprofin which is an enzyme as I understand it that doesn't inhibit the production of Coxx in their gut and is safe for the kidney's. She was slightly swollen in the hock and fetlock on Saturday morning but moving well. Swelling has been gone since Sunday, but giving her the week off and doing some BioScan also.
Previcox, Bute, Banamine, and Equiprofen are all NSAIDS and all can be toxic to your horse's kidneys. I don't know why you were told Equiprofen is an enzyme. Previcox seems to have fewer GI side effects, but given your horse's history, I would be careful about giving any NSAIDS. Maybe cold water hosing is better. |
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How does Neprofin work?
A special blend of fungal protease, bromelain and papain are combined with serrapeptase, a powerful proteolytic (protein digesting) enzyme, to digest excessive blood proteins and free radicals. Serrapeptase is used worldwide for its ability to reduce swelling and increase the speed of recovery. The formula also contains doses of amylase and lipase, as well as a natural gooseberry extract known as Amla which provides synergistic support to the enzyme blend. Neprofin also contains rutin, an important bioflavonoid that may help to repair damaged tissue. Neprofin AVF is an excellent choice for injuries and is ideal for decreasing recovery times. It is also effective for active, athletic animals to ensure a prompt recovery from soreness and swelling due to over-activity.
Neprofin AVF enzymes aid to assimilate food into nutrients and discard the waste. It works continuously with the pH variation of the digestive tract to increase digestion and absorption, which also intensifies absorption of released amino acids. Neprofin aims to improving circulation, speeding tissue repair, alleviating joint discomfort, supporting cardiovascular health, and relieving respiratory complaints
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Rode her for about 15 minutes on Friday night to get a feel on her since she looked good on the lead in the straightaway and okay from what I could see with her trotting on top of me in circles, LOL!!! She is the worst failure at "lunging" EVER!!!! She treats me like I'm the barrel...or how I wish she would turn a barrel anyway....
Anyway, she felt good, no issues at any gait, collected or extended though I did not extend the lope, we kept it fairly under control and seems like she once again got thru this scrape with danger, I'm running out of lives for myself however. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | And we go in sometime next week for her 6 month ultrasound. She seems to be doing fine, eating, drinking, and doing great in general. This is a routine visit we will be making hopefully every 6 months for years to come to have her bladder ultrasounded to check on any new formations of stones in it and get them plucked out before it might get to large to pass, as well as checking the kidneys.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Please send up some prayers for us, she goes in next Friday for a rescope and ultrasound to look for any new stones forming and take a look a the health of the kidneys. I'd love to see no sediment or any actual stones in the bladder and at the very least the kidneys t have held their health from last November and if it werent' too much to ask for another Miracle for her...No Stones, LOL!!!
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Location: 31 lengths farms | 6 month check up... Clean as a whistle!!! Both Uretors passing urine, bladder lining markedly improved from previous examination!!! Whoop whoop!!! |
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Location: Arkansas | Have you started YOUR Ulcerguard yet?!! Yea for you and CC. How'd your gelding check out?
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Lol, I need to for sure. Gelding after being blocked in rt front showed some slight ouch I left front also. Digitalis showed very mild "navicular changes" which really the vet said maybe unique to him as both navicular bones were the same as each other but just different shaped than the "norm". The bone itself is clean. Some osteo changes in the tips of his coffin but very very slight. Doesn't feel wedges would benefit him at ALL, wants us to go to softer type more giving pads for a few cycles as when they did the lameness exam Tucker was only very slightly off in the tight circles n hard ground, at first they didn't even think he was off until they saw the difference in his stride after they blocked him. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | It has been a tough year at times but last November when her ultrasounds came back with good enough news that Dr. Katzman was willing to do the surgery I felt like I could never get better news. That was until yesterday when the scope showed what it did, healthy beautiful bladder and kidneys producing urine. I told Doc is kiss him if I could get back there, I was busy whispering prayers in CC's ears at the moment, lol!!! Afterwards as we were waiting for Tucker's blocks to take effect and saw other horses get good and bad news here and there, I thought back to a year ago and CC's original diagnosis and being told there was nothing they could do that made sense for us. Not sure how of all the places in Davis we ended up at being in front of a church but I thank God for that message He allowed me to hear that day " quit crying, go get your horse and go get better answers"... That day saved me just as much as it saved CC. All I could think of was how many owners left yesterday with bad news and how lucky I was that I was able to hear God speak to me that day. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Wanted to try to share the pictures of the Headstall I had made for her. I saw one on Rockstar Custom Leather that I liked and tweaked it a bit, wanted something to represent what a Warrior this little mare is... This is what Kayla came up with and she added "She's A Warrior" on the throatlatch as a surprise. Amazing!!!
https://m.facebook.com/nannette.schumacher/posts/ms.c.eJwzt7SwNDY1MD...
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Location: Arkansas | I agree with Jake-----you are The Best horse momma! Not sure how many you have but CC and Tucker (I believe?) hit the jackpot when they got you. God speaks to us, we just have to be listening. And you have good ears!! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Thank you ChandlersMom, but I definitely feel like I'm the lucky one. Tucker is just the coolest horse ever, mark a 72 in the cutting pen, hits the lower D 's in big pens if I ride correctly , my. 85 year old dad can gather cows on him and my non horsey fiancé can trail ride on him, he just makes everything easy and no big deal. CC has been a challenge but I learned from her to really watch and listen to a horse. I've had to change my approach on a lot of things for her but I think it made me a better horseman by far than I would have been without her. She makes me smile every day. The heart and will that horse has makes it easy to try really hard for her . |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Not much to update which can be a good thing, LOL!!! Won't be headed to races for awhile unfortunately as our truck got sideswiped last week and bent the tie rods, jacked up the entire front end so it is in the shop and wont get it back for at least 2.5 weeks and have nothing else to haul with :-( Have been riding a bit down the creek, last week it was 114 a few days so didn't ride as I don't like to stress her too much.
Had a few people inquire on some of the things I have done for her. one thing I learned was with the ACV you can take the regular ACV and pour unfiltered ACV with the mothers in it and it will grow its own mothers basically doubling your batch. |
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Location: Arkansas | run n rate - 2015-07-09 1:46 PM
Not much to update which can be a good thing, LOL!!! Won't be headed to races for awhile unfortunately as our truck got sideswiped last week and bent the tie rods, jacked up the entire front end so it is in the shop and wont get it back for at least 2.5 weeks and have nothing else to haul with :-( Have been riding a bit down the creek, last week it was 114 a few days so didn't ride as I don't like to stress her too much.
Had a few people inquire on some of the things I have done for her. one thing I learned was with the ACV you can take the regular ACV and pour unfiltered ACV with the mothers in it and it will grow its own mothers basically doubling your batch.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | July has been an unplanned "break" for the horses. And I'm thinking I'll just skip July all together next year. July 1st we got side swiped in the truck hauling a flat bed trailer, busted the tie rod and basically ruined the entire front axle, wheels, steering box etc. in the truck which we still have not gotten back from repair. And then my mom passed away July 29th. Mom had dementia though she was still funny as heck and knew family members, she had had a stroke 1 1/2 years ago and was in a memory care facility about 1/4 mile from my work so I would go have lunch with her everyday and take my dog Paisley with me, the folks at the facility loved having her come see them and mom ate her food better because she shared one spoonful with Paisley and one spoonful for herself. She had been in fairly good health, was having trouble with UTI's as she had a Foley Catheter and had had it for some years. When I got the call from the facility that mom was headed to the hospital I assumed it was a round of fluids, and antibiotics and we'd get kicked out of there and sent home. Quite the shock when the doctor informed me that mom's kidneys had failed and she was septic basically thru out her body. She literally went from giving me a bad time the day before over my ratty ponytail to body in shut down seemingly over night. She never had complained that she didn't feel good, not once but that was my mom. I didn't know till I was in my 20's that there was such a thing as a headache or an ear ache...my mom never complained EVER about not feeling well in my life. I never remember her going back to bed not feeling well as a kid, I remember getting up and mom being in the kitchen with an apron and get back home and when we went to bed at night she was in the kitchen with the apron on.
Anyway, she was released to hospice and we took her back to the facility where she had been living since the stroke. The caretakers there had become like family to us also and they took such amazing care of her that last week. Mom was unresponsive, had been since about 4 hours after they got her to the hospital but the caretakers treated her just like always, talked to her in their loving, joking voice as they changed her or changed her bedding and rotated her position in bed. Truly amazing humans. I stayed with momma at night so I could go to work during the day as like I said, she was a mere 1/4 mile from me and my sisters stayed with her during the day.
Thank goodness for these horses of mine this last few weeks, they gave me a reason to get up and keep going. I will miss my mom's voice yelling "Go Nan!!!" at the races but I hope that God will still let me hear it in my head. RIP Jerry L. Schumacher 12/04/29-07/29/15 and thank you God for loaning that woman to this family for all those years, Blessed beyond measure. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Finally got Dave to drag a trotting track around and thru the top section of our place, there are a lot of oak trees up there so its kind of a winding figure 8 of sorts. CC was a little on the muscle after our August break and she doesn't really like "new" things tossed at her as well as she has never really been much of a "trail horse". She prefers the sameness of arena's and circles, LOL!!! We managed to survive it anyway. She is looking good, keeping her weight consistent and being her usual feisty self. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Would like to send prayers out to TackyPaints....her mare is having the same surgery that CC had for bladder stone removal!!! I hope that it goes smoothly and thank you for giving her a this chance!!! CC and I are thinking of both of you <3 |
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Location: Arkansas | run n rate - 2015-09-17 12:45 PM
Would like to send prayers out to TackyPaints....her mare is having the same surgery that CC had for bladder stone removal!!! I hope that it goes smoothly and thank you for giving her a this chance!!! CC and I are thinking of both of you <3
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Would like to send prayers out to TackyPaints....her mare is having the same surgery that CC had for bladder stone removal!!! I hope that it goes smoothly and thank you for giving her a this chance!!! CC and I are thinking of both of you <3
Thank you so so much! For the prayers but also for being there for me to talk to regarding all this. It really helped me get through this to have someone to talk to who knows exactly what I'm going through. Just like your CC, my little mare wanted to still be ridden which I we did lightly. She never fussed or refused. I had to find a way to give her a chance, this little mare means the world to me, and I refuse to give up on her! Waiting to hear back from my vet about scheduling the removal. I will try to remember to post here when I know the date! Thank you again!! <3 <3 |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Haven't heard anything, I PM'd her the other day also. Hope everything went well. I know CC had a hard time coming out of the meds after her surgery was completed. It was a scary 1/2 hour or so. They let me in to see her, everything was good and suddenly she started shivering and her heart rate went thru the roof. They hooked her back up to the IV's to help flush the sedatives, hooked up all the monitors and put her back in the sling. After about 5 minutes of being back on the IV her body calmed back down but we kept her on them for another hour or so. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Talked to her, surgery went well but they had a little set back headed from the surgery room back to the stall, the mare slipped on concrete and injured her hamstring. 90's days stall rest I believe was recommended. Please send prayers out to TACKyPaint and her little mare!!! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | After dealing with CC's surgery I can see where this could happen, so glad CC had a Surgery TEch that on the ball and hooked her back up to the sling ASAP when he saw she was having issues coming out of the meds and the epidural. He waited with us in the OR for a few hours and then helped get her back to her stall once she knew where her feet were but still held on to her tail and directed her hips for her.
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| Thanks so much for giving us the update so glad surgery went well, and what a bummer on the hamstring. If it's not 1 thing it's another with these darn horses. Recovering and coming out of anesthesia is the tricky part half the battle of surgery. Hopefully 90 days recovery like the vet stated aND can keep trucking from there. |
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Location: IL | Hey everybody! Sorry I haven't updated, I was in New York all weekend at a wedding when this happened. I had dropped her off on Thursday for the removal and she was to be picked up on Friday by my mother. Needless to say I was an absolute wreck worrying about her and felt helpless being so far away.
Thank you to run n rate for updating for me! I really appreciate it!! <3
Yes, there was a mishap. She was given an epidural for the procedure and I think she was walked off too soon to be taken back to her stall and she fell. He said her left leg was underneath her when she fell and she tore her hamstring muscle. I was able to haul her home today. I went to the stalls and took photos of the injury as well as pics of all the cuts and scrapes she has from falling. The leg is very very swollen. Mainly on the inside of the left rear leg but there is residual swelling that goes down her leg to her fetlock. She is able to walk on it although her gait is irregular. He is optimistic that she will be sound again but only time will tell. She lost some weight while there. He said that she was not eating well which is very unlike her. I believe he knows that this was a big accident/mistake on their part because he didn't charge me for any of the pain meds or diuretics she was given while there or for the 4 days of "board". He also said he will be calling in a couple weeks to check on her progress.
I posted in another thread looking for therapy options for a torn hamstring and I posted a couple pics of the injury there.
Thank you again to everyone who asked about her and how she was doing. I really appreciate it!! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Praying for you TACKy. I will stay in touch with you and hope to hear good progress reports on your mare. I would continue any diet/supplement changes you have made to try to help keep he from forming another one.
CC and I will be headed to UCD in NOvemeber or December for another 6 month scope of her bladder and then if everything is still clear and the kidney's are still functioning/passing urine then Dr. Katzman feels we can push the next scope out to a year check up date.
Also, glad you didnt' feel like I stepped on toes when I updated, I just knew there were several people asking and wanted to let them know without hurting feelings that your mare made it thru the surgery fine but did have a set back....
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Location: IL | run n rate - 2015-10-07 10:02 AM Praying for you TACKy. I will stay in touch with you and hope to hear good progress reports on your mare. I would continue any diet/supplement changes you have made to try to help keep he from forming another one. CC and I will be headed to UCD in NOvemeber or December for another 6 month scope of her bladder and then if everything is still clear and the kidney's are still functioning/passing urine then Dr. Katzman feels we can push the next scope out to a year check up date. Also, glad you didnt' feel like I stepped on toes when I updated, I just knew there were several people asking and wanted to let them know without hurting feelings that your mare made it thru the surgery fine but did have a set back....
Oh no! I really appreciated you updating everyone. I just had so much on my plate at the moment that it completely slipped my mind. lol
I will be praying for you and CC, that everything will still look good and is functioning well!! <3
Yep, we are going to be making some diet changes as a precaution. He actually caslicked her after they were done flushing her bladder. He actually thinks what may have happened, is due to her swayback, she has "shelf" back there. He thinks she may have gotten fecal matter or some sort of debris into her urethra and it made it's way into the bladder and allowed the calcium something to form a stone on. He said of course that's not 100% but we went ahead and did the caslick as a precaution anyway due to that "shelf" that she has.
Thank you so much! I sure hope I have good progress reports to give! I will breath a sigh of relief when I see the inflammation start coming down. Right now it's pretty shocking to see that leg so big every time I go out to the barn. So there will be LOTS of cold hosing in my future. lol
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Balance Beam and more...
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Oh, forgot to mention too, when CC fractured her Patella I used a lot of Sore NO More poultice on her from the stifle down and the gel linament too, anything with Arnica. Really helps pull soreness out. |
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Location: IL | run n rate - 2015-10-07 4:04 PM Oh, forgot to mention too, when CC fractured her Patella I used a lot of Sore NO More poultice on her from the stifle down and the gel linament too, anything with Arnica. Really helps pull soreness out.
Oh good to know! I was going to look for some poultice tonight. And I know at Big D's they sell Arnica gel, maybe I'll buy some of that to try too! Here's a pic I took of the stone pieces. He saved these to show me and that's not even all of it. People saw it sitting and couldn't believe that had been in her bladder :(.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | They pulled those thru her urethra???? OMG, at least CC's was in a nice neat little bag so the rough edges didnt' rub her...poor mare!!! |
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Location: IL | run n rate - 2015-10-07 4:48 PM They pulled those thru her urethra???? OMG, at least CC's was in a nice neat little bag so the rough edges didnt' rub her...poor mare!!!
Yep they sure did :( |
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Location: Arkansas | TACKyPaints - 2015-10-07 4:10 PM
run n rate - 2015-10-07 4:04 PM Oh, forgot to mention too, when CC fractured her Patella I used a lot of Sore NO More poultice on her from the stifle down and the gel linament too, anything with Arnica. Really helps pull soreness out.
Oh good to know! I was going to look for some poultice tonight. And I know at Big D's they sell Arnica gel, maybe I'll buy some of that to try too! Here's a pic I took of the stone pieces. He saved these to show me and that's not even all of it. People saw it sitting and couldn't believe that had been in her bladder :(.
God bless her heart. . . Once she gets over this hamstring issue she's gonna feel so good she won't know what to do!! |
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Location: Arkansas | Let us know how the trip goes, so hoping for a good report RNR
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Location: 31 lengths farms | You'll see it here first. I read over this whole post about once a month just to remind myself of how lucky CC and I are how the stars aligned and all the prayers that kept us going. I got what I felt was a very meaningful compliment from her vet that did the surgery the other day. He had called, the university is doing reviews and asked for clients names to send review questions out to. Dr. Katzman called to ask if it was okay if he gave them my email address. I said "of course, after all you are the reason she was given this opportunity to survive ", Dr. Katzman said "well thank you, but no, you did that. I was just one of the therapies you used to make it happen for her". What a cool thing to say. |
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Location: IL | run n rate - 2015-10-08 11:18 AM You'll see it here first. I read over this whole post about once a month just to remind myself of how lucky CC and I are how the stars aligned and all the prayers that kept us going. I got what I felt was a very meaningful compliment from her vet that did the surgery the other day. He had called, the university is doing reviews and asked for clients names to send review questions out to. Dr. Katzman called to ask if it was okay if he gave them my email address. I said "of course, after all you are the reason she was given this opportunity to survive ", Dr. Katzman said "well thank you, but no, you did that. I was just one of the therapies you used to make it happen for her". What a cool thing to say.
Wow! That is an amazing compliment! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Made me appreciate him even more. When we got the diagnosis originally of CC's kidney stones and really no hope from western medicine to help her, the only thing I had was a little mare that didnt' look ready to quit and my momma's refusal to give up on things we care about. Went home and started researching and as most of you know with 'alternative" medicine there is no cut and dry answers. There are " you can try this or this or this..." and you just have to decide on a course of action and put your eggs into basket that haven't been made so to speak and adjust from there if need be. All I knew going in was CC had a better chance if I tried something and failed than if I sat home and cried and waited for the day we never want to come. She is not "healed" of her kidney stones though last time we had them checked she had 3 fewer than the original diagnosis showed, the kidneys are still at least functioning which the vets were amazed at. I do not have a lot of money to throw at problems I'm a paycheck to 4 days before paycheck kind of girl (girl, LOL. I'm freakin' 50!) so I had to rely on that gene my mom passed on that refuses to quit or say when and than the God Lord CC has that same gene apparently. I'm also blessed to have found a vet that was ready to kind of listen to my "witch craft" therapy and support us in our journey. |
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Location: Arkansas | run n rate - 2015-10-08 11:18 AM
You'll see it here first. I read over this whole post about once a month just to remind myself of how lucky CC and I are how the stars aligned and all the prayers that kept us going. I got what I felt was a very meaningful compliment from her vet that did the surgery the other day. He had called, the university is doing reviews and asked for clients names to send review questions out to. Dr. Katzman called to ask if it was okay if he gave them my email address. I said "of course, after all you are the reason she was given this opportunity to survive ", Dr. Katzman said "well thank you, but no, you did that. I was just one of the therapies you used to make it happen for her". What a cool thing to say.
A testament to a great horse mom that wouldn't give up---I've been lucky enough to visit with several on here. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Started CC on the Cur-Ost Stomach about a week ago and after talking to Dr. Schell will be changing to Total Support eventually.. Went for a trail ride on Monday night down the creek. CC hates trail riding, she finds no comfort or Zen in bunnies and deer popping out of bushes, she 'd normally much rather lope a circle in "her space" and leave the wild life to do its thing without her. On the way out you normally have to direct her like a 2 year old colt, guide, guide,guide, with legs and hands as any noise is her signal to inhale her head and turn for home at high speed flight. And the ride home is usually kind of like the Belmont and let me tell you she has the lungs and legs to do it. Monday I could have loped some circles around out trotting track but I figured the creek would give me an even better test of where she is and how the Cur-ost was working for her...or not.
Now she didnt' win trail horse of the year by any means, however she walked down the creek without me having to constantly pick her up and guide her, she wasn't looking at every noise as a reason to bolt and head back, and on the way home we were actually able to long trot and lope and little without it turning into a Triple Crown outing and my arms coming out of their sockets. Can't wait to see how she handles with another week on this product :-) |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Okay, so started CC and Tucker on the Total Support about a week and a half ago. Saturday CC and I went to a race, the first one since May and she hasn't seen a barrel since May either, have just been riding in the creek or around the trotting track my fiancé worked up for us. She stood at the trailer quietly, no pawing, for her this is huge. Before at times she would get so worked up she would literally stand and kick both hind feet at the trailer. You normally have to time your warm up and her run or she washes herself out in the warm up pen stressing. If you do happen to get on too early then you are best off getting off and handwalking, there was no such thing as "hanging out" till your turn. I'm sure a lot of that probably had some to do with the bladder stone before we knew about it, but even in May after the stone had been removed she was a little amped up at the trailer and in the warm up.
Anyway, she stood quietly at the trailer, even ate from her hay bag, unheard of. Signed up and saddled her, went and warmed up, loped thru a really nice little time only. I do not normally do time only's on her but she hadn't seen the barrels since May and she isn't the type of horse to look for a barrel, LOL!!! Took her back to the trailer as I had drawn #27, race started at noon and it was still 10:45. Took her boots off and loosened her cinch. Used to just unsaddle her all together so she wouldn't be a foaming wet mess by race time. Hung out with her for a little while just to make sure she was really feeling okay, again, her being quiet at the trailer isn't normal, LOL!!! She was happy munching on her hay and watching horses go by so I took my dog for a walk about. Put her boots back on her as they started to put the barrels on the stakes and work the arena up for the first drag. Trotted her a bit around the pasture/parking lot and then headed to the worked up area in front of the arena at draw number 11. Before this would have been too early, you had to get her there maybe one drag before yours...She was even able to stand and hang out with other horses and just chill. I'd walk her a couple laps every now and then to keep her mind on me, took her in to the arena at the drag before 20 and loped some circles then went back out and just walked her in the warm up area till our turn. She ran the prettiest smoothest pattern I have ever been on on her and her second fastest time in this particular pen ever and that by a mere .02 and that run was back in 2012 before the bladder and kidney stones and she was super fit getting ready for our first Pendleton trip. The kind of run that puts an ear to ear grin on your face no matter the time announced. She went in and worked the pattern on her honor, didnt' have to over handle her. She cooled out nicely, normally I have to take her back to the trailer ad unsaddle her and hand walk her to cool her out, this time was able to ride her for the cool out, then unsaddle her and let her roll and do our maintenance routine.
I'd have to definitely say I felt the benefits that Cur_ost claims for her this weekend. She even drank which is usually a no go with her too. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Rode CC down the creek last night about 5 miles and long trotted about 2 of them on and off on the nice sand bars...I know she is getting more fit but again, just seemed more comfortable in general when we got home, had more air and the quail blowing out of the brush didn't get me lawn darted, she jumped but then went back to walking along on a loose rein. Normally when she reacts she then over reacts to reacting and it becomes a snowball effect. Bi-polar much??? Not since I had her on the Keep Cool 24/7 for 6 months a few years back has she been this level headed but now I have the support to for her stomach with it. Or maybe its that I have the support for her stomach and the level head comes with it...  |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | My gelding had an appt. to recheck the right front abscess area that they drilled out on Oct. 10, see how it was filling in. Vet watched him walk on hard crappy ground and when Tucker passed that as well as trotting circles he almost decided to just leave the pack on there that they had but then curiosity got the best of all of us, LOL!!! The area looks great, refilling nicely, repacked and will then reset him right before Thanksgiving. He has also been on the Total Support from Cur-Ost .
I took CC with me just to get her out and let her hang since for the last 2 years most of her trailer rides have been back and forth to the vet and for exams. She stood relatively quietly in the cross ties while we were busy with Tucker. Dr. Wally was super impressed with how she looked and behaved. Took them home and got my big mare ridden and then the lady I've been trying get back together with for a lesson since the day CC first passed blood called and said she had time if I could get there in the next 1/2 hour, so tossed CC back in the trailer and headed out and took our 2nd lesson that has been a long 1.5 years coming!!!! She was awesome!!!! The instructor was really impressed with how far she has come even though she really liked her that day back in April of 2014, just so much more relaxed and open minded. We worked pretty hard for a little over an hour, mostly the adjustments made were mine. After the lesson I was able to stay on her and walk her out, again, as I've told you normally when I've practice on barrels or ran her I have to get off and unsaddle her to walk her out or she just gets amped up. The motor is still there, the fire is still there but its just has a calm to it now that was missing and hindered her before.
The other thing I forgot to update on is when I spoke to Dr. Schell on the phone with Cur_Ost he was saying that the kidney stones are tied in with the inflammation process. Having a direct link to the digestive tract and poor assimilation of nutrients which leads to accumulations.
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Location: The barn...where else? SW Missouri | I too had the calming, level results when I put my mare on the Total Support. She wasn't dead or sleepy, just calm and focused. Just acted like life is good let's go have fun mom. I was amazed how good she looked after being on it. This is the only product I can honestly say I have seen awesome results after putting my horse on it. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | We will be going to our first 2 day race in many many years in a week, really excited to see how this helps her there too. |
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Location: NE Texas | Makes me so happy! The Cur-OST product has been a miracle for my horse, has almost completely eliminated my need for antihistamines, and has done amazing things for one of my coworkers. It's something i'll never be without and so happy to have found them! |
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Location: North Dakota | So happy to hear about your guys' success! I've been using the Cur-Ost on myself and can not believe the difference in my knees! If I eat sugar my knees would hurt so bad I would cry just trying to stand up from a chair or toilet where I couldn't push myself up with my arms. Cutting out sugar/processed food helped a ton but now with the Cur-Ost my knees are COMPLETELY pain free even if I do eat bad for a couple days! This was after my dr. basically told me there was nothing she could do and nothing was "wrong". I'm only in my 20's and have no reason for my knees to hurt so bad. My back still hurts but I've only gotten one of my super bad neck-to-head aches that I was getting a couple times a month. I'd get them at work and they would hurt so bad I'd leave in tears and spend the whole evening on the couch with heating pads on my neck and ice on my forehead to get rid of the pain. Looking forward to trying the horsey version for Cash to see if it will give him that little extra boost with his KS and allergies.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | So we went to our first 2 day race in a little over 4 years. I hadn't wanted to run her back to back days like that after she fractured the patella and then we had the stone issues and were out for almost 2 years. CC has been on the Total Support from Cur-ost for a little over a month now, took her down on Friday night to do a time only as she has never been in this particular arena before. She was unbelievable. Saturday again, stood quiet at the trailer, ate her hay, totally chill. Warmed up nicely in the big warm up pen with all the multitude of horses going 97 different directions around her. This used to just blow her mind and you'd be in for a little rodeo session and at least one offer to "fight or flight"....
On her run I bobbled my reins some when leaving the first, caused a hitch on the way to the second but she just kept on keeping on. Not the fastest by any means but just a few places out of the checks in the 4D and more importantly a happy healthy mare afterwards. Though my competitiveness got the best of me the next day and lost my mind, instead of sticking with the plan of just putting clean runs together my inner LETS DO THIS personality decided to "win the whole dang thing" and spanked her headed to the first, she grabbed a few new gears and if you know me I'm the worlds biggest chicken headed to the first, I'm one of those win the 12D to the first and then kick and hustle to win it the rest of the way. So needless to say I froze up, hauled on her head and pulled her around, ending up on the entry side of the 1st barrel, me thinking "how the he** did you do that???" and CC thinking "Okay, I did what you said, can I take it from here please???"
So yep, highs and lows of the weekend but I'm just super proud of her, how she handled herself, how she dealt with the crazies in the warm up pen...she used to be THAT horse, LOL! And more importantly thankful to God for this little Warrior of mine, she has taught me so much about as long as you keep trying you ain't done. In fact the 20th is her Surgery Success Anniversary!!!! can't believe it has been almost exactly a year |
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Location: Arkansas | I am so doing somersaults and standing on my head for you and your kids. (In my head and heart of course!!) I love hearing the Cur-ost success stories on here. It's just great when something does what it says and helps our partners feel better. Keep reporting on CC and Tucker and the great things y'all are accomplishing. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I can't believe the difference in my big mare in a month...a month ago I was too embarrassed of how she looked to take a picture of her. Her weight was good but her hair coat looked horrible and she just looked unloved and forgotten. After I started CC and Tucker on the Total Support I still had the Stomach and Green from when I had ordered before I talked to Dr. Schell so I figured I'd use it on Poopie as she was needing something but I just wasn't sure what and or why....She has been on it for about a month now and the other day when I pulled the blanket off my fiancé was like "Wow! She looks really really good!!! " He never comments on them, he'd kind of prefer to ignore that we have horses, as he can imagine all the vacations and things we'd own if we didnt' have horses, LOL!!!
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Location: NE Texas | I'm so thrilled for you and am tickled Ms. CC is doing well and thriving, as well as your other kiddos. You're so right....it ain't over until we say it's over and I truly am so thankful we have found the Cur-OST product and Dr. Schell. He has helped so many of us when it seemed there was no hope. My horse is also a different horse emotionally than he used to be, as well as physically of course. Smokingirlie's mare looks RIDICULOUS too and I can't wait to hear about another who is almost a week in for breathing issues.
Thank you for sharing CC's journey with us and please continue to do so. She is a warrior and your posts always make me smile!
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Location: 31 lengths farms | After talking to Dr. Schell I'm hoping the maybe by spring we can think about switching CC back over to an alfalfa mix hay. Need to have her check up in December have her BUN and Creatitine levels checked. Dr. Schell said it is easy to blame the Alfalfa based diets because of the calcium but that stones can be from improper digestion that causes accumulation issues. If we can get her digestion leveled out it could help the accumulation end of the spectrum and should could possibly return to some Alfalfa in her diet. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Not the best picture ever, my hand and elbow I'm going to have to have surgically have put in the "barrel racing position" but look at our little red headed step child!!!
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Location: 31 lengths farms | She is so darn cute it makes me want to run home and hug her...again!!! |
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Location: NE Texas | run n rate - 2015-11-18 12:25 PM She is so darn cute it makes me want to run home and hug her...again!!!
I say we all go home and hug our pony....it's actually not raining here today and the sunshine feels wonderful! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Good idea Herbie! And now I see why she flipped her head up some leaving the 1st, my hand isn't down my rein enough and my outside rein is tight...
So in love with little mare<3 and it's 1 year ago today that we got the good news on the ultrasounds that the vets were willing to go thru with the surgery:) |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Thanks Three C's...give that boy of ours an extra hug from CC and I tonight please. Praying for you. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | And today is the one year anniversary of having the stone removed!!!
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Wanted to share a photo a friend edited for me of the pics from the race...
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Hopefully this weather clears a little the next few days so I can get some ride time or will be skipping the New Year's race darn it, but I will not run any of my horses coming off a lay off for any reason, even weather. |
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Location: NE Texas | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-12-22 12:54 PM i can't see the pictures :( facebook is blocked on my work computer booooooo
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Herbie - 2015-12-22 1:01 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-12-22 12:54 PM i can't see the pictures :( facebook is blocked on my work computer booooooo Mine too! :( BLAH!!!!!
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Location: NE Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-22 1:03 PM Herbie - 2015-12-22 1:01 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-12-22 12:54 PM i can't see the pictures :( facebook is blocked on my work computer booooooo Mine too! :( BLAH!!!!!
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Location: 31 lengths farms | LOL!!! Give a Rebel Yell girl!!!
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Location: 31 lengths farms | So could use some prayers. CC was acting colicky yesterday afternoon, pawed and kicked at her belly a few times, her gut noises were not strong, though her refill time was good and her gums were nice and pink. I gave her a dose of Immediate Response, banamine and an electrolyte paste and tied her up for about 15 minutes to watch her while I unloaded hay. I then walked her for about 15 minutes and checked gut noises and respiratory again, gut noises were much better but respiratory was still a little high. Hung out with her for another half hour and her respiratory had come down to normal. That was at around 5:30 pm, checked on her several times before bed, she seemed to be feeling much better and then when I checked on her at 1 am I finally found some fresh poop piles and she was interested in eating a little. Another fresh pile this morning so fed her lightly and then at noon she had another fresh pile of poop and about attacked me for carrots. I gave her another dose of Immediate REsponse and some electrolytes.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | run n rate - 2016-01-04 4:39 PM So could use some prayers. CC was acting colicky yesterday afternoon, pawed and kicked at her belly a few times, her gut noises were not strong, though her refill time was good and her gums were nice and pink. I gave her a dose of Immediate Response, banamine and an electrolyte paste and tied her up for about 15 minutes to watch her while I unloaded hay. I then walked her for about 15 minutes and checked gut noises and respiratory again, gut noises were much better but respiratory was still a little high. Hung out with her for another half hour and her respiratory had come down to normal. That was at around 5:30 pm, checked on her several times before bed, she seemed to be feeling much better and then when I checked on her at 1 am I finally found some fresh poop piles and she was interested in eating a little. Another fresh pile this morning so fed her lightly and then at noon she had another fresh pile of poop and about attacked me for carrots. I gave her another dose of Immediate REsponse and some electrolytes. I just know with her kidney issues that we are not totally out of the woods yet....Prayers for my girl would be appreciated.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | She was doing well last night, attacked me for carrots, gave her just enough oats to put her Cur_ost and kidney herbs in, which she ate promptly and then dug into her hay. Checked on her again at @9pm last night, seemed comfortable and had eaten her hay. We are getting hammered with rain now, she ate her carrots this morning again with gusto but didn't seem too interested in her hay. Will be going home at noon again to check on her, thank you for your prayers everyone, please keep them coming. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Went home at lunch...she had eaten all of her hay from this morning, attacked me for carrots. Checked respiratory rate and gums, both looked good, gave her small flake of hay which she went to eating on and was still eating when I pulled out. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | run n rate - 2016-01-05 3:55 PM Went home at lunch...she had eaten all of her hay from this morning, attacked me for carrots. Checked respiratory rate and gums, both looked good, gave her small flake of hay which she went to eating on and was still eating when I pulled out.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Yes, nice to see her eye full of her usual "moxie", hoping this means we are on the safe side of things but will keep a close eye on her for sure for the next week or so with her other issues.
Anyone know the rain dance? Could you do it in reverse for me please? We are getting hammered and creeks are flooding. |
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Location: Arkansas | run n rate - 2016-01-05 4:51 PM
Yes, nice to see her eye full of her usual "moxie", hoping this means we are on the safe side of things but will keep a close eye on her for sure for the next week or so with her other issues.
Anyone know the rain dance? Could you do it in reverse for me please? We are getting hammered and creeks are flooding.
We don't have rain right now but the MS River levee closest to us is literally sliding down like icing on a warm cake. I've never seen anything like it in my life, and I've seen high water, and sand boils, and "bad spots" on this levee my whole life. It hasn't crested yet, and I'm very scared. . . .
Back to Miss CC---so glad she's perky again and feeling like herself. I'll say another little prayer for her tonight. . . . |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2016-01-05 8:06 PM
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Yes, nice to see her eye full of her usual "moxie", hoping this means we are on the safe side of things but will keep a close eye on her for sure for the next week or so with her other issues.
Anyone know the rain dance? Could you do it in reverse for me please? We are getting hammered and creeks are flooding.
We don't have rain right now but the MS River levee closest to us is literally sliding down like icing on a warm cake. I've never seen anything like it in my life, and I've seen high water, and sand boils, and "bad spots" on this levee my whole life. It hasn't crested yet, and I'm very scared. . . .
Back to Miss CC---so glad she's perky again and feeling like herself. I'll say another little prayer for her tonight. . . .
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Location: Arkansas | Southtxponygirl - 2016-01-05 8:15 PM
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run n rate - 2016-01-05 4:51 PM
Yes, nice to see her eye full of her usual "moxie", hoping this means we are on the safe side of things but will keep a close eye on her for sure for the next week or so with her other issues.
Anyone know the rain dance? Could you do it in reverse for me please? We are getting hammered and creeks are flooding.
We don't have rain right now but the MS River levee closest to us is literally sliding down like icing on a warm cake. I've never seen anything like it in my life, and I've seen high water, and sand boils, and "bad spots" on this levee my whole life. It hasn't crested yet, and I'm very scared. . . .
Back to Miss CC---so glad she's perky again and feeling like herself. I'll say another little prayer for her tonight. . . .
Hugs to you Chandlers mom, wish I could do something for you
Thank you so much---getting a plan of action to get my horses to higher ground, but praying the good Lord holds that water where it's supposed to be!! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Chandler's Mom, I've seen the video, this is crazy for this time of year for you guys too isn't it? Dont' you guys usually get the flooding in the spring when ice starts to break up? Praying for you...too bad my momma weren't still here, she actually tried to do the rain dance in reverse for me one time when I was whining one day about the rain..20 minutes later it actually gave us a break for a few hours, LOL!!! |
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Location: Arkansas | run n rate - 2016-01-06 11:32 AM
Chandler's Mom, I've seen the video, this is crazy for this time of year for you guys too isn't it? Dont' you guys usually get the flooding in the spring when ice starts to break up? Praying for you...too bad my momma weren't still here, she actually tried to do the rain dance in reverse for me one time when I was whining one day about the rain..20 minutes later it actually gave us a break for a few hours, LOL!!!
That's too funny---I can just picture it! Yes, usually it's spring when this happens. It seems like it's more frequent now too. I wish I could post the pictures Chandler took from the levee; it was surreal. I appreciate the thoughts and prayers so much.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Checking in on you Chandler's Mom... How's things?
And as for CC, we seem to have gotten her little red ship back on track. Thanks for the prayers everyone!!! I also doubled up on her kidney herbs for a week and that also seemed to get her back on track. |
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Location: Arkansas | run n rate - 2016-01-09 11:32 AM
Checking in on you Chandler's Mom... How's things?
And as for CC, we seem to have gotten her little red ship back on track. Thanks for the prayers everyone!!! I also doubled up on her kidney herbs for a week and that also seemed to get her back on track.
Good news for your girl
We got about 2 inches overnight, but things are still holding. We've got off and on cold and mostly sunshine predicted for the next week or so; praying the water level will go down and stay down. Thanks so much for asking. How about your weather situation? |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | We got a nice break Friday, which was welcomed. Rained again slightly yesterday but the ground is so saturated it might as well have been several inches:-/ red clay only can absorb so much. But we had another break today with some actual sun too.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | We got her over the little colic hump, the lady I get her herbs from was out of the kidney herb and then the distributor failed to get it shipped out in a timely manner to her so we had been without the herbs for a little over a week when CC had shown the colic signs. Note to self, order early before you only have a weeks worth of herbs left. Double dosed her this month on the herbs, cut out the Stable Mix that had been recommended and put her back on the Timothy Grass pellets, and her weight has resolved itself. Note to self, if it aint' broke, maybe you dont' need to fix it, LOL!! We have gotten a crazy amount of rain in January for our area, with red clay it became a quagmire and hadn't been able to ride. Finally last Saturday it had dried out enough on the hilly section to walk and trot some, she was happy to get out and do her thing, Sunday the wind blew at 45 mph so skipped riding that day but the wind did help to dry things out a bit more and have enough daylight now after I get off work that I got home last night, got a short ride in on her and still was able to feed with just enough daylight I didnt' need my headlamp until the very end.
So thankful for ENC kidney herbs, ACV, and Cur-ost!!! Hopefully with more daylight hours we will be able to hit a few races in a week or two and then get after come March. |
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Location: Arkansas | run n rate - 2016-02-03 12:58 PM
We got her over the little colic hump, the lady I get her herbs from was out of the kidney herb and then the distributor failed to get it shipped out in a timely manner to her so we had been without the herbs for a little over a week when CC had shown the colic signs. Note to self, order early before you only have a weeks worth of herbs left. Double dosed her this month on the herbs, cut out the Stable Mix that had been recommended and put her back on the Timothy Grass pellets, and her weight has resolved itself. Note to self, if it aint' broke, maybe you dont' need to fix it, LOL!! We have gotten a crazy amount of rain in January for our area, with red clay it became a quagmire and hadn't been able to ride. Finally last Saturday it had dried out enough on the hilly section to walk and trot some, she was happy to get out and do her thing, Sunday the wind blew at 45 mph so skipped riding that day but the wind did help to dry things out a bit more and have enough daylight now after I get off work that I got home last night, got a short ride in on her and still was able to feed with just enough daylight I didnt' need my headlamp until the very end.
So thankful for ENC kidney herbs, ACV, and Cur-ost!!! Hopefully with more daylight hours we will be able to hit a few races in a week or two and then get after come March.
So glad you and CC are drying out and doing well! Let us know how things go when y'all start hitting the runs. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Hopefull get some video...this time of a run I dont' send her by the first a few blocks, LOL!! Note to self, she is a free runner, you might have to actually ride the mare into and around the turn!!!
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Location: 31 lengths farms | We hauled to ride today, it had rained again on Sunday and Monday so our ground was a swamp again. Hauled my gelding and CC to an indoor pen, had several peope comment on how good they looked, hair coat, etc. I had almost forgotten how hard she is to stay with long trotting however, total workout!
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Hauled to a gymkhana on Saturday with CC and Tucker. CC has always just been a Hawt mess at gymkhanas, to the point I quit going to them because they just frazzled her, why were there poles in the middle of barrels and why were the barrels not where they belonged???? Saturday she actually was able to run and allowed me to guide her in the events and by the 3rd event started to look for whatever the next obstacle might be. I made sure to offer her water often to keep her hydrated thru the day. She got a litte worried at the trailer the first time I took off on Tucker, but figured it out quickly and settled in. She ended up reserve high point for the day and ran the 3rd fastest time of the day in barrels. Today I handwalked her and Bioscanned everyone. So amazing to look at how far she has come in the last year<3 |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | So after a comment by Herbie on another post about Total Support being a better choice for easy keepers I have recently changed CC to the EQ plus by Cur-ost. I had been having a little trouble keeping weight on her, she is a lean horse to start with, her appetite has always been linked to how much you ride her. I was thinking maybe we were starting to see some of the effects with the stones but her urine has stayed yellow and she has seemed like herself in every other way, just a slight weight dip. Switched to the EQ about 2 weeks ago and noticed last night her cinch had to be let out a hole. Had also taken a lesson on Saturday, more because I know at 51 I 'm not the rider I used to be or more appropriately the athlete I used to be, can't ever really say I was an outstanding rider. Just tried to be aware and my natural balance from gymnastics helped a lot with being able to get where I needed to be in a turn. I quit running about a year ago as my back and hips were really giving me problems from it to the point I would go home and not ride because they were cramping so badly.
Anyway, at the lesson I got my butt worked off, legs are still sore today as a matter of fact. Some other ladies were there too waiting for their turn, 1 of them says "I've never seen a horse glide like she does.." The lady I was taking the lesson from says "I've seen a couple, but they are far and few between". Now the momma needs to step up her game!!! |
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Team CC... I like it!!!
I love hearing the uplifting updates on CC! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | You all will never know how much it means to me that you bother to still read updates on our girl:) Thank you from the bottoms of our hearts... Mine and CC's, and as you know that one not only has the large heart Gene but a truly large heart:) |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Just headed to a little gymkhana this weekend with Tucker and CC. I always used to use the gymkhana's as a way to get them seasoned and learn to look for the next obstacle. Never really worked out for CC, she could not for the life of her figure out why there were poles in the middle of some barrels (Big T) or why the barrels were not in the correct pattern, frazzled her to say the least to the point by the time they ran barrels usually at the end of the day she would be having a good old tizzy fit and her barrel pattern would be off kilter. Gave the gymkhana's up on her because trying to get her to understand that sometimes we run by the barrel (speed barrels) and sometimes we turn it gave her more anxiety than her brain was able to handle.
We had gone to a gymkhana for the first time in almost 6 years in early April, she handled things really well, I was able to actually run and direct and handle her. This weekend you would have thought she'd been running the events her whole life, actually out ran Tucker in 2 of them and was again Reserve Hi-point for the day with Tucker winning Hi-point. I think between the bladder stone being gone and the Cur-ost her brain can actually function at the rate her little high performance engine body goes. Only took 6 years, LOL!!! |
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Location: NE Texas | That makes my heart smile, run n rate! So happy for you and for CC both. Ricky and I just wish we could haul with you two....and Tucker, of course. :)  |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | So glad I happened on that post too Herbie, it has made a good difference in her switching to the EQ rather than the Total Support, she is much more CC with out the total Bi-polar tendencies. Manic without the depressive, LOL!!! |
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Location: Arkansas | run n rate - 2016-07-11 1:43 PM
Just headed to a little gymkhana this weekend with Tucker and CC. I always used to use the gymkhana's as a way to get them seasoned and learn to look for the next obstacle. Never really worked out for CC, she could not for the life of her figure out why there were poles in the middle of some barrels (Big T) or why the barrels were not in the correct pattern, frazzled her to say the least to the point by the time they ran barrels usually at the end of the day she would be having a good old tizzy fit and her barrel pattern would be off kilter. Gave the gymkhana's up on her because trying to get her to understand that sometimes we run by the barrel (speed barrels) and sometimes we turn it gave her more anxiety than her brain was able to handle.
We had gone to a gymkhana for the first time in almost 6 years in early April, she handled things really well, I was able to actually run and direct and handle her. This weekend you would have thought she'd been running the events her whole life, actually out ran Tucker in 2 of them and was again Reserve Hi-point for the day with Tucker winning Hi-point. I think between the bladder stone being gone and the Cur-ost her brain can actually function at the rate her little high performance engine body goes. Only took 6 years, LOL!!!
It always gives me warm fuzzies reading your good news updates on CC
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Location: 31 lengths farms | readytorodeo - 2016-07-13 3:28 AM
Love CC. You are awesome. Not many would have done what you did and stood by thatblittle mare.
Forgive me if I get totally "weird" on everyone but I'm one of those kids that never felt like the quite fit in this world. From a young age I felt like I was an "imposter" if you will. Was a HS cheerleader, hated every minute of it other than I loved watching football and actually helped coach my dad's Pop Warner teams as a conditioning coach starting in 8th grade, LOL!!! My horses were the only place that I felt like I was okay, that I didn't have to be one of the "cool" kids. My Junior year I got kicked off the cheerleading team for being on the HS rodeo team, LOL, I had been a member of the rodeo team all 3 years, guess they just figured it out. Got called into the principals office and asked why I missed the game, due to some family stuff mom had pulled me out of school early, I went with her instead of to the game. The next day I had a HS rodeo, for the life of me I couldn't convince the principal that I had missed the game for family not rodeo and got booted from the team. Actually he said "If you want to be on this cheer team you need to quit rodeo, it isn't the image we are trying to portray with our young ladies"...Funny as heck since we lived in a total hick town. I didnt' earn too many points when I told him that A) I'd never been into the principals office before EVER because I was too busy keeping my grades up to rodeo and B) maybe I should be out drinking and partying with the other cheerleaders after the game instead of going home to take care of my horses...seeing as that must be the image he wanted to portray. He was stunned that my decision was to turn in my uniform, I laughed and said "Mr. X, in 20 years cheerleading won't even be a thing for me but my horses will, if this is a decision you are insisting I make then I choose my horses." Little did I know that 30 years later my horses were the thing that got me out of bed everyday no matter what was going on in life. Caretaking for my mom left me pretty depressed and isolated, there were days I got up because I had to take care of mom but the reason I could, the reason I could face the day are those 3 red horses in the pasture. They were my "someday". Someday it was going to be better, someday we were gong to get to go to races and shows, someday I'd figure CC out and her talent would finally be realized. Someday Dave and I would get to put ourselves first. Those 3 horse kept me alive in some dark days. You take care of the things that keep you afloat in times like that, whether they are perfect or talented or half crazy. They were and are my lifeline to having got to Someday. |
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Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere | I love that you have shared this with us! I definitely know "Someday" all too well....."Someday" I will get back in the arena too and me and my pony will show everyone our "Someday" has arrived!
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Location: Arkansas | run n rate - 2016-07-12 12:46 PM
I remember my mom telling some one when they asked how she did everything (she raised 6 kids and 4 foster kids basically on her own as my dad was stationed over seas basically from the Korean War thru the end of Vietnam with short trips home between) and she said "you just put your feet on the floor every morning". That's what these horses do for us, make it possible to put our feet on the floor and hold on till that someday comes.
I've said it before and will again---she is a blessed mare to have you as her momma. But she repays you in spades---these horses give as much or more to us as we do them. I'm so glad God gave y'all to each other, and that you had your momma's strength in you to carry on her legacy. . . . Many hugs to you and CC |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | We could use some prayers...After riding last night CC urinated very thick nasty almost mucus and then kept posturing to urinate afterwards. I had nothing in my hand available to catch what she urinated to grab a sample for the vet. My vet is off today, spoke to him and sent him a picture of the goo she passed, he felt without being able to test it that she more than likely has a UTI. His best recommendation without being able to see her was to put her on antibiotics, then Monday bring her in to have her bladder flushed and checked. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Thank you...looking back this is really our first big set back and I should feel blessed but I'm sick to my stomach. This is disgusting but I ran my fingers thru the goo last night so I could at least tell him what it felt like, no grit to it, seriously felt like yogurt or mucus. Tuesday when I rode there was no signs of anything.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Yes, its been 105+ for the last 10 days until yesterday thank goodness. Talking to a few people about kidney's apparently electrolytes are a catch 22, some of them have too much sugars in them and I had her on electrolytes for the last few weeks due to the extreme heat. |
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Location: Arkansas | Sending up many prayers right now for you and our precious CC. Expecting good news Monday |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Rode Tucker and Poopie Girl early this morning, CC was not happy about being left out. I grabbed her halter and she jogged to the gate, stuffed her head in and then drugs thru the gate. Little confused as to why we didn't stop at the trailer to be saddled, I lead her up our driveway and around the worked up area a few times. I was hugging and puffing trying to stay up with her, which is nothing new. Seems to behaving like her normal self. Running blood tests on Monday. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Actually I pulled her off everything but her ENC herbs and vinagar about a month ago. I was out of town for a week and tried to simplify things for my fiancé while I was gone. CC actually gained weight so I decided that was the diet I had her on when we first found the stones and she did well. Thought maybe I was just over complicated things and asking too much of her systems.
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Location: OH. IO | Do you have her on or have you looked at the benefits of lysine?Just wondering cause I can't remember. |
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Balance Beam and more...
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Location: 31 lengths farms | No Jake16 I do not...when we first found out about the kidney stones there was so little info I could find other than the prognosis isnt' very good, it was why we went with the herbs, it was the only thing I could find that gave us any hope at all. Even the vets didn't seem to have much info other than "this is how they should function and this is how her's are functioning" , no medicines or supplements other than diet suggestions which basically were "no alfalfa, no beet pulp, watch protein levels in feeds". What specifically does the Lysine help with? CC has an appointment this afternoon, praying this is just a slight set back, she has continued to be herself all weekend, trotting around her pasture and trying to stomp my dog when she decided that Paisley was too close to her feed bucket. Her heart rate, pulse and capilary refill was good.
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Location: OH. IO | run n rate - 2016-08-08 12:56 PM
No Jake16 I do not...when we first found out about the kidney stones there was so little info I could find other than the prognosis isnt' very good, it was why we went with the herbs, it was the only thing I could find that gave us any hope at all. Even the vets didn't seem to have much info other than "this is how they should function and this is how her's are functioning" , no medicines or supplements other than diet suggestions which basically were "no alfalfa, no beet pulp, watch protein levels in feeds". What specifically does the Lysine help with? CC has an appointment this afternoon, praying this is just a slight set back, she has continued to be herself all weekend, trotting around her pasture and trying to stomp my dog when she decided that Paisley was too close to her feed bucket. Her heart rate, pulse and capilary refill was good.
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Location: OH. IO |
Location: OH. IO | In my opinion it would hurt her more.just wanted to be sure she wasn't on it.sorry.posting from my phone so apparently it didn't post the first time.good luck and keep us posted;) |
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Balance Beam and more...
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Gotcha :-) Thanks for the heads up!
So the bad news is we still aren't sure what is going on with her, waiting on a urinalysis, that result should be in tomorrow. Also that there is some blood in the urine.
The good news is her bladder ultrasound and palpated clean, and her blood work all came back within the norms. I dont'have her paper work in front of me but her Creatine (sp) and BUNN or whatever the exact letters for that one are were well with in the norms, every single thing except what is the one that measure pancreas, that came back low. I needed to get her home and get back to work, I will grab her paperwork tonight and have those numbers tomorrow so give factual numbers and not "with in norm" as an answer. |
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