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Location: Fort Bragg North Carolina | Disagree HOWEVER I believe there are more riders out there who don't help their horses reach their potential due to lack of knowledge,aggressiveness,etc |
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Location: Canada | Interesting discussion :)
I disagree.
I agree that most riders don't have the ability to fully tap into all their horses ability & have them give 100% of everything they have all of the time. There are some horses who love it, some who tolerate it, and some who hate it. Aside from that some horses are built for the sport better then other horses are giving them an advantage. Just like some people are better athletes then others regardless of equal training.
Some just have God given talent and the job comes easy, others have to work hard for it. There are some that will be 1D/2D horses and then there are some that will only be top 3D/4D horses when in shape, in their prime, and on good ground.
But the ones who give you their best every run they make are the ones who are fun to ride, regardless if they are 1D or 4D.
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| This is going to stir the pot more but I must ad with the right mix of DRUGS. I agree!
I stood beside a well known rider by the ring and could see the needle marks in the horses neck.
Dont get me wrong not all 1d horses or riders do this but have seen way to much of it. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | CE's wrapn3 - 2014-01-08 8:07 AM Next time you go to a barrel race with each rider imagine how much different that run would be if LG were riding that same horse.
Some horses are just not as fast as others......and many 3d 4d horses run a smoother more correct pattern than many that out run them.....why because the other horse is faster......it does not matter who sits on them............ |
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| bbennington - 2014-01-22 7:51 PM
This is going to stir the pot more but I must ad with the right mix of DRUGS. I agree!
I stood beside a well known rider by the ring and could see the needle marks in the horses neck.
Dont get me wrong not all 1d horses or riders do this but have seen way to much of it.
What do you think theyre injecting? |
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Location: SoCal | I'm a maybe on this one. I have To say I think it depends a lot on natural ability, which you can't train in, as well as heart and try. If they have ability and try you are well on your way. My young mare has outrun state and world champions (state rodeo, breed world shows type things) in some events and in barrels she just hasn't clicked yet. Shes cowbred on the top and running and ranch horses on the bottom, all her aunts were top rodeo and barrel horses in our state. She can have the ugliest turns and fight me and still win money at a huge barrel race in the 4D because of the failure, coasting the pattern correctly she's in the top of the 3D. If we actually got ourselves together she'd glide into 2D if not 1D. Ive had people look at me like I'm crazy when I say we're not 1D. Do we have our stuff together right now? Nope. We're still getting our styles matched up, figuring out what we need to do. She's still being seasoned and is young and can slip up if I don't cue correctly. I sure hope we get where we're heading someday, but in the mean time I'm just happy to have her.
I also think that pattern size can influence what "D" you fall in. Some horses won't do small patterns, some can't hold the speed in large. My mare is by far a better small pattern horse because she's small and catty. But I've seen tall and big horses that are 1D on big patterns not be able to break a trot on small patterns. 1D one place might be 3D at another. Here we have a lot of pros hit up our small jackpots, and I know myself, especially on more common patterns I'll look at what the pros run to see what I'd fall in against them, rather than the local weekenders. |
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| I think most horses have 2D potential if they stick to the same local arenas. If you take a horse out of that comfortable and familiar environment then most horses will drop down into 3-4D times. I see some horse ads that state "2D locally, 3D at super shows." I assume the super or larger shows are probably not local. |
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| Itsme - 2014-01-23 9:25 AM
bbennington - 2014-01-22 7:51 PM
This is going to stir the pot more but I must ad with the right mix of DRUGS. I agree!
I stood beside a well known rider by the ring and could see the needle marks in the horses neck.
Dont get me wrong not all 1d horses or riders do this but have seen way to much of it.
What do you think theyre injecting?
I honestly have no idea. I m not into that whole thing. I have seen and heard it to many times. When there is a cooler left in the alley of the stall barn full of empty needles right in front of well known barrel racer , mostly likely open winner stalls.. ask our vet about it he just says there combinations out there but have to be just right or will kill the horse.
But it will never stop even if they drug test they will always get around it. Just wish it was an even fair playing field. Sadly never will be but I am ok with placing in 1d or 2d honestly. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | spitzh - 2014-01-24 12:02 PM I think most horses have 2D potential if they stick to the same local arenas. If you take a horse out of that comfortable and familiar environment then most horses will drop down into 3-4D times. I see some horse ads that state "2D locally, 3D at super shows." I assume the super or larger shows are probably not local.
I don't think it's that so much as a lot of local races are not as tough. Totally depends on where you are and who you're running against. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | I'm going to have to say no. Not every horse is born with the same athletic ability. For some it's there and for others, it just isn't. I had a super nice little mare years ago, she would run her heart out, give 100% every time, she couldn't outrun a fast sick porcupine. She just didn't have the gas.
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| I see a lot of things that stop a horse from being 1-d/2-d like you will see somthing that says never been injected, i know a girl that has a big gelding, she also,had a really nice 1-d mare she never would get her or him injected she the mare and the gelding slowed down so he would be more comfortable as well,as the mare did. So if these horse had a lamness exam and injected the sore joints and put on a good joint suppliment. i told,the girl about getting her mare injected she went and bought legend instead of injection did not,fix the mare. The gelding has a slight asthma and themhorse got,so,sore he getting nervous. The owner said,he was crazy, she did,get his hocks injected he ran a lot better, but if the horse was treated for ulcers i know he had them and his hocks injected again that horse will run faster. There is a difference in 1-d and 3-d mentalitiy the 1-d know when ther horse is not up to par and carry horse to vet. I did the same for my horse he has been to 3 vets and finally diagoned with one fusing hock and he is not running up to his potential once we get it fused he will be back to 1-d. But if youmrun a horse that is sore for,years the horse will just learn not,to:-)hurt his self. |
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| I think we are going to see more of a difference of natural ability as the breeding industry keeps selecting the best and breeding FOR barrels. For example, look at how often records are being broken now, rare are the backyard ponys who will be able to compete against years of careful breeding, even if they have a huge heart. I think heart still matter a lot, along with rider ability but, why start with a horse not made to do the job, most people have figured out that it's easier to ask a horse that has correct barrel conformation to learn the pettern and do well then a hienz 57 who probably doesn't.
All that said I think that if you have a well built, hard working ranch horse, that can get down and turn and has the speed, giver! Lots of people want a dash ta fame, but honestly I think, "do you have the ability to bring out the best in one?"
I buy well bred horses, but I don't get obsessive about it, I am not sure my riding ability is worthy of spending sooo much and it's still not aguarentee that we will be pro...: |
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Location: Way up North | bbennington - 2014-01-24 12:29 PM Itsme - 2014-01-23 9:25 AM bbennington - 2014-01-22 7:51 PM This is going to stir the pot more but I must ad with the right mix of DRUGS. I agree! I stood beside a well known rider by the ring and could see the needle marks in the horses neck. Dont get me wrong not all 1d horses or riders do this but have seen way to much of it. What do you think theyre injecting? I honestly have no idea. I m not into that whole thing. I have seen and heard it to many times. When there is a cooler left in the alley of the stall barn full of empty needles right in front of well known barrel racer , mostly likely open winner stalls.. ask our vet about it he just says there combinations out there but have to be just right or will kill the horse. But it will never stop even if they drug test they will always get around it. Just wish it was an even fair playing field. Sadly never will be but I am ok with placing in 1d or 2d honestly.
Not to pick on you but it kind of irritates me when people see a needle and jump to the worse possible conclusion. My gelding developed some respiratory issues last year and for the first time I had to run a horse on lasix. Suddenly I was the one sticking a horse and getting eyeballed like I must be shooting speed. Why don't you ask the person what they are giving? Yes, there are people out there shooting their horses with stuff they shouldn't be. If you ask and they won't tell you I think then it is safe to jump to the worst possible conclusion but there are plenty that have a moral compass. |
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| AllAroundRider - 2014-01-26 8:27 AM
bbennington - 2014-01-24 12:29 PM Itsme - 2014-01-23 9:25 AM bbennington - 2014-01-22 7:51 PM This is going to stir the pot more but I must ad with the right mix of DRUGS. I agree! I stood beside a well known rider by the ring and could see the needle marks in the horses neck. Dont get me wrong not all 1d horses or riders do this but have seen way to much of it. What do you think theyre injecting? I honestly have no idea. I m not into that whole thing. I have seen and heard it to many times. When there is a cooler left in the alley of the stall barn full of empty needles right in front of well known barrel racer , mostly likely open winner stalls.. ask our vet about it he just says there combinations out there but have to be just right or will kill the horse. But it will never stop even if they drug test they will always get around it. Just wish it was an even fair playing field. Sadly never will be but I am ok with placing in 1d or 2d honestly.
It is a well know fact that they are.. Not jumping to conclusions.. I was stalled right next to them.. Im not talking about Lasix at all!.. |
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| bbennington - 2014-01-26 11:04 AM AllAroundRider - 2014-01-26 8:27 AM bbennington - 2014-01-24 12:29 PM Itsme - 2014-01-23 9:25 AM bbennington - 2014-01-22 7:51 PM This is going to stir the pot more but I must ad with the right mix of DRUGS. I agree! I stood beside a well known rider by the ring and could see the needle marks in the horses neck. Dont get me wrong not all 1d horses or riders do this but have seen way to much of it. What do you think theyre injecting? I honestly have no idea. I m not into that whole thing. I have seen and heard it to many times. When there is a cooler left in the alley of the stall barn full of empty needles right in front of well known barrel racer , mostly likely open winner stalls.. ask our vet about it he just says there combinations out there but have to be just right or will kill the horse. But it will never stop even if they drug test they will always get around it. Just wish it was an even fair playing field. Sadly never will be but I am ok with placing in 1d or 2d honestly. It is a well know fact that they are.. Not jumping to conclusions.. I was stalled right next to them.. Im not talking about Lasix at all!..
But you inferred that all horse who had a "needle" mark were run on something against the rules...........I know it happens, it will continue to happen. To judge someone because of a needle mark that may be administering a theraputic medication however, is wrong. |
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