Shouldering is something they start when they think they know what they are doing. You need to slow down and make sure the approach is correct and she is not trying to turn too soon. And I second the squares exercise.
Posted 2023-03-23 10:16 AM Subject: RE: Shouldering
Find some cement and fill the barrels with it. Let her hit it, she won't do it ever again. JUST KIDDING..... LOL I do kmnow a trainer that does this though with barrels and poles believe it or not. Its been a long rainy muddy winter, I needed some entertainment this morning.
Posted 2023-03-23 10:25 AM Subject: RE: Shouldering
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Shouldering is probably the hardest issue to fix. I learned about 40 years ago if you can't fix something, find someone who can. You HAVE to have complete control of your horse before you start in the pattern. I suggest a trainer.
Posted 2023-03-23 11:31 AM Subject: RE: Shouldering
I have tried both directions with her and practise both. She does fairly similar both ways as far as the shouldering goes. I haven't started really going faster than a quick lope because I want to fix this first. Not in a rush to win, I want to get her solid at this speed first.
This is usually caused by the rider cueing the horse to turn and/or set too soon. Practice going straighter longer, like they told us at a Josey's clinic. Wait until your horse's hip is past the barrel before turning. To fix this, I would approch the barrel and at the set point, pick up the reins and keeping the horse's head turned toward the barrel, but counter arc (using heavy inside leg pressure if necessary) away from the barrel. Make a complete counter arc circle, then come back and turn the barrel correctly.
I live in New Brunswick Canada, so there are literally no good trainers here I could take her to. I would love to take a few lessons or get advice from someone but there is really nobody here.
Take a video, upload it to Youtube and then post it here.
99% of the problems we have with our horses is due to the rider.
If she rides fine away from the barrels, then what are YOU doing differently around the barrels? If you are like most riders, you get in a hurry to turn the barrel. But don't turn the barrel. What you actually want to do is lope a circle. You're just going to happen to do it around a barrel.
If you stop thinking about the barrel as a turn, and instead think about making a smooth, effecient circle, then the shouldering problem magically goes away.
Heck, go lope a barrel pattern without any barrels. The shouldering problem goes away.
So really pay attention to exactly what you are cueing your horse to do, where your seat bones are (and your weight), where your hands are, etc etc etc.
If you can't find a trainer in your area, then contact Phil Haugen or Between the Reins and do VIRTUAL training lessons.
Posted 2023-04-07 3:09 AM Subject: RE: Shouldering
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If there are no trainers in your area, I suggest you go to BETWEEN THE REINS and pay for atleast a month of theit videos. They are very informative. There was one the other day that was for horses whostart the turn too soon but would be perfert for the shouldering horse.