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Location: Bandera, TX | winwillows - 2013-12-20 5:53 AM We NEVER put corn in horses.
Are you a nutritionist? I was very impressed with Stingray on your Renew Gold. I've got friends that race in AUS and Hong Kong that have fed Coconut/Rice bran with similiar fantastic results. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Nutritionist, yes. Formal education started me out as a bio-chemist. Then I invented Natural Glo stabilized rice bran in the 1980's as a better feeding program for our own cutting horses, and I changed direction to focus on Equine nutrition. If you have fed the Glo line from ADM, hoof or flex products from Absorbine, Natural Glo, MaxE Glo ect, I have already fed your horses. Nutrition in horses is moving forward right now. Controlled starch is something that we started 25 years ago that is almost mainstream now. At the time, many of the feed companies that promote low starch diets today actually advertised against it back then because they realized that people were listening and seeing the changes controlled starch made. The next thing, I believe, is whole system coordination to get digestive function back to "normal". Nature put a pretty amazing machine in the horse, but people work awfully hard to feed it in a way that challenges it. I think that once again things are changing. Stingray is a great example of this.
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Location: Phoenix | We feed a dry (sometimes wet) COB to most of our horses. In the winter when they are not being used, they are all on it. In the summer we will bring out the more specialized feeds for the horses we are rodeoing on.... I am wanting to try Renew Gold....but ultimately we always have COB on hand and the horses do well on it. |
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Location: Willows, CA | I did a clinic at Texas A&M for a group of Vets 10 or so years ago, I made a low starch, no corn talk to the group that seemed to go well. The head of the Office of the Texas State Chemist followed and said "I am glad someone is finally saying that we need to get the corn out of these horses. Corn kills more horses in Texas every year than any other feed ingredient". I don't know if this is true, but we never put corn in our formulations. Feed the rest if you have to, but leave the corn out. Aflitoxin limits for feed ingredients is 20ppm. The limit for corn is 300ppm. Nice corn lobby work. |
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Location: Where you need a paddle... Oregon! | I really like how our horses look and perform on whole oats. I quit feeding it when one developed ulcers and I learned they can aggravate them. I feed something else now that I like, but still wish I could do the oats. |
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 Reaching for the stars....
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| I am seriously loving my bag-free feed program. My guys are in perfect flesh, healthy, frisky, but no hottness. Their coats are amazing, even with the winter woollys. My farrier can't say enough good things about the quality of their hooves. And I'm saving about $25 per horse per month on feed. That's 25%!
I replaced their bagged feed with high quality alfalfa. They get 5-6 pounds per day of the alfalfa, plus their normal 15-18 pounds per day of timothy/orchard mix hay. |
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Location: Here | CYA Ranch - 2013-12-20 8:01 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-19 3:03 PM OregonBR - 2013-12-19 12:12 PM COB is corn, oats and barley. It's rolled. I feed it because it's good quality feed, no mold or musty smell. I don't really need or want the corn part but that's the way they mix it. If I tried to feed oats or barley by itself it would cost quite a bit more. Don't ask why. I haven't figured that out. I use dry because when I tried the wet, I found moldy lumps in it. The quality was way worse with the molasses in there. Really worried me so I switched back to dry. I will probably never switch again. I fed oats and corn for years until we moved to Texas and found the corn had aflatoxin problems and the oats were way below standard. I started to feed Barley and was very happy with the results until I could no longer get quality Barley.
no it is actually lower protein. just has more calories |
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Location: Texas | I think natural is better. I have fed whole oats off an on for close to 20 years. I get off sometimes when a new feed fad comes along, like strategy and healthy edge, but always go back to oats. I had one horse I took off oats and shortly after he started bleeding found out from another lady her horse started bleeding after she took him off oats he started bleeding, put him back on and he stopped, so I put mine back on oats, had he scoped after I ran and no bleeding. |
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| The three ingrediatns (corn, oats ad barley) all hit the horse energy wise at different times. Corn is the fastest to be converted to energy, followed by oats and then barley.
I might add crn in the winter, but for the most part I feed just oats and barley.
Barley adds more weight on the top line than what straight oats do. I really don't like feeding anything with molasses because the molasses used in animal fees is very poor quality in most cases.
I had switched to Cargill XTN and Vegas was getting really hard muscles. Hard muscles on a horse is not a good thing. Switched her back to just regular oats and barley with ACV (much to her dismay beause she really likes molassses) ad within a week her muscles were soft and pliable again. Lesson learned. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | SG. - 2013-12-21 10:12 PM CYA Ranch - 2013-12-20 8:01 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-19 3:03 PM OregonBR - 2013-12-19 12:12 PM COB is corn, oats and barley. It's rolled. I feed it because it's good quality feed, no mold or musty smell. I don't really need or want the corn part but that's the way they mix it. If I tried to feed oats or barley by itself it would cost quite a bit more. Don't ask why. I haven't figured that out. I use dry because when I tried the wet, I found moldy lumps in it. The quality was way worse with the molasses in there. Really worried me so I switched back to dry. I will probably never switch again. I fed oats and corn for years until we moved to Texas and found the corn had aflatoxin problems and the oats were way below standard. I started to feed Barley and was very happy with the results until I could no longer get quality Barley.
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Unable to Live Without Chocolate or Coffee
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| well.... if I had to choose between those my vote is whole oats. I'm not a fan of the COB around here, too much corn. We buy good hay so I don't normally need anything extra but If I feed grain at all, its whole oats or a locally made pellet; base is Wheat Millrun, Beet Pulp Meal, Rice Bran, Soybean Meal, Soybean Oil |
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