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hammer_time
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 I stumbled across this and thought it was very interesting. What do you think?  What if you think of this in terms of your horses?
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In July I posted a blog discussing the overuse of cryotherapy. The controversy surrounding the topic made it one of the most popular blogs I’ve written. What is surprising to me is that a controversy exists at all. Why, where, and when did this notion of anti-inflammation start? Ice, compression, elevation and NSAIDs are so commonplace that suggesting otherwise is laughable to most. Enter an Athletic Training Room or Physical Therapy Clinic nearly all clients are receiving some type of anti-inflammatory treatment (ice, compression, massage, NSAIDs, biophysical modalities, etc). I evaluated a client the other day and asked what are you doing currently – “Well, I am taking anti-inflammatories and icing.” Why do you want to get rid of inflammation and swelling? I ask this question for both chronic and acute injury!

The Stigma of Inflammation
Editor in Chief of The Physician and Sports Medicine Journal (Dr. Nick DiNubile) once posed this question: “Seriously, do you honestly believe that your body’s natural inflammatory response is a mistake?” Much like a fever increases body temperature to kill off foreign invaders; inflammation is the first physiological process to the repair and remodeling of tissue. Inflammation, repair, and remodel. You cannot have tissue repair or remodeling without inflammation.  In a healthy healing process, a proliferative phase consisting of a mixture of inflammatory cells and fibroblasts naturally follows the inflammatory phase (1).

Researchers headed by Lan Zhou, MD, PhD, at the Cleveland Clinic, found that in response to acute muscle injury, inflammatory cells within the damaged muscle conduct phagocytosis, contribute to accumulation of intramuscular macrophages, and produce a high-level of Insulin-like growth factor 1, (IGF-1) which is required for muscle regeneration (3). IGF-1 is a primary mediator of the effects of growth hormone and a stimulator of cell growth and proliferation, and a potent inhibitor of programmed cell death. Similarly, in 2010, Cottrell and O’Conner stated “overwhelmingly, NSAIDs inhibit or delay fracture healing” (2). And you want to stop this critical process of healing by applying ice, because inflammation is “bad”? 

The Anecdotal Rationale for Ice
Somewhere along the line the concept that ice facilitates healing became conventional wisdom. Sorry, that wisdom is wrong. I had someone tell me the other day, “We need to ice, because we need to get the swelling out.” Really? Does ice facilitate movement of fluid out of the injured area? No, it does not. The lymphatic system removes swelling. The Textbook of Medical Physiology says it best:
“The lymphatic system is a ‘scavenger’ system that removes excess fluid, protein molecules, debris, and other matter from the tissue spaces. When fluid enters the terminal lymphatic capillaries, any motion in the tissues that intermittently compresses the lymphatic capillaries propels the lymph forward through the lymphatic system, eventually emptying the lymph back into the circulation.”
Lymphatic drainage is facilitated by contraction of surrounding muscle and changes in compressive forces that push the fluid back to the cardiovascular system. This is why ankle pumps works so well and removing swelling accumulation.

Besides, since when is swelling a bad thing? Swelling is a necessary component in the first phase of phase of the healing process. Swelling is controlled by the body’s internal systems to attain homeostasis. If swelling is accumulated it is not because there is excessive swelling, rather it is because lymphatic drainage is slowed. The thought that ice application increases lymphatic flow to remove debris makes no sense. Gary Reinl, author of “Iced! The Illusionary Treatment option gave me a good analogy. Take two tubes of toothpaste, one is under ice for 20 minutes, the other is warmed to 99 degrees. In which tube will the toothpaste flow fastest?  It does not take an advanced physics degree to know that answer.

What might surprise you is that ice actually reverses lymphatic drainage and pushes fluid back to interstitial space. A study published in 1986 (yes, 1986, is old, but this is a foundational study) found when ice is applied to a body part for a prolonged period of time; lymphatic vessels begin to dramatically increase permeability. As lymphatic permeability increases fluid will pour from the lymphatics into the injured area, increasing the amount of local swelling (5). Ice can increase swelling and retard debris removal!

Load Facilitates Repair
The acronym RICE is bogus in my opinion. Rest is not the answer. Rest does not stimulate tissue repair. In fact rest causes tissue to waste. The other reason RICE is bogus is obvious, ice. Evidence has shown that tissue loading through exercise or other mechanical means stimulates gene transcription, proteogenesis, and formation of type I collagen fibers (See studies by Karim Khan, Durieux, Mick Joseph, and Craig Denegar). Ice does nothing to facilitate collagen formation.

Our body has all types of cells. When a cell is born it has no clue what type of cell it will eventually become. This infancy cell – for lack of a better term – is called a progenitor cell. Progenitor cells can be changed to a specific cell type. Load in tendon tells our body to turn a progenitor cell in to a tenocyte. Load in bone tells a progenitor cell to become an osteocyte. Ever wonder why myositis ossificans (calcification or bone growth in muscle) develops? The direct, repeated trauma turns progenitor cell currently living within muscle to an osteocyte. Subsequently, we develop bone growth within muscle.

Ice will not influence progenitor cells development. Ice does not regenerate tissue. Ice does not facilitate healing – it inhibits natural healing process from occurring. Ice does not remove swelling; it increases swelling and lymphatic backflow.

Closing thoughts
Bottom line, ice and NSAIDs are over utilized. I am not saying never, but I am saying ice is not a magical cure all that fixes everything and is required for healing. It is not the gold standard that it has come to be. My goal with this blog is to get individuals to stop and think before immediately turning to ice and NSAIDs. Is it really the best option? Is it necessary for this injury at this stage? I understand it is not the only form of treatment clinicians use, but ice certainly is the most heavily used.  My goal is to get this trend reversed one clinician and one patient at a time. Have you seen the video discussion between Kelly Starrett, DPT and Gary Reinl? If not I recommend you watch it. It’s fascinating. I am glad to have expert minds like Kelly and Gary in this fight with me.

I ask health care professionals to do one thing, just try it. Pick one client with chronic musculoskeletal pain, skip the ice, skip the NSAIDs and try to use light exercise as a repair stimulus. Then, try skipping the ice on a client with an acute mild injury. The outcomes might surprise you.

Great Thought Provoking Reads

NATA 2013 Meeting. **If you have access – read these**
Selkow, NM, Pritchard, K.  CRYOTHERAPY FOR THE 21ST  CENTURY: UPDATED RECOMMENDATIONS, TECHNIQUES, AND OUTCOMES. NATA 2013 Annual Meeting.
Dolan. New Concepts in the Management of Acute Musculoskeletal Injury. NATA 2013 Annual Meeting.
Johnson, M, Denegar, C. Mechanobiology, Cell Differentiation and Tendinopathy – From Bench to Bedside. NATA 2013 Annual Meeting.

http://athleticmedicine.wordpress.com/2013/11/07/why-ice-and-anti-inflammatory-medication-is-not-the-answer/

Edited by hammer_time 2013-12-11 12:58 PM
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Nateracer
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2013-12-11 12:11 PM
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I like the article!   
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Gunner11
Reg. Mar 2011
Posted 2013-12-11 1:03 PM
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I saw this too and shared it on my FB page. I commented on it about how my gelding hurt his leg in April and instead of using ice therapy, I used Back on Track wraps. I truly don't understand how ice is supposed to promote healing, so I never used it on him.
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OregonBR
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2013-12-11 1:07 PM
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I told someone a long time ago that NSAIDS retard healing. I thought they were going to hunt me down.  Their vet told them to give NSAIDS and THAT was what they were going to do.  Some people just don't want to think for themselves.   
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Calibarrelrcr
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2013-12-11 2:00 PM
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I believe Ice has its place, but it needs to be used properly. I work as a certified athletic trainer, and believe that yes you do need ice, but in addition you also need the proper rehab and exercise to go along with it. When you sustain an injury, it may be necessary to rest for a short period of time, but not for as long as some people choose to. Inflammation is a good thing until it stays in there too long, then it becomes problematic and you sustain the pain-spasm-pain cycle. I feel a carefully monitored and controlled exercise and rehab program is critical in promoting proper tissue remodeling and other therapies such as ice, heat, ultrasound, etc should be used to compliment the program and rehab goals.

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sassy&tessa
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2013-12-11 2:33 PM
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ummmm, tell my body that ice shouldn't have been used.  I won't tell you how many body parts have been injured but it is a lot.

I think the concept is interesting and I agree with Cali, it has its place.  When I was playing sports I did both heat (hot tub and heat pad) as well as ice.  Took aspirin or naproxen.  Used ultra sound stuff on different things (I was at the PT ALL of the time growing up-it was ridiculous).

I think the most important thing is to evaluate what is going on and make a smart decision about it.  I wouldn't necessarily go straight for the ice but I wouldn't go straight to magnets either.
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rodeorun68
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2013-12-11 3:07 PM
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I really liked the article. I agree that ice has a place but I personally prefer hydro therapy and products that increase blood flow. Using my own body as an example, when I have problems with my back & shoulders, many times, it's heat and certain herbs or MSM that really works for me.  
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cheryl makofka
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2013-12-11 3:17 PM
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I read it and would like hot bear love to weigh in. I agree with the NSAIDs as it suppresses the immune system, and can suppress bone marrow production.

I agree with whoever said hydrotherapy is the way to go, but it is cold hydrotherapy
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casualdust07
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2013-12-11 3:33 PM
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first off osteoprogenitor cells do not produce osteocytes, they produce osteoblasts. Osteoblasts in turn make osteocytes after the osteoblasts are activated. I would also want to check their information because I do not think progenitor cells work as freely as this article states. Progenitor cells are not like stem cells, in the fact that progenitor cells are programmed to mature into a specific cell… they aren't clean slates and I would be willing to bet their example of bone cells growing from muscle- I would bet it doesn't *quite* work that way.


I was always taught that you ice when the injury is new, and then after the acute phase you use heat.


You want to manage inflammation. Left to its own devices healthy tissue surrounding the injury site can get damaged in the healing process.


Another point to remember is the inflammatory response will trigger the body to produce cortisol, which is what glucocorticoids function like (just way more potent than endogenous cortisol).

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dhdqhllc
Reg. Feb 2011
Posted 2013-12-11 3:35 PM
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casualdust07 - 2013-12-11 3:33 PM first off osteoprogenitor cells do not produce osteocytes, they produce osteoblasts. Osteoblasts in turn make osteocytes after the osteoblasts are activated. I would also want to check their information because I do not think progenitor cells work as freely as this article states. Progenitor cells are not like stem cells, in the fact that progenitor cells are programmed to mature into a specific cell… they aren't clean slates and I would be willing to bet their example of bone cells growing from muscle- I would bet it doesn't *quite* work that way. I was always taught that you ice when the injury is new, and then after the acute phase you use heat. You want to manage inflammation. Left to its own devices healthy tissue surrounding the injury site can get damaged in the healing process. Another point to remember is the inflammatory response will trigger the body to produce cortisol, which is what glucocorticoids function like (just way more potent than endogenous cortisol).

 someone that understands that there's a lot more to this than what this article tries and fails to show.....
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casualdust07
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2013-12-11 3:43 PM
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hammer_time - 2013-12-11 12:05 PM

 I stumbled across this and thought it was very interesting. What do you think?  What if you think of this in terms of your horses?
...................................................


In July I posted a blog discussing the overuse of cryotherapy. The controversy surrounding the topic made it one of the most popular blogs I’ve written. What is surprising to me is that a controversy exists at all. Why, where, and when did this notion of anti-inflammation start? Ice, compression, elevation and NSAIDs are so commonplace that suggesting otherwise is laughable to most. Enter an Athletic Training Room or Physical Therapy Clinic nearly all clients are receiving some type of anti-inflammatory treatment (ice, compression, massage, NSAIDs, biophysical modalities, etc). I evaluated a client the other day and asked what are you doing currently – “Well, I am taking anti-inflammatories and icing.” Why do you want to get rid of inflammation and swelling? I ask this question for both chronic and acute injury!

The Stigma of Inflammation
Editor in Chief of The Physician and Sports Medicine Journal (Dr. Nick DiNubile) once posed this question: “Seriously, do you honestly believe that your body’s natural inflammatory response is a mistake?” Much like a fever increases body temperature to kill off foreign invaders; inflammation is the first physiological process to the repair and remodeling of tissue. Inflammation, repair, and remodel. You cannot have tissue repair or remodeling without inflammation.  In a healthy healing process, a proliferative phase consisting of a mixture of inflammatory cells and fibroblasts naturally follows the inflammatory phase (1).

Researchers headed by Lan Zhou, MD, PhD, at the Cleveland Clinic, found that in response to acute muscle injury, inflammatory cells within the damaged muscle conduct phagocytosis, contribute to accumulation of intramuscular macrophages, and produce a high-level of Insulin-like growth factor 1, (IGF-1) which is required for muscle regeneration (3). IGF-1 is a primary mediator of the effects of growth hormone and a stimulator of cell growth and proliferation, and a potent inhibitor of programmed cell death. Similarly, in 2010, Cottrell and O’Conner stated “overwhelmingly, NSAIDs inhibit or delay fracture healing” (2). And you want to stop this critical process of healing by applying ice, because inflammation is “bad”? 

The Anecdotal Rationale for Ice
Somewhere along the line the concept that ice facilitates healing became conventional wisdom. Sorry, that wisdom is wrong. I had someone tell me the other day, “We need to ice, because we need to get the swelling out.” Really? Does ice facilitate movement of fluid out of the injured area? No, it does not. The lymphatic system removes swelling. The Textbook of Medical Physiology says it best:
“The lymphatic system is a ‘scavenger’ system that removes excess fluid, protein molecules, debris, and other matter from the tissue spaces. When fluid enters the terminal lymphatic capillaries, any motion in the tissues that intermittently compresses the lymphatic capillaries propels the lymph forward through the lymphatic system, eventually emptying the lymph back into the circulation.”
Lymphatic drainage is facilitated by contraction of surrounding muscle and changes in compressive forces that push the fluid back to the cardiovascular system. This is why ankle pumps works so well and removing swelling accumulation.

Besides, since when is swelling a bad thing? Swelling is a necessary component in the first phase of phase of the healing process. Swelling is controlled by the body’s internal systems to attain homeostasis. If swelling is accumulated it is not because there is excessive swelling, rather it is because lymphatic drainage is slowed. The thought that ice application increases lymphatic flow to remove debris makes no sense. Gary Reinl, author of “Iced! The Illusionary Treatment option gave me a good analogy. Take two tubes of toothpaste, one is under ice for 20 minutes, the other is warmed to 99 degrees. In which tube will the toothpaste flow fastest?  It does not take an advanced physics degree to know that answer.

What might surprise you is that ice actually reverses lymphatic drainage and pushes fluid back to interstitial space. A study published in 1986 (yes, 1986, is old, but this is a foundational study) found when ice is applied to a body part for a prolonged period of time; lymphatic vessels begin to dramatically increase permeability. As lymphatic permeability increases fluid will pour from the lymphatics into the injured area, increasing the amount of local swelling (5). Ice can increase swelling and retard debris removal!

Load Facilitates Repair
The acronym RICE is bogus in my opinion. Rest is not the answer. Rest does not stimulate tissue repair. In fact rest causes tissue to waste. The other reason RICE is bogus is obvious, ice. Evidence has shown that tissue loading through exercise or other mechanical means stimulates gene transcription, proteogenesis, and formation of type I collagen fibers (See studies by Karim Khan, Durieux, Mick Joseph, and Craig Denegar). Ice does nothing to facilitate collagen formation.

Our body has all types of cells. When a cell is born it has no clue what type of cell it will eventually become. This infancy cell – for lack of a better term – is called a progenitor cell. Progenitor cells can be changed to a specific cell type. Load in tendon tells our body to turn a progenitor cell in to a tenocyte. Load in bone tells a progenitor cell to become an osteocyte. Ever wonder why myositis ossificans (calcification or bone growth in muscle) develops? The direct, repeated trauma turns progenitor cell currently living within muscle to an osteocyte. Subsequently, we develop bone growth within muscle.

Ice will not influence progenitor cells development. Ice does not regenerate tissue. Ice does not facilitate healing – it inhibits natural healing process from occurring. Ice does not remove swelling; it increases swelling and lymphatic backflow.

Closing thoughts
Bottom line, ice and NSAIDs are over utilized. I am not saying never, but I am saying ice is not a magical cure all that fixes everything and is required for healing. It is not the gold standard that it has come to be. My goal with this blog is to get individuals to stop and think before immediately turning to ice and NSAIDs. Is it really the best option? Is it necessary for this injury at this stage? I understand it is not the only form of treatment clinicians use, but ice certainly is the most heavily used.  My goal is to get this trend reversed one clinician and one patient at a time. Have you seen the video discussion between Kelly Starrett, DPT and Gary Reinl? If not I recommend you watch it. It’s fascinating. I am glad to have expert minds like Kelly and Gary in this fight with me.

I ask health care professionals to do one thing, just try it. Pick one client with chronic musculoskeletal pain, skip the ice, skip the NSAIDs and try to use light exercise as a repair stimulus. Then, try skipping the ice on a client with an acute mild injury. The outcomes might surprise you.

Great Thought Provoking Reads

NATA 2013 Meeting. **If you have access – read these**
Selkow, NM, Pritchard, K.  CRYOTHERAPY FOR THE 21ST  CENTURY: UPDATED RECOMMENDATIONS, TECHNIQUES, AND OUTCOMES. NATA 2013 Annual Meeting.
Dolan. New Concepts in the Management of Acute Musculoskeletal Injury. NATA 2013 Annual Meeting.
Johnson, M, Denegar, C. Mechanobiology, Cell Differentiation and Tendinopathy – From Bench to Bedside. NATA 2013 Annual Meeting.

http://athleticmedicine.wordpress.com/2013/11/07/why-ice-and-anti-inflammatory-medication-is-not-the-answer/

I read up on this statement:

Our body has all types of cells. When a cell is born it has no clue what type of cell it will eventually become. This infancy cell – for lack of a better term – is called a progenitor cell. Progenitor cells can be changed to a specific cell type. Load in tendon tells our body to turn a progenitor cell in to a tenocyte. Load in bone tells a progenitor cell to become an osteocyte. Ever wonder why myositis ossificans (calcification or bone growth in muscle) develops? The direct, repeated trauma turns progenitor cell currently living within muscle to an osteocyte. Subsequently, we develop bone growth within muscle.


This is not entirely true. Research has found that there are osteoprogenitor cells living in other places than bone. Osteoprogenitor cells can only make osteoblasts. You can't turn them around like stem cells and make anything out of them. They were stimulated to make bone because they are programmed to make bone.

Another thing- FIBROBLASTS make tenocytes. fibroblasts make most of all of our connective tissue. this is all a step past, or a few steps past, what stem cells do.
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willrodeo4food
Reg. Dec 2004
Posted 2013-12-11 4:43 PM
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From the last paragraph of the article it seems then author is discussing chronic musculoskeletal pain. This is a lot different than acute injury. You certainly are not going go treat arthritis the same way you would a muscle or tendon tear.
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rodeoveteran
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Posted 2013-12-11 5:17 PM
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Depends on the injury AND the individual.

Maybe NSAIDS can be bad for you but with my Fibro and Spondylothesis in my lower back, I would not have been very functional for many years without them. The problems caused in my lower back respond well to icing most of the time. If ignored, the pain and inflammation continues or gets worse. Magnets make me exponentially worse. BOT seems to be ineffective. Rest is not an option....critters got to be cared for.

Given the choice of NSAIDS or nerve medications for the Fibro, like Lyrica...well, I will take my chances with Ibuprophen and an assortment of "natural supplements".

I will continue to evaluate and treat injuries as suggested by my chiro. Ice for the first 24-48 hours then ice alternated with heat. Remember excess inflammation can bring it's own problems. Hubby and I have always believed in pushing a little when it comes to physical "therapy". If you rest things for the full time prescribed by doctors, it seems to take longer and not heal as well as when we push it a little....within reason. I treat my horses the same way.
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daisycake123
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Posted 2013-12-12 6:34 AM
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Good article, i also think that physical therapy is way over done. Five years ago my knees starting swelling and hurtins. Went to a ortho doc, said i,had bursitis after xray. Told me ice kness both knees and wrap them to reduce swelling because i,had bursitis and hemdid not,want to inject, went to,primary care she injected them at my request still pain and swelling they tried to give me nsaids but all over my charts says i cant take them, somach problems. So went to another ortho bacuse pain swelling had gotton worse, injected the knee with the wose swelling (dont think pa got it in the joint) ten days later still have same problem made another appt, they saw the swelling said needed mri came back for,follow up they told me that i needed six weeks of pt 3 times a week and do not,come back until i finished all the pt which ment not to,come back. Made an appointment with doc in richmond at the medical college, carried a copy of my scan he looked at my scan and my knees, he remark was that i needed to,get some blood test he thought that i had some inflammatory problem, blood work came back, he called me said he made me appointment with a rheumatologist. 3 weeks later i had a diagnosis of RA. I have had back problems, and neck problems horse accident every time you go to a othro or back doctor even if you just want a comformation on a diagnosis doctors pile you up with nsaids and pt, i know does help but it is,way over prscribed. Like i said i have ra both of my ankles started hurting this summer so bad could not hardly walk had swelling went to orthro, he gave me a script of nsaids and told me i need to go to pt, i told him no. I did however buy several pairs of shoes. His diagnosis was,sprianed ankles.

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casualdust07
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2013-12-12 10:02 AM
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I talked to my immunology professor. This is what he said about inflammation-

its a necessary precursor to healing. its designed to remove the source of inflammation, if its an injurious agent, or if it's damage its designed to remove and clean up the damaged cells and initiate the repair process. This is what he said about delaying healing, "So interference with inflammation may delay healing. But it is usually a minor delay. Unless you are using prolonged doses of glucocorticoids, I have not heard of anyone worrying about delayed healing."

He also equated the use of NSAIDs and inflammation/healing response to the goldilocks principle. He said sometimes inflammation is too much, and excessive, and can damage good tissue. So you want to moderate the inflammatory response to get enough of what you want the body to do without going overboard.

Swelling he said helps immobilize joints to prevent further damage of tissue, and pain is the body's way of reinforcing that immobilization. Lymph drainage is part of the clean up process. He also said that once again, swelling needs to be maintained- too much can damage healthy tissue as well.


He summed it up to being a judgment call- if its mild, leave the body to its own devices. If it's severe, then you will need to moderate it.
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Posted 2013-12-12 10:12 AM
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casualdust07 - 2013-12-12 10:02 AM I talked to my immunology professor. This is what he said about inflammation- its a necessary precursor to healing. its designed to remove the source of inflammation, if its an injurious agent, or if it's damage its designed to remove and clean up the damaged cells and initiate the repair process. This is what he said about delaying healing, "So interference with inflammation may delay healing. But it is usually a minor delay. Unless you are using prolonged doses of glucocorticoids, I have not heard of anyone worrying about delayed healing." He also equated the use of NSAIDs and inflammation/healing response to the goldilocks principle. He said sometimes inflammation is too much, and excessive, and can damage good tissue. So you want to moderate the inflammatory response to get enough of what you want the body to do without going overboard. Swelling he said helps immobilize joints to prevent further damage of tissue, and pain is the body's way of reinforcing that immobilization. Lymph drainage is part of the clean up process. He also said that once again, swelling needs to be maintained- too much can damage healthy tissue as well. He summed it up to being a judgment call- if its mild, leave the body to its own devices. If it's severe, then you will need to moderate it.

Thank you... I read this and thought "this is grade A Balonium"

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SugarNCeeH
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Posted 2013-12-12 10:18 AM
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 Here's an article I tweeted a while back that talks about icing too. Just more info for opinions :

http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/ice-down-ride
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SillyFilly55
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Posted 2013-12-12 12:36 PM
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 I'm confused. My understanding is that inflammation harms joints, tendons, etc. & that is the reason that we hose our horses legs down after a race or run - to fight inflammation. So, is this practice of hosing (or any other cold therapy) incorrect or outdated?

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