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Location: Green Pastures | I have a horse that leaves 2nd barrel tipping it on the backside heading to 3rd barrel. Any drills or exercises would be great! Thank you |
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| Keep your inside leg on till you have passed the barrel, this keeps their ribcage bent around the barrel. |
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Location: Benton City, WA | cheryl makofka - 2014-01-23 12:23 PM Keep your inside leg on till you have passed the barrel, this keeps their ribcage bent around the barrel.
I agree with Cheryl...
Also, are you looking to your third barrel too soon? If you are looking up before your horses hip gets around the second barrel, that can cause one to hit it. And make sure you aren't pulling the horse into the second barrel or looking directly at the barrel. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | It's usually a timing issue. I had trouble learning to ride my new horse last year because I had always ridden horses that needed a lot of outside rein and leg to finish the barrel but he was too turny to ride that way. I had to learn to ride round all the way through the turn and let him finish it himself. |
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Location: Green Pastures | Thanks I will watch my videos and see if I'm pulling him into the barrel causing him to over finish it or if I'm looking at the third barrel before I'm finished in the turn. Also, I think keeping my inside leg on him all the way will help! He's just so darn big and powerful and I'm a small lady! so when we get to the turn he's turning. I was hoping to find some training drills that could help him be a little more honest on his own, but I will definitely address myself and give him a little more encouragement with inside leg/foot to keep ribcage broken/bent in the turn? Thanks ladies! I sure appreciate it! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Check your hand position to make sure you aren't pulling him over it creating a roll back there, and then watch video or have someone watch his hind foot placement to see if he is cutting across behind, if he is try moving your inside leg back to his flank right there at that point to hold his hip another stride or two. |
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Location: Green Pastures | I want to think that is what I'm doing, pulling him over it and the video looks like he has that rollback look for sure! |
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Location: Phoenix | I talked to Wrap about a horse like this and he was saying you go in with lift and arc, but once you're past the barrel, give your horse his head (throw your hand forward) and let him finish it for you. The horse I have sounds exactly the same. He is so broke and actually LISTENS to what you are telling him during the pattern so it's rider error if we knock. |
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Location: South MS | I have a horse that will pull down the barrel on the back side as she is so snappy - I went to a lighter bit to give me less control so I wouldnt pull her into it and I lengthened my reins a little as well - which took some getting use to
Also, if I practice barrels at home I do big circles to turn the barrel and I really get past the barrel before I let them turn - has worked well for me but I was pulling her on top of the barrels on the back side
This is what my mare was doing - it was all me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxaFS-JZdrM
This is after changing bit/reins and doing the drills
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQe8g0fxLUY
Edited by Lmichaels 2014-01-24 9:09 AM
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Location: Green Pastures | Watching your video, that is exactly what my horse has been doing on 2nd barrel, Good work in correcting your horse! Also thank you everyone so very much for the information and advice given! You sure can't fault a horse that wants to work and turn ;) |
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| Also on the turny overworking type horses make sure they are not stiff in the hip or dont give the too much pocket going in as, too much pocket will make them tip,the barrel leaving. Also, with the turny type you need to be going as fast as you ca going into the pocket or you will not,have enough mometum to get around barrel, somtimes you need go fast as you can and she quietly ans drop the outside rein when you leg gets past the past the barrel.
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Location: East Texas | hammer_time - 2014-01-23 5:19 PM
I talked to Wrap about a horse like this and he was saying you go in with lift and arc, but once you're past the barrel, give your horse his head (throw your hand forward) and let him finish it for you. The horse I have sounds exactly the same. He is so broke and actually LISTENS to what you are telling him during the pattern so it's rider error if we knock.
I will try to attatch the diagram for a drill working on keeping your arcs smooth and consistant through the turns. WrapSnap did this one while in TX.
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Location: Durango CO | Also, make sure you are not giving too big of a pocket. I had a horse that would practically jump on top of it if I went in too wide. |
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Location: Green Pastures | Thank you all so much! The diagram looks like a great exercise, something I will incorporate and try! Also I had the opportunity to discuss with Connie Combs and she responded with this exercise: "In your slow work, on the backside where your hitting it do a 2 step under exercise with the inside hind leg. Its kinda like a front forehand turn. as you turning, hold the shoulder use your inside leg by the back rib and kick light or hard whatever it takes and get him to give that hind leg 2 steps under himself." |
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Location: Phoenix | Great thread! Lmichaels I love the improvement !! You can really see the difference. What bit were you in previously amd what did you change into? |
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| When I have this problem on my gelding, it's because I have allowed him to start his turn too soon. I need to kick him one step further so that we don't knock it over leaving it. |
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Location: South MS | hammer_time - 2014-01-27 12:35 PM Great thread! Lmichaels I love the improvement !! You can really see the difference. What bit were you in previously amd what did you change into?
I was using a dogbone lifter bit and switched to a shorter shanked chainmouth gag bit |
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