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Whiteboy
Reg. Jul 2012
Posted 2014-01-28 1:17 PM
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wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-28 1:04 PM Yes it would be a deal breaker. If I understand they only need 1/2 the gene to have issues.  
 This is from UC Davis-  I think it says that they must have two copies of the gene to have the issue.  I have told the sellers I will take her, but I need to do more homework on the HERDA thing.  
 
HERDA

Hereditary equine regional dermal asthenia (HERDA) is a genetic skin disease predominantly found in the American Quarter Horse. Within the breed, the disease is prevalent in particular lines of cutting horses. HERDA is characterized by hyperextensible skin, scarring, and severe lesions along the back of affected horses. Affected foals rarely show symptoms at birth. The condition typically occurs by the age of two, most notably when the horse is first being broke to saddle. There is no cure, and the majority of diagnosed horses are euthanized because they are unable to be ridden and are inappropriate for future breeding. HERDA has an autosomal recessive mode of inheritance and affects stallions and mares in equal proportions. Research carried out in Dr. Danika Bannasch's laboratory at the University of California, Davis, has identified the gene and mutation associated with HERDA.

The diagnostic DNA test for HERDA that has been developed allows identification of horses that are affected or that carry the specific mutation. Other skin conditions can mimic the symptoms of HERDA. The DNA test will assist veterinarians to make the correct diagnosis. For horse breeders, identification of carriers is critical for the selection of mating pairs. Breedings of carrier horses have a 25% chance of producing an affected foal. Breedings between normal and carrier horses will not produce a HERDA foal although 50% of the foals are expected to be carriers.



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3canstorun
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2014-01-28 1:35 PM
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My husband cuts and I have seen quite a few horses with herda.  I say no.  Love the lines, but not worth the chance to me.   
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RoadToVegas
Reg. Oct 2012
Posted 2014-01-28 1:37 PM
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Not to steal the thread but what would you guys think of the Doc's Hickory bloodline? I am looking at a 4 year old mare out of a son of Doc's Hickory. Know of many successful barrel horses with this line?
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wyoming barrel racer
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2014-01-28 1:38 PM
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well then if that is true, she still may be a good thing. I just hate continuing breeding horses with KNOWN defects. I know if you are smart and watch what you cross her on, the foal won't have an issue. But just one of those things.
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Whiteboy
Reg. Jul 2012
Posted 2014-01-28 1:41 PM
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wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-28 1:38 PM well then if that is true, she still may be a good thing. I just hate continuing breeding horses with KNOWN defects. I know if you are smart and watch what you cross her on, the foal won't have an issue. But just one of those things.

I'm going to get her tested before I breed her.  I hate it also when people breed with known defects, even just soundness issues.  Drives me nuts. 
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oija
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2014-01-28 1:44 PM
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I really like her as a broodmare prospect. She'd make great cowbred or racebred cross babies. Lots of older but really awesome lines up close. Just check on the HERDA thing. 
 
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Posted 2014-01-28 2:19 PM
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Whiteboy - 2014-01-28 1:17 PM
wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-28 1:04 PM Yes it would be a deal breaker. If I understand they only need 1/2 the gene to have issues.  
 This is from UC Davis-  I think it says that they must have two copies of the gene to have the issue.  I have told the sellers I will take her, but I need to do more homework on the HERDA thing.  

 
HERDA


Hereditary equine regional dermal asthenia (HERDA) is a genetic skin disease predominantly found in the American Quarter Horse. Within the breed, the disease is prevalent in particular lines of cutting horses. HERDA is characterized by hyperextensible skin, scarring, and severe lesions along the back of affected horses. Affected foals rarely show symptoms at birth. The condition typically occurs by the age of two, most notably when the horse is first being broke to saddle. There is no cure, and the majority of diagnosed horses are euthanized because they are unable to be ridden and are inappropriate for future breeding. HERDA has an autosomal recessive mode of inheritance and affects stallions and mares in equal proportions. Research carried out in Dr. Danika Bannasch's laboratory at the University of California, Davis, has identified the gene and mutation associated with HERDA.



The diagnostic DNA test for HERDA that has been developed allows identification of horses that are affected or that carry the specific mutation. Other skin conditions can mimic the symptoms of HERDA. The DNA test will assist veterinarians to make the correct diagnosis. For horse breeders, identification of carriers is critical for the selection of mating pairs. Breedings of carrier horses have a 25% chance of producing an affected foal. Breedings between normal and carrier horses will not produce a HERDA foal although 50% of the foals are expected to be carriers.



 This is correct. You have to have 2 copies of the gene and race horse stallions do not carry the HERDA gene so you will NOT get a HERDA foal.
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teehaha
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2014-01-28 3:30 PM
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 I like this pedigree alot!  We also have a Doc O Lena grandaughter and get some super nice foals every year from her.  Cow on Cow, or Cow on Speed you should get a nice baby :)


 
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bobbyjosocks
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Posted 2014-01-28 3:51 PM
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We have had 3 of the 4 babies out of this mare and she is not a carrier nor were her babies. Best baby I've ever owned is out of her and he's coming 2 yr old crossed on a race bred stud. This is my colts pedigree http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/buggintheflitouttame

I LOVE your mare and and if worried, have her tested just to be on the safe side. You have an awesome opportunity with your mare, both in the cutting world and the barrel horse world.

I spoke to Davis about Pep and her breeding and the way it was explained to me was like this:

You have to have (Say Poco Bueno) on the top side and the bottom side in the same exact line of the pedigree. Say like grandsire on top and grandsire on bottom, same line. And that could give you a 50% chance of a foal being a carrier or have the disease. My mare has alot of Poco Bueno top and bottom and we've always just bred her to something with none or so far back it would not matter.
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wyoming barrel racer
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Posted 2014-01-28 4:42 PM
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Whiteboy - 2014-01-28 12:41 PM
wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-28 1:38 PM well then if that is true, she still may be a good thing. I just hate continuing breeding horses with KNOWN defects. I know if you are smart and watch what you cross her on, the foal won't have an issue. But just one of those things.
I'm going to get her tested before I breed her.  I hate it also when people breed with known defects, even just soundness issues.  Drives me nuts. 

Me too. Every time you post I like you even more 
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Whiteboy
Reg. Jul 2012
Posted 2014-01-28 4:51 PM
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wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-28 4:42 PM
Whiteboy - 2014-01-28 12:41 PM
wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-28 1:38 PM well then if that is true, she still may be a good thing. I just hate continuing breeding horses with KNOWN defects. I know if you are smart and watch what you cross her on, the foal won't have an issue. But just one of those things.
I'm going to get her tested before I breed her.  I hate it also when people breed with known defects, even just soundness issues.  Drives me nuts. 
Me too. Every time you post I like you even more 

I better quit while I'm ahead then! 
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jkrm
Reg. Mar 2008
Posted 2014-01-28 6:24 PM
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 If you don't want her send her my way. I'd have her booked into 99 Goldmine tomorrow. I love that pedigree. 
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zansbeunogal_2268
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Posted 2014-01-29 8:38 AM
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Thats my kinda breeding!!! I love my cowhorses! especially Doc o lena and peppy san badger are my fav!! every horse in my pen have these bloodlines. talk about snappy turns and grit! Iv got an up and coming filly by okie dokie dale and mr jess perry on a peppy san badger mare that im more than excited about!
I love cow horses!
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