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| annemarea - 2013-12-04 5:34 PM I'll give you some great examples of pre-purchase exams! I spent thousands last year on three seperate exams. Let me start with one I purchased several years ago: Jug was vetted at 3 1/2 and was sore in left front ankle, but vet chose to only X-ray front ankle that he reacted when flexed. I bought him with a clean ankle X-ray but he was later found to have an OCD lesion in his left stifle. $2700 surgery. X-ray would have been way cheaper, but I probably would not have bought the greatest horse I've ever owned. Cricket was a superbly bred magic cross DTF/Lanes Leinster yearling that I vetted last year. He ended up having an OCD lesion AND a fractured coffin bone even though he moved and flexed off fine. His vet check cost me around $1500 but he was an $18K investment and I chose to pass. Charlie was a much cheaper yearling prospect that was bred decent, and spent about $800 on vetting him. Everything came out clean and I purchased, but a month later he broke his leg in the pasture and had to be put down. Then I vetted a Perks. Master 3 year old a few weeks later. I don't have the time to type all that X-rays found. $700 down the drain but saved me $8500. Next I decided on Derby, the horse listed in my ad. He was 2 and X-rays were beautiful and we even scoped him for respiratory/flapper issues. Passed with flying colors! Spent about $1000 on vet check but ended up having PSSM Type 2. So, after investing nearly $8K on purchase price and training, I now have a high maintenance gelding that requires more time than I have to keep him feeling good. These are just some of my experiences with vet checks saving and not saving me money in the long run! LOL Hope you can learn from my experience, but I, myself, will continue to spend a little up front if I can avoid investing time and money into a prospect that won't make it.
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Location: Texas | annemarea - 2013-12-04 6:34 PM I'll give you some great examples of pre-purchase exams! I spent thousands last year on three seperate exams. Let me start with one I purchased several years ago: Jug was vetted at 3 1/2 and was sore in left front ankle, but vet chose to only X-ray front ankle that he reacted when flexed. I bought him with a clean ankle X-ray but he was later found to have an OCD lesion in his left stifle. $2700 surgery. X-ray would have been way cheaper, but I probably would not have bought the greatest horse I've ever owned. Cricket was a superbly bred magic cross DTF/Lanes Leinster yearling that I vetted last year. He ended up having an OCD lesion AND a fractured coffin bone even though he moved and flexed off fine. His vet check cost me around $1500 but he was an $18K investment and I chose to pass. Charlie was a much cheaper yearling prospect that was bred decent, and spent about $800 on vetting him. Everything came out clean and I purchased, but a month later he broke his leg in the pasture and had to be put down. Then I vetted a Perks. Master 3 year old a few weeks later. I don't have the time to type all that X-rays found. $700 down the drain but saved me $8500. Next I decided on Derby, the horse listed in my ad. He was 2 and X-rays were beautiful and we even scoped him for respiratory/flapper issues. Passed with flying colors! Spent about $1000 on vet check but ended up having PSSM Type 2. So, after investing nearly $8K on purchase price and training, I now have a high maintenance gelding that requires more time than I have to keep him feeling good. These are just some of my experiences with vet checks saving and not saving me money in the long run! LOL Hope you can learn from my experience, but I, myself, will continue to spend a little up front if I can avoid investing time and money into a prospect that won't make it.
Charlie is a full sibling to a mare that is exhibitioning very tough right now...and his sire has produced several BIG winners....so I would say he was better than decent.....broke his leg out with an adult gelding??? | |
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Location: Texas | annemarea - 2013-12-04 6:34 PM I'll give you some great examples of pre-purchase exams! I spent thousands last year on three seperate exams. Let me start with one I purchased several years ago: Jug was vetted at 3 1/2 and was sore in left front ankle, but vet chose to only X-ray front ankle that he reacted when flexed. I bought him with a clean ankle X-ray but he was later found to have an OCD lesion in his left stifle. $2700 surgery. X-ray would have been way cheaper, but I probably would not have bought the greatest horse I've ever owned. Cricket was a superbly bred magic cross DTF/Lanes Leinster yearling that I vetted last year. He ended up having an OCD lesion AND a fractured coffin bone even though he moved and flexed off fine. His vet check cost me around $1500 but he was an $18K investment and I chose to pass. Charlie was a much cheaper yearling prospect that was bred decent, and spent about $800 on vetting him. Everything came out clean and I purchased, but a month later he broke his leg in the pasture and had to be put down. Then I vetted a Perks. Master 3 year old a few weeks later. I don't have the time to type all that X-rays found. $700 down the drain but saved me $8500. Next I decided on Derby, the horse listed in my ad. He was 2 and X-rays were beautiful and we even scoped him for respiratory/flapper issues. Passed with flying colors! Spent about $1000 on vet check but ended up having PSSM Type 2. So, after investing nearly $8K on purchase price and training, I now have a high maintenance gelding that requires more time than I have to keep him feeling good. These are just some of my experiences with vet checks saving and not saving me money in the long run! LOL Hope you can learn from my experience, but I, myself, will continue to spend a little up front if I can avoid investing time and money into a prospect that won't make it.
Charlie is a full sibling to a mare that is exhibitioning very tough right now...and his sire has produced several BIG winners....so I would say he was better than decent.....broke his leg out with an adult gelding??? It had NOTHING TO DO W/ BONE DENSITY...WHICH YOUR POST IMPLIED.....maybe management is an issue. | |
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Location: Michigan | dhanover - 2013-12-05 9:42 AM annemarea - 2013-12-04 6:34 PM I'll give you some great examples of pre-purchase exams! I spent thousands last year on three seperate exams. Let me start with one I purchased several years ago: Jug was vetted at 3 1/2 and was sore in left front ankle, but vet chose to only X-ray front ankle that he reacted when flexed. I bought him with a clean ankle X-ray but he was later found to have an OCD lesion in his left stifle. $2700 surgery. X-ray would have been way cheaper, but I probably would not have bought the greatest horse I've ever owned. Cricket was a superbly bred magic cross DTF/Lanes Leinster yearling that I vetted last year. He ended up having an OCD lesion AND a fractured coffin bone even though he moved and flexed off fine. His vet check cost me around $1500 but he was an $18K investment and I chose to pass. Charlie was a much cheaper yearling prospect that was bred decent, and spent about $800 on vetting him. Everything came out clean and I purchased, but a month later he broke his leg in the pasture and had to be put down. Then I vetted a Perks. Master 3 year old a few weeks later. I don't have the time to type all that X-rays found. $700 down the drain but saved me $8500. Next I decided on Derby, the horse listed in my ad. He was 2 and X-rays were beautiful and we even scoped him for respiratory/flapper issues. Passed with flying colors! Spent about $1000 on vet check but ended up having PSSM Type 2. So, after investing nearly $8K on purchase price and training, I now have a high maintenance gelding that requires more time than I have to keep him feeling good. These are just some of my experiences with vet checks saving and not saving me money in the long run! LOL Hope you can learn from my experience, but I, myself, will continue to spend a little up front if I can avoid investing time and money into a prospect that won't make it. Charlie is a full sibling to a mare that is exhibitioning very tough right now...and his sire has produced several BIG winners....so I would say he was better than decent.....broke his leg out with an adult gelding??? It had NOTHING TO DO W/ BONE DENSITY...WHICH YOUR POST IMPLIED.....maybe management is an issue.
I don't think she meant that the yearling had bone density issues. She said he vetted clean, and then was in a freak accident. I just took it as "S**t happens". Why so defensive? She didn't even say who the sire was so she wasn't dragging anyone's name through the mud. Pump the brakes!! | |
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Location: Midwest | DVM2Be - 2013-12-05 9:54 AM dhanover - 2013-12-05 9:42 AM annemarea - 2013-12-04 6:34 PM I'll give you some great examples of pre-purchase exams! I spent thousands last year on three seperate exams. Let me start with one I purchased several years ago: Jug was vetted at 3 1/2 and was sore in left front ankle, but vet chose to only X-ray front ankle that he reacted when flexed. I bought him with a clean ankle X-ray but he was later found to have an OCD lesion in his left stifle. $2700 surgery. X-ray would have been way cheaper, but I probably would not have bought the greatest horse I've ever owned. Cricket was a superbly bred magic cross DTF/Lanes Leinster yearling that I vetted last year. He ended up having an OCD lesion AND a fractured coffin bone even though he moved and flexed off fine. His vet check cost me around $1500 but he was an $18K investment and I chose to pass. Charlie was a much cheaper yearling prospect that was bred decent, and spent about $800 on vetting him. Everything came out clean and I purchased, but a month later he broke his leg in the pasture and had to be put down. Then I vetted a Perks. Master 3 year old a few weeks later. I don't have the time to type all that X-rays found. $700 down the drain but saved me $8500. Next I decided on Derby, the horse listed in my ad. He was 2 and X-rays were beautiful and we even scoped him for respiratory/flapper issues. Passed with flying colors! Spent about $1000 on vet check but ended up having PSSM Type 2. So, after investing nearly $8K on purchase price and training, I now have a high maintenance gelding that requires more time than I have to keep him feeling good. These are just some of my experiences with vet checks saving and not saving me money in the long run! LOL Hope you can learn from my experience, but I, myself, will continue to spend a little up front if I can avoid investing time and money into a prospect that won't make it. Charlie is a full sibling to a mare that is exhibitioning very tough right now...and his sire has produced several BIG winners....so I would say he was better than decent.....broke his leg out with an adult gelding??? It had NOTHING TO DO W/ BONE DENSITY...WHICH YOUR POST IMPLIED.....maybe management is an issue.
the horse's registered name isn't even in the post.... why the drama | |
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Location: ND | barrelracr131 - 2013-12-05 9:57 AM DVM2Be - 2013-12-05 9:54 AM dhanover - 2013-12-05 9:42 AM annemarea - 2013-12-04 6:34 PM I'll give you some great examples of pre-purchase exams! I spent thousands last year on three seperate exams. Let me start with one I purchased several years ago: Jug was vetted at 3 1/2 and was sore in left front ankle, but vet chose to only X-ray front ankle that he reacted when flexed. I bought him with a clean ankle X-ray but he was later found to have an OCD lesion in his left stifle. $2700 surgery. X-ray would have been way cheaper, but I probably would not have bought the greatest horse I've ever owned. Cricket was a superbly bred magic cross DTF/Lanes Leinster yearling that I vetted last year. He ended up having an OCD lesion AND a fractured coffin bone even though he moved and flexed off fine. His vet check cost me around $1500 but he was an $18K investment and I chose to pass. Charlie was a much cheaper yearling prospect that was bred decent, and spent about $800 on vetting him. Everything came out clean and I purchased, but a month later he broke his leg in the pasture and had to be put down. Then I vetted a Perks. Master 3 year old a few weeks later. I don't have the time to type all that X-rays found. $700 down the drain but saved me $8500. Next I decided on Derby, the horse listed in my ad. He was 2 and X-rays were beautiful and we even scoped him for respiratory/flapper issues. Passed with flying colors! Spent about $1000 on vet check but ended up having PSSM Type 2. So, after investing nearly $8K on purchase price and training, I now have a high maintenance gelding that requires more time than I have to keep him feeling good. These are just some of my experiences with vet checks saving and not saving me money in the long run! LOL Hope you can learn from my experience, but I, myself, will continue to spend a little up front if I can avoid investing time and money into a prospect that won't make it. Charlie is a full sibling to a mare that is exhibitioning very tough right now...and his sire has produced several BIG winners....so I would say he was better than decent.....broke his leg out with an adult gelding??? It had NOTHING TO DO W/ BONE DENSITY...WHICH YOUR POST IMPLIED.....maybe management is an issue.
c'mon now....you gals are smart....make the connections......
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Location: Iowa, LA | Boy! I sure did manage to ruffle a few feathers!  To make myself clear- yes, I did mean to use Charlie's example to make two points:
1) No matter the price tag, $6500 or $18K, I will still spend the money to do a thorough vet check with radiographs.
2) Even if you do everything right in the vet check, things can still go wrong. In my case it was the stupidity of turning Charlie out with my gelding, who has never shown one aggressive behavior towards any of my yearlings. (Now, my mare, on the other hand, WOULD KICK.) I do take the blame for that and have re-lived that day multiple times. I cried my eyes out for days wishing I had made a different decision. I don't even know if my gelding kicked him, however. It was Charlie's back leg that was broken. My gelding did not have a scratch on him. I wish I knew.
I want to clarify that I DO NOT think there was any type of bone density issue and that the Hanover's were great to deal with! I guess I did not type enough info last night on my phone! I'll take the blame for that. I am NOT saying they were bad breeders or don't feed their babies correct vitamins/minerals which then cause bones to break. I also want to clarify that by "decent" I meant that, while he wasn't a 20K prospect, he was still worth paying for those important radiographs. I was NOT trying to infer that he was not well bred.
If dhdqhllc is inferring that Donna Hanover is upset that I told that Derby was PSSM Type 2 positive (which I have no idea and am only assuming), to that I can only respond with, "It is what it is." Both of my PSSM positive horses have had their results emailed to their breeders and so, my part is done. I certainly will not sell him WITHOUT being straight about WHY I am selling him. I certainly don't think his breeder KNEW he was positive, just as I don't believe my mare's breeder KNEW she was positive. Maybe I'm naive, but I would hope that wasn't the case. However, I WILL NOT sell either of them without disclosing. I believe that honesty is the best policy.
I have received numerous emails, phone calls, and private messages from people who are just learning that their horses have PSSM due to me being vocal about it. If I can save someone thousands of dollars in vet bills and their horse the pain of unnecessary surguries and injections by ruffling a few feathers, then it is WORTH IT to me me. My mare was miserable for a very long time.....YEARS....due to the fact that not one vet told me it could have been PSSM. And because of the knowledge I gained from her, it made Derby's life much easier because I recognized his symptoms almost immediately.
If that is what being a POS is about, then I guess call me a POS.
So, to the original poster, the moral of my story is get the most thorough vet check you can afford(including radiographs, lameness exams, AND genetic disorders), and even then, it may not be enough. I apologive for high-jacking your thread with non-sense! LOL I seem to do that alot! | |
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| dhdqhllc - 2013-12-03 11:37 AM
 why would this be necessary on a yearling?????  and if a yearling is that concerning that it leads you down a path of this much evaluation, unless it is some kind of super horse prospect, why bother?????  and even then, radiographs really aren't going to tell you much about future prognosis....unless you want to use the results as a bargaining point..???
Pretty much all of that
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Location: Oklahoma | dhdqhllc - 2013-12-03 1:37 PM
i guess maybe i can see that for OCD issues......still can't for nav........i'm curious what bloodlines are more consistantly prone ot OCD??Â
None that I know of. It's a nutritional thing from what my vet says. Poor conformation also can contribute. | |
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Location: Michigan | dianeguinn - 2013-12-05 5:54 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-03 1:37 PM i guess maybe i can see that for OCD issues......still can't for nav........i'm curious what bloodlines are more consistantly prone ot OCD?? None that I know of. It's a nutritional thing from what my vet says. Poor conformation also can contribute.
In this country, I don't think any studies have been done specifically proving a genetic link. Â However there has been a lot more work in Europe studying OCD (or just OC) and they have been able to demonstrate certain stallions being more prone to throwing it. Â Most of the work that I am aware of has been done in warmbloods. There is published literature that maybe I can dig up when I'm at school.
 It's currently considered a multifactorial disease.  I am sure nutrition plays a part some of the time.  However, in some of my personal experiences, I have reason to believe genetics can be a major factor.
ETA: Apparently Cornell is working on trying to figure out problematic genes. http://www.vet.cornell.edu/zweig/projects/nixon08OCD.cfm
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Location: Iowa, LA | DVM2Be - 2013-12-05 6:25 PM dianeguinn - 2013-12-05 5:54 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-03 1:37 PM i guess maybe i can see that for OCD issues......still can't for nav........i'm curious what bloodlines are more consistantly prone ot OCD?? None that I know of. It's a nutritional thing from what my vet says. Poor conformation also can contribute.
It's currently considered a multifactorial disease. I am sure nutrition plays a part some of the time. However, in some of my personal experiences, I have reason to believe genetics can be a major factor. ETA: Apparently Cornell is working on trying to figure out problematic genes. http://www.vet.cornell.edu/zweig/projects/nixon08OCD.cfm
I have to agree with you! From my experience with breeding to a certain stallion, and from other owners telling me of discovering OCD lesions in their similarly bred horses. Also, I've discussed this at length with a vet at LSU who agrees that there is definitely a genetic component. | |
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