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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Herbie - 2014-01-24 2:07 PM total performance - 2014-01-24 1:55 PM Herbie - 2014-01-24 1:32 PM total performance - 2014-01-23 1:27 PM Barnmom - 2014-01-23 1:07 PM Iwish - 2014-01-23 12:49 PM stupid phone, it did not post the rest of my question. Thank you barrelhorseUSA for that indepth answer. I know that they will get sore since they are exerting themselves so much in one race but is it a common thing for them to be injected because they are sore? Im looking at a horse that the owner had injected a couple times in his front fetlocks because he started getting a little sore. No injury or swelling in the fetlocks though. Racehorses get injected ALL the time. If the horse you are looking at has only had her fetlocks injected a couple of times she is either pretty sound for one coming off the track or she has a crappy vet looking her over.
There are quite a few trainers that will routinely inject 10 or more joints on a horse per race. Which is why it ts very important do do a PPE on OTT horses, it is also helpful if the owners will release vet records for the last few races.
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Location: the high desert | He had 11 outs very spread out over 4 years (2008-2011). Didn't start racing till late in his 2 year old year (only raced once in his 2 year old year) went fairly solidly in 2009, then a couple in 2010 then just a couple in 2011 then that was it. |
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Location: the high desert | Ok so I got a little update. Turns out the reason he was sore is that he had a couple chips in his fetlock. He had surgery to remove them, which went well, and then he raced a couple more times after the surgery. They were not in the joint. I will have to call the vet office were he had the surgery done to find out the exact specifics. Should this be a deal killer though? I'm rather bummed because he is the kind of horse I have been searching for for a looooong time. I was really hoping he had just been injected to see if it would make a difference, not becuase of chips. I'm still going to call the vet office an find out as much information as I can. Any specific questions I should ask?
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| So, the chips have been removed and surgery went well....horse then returned to racing with no ill effects?
If that is the case, it wouldn't bother me (but I'm probably not the best person to give advice either). |
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Location: the high desert | correct, correct and ...correct... after the surgery he raced either one more time or 3 more times (i will have to find out exactly when he had the surgery) if he only raced once more then that last race he placed last in (equibase says "no factor") if he raced 3 more times then he would have had a 6th place finish (2nd to last) follwed by a last place finish (equibase says "bothered break") followed by the other last place finish. |
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Location: MD | It doesn't bother me at all to have had chips removed on one. |
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Location: Benton City, WA | WrapSnap - 2014-01-29 8:56 PM It doesn't bother me at all to have had chips removed on one.
Ditto- as long as they are sound. |
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| Iwish - 2014-01-29 10:39 PM
correct, correct and ...correct... after the surgery he raced either one more time or 3 more times (i will have to find out exactly when he had the surgery) if he only raced once more then that last race he placed last in (equibase says "no factor") if he raced 3 more times then he would have had a 6th place finish (2nd to last) follwed by a last place finish (equibase says "bothered break") followed by the other last place finish.
You can tell just like you are doing if they were placing and then dropped to the bottom in their following races is a bad sign ...
You can look at the amount of time between races and figure out when the long layoff was to get over the chip surgery ....... looks like the owner gave him a long time to see if he was going to run or not ...
If they started out like you say ..
first saying only got sore ... and
then he was injected which could mean nerve blocking etc etc ... since he had floating chips ......
and then they come back with he had surgery .....
I hate it when I have to dig the horses problems out of the owner or trainer and creates distrust in a hurry ... ... grrrr ... I usually will take a walk ...
Always keep in mind ... any kind of injection or chip surgery removes cartilage from the joint which never grows back .... so the long term use of the horse is going to be much shorter and vetting $$$'s required during this time .... each injection increases the wear and tear on the joint involved ...
So do your homework and decide on what he is worth to you to take a chance on ...
For instance: Found a mare I liked conformation wise and pedigree as a good crossover for my stud horse ... all I could get out of owner was she had a 2013 foal late and was not bred back ...............
I did a little checking... asked owner about the info I had .....>>> ... mare was bred and checked in foal in 2010.... ended up open in 2011 and bred back in 2011.... owner finally admitted she had a dead foal early in 2o12... bred her back in 2012 and got a late 2013 baby and left open so she sez ... open to breed in 2014 for a 2015 foal .... and still swears the mare does not have a breeding or carrying full term problem ...
owner was mad at me for doing my homework on her mare .....>>> I really liked this mare but taking the risk on just having one baby every 5 years was not worth it ..... so I said thank you and walked away ...
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Location: the high desert | Im not familiar with how long it takes to recover from chip removal surgery. One time he was off for 5 months, then another time off for over a year. The horse only raced 11 times in 3 years. |
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| I would still have the knees and ankles xrayed.
Look at it this way, it can cost between $25-$50 a day to keep one at the track. Typically you don't just keep one at the track and not running much unless:
a) You have an obscene amount of money and can waste it.
b) You are a trainer and you own the horse.
c) It's a heck of a nice horse that wins enough to have the down time.
I am very skeptical when buying OT horses. While you do have honest people, crooks are a dime a dozen in the racing world.
Just cover your bases if you decide to buy. |
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Location: the high desert | The answer to that would be B  |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | So the owner is the trainer?? Typically around here it's anywhere from 3-6 months down time for chip removal surgery. Depending on how the surgery went and the horse. And then you would start back slow with the horse, so the down time could be 9 months to a year. |
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Location: the high desert | Correct. Then if that's the case he probably only raced one more time after the surgery based on equibase. |
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