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Location: Washington | My 6yr old gelding has things thing where he wants to fade through the eye and try to round house early. It takes everything I have to get him THROUGH the eye and it is really killing those last ticks of the clock. I never roundhouse going slow I always take him straight to the fence and stop. And when I am trying to ride him through straight I am sure my riding isn't helping...because I am trying to push, use leg, steady on the outside rein to try and keep him straight. It is just UGH lol. I have never had to deal with this so am clueless lol.
We about had a prickly accident in our bottom pasture. Have a dirt patch ripped up where I work them on the pattern since it is WIDE open....well we are on the river so there are prickly bush/tree things around the edge and we start right by them and he went to round house almost into them and I gave him 3/4 good jerks on the outside rein (believe me I felt HORRIBLE but I REALLY didn't want to pick 2in long thorns from myself). He hasn't tried it since and will go freely down the ripped alley way.
So I am not sure if it is the fence....or knowing that he is done running after he round houses? Maybe he is roundhouse sour lol!
Here is a couple runs where you can see it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-fzsiOseTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEZgXyrQab8
I have tried the over and under and it did get his attention and he did keep going....but I am not the handiest person when it comes to finding it lol. Any help would be GREAT!
Also....the big pocket he has going on 3rd (completely my fault but he only wants to over exagerate it at races away from home and is sorta everywhere when he does it) I fixed 2nd and 3rd is getting better but just some extra tips are always helpful :)
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Location: Deep South | Do you always run to a closed gate? |
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Location: Washington | BamaCanChaser - 2013-12-09 3:51 PM Do you always run to a closed gate?
Yes around here that is all we have, never an alley or open gate...at NBHA finals this summer when I T/O him I had them leave the gates open (center gates) and told the people around and outside to pay attention because I wasn't stopping him. Pushing him through the open gate helped for the weekend as he was much freer and didn't shut down. But there are no arenas that are run out, which kinda sucks. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | BamaCanChaser - 2013-12-09 5:51 PM Do you always run to a closed gate?
My question also. |
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Location: Central TX | i live in TX so we mostly have alleys but i have ran at a few with a closed gate and I always just throw in those extra last hard kicks right when I'm close to the eye and all i can say is carry your over and under and get whipping. sometimes i pick up both my reins and push with my hands too.. Not much you can do except ride hard. |
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Location: Deep South | BarrelsRmyLife - 2013-12-09 5:56 PM BamaCanChaser - 2013-12-09 3:51 PM Do you always run to a closed gate? Yes around here that is all we have, never an alley or open gate...at NBHA finals this summer when I T/O him I had them leave the gates open (center gates) and told the people around and outside to pay attention because I wasn't stopping him. Pushing him through the open gate helped for the weekend as he was much freer and didn't shut down. But there are no arenas that are run out, which kinda sucks.
I think you kinda answered your own question. :)
This is all that I was going to suggest, just finding somewhere to run out of an open gate. Where I live, we almost never run to a closed gate, or if we do the gate is at the end of an alley, but I have bought horses that came from other places that did run to closed gates. Just a couple of runs and they were over it. |
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Location: Washington | If only he was that easy lol...I have kicked and pushed and whipped. He still puts on the breaks lol.
I am think MAYBE pack a whip on the left side (that ought to be entertaining) and whacking his shoulder? In hopes to get him to stop at least leaning to the left when I feel him start to fade? Yay nay? |
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Location: Washington | BamaCanChaser - 2013-12-09 5:15 PM BarrelsRmyLife - 2013-12-09 5:56 PM BamaCanChaser - 2013-12-09 3:51 PM Do you always run to a closed gate? Yes around here that is all we have, never an alley or open gate...at NBHA finals this summer when I T/O him I had them leave the gates open (center gates) and told the people around and outside to pay attention because I wasn't stopping him. Pushing him through the open gate helped for the weekend as he was much freer and didn't shut down. But there are no arenas that are run out, which kinda sucks. I think you kinda answered your own question. : )
This is all that I was going to suggest, just finding somewhere to run out of an open gate. Where I live, we almost never run to a closed gate, or if we do the gate is at the end of an alley, but I have bought horses that came from other places that did run to closed gates. Just a couple of runs and they were over it.
We are good friends with some board members of our rodeo and they let you use the arena often as you want...so I guess in the spring I will go use that facility and do some tuning on running OUT the gate in hopes that that will help....hopefully. |
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Location: MD | This post brings up one of my biggest pet peeves, fading one, or circling at the end of a run. I've run a ton of closed gate pens in my time. Actually ran a TON of them in FL. My guys learn to run to the fence and stop. I know that many will argue that those stops are hard on them. I just don't see where a horse who is square and upright, coming to a big stop is as harmful to a horse's body as dropping a shoulder and twisting themselves all out of position while still running at a fair rate of speed. Now, I realize that in some small setups, one may need to circle, but in either of the pens shown here, I'd sure be teaching that sucker the meaning of straight!
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Location: Texas! | Don't look at the timer yourself, your horse does not know where the timer is but your body language changes when you watch that eye and you yourself sometimes with give subtle cues that will cause them to shut down early. Also, carrying a whip and giving a good pop or two right where they usually shut down on you helps as well. |
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| Alot of people I see quit riding when they look for where the eye is... Just look at the fence like you are going to go right through it. They will stop. Also teaching them to stop at it properly helps a lot. Start at a walk - go to fence say whoa and let the fence stop them. Then jog, lope, slow gallop faster etc. Eventually you can fly at it, and as soon as you start sitting.. it can be 2-3 strides away.. they will know how to stop at it properly and it wont scare them.
First time I ran out of an open gate... my guy started slowing and pretty much was loping at the gate line.. saw the open field and TOOK OFF then chucked a big buck in, and WAHOO! I put money in the swear jar on that one...  |
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Location: PNW | Where in Washington do you live? Have you ever ran at Rosanne's in Scappoose, OR? Her indoor has a nice alley - it is my gelding's favorite arena in the entire region for that reason. He will literally clock .3-.5 better there than anywhere else with the same size pattern.
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Location: Washington | We are in Okanogan/Omak. We go to her race over the 4th and really wish we lived closer! I love her indoor (and outdoor) but never have had the chance to run him in there. Would really like to see how he does there. |
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Location: PNW | BarrelsRmyLife - 2013-12-09 9:35 PM
We are in Okanogan/Omak. We go to her race over the 4th and really wish we lived closer! I love her indoor (and outdoor) but never have had the chance to run him in there. Would really like to see how he does there.
I would make the five hour drive from where we live to go to Rosanne's just for a two day race. She has the BEST set up. My gelding will shut down in closed-gate pens also, and the best solution I've found for him is running him in Scappoose as often as I can. He just generally dislikes little indoors, but he will RUN at her place. It's a long haul to get there reformism where we live on the South coast of Oregon - but so worth the confidence that pen has given my guy. |
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Location: PNW | *from where we live*
Not "reformism" - stupid iPad |
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| If you are in the North Washington area, you are close to me and have probably been to the same races once or twice.... have you thought about hitting some jackpots or doing some BCBRA races in the Osoyoos or Okanagan area (spelt different lol) There is a nice arena in Cawston that has the open gate with the hay field I was telling you about lol! Nice big arenas here and lots of room to shut down and teach them to run to the fence after the eye. |
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Location: Washington | Puddy - 2013-12-09 8:12 PM If you are in the North Washington area, you are close to me and have probably been to the same races once or twice.... have you thought about hitting some jackpots or doing some BCBRA races in the Osoyoos or Okanagan area (spelt different lol) There is a nice arena in Cawston that has the open gate with the hay field I was telling you about lol! Nice big arenas here and lots of room to shut down and teach them to run to the fence after the eye.
I need to get my passport next year and hit some races across the border, since there are some close ones and we are only 40min or so from the border. And it would be good for him (well both really) to get ran on different ground. Thanks for the idea lol! I didn't even think about that, and not sure why it hadn't crossed my mind before! |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | WrapSnap - 2013-12-09 7:37 PM This post brings up one of my biggest pet peeves, fading one, or circling at the end of a run. I've run a ton of closed gate pens in my time. Actually ran a TON of them in FL. My guys learn to run to the fence and stop. I know that many will argue that those stops are hard on them. I just don't see where a horse who is square and upright, coming to a big stop is as harmful to a horse's body as dropping a shoulder and twisting themselves all out of position while still running at a fair rate of speed. Now, I realize that in some small setups, one may need to circle, but in either of the pens shown here, I'd sure be teaching that sucker the meaning of straight! Nice little horse, btw!
I have three pet peeves. Circling to start, circling to stop and not stopping when asked.
I feel like the first two set up habits that will eventually cost you at the pay window and the third is just plain old dangerous. |
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| I think its the Winnemucca Arena..... I would say 80% of the horses shut down just because of the set up. My gelding wont open up in that arena. Turning your horse in a circle at the end is the safest way to exit in that arena. You are correct about not being able to run back out of an alley in Nevada. Here's my run during the Finals..... my horse shuts down quick coming home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYj3pPqtMac
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