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Location: Florida | I agree it is all about power and wealth, but I have to respectfully disagree that it is only "liberals" and democrats
doing it. I think society hasn't changed since the dawn of man, those who have "it" want to keep it. One way
to accomplish that goal is to keep the population dependent and ignorant. You blame the democrats for dependent,
but it is the republicans who are destroying free public education to keep them ignorant. I think both parties are
corrupted and counter-productive. Vote your beliefs, not your party, whichever party you are. Because
believe it or not, I am not and have never been a democrat.
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| Vickie - 2014-01-17 9:16 AM I agree it is all about power and wealth, but I have to respectfully disagree that it is only "liberals" and democrats
doing it. I think society hasn't changed since the dawn of man, those who have "it" want to keep it. One way
to accomplish that goal is to keep the population dependent and ignorant. You blame the democrats for dependent,
but it is the republicans who are destroying free public education to keep them ignorant. I think both parties are
corrupted and counter-productive. Vote your beliefs, not your party, whichever party you are. Because
believe it or not, I am not and have never been a democrat.
I agree, both parties are corrupt. I disagree that those who have it "want to keep it". The mentality of the big guy vs the little guy does not apply across the board. Our personal tax bill is huge, we pay quarterly and we pay alot. We do not moan about our high taxes, we do our part, if not more to support our country. We give to charities on top of what we give to the government. Do we want to give more, no, too much waste and abuse. We did not get what we have earned by takeing from others or keeping others down. My husbands construction business has created thousands and thousands of jobs, many of which disappeared during the downturn of the economy.
Vickie, have you given away all your assests to be sure you do not have any more than your fellow citizens? How can you own horses if there are those who cannot afford it? Is that fair and right? Don't point fingers till you walk the walk.
Curious as to how the republicans have destroyed public education? It is a mess but not sure who is to blame. Vouchers to allow kids to pick their school of choice was shot down by unions.
Nobody plays the have and have not card better than Obama. Talk about class warfare.
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Location: Florida | Rodeomom, I will admit I am one of the "haves", and like you I pay a huge tax bill and give to charities, take in needy horses and dogs, and help support half my family. I am not pointing fingers at anyone. I have a problem with welfare too. And to get back to the original post, yes jobless benefits is a strange way of wording it. | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | As far as states that didn't want to expand their freebie health care, I am glad that Georgia also chose not to enroll.
I have no problem with the truly needy getting help, but the whole system is corrupt and abused. Just work in the health care field in a local hospital in So Georgia. Way too many horror stories about abuse.
Just like the unemployment. The system needs to be re-vamped, starting with the people that "we" have elected. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Almost all Democrats are liberal. Republicans have both liberals and conservatives within their ranks. I'm not a Republican, but practically speaking the GOP is my only option when it comes to voting. That's why I use liberal vs conservative in most of my posts. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I don't know what happened to the first page, but here's what I said! because for some reason it isn't readable:
The real irony is that this is all packged under the guise of "compassion", but the driving force behind this is a quest for political power that translates into wealth for liberal elites. Low information voters are targeted on multiple fronts, under a variety of disguises, but the main thrust is to entrap people and get them onto some sort of government program. Once you feed a stray dog, he stays around, doesn't he? Once people are convinced there is no real advantage to working, they are permanently imprisoned and obligated to vote for liberals if they want their lifestyle and dependency to continue. The liberal intelligentsia expand this base, and also select other groups for targeting:
Women - aka the "war on women" - make efforts to convince women that conservatives are out to strip them of their "reproductive rights", deprive them of birth control, and pay them slave wages, compared to men of equal ability and skill.
Gun Control - convince the masses that violent crime is because of guns, rather than criminals or criminally insane.
Illegal Immigrants - convince them that conservatives are going to deprive them of their so-called rights, round them up like cattle, and ship them all back. At the same time, convince Hispanic legal citizens that they too are being targeted by conservatives.
Blacks - They have been convinced that lower standards ought to be applied to them, in the name of "social justice", and that they are especially in need of government services and handouts. They are convinced that conservatism is a racist ideology, when the truth is that it is liberalism that is flagrantly racist. We see examples of liberal racism every day.
Environmentalists - For decades they have tried to conjure up some sort of looming cataclysm under a variety of labels - "Global cooling" became "global warming" which has morphed into a more marketable scheme "climate change". They keep coming up with new fads and labels, like "polar vortex" which is actually an old term from the 70s that was dug out of some liberal attic and dusted off and revised to fit the current hoax. Back in the 70s, the rage was global cooling. I remember magazine covers and articles that claimed the scientists have proven it's existence. First we were all told we were doomed to an ice age, then we were doomed to burning up. Now? They are more clever and have come up with an ambiguous "Climate Change" theme that is a one-size-fits-all term on which they base their quest to harness the gullible and intellectually challenged and go after "big oil" and coal industry. The tentacles even crept into the agricultural communities with the emergence of the ethanol industry through the use of these artificial tools.....so even traditionally more conservatve farmers are being rounded up and shackled with liberal ideology that is more imagined than real. Most probably don't easily succumb, but significant numbers are nonetheles successfully culled. I doubt many people in the northern hemishpere are so enamored with this whole notion. Whatever happened to the "carbon credits" movement? Don't worry....it's being re-fitted and re-tooled into a new propaganda tool. Look for a new name to that, just like everything else.
At the end of the day, all of this is about political power and wealth for the liberal elites.
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| komet. - 2014-01-17 5:43 AM Griz - 2014-01-17 5:31 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-01-17 2:30 AM If you pay attention the dumb people are still working .... When you don't have the expenses of having a job ... and pulling in $2000 in state and federal SSI etc. funds and your total out go is less than $500 not counting the freebies like food banks, food stamps, Medicaid, free phones, sell a few drugs .... you have >$2000-2500 to spend anyway you want each month ... all of your emergencies are covered so you never spend any of your own money ... if a druggy couple ... just double this ... So.... WHY ARE YOU STILL WORKING ?? ... lol You are really right. The schmart ones are at home COLLECTING the money I am making for them - while using their IPhones and having a mani-pedi, while I'm getting my butt chewed about why did the shop lose hours and why are they working OT. Guess I'm not very smart. I had an argument yesterday morning with a fella that was trying to talk me into getting everything he said I was "entitled to" as an American citizen in my situation. He could not understand my position that just because I COULD get all that free stuff, did NOT mean I was entitled to it and did not understand why I would not apply for it. 
It's because YOU have values Komet! I know when I was laid off (YEARS ago), I did just ABOUT anything for money, cleaned houses, washed cars, worked in a bar, etc. It's just how we were brought up. | |
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| You know, this just came up in my house the other day. A person I know, owns several businesses, paid for invitro and DNA to make sure at least one implanted embryo was a boy (they already had 4 kids so it wasn't a matter of a reproductive issue), owns their home out right, as well as an $80,000 dirt buggy, a brand new camero and several other very expensive toys, has her hair and nails done every week, pays for a house keeper 2 days a week, just qualified for and TOOK, Free health care, Food Stamps, WIC and Free and Reduced Lunch Program for school! Why did they qualify? They have 6 dependents. Why isn't this considered fraud? I understand that there are people who truly need a help up but when a person qualifies strictly because of the amount of children they have? Why should I have to struggle to feed my one child because they can milk the system? It makes me wonder how many other totally capable families are taking advantage of me!
Here I am working my tail off 8 hours every day, barely making it with my husband also working 50 hours a week for this person to take advantage of the tax payer because she can! She is more than able to buy her groceries and school lunches for her kids. It burns the crap out of me! I keep asking my husband "why am I working?"
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Location: Opelousas, LA | cyount2009 - 2014-01-17 12:38 PM You know, this just came up in my house the other day. A person I know, owns several businesses, paid for invitro and DNA to make sure at least one implanted embryo was a boy (they already had 4 kids so it wasn't a matter of a reproductive issue), owns their home out right, as well as an $80,000 dirt buggy, a brand new camero and several other very expensive toys, has her hair and nails done every week, pays for a house keeper 2 days a week, just qualified for and TOOK, Free health care, Food Stamps, WIC and Free and Reduced Lunch Program for school! Why did they qualify? They have 6 dependents. Why isn't this considered fraud? I understand that there are people who truly need a help up but when a person qualifies strictly because of the amount of children they have? Why should I have to struggle to feed my one child because they can milk the system? It makes me wonder how many other totally capable families are taking advantage of me! Here I am working my tail off 8 hours every day, barely making it with my husband also working 50 hours a week for this person to take advantage of the tax payer because she can! She is more than able to buy her groceries and school lunches for her kids. It burns the crap out of me! I keep asking my husband "why am I working?"
Report her, that is fraud and you are paying for it. No way on earth that can be right unless she lied about thier assets or marital status. | |
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| Barnmom - 2014-01-17 1:23 PM
cyount2009 - 2014-01-17 12:38 PM You know, this just came up in my house the other day. A person I know, owns several businesses, paid for invitro and DNA to make sure at least one implanted embryo was a boy (they already had 4 kids so it wasn't a matter of a reproductive issue), owns their home out right, as well as an $80,000 dirt buggy, a brand new camero and several other very expensive toys, has her hair and nails done every week, pays for a house keeper 2 days a week, just qualified for and TOOK, Free health care, Food Stamps, WIC and Free and Reduced Lunch Program for school! Why did they qualify? They have 6 dependents. Why isn't this considered fraud? I understand that there are people who truly need a help up but when a person qualifies strictly because of the amount of children they have? Why should I have to struggle to feed my one child because they can milk the system? It makes me wonder how many other totally capable families are taking advantage of me! Here I am working my tail off 8 hours every day, barely making it with my husband also working 50 hours a week for this person to take advantage of the tax payer because she can! She is more than able to buy her groceries and school lunches for her kids. It burns the crap out of me! I keep asking my husband "why am I working?"
Report her, that is fraud and you are paying for it. No way on earth that can be right unless she lied about thier assets or marital status.
That's what I thought too, that it had to be fraud! I was so mad when I found out! I always thought they were "good people" but that totally changed my opinion! | |
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Tell It Like It Is
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Location: Wyoming | I find it interesting that for the last how ever long, O, Reid and the Democrats kept telling us how well the economic recovery was and that millions of jobs were being created. So? If the economy is doing so gosh dang great, then why do people need an extension on an already extended jobless benefit? If the economy is doing so well, shouldn't they be able to find jobs?
Because our employers pay into unemployment insurance, then yes, if things go south, having the benfift a few weeks is a nice safety net. But NOT for a few years!
BTW: Over 9 million workers have completely dropped out of the work force since 2009. The year O took office. And the participation rate is the lowest it has been since 1978.
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| cyount2009 - 2014-01-17 1:45 PM Barnmom - 2014-01-17 1:23 PM cyount2009 - 2014-01-17 12:38 PM You know, this just came up in my house the other day. A person I know, owns several businesses, paid for invitro and DNA to make sure at least one implanted embryo was a boy (they already had 4 kids so it wasn't a matter of a reproductive issue), owns their home out right, as well as an $80,000 dirt buggy, a brand new camero and several other very expensive toys, has her hair and nails done every week, pays for a house keeper 2 days a week, just qualified for and TOOK, Free health care, Food Stamps, WIC and Free and Reduced Lunch Program for school! Why did they qualify? They have 6 dependents. Why isn't this considered fraud? I understand that there are people who truly need a help up but when a person qualifies strictly because of the amount of children they have? Why should I have to struggle to feed my one child because they can milk the system? It makes me wonder how many other totally capable families are taking advantage of me! Here I am working my tail off 8 hours every day, barely making it with my husband also working 50 hours a week for this person to take advantage of the tax payer because she can! She is more than able to buy her groceries and school lunches for her kids. It burns the crap out of me! I keep asking my husband "why am I working?" Report her, that is fraud and you are paying for it. No way on earth that can be right unless she lied about thier assets or marital status. That's what I thought too, that it had to be fraud! I was so mad when I found out! I always thought they were "good people" but that totally changed my opinion!
Interesting isn't in when you think you have a good handle on who someone is. We run into a 40'ish year old couple at my husbands shoots and at the ast one the wife was holding ice to her back and shot less than half of what she usually signs up for. Turns out she works/worked as clerk for the post office and is on disability. They started investigating her so she is playing hurt. Prior to this I have seen her be on her feet for 8 hours straight shooting for 3 days in a row. They make it worse for the people who really need it. | |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Barnmom - 2014-01-16 2:23 PM cyount2009 - 2014-01-17 12:38 PM You know, this just came up in my house the other day. A person I know, owns several businesses, paid for invitro and DNA to make sure at least one implanted embryo was a boy (they already had 4 kids so it wasn't a matter of a reproductive issue), owns their home out right, as well as an $80,000 dirt buggy, a brand new camero and several other very expensive toys, has her hair and nails done every week, pays for a house keeper 2 days a week, just qualified for and TOOK, Free health care, Food Stamps, WIC and Free and Reduced Lunch Program for school! Why did they qualify? They have 6 dependents. Why isn't this considered fraud? I understand that there are people who truly need a help up but when a person qualifies strictly because of the amount of children they have? Why should I have to struggle to feed my one child because they can milk the system? It makes me wonder how many other totally capable families are taking advantage of me! Here I am working my tail off 8 hours every day, barely making it with my husband also working 50 hours a week for this person to take advantage of the tax payer because she can! She is more than able to buy her groceries and school lunches for her kids. It burns the crap out of me! I keep asking my husband "why am I working?" Report her, that is fraud and you are paying for it. No way on earth that can be right unless she lied about thier assets or marital status.
I don't think the "assets" are consider when handing out freebies..........just the income and dependents........why we see so many with "toys"........
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| Where are all these welfare programs? How do people find this free money?
I don't know a single person collecting a welfare check. I know people on food stamps but no cash assistance.
I did check into a program that was for unpaid child support. I am supposed to get $600 a month. They would pay me $165 a month and keep what they collected from him. That didn't sound like a very good deal to me. | |
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Location: SW New Mexico | CJE - 2014-01-18 3:26 PM
Barnmom - 2014-01-16 2:23 PM cyount2009 - 2014-01-17 12:38 PM You know, this just came up in my house the other day. A person I know, owns several businesses, paid for invitro and DNA to make sure at least one implanted embryo was a boy (they already had 4 kids so it wasn't a matter of a reproductive issue), owns their home out right, as well as an $80,000 dirt buggy, a brand new camero and several other very expensive toys, has her hair and nails done every week, pays for a house keeper 2 days a week, just qualified for and TOOK, Free health care, Food Stamps, WIC and Free and Reduced Lunch Program for school! Why did they qualify? They have 6 dependents. Why isn't this considered fraud? I understand that there are people who truly need a help up but when a person qualifies strictly because of the amount of children they have? Why should I have to struggle to feed my one child because they can milk the system? It makes me wonder how many other totally capable families are taking advantage of me! Here I am working my tail off 8 hours every day, barely making it with my husband also working 50 hours a week for this person to take advantage of the tax payer because she can! She is more than able to buy her groceries and school lunches for her kids. It burns the crap out of me! I keep asking my husband "why am I working?" Report her, that is fraud and you are paying for it. No way on earth that can be right unless she lied about thier assets or marital status.
The joke in the end ....will be on this person ..
There is a REAL ESTATE clause in Medicaid.. (or what ever they call it in your state) that when you die, and IF you own property , homes, ect.. the government may swoop in and seize your property..
The ACA lady confirmed this with a fellow co-worker.. she didn't believe me.
That's the exact reason I won't take the free/subsidized health care that I qualify for...
and I choose to be without insurance..
I worked too hard to get what I have , just so the government can take it as "repayment" when I die!
Aint nothing free...
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Speaking of "jobless benefits" I have a better idea. Since the progressives love to use the term "investment" when it comes to handing out money to losers like Solyndra and Tessla, as well as unemployment, why don't we "invest" in better pay and benefits for our soldiers? They love to chirp about things like minimum wage.......how about raising the minimum wage for our troops? Why don't we see Obozo and his ilk out on the stump pushing for this? How's that for an "investment"? | |
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Location: SW New Mexico | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-20 11:54 AM
Speaking of "jobless benefits" I have a better idea. Since the progressives love to use the term "investment" when it comes to handing out money to losers like Solyndra and Tessla, as well as unemployment, why don't we "invest" in better pay and benefits for our soldiers? They love to chirp about things like minimum wage.......how about raising the minimum wage for our troops? Why don't we see Obozo and his ilk out on the stump pushing for this? How's that for an "investment"?
And did I hear right, we are sending MORE money to Iran?
For what?? We've sent millions and millions of dollars over there already.
again... for what????
While the Dems voted away veteran benefits, and illegals get anything desired handed over to them??
But our own citizens have to jump through hoops just to get a driver's license??
Our borders are a open mess...
It isn't safe to travel here in the southwest, there are warning signs about "illegal activity" all along the US roads here...
Instead of enforcing laws, border patrol is ordered to stand down.. let them in, and they get unemployment $$$$, food stamps, free medical...and welfare here...
I fear this country's lost.
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| See, and I see it all completely different than apparently everyone on this post. Jobless benefits, is granted, an odd way to label unemployment support. I'm sure I'll get lots of static from the crowd but I'm the first one on the unemployment payroll when I get laid off. I got laid off from my pipeline job at 9 am, and at 10 am, I had my online application done and the check in the mail. All people that have a job pay into the 'unemployment benefit' fund, and by golly, I'm getting my money back! I pay taxes on unemployment money just like a regular check, but it definitely helps to grease the skids between jobs. I've been on it 3 times with the pipeline world being what it is. No, I didn't need the money to get by. Yes, I wanted it because I had paid into it when I paid my taxes. The only thing I was sad about is that I made too much money through the year to get on food stamps. I also pay into that fund, and it would be really nice to see some of it come home.
I guess I just figure that those funds are something that they tax me a whopping 29% EVERY YEAR for, I'm excited about the little refund that it affords me whenever I don't have a job. | |
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