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Vickie
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2014-02-05 9:56 AM
Subject: The Rest of the Story



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Lets read the whole story instead of picking out what we want to believe.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/obamacare-cbo-report-jobs
 
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rodeomom3
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2014-02-05 10:44 AM
Subject: RE: The Rest of the Story



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I know I shouldn't but I can not help myself.   Vicki, you and MSNBC just don't get it.  Whether it is jobs killed or people working less hours the effect is the same.  Less hours being worked means less revenue to the government so how are we going to pay for all of this???  MSNBC is already shouting from the roof tops we will have to raise taxes to compensate for the loss of revenue because there are less hours being worked.  They admit it, they know it.  ANY PROGRAM THAT PROMOTES LESS REVENUE IS NOT GOOD FOR OUR COUNTRY!!  We cannot afford it.   Where is the personal responsibility to do your part, not just enough to get by and let others pick up the tab for you??   The ACA does not promote rewarding hard work and acheivement, it saids kick back and relax, the others got you covered.  What a farce,  THE ACA was absolutely the wrong way to go to fix our heath care system. It is highlighted in this report that the ACA provides less incentives to work because the less you make the more subsidies you get. Is that a good thing????? pan>

 

The GOP Has It Wrong: Obamacare Won't 'Cost' 2 Million Jobs

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What the CBO really found was that the numbers of hours worked would decrease under Obamacare, by roughly 1.5 percent to 2 percent between 2017 and 2024. The report then translated those lost hours into the equivalent of 2.5 million jobs. But that doesn't mean 2.5 million jobs are going to disappear from the U.S. economy.

The CBO report, in fact, specifically undermines that claim. Those lost hours will "almost entirely" be the result of people choosing to work fewer hours because of Obamacare -- not because they lost their jobs or can't find a full-time job.

The estimated reduction stems almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply, rather than from a net drop in businesses' demand for labor, so it will appear almost entirely as a reduction in labor force participation and in hours worked relative to what would have occurred otherwise rather than as an increase in unemployment (that is, more workers seeking but not finding jobs) or underemployment (such as part-time workers who would prefer to work more hours per week).

 

The report explicitly says that Obamacare isn't going to force businesses to cut jobs on any grand scale. What it is going to do is change how much Americans work.

"I think it’s important to distinguish between people choosing to work less and jobs being lost," Larry Levitt, vice president at the non-partisan Kaiser Famiy Foundation, told TPM. "That is something important to keep an eye on, since you don’t want to discourage work. But, it’s not in all cases a bad thing."

"For example, some people in their late 50s and early 60s would like to retire because they have health issues but have kept working for the health benefits. Some of them can now retire because they can’t be discriminated against for having a pre-existing condition and may get help paying their premiums."

The White House used that argument to push back against the GOP attacks.

"CBO finds that because of this law, individuals will be empowered to make choices about their own lives and livelihoods, like retiring on time rather than working into their elderly years or choosing to spend more time with their families," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said.

So how exactly will the law influence Americans? It is, of course, complicated.

The main takeaway is: Obamacare will affect how much Americans decide to work. Why? Benefits like tax subsidies to purchase private health coverage and expanded Medicaid are based on income. The more money you make, the fewer benefits you receive. In general, the law's added financial security will likely give Americans a little less incentive to work.

Some Americans will therefore decide to work less. That could manifest in different ways: some people might chose to transition to part-time work; others might wait longer between jobs. One population -- those nearing retirement age -- might opt to retire early because the law allows them to continue receiving health coverage even if they don't work.

But the ultimate impact of those decisions is the same: Americans will be working less. But not because there will be so many fewer jobs, as Kaiser's Levitt explained to TPM.

"If you guarantee people insurance even if they don’t get it on the job and you give them help based on their income, that’s likely to lead to people working somewhat less," he said. "That’s going to be true of any means tested program. The only way around it is not to give people the help."

Obamacare will have some effect on businesses and how many workers they chose to employ, but the net impact is hard to deduce, the CBO reported. Parts of the law, such as the employer mandate penalty, will likely reduce the demand for workers among businesses. But that will be offset, at least in part, because of the law's positive financial benefits, putting more money into the economy and increasing demand for goods and services.

The report didn't include any specific projections of how those opposing forces would influence the labor market -- and, as the CBO said itself, they should be negligible compared to Americans' own decisions about how much they want to work.

But those nuances haven't stopped the horse-race coverage from reading the report as a win for Republicans and a devastating blow to Democrats. At the Washington Post, Chris Cilliza gets the facts of the CBO report correct, but says it doesn't matter. Republicans can still use it against Democrats.

"Republicans have made quite clear that they will do everything they can to make the 2014 election a referendum on Obamacare and, more broadly, President Obama. And this CBO report gives them a major arrow in that quiver."



Edited by rodeomom3 2014-02-05 11:20 AM
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jojammer
Reg. Feb 2011
Posted 2014-02-05 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: The Rest of the Story



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It really tears me up that some people can't see the forest for the trees. Welfare minded.

What this does is makes it harder on the few people left in this country who truly want to get ahead and make something of themselves. It promotes relying on govt handouts and I just really really disagree with that way of thinking.
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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2014-02-05 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: The Rest of the Story



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TPM (Talking Points Memo) is a liberal journal....a self described liberal journal. The fact that Vicki has to resort to this highlights the desperation she and the rest of the liberals must be feeling.
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barrelracr131
Reg. Aug 2011
Posted 2014-02-05 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: The Rest of the Story


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I'm pretty sure "talkingpointsmemo.com" is not widely considered to be a credible news source.... you want me to post some garbage from "liberalssuck.com" and pretend that it's the gospel truth too?

Come on now

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rodeomom3
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2014-02-05 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: The Rest of the Story



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 They are accurately reporting what the CBO saids.  It is their spin that it makes a difference that it is less hours worked not jobs lost- the end result is the same, less work means others pay.

Edited by rodeomom3 2014-02-05 12:35 PM
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Nevertooold
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2014-02-05 12:29 PM
Subject: RE: The Rest of the Story



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The dumbing down of America at work.
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realitycheck
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2014-02-05 4:01 PM
Subject: RE: The Rest of the Story


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CJE
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2014-02-05 6:48 PM
Subject: RE: The Rest of the Story



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Nevertooold - 2014-02-04 1:29 PM The dumbing down of America at work.

Yes is is........and this will put us on the European mind set.........
 
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