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Location: NE Texas | I have a friend who started the Total Support back in the summer when the heat and humidity was at it's highest. Her horse seemed to have labored breathing about 2 weeks in. It appeared he had some mucous that was trying to move, but due to the humidity he couldnt' get it up, so it caused him to breathe heavy and hard. She added in the Immune & Repair to encourage things to happen a bit quicker, and this issue went away and he made the best run he's made for her so far this weekend.
If you don't give the loading dose, I don't think you can expect to get the full results of the product. Especially if you're treating an acute issue.
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Location: NE Texas | Shortbus - 2015-08-31 9:33 AM On the Cur Ost Adapt do you use it all the time or can you use it right before a show?
There is a post on the forum at www.secondvet.com regarding the Adapt & Calm. You can give it either way. I give it daily and will sometimes double up a day before a show if I feel like I need to. If you're only going to give it to haul, I woudl recommend starting it a day early and continuing it a few days after just to manage the stress of hauling. | |
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| Shortbus - 2015-08-31 7:33 AM
On the Cur Ost Adapt do you use it all the time or can you use it right before a show?
I asked Dr. Schell this very question. He said it takes 2-3 days to really work so you CAN give it before a show. My 4 year old I give it to daily because it makes his training so much easier. But I plan to back of to " As needed" very soon. | |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-08-31 1:18 PM
Shortbus - 2015-08-31 7:33 AM
On the Cur Ost Adapt do you use it all the time or can you use it right before a show?
I asked Dr. Schell this very question. He said it takes 2-3 days to really work so you CAN give it before a show. My 4 year old I give it to daily because it makes his training so much easier. But I plan to back of to " As needed" very soon.
Thank you! My gelding is calm and rides like a pleasure horse at home but take him to a show he just gets excited & gets himself all wound up. He knows his job and is ready to go. Just thought this may take some of the excitement out and get him to calm down & relax. | |
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Location: NE Texas | readytorodeo - 2015-08-31 1:04 PM so if you do the immune too, do you give just one scoop of each morning and night?
No, if on he maintenance dose, you'd give two scoops of the Total Support and two scoops of the Immune & Repair at one feeding, preferably morning depending on what time you usually ride or compete. Don't split the dose and give one scoop twice daily. | |
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Location: Oklahoma | i ordered mine today. I am getting the total and the immune. If it works I have a second horse that will be trying the products on but he has different issues so will be a little different for him. anxious I will take before and after pics. the one I am gonna try first actually looks pretty good but still gonna do the pics anyways. will keep everyone posted :)) | |
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Location: NE Texas | Anniemae - 2015-08-31 5:52 PM Can someone explain what Cur Ost is and how it works?
Annimae, Cur-Ost is a group of products developed by Dr. Tom Schell. These products use specific herbs to treat inflammatory conditions in the horse that begin in the hindgut, and then lead to other inflammatory issues in the body from joints, to allergies, COPD, GI issues, laminitis, etc. Nearly all of the chronic issues we deal with in our horses are due to inflammatory conditions that begin in the hind gut. Check out the forum at https://secondvet.com/index.php/forum/equine. You can create an account and read several different posts discussing these issues. I would encourage you to read the office hours post on "Grasping the Concept of Inflammation" about half way down the form page. It explains how inflammation can attack different aspects of both ours, and our horses health.
This isn't just another supplement, it's a miracle. Dr. Schell and his products literally saved my horse's life when 4 very competant vets here locally who had treated this horse were left scratching their heads. I'm so happy to have found Dr. Schell and www.nouvelleresearch.com! Now others are getting to experience the same dramatic results I did. | |
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Location: Silver Lake, MN | I just got mine today. So excited to try it on my PSSM mare!! Will keep everyone posted. | |
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Location: NE Texas | CarrieH77 - 2015-09-08 3:58 PM I just got mine today. So excited to try it on my PSSM mare!! Will keep everyone posted.
I'm so excited too! Can't wait to read about all the changes you see with her! | |
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Location: Oklahoma | I am bout five days in. My horse that I got off the track I didn't have the money to do the loading dose so I am only doing the maintenance doses I realize that it may take longer to see a difference. Well it is helping him He is always a friendly horse easy to catch but will not go out of his way to see you. He came to the fence to see my mom to be petted first time ever in the eight months I have had him! His coat is looking better but will need a little more time to see exactly how much helping him. My barrel horse with COPD he is on the total health loading dose and the immune repair. not one time has he coughed but he was on steriods before I started this product and I was at the very end of the steriods before I started using this product so will see if this continues on the no coughing and will be hopfully making a run this weekend ( I havent ran him since he was diagnosed a month ago and on meds. ) But I did notice today and yesterday that his coat is so bright and shiny and very coppery (he is sorrel) He has always had a shiny coat but never this bright. So that has to mean it is doing something on the inside for his coat to change I really think I am gonna love these products. Also he had a sacroid on the inside of a hind leg that was gumball size I never did anything for it because it wasnt bothering him and I didnt want to take a chance of spreading when I changed to feed program about 6-8 months ago it shrunk to half the size but since I added the Cur-Ost it has strunk again and now it has color to it stead of white looking I think it completely go away! I wish I had taken before pics and documented everything but I am horrible with being organized and didn't think I would see any changes to worry bout. But I wish I had taken pics of this sacroid and the changes. all by changing the feed and now adding the Curost He has had this sacroid at least four years. It changed bout four months ago to 1/2 its size and stayed the same now that it is changing again I know that it is this product! Thanks Herbie! I cannot wait for 30 days on both horses! | |
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Location: Pelham, TN | My mare with COPD and Esophagus issues wont touch her feed with anything added to it. She preferably could care less if she eats her feed at all. I have tried multiple feeds and nothing. She leaves all the supplement at the bottom and any crumbs. The birds get it.. Im not all about feeding birds these expensive supplements. She also dont like anything wet added so no oils to help her eat it. Picky mare..... | |
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| My horse was a bad gobbler. He crammed so much feed in his mouth, it just fell out. Since changing him to Omni cubes, a 1/2 cup of oats and his cur Ost supplement he has slowed way down on eating. I hear him licking his big feed tub for several minutes. I check his tub and the bottom is wet from his licking. I don't what made him change. Is it the desire to get every little oat? Is the cur Ost that tasty? Just thoughts to ponder for the gobblers and picky eaters.  | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I've looked closely at this product. It seems to me that the the key ingredient might be the curcumin, which is found in turmeric. While most herbal remedies are, at best, weakly supported by good scientific evidence (clinical trials, etc...), turmeric is one herb that shows some pretty decent potential for possibly a wide range of disorders. My question is, how much does it cost per horse, per month? The next question is how much turmeric is enough for a horse, and would it be a lot less expensive to just give turmeric? | |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Bear - 2015-09-09 8:28 AM I've looked closely at this product. It seems to me that the the key ingredient might be the curcumin, which is found in turmeric. While most herbal remedies are, at best, weakly supported by good scientific evidence (clinical trials, etc...), turmeric is one herb that shows some pretty decent potential for possibly a wide range of disorders. My question is, how much does it cost per horse, per month? The next question is how much turmeric is enough for a horse, and would it be a lot less expensive to just give turmeric?
There is a product called Tumericle by Stance Equine that has turmeric, coconut oil, black pepper and resveratrol. The CO and black pepper is supposed to make the turmeric be able to be absorbed, otherwise it is not well utilized by us or horses. I have not tried it yet but I may try it this winter on a couple of horses that I have had on the Curost products. The Curost has helped two of my old kid horses when nothing else would but it is not cheap.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I looked at the pricing, and yes, it's not cheap. One bag of total support has 30 servings for $120. They recommend 2 servings a day. So basically this stuff costs $240 per month per horse, if you give it as recommended. We have 7 horses and they are all healthy. If we gave this to one, we'd give it to all of them......for roughly $1700.00/month. You can buy bulk turmeric powder and it's not terribly expensive. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Don't put to much stock in coat changes this time of year. They're growing new hair anyway, regardless of what you're feeding.
That said, I'm trying this on my horse with allergies. He had a gutteral pouch infection last year that was affecting his eyesight. He's started coughing during warmup again so I'm going to try to head it off and see what happens. | |
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Location: NE Texas | One bag of Total Support will treat one horse for 30 days, at the maintenance dose, which is 2 scoops, once daily. It is recommended that when starting the product you do a loading dose of 2 scoops, twice daily, which will make a bag only last 2 weeks. Bear, you are correct, there is curcurmin in turmeric, but it's not pure curcurmin, nor can you be sure of the "grade" of the curcurmin. So basically there is no way to know indefinitely how much curcurmin and what the quality is if simply giving turmeric. I have a box full of turmeric if you'd like to do a test. I did one on another horse and didn't achieve the same results. I was curious too. :)
The Cur-OST is expensive, without a doubt, but once you try it on one horse....pick any horse, the one who you have to do the most vet work on, whether it be injections, ulcers, etc.....and try it. Yes, my horse was extremely ill, and this was literally a last resort for me after taking him to 4 different very competant vets and completely exceeding their treatment options. None of them could give me anything else to try. I had to swallow hard when I bought that first 2 weeks supply of the Cur-OST, but i'm so happy I did, as it has truly saved my horses life and he's a completely different horse, for the better, than before he became so sick. This isn't just a supplement, this is a miracle. I know your horses are healthy, but I would be willing to bet you that if you discontinued any supplements you're currently giving and tried this on one horse, that you would be amazed.
There are others who have used this on their horses who aren't dealing with any specific issues, and still the changes they noted are beyond anything they could have expected. Things we discount as quirks or strange personlity traits with our horses have been resolved. Horses that have been chronically ill mannered are now big love bugs. No more omeprazole, ranitidine, pre or pro-biotics, no more oral joint supplements, fat supplements, bute/banamine/dex/previcoxx, no more a pinch of this and a pinch of that.
Believe me, i'm the biggest supplement skeptic out there, but to call this a "supplement" is not even fair. I am taking the product too, and for someone who has had to live on Zyrtec D, benadryl, and steroid shots my entire life, I haven't bought one box of allergy meds this year. I'm a "proof is in the puddin" kind of person....heck, I named my horse "Actions Peak Louder", and this is absolutely a seeing is believing situation, and i'm not the only one who is reaping the benefits of this program now. I'd never wish on anyone to go through what i've been through with this horse, but i'm almost thankful at this point, as it's led me to Dr. Schell and this product. Through this, i've learned so much about how inflammation impacts both us and our horses, and i'm confident going forward that both my feed bill and my vet bills will drastically decrease. Is it expensive, yes....is it worth it.....unequivically YES! I will eat ramen noodles if it means my horses can have this product and remain on this program.
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| Herbie - 2015-09-09 7:15 AM
One bag of Total Support will treat one horse for 30 days, at the maintenance dose, which is 2 scoops, once daily. It is recommended that when starting the product you do a loading dose of 2 scoops, twice daily, which will make a bag only last 2 weeks. Bear, you are correct, there is curcurmin in turmeric, but it's not pure curcurmin, nor can you be sure of the "grade" of the curcurmin. So basically there is no way to know indefinitely how much curcurmin and what the quality is if simply giving turmeric. I have a box full of turmeric if you'd like to do a test. I did one on another horse and didn't achieve the same results. I was curious too. :)
The Cur-OST is expensive, without a doubt, but once you try it on one horse....pick any horse, the one who you have to do the most vet work on, whether it be injections, ulcers, etc.....and try it. Yes, my horse was extremely ill, and this was literally a last resort for me after taking him to 4 different very competant vets and completely exceeding their treatment options. None of them could give me anything else to try. I had to swallow hard when I bought that first 2 weeks supply of the Cur-OST, but i'm so happy I did, as it has truly saved my horses life and he's a completely different horse, for the better, than before he became so sick. This isn't just a supplement, this is a miracle. I know your horses are healthy, but I would be willing to bet you that if you discontinued any supplements you're currently giving and tried this on one horse, that you would be amazed.
There are others who have used this on their horses who aren't dealing with any specific issues, and still the changes they noted are beyond anything they could have expected. Things we discount as quirks or strange personlity traits with our horses have been resolved. Horses that have been chronically ill mannered are now big love bugs. No more omeprazole, ranitidine, pre or pro-biotics, no more oral joint supplements, fat supplements, bute/banamine/dex/previcoxx, no more a pinch of this and a pinch of that.
Believe me, i'm the biggest supplement skeptic out there, but to call this a "supplement" is not even fair. I am taking the product too, and for someone who has had to live on Zyrtec D, benadryl, and steroid shots my entire life, I haven't bought one box of allergy meds this year. I'm a "proof is in the puddin" kind of person....heck, I named my horse "Actions Peak Louder", and this is absolutely a seeing is believing situation, and i'm not the only one who is reaping the benefits of this program now. I'd never wish on anyone to go through what i've been through with this horse, but i'm almost thankful at this point, as it's led me to Dr. Schell and this product. Through this, i've learned so much about how inflammation impacts both us and our horses, and i'm confident going forward that both my feed bill and my vet bills will drastically decrease. Is it expensive, yes....is it worth it.....unequivically YES! I will eat ramen noodles if it means my horses can have this product and remain on this program.
Herbie didnt mention my name directly but she is referring to a couple of my horses in her post. I refused to buy the Total support for a long time as she will tell you. If you buy 2 bags at a time its 115 each. It costs me 230 a month for both my horses. My colt I might back off to ONE scoop a day just to see if I can maintain him. He has NO KNOWN issues. in that case one bag will last 60 days. My 10 year old with allergies, arthritis etc will keep getting the 2 scoops a day. Since starting curost however here is what I have saved
1. No more previcox before and after runs ( saves about 30.00 a month)
2. No more Ventipulman when he runs ( saves about 50-60 a month).
3. No more FORCO, Oral joint supplement, Pentosan injections, LEGEND injections, Polyglycan, Osphos, etc) (45 days now on curost and have not needed these items despite having to use them weekly). Saves about 250 a month.
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Location: North Dakota | Herbie, which products do you use yourself? If this would help me with my allergies and overall-body soreness-I might be sold on using it on my horse (and my Mom who suffers from terrible arthritis) | |
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| I have been following the Cur Ost threads, posts, and their website. So it is powder correct? Do picky eaters eat it? I have a mare that is TERRIBLE at even looking at anything with any sort of a loose supplement on it. Occasionally I even have trouble with pellets. | |
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Location: NE Texas | LMS - 2015-09-09 9:57 AM Herbie, which products do you use yourself? If this would help me with my allergies and overall-body soreness-I might be sold on using it on my horse (and my Mom who suffers from terrible arthritis)
Hey, LMS, I am currently using the HU Ultimate and just received my first jar of the HU Immune. I will tell you that at first it was tough to get down, as the powder is a bit gritty. I finally got my mixture right and drink it first thing in the morning mixed with grape juice and water, about half and half. It's still gritty, but I just chug. HAHA | |
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Location: NE Texas | epoh - 2015-09-09 10:30 AM I have been following the Cur Ost threads, posts, and their website. So it is powder correct? Do picky eaters eat it? I have a mare that is TERRIBLE at even looking at anything with any sort of a loose supplement on it. Occasionally I even have trouble with pellets.
Hi epoh, yes, the product is a powder. My colt is a very picky eater, and has been able to pick out even the smallest thing out of his feed in the past. I believe he's always been a picky eater because he's always dealt with stomach and hindgut issues despite have been on Omeprazole, Ranitidine, or GastroPlus at long term doses. At first he was not sure about eating it, and I know others have dealt with this too. I went into panic mode and emailed Dr. Schell. He asked me to be patient. The first week, yes, my horse turned his nose up. At that time I was feeding Bluebonnet Omegaforce Intensify, slightly wetting it, mixing it up, then adding my product and mixing it up. For the first few days he would leave a good bit in his bucket, so I would just dump it in on top of his next meal. I didn't do the full 2 scoops, twice daily until I had him eating it well, then I started the true loading dose of 2 scoops twice a day. About 30 days into the program, I changed over to whole oats, and my horse never backed off. He would rather have his oats with his Cur-OST than his alfalfa and will not leave one grain of oats anywhere. He will lick his bucket literally and now is a voracious eater.
I know Flitastic has some issues getting her young horse on this program too at first. Him being off the racetrack, he was super picky about his grain with nothing in it as well, and he refused, but I think now he's in his bucket and licks it clean as well. Another friend of mine who has a picky eater started putting it in her soaked cubes and now her horse is eating it in whole oats as well.
So yes, at first it can be tricky with a picky eater, but just be patient and dump whatever he didn't clean up in on top of his next feeding and in a week I would bet he's eating it no problem, then start the loading dose.
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Location: Louisiana | Herbie, I have been meaning to tell you how Cooper's personality has changed. He was warming up to me finally before the cur ost, but now he would get in my lap if I let him. He runs and plays in the pasture like a 2 yo now too. Just lots of personality and very affectionate. | |
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Location: NE Texas | Wishful - 2015-09-09 11:25 AM thoughts on helping bleeders?
Without a doubt. Dr. Schell and I have discussed this briefly, but I think EIPH (bleeding) would be a great subject to post on www.secondvet.com to allow him to explain in more detail. I will quote Dr. Schell below in an email he sent me several months ago referenceing EIPH. Yes, it's ALL related!
" The race industry is very interesting to me. We did that study this past spring evaluating fecal bacterial levels in horses, mainly focusing on easy keepers etc, then making a connection with inflammation and associated conditions. I requested some samples from actively racing TB's and received about 9, which were not part of the study. I evaluated them and the bacterial counts were actually higher than the easy keepers, but the real interesting thing was that the overall bacterial population was reduced compared to normal. When you factor in the stress, commercial diets, ulcer meds and NSAIDs that these guys are on, it all clicks. The diet and stress contribute to the overgrowth of bad bacteria, and the ongoing use of the ulcer meds actually changes the pH to the point where normal good bacteria have a hard time thriving. Throw into this that in human research, the ulcer meds are connected with decreased nutrient absorption. When you combine that with inflammation, leaky gut and poor nutrient assimilation...it is a recipe for disaster. Bone fractures, tendon injuries...all tied into poor magnesium, calcium absorption and inflammation. EIPH linked back to inflammation and acidic body pH, linked back to the gut. " | |
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Location: Lala Land | I started the Immune for myself about 2 weeks ago, I have what they think is an allergy to leather (but never got patch tested) and will break out with small blisters on my hands. After taking it for a week they cleared up, I am absolutely sold. I am excited to get my horse started on this since he has a lot going on.
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epoh - 2015-09-09 10:30 AM I have been following the Cur Ost threads, posts, and their website. So it is powder correct? Do picky eaters eat it? I have a mare that is TERRIBLE at even looking at anything with any sort of a loose supplement on it. Occasionally I even have trouble with pellets.
Hi epoh, yes, the product is a powder. My colt is a very picky eater, and has been able to pick out even the smallest thing out of his feed in the past. I believe he's always been a picky eater because he's always dealt with stomach and hindgut issues despite have been on Omeprazole, Ranitidine, or GastroPlus at long term doses. At first he was not sure about eating it, and I know others have dealt with this too. I went into panic mode and emailed Dr. Schell. He asked me to be patient. The first week, yes, my horse turned his nose up. At that time I was feeding Bluebonnet Omegaforce Intensify, slightly wetting it, mixing it up, then adding my product and mixing it up. For the first few days he would leave a good bit in his bucket, so I would just dump it in on top of his next meal. I didn't do the full 2 scoops, twice daily until I had him eating it well, then I started the true loading dose of 2 scoops twice a day. About 30 days into the program, I changed over to whole oats, and my horse never backed off. He would rather have his oats with his Cur-OST than his alfalfa and will not leave one grain of oats anywhere. He will lick his bucket literally and now is a voracious eater.
I know Flitastic has some issues getting her young horse on this program too at first. Him being off the racetrack, he was super picky about his grain with nothing in it as well, and he refused, but I think now he's in his bucket and licks it clean as well. Another friend of mine who has a picky eater started putting it in her soaked cubes and now her horse is eating it in whole oats as well.
So yes, at first it can be tricky with a picky eater, but just be patient and dump whatever he didn't clean up in on top of his next feeding and in a week I would bet he's eating it no problem, then start the loading dose.
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Location: Midwest | The ingredients list is extremely vague. Do they have a breakdown somewhere of the individual ingredient dosages? How were these dosages established? What mushrooms were used in the creation of this product?
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | As a "proprietary blend", the amounts of individual ingredients/nutrients aren't required to be disclosed. | |
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Location: NE Texas | Dr. Schell is a cancer survivor, and after going through chemo, he still wasn't doing well, so he began researching herbs and treating himself. This is how the product began, and yes, he still takes these forumlas daily. I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any questions you may have without releasing the proprietary information and his sources for ingredients. The links below will help explain how the product was formulated. This isn't something that came about simply as another way to scheme and get more money out of us horse owners. It was created out of necessity by Dr. Schell to restore his own health and save his own life. It wasn't until he perfected the product on himself that he then made the product available to his customers, and then the public. It's backed by researched and tested by rehab cases, his customers, and himself. There are no "fillers", there are no sythetics, what you read on the package is what is in there. Allison, believe me, I know it truly sounds to good to be true, but it's not. It literally is the best thing i've ever done for a horse in my life. I hope you'll read these articles.
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/339-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/340-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations-part-two
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Location: Midwest | Three 4 Luck - 2015-09-09 2:47 PM As a "proprietary blend", the amounts of individual ingredients/nutrients aren't required to be disclosed. True, but I was wondering if they were willing to share.
I doubt it, but worth asking. I did email the company as well. I'm guessing I won't hear back- eta since i sent through the website- I may try the forum if I get the time.
I don't plan on making the stuff in my basement BTW- I just would like to know how much curcumin is in a dose of this product, as well as how much of the vitamins. Herbs can and do interact with medications and curcumin is apparently a bloodthinner (according to some researching of the journals)... so just wondering.
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Location: Midwest | Herbie - 2015-09-09 2:51 PM Dr. Schell is a cancer survivor, and after going through chemo, he still wasn't doing well, so he began researching herbs and treating himself. This is how the product began, and yes, he still takes these forumlas daily. I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any questions you may have without releasing the proprietary information and his sources for ingredients. The links below will help explain how the product was formulated. This isn't something that came about simply as another way to scheme and get more money out of us horse owners. It was created out of necessity by Dr. Schell to restore his own health and save his own life. It wasn't until he perfected the product on himself that he then made the product available to his customers, and then the public. It's backed by researched and tested by rehab cases, his customers, and himself. There are no "fillers", there are no sythetics, what you read on the package is what is in there. Allison, believe me, I know it truly sounds to good to be true, but it's not. It literally is the best thing i've ever done for a horse in my life. I hope you'll read these articles.
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/339-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/340-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations-part-two
Don't get me wrong- I don't think this guy is out there trying to fleece folks and I bet he stands behind his work.
Being in the science field I just like to look into the published research myself and know the details :)
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | barrelracr131 - 2015-09-09 2:55 PM Herbie - 2015-09-09 2:51 PM Dr. Schell is a cancer survivor, and after going through chemo, he still wasn't doing well, so he began researching herbs and treating himself. This is how the product began, and yes, he still takes these forumlas daily. I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any questions you may have without releasing the proprietary information and his sources for ingredients. The links below will help explain how the product was formulated. This isn't something that came about simply as another way to scheme and get more money out of us horse owners. It was created out of necessity by Dr. Schell to restore his own health and save his own life. It wasn't until he perfected the product on himself that he then made the product available to his customers, and then the public. It's backed by researched and tested by rehab cases, his customers, and himself. There are no "fillers", there are no sythetics, what you read on the package is what is in there. Allison, believe me, I know it truly sounds to good to be true, but it's not. It literally is the best thing i've ever done for a horse in my life. I hope you'll read these articles.
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/339-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/340-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations-part-two
Being in the science field I just like to look into the published research myself and know the details :)
Especially if I am investing some cash, as I am cheap cheap. lol
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Location: NE Texas | I tend to be more on the side of Allison. I work in the Marketing/merchandising industry, so I am fully aware of the power of a strong marketing or advertising campaign and tend to "roll my eyes" when I hear about the new miracle supplement, treatment, fad that's out there.....I have to see results....and extended positive results that are long lasting. Poor Dr. Schell had to endure me asking about 2000 questions over a span of about 3 weeks before I ever spent my first $1 there. Had it not been for google and me also doing my research on Curcurmin and the benefits of it, I would have never found this company. It's a very small company, and Dr. Schell mixes 99% of all of the product personally. With the big increase in interest and sales from us crazy barrel racers, they have been a bit overwhelmed.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Herbie - 2015-09-09 3:20 PM I tend to be more on the side of Allison. I work in the Marketing/merchandising industry, so I am fully aware of the power of a strong marketing or advertising campaign and tend to "roll my eyes" when I hear about the new miracle supplement, treatment, fad that's out there.....I have to see results....and extended positive results that are long lasting. Poor Dr. Schell had to endure me asking about 2000 questions over a span of about 3 weeks before I ever spent my first $1 there. Had it not been for google and me also doing my research on Curcurmin and the benefits of it, I would have never found this company. It's a very small company, and Dr. Schell mixes 99% of all of the product personally. With the big increase in interest and sales from us crazy barrel racers, they have been a bit overwhelmed. I was slightly amazed that my product shipped the next day.
Some people research things half to death, I like to experiment and make up my own mind. I wish I had kept a notebook of all the things I've tried over the years. At least half of them were BHW's fault.
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Location: NE Texas | Sandok - 2015-09-09 3:27 PM Has there been any long term studies done on this product?
Yes, there have. Dr. Schell has taken it himself for several years. There have been several horses that went through his practice when it was still open that were "rehab" horses he used for research in the development of the product. He continues to keep rehab horses in the barn and is able to test any new formulas on them. His daughter works full time in re-training these OTTB's once they are sound and gets them going nicely under saddle, both on the flat and over jumps. They then re-home the horses in hopes that the new owner will continue with the program. Some do and some don't. Those that don't end up with the same horse that came into the clinic. Those that do end up with a horse they can enjoy for many years, and still have Dr. Schell's expertise available as well if issues arise. | |
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Location: NE Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2015-09-09 3:25 PM Herbie - 2015-09-09 3:20 PM I tend to be more on the side of Allison. I work in the Marketing/merchandising industry, so I am fully aware of the power of a strong marketing or advertising campaign and tend to "roll my eyes" when I hear about the new miracle supplement, treatment, fad that's out there.....I have to see results....and extended positive results that are long lasting. Poor Dr. Schell had to endure me asking about 2000 questions over a span of about 3 weeks before I ever spent my first $1 there. Had it not been for google and me also doing my research on Curcurmin and the benefits of it, I would have never found this company. It's a very small company, and Dr. Schell mixes 99% of all of the product personally. With the big increase in interest and sales from us crazy barrel racers, they have been a bit overwhelmed. I was slightly amazed that my product shipped the next day.
Some people research things half to death, I like to experiment and make up my own mind. I wish I had kept a notebook of all the things I've tried over the years. At least half of them were BHW's fault.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2015-09-09 2:55 PM
Herbie - 2015-09-09 2:51 PM Dr. Schell is a cancer survivor, and after going through chemo, he still wasn't doing well, so he began researching herbs and treating himself. This is how the product began, and yes, he still takes these forumlas daily. I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any questions you may have without releasing the proprietary information and his sources for ingredients. The links below will help explain how the product was formulated. This isn't something that came about simply as another way to scheme and get more money out of us horse owners. It was created out of necessity by Dr. Schell to restore his own health and save his own life. It wasn't until he perfected the product on himself that he then made the product available to his customers, and then the public. It's backed by researched and tested by rehab cases, his customers, and himself. There are no "fillers", there are no sythetics, what you read on the package is what is in there. Allison, believe me, I know it truly sounds to good to be true, but it's not. It literally is the best thing i've ever done for a horse in my life. I hope you'll read these articles.
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/339-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/340-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations-part-two
Being in the science field I just like to look into the published research myself and know the details :)
Especially if I am investing some cash, as I am cheap cheap. lol
I agree. If I am going to spend $240 a month on one horse, I don't think it's asking too much to have the amounts of the ingredients disclosed. Several years back this message was hammered out with Bob and THE. Eventually he decided to take his product to a higher level of quality and list all the components along with the amount. I respect him for that. For all I know, the amounts of each component is a tiny homeopathic dose of what's required to achieve the desired effect. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Herbie - 2015-09-09 3:39 PM
Sandok - 2015-09-09 3:27 PM Has there been any long term studies done on this product?
Yes, there have. Dr. Schell has taken it himself for several years. There have been several horses that went through his practice when it was still open that were "rehab" horses he used for research in the development of the product. He continues to keep rehab horses in the barn and is able to test any new formulas on them. His daughter works full time in re-training these OTTB's once they are sound and gets them going nicely under saddle, both on the flat and over jumps. They then re-home the horses in hopes that the new owner will continue with the program. Some do and some don't. Those that don't end up with the same horse that came into the clinic. Those that do end up with a horse they can enjoy for many years, and still have Dr. Schell's expertise available as well if issues arise.
With all due respect, Herbie, this is anecdote, not research. | |
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| Bear - 2015-09-09 2:00 PM
Herbie - 2015-09-09 3:39 PM
Sandok - 2015-09-09 3:27 PM Has there been any long term studies done on this product?
Yes, there have. Dr. Schell has taken it himself for several years. There have been several horses that went through his practice when it was still open that were "rehab" horses he used for research in the development of the product. He continues to keep rehab horses in the barn and is able to test any new formulas on them. His daughter works full time in re-training these OTTB's once they are sound and gets them going nicely under saddle, both on the flat and over jumps. They then re-home the horses in hopes that the new owner will continue with the program. Some do and some don't. Those that don't end up with the same horse that came into the clinic. Those that do end up with a horse they can enjoy for many years, and still have Dr. Schell's expertise available as well if issues arise.
With all due respect, Herbie, this is anecdote, not research.
Here, this is very simple. If you don't want to use the product or believe in it, then don't. If you want to give it a go and see if your horse improves, then buy some and try it yourselves. Its really pretty simple. For me personally, I have put my two horses on it and have seen tremendous results. Just like Herbie. I could care less whats in it, cause its working. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | You can buy 1 Kg of 95% pure curcumin for $200. If you dose a horse with say 1000mg of curcumin, that would be 1000 doses.....rather than one month's supply, you would get 3 year's supply. One thing someone has already suggested is apparently curcumin is best absorbed when given with fats or oils. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-09-09 4:10 PM
Bear - 2015-09-09 2:00 PM
Herbie - 2015-09-09 3:39 PM
Sandok - 2015-09-09 3:27 PM Has there been any long term studies done on this product?
Yes, there have. Dr. Schell has taken it himself for several years. There have been several horses that went through his practice when it was still open that were "rehab" horses he used for research in the development of the product. He continues to keep rehab horses in the barn and is able to test any new formulas on them. His daughter works full time in re-training these OTTB's once they are sound and gets them going nicely under saddle, both on the flat and over jumps. They then re-home the horses in hopes that the new owner will continue with the program. Some do and some don't. Those that don't end up with the same horse that came into the clinic. Those that do end up with a horse they can enjoy for many years, and still have Dr. Schell's expertise available as well if issues arise.
With all due respect, Herbie, this is anecdote, not research.
Here, this is very simple. If you don't want to use the product or believe in it, then don't. If you want to give it a go and see if your horse improves, then buy some and try it yourselves. Its really pretty simple. For me personally, I have put my two horses on it and have seen tremendous results. Just like Herbie. I could care less whats in it, cause its working.
I didn't say it doesn't work. I think it might very well be a good thing, as I've already said. I'm just trying to add to the conversation by suggesting a cheaper, potentially equal alternative for people who can't afford to pay $250 a month for a supplement. I hope I'm not stepping on any toes. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bear - 2015-09-09 3:58 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-09-09 2:55 PM Herbie - 2015-09-09 2:51 PM Dr. Schell is a cancer survivor, and after going through chemo, he still wasn't doing well, so he began researching herbs and treating himself. This is how the product began, and yes, he still takes these forumlas daily. I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any questions you may have without releasing the proprietary information and his sources for ingredients. The links below will help explain how the product was formulated. This isn't something that came about simply as another way to scheme and get more money out of us horse owners. It was created out of necessity by Dr. Schell to restore his own health and save his own life. It wasn't until he perfected the product on himself that he then made the product available to his customers, and then the public. It's backed by researched and tested by rehab cases, his customers, and himself. There are no "fillers", there are no sythetics, what you read on the package is what is in there. Allison, believe me, I know it truly sounds to good to be true, but it's not. It literally is the best thing i've ever done for a horse in my life. I hope you'll read these articles.
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/339-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/340-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations-part-two
Being in the science field I just like to look into the published research myself and know the details :)
Especially if I am investing some cash, as I am cheap cheap. lol I agree. If I am going to spend $240 a month on one horse, I don't think it's asking too much to have the amounts of the ingredients disclosed. Several years back this message was hammered out with Bob and THE. Eventually he decided to take his product to a higher level of quality and list all the components along with the amount. I respect him for that. For all I know, the amounts of each component is a tiny homeopathic dose of what's required to achieve the desired effect.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-09-09 5:12 PM
Bear - 2015-09-09 3:58 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-09-09 2:55 PM Herbie - 2015-09-09 2:51 PM Dr. Schell is a cancer survivor, and after going through chemo, he still wasn't doing well, so he began researching herbs and treating himself. This is how the product began, and yes, he still takes these forumlas daily. I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any questions you may have without releasing the proprietary information and his sources for ingredients. The links below will help explain how the product was formulated. This isn't something that came about simply as another way to scheme and get more money out of us horse owners. It was created out of necessity by Dr. Schell to restore his own health and save his own life. It wasn't until he perfected the product on himself that he then made the product available to his customers, and then the public. It's backed by researched and tested by rehab cases, his customers, and himself. There are no "fillers", there are no sythetics, what you read on the package is what is in there. Allison, believe me, I know it truly sounds to good to be true, but it's not. It literally is the best thing i've ever done for a horse in my life. I hope you'll read these articles.
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/339-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/340-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations-part-two
Being in the science field I just like to look into the published research myself and know the details :)
Especially if I am investing some cash, as I am cheap cheap. lol I agree. If I am going to spend $240 a month on one horse, I don't think it's asking too much to have the amounts of the ingredients disclosed. Several years back this message was hammered out with Bob and THE. Eventually he decided to take his product to a higher level of quality and list all the components along with the amount. I respect him for that. For all I know, the amounts of each component is a tiny homeopathic dose of what's required to achieve the desired effect.
You can do an analytical assay of any of these supplements and determine what's in them, so that argument really doesn't pass muster. Things like gas chromatography, liquid chromatography, etc.... You can take any substance and determine precisely what's in it, and how much. | |
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Location: NE Texas | Bear - 2015-09-09 4:00 PM Herbie - 2015-09-09 3:39 PM Sandok - 2015-09-09 3:27 PM Has there been any long term studies done on this product? Yes, there have. Dr. Schell has taken it himself for several years. There have been several horses that went through his practice when it was still open that were "rehab" horses he used for research in the development of the product. He continues to keep rehab horses in the barn and is able to test any new formulas on them. His daughter works full time in re-training these OTTB's once they are sound and gets them going nicely under saddle, both on the flat and over jumps. They then re-home the horses in hopes that the new owner will continue with the program. Some do and some don't. Those that don't end up with the same horse that came into the clinic. Those that do end up with a horse they can enjoy for many years, and still have Dr. Schell's expertise available as well if issues arise. With all due respect, Herbie, this is anecdote, not research.
Not stepping on any toes here, Bear, I appreciate the discussion. Regarding your comment regarding this being anecdote rather than research, I would tend to disagree. In a controlled environment, ones own personal clinic, where blood samples and fecal samples and evaluated regularly, both short term and long term, radiograph, ultrasound, hands on evaluation of the patient, etc are available and utilized daily, how is that not considered viable research?
As as for the blend, I certainly wouldn't release my ratios, as the likelihood of the prouct being duplicated is increased. Yes, one could send a sample off to a lab for evaluation, but this is very time consuming and expensive, otherwise we wouldn't have such an issue at the race tracks keeping up with testing for foreign substances. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Herbie - 2015-09-09 6:57 PM
Bear - 2015-09-09 4:00 PM Herbie - 2015-09-09 3:39 PM Sandok - 2015-09-09 3:27 PM Has there been any long term studies done on this product? Yes, there have. Dr. Schell has taken it himself for several years. There have been several horses that went through his practice when it was still open that were "rehab" horses he used for research in the development of the product. He continues to keep rehab horses in the barn and is able to test any new formulas on them. His daughter works full time in re-training these OTTB's once they are sound and gets them going nicely under saddle, both on the flat and over jumps. They then re-home the horses in hopes that the new owner will continue with the program. Some do and some don't. Those that don't end up with the same horse that came into the clinic. Those that do end up with a horse they can enjoy for many years, and still have Dr. Schell's expertise available as well if issues arise. With all due respect, Herbie, this is anecdote, not research.
As as for the blend, I certainly wouldn't release my ratios, as the likelihood of the prouct being duplicated is increased. Yes, one could send a sample off to a lab for evaluation, but this is very time consuming and expensive, otherwise we wouldn't have such an issue at the race tracks keeping up with testing for foreign substances.
What you describe is not research. To a lay person, it may appear like research. It's not within the purview of a thread on BHW to go into a long detailed description on what constitutes valid, scientifically sound, research. That information is available.
I'm saying that if I am going to spend $250 a month on one horse for a mixture of curcumin and vitamins and amino acids, I would like to know how much curcumin is in a recommended daily dose. For all I know, it's 50 mg...or it could be 2000 mg. Big difference. I can get vitamins and curcumin for a few bucks a month. I'm NOT saying it's a bad product. I'm only asking for something reasonable.
Herbie, are you selling this product?
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | No sir, I do not sell the product, nor do i receive any compensation or commission for anyone who chooses to go this route. I am simply a very satisfied customer who has reaped the benefits of using it after literally having no other options for my horse and about to have to make a very tough decision. The results I have witnessed have been so dramatic that I felt it would be a disservice to my fellow barrel racers not to share this information.
Imo, this is research, and documentable, but I'm just a lay person who tries to educate myself as best I can with the tools available. I'm certainly no expert on the specifics as to what does or does not qualify under the definition.
You may very well be able to buy vitamins and curcurmin and achieve the same results, I doubt it but maybe. I choose to leave that up to the experts and purchase the product through them, as they have done the leg work, spent the money to develop, and produce, and the results have been exponential for me and now others.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Herbie - 2015-09-09 7:43 PM
No sir, I do not sell the product, nor do i receive any compensation or commission for anyone who chooses to go this route. I am simply a very satisfied customer who has reaped the benefits of using it after literally having no other options for my horse and about to have to make a very tough decision. The results I have witnessed have been so dramatic that I felt it would be a disservice to my fellow barrel racers not to share this information.
Imo, this is research, and documentable, but I'm just a lay person who tries to educate myself as best I can with the tools available. I'm certainly no expert on the specifics as to what does or does not qualify under the definition.
You may very well be able to buy vitamins and curcurmin and achieve the same results, I doubt it but maybe. I choose to leave that up to the experts and purchase the product through them, as they have done the leg work, spent the money to develop, and produce, and the results have been exponential for me and now others.
I get it, and I respect you. I'm just presenting a far cheaper alternative worth considering for folks who would rather pay over $200 less for the same outcome. I don't really have a dog in this fight, other than a desire to be helpful. I've heard a LOT of good stories from people who have used turmeric as well, both human and equine....so I too have anecdotes. Turmeric is cheap. Vegetable oil/ soya oil is cheap. I'd suggest trying those first. The cheap bulk turmeric is, IMO better than this product, because you know how much you are giving....plus it's cheaper. | |
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Location: NE Texas | No disrespect taken, Bear. Only way to compare if one is "better" than the other would be to compare two animals/humans with exactly the same symptoms in a blind study. Certainly no denying the value of turmeric combined with oil and Pepperdine. What works for some won't always work for others, I am simply sharing my experiences in order to give others hope when there seemingly isn't any left.
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| BobbieL - 2015-09-09 8:25 PM What benefits have you gotten with the HU ultimate? I'm looking at trying something for me first. Allergies Stress Muscles soreness
i will chime in here...
i am not sure how but Herbie recommended it to me for my horse....
now i am with you and if it doesnt work for me i am not going to spend the money for my horse.... i have a bone spur in my shoulder, 2 spurs in my back, my discs are almost gone in L2, L3, L4. i have arthritis in my right ankle from a very bad break.... i have broken soo many bones... not weak bones it is that your body can only take so much. i have been beat to hell to put it mildly... so i have been taking the ultimate and the pure...
my low back will still go out in the wrong circumstance.... and yes i still have some pain.... but i do not want to go with out these products... with that said do not over do the ultimate.. the greens in it will have you not leaving the toilet.... it is not the best tasting stuff but put it in the blender with orange juice and a banana and all is ok..... i thought well maybe i am just on a good spell and quit taking it..... yep the inflammation in my body came back in a couple of days....
now with all said about how well i love it.... i too should have kept a journal of all the products i have tried over the years....and i am sure this product will not yield the same results to everybody that tries it...
as far as the ingredients being comparable to other products. well i believe some are digestible and some are not.... i have also tried the "other" product that everyone else on this board loves... tried for myself and my horse and did not see any results for either.... i am not saying bad product just not right for me.... | |
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Location: Midwest | I did get a response from Dr. Schell. I'll post it here when I get to a computer.
Btw, I respect you a lot herbie, and I do believe the product works. Price in it is a deal breaker for me as I'm not having any issues with mine, and I'm cheap cheap. Lol
That being said I do enjoy learning about new products, especially ones that seem to have dramatic results.
As a scientist I feel that studies are extremely important. Curcumin is not new and has research that shows it is a promising chemical for human use.
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Location: Midwest | This was his response (I basically C&P'd the questions I asked on PG 2). He also sent me 6 papers he has written and said are peer reviewed. I haven't looked at them yet, but I will soon. If anyone would like me to forward them along, PM me your email.
Hi Alison, Thank you for your email inquiry regarding our Cur-OST formulas. They are proprietary blends and exact levels of the ingredients are not listed on the labels. The blends are created or were created in our years of veterinary experience, putting together and researching synergism between herbs to accomplish certain tasks regarding health. Given this, we provide pretty high levels of the herbs found in the formulas, actually much higher than average, as our goal is to obtain results clinically in the patients. We do keep the levels of each ingredient confidential due to proprietary reasons and years of formula research and development. In regards to the mushroom blends we use, we focus on 7 main mushrooms including Agaricus, Cordyceps, Lentinula, Grifola, Gandoderma, Coriolus and Poria. Again, the levels are based on our proprietary blend. You can look at each product online and click on the specification tab below the product photo, which will give you more information regarding the label and ingredients contained. In regards to sources for our ingredients, they vary dependent on the ingredient, but each are tested routinely for bacterial levels and heavy metals to suit our specifications, which are quite rigid. I hope this helps. If I can assist further, please let me know. Thank you. Tom Schell, D.V.M. Nouvelle Research, Inc. | |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Asking my sister about some of the stuff going on with this product. She's a pharmacist. I'm always skeptical about any herbal blends. Most of the stuff I'm going to give is going to be amino acid, vitamin/mineral based. My sister calls these the building blocks and so long as they are at good healthy levels most horses do great. But I'm curious about this. I love to do research too. :) I'm not anti alternative. I believe highly in acupuncture for certain purposes and am a big massage fan (I give my horses liniment massages somewhat regularly). These have worked great for three of my horses. I'm on the fence with magnets but willing to try (that's a one time cost thing anyway) and of course BOT helps with heat which can be helpful so long as you are careful about the context in which you use it. Huge fan of icing too. I'm also saving up to get my own TQ Solo laser (so wish I could have got hubby to buy the one last year for $1200 on ebay but he was on the fence--now they are 2500).
And as I'm writing this she sends me like 7 peer-reviewed articles. Well I'm off to read and report back. . .
ETA: She says it works like resveratrol from red wine. I would love it if red wine could cure my inflammation.
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Location: NE Texas | BobbieL, I orginally started taking the product to help with some GI problems I was having. IBS symptoms, to which I have been to the doctor and have taken medication for, as well as allergy issues, and other pain issues from old injuries and surgeries. I have noticed a big improvement in my GI issues and am actually "regular" (sorry, TMI), my allergy issues are much improved as well and I have only bought one box of allergy meds this year and still have one sleeve in my purse in case of emergency, but haven't taken an allergy pill since early may. I'm a pretty low stress person anyway, so I haven't noticed a reduction in my stress, so I can't comment on that. Hope this helps. There are several others who have begun using the product for more serious issues than mine with good results, and they may be better at answering these questions than me.
There is a lady I work with (non horse person, and certainly not a BHW reader) who has fibromyalgia and sees a specialist in the metroplex for the condition. She has been on all kinds of different medications for years and suffered many side effects from the various medications. There was a week when she couldn't even get out of bed to come to work due to the pain. I sent her the website and shared my story about the results I have experienced with my horse and left it at that. Never checked back with her. Yesterday she came in and said she just wanted to thank me. She has been on the product for two weeks and has been able to taper off her medication and said she feels like she could completely get off of it, but she's scared to, which I completely understand! | |
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Location: NE Texas | I am certainly no experct on this subject, but did do my homework before purchasing my first bag of product regarding the differences between curcurmin and tumeric and the efficacy of both. I read as much as I could to try to educate myself on tumeric and curcurmin and the differences from a health perspective. I even bought bulk tumeric (which I still have 90% of if someone would like it). French's mustard is what got me on this journey to begin with, then researching the ingredients of it, then researching tumeric, then curcurmin. I didn't stumble across the Cur-OST site until later when I began researching BCM-95 curcurmin and the increased absorption rate (96% as compared to the 50 - 60% of pure curcurmin, turmeric is much lower than that, as it only contains 2 - 5% of pure curcurmin). The health benefits are coming from the curcurmin in the tumeric, not vice versa. So yes, there are likely some health benefits received from supplementing tumeric combined with a fat/oil and cracked pepper or pepperdine, but the benefits are multiplied when using BCM-95 curcurmin due to the increased absorption. I will attach a few articles below that I saved when doing my research several months ago.
http://www.curcuminforhealth.com/the-difference-between-turmeric-and-curcumin/
http://www.lifeextension.com/Magazine/2007/10/report_curcumin/Page-01
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| Herbie - 2015-09-09 8:10 PM No disrespect taken, Bear. Only way to compare if one is "better" than the other would be to compare two animals/humans with exactly the same symptoms in a blind study. Certainly no denying the value of turmeric combined with oil and Pepperdine. What works for some won't always work for others, I am simply sharing my experiences in order to give others hope when there seemingly isn't any left.
So after reading all of this .... I really think the Dr should run a true clinical trial. I know that it's been done with Platinum with great success. I believe THE has also published - both in scientific peer reviewed journals.
The credibility of the product goes WAY up when published in a peer reviewed journal - heck, it can be something as simple as PLOS ONE which doesn't require University or Federal grants, but does require you to disclose where your funding originated as well as demonstrate scientific evidence with your project. Or he could even submit to the Journal of Equine Veterinary Science which regularly publishes reserach on feed stuffs, ulcers, etc. You don't have to have a bunch of letters after your name to produce sound science or publish it.
Here's the basics of why I would considered paying tripple what I pay now (I feed Platinum daily now) if there was a clinical trial -
1) Credibility - When publishing in a peer reviewed journal, your science is reviewed and found to be sound. Customers know that without a doubt, the product works.
2) The statistics are found to be sound - so by having a "group" of 6 or more animals with similar issues you have replicates that can be compared and data that can be analyzed properly.
3) Heck, you can charge MORE if you so desire for the same product
4) Your product can be FDA approved and can legally sell overseas and cross country borders
5) I can compare between published papers and decide for myself which product I like better - the evidence then is no longer "observational" or ancedotal, it is sound fact.
Basically, what I'm saying, is that Bear has a point with publishing real, non-ancedotal science on the product. I know lots of people are using these products, so it wouldn't be hard for the company to recruit animals for a proper study. He could honestly either pay them in cash or pay them in product (both have been done before). | |
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-09-10 5:48 AM
This was his response (I basically C&P'd the questions I asked on PG 2). He also sent me 6 papers he has written and said are peer reviewed. I haven't looked at them yet, but I will soon. If anyone would like me to forward them along, PM me your email. Hi Alison, Thank you for your email inquiry regarding our Cur-OST formulas. They are proprietary blends and exact levels of the ingredients are not listed on the labels. The blends are created or were created in our years of veterinary experience, putting together and researching synergism between herbs to accomplish certain tasks regarding health. Given this, we provide pretty high levels of the herbs found in the formulas, actually much higher than average, as our goal is to obtain results clinically in the patients. We do keep the levels of each ingredient confidential due to proprietary reasons and years of formula research and development. In regards to the mushroom blends we use, we focus on 7 main mushrooms including Agaricus, Cordyceps, Lentinula, Grifola, Gandoderma, Coriolus and Poria. Again, the levels are based on our proprietary blend. You can look at each product online and click on the specification tab below the product photo, which will give you more information regarding the label and ingredients contained. In regards to sources for our ingredients, they vary dependent on the ingredient, but each are tested routinely for bacterial levels and heavy metals to suit our specifications, which are quite rigid. I hope this helps. If I can assist further, please let me know. Thank you. Tom Schell, D.V.M. Nouvelle Research, Inc.
THey do have blends that are not as expensive. Like the Green. I started with that. THen I decided that both my horses deserved the TOTAL SUPPORT. One has issues, one doesn't. I calculated that an ounce of prevention is key here. If I can keep my 4 year old inflammation free, hind gut healthy from the time he is 4 then he might retire sound when he is 30. Vet costs for injections etc are FAR MORE expensive than Curost. I teach High school so not made of money but I will sacrifice so my horses have the best since I am demanding that they destroy their body running barrels doing something it was NOT designed to do. Horses were NOT MEANT to run barrels or have their bodies do what we ask of them... They did not ask to be even trail horses. They give me 100% and I am giving them 100% back./ | |
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| lindseylou2290 - 2015-09-10 7:31 AM
Herbie - 2015-09-09 8:10 PM No disrespect taken, Bear. Only way to compare if one is "better" than the other would be to compare two animals/humans with exactly the same symptoms in a blind study. Certainly no denying the value of turmeric combined with oil and Pepperdine. What works for some won't always work for others, I am simply sharing my experiences in order to give others hope when there seemingly isn't any left.
So after reading all of this .... I really think the Dr should run a true clinical trial. I know that it's been done with Platinum with great success. I believe THE has also published - both in scientific peer reviewed journals.
The credibility of the product goes WAY up when published in a peer reviewed journal - heck, it can be something as simple as PLOS ONE which doesn't require University or Federal grants, but does require you to disclose where your funding originated as well as demonstrate scientific evidence with your project. Or he could even submit to the Journal of Equine Veterinary Science which regularly publishes reserach on feed stuffs, ulcers, etc. You don't have to have a bunch of letters after your name to produce sound science or publish it.
Here's the basics of why I would considered paying tripple what I pay now (I feed Platinum daily now) if there was a clinical trial -
1) Credibility - When publishing in a peer reviewed journal, your science is reviewed and found to be sound. Customers know that without a doubt, the product works.
2) The statistics are found to be sound - so by having a "group" of 6 or more animals with similar issues you have replicates that can be compared and data that can be analyzed properly.
3) Heck, you can charge MORE if you so desire for the same product
4) Your product can be FDA approved and can legally sell overseas and cross country borders
5) I can compare between published papers and decide for myself which product I like better - the evidence then is no longer "observational" or ancedotal, it is sound fact.
Basically, what I'm saying, is that Bear has a point with publishing real, non-ancedotal science on the product. I know lots of people are using these products, so it wouldn't be hard for the company to recruit animals for a proper study. He could honestly either pay them in cash or pay them in product (both have been done before).
From what I understand the product is selling like crazy and doing very well, I hope there is no clinical trial. Thats when it gets expensive and the consumer ends up paying for the trial and FDA approval. Adequan probably costs 10.00 a dose but the trials and FDA have made it expensive.. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Cur Ost offers bulk curcumin (95% pure) at 61.50 for 100 grams. I randomly found a site that offers the exact same thing for about $205 for 1 Kg (1000 grams). So....buy it from Cur Ost for $615.00/kg versus $205. If it were me, I would go that route first, before taking the plunge at $250 per month. This stuff would surely last several months, probably much longer.
Nobody really knows for sure how much is enough. From what I've read, it looks like 1 tablespoon a day is plenty.
http://www.bulksupplements.com/curcumin-turmeric-extract.html
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I'm not suggesting this stuff should be FDA approved. I'm a stickler when I read claims that something has ostensibly been "scientifically proven". I take that claim seriously....not at face value. When I'm considering a product, particularly a costly one, I want to see how they arrive at the conclusion that the product they are peddling passes muster. I will take individual anecdotal claims under consideration, depending on that person's trustworthiness.....and I trust Herbie, but if it's expensive, I prefer more than that. Also, I don't place as much value on results in laboratory rats as I do in the "Gold Standard", specifically, double blind, randomized clinical trials. Curcumin has shown promise in such trials in race horses.
In humans, what sparked my interest in curcumin was after I attended a Mayo Clinic seminar in Internal Medicine. Mayo doesn't promote quackery.
They touted the potential benefits of turmeric, of which curcumin is said to be the active ingredient.
Years back, because of rather weak scientific evidence of efficacy in humans, everyone in medicine jumped on the Glucosamine/chondroitin bandwagon and started recommending it. Subsequently it was shown not to be beneficial to any significant extent in humans...thanks to clinical trials.
My point is that saying we should not investigate these things because of the "added cost" is a cop out. I don't buy it, and neither should you, particularly if it's going to cost $250 a month.
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Location: Midwest | Bear - 2015-09-10 10:29 AM I'm not suggesting this stuff should be FDA approved. I'm a stickler when I read claims that something has ostensibly been "scientifically proven". I take that claim seriously....not at face value. When I'm considering a product, particularly a costly one, I want to see how they arrive at the conclusion that the product they are peddling passes muster. I will take individual anecdotal claims under consideration, depending on that person's trustworthiness.....and I trust Herbie, but if it's expensive, I prefer more than that. Also, I don't place as much value on results in laboratory rats as I do in the "Gold Standard", specifically, double blind, randomized clinical trials. Curcumin has shown promise in such trials in race horses. In humans, what sparked my interest in curcumin was after I attended a Mayo Clinic seminar in Internal Medicine. Mayo doesn't promote quackery. They touted the potential benefits of turmeric, of which curcumin is said to be the active ingredient. Years back, because of rather weak scientific evidence of efficacy in humans, everyone in medicine jumped on the Glucosamine/chondroitin bandwagon and started recommending it. Subsequently it was shown not to be beneficial to any significant extent in humans...thanks to clinical trials. My point is that saying we should not investigate these things because of the "added cost" is a cop out. I don't buy it, and neither should you, particularly if it's going to cost $250 a month.
I agree. I did read his papers, and while they are published in a holistic veterinary medicine journal, the primary investigator is the creator of the supplement, and the paper deals with the specific supplement at hand, which he is selling. That is a huge conflict of interest, and probably prohibits publication in most veterinary journals.
I would love to see some research done by an independent firm on this product, or any curcumin product, in horses. Research establishing standard dosages would prevent waste or possible harm from overdosing (see http://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/content/91/2/476.full).
Overall I feel the product has promise, but I personally will take other routes to address any issues that might come up in my horse's health at this time due to the cost.
For those saying research is not neccessary- respectfully, I disagree. Research is simply investigation. It seeks to remove observer bias by using evidence that can be measured. I know I personally am apt to see something "working" if I have just spent money on it. There are plenty of studies that support the observer bias, if you are interested in this psychological phenomenon. Every procedure or supplement can benefit from research investigations (although their sales may not). Another important thing studies accomplish is to identify any possible drug interactions (as herbs are most certainly drugs), as well as indentifying any possible side effects that could occur from short or long term use.
I personally will try products if they are affordable and do not have significant research backing them- but when my horse is having no issues and this supplement costs more than his board, I tap out.
Currently, there is no real incentive for supplement companies to do clinicial trials as they have everything to lose and not much to gain, as the industry has few regulations. (The same goes for human supplements).
Herbie- I am really glad you found something that helped your horse. I know he was not doing well and you were nearing the end of your rope. I personally would not be averse to trying it if I was out of options (as you were), but the price point of 100+ or more a month is too much for me (when my horse is doing well on my current program, which is much less costly).
I do hope the company performs research and perhaps utilizes an independent firm. That would go a long way for me and would also open up the possibility for increasing efficacy of this product and clearly defining it's medicinal properties and biological pathways. My interest is piqued, but I'd like to see more. | |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | So I have read the multiple studies my sister sent me and we had a discussion again about some of the effects of curcumin. She did say there are some studies showing benefits to multiple types of inflammation in the body from this material, which I pretty much was already aware of.
That being said, as she pointed out and Herbie too, it is not a very bioavailable type of natural product. She recommended purchasing therapeutic quality concentrated curcumin direct from a manufacturer, and yes, giving it with oil to make it more bioavailable.
From what I could see, it is part of the polyphenol class, and works primarily as an antioxidant (similar to substances in blueberries and green tea). Most of its anti-inflammatory properties seem to derive with its method of action that controls osmosis across cell walls and regulates AQP substances in the body.
However, she did note that most polyphenols act in a similar way, not just curcumin. One of the studies showed a worsening in cases of lupus among human patients so it can be dangerous in certain circumstances.
She said of all polyphenols, resveratrol is the best studied and most effective anti-inflammatory and can also be purchased in more concentrated form from manufacturers.
It should always be noted that herbal remedies of any sort do not always play well with other medications and have other things in them that can be toxic over time besides the active ingredient being targeted. A purified concentrated form from a human therapeutic level manufacturer is the best way to give such products.
I think Cur-Ost might be a good thing to try in some circumstances but like Bear, I'd be trying the concentrated curcumin, or maybe resveratrol, first. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2015-09-10 10:52 AM
Bear - 2015-09-10 10:29 AM I'm not suggesting this stuff should be FDA approved. I'm a stickler when I read claims that something has ostensibly been "scientifically proven". I take that claim seriously....not at face value. When I'm considering a product, particularly a costly one, I want to see how they arrive at the conclusion that the product they are peddling passes muster. I will take individual anecdotal claims under consideration, depending on that person's trustworthiness.....and I trust Herbie, but if it's expensive, I prefer more than that. Also, I don't place as much value on results in laboratory rats as I do in the "Gold Standard", specifically, double blind, randomized clinical trials. Curcumin has shown promise in such trials in race horses. In humans, what sparked my interest in curcumin was after I attended a Mayo Clinic seminar in Internal Medicine. Mayo doesn't promote quackery. They touted the potential benefits of turmeric, of which curcumin is said to be the active ingredient. Years back, because of rather weak scientific evidence of efficacy in humans, everyone in medicine jumped on the Glucosamine/chondroitin bandwagon and started recommending it. Subsequently it was shown not to be beneficial to any significant extent in humans...thanks to clinical trials. My point is that saying we should not investigate these things because of the "added cost" is a cop out. I don't buy it, and neither should you, particularly if it's going to cost $250 a month.
I agree. I did read his papers, and while they are published in a holistic veterinary medicine journal, the primary investigator is the creator of the supplement, and the paper deals with the specific supplement at hand, which he is selling. That is a huge conflict of interest, and probably prohibits publication in most veterinary journals.
I would love to see some research done by an independent firm on this product, or any curcumin product, in horses. Research establishing standard dosages would prevent waste or possible harm from overdosing (see http://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/content/91/2/476.full).
Overall I feel the product has promise, but I personally will take other routes to address any issues that might come up in my horse's health at this time due to the cost.
For those saying research is not neccessary- respectfully, I disagree. Research is simply investigation. It seeks to remove observer bias by using evidence that can be measured. I know I personally am apt to see something "working" if I have just spent money on it. There are plenty of studies that support the observer bias, if you are interested in this psychological phenomenon. Every procedure or supplement can benefit from research investigations (although their sales may not). Another important thing studies accomplish is to identify any possible drug interactions (as herbs are most certainly drugs), as well as indentifying any possible side effects that could occur from short or long term use.
I personally will try products if they are affordable and do not have significant research backing them- but when my horse is having no issues and this supplement costs more than his board, I tap out.
Currently, there is no real incentive for supplement companies to do clinicial trials as they have everything to lose and not much to gain, as the industry has few regulations. (The same goes for human supplements).
Herbie- I am really glad you found something that helped your horse. I know he was not doing well and you were nearing the end of your rope. I personally would not be averse to trying it if I was out of options (as you were), but the price point of 100+ or more a month is too much for me (when my horse is doing well on my current program, which is much less costly).
I do hope the company performs research and perhaps utilizes an independent firm. That would go a long way for me and would also open up the possibility for increasing efficacy of this product and clearly defining it's medicinal properties and biological pathways. My interest is piqued, but I'd like to see more.
Very well stated. I agree.
This has been an excellent thread. I've learned a few things, and I hope others have as well. | |
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| I teach advanced placement psychology ( College level psychology, PhD. Student). And I am well aware of Observer bias. However, my horse was coughing uncontrollably before the use of this product and took forever to cool out after a run and get his "Air" back. After starting it, no cough, and less cool off time, no lameness, no need to use previcox daily or joint injections or ventipulman when he runs, I can't make that stuff up. I wish I could " Wish" it to happen at a much cheaper price.. lol | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-09-10 2:05 PM I teach advanced placement psychology ( College level psychology, PhD. Student). And I am well aware of Observer bias. However, my horse was coughing uncontrollably before the use of this product and took forever to cool out after a run and get his "Air" back. After starting it, no cough, and less cool off time, no lameness, no need to use previcox daily or joint injections or ventipulman when he runs, I can't make that stuff up. I wish I could " Wish" it to happen at a much cheaper price.. lol
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-09-10 2:05 PM
I teach advanced placement psychology ( College level psychology, PhD. Student). And I am well aware of Observer bias. However, my horse was coughing uncontrollably before the use of this product and took forever to cool out after a run and get his "Air" back. After starting it, no cough, and less cool off time, no lameness, no need to use previcox daily or joint injections or ventipulman when he runs, I can't make that stuff up. I wish I could " Wish" it to happen at a much cheaper price.. lol
I believe you. What did you try before Cur Ost? We have a few horses with nagging coughs as well. | |
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Location: NE Texas | Let's see here. My horse is only 5 and I have been successfully "band-aiding" this issue since he was a yearling. Up until this past winter it was somewhat maintable, or so I thought, but he was a pickle to be around. We didn't call him Tricky Ricky for nothing. He was always ill mannered, hated to be brushed, cold backed, and just an overall jerk. He isn't like that anymore at all, so I now know he had other inflammatory issues going on beyond the allergies despite constantly being on an ulcer preventative or medication as well, which I also no longer need. My goal was not to list all of the products I have used specifically used that were ineffective, as I didn't want to step on anyone's toes here who may use or sell these products, but since you asked.
1.) Lung Aid - had the best success with this as far as diminishing allergy problems, he stayed on it while at the track as a 3 YO and he was on this product when he became so ill
2.) Silver Lining Resp Support - gave it 60 days with no improvement
3.) Wind Aid - used pre exercise to help open airways
4.) Some liquid stuff in a glass bottle that I heard about on here. Can't remember name - 30 days, conditions worsened, went back to Lung Aid
5.) Tri-Hist/Ani-Hist - No improvement
6.) THE Equine Edge custom blend - 60 days with no improvement, went back to Lung Aid, though I have used Equine Edge with Gastroplus an Muscle Mass in years past with improvement on other horses
7.) Ventipulmin - Doses as high as 8 cc per day
8.) Dexamethasone- Daily
9.) Two rounds of antibiotics (tucuprim)
10.) Prednisone injections
11.) Nebulizer for inhaled medications
12.) Mustard - showed improvement but not enough
13.) Equine Regen - 30 days with no improvement
12.) Cur-OST - complete turn around in 14 days, but I followed the suggestions of Dr. Schell to a T
Bear, I know you're an educated guy and I respect you and your practice, but please respect the fact that I, too, also have a great education, am a good business woman, and pride myself in being a dang good horse woman. No one has asked you to purchase this product, and yes, I agree it is expensive, and there is likely a good markup, as there should be and is with any company we buy from. I just can't put my finger on why you're trying so fervently to prove it isn't what this vet claims it to be. No one has asked you to purchase the product, no one has asked you to evaluate it, no one has even asked your opinion. Do you feel the need to try to save us money by offering another option? I appreciate that, I really do, and i've already looked into that on my own. Like I said, I have a full box of tumeric powder if anyone wants it. I did try it, and did get very minimal improvement, just not enough improvement to get me where I needed to be and get my horse out of distress. I didn't go into this blindly, I researched and studied each ingredient in the product, that is why I sound like a "paid advertisement" is because I have done my homework, not because i'm copying and pasting something i've heard someone else say. If I do copy and paste, I will quote that person and give them credit.
I'm not a self promotor, and I think most on here would agree that I don't get involved in the arguments or the debates that are often circulating, I don't like to stir the pot, i'm not all the time tooting about this or that, I don't do facebook because I don't like the drama, I just like to discuss things with my friends and share our experiences. I have to wonder if you chastise all feed/supplement companies you buy, or consider buying from with this banter, or if it's just the cost of the Cur-OST that's got you upset? I spent over $5000 in 3 months on vets in 2 different states along with medications prior to this, had custom formulas made from companies you've praised, and was at my wits end, so honestly I was relieved at the thought of the cost of the Total Support only.....eventually. It's all relative and to each his own here. There are certainly less costly ways to implement this program on a horse with no current issues, through the Green or cutting the Total in half, if one chose to do so.
I'm getting the feeling that you're a "It's my opinion and it should be yours" kind of guy, similar to my father, so it's important that you be right and there is no ending this until I (and others) concede. OK, you got it. I concede, despite the fact you have contradicted yourself on this thread. Bottom line, there may be a better way in a curcurmin blend, you're right, we're always leanring! But I have personally used the recommendation you've claimed is sufficient in this thread, and it's not even comparable. May be enough to sustain a horse with minimal inflammatory conditions, but will not improve a chronic issue enough to restore health.
You have taken the fun out of this discussion for me personally unfortunately and we can't even enjoy sharing anymore for your constant analyzation or every word we say, and that is unfortunate, as while this program may not be for you, it is for me and others are also seeing these same results. I admittedly thought maybe my horse was a fluke and it was a miracle, because I sure prayed for one daily, but now others are seeing the same dramatic improvements. I have my horse back, a horse who they said would surely never compete again and would likely not be able to sustain life if not improved, and you can bet i'm going to share that information with with anyone who will listen....and some that won't. That being said, I don't care what journal he's published in, I don't need to know the proprietary blend, I am satisfied with the research that has been done. Naive....maybe, but i'm one happy, happy customer.
With that, i'm out. Please excuse me while I sip on my snake oil and get back to my rotisserie cooker and slap chop.
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| I just wanted to thank Rachellyn80 and Herbie for all the research you have shared with us on this forum. I have completely revamped my feed program and with the Cur-Ost supplements my horse is returning to full health. I cannot tell you how grateful I am to you two!  | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Herbie, where have I contradicted myself on this thread? Maybe I did. If so, please point it out, so I can make a correction or clarification.
I believe you have been through hell with that horse, and I would probably would have done exactly as you have. I would have reached the end of my rope and I would have tried it myself.
I would hope that I've contributed positively to this discussion, at least as far as some are concerned, by suggesting some might want to give pure curcumin a try, and save $$ at the same time. There's always the more expensive option out there. As far as the doctor making a profit, I absolutely love it! This exchange of ideas and opinions is all part of a free market society. Your personal comments comparing me to your father really weren't necessary, and your implications that I have ruined this thread weren't necessary either, but if it makes you feel better. It's the differing opinions that separates a thread from becoming an infomercial. | |
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Location: Midwest | One of the main reasons I'd like to see studies published in mainstream veterinary journals is because you all have seen some dramatic results.
Further study can spread the word to people in the veterinary field, ultimately helping more horses that had issues like Ricky that were not helped by the traditional treatments, which would be a very good thing.
It could also lead to more information and perhaps additions to the formula which would have the potential to increase efficacy.
I hope I have not offended you Herbie as that was absolutely never my intention. I believe you when you say it worked for you. Just because something is not fitting my program or pocketbook does not mean I'm denouncing those that use it. | |
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I just wanted to thank Rachellyn80 and Herbie for sharing your results and experiences.
I'm trying the HU Ultimate and will go from there. I appreciate you sharing what you have learned so others like myself don't have to. I will update on my results once I get it.
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| I have issues I posted in another thread so I've really been looking/reading into a new supplement option. Just like all the others the basic green option of CurOst is $2.00 a day to feed without even seeing what shipping is calculating Out of my budget (If 
Hijack - I know this is not the only supplement that costs that much but are people spending about $250-300 ($2/day supplement + hay + salt and water) a horse a month with supplements and feed???? | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Herbie and I have talked back and forth extensively on the horse she is talking about for 2 years. I'm beyond thrilled she has found something that is working!
I know exactly how she feels as I went through the same type of thing with my FWF gelding back in 2005. My miracle was THE and hers has been Cur Ost.
If people would start to add up all the supplements and vet work they do on some of their horses they would probably choke. Nothing is cheap anymore but an expensive product becomes cheap when it works and cheap products become expensive when they don't. The only reason I'm not going to try it is because my horse doesn't have any real problems as the program he is on is working but if I felt a need...I wouldn't hesitate one bit. | |
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Location: Arkansas | FLITASTIC - 2015-09-10 9:46 AM
barrelracr131 - 2015-09-10 5:48 AM
This was his response (I basically C&P'd the questions I asked on PG 2). He also sent me 6 papers he has written and said are peer reviewed. I haven't looked at them yet, but I will soon. If anyone would like me to forward them along, PM me your email. Hi Alison, Thank you for your email inquiry regarding our Cur-OST formulas. They are proprietary blends and exact levels of the ingredients are not listed on the labels. The blends are created or were created in our years of veterinary experience, putting together and researching synergism between herbs to accomplish certain tasks regarding health. Given this, we provide pretty high levels of the herbs found in the formulas, actually much higher than average, as our goal is to obtain results clinically in the patients. We do keep the levels of each ingredient confidential due to proprietary reasons and years of formula research and development. In regards to the mushroom blends we use, we focus on 7 main mushrooms including Agaricus, Cordyceps, Lentinula, Grifola, Gandoderma, Coriolus and Poria. Again, the levels are based on our proprietary blend. You can look at each product online and click on the specification tab below the product photo, which will give you more information regarding the label and ingredients contained. In regards to sources for our ingredients, they vary dependent on the ingredient, but each are tested routinely for bacterial levels and heavy metals to suit our specifications, which are quite rigid. I hope this helps. If I can assist further, please let me know. Thank you. Tom Schell, D.V.M. Nouvelle Research, Inc.
THey do have blends that are not as expensive. Like the Green. I started with that. THen I decided that both my horses deserved the TOTAL SUPPORT. One has issues, one doesn't. I calculated that an ounce of prevention is key here. If I can keep my 4 year old inflammation free, hind gut healthy from the time he is 4 then he might retire sound when he is 30. Vet costs for injections etc are FAR MORE expensive than Curost. I teach High school so not made of money but I will sacrifice so my horses have the best since I am demanding that they destroy their body running barrels doing something it was NOT designed to do. Horses were NOT MEANT to run barrels or have their bodies do what we ask of them... They did not ask to be even trail horses. They give me 100% and I am giving them 100% back./
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Location: Arkansas | Herbie - 2015-09-10 4:13 PM
Let's see here. My horse is only 5 and I have been successfully "band-aiding" this issue since he was a yearling. Up until this past winter it was somewhat maintable, or so I thought, but he was a pickle to be around. We didn't call him Tricky Ricky for nothing. He was always ill mannered, hated to be brushed, cold backed, and just an overall jerk. He isn't like that anymore at all, so I now know he had other inflammatory issues going on beyond the allergies despite constantly being on an ulcer preventative or medication as well, which I also no longer need. My goal was not to list all of the products I have used specifically used that were ineffective, as I didn't want to step on anyone's toes here who may use or sell these products, but since you asked.
1.) Lung Aid - had the best success with this as far as diminishing allergy problems, he stayed on it while at the track as a 3 YO and he was on this product when he became so ill
2.) Silver Lining Resp Support - gave it 60 days with no improvement
3.) Wind Aid - used pre exercise to help open airways
4.) Some liquid stuff in a glass bottle that I heard about on here. Can't remember name - 30 days, conditions worsened, went back to Lung Aid
5.) Tri-Hist/Ani-Hist - No improvement
6.) THE Equine Edge custom blend - 60 days with no improvement, went back to Lung Aid, though I have used Equine Edge with Gastroplus an Muscle Mass in years past with improvement on other horses
7.) Ventipulmin - Doses as high as 8 cc per day
8.) Dexamethasone- Daily
9.) Two rounds of antibiotics (tucuprim)
10.) Prednisone injections
11.) Nebulizer for inhaled medications
12.) Mustard - showed improvement but not enough
13.) Equine Regen - 30 days with no improvement
12.) Cur-OST - complete turn around in 14 days, but I followed the suggestions of Dr. Schell to a T
Bear, I know you're an educated guy and I respect you and your practice, but please respect the fact that I, too, also have a great education, am a good business woman, and pride myself in being a dang good horse woman. No one has asked you to purchase this product, and yes, I agree it is expensive, and there is likely a good markup, as there should be and is with any company we buy from. I just can't put my finger on why you're trying so fervently to prove it isn't what this vet claims it to be. No one has asked you to purchase the product, no one has asked you to evaluate it, no one has even asked your opinion. Do you feel the need to try to save us money by offering another option? I appreciate that, I really do, and i've already looked into that on my own. Like I said, I have a full box of tumeric powder if anyone wants it. I did try it, and did get very minimal improvement, just not enough improvement to get me where I needed to be and get my horse out of distress. I didn't go into this blindly, I researched and studied each ingredient in the product, that is why I sound like a "paid advertisement" is because I have done my homework, not because i'm copying and pasting something i've heard someone else say. If I do copy and paste, I will quote that person and give them credit.
I'm not a self promotor, and I think most on here would agree that I don't get involved in the arguments or the debates that are often circulating, I don't like to stir the pot, i'm not all the time tooting about this or that, I don't do facebook because I don't like the drama, I just like to discuss things with my friends and share our experiences. I have to wonder if you chastise all feed/supplement companies you buy, or consider buying from with this banter, or if it's just the cost of the Cur-OST that's got you upset? I spent over $5000 in 3 months on vets in 2 different states along with medications prior to this, had custom formulas made from companies you've praised, and was at my wits end, so honestly I was relieved at the thought of the cost of the Total Support only.....eventually. It's all relative and to each his own here. There are certainly less costly ways to implement this program on a horse with no current issues, through the Green or cutting the Total in half, if one chose to do so.
I'm getting the feeling that you're a "It's my opinion and it should be yours" kind of guy, similar to my father, so it's important that you be right and there is no ending this until I (and others) concede. OK, you got it. I concede, despite the fact you have contradicted yourself on this thread. Bottom line, there may be a better way in a curcurmin blend, you're right, we're always leanring! But I have personally used the recommendation you've claimed is sufficient in this thread, and it's not even comparable. May be enough to sustain a horse with minimal inflammatory conditions, but will not improve a chronic issue enough to restore health.
You have taken the fun out of this discussion for me personally unfortunately and we can't even enjoy sharing anymore for your constant analyzation or every word we say, and that is unfortunate, as while this program may not be for you, it is for me and others are also seeing these same results. I admittedly thought maybe my horse was a fluke and it was a miracle, because I sure prayed for one daily, but now others are seeing the same dramatic improvements. I have my horse back, a horse who they said would surely never compete again and would likely not be able to sustain life if not improved, and you can bet i'm going to share that information with with anyone who will listen....and some that won't. That being said, I don't care what journal he's published in, I don't need to know the proprietary blend, I am satisfied with the research that has been done. Naive....maybe, but i'm one happy, happy customer.
With that, i'm out. Please excuse me while I sip on my snake oil and get back to my rotisserie cooker and slap chop.
Hallelujah Herbie this made my day!!!! I am so very happy you found what helped your horse and that you "have him back" now. I don't know you from Adam, but from what I've read in your posts and what others have said about you on here, I wouldn't hesitate one second to use this product based SOLELY on your word alone . . . . | |
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Location: Arkansas | oranges - 2015-09-10 6:21 PM
I have issues I posted in another thread so I've really been looking/reading into a new supplement option. Just like all the others the basic green option of CurOst is $2.00 a day to feed without even seeing what shipping is calculating Out of my budget (If
Hijack - I know this is not the only supplement that costs that much but are people spending about $250-300 ($2/day supplement + hay + salt and water ) a horse a month with supplements and feed????
I wish I only spent that much!!!! I have not added up what we spend for our 5 because I don't want to know. They aren't active competition horses either, but I think they deserve the best (what I feel is the best) I can afford because I can't measure how much they give back to me. . . . | |
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Location: Louisiana | I swear if I read it "cost $250 a month per horse" I'm going to pull my hair out! How can you even get into the depth of analysis that has been reached without reading the dosage... yes the 2 week loading dose is going to take a whole bag... which is roughly $250 with shipping. Then you will only need one bag per horse per month, which is the maintenance dose and costs roughly $130... easy as pie, right?! And of course there are many people that don't want to or are not able to spend that on their horse. Fine and dandy. The formula that has been priced above and throughout the thread is the total support. If your horse doesn't need that, there is the green. Ok I'm done, I couldn't care less if another soul buys any of it. If someone would like to hear why I feed it I would be happy to share my experience. Bless herbie's heart, she is far more caring and generous than I. I think we are all educated and capable enough to read and make decisions about what we feed our animals, so I'm not going even touch on all that. But Lord help me if I read that it cost $250 a month one more time my head was going to explode. I don't put much clout into someone's opinion that can't even do simple math or just won't take the time to read... and sure, you could give more or less than what we are feeding, but we are seeing drastic results with 2 scoops once per day. So try it if you want, or don't, it's America and we still have the freedom to do what we please for now. I very rarely get on here, so I hate to be harsh and leave but I have better things to do, like ride my horses lol! | |
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| Mousenatownla - 2015-09-14 1:13 PM
I swear if I read it "cost $250 a month per horse" I'm going to pull my hair out! How can you even get into the depth of analysis that has been reached without reading the dosage... yes the 2 week loading dose is going to take a whole bag... which is roughly $250 with shipping. Then you will only need one bag per horse per month, which is the maintenance dose and costs roughly $130... easy as pie, right?! And of course there are many people that don't want to or are not able to spend that on their horse. Fine and dandy. The formula that has been priced above and throughout the thread is the total support. If your horse doesn't need that, there is the green. Ok I'm done, I couldn't care less if another soul buys any of it. If someone would like to hear why I feed it I would be happy to share my experience. Bless herbie's heart, she is far more caring and generous than I. I think we are all educated and capable enough to read and make decisions about what we feed our animals, so I'm not going even touch on all that. But Lord help me if I read that it cost $250 a month one more time my head was going to explode. I don't put much clout into someone's opinion that can't even do simple math or just won't take the time to read... and sure, you could give more or less than what we are feeding, but we are seeing drastic results with 2 scoops once per day. So try it if you want, or don't, it's America and we still have the freedom to do what we please for now. I very rarely get on here, so I hate to be harsh and leave but I have better things to do, like ride my horses lol!
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Location: Beggs, OK | Mousenatownla - 2015-09-14 1:13 PM I swear if I read it "cost $250 a month per horse" I'm going to pull my hair out! How can you even get into the depth of analysis that has been reached without reading the dosage... yes the 2 week loading dose is going to take a whole bag... which is roughly $250 with shipping. Then you will only need one bag per horse per month, which is the maintenance dose and costs roughly $130... easy as pie, right?! And of course there are many people that don't want to or are not able to spend that on their horse. Fine and dandy. The formula that has been priced above and throughout the thread is the total support. If your horse doesn't need that, there is the green. Ok I'm done, I couldn't care less if another soul buys any of it. If someone would like to hear why I feed it I would be happy to share my experience. Bless herbie's heart, she is far more caring and generous than I. I think we are all educated and capable enough to read and make decisions about what we feed our animals, so I'm not going even touch on all that. But Lord help me if I read that it cost $250 a month one more time my head was going to explode. I don't put much clout into someone's opinion that can't even do simple math or just won't take the time to read... and sure, you could give more or less than what we are feeding, but we are seeing drastic results with 2 scoops once per day. So try it if you want, or don't, it's America and we still have the freedom to do what we please for now. I very rarely get on here, so I hate to be harsh and leave but I have better things to do, like ride my horses lol!
Thank you, lol
I couldn't even begin to sit down and type a tactful post to address that subject. It seems that some would rather spend their money at the vet, switching saddles, pads, adding supplements, medicating, and using nebulizers than to fix the problem at the source.
If you're dealing with EPM symptoms, ulcers, colic, body soreness, respiratory issues, and hard keeping horses, then it might be time to take a look at your feeding program and get your horses gut healed so that you can go on with your life. Don't just take someone else's word for it that your feed is "safe" and they've fed it for years. | |
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| GLP - 2015-09-14 1:18 PM Mousenatownla - 2015-09-14 1:13 PM I swear if I read it "cost $250 a month per horse" I'm going to pull my hair out! How can you even get into the depth of analysis that has been reached without reading the dosage... yes the 2 week loading dose is going to take a whole bag... which is roughly $250 with shipping. Then you will only need one bag per horse per month, which is the maintenance dose and costs roughly $130... easy as pie, right?! And of course there are many people that don't want to or are not able to spend that on their horse. Fine and dandy. The formula that has been priced above and throughout the thread is the total support. If your horse doesn't need that, there is the green. Ok I'm done, I couldn't care less if another soul buys any of it. If someone would like to hear why I feed it I would be happy to share my experience. Bless herbie's heart, she is far more caring and generous than I. I think we are all educated and capable enough to read and make decisions about what we feed our animals, so I'm not going even touch on all that. But Lord help me if I read that it cost $250 a month one more time my head was going to explode. I don't put much clout into someone's opinion that can't even do simple math or just won't take the time to read... and sure, you could give more or less than what we are feeding, but we are seeing drastic results with 2 scoops once per day. So try it if you want, or don't, it's America and we still have the freedom to do what we please for now. I very rarely get on here, so I hate to be harsh and leave but I have better things to do, like ride my horses lol! My sentiments exactly!
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Location: Oklahoma | mousentownla (sorry if I messed up the name) even though I have seen awesome results with Cur-Ost please share yours!
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Location: Texas | I just started using the Ulitimate for humans. It taste awful and everything in my power to get it down but I can tell a difference in energy levels and soreness. Haven't tried it on my horses yet. I am trying it first for 30 days to see what it does for me. | |
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Location: NE Texas | Definitely not too good to be true. I won't share my story again here, but you can search and see all of the things it's done for me and my horse. I did follow the suggested dosage to a T and double dosed the first 14 days, then backed down to a maintenance dose. Didn't change my feeding program until about 45 days into the product due to the dramatic changes i'd already seen and my horse continues to improve. | |
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| It honestly is NOT too good to be true! I was desperate to find something that would help my mare. She had a horrible, deep cough that I tried many different things and lots of $ to fix. Nothing seemed to work. I read one of Herbie's posts (THANK YOU HERBIE) and decided to try the CurOst. I noticed a difference right away. She did start coughing more but it was a more productive cough and pretty soon she was coughing out lots of phlegm - something she hadn't been able to do. By day 14, she was not coughing at all anymore. I continued for 30 days and am now at maintenance and she is doing great - a whole different horse than we have had for the last several years. She has much more energy and stamina. Like Herbie, I had tried just about everything for her and nothing was helping. It was expensive at first, but if I were to add up all the money I have spent over the years on everything that did nothing to help, the CurOst is actually quite reasonable - I finally got results from something. I just ordered a different formula for another horse and am anxious to try that. After seeing the results with my mare, a friend ordered one of the human formulas. She has been able to go off her prescription medication that she has been on for years, has had no side effects (from the CurOst or from going off her medications - she usually has had problems when trying to quit her medication) and is really happy (except for the taste which I guess is awful!). The horse formula does not smell or seem to taste bad, my mare ate hers right up. It does work and is well worth the money.
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Location: Oklahoma | Yes It is too good to be true! lol I am so glad that the product is natural! it smells good dont have the human version. I guess I am backwards because I was trying on my horse to see before I ordered for hubby lol because it has helped them so much Im gonna order for hubby-hubby is on zeal and Cur-ost is cheaper than zeal so anxious to try! My horse is very mannerly and patient well this morning (been on Cur-ost 12 days he was pacing back and forth wanting his Cur-ost! He licks his feed bowl super clean! He never is anxious for his feed. So glad I took the plunge! | |
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| I ordered the stomach formula & EQ Plus for my horse today. Was told to start with stomach to get hind gut issues under control then add EQ plus. He recently bled after a run & tried him on Lasik this weekend. Did not like it all. Hope the combination will get ulcers & bleeding under control. Was told I would only need the stomach formula for a couple months.
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Location: Louisiana | goldmineranch - 2015-09-14 7:41 PM
It honestly is NOT too good to be true! I was desperate to find something that would help my mare. She had a horrible, deep cough that I tried many different things and lots of $ to fix. Nothing seemed to work. I read one of Herbie's posts (THANK YOU HERBIE) and decided to try the CurOst. I noticed a difference right away. She did start coughing more but it was a more productive cough and pretty soon she was coughing out lots of phlegm - something she hadn't been able to do. By day 14, she was not coughing at all anymore. I continued for 30 days and am now at maintenance and she is doing great - a whole different horse than we have had for the last several years. She has much more energy and stamina. Like Herbie, I had tried just about everything for her and nothing was helping. It was expensive at first, but if I were to add up all the money I have spent over the years on everything that did nothing to help, the CurOst is actually quite reasonable - I finally got results from something. I just ordered a different formula for another horse and am anxious to try that. After seeing the results with my mare, a friend ordered one of the human formulas. She has been able to go off her prescription medication that she has been on for years, has had no side effects (from the CurOst or from going off her medications - she usually has had problems when trying to quit her medication) and is really happy (except for the taste which I guess is awful!). The horse formula does not smell or seem to taste bad, my mare ate hers right up. It does work and is well worth the money.
Same here with cough and phlegm, my horse was standing in stall under fan with labored breathing. And I could not keep him on any feed, he would eat for a week or 2 and quit. I was at my wits end with the feed. I had him on ulcer meds and bluebonnet omega force. I had him eating but at least once a week he wouldn't eat and never cleaned his plate lol. Always had eye/nasal discharge and just didn't look good. He's a different horse. He gets alfalfa, whole oats, and cu-rost. He has blossomed and is the most playful, personable horse on the place. Before he couldn't care less about human interaction. He is an aggressive eater now. His breathing is back to normal, before he got to the point of labored breathing at rest he was taking longer and longer to recover every run I made. He was also always having random areas of swelling in his legs, I was having to keep back on track wraps on him all the time. He is never body sore, even after getting hung up in a lead rope one weekend and having a wreck in the trailer another. And he ran those weekends too. I couldn't be happier with him. I have started another one I'm legging back up after stifle surgery due to severe bone cysts that had gone undiagnosed for years. So far he's great! I'm giving out exercising him and he's not even breathing hard lol, and no body soreness! It has basically just made mine different horses and my feed and supplement bill has been cut in half. Sorry for grammar and spelling, I'm on my phone lol | |
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| daisycake123 - 2015-09-14 7:41 PM
Anyone try the human stuff. What didit do for you.
I use the human stuff. I had started riding in a knee brace because my knee was bit hearing me and was swollen. My hips were giving me some trouble, too. I am now NOT riding in a brace, my knee doesn't hurt and the swelling is pretty much gone. Hips heel great too . It took a little while though. It was very interesting. My knee improved first, almost right away. Then my right hip which was the worst, then my left hip. My mom was diagnosed with advanced arthritis in her hip so I going to see what Cur Ost people recommend and get her some too | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | GLP - 2015-09-14 8:47 PM daisycake123 - 2015-09-14 7:41 PM Anyone try the human stuff. What didit do for you. I use the human stuff. I had started riding in a knee brace because my knee was bit hearing me and was swollen. My hips were giving me some trouble, too. I am now NOT riding in a brace, my knee doesn't hurt and the swelling is pretty much gone. Hips heel great too . It took a little while though. It was very interesting. My knee improved first, almost right away. Then my right hip which was the worst, then my left hip. My mom was diagnosed with advanced arthritis in her hip so I going to see what Cur Ost people recommend and get her some too
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Location: Here | Okay. Question. Am I the only one that can't stand the banana smell?? I think I would rather not have the flavoring | |
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| SG. - 2015-09-14 7:56 PM
Okay. Question. Am I the only one that can't stand the banana smell?? I think I would rather not have the flavoring
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Location: Here | FLITASTIC - 2015-09-14 10:19 PM SG. - 2015-09-14 7:56 PM Okay. Question. Am I the only one that can't stand the banana smell?? I think I would rather not have the flavoring I love the Banana flavor!!!
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| Nevertooold - 2015-09-14 9:53 PM
GLP - 2015-09-14 8:47 PM daisycake123 - 2015-09-14 7:41 PM Anyone try the human stuff. What didit do for you. I use the human stuff. I had started riding in a knee brace because my knee was bit hearing me and was swollen. My hips were giving me some trouble, too. I am now NOT riding in a brace, my knee doesn't hurt and the swelling is pretty much gone. Hips heel great too . It took a little while though. It was very interesting. My knee improved first, almost right away. Then my right hip which was the worst, then my left hip. My mom was diagnosed with advanced arthritis in her hip so I going to see what Cur Ost people recommend and get her some too
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Location: MD | Last night was our first night on the curost and oats. She is a very aggressive eater and would not touch it. I added sweet feed (handful) to it but apparently it wasn't enough. I added more sweet feed in this morning and cut the curost dose in half. She ate it better this morning. | |
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| SG. - 2015-09-14 11:56 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-09-14 10:19 PM SG. - 2015-09-14 7:56 PM Okay. Question. Am I the only one that can't stand the banana smell?? I think I would rather not have the flavoring I love the Banana flavor!!!
I heard one time that they did a study & banana & licorice were some of horses favorite flavors. I don't even remember where I heard it now, I think one of those informational meetings the feed companies used to do. | |
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Location: Silver Lake, MN | I used to work for a supplement company and banana is a flavor that conceals less desirable flavors very well so I was not surprised it was banana. LOL. My mare was hesitant at first, I mixed some water in mine since I have a dry feed and with her being a PSSM horse cannot have sweet feed. I am now on my secon week and have gotten up to 2 scoops 2x daily. I still wet it down but now she is excited to eat and licks her pan clean. | |
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Location: NE Texas | I love the smell of it personally. Smells like Laffy Taffy! HAHA It took my horse about a week to get in his bucket, but he used to be a major feed skeptic and would pick around most anything even if I made it all into a mash. I didn't start with the whole two scoops twice daily until he was cleaning everything up every feeding. I moisten my feed, stir, put in supplement, stir and serve. I do this in the bucket i'm actually feeding him in so that the supplement is on top and less likely to filter out in the bottom. What he didn't clean up I would just dump on top of his next meal along with the next serving and stir it in. In a week he was cleaning his plate and now leaves his alfalfa to eat his oats and Cur-OST and literally is a bucket licker. Prior to this he's never been an aggressive eater....would take him an hour or more to clean up a full scoop of anything.
The human version does taste bad and is gritty (I'm taking the Ultimate and the Immune). I played with lots of juices to mix it in and found that grape juice is the best for me. Grape juice is strong and thick so it masks alot of the smell and taste. Still gritty but I just pretend i'm back in college and CHUG!
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | This is intriguing me....I've been through the ringer with my horse and pharyangitis, allergies, and Pneumonia. I know the humidity bothers her and I can only assume because of what she's been through. She is so stoic, hardly shows me a thing and will give me 110% every time so I really have to pay attention to her.
We’ve been down the antibiotics road (she’s allergic to certain kinds), Dex (made her look and feel like crap), Ventipulmin (made her crazy), Alburteral (bandaid), I still use Wind Aid or Air Power if it is dusty or humid and use Formula 707 stuff in her nose along with Flair Strips occasionally and she is on Allergy Shots. She doesn’t cough, maybe 1 time if it is insanely dusty, and no discharge.
Thinking about how the Pneumonia affected her lungs I put her on Oxy-Gen products to help with her lung support and Immunize pellets for overall health since I haul quite a bit.
Herbie, you have intrigued me! But I feel like such a product junkie, how do you know what to do?!
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| Herbie - 2015-09-15 8:44 AM
I love the smell of it personally. Smells like Laffy Taffy! HAHA It took my horse about a week to get in his bucket, but he used to be a major feed skeptic and would pick around most anything even if I made it all into a mash. I didn't start with the whole two scoops twice daily until he was cleaning everything up every feeding. I moisten my feed, stir, put in supplement, stir and serve. I do this in the bucket i'm actually feeding him in so that the supplement is on top and less likely to filter out in the bottom. What he didn't clean up I would just dump on top of his next meal along with the next serving and stir it in. In a week he was cleaning his plate and now leaves his alfalfa to eat his oats and Cur-OST and literally is a bucket licker. Prior to this he's never been an aggressive eater....would take him an hour or more to clean up a full scoop of anything.
The human version does taste bad and is gritty (I'm taking the Ultimate and the Immune). I played with lots of juices to mix it in and found that grape juice is the best for me. Grape juice is strong and thick so it masks alot of the smell and taste. Still gritty but I just pretend i'm back in college and CHUG!
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| Nevertooold - 2015-09-14 9:53 PM
GLP - 2015-09-14 8:47 PM daisycake123 - 2015-09-14 7:41 PM Anyone try the human stuff. What didit do for you. I use the human stuff. I had started riding in a knee brace because my knee was bit hearing me and was swollen. My hips were giving me some trouble, too. I am now NOT riding in a brace, my knee doesn't hurt and the swelling is pretty much gone. Hips heel great too . It took a little while though. It was very interesting. My knee improved first, almost right away. Then my right hip which was the worst, then my left hip. My mom was diagnosed with advanced arthritis in her hip so I going to see what Cur Ost people recommend and get her some too
I am on the Ultimate and will be asking about the Immune since my worst season for sinus/allergies is coming up. This stuff has really helped my joints. But I have noticed the better I eat the better the Ultimate works, but that only makes sense when you think about it. | |
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Location: MD | FLITASTIC - 2015-09-15 10:39 AM The better you eat the less inflammation you have so the product can be more effective. SOme are giving the curost while still feeding feeds that have molasses in them ( Like blue bonnet etc). Its "OK" but the molasses causes some problems in the gut that the curost has to combat. You def will see improvement. But if you feed a natural feed like Oats then that curost can be even more potent. My colt gets a low starch 2% feed (He hates oats for whatever reason, might be allergic to them) with the curost and my good horse with issues gets the oats and curost. Did yours eat it when you first fed it to them?
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-09-15 10:39 AM The better you eat the less inflammation you have so the product can be more effective. SOme are giving the curost while still feeding feeds that have molasses in them ( Like blue bonnet etc). Its "OK" but the molasses causes some problems in the gut that the curost has to combat. You def will see improvement. But if you feed a natural feed like Oats then that curost can be even more potent. My colt gets a low starch 2% feed (He hates oats for whatever reason, might be allergic to them) with the curost and my good horse with issues gets the oats and curost.
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Location: Louisiana | It took a week probably for my horse to start cleaning it up, but he was that way with ANYTHING I put in his feed. Now I think I could put mud in it and he would eat it. | |
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Location: Louisiana | SmokinGirlie - 2015-09-15 9:59 AM This is intriguing me....I've been through the ringer with my horse and pharyangitis, allergies, and Pneumonia. I know the humidity bothers her and I can only assume because of what she's been through. She is so stoic, hardly shows me a thing and will give me 110% every time so I really have to pay attention to her.
We’ve been down the antibiotics road (she’s allergic to certain kinds), Dex (made her look and feel like crap), Ventipulmin (made her crazy), Alburteral (bandaid), I still use Wind Aid or Air Power if it is dusty or humid and use Formula 707 stuff in her nose along with Flair Strips occasionally and she is on Allergy Shots. She doesn’t cough, maybe 1 time if it is insanely dusty, and no discharge.
Thinking about how the Pneumonia affected her lungs I put her on Oxy-Gen products to help with her lung support and Immunize pellets for overall health since I haul quite a bit.
Herbie, you have intrigued me! But I feel like such a product junkie, how do you know what to do?!
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FLITASTIC - 2015-09-15 10:39 AM The better you eat the less inflammation you have so the product can be more effective. SOme are giving the curost while still feeding feeds that have molasses in them ( Like blue bonnet etc). Its "OK" but the molasses causes some problems in the gut that the curost has to combat. You def will see improvement. But if you feed a natural feed like Oats then that curost can be even more potent. My colt gets a low starch 2% feed (He hates oats for whatever reason, might be allergic to them) with the curost and my good horse with issues gets the oats and curost. Did yours eat it when you first fed it to them?
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FLITASTIC - 2015-09-15 10:39 AM The better you eat the less inflammation you have so the product can be more effective. SOme are giving the curost while still feeding feeds that have molasses in them ( Like blue bonnet etc). Its "OK" but the molasses causes some problems in the gut that the curost has to combat. You def will see improvement. But if you feed a natural feed like Oats then that curost can be even more potent. My colt gets a low starch 2% feed (He hates oats for whatever reason, might be allergic to them) with the curost and my good horse with issues gets the oats and curost.
what is t he name of the feed you are feeding your colt?
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Mousenatownla - 2015-09-15 11:34 AM SmokinGirlie - 2015-09-15 9:59 AM This is intriguing me....I've been through the ringer with my horse and pharyangitis, allergies, and Pneumonia. I know the humidity bothers her and I can only assume because of what she's been through. She is so stoic, hardly shows me a thing and will give me 110% every time so I really have to pay attention to her.
We’ve been down the antibiotics road (she’s allergic to certain kinds), Dex (made her look and feel like crap), Ventipulmin (made her crazy), Alburteral (bandaid), I still use Wind Aid or Air Power if it is dusty or humid and use Formula 707 stuff in her nose along with Flair Strips occasionally and she is on Allergy Shots. She doesn’t cough, maybe 1 time if it is insanely dusty, and no discharge.
Thinking about how the Pneumonia affected her lungs I put her on Oxy-Gen products to help with her lung support and Immunize pellets for overall health since I haul quite a bit.
Herbie, you have intrigued me! But I feel like such a product junkie, how do you know what to do?! I tried several of the oxygen products on mine, but could not tell any difference. Don't feel that way, they are all different just like we are and what works for one may not work for another. But your horse sounds like an excellent candidate to try the cur ost.
I know I was just telling Herbie that, she sounds like the perfect case study if anything!
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| Apologies for offending anyone about the cost. My current feed cost per horse is $60 a month including hay, local milled feed, salt, etc. I only have had to pay the vet for vaccines and coggins for the past few years, have not bought a new saddle or pad either. I am starting to have issues with one of my horses and am researching for some options. You can understand how it might be hard to think of the extra cost of a supplement when you look at what I currently spend.
But. . .
The testimonials here have been helpful. I'm debating. I especially need some allergy help myself. My horse seems super arthritic, just is not moving like he should. | |
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Location: NE Texas | BobbieL - 2015-09-15 8:20 PM How are you drinking yours? I am having a tough time getting this down. Even with orange juice
BobbieL, I am drinking mine with grape juice. I struggled with the orange juice as well and played with the juices until I found the right blend. The OJ worked better for me if I diluted it with water. I'd say I mix it with 8 oz or less of juice/water combined and chug. The grape juice is a better option for me personally as it seems to take away the bitter taste and then you just have the grit. Interestingly enough, after about 3 weeks, I got used to the taste and the texture and don't mind it at all now. That being said, I don't milk it, I just mix it up and drink it quickly. | |
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Location: NE Texas | oranges - 2015-09-16 6:51 AM Apologies for offending anyone about the cost. My current feed cost per horse is $60 a month including hay, local milled feed, salt, etc. I only have had to pay the vet for vaccines and coggins for the past few years, have not bought a new saddle or pad either. I am starting to have issues with one of my horses and am researching for some options. You can understand how it might be hard to think of the extra cost of a supplement when you look at what I currently spend. But. . . The testimonials here have been helpful. I'm debating. I especially need some allergy help myself. My horse seems super arthritic, just is not moving like he should.
No offense taken whatsoever, oranges, I think there was some misconception about the cost, as it is doubled the first month due to the laoding dose, but then down to maintenance doses. The pricing you see on the website is for a 30 day supply on the maintenance level. IN the first 30 days with the loading dose, you'd go through a bag and a half. Still expensive, but not considering the results.
I understand, for years i've not had any notable issues with my horses. Looking back now, I wish I had known about these products then, as there are some things I think could have been improved upon. I recently even put my 2 YO on the Total Support. I skipped the loading dose because she doesn't have any issues I feel we need to get a jump start on.
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Location: NE Texas | This should answer alot of the questions that have been posed earlier on this thread. I'm so thankful to have found this company!
https://www.secondvet.com/index.php/forum/equine/81-discussion-truth-transparency | |
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Location: NE Texas | oranges - 2015-09-17 6:44 AM Once your an established customer are there any further discounts or sales?
They will list a quarterly discount (I think) on their facebook page, but it's only good for a week or so. They also offer tiered pricing, where if you buy more than one bag at a time you can get a price break. No other discounts that i'm aware of. | |
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| Ordered Cur Ost for myself and it came yesterday. Yuck, it is gross. Today I mixed it with about an ounce of water and took it as a shot. That's probably going to be the best way for me to take it | |
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Location: North Dakota | After trying pure turmeric powder, THE MM w/ joint/inflammation, allergy, and something else mixed, and Smartpaks one supplement that's basically like Bute-less plus MSM and not a one of them did jack sh!t for my horse's chronic inflammation in his back, allergies, or muscle growth, I'm skeptical to say the least. He has KS and injections and a very consistent riding/lunging schedule keep him feeling pretty good, but if he has 2 or 3 days off he's back to being in pain. I'm implementing some "horse yoga" into our program and some other stretches on the ground but if there's something I can feed that helps not only with his back but with his allergies/breathing that would be marvelous. He spends the warmer months covered in fly gear because insect bites=itchy welts all over his body. His skin also can't handle some fly sprays/treatments. He ALSO seems to not do too well in dusty arenas. He NEVER coughs but sneezes /clears his airways more than other horses I know.
Now, I also have extreme back and joint pain. My knee pain got to the point where I couldn't even get on and off the toilet without tearing up--and I am 21 years old. I had x-rays done and nothing was wrong. Eliminating almost all sugar from my diet got my knees like 90% better, but I do still struggle with some stiffness and soreness. My back is worse. Every square inch from the base of my skull to the tip of my tailbone is in excruciating pain 24/7 and has been for over FIVE YEARS NOW. I have had multiple x-rays, an MRI, massage, chiro, acupuncture, injections, muscle relaxants, a "back buddy" (pushes on pressure points), yoga, heating pads, physical therapy, etc. I can manage temporary relief with yoga especially and a few other things, but 10 minutes after I'm finished the debilitating pain is back. SO I just ordered the Cur-Ost HU Pure. If it helps my issues, then I'll try it for my horse. Can't wait to check back with some hopefully good news! | |
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Location: NE Texas | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-09-30 6:06 PM After trying pure turmeric powder, THE MM w/ joint/inflammation, allergy, and something else mixed, and Smartpaks one supplement that's basically like Bute-less plus MSM and not a one of them did jack sh!t for my horse's chronic inflammation in his back, allergies, or muscle growth, I'm skeptical to say the least. He has KS and injections and a very consistent riding/lunging schedule keep him feeling pretty good, but if he has 2 or 3 days off he's back to being in pain. I'm implementing some "horse yoga" into our program and some other stretches on the ground but if there's something I can feed that helps not only with his back but with his allergies/breathing that would be marvelous. He spends the warmer months covered in fly gear because insect bites=itchy welts all over his body. His skin also can't handle some fly sprays/treatments. He ALSO seems to not do too well in dusty arenas. He NEVER coughs but sneezes /clears his airways more than other horses I know. Now, I also have extreme back and joint pain. My knee pain got to the point where I couldn't even get on and off the toilet without tearing up--and I am 21 years old. I had x-rays done and nothing was wrong. Eliminating almost all sugar from my diet got my knees like 90% better, but I do still struggle with some stiffness and soreness. My back is worse. Every square inch from the base of my skull to the tip of my tailbone is in excruciating pain 24/7 and has been for over FIVE YEARS NOW. I have had multiple x-rays, an MRI, massage, chiro, acupuncture, injections, muscle relaxants, a "back buddy" (pushes on pressure points), yoga, heating pads, physical therapy, etc. I can manage temporary relief with yoga especially and a few other things, but 10 minutes after I'm finished the debilitating pain is back. SO I just ordered the Cur-Ost HU Pure. If it helps my issues, then I'll try it for my horse. Can't wait to check back with some hopefully good news!
Get ready, Cavy! I have a work friend that started taking the product for severe fibromyalgia and is down to one tramadol (sp?) a day and is sleeping through the night. She is taking the Immune and the Ultimate. She also used to not have a bowel movement for two weeks at a time and is now going every day. The improvement I have see in my horse is remarkable, but her story may likely be the most moving success story yet. A month ago she couldn't get out of her bed and come to work, this morning she came skipping in my office smiling and whistling.....pain medicine free.
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Location: NE Texas | oranges - 2015-09-26 8:01 AM Ordered Cur Ost for myself and it came yesterday. Yuck, it is gross. Today I mixed it with about an ounce of water and took it as a shot. That's probably going to be the best way for me to take it
You might try it with grape juice, that's the only way I could get it down at first too. Now I actually don't mind it a bit. | |
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| The shot way is it for me. I mixed it in a protien shake and could still taste it. Just take a shot and get it done. How long before you guys were feeling results? I'm taking immune and pure. I wanted help with allergies, maybe I read wrong and should have tried the ultimate? | |
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| oranges - 2015-10-01 5:54 PM
The shot way is it for me. I mixed it in a protien shake and could still taste it. Just take a shot and get it done. How long before you guys were feeling results? I'm taking immune and pure. I wanted help with allergies, maybe I read wrong and should have tried the ultimate?
I emailed Dr. Schell listing all my health concerns for me and my husband and he recommended the Ultimate for us. So far it has really helped and I started feeling a difference with a painful knee right away, then in a couple of days all my aches were gone. Interestingly, the better I eat the better it helps my allergies. If I eat crap then it doesn't help as much, but that is my fault. And it does still help but its hard to stop inflammation when you are feeding said inflammation with bad food choices.
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Location: NE Texas | OK, so earlier in this thread I mentioned my coworker who was having such great success with the product for her fibromyalgia. A month ago she came in crying due to the pain and was missing work because she was unable to get out of bed. She was already on a curcurmin supplement, but her pain was still unbareable. She knew what a skeptic I had been and I had shared with her the experience my horse and all that had happened. She came in one day crying and handed me $100 bill and please help me. I realized it was going to cost $150 for the supplement that she didn't have, so I paid the extra $50 out of my pocket to get her started and assured her that she would know in a month if this was going to help her, and if it did, we'd cross the next price bridge when it came. She told me through tears that IF this cur-OST stuff worked, that she was going to come in doing cartwheels in front of my office, to which I replied I was going to hold her to that. I look up after lunch and low and behold, there she is, cartwheeling in front of my office. Please excuse the "belly shot" but if this can help her, with her extreme pain and issues with inflammation, it can help anyone.
She's now off all prescription medication except for her tramadol once daily, and that has been reduced from 3 times daily to once daily. She says she thinks she could get off of it totally, but she's scared. I suspect she will be done with it before long. She's also gone from having a bowel movement once every 2 weeks to almost daily.
I know people are tired of hearing me, and others, rave about this stuff, but if we follow the program, be prepared for near miraculous results!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yAX0nDyIYs
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Canchaser532 - 2016-01-06 10:12 PM New to CurOst, still reading all the responses. Question: Does anyone use an oil on top? Healthy coat? Health E oil? Also what grain do you feed? Currently I am using nutrena performance.
Nope, just Flax :) And plain ole' oats, have you checked out secondvet.com very helpful! | |
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| Anyone feed more than oats? Such as recipe including oats from mill? I currently am feeding Nutrena performance feed, and looking to try something new and seriously considering curost, have thought about trying Roasted To Perfection feed.
Also just got through all the responses on the thread now to check out the secondvet website! ?? | |
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Location: North Dakota | Whole oats (by it's self) is what the majority of Cur Ost people who I have talked to feed. I feed my mare 1.5# of whole oats once a day and .75# once a day to my old gelding. I also add whole flax (1/2 cup for my mare and 1/3 cup for my older gelding), some people use BOSS or chia seeds as well. The reason whole oats and other whole grains is the way to go with Cur Ost is you are trying to eliminate any artificial ingredients or other fillers that increase inflammation. Whole oats and other whole grains is the purest and only unprocessed feed you can get for horses, that is why Dr Schell recommends using it with his products. The main point of Cur Ost is to reduce inflammation in the body so when you feed Cur Ost prodcuts with processed feeds you are almost contradicting yourself by feeding an anti inflammatory on top of a feed that increases inflammation. Hope that helps, I'm still new to this so I'm still in the learning stage. SecondVet is very helpful! Dr. Schell himself answers everyone's questions, which is great! I have seen great results so far in both my horses so it's well worth revamping your feed program and trying Cur Ost! | |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | MidWest1452 - 2016-01-13 2:54 PM Whole oats (by it's self ) is what the majority of Cur Ost people who I have talked to feed. I feed my mare 1.5# of whole oats once a day and .75# once a day to my old gelding. I also add whole flax (1/2 cup for my mare and 1/3 cup for my older gelding ), some people use BOSS or chia seeds as well. The reason whole oats and other whole grains is the way to go with Cur Ost is you are trying to eliminate any artificial ingredients or other fillers that increase inflammation. Whole oats and other whole grains is the purest and only unprocessed feed you can get for horses, that is why Dr Schell recommends using it with his products. The main point of Cur Ost is to reduce inflammation in the body so when you feed Cur Ost prodcuts with processed feeds you are almost contradicting yourself by feeding an anti inflammatory on top of a feed that increases inflammation. Hope that helps, I'm still new to this so I'm still in the learning stage. SecondVet is very helpful! Dr. Schell himself answers everyone's questions, which is great! I have seen great results so far in both my horses so it's well worth revamping your feed program and trying Cur Ost!
You won't be dissapointed !
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| I just want post the results of a little test I did on the 2 I have on Total. I put the Total directly in their feed tubs with just a hand full on Omni cubes to see if they would eat the supplement or not. They sure did eat the supplement! They shoved the few cubes aside and licked the powder up and then ate the cubes. I wasn't really surprised because I have noticed that in the mornings when I feed their supplements they eat quietly with no tub rattlings or knock overs. In the evenings they are rattling and turning the tubs over. I thought maybe they were looking for the Total and now I think that is probably the case. Oh, and the mare is a very picky eater and she licked up her Total first. | |
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Location: SW North Dakota | GLP - 2015-09-15 9:17 AM Herbie - 2015-09-15 8:44 AM I love the smell of it personally. Smells like Laffy Taffy! HAHA It took my horse about a week to get in his bucket, but he used to be a major feed skeptic and would pick around most anything even if I made it all into a mash. I didn't start with the whole two scoops twice daily until he was cleaning everything up every feeding. I moisten my feed, stir, put in supplement, stir and serve. I do this in the bucket i'm actually feeding him in so that the supplement is on top and less likely to filter out in the bottom. What he didn't clean up I would just dump on top of his next meal along with the next serving and stir it in. In a week he was cleaning his plate and now leaves his alfalfa to eat his oats and Cur-OST and literally is a bucket licker. Prior to this he's never been an aggressive eater....would take him an hour or more to clean up a full scoop of anything.
The human version does taste bad and is gritty (I'm taking the Ultimate and the Immune). I played with lots of juices to mix it in and found that grape juice is the best for me. Grape juice is strong and thick so it masks alot of the smell and taste. Still gritty but I just pretend i'm back in college and CHUG! Yep, Herbie, grape juice is my choice, too. I have tried it lately with blueberry juice that has less sugar and it was ok and I have tried it with cranberry juice and I could choke it down, lol.
I had been creeping this and ordered Human Ultimate last week. I was reading about the awful taste, but holy cats. It tastes like stagnent pond water and Catholic church inscence. I'm trying to shed a few pounds, so I just drink it with water and chug. I have a little basket of blueberries, so I chug and chase it with blueberries. I can get the 12 ounces down in 2 pulls.
I don't know if it's just because I want it to work or if it actually IS working, but my muscle aches and pains are about 40% better after only 3 days on it (I'm doing 2 scoops in the morning and 2 in the evening). I'm looking forward to seeing how I'll feel in a month! :)
I don't have my horses on any supplements at all, and I don't have any that I feel need anything special (thank goodness), but if I do, at least I can have some point of reference for their effectiveness!
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| So, after reading a couple of posts about this Cur ost supplement I went ahead and ordered some for my mare this morning. Did it take very long for it to get shipped? Thanks.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Seemed like my first shipment took a while or maybe it was just because I wanted it to be there, but the next few orders haven't taken near as long.
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Location: North Dakota | First shipment close to a week but that was also around christmas when I ordered. After that I order on Friday's when I get paid and normally it is here by Wednesday, Thursday at the latest. I live in ND. | |
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Location: MI | I've read every thread I could find about Cur-OST and alllmost put in my order, but decided to post on secondvet.com and hopefull get Dr. Schell and others experienced with its' opinions and make sure I'm on the right track.. so if anyone has free time & wants to pop over there, I'd sure appreciate it  Here's to starting the 2016 off to a great start!  | |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Heads up, Cur-ost will be having a 10% off orders next week....I had emailed asking about if they had a program for discounts on buying two different products, as they discount if you purchase 2 of the same and received an email letting me know they were doing a spring promotion sometimes this next week for 10% off :-) Happy ordering!
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Location: North Dakota | run n rate - 2016-03-17 1:13 PM Heads up, Cur-ost will be having a 10% off orders next week....I had emailed asking about if they had a program for discounts on buying two different products, as they discount if you purchase 2 of the same and received an email letting me know they were doing a spring promotion sometimes this next week for 10% off :-) Happy ordering!
Crap! I just put in a huge order two days ago. Ohhhh well..... haha. I thought the spring promotion would be later in April but I was wrong. | |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Try emailing them...I did the same thing in February and the next day they had a promotion of like $15 of each order. I explained what had happened and they returned 15 on my order. Thats great customer service!!!
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