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Location: Montana | My mare is turning 14 this year, and I know as she gets older she's more likely to get arthritis and have more joint problems. She's going good and feels good, but I'm just curious what you feel is better as preventative maintenance, BOT products or magnetic products? Assuming you couldn't afford both. Thanks! |
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Location: your guess is as good as mine | I personally love the PHT magnetic products, but I have several friends who use the BOTs and they seem to work well. I will say I would use the BOT products rather than use magnetics other than PHT, but again that's just my personal preference. Honestly I think it mainly boils down to what you can afford... |
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| Magnets and BOT both work differently. I alternate using them to pull soreness out. When I get a therapy horse in I will put either all magnetic products or all BOT the first day and change the next day. I like to leave them on 4 hours the first time they have ever had them on then overnight after that. I LOVE BOT when you cant or don't have the time to sweat legs/hocks. Just remember to not put any liniments on them and cover them with these products it will burn them. Sore No More is the only product I know of that doesn't burn. |
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Location: Montana | I know they both work differently, one thermal therapy and one magnetic therapy. But there have also been articles about magnetic therapy not doing anything, but personally I don't know. I was just seeing what was a better choice if you could only afford one or the other.
A couple of trainers I know use BOT products, and that is the way I was leaning. I'm not a huge one for using liniments any ways. I used to use it on my old mare (she was in her 20's at the time), and besides the feeling I got in my hands when I used it that I didn't care for, I'm pretty certain I was allergic to it (hands would kind break out). I would use liniment if I needed to, and maybe it was the kind I used (Thermaflex I think) that I didn't like. I do, however, really like Absorbine Jr., but I could never imagine using liniment AND something else...seems like too much even if it didn't burn them. I'm from the line of simple is best. :)
Thank you for the info and opinions!
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Location: Here | mtcanchazer - 2015-04-18 10:41 PM I know they both work differently, one thermal therapy and one magnetic therapy. But there have also been articles about magnetic therapy not doing anything, but personally I don't know. I was just seeing what was a better choice if you could only afford one or the other.
A couple of trainers I know use BOT products, and that is the way I was leaning. I'm not a huge one for using liniments any ways. I used to use it on my old mare (she was in her 20's at the time), and besides the feeling I got in my hands when I used it that I didn't care for, I'm pretty certain I was allergic to it (hands would kind break out). I would use liniment if I needed to, and maybe it was the kind I used (Thermaflex I think) that I didn't like. I do, however, really like Absorbine Jr., but I could never imagine using liniment AND something else...seems like too much even if it didn't burn them. I'm from the line of simple is best. :)
Thank you for the info and opinions!
Those "articles" lump all kinds of magnets into one group which is very misleading. For example rubber refrigerator magnets have very little effect on animals, whereas medical grade unipolar does. Also there are numerous studies proving they do work including the work of Dr Philpott as well as a published study in the New England Journal of medicine. |
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Location: Montana | SG. - 2015-04-18 10:05 PM mtcanchazer - 2015-04-18 10:41 PM I know they both work differently, one thermal therapy and one magnetic therapy. But there have also been articles about magnetic therapy not doing anything, but personally I don't know. I was just seeing what was a better choice if you could only afford one or the other.
A couple of trainers I know use BOT products, and that is the way I was leaning. I'm not a huge one for using liniments any ways. I used to use it on my old mare (she was in her 20's at the time), and besides the feeling I got in my hands when I used it that I didn't care for, I'm pretty certain I was allergic to it (hands would kind break out). I would use liniment if I needed to, and maybe it was the kind I used (Thermaflex I think) that I didn't like. I do, however, really like Absorbine Jr., but I could never imagine using liniment AND something else...seems like too much even if it didn't burn them. I'm from the line of simple is best. :)
Thank you for the info and opinions! Those "articles" lump all kinds of magnets into one group which is very misleading. For example rubber refrigerator magnets have very little effect on animals, whereas medical grade unipolar does. Also there are numerous studies proving they do work including the work of Dr Philpott as well as a published study in the New England Journal of medicine.
I wasn't trying to lump anything together, just saying what I've heard/read. Not trying to offend anyone.  |
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Location: Here | mtcanchazer - 2015-04-19 12:04 AM SG. - 2015-04-18 10:05 PM mtcanchazer - 2015-04-18 10:41 PM I know they both work differently, one thermal therapy and one magnetic therapy. But there have also been articles about magnetic therapy not doing anything, but personally I don't know. I was just seeing what was a better choice if you could only afford one or the other.
A couple of trainers I know use BOT products, and that is the way I was leaning. I'm not a huge one for using liniments any ways. I used to use it on my old mare (she was in her 20's at the time), and besides the feeling I got in my hands when I used it that I didn't care for, I'm pretty certain I was allergic to it (hands would kind break out). I would use liniment if I needed to, and maybe it was the kind I used (Thermaflex I think) that I didn't like. I do, however, really like Absorbine Jr., but I could never imagine using liniment AND something else...seems like too much even if it didn't burn them. I'm from the line of simple is best. :)
Thank you for the info and opinions! Those "articles" lump all kinds of magnets into one group which is very misleading. For example rubber refrigerator magnets have very little effect on animals, whereas medical grade unipolar does. Also there are numerous studies proving they do work including the work of Dr Philpott as well as a published study in the New England Journal of medicine.
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 A Lady with Fight
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Location: NC | I know 100% that BOT works because I use it on myself.
I've used PHT and honestly did not see a difference between the PHT sheet & the cheaper DuraTech. I do have PHY bells and absolutely love them. PHT has fabulous customer service & dealers & products. I just didn't see a difference in the sheets.
I am in love with Soft Ride boots. They're the greatest investment I've ever made. I love love them. And so does my gelding.
Regular liniment is terrible. Try Sore No More liniment and poultice. It's absolutely wonderful. Does NOT burn. No strong medicinal smell. It's great. I use it all the time. I love the poultice for after my runs in the summer. |
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | I've tried the BOT for myself and it didn't do a darned thing. I had some wraps for my horse but sold them because I didn't notice a significant difference when he wore them and they would always rotate or fall down and were just kind of a pain. I want to try PHT. |
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Location: Midwest | I think everyone has products that seem to work better for different purposes and horses.
I think both are great and personally I prefer the bot because it seemed to help my horse. When he had an injury.
I also know many who swear by pht. They have very good customer service and Julie aka SG is awesome with answering questions you may have about her products. |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | I'm in the middle of the pht or bot dilemma right now,
I have a bot sheet and hock boots and absolutely love them!
And can tell they are working but I'm searching for Bell boots and hear
That pht magnetic therapy is better for hooves as it dosen't retain heat.
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Location: Oklahoma | I prefer the magnetic and I've used both. There are some injuries/soreness that doesn't need the kind of heat that BOT produces. I use the magnetic (and I'm referring to the good medical grade magnetic, not the cheap Ebay stuff...and having had the DuraTech and PHT blankets both, I can definitely tell a difference) and BOT on myself, and they both help. I just prefer the magnetic. I think it reduces pain better and faster. JMO
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Location: ND | I prefer PHT. I have a couple blankets, bell boots & 3 n 1 wraps for my horses. I have used the bell boots & wraps on my arm quite a bit & know they work. I tried another magnetic product made for people for my hand & it did nothing. With the pht I can literally feel the increase in blood flow & when used over night the aches in my hand & arm from drawing are gone. I've also tried BOT as my dad bought a blanket, slept with that a few nights to see if I noticed anything & felt absolutely no change from it. I don't think I'll ever know if it's going to do anything for my dad's horse as he refuses to leave it on him for more than 10 minutes, as soon as he starts sweating he pulls it off. |
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| I have tried both. BOT did NOTHING for me. PHT i can curl up in the blanket and about 20 mins later everything starts to relax. love PHT. definitely worth the extra!
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| I have both and like both if I had to choose I think I would choose the BOT as it seems to take swelling out faster IMO but they both have there place I think. We have BOT for us and my horses have the blanket, quick wraps, bell boots and hock wraps. I see a huge difference when using them. I have PHT for my horses and a blanket for our hunting dogs we like. |
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Location: Jersey Girl | I personally have used BOT products for myself and they do work (sore knees).
I have both but find myself using the BOT products more. Only downside is you can't used the sheet in the summer (makes them sweat). |
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Location: Texas | I have both products. I love BOT BUT- my horses sweat under the sheet if it's over 75 outside, so I find myself not using them most of the year. The magnetic blanket I never have to worry about them getting too hot. I absolutely love the BOT quick wraps on the legs though. |
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A Lady with Fight
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Location: NC | daisy - 2015-04-19 11:48 AM
I have tried both. BOT did NOTHING for me. PHT i can curl up in the blanket and about 20 mins later everything starts to relax. love PHT. definitely worth the extra!
I've always wondered how exactly a blanket made for certain points on a horse works for a human just 'curling up' in it.
How does that work? Is there just some magnetic field thing going on or what? Just confused how that works. I always thought the points on the blankets had a purpose. Each one was supposed to be over a certain acupuncture or pressure point |
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| casualdust07 - 2015-04-19 1:29 PM
I have both products. I love BOT BUT- my horses sweat under the sheet if it's over 75 outside, so I find myself not using them most of the year. The magnetic blanket I never have to worry about them getting too hot. I absolutely love the BOT quick wraps on the legs though.
Ditto! Nothing prevents stocking up over a long weekend than the BOT quick wraps but I won't leave them on long nor leave them on in the trailer when it's summer. |
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| I wanted to try BOT .. but, I live in Southern Arizona … where its hot. So i don't know how much use I'd actually get. |
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| hlynn - 2015-04-19 12:51 PM
daisy - 2015-04-19 11:48 AM
I have tried both. BOT did NOTHING for me. PHT i can curl up in the blanket and about 20 mins later everything starts to relax. love PHT. definitely worth the extra!
I've always wondered how exactly a blanket made for certain points on a horse works for a human just 'curling up' in it.
How does that work? Is there just some magnetic field thing going on or what? Just confused how that works. I always thought the points on the blankets had a purpose. Each one was supposed to be over a certain acupuncture or pressure point
I honestly don't have an answer for you! Yes i agree they are to sit just right on a horse. Proper fit . With that said i have a lot of pain in my body from too many accidents. I do not sleep well at all. I have tried about everything out there for pain management and I really feel like the pht blanket with the magnets gave my body a break so to speak. It seems like everything slowly relaxs. My muscles and tendons are constantly pulling. I have a lot of arthritis from broken bones and bone spurs. I do not sell either of the products. So i am not looking for financial gain with my experience of the blankets |
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Location: Dubach, LA | I sleep on my PHT blanket. I have deep hip pain that nothing helps except the blanket. |
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Location: Dubach, LA | Ready to give Benefab a try! |
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Total Germophobe
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Location: Montana | Thanks for all of the great advice! With the exception of about 2 months out of the year, it's usually not too warm here to use either product. I'm not the type to just leave things on in the pasture, either, because I'm afraid somebody would get hung up on something. In my research I heard of Benefab, but have not looked into it...maybe I will more! Thanks agian! |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | I have used both. I completely understand as to how they both work; and in turn, work differently. I got my two PHT blankets and leg wraps, poll wrap, and bell boots in (I think) 2003. I am still using them....extremely durable. I love the way they work and have used them myself. I can see a difference.
Even though I'm a barrel racer, I boarded at a hunter/jumper/eventing barn. They swore by BOT. So, I tried the saddle pad and splint boots last summer. I didn't like them at all and saw no difference. The splint boots kept coming undone while working with any small amount of sweat; and frankly, seemed cheap in their construction.
So, I guess I am a huge supporter of PHT. The products are very durable and really work...very well worth the money.
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Location: Oklahoma | I must say I'm not a fan of BOT. I've tried them and never saw a difference. I do, however, believe in the PHT. I was skeptical about them. I ordered a magnacu blanket. It never made it out of my house. I wore it around the house and could feel the change. I have a bad knee and bad hip and after about 10 minutes under the blanket I started to feel tingly and relaxed. I also have 3 poll packs. My gelding is very nervous and scared but I've noticed him relaxing while tied to the trailer with the poll pack on. I will be buying more PHT items! |
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Location: Kansas | I have both and think they both work. Chance and Joker love the Back on Track products, but Clifford is a big fan of PHT so I keep a sheet & 2 pairs of 3-n-1 wraps around for him. Chance and Joker are my two older, more experienced horses so they tend to have more chronic aches and pains and I think the BOT products are great for stuff like that. Joker licks his lips when I put a BOT sheet on him but the PHT sheet gets no reaction from him. Both Chance and Joker seem to warm up better after wearing BOT sheets, and the quick wraps will keep Streak's back legs from stocking up. Cliff will chase you down for his PHT sheet so he has only worn the BOT sheet a couple times. I figure if he likes PHT so much I'll stick with it for him.
I think it is a personal preference which brand you choose, but the good thing is they both hold their value so if its not getting results, you can sell it and buy the other. I had a PHT sheet several years ago and didn't see magical results with Chance so I sold it and later bought BOT for him, which seems to be more what he responds to.
ETA - I have used my PHT 3-N-1 wraps on an injured knee and after just a couple hours I felt significantly better. Matt is trying a BOT knee brace and t-shirt to alleviate some soreness from riding bucking horses and so far I think he really likes the knee brace. My brother has a mare with an old bowed tendon who wears a PHT 3-n-1 wrap 24/7 and it has helped her a ton. The vet wasn't sure she'd come back to be sound even for trail riding but after we stopped using DMSO on the leg and put a PHT wrap on it, she really started moving better. I just hope I can stumble onto a bargain on another PHT wrap before she completely destroys the one she's wearing. LOL.
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| I think it really depends on exactly what your horse has going on. I have not tried PHT, but have the BOT quick wraps and hock wraps for my gelding. He's 17, and is starting to have some arthritis issues. Especially when it's cold out, he seems so much more comfortable if he has a little warm-up time with the BOT while I'm brushing and saddling. |
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Location: Missouri | k.maddocks24 - 2015-04-20 11:10 AM I think it really depends on exactly what your horse has going on. I have not tried PHT, but have the BOT quick wraps and hock wraps for my gelding. He's 17, and is starting to have some arthritis issues. Especially when it's cold out, he seems so much more comfortable if he has a little warm-up time with the BOT while I'm brushing and saddling.
Same here... haven't tried PHT, but use the BOT knee boots on my old guy with arthritic knees, only while trailering and at overnight races b/c he is not stalled at home. I can see a big difference! He warms up faster, his stride is smoother, etc. I would love the BOT wraps, but just use a regular standing wrap with them.
I also use the BOT saddle pad liner for my cold-backed horse. I do think it helps him, but hard to prove considering I've been trying to train him through it too. At least my saddle pad stays clean! lol! |
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Location: Oklahoma | I love BOT. I have quick wraps for all four legs, hock boots and the mesh sheet. It helped my gelding tremendously while he was healing from a suspensory injury and he gets extremely relaxed when he hears me unvelcroing the quick wraps. I've never seen anything like it.
I only have a PHT poll pack and I don't think I've used it enough to try and tell a difference, but I am saving my money for a sheet so I can use this summer when it's warm and don't want to use the BOT sheet. |
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | So now I have a question. My horse was diagnosed w/ kissing spine today which is causing a lot of muscle soreness around the areas that are "kissing". My vet mentioned getting a BOT sheet, but I'm trying to decide if that or the magnacu would be more beneficial. I'd like to save up for both but it'll take a while. |
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| I love BOT for my horse's back soreness. However, my horse's back pain was from ill fitting saddles, not kissing spine. The sheet allowed me to lightly ride him until I found a saddle that fit him. I used the BOT before I rode and he was always had a swinging walk and picked up his leads. If I forgot, none of those things happened. I also used my old Norfield's magnetic sheet on him after I rode. I don't use them now because I was able to fix my problem. I would definitely use them again and try them for kissing spine. |
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Preventative maintenance, BOT or magnetic products?