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Location: Sperry, OK | Okay, I am going to bite the bullet and ask for an honest (no bashing the other one) comparison as to why you think your ulcer supplement is better. I need to know cost per month for treatment and cost per month for maintenance, along with your pitch to try to get me to buy. I am a complete believer in Ulcergard and the need to use it, but am in a money crunch right now .. but have to do something for ulcers... and GO!
   
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 Namesless in BHW
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | This could get interesting! 
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Tough Patooty
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Location: Sperry, OK | total performance - 2014-10-21 12:38 PM This could get interesting!
They better play nice! LOL! 
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Location: IL | Following...I can't wait to read the response!! |
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The Advice Guru
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| I suggest messaging BOB, and Douglas individually and privately. These two would be the experts on their product, then you can choose the route you want to go |
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I am a Freak
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Location: Nowhere Special | I hope they both answer I am in the same boat and need to get something ASAP. I already use THE but would like to get information on Douglas product as well. I have never had to treat for ulcers before so this could be very benificial |
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| I recently ordered a bunch for $140 plus shipping from Dr. Ford. Its in a tube form, easy to administer, and has a buffering agent that is generic but comparable to ulcer guard's patented carrier system. I used OTC but i don't feel my gelding got all treatments bc it was hard to administer and time. He was showing symptoms of ulcers and now he is not...so I'm assuming it worked. |
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Tough Patooty
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Location: Sperry, OK | astreakinchic - 2014-10-21 1:03 PM I recently ordered a bunch for $140 plus shipping from Dr. Ford. Its in a tube form, easy to administer, and has a buffering agent that is generic but comparable to ulcer guard's patented carrier system. I used OTC but i don't feel my gelding got all treatments bc it was hard to administer and time. He was showing symptoms of ulcers and now he is not...so I'm assuming it worked.
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 BHW's Lance Armstrong 
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | I know absolutley nothing about THE and I do not know the rep. I am a firm believer in my own products and do not bash others. Only bash Compounders for Bute Powder, LOL... It is kind of like this. In a race, I never look back. I can only concentrate on what I am doing. I don't worry about the competition.
Omeprazole is a proven healer of ulcers at the correct concentration leavel per day. 2.28 grams per day.
UlcerCure OTC also has Calcium Carbonate (Tums) to buffer acid to help ulcer heal.
Aspartame so it will taste good. Treating is very easy.
Treating for ulcers is 1 scoop per day of the 20cc scoop. $3 per day
Treating for maintenance is 1/2-1 scoop per day of the 10cc scoop. Depending on the horse. So that is either .75-$1.50 per day for maintenance.
I have had clients have their horses scooped before and after with the ulcers totally healed.
Most clients suspect ulcers but don't know for sure and just run a treatment.
If your horse has ulcers, and UlcerCure OTC doesn't heal them it is a 100% money back guarantee! Probably the best answer about the success of my product would come from the people that have used it from BHW.
With that said, UlcerCure OTC doesn't solve bad behavior. I have only had to return money once because the woman didn't know if her horse had ulcers or not and during the treatment she wasn't seeing any improvement in her horses behavior and wanted her money back so I returned it.
UlcerCure OTC doesn't guarantee your horse will do back flips after a treatment!
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| Doug, does your supplement come packaged in drag from the thrift store? That is how you know which product is which. Just kidding!! Or if one spends more do you send firecrackers?  |
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BHW's Lance Armstrong
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | I will answer any questions anyone wants to ask. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | cheryl makofka - 2014-10-21 11:51 AM
I suggest messaging BOB, and Douglas individually and privately. These two would be the experts on their product, then you can choose the route you want to go
I agree with this. Bob knows the ins and outs of his products. I am a believer because I have used them and have seen results. I know Bob has studies done that include vets and some of the top trainers in the business. GastroPLUS produces results on front and hind gut ulcers. I have heard hind gut are rare, but it is nice to know they are being taken care of. I'll show this to Bob and see if he can give you all the details of his great ulcer supplements. |
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-10-21 1:59 PM
I will answer any questions anyone wants to ask.
Ok real question, is there side effects in horses from long term use of omperazole type products? I have been on the stuff and had a few issues myself. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | rowdy256 - 2014-10-21 2:01 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-10-21 1:59 PM I will answer any questions anyone wants to ask. Ok real question, is there side effects in horses from long term use of omperazole type products? I have been on the stuff and had a few issues myself.
It is not good to dose a horse for long periods of time with ulcer treatment level. They need to be cycled on and off. No product of any kind should be used for long periods of time. |
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Tough Patooty
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Location: Sperry, OK | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-10-21 1:54 PM I know absolutley nothing about THE and I do not know the rep. I am a firm believer in my own products and do not bash others. Only bash Compounders for Bute Powder, LOL... It is kind of like this. In a race, I never look back. I can only concentrate on what I am doing. I don't worry about the competition.
Omeprazole is a proven healer of ulcers at the correct concentration leavel per day. 2.28 grams per day.
UlcerCure OTC also has Calcium Carbonate (Tums) to buffer acid to help ulcer heal.
Aspartame so it will taste good. Treating is very easy.
Treating for ulcers is 1 scoop per day of the 20cc scoop. $3 per day
Treating for maintenance is 1/2-1 scoop per day of the 10cc scoop. Depending on the horse. So that is either .75-$1.50 per day for maintenance.
I have had clients have their horses scooped before and after with the ulcers totally healed.
Most clients suspect ulcers but don't know for sure and just run a treatment.
If your horse has ulcers, and UlcerCure OTC doesn't heal them it is a 100% money back guarantee! Probably the best answer about the success of my product would come from the people that have used it from BHW.
With that said, UlcerCure OTC doesn't solve bad behavior. I have only had to return money once because the woman didn't know if her horse had ulcers or not and during the treatment she wasn't seeing any improvement in her horses behavior and wanted her money back so I returned it.
UlcerCure OTC doesn't guarantee your horse will do back flips after a treatment!
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | i have used ulcercure otc and it worked, i do use a chunk of hose to administer it though.....waaayyy easier....
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Tough Patooty
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Location: Sperry, OK | mruggles - 2014-10-21 2:16 PM i have used ulcercure otc and it worked, i do use a chunk of hose to administer it though.....waaayyy easier....
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-10-21 2:12 PM
rowdy256 - 2014-10-21 2:01 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-10-21 1:59 PM I will answer any questions anyone wants to ask. Ok real question, is there side effects in horses from long term use of omperazole type products? I have been on the stuff and had a few issues myself.
Cool, that is what I thought. Thank you!  |
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Good Grief!
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-22 1:18 PM mruggles - 2014-10-21 2:16 PM i have used ulcercure otc and it worked, i do use a chunk of hose to administer it though.....waaayyy easier....
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yes maam.....its about a foot or so...it has to be sturdy, i use a chunk of garden hose.....i use it for any and all powder meds....i stick a funnel on the one end dump in the meds and stick an end in the horses mouth and blow on the other......
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Location: IL | So you have to give the OTC orally? Like a syringe of does it come in a paste like wormer? |
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BHW's Lance Armstrong
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Scoop, you add it to a small hand full of grain and feed it like a snack. Add a little water to the grain so the powder will stick. |
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Tough Patooty
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Location: Sperry, OK | mruggles - 2014-10-21 2:22 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-22 1:18 PM mruggles - 2014-10-21 2:16 PM i have used ulcercure otc and it worked, i do use a chunk of hose to administer it though.....waaayyy easier....
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Location: IL | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-10-21 2:26 PM Scoop, you add it to a small hand full of grain and feed it like a snack. Add a little water to the grain so the powder will stick.
Ok so like a top dressing on feed? It contains the same amont of omeparzole as the paste? Do you still treat once a day for 28 days? |
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Good Grief!
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-22 1:29 PM mruggles - 2014-10-21 2:22 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-22 1:18 PM mruggles - 2014-10-21 2:16 PM i have used ulcercure otc and it worked, i do use a chunk of hose to administer it though.....waaayyy easier....
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its not its fast, and the big syringes leave a lot in the tip.........i have used this method for a few years now and always had good success with no wasted meds...
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Location: Missouri | I used OTC (after trying many other products with no improvement) and after 1 month my gelding looked and felt 100x better!!!! he was eating, his poo didn't smell uclery, he gained weight and lost belly, gate issue went away and he went back to winning instead of placing! I highly reccommend. |
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The Calm before the Storm
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Location: Missouri | I still proudly wear my Ulcer cure OTC shirt at rodeos :)!! I actually need to order some for the mare I'm running now. |
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Tough Patooty
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Location: Sperry, OK | Vegas By Storm - 2014-10-21 3:12 PM I still proudly wear my Ulcer cure OTC shirt at rodeos :)!! I actually need to order some for the mare I'm running now.
DJG.. do we get shirts if we order products? This might be the deciding factor.. LOL!  |
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Namesless in BHW
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-21 3:15 PM Vegas By Storm - 2014-10-21 3:12 PM I still proudly wear my Ulcer cure OTC shirt at rodeos :)!! I actually need to order some for the mare I'm running now. DJG.. do we get shirts if we order products? This might be the deciding factor.. LOL!
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BHW's Lance Armstrong
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | merdth6 - 2014-10-21 2:32 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-10-21 2:26 PM Scoop, you add it to a small hand full of grain and feed it like a snack. Add a little water to the grain so the powder will stick. Ok so like a top dressing on feed? It contains the same amont of omeparzole as the paste? Do you still treat once a day for 28 days?
Yes same as paste for ulcers and once a day. Container contains 2 extra days of powder. |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | This is a from some of the professionals at Total Health, I just received this in an email to better explain GastroPLUS.
What makes T.H.E. unique is that we think outside of the box with all of our products. GastroPLUS specifically works completely differently than other ulcer products. Most ulcer products reduce the acid in the stomach. Even though that is what causes ulcers it is not the main issue at hand. Sometimes when you reduce the acid your horse can get protein entropy or when you take them off the horse over produces the acid and the ulcers come back worse therefore creating a vicious cycle. Our product increases the mucus lining in the horses stomach therefore helping the horse to contain and control the acid. Also our product is a complete supplement therefore it is not just for ulcers. It is also for digestive functioning and has the amino acids, vitamins and minerals your horse would need to stay healthy. My increasing mucus throughout the whole gestational track it enables us to be able to reach the hind gut. GastroPLUS is also go for horses with gestational issues such as diarrhea or a soft stool. It is safe to use long term. Most of the racehorses on our products get GastroPLUS daily at the racetrack.
I also have several scope pictures to show before and afters. pm me emails and I will forward away, just don't be eating a sammich while you look at them  |
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BHW's Lance Armstrong
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-21 3:15 PM Vegas By Storm - 2014-10-21 3:12 PM I still proudly wear my Ulcer cure OTC shirt at rodeos :)!! I actually need to order some for the mare I'm running now. DJG.. do we get shirts if we order products? This might be the deciding factor.. LOL!
I think I have some XL shitrs left. I try to guess which size will be popular and being a guy i always order the wrong amount of sizes, LOL |
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The Calm before the Storm
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Location: Missouri | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-10-21 3:20 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-21 3:15 PM Vegas By Storm - 2014-10-21 3:12 PM I still proudly wear my Ulcer cure OTC shirt at rodeos :)!! I actually need to order some for the mare I'm running now. DJG.. do we get shirts if we order products? This might be the deciding factor.. LOL!
some more of the long sleeve shirts we can rodeo in Pretty PLEASE :)!!! |
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Tough Patooty
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Location: Sperry, OK | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-10-21 3:20 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-21 3:15 PM Vegas By Storm - 2014-10-21 3:12 PM I still proudly wear my Ulcer cure OTC shirt at rodeos :)!! I actually need to order some for the mare I'm running now. DJG.. do we get shirts if we order products? This might be the deciding factor.. LOL!
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Tough Patooty
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Location: Sperry, OK | Thank you everyone for your input, it is GREATLY appreciated. I will weigh my options (and money), and deicide what my next move will be. And if treating him for ulcers doesn't work, this will be him...  |
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Location: Kansas | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-21 3:15 PM Vegas By Storm - 2014-10-21 3:12 PM I still proudly wear my Ulcer cure OTC shirt at rodeos :)!! I actually need to order some for the mare I'm running now. DJG.. do we get shirts if we order products? This might be the deciding factor.. LOL!
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We are going to try a round of Succeed now too. |
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Location: IL | Sounds like you should use the OTC to treat ulcers and then to maintain them use the gastroplus for THE. I wouldn't want to keep my horse on the omparzole long term. If the gastroplus from THE makes the stomach lining better and also helps hindgut, that would be the key. JMO So far that's what I've gotten from this post. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | merdth6 - 2014-10-21 4:59 PM Sounds like you should use the OTC to treat ulcers and then to maintain them use the gastroplus for THE. I wouldn't want to keep my horse on the omparzole long term. If the gastroplus from THE makes the stomach lining better and also helps hindgut, that would be the key. JMO So far that's what I've gotten from this post.
This is a very good idea! And many were expecting a dog fight! LOL |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | I love my GastroPLUS! It helped my horse more than I realized. I was able to get it cheaper from a distributor of THE and not from the company. |
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