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    Location: Texas | I didn't like the Total Equine. My horses just didn't look good to me. | |
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           Location: Kansas | workerbee - 2013-12-19 9:14 AM I didn't like the Total Equine. My horses just didn't look good to me.
I think I 'm definitely going to stray away from Total Equine, my best friend is feeding it and now her horses look terrible....they are starting to look sunk in especially in the hip area. She just switched back to safechoice. | |
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    Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | Can I ask, has your horse been diagnosed with a true starch sensativity? Or have you a specific reason for wanting a true low starch feed (or is that an assumption being made by posters)? I didn't actually see that in your original post, but perhaps I read too fast.
I ask because there are only a handful of "true" low starch feeds, suitable for a true, diagnosed starch sensativity. Well Solve L/S being one them. But, if you are not going to dry lot your horse, and they have free will access to pasture...don't waste your money.
There are a lot of feeds available now-a-days that are considered "LOWERED STARCH" feeds. Meaning that they have lower starch and sugar levels than a whole grain & molasses based (sweet) feed. Purina has it's Strategy line, Ultium line, etc. Nutrena has SafeChoice, etc. **Most** pelleted feeds can claim to be a "lowered starch" feed simply because they have by products in them, and little to no molasses. And, BTW..."by-product" doesn't automatically make it a bad feed.
You said Ultium worked, so why not start there? Or if you need to stick with a Purina product due to availability, I'd personally recommend Strategy Healthy Edge. That's what I changed to when it came out, and I love it! My mare has to be on a lowered starch diet due to her EPM and she is great on it.
If I have a customer that is actually experiencing some starch related issues (tying up, or excessive urination, etc) the first thing I have them do is change their turnout habits. I tell them to limit their access to grass until after the dew dries off the grass, and 9 times out of 10, the issue resolves.
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           Location: Kansas | RockinGR - 2013-12-19 1:07 PM Can I ask, has your horse been diagnosed with a true starch sensativity? Or have you a specific reason for wanting a true low starch feed (or is that an assumption being made by posters)? I didn't actually see that in your original post, but perhaps I read too fast. I ask because there are only a handful of "true" low starch feeds, suitable for a true, diagnosed starch sensativity. Well Solve L/S being one them. But, if you are not going to dry lot your horse, and they have free will access to pasture...don't waste your money. There are a lot of feeds available now-a-days that are considered "LOWERED STARCH" feeds. Meaning that they have lower starch and sugar levels than a whole grain & molasses based (sweet) feed. Purina has it's Strategy line, Ultium line, etc. Nutrena has SafeChoice, etc. **Most** pelleted feeds can claim to be a "lowered starch" feed simply because they have by products in them, and little to no molasses. And, BTW..."by-product" doesn't automatically make it a bad feed. You said Ultium worked, so why not start there? Or if you need to stick with a Purina product due to availability, I'd personally recommend Strategy Healthy Edge. That's what I changed to when it came out, and I love it! My mare has to be on a lowered starch diet due to her EPM and she is great on it. If I have a customer that is actually experiencing some starch related issues (tying up, or excessive urination, etc) the first thing I have them do is change their turnout habits. I tell them to limit their access to grass until after the dew dries off the grass, and 9 times out of 10, the issue resolves.
She was diagnosed with Fibrotic Myopathy 2 years go, vet who diagnosed her said to try and avoid grains full of starch and to put her on a high fat diet. He also believed she had PSSM which was also a reason why he suggested a high fat diet. | |
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      Location: Willows, CA | When I mentioned the frequent use of the term "byproduct" on the feed label, my point was that you really do not know what that broad statement means. This is intentional. While these products may or may not be bad, they do allow the feed company to change the formulation every time they make the product. This is done in order to produce the feed at the lowest production cost as commodity prices change. Horses thrive on consistency. If the only thing consistent from bag to bag is the bag it came in, then I would rather not go there. If the ingredients list is actually printed on the bag it is fixed formulated, if there is a tag added to the bag, it is most likely least cost formulated. As to starch load in the diet, there is a point where the starch in the feeding program is no longer of benefit to the horse to make energy. This happens when more starch is introduced than the horse has enzyme to break it down high in the system. When this happens, too much undigested starch may reach the hind gut, alter the ph, and effect the horses ability to efficiently digest its' hay. At this point, every horse can be considered starch sensitive. | |
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   Location: South TEXAS | hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-19 9:17 AM
workerbee - 2013-12-19 9:14 AM I didn't like the Total Equine. My horses just didn't look good to me.
I think I 'm definitely going to stray away from Total Equine, my best friend is feeding it and now her horses look terrible....they are starting to look sunk in especially in the hip area. She just switched back to safechoice. Â
it takes about 60 days for the total equine to start doing its thing. I tried it once and 30 days in I said NO WAY. a year later I tried it again and gave it the full 60 days and its the best decision I ever made.
it sucks that this feed makes them look so bad that first 30 days because as a horse owner we "think" they are going downhill(and that's definitely not what we want to see) and truly its just pulling fat off and preparing them for the muscle that they will gain.
like I said, I said no the first time but glad I gave it a 2nd chance | |
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    Location: NC | Whatever company you choose to go with, call them & ask about the NSC content in each feed formula. Some post it online. Others don't.
And when the first ingredient in Purina Enrich is 'plant protein byproduct' it makes you wonder. That could be soybeans, corn, cottonseed, milo, anything!! And could change with each bag. That's why people are wary of such broad wordage.
'Soybean meal' 'alfalfa meal' 'wheat middlings' 'dried beet pulp'. All things that can be researched as being ONE product.
Had a friend try enrich 32. Her horse went bonkers. Switched him to TC 30% (same concept/type of feed) & he's fine. No more spooking at dust. And he's losing unnecessary weight & gaining muscle. So no one can tell me that Purina has the 'same kind of feed' as TC or any other QUALITY feed company. | |
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           Location: Kansas | starkfarms - 2013-12-19 2:43 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-19 9:17 AM workerbee - 2013-12-19 9:14 AM I didn't like the Total Equine. My horses just didn't look good to me. I think I 'm definitely going to stray away from Total Equine, my best friend is feeding it and now her horses look terrible....they are starting to look sunk in especially in the hip area. She just switched back to safechoice. it takes about 60 days for the total equine to start doing its thing. I tried it once and 30 days in I said NO WAY. a year later I tried it again and gave it the full 60 days and its the best decision I ever made. it sucks that this feed makes them look so bad that first 30 days because as a horse owner we "think" they are going downhill (and that's definitely not what we want to see ) and truly its just pulling fat off and preparing them for the muscle that they will gain. like I said, I said no the first time but glad I gave it a 2nd chance
She has been feeding it for like 6 months, during the summer they looked great on it....but here recently they have been looking terrible. Even with sitting on a roundbale, not sure what going on with it but I don't want to take the chance. | |
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           Location: Kansas | hlynn - 2013-12-19 2:53 PM Whatever company you choose to go with, call them & ask about the NSC content in each feed formula. Some post it online. Others don't. And when the first ingredient in Purina Enrich is 'plant protein byproduct' it makes you wonder. That could be soybeans, corn, cottonseed, milo, anything!! And could change with each bag. That's why people are wary of such broad wordage. 'Soybean meal' 'alfalfa meal' 'wheat middlings' 'dried beet pulp'. All things that can be researched as being ONE product. Had a friend try enrich 32. Her horse went bonkers. Switched him to TC 30% (same concept/type of feed) & he's fine. No more spooking at dust. And he's losing unnecessary weight & gaining muscle. So no one can tell me that Purina has the 'same kind of feed' as TC or any other QUALITY feed company.
That is what I was worried about as well, I don't want to stick them on something with by products. I really wish I had a store around here that carried triple crown products, I've heard so many good things about it.
This seriously has me stumped on feeding, I've never been good about choosing the right feed | |
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    Location: NC | hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-19 3:57 PM
hlynn - 2013-12-19 2:53 PM Whatever company you choose to go with, call them & ask about the NSC content in each feed formula. Some post it online. Others don't. And when the first ingredient in Purina Enrich is 'plant protein byproduct' it makes you wonder. That could be soybeans, corn, cottonseed, milo, anything!! And could change with each bag. That's why people are wary of such broad wordage. 'Soybean meal' 'alfalfa meal' 'wheat middlings' 'dried beet pulp'. All things that can be researched as being ONE product. Had a friend try enrich 32. Her horse went bonkers. Switched him to TC 30% (same concept/type of feed) & he's fine. No more spooking at dust. And he's losing unnecessary weight & gaining muscle. So no one can tell me that Purina has the 'same kind of feed' as TC or any other QUALITY feed company.
That is what I was worried about as well, I don't want to stick them on something with by products. I really wish I had a store around here that carried triple crown products, I've heard so many good things about it.
This seriously has me stumped on feeding, I've never been good about choosing the right feedÂ
It's the best I've found.
What brands can you get? Just the usual Purina & Nutrena? | |
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           Location: Kansas | hlynn - 2013-12-19 2:58 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-19 3:57 PM hlynn - 2013-12-19 2:53 PM Whatever company you choose to go with, call them & ask about the NSC content in each feed formula. Some post it online. Others don't. And when the first ingredient in Purina Enrich is 'plant protein byproduct' it makes you wonder. That could be soybeans, corn, cottonseed, milo, anything!! And could change with each bag. That's why people are wary of such broad wordage. 'Soybean meal' 'alfalfa meal' 'wheat middlings' 'dried beet pulp'. All things that can be researched as being ONE product. Had a friend try enrich 32. Her horse went bonkers. Switched him to TC 30% (same concept/type of feed) & he's fine. No more spooking at dust. And he's losing unnecessary weight & gaining muscle. So no one can tell me that Purina has the 'same kind of feed' as TC or any other QUALITY feed company. That is what I was worried about as well, I don't want to stick them on something with by products. I really wish I had a store around here that carried triple crown products, I've heard so many good things about it.
This seriously has me stumped on feeding, I've never been good about choosing the right feed It's the best I've found. What brands can you get? Just the usual Purina & Nutrena?
Yes just mainly those two in my area, the tack store feeds nutrena/purina products, we have a purina dealer, and of course there is TSC and orschelens.
I do remember asking the purina dealer if they were able to get TC feed in, but he said I would have to order a pallet...and I couldn't find anyone at the time to split a pallet with me. | |
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