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| cheryl makofka - 2014-02-16 8:54 PM
Is this horse yours? As you say the mares owner.
If this isn't your horse, I would suggest getting a been there done that horse that is super consistent, as for someone trying to learn how to barrel race on am inconsistent horse is very hard.
No she is not mine, I have put all the training on this horse, her owner got her as a wild 4 year old, she got her somewhat sane to ride, then I put most of everything else on her as an early 5 year old (with her owners help). She's 9 years old now and 10 fold improvement. We are getting better, she has a really nice pattern on her, I just need to haul her more and run her more. The more I run her, the better she does. I have no doubt if she wasn't almost ruined when we got her, we would be a lot farther along in her training.
Like I said guys, completely hypothetical. I'm not getting rid of this mare just yet. Thanks for the responses. |
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Location: OK | You can sometimes find a cheapy that will win some because of some problems he has or whatever. BUT, you have to decide what you want out of this. If YOU would rather stick with one horse whether or not you win, then it does not matter where you clock.
If you want to WIN, there are heartbreaking times when you have to say to yourself, it's time to move on and send this horse to someone who fits his level so I can reach my level.
If that is the case, if you want to improve, you can either invest the $ and get with someone who can help you advance, or you can invest the bigger $ and try to buy a horse, in which case, you will have to advance anyway. My advice to you is, get yourself and your horse to the very best you can be. Master this horse. Then decide if it's enough.
Your mom.... definitely needs to get on and show you how it's done. That should fix that problem. Be SURE to video her so she can see what she looks like. |
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Location: Oklahoma | My dad let me know early on that we cant afford proven 1D horses so I have made it a goal to improve my own riding skills and get to where I can make them. I would still be rather look for young horses with the right breeding and potential and pay for the training before I could afford a 45k+ horse |
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| Remember guys, this is all hypothetical. I am perfectly happy where I am right now with this mare and I have a 2year old I'm working with that I'm going to break later this summer. I'm not a bad rider, and I like how rewarding it is to train your own horse, not just getting on a horse where you kick and sit and it wins for you. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Your great attitude i going to take you far . . . now just trust yourself more when your Mom is around. Have faith in yourself and focus on you, your horse, and the run. I've been deep in your shoes (not in barrels, though), and just know you can overcome it. |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Longneck - 2014-02-16 3:12 PM sophiebelle - 2014-02-16 4:55 PM Have your mom run the horse to show you what she means... This is seriously what I wanted my dad to do with a gelding I ran! He even bought a video camera to critique me on a stride by stride basis. But I was young and knew it all.Now when I look back (8-10 years later ) at those videos I tell myself what I should have done...stride by stride. I'm assuming that your mom doesn't ride... if that's the case then bless her heart because running barrels sure looks a lot easier on the sidelines.I would suggest attending some clinics and seeing if a professional can help you out with your current mare. A simple bit change might be all you need to have better turns. As far as the pricing goes it can vary greatly depending upon your area, but you might be able to find a winner halfway across the country for something more financially feasible... you just gotta be willing to travel and hope that their winners aren't 2d where you are.
My husbands dad was just saying yesterday how he could run barrels and it's not that hard to do. He said he may not run a winning time, but there's nothing to getting a horse around a pattern...... They went to a local rodeo where they live. He said the winning girl didn't even have to ride the horse. Just sat and held on. So apparently it's a lot easier then we all make it out to be, right?
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Location: sunny california | so I guess he hasn't figured out that it is the best riders that make it LOOK easy |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | kwanatha - 2014-02-17 9:37 AM so I guess he hasn't figured out that it is the best riders that make it LOOK easy
LOOK is the key word. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | If this horse is truly a "2D" horse, then you really need to evaluate your riding. When your up block your mom out the way you do the rest of the crowd. I say your horse can clock in the 1D with your finesse. If you get the Barrel Horse News you'll get to see just how much a 1D horse costs over the board. Get your horse softer and more responsive and study your skills on video you should be able to determine where you are making the most mistakes and clean up your times. |
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| cow pie - 2014-02-17 1:37 PM
If this horse is truly a "2D" horse, then you really need to evaluate your riding. When your up block your mom out the way you do the rest of the crowd. I say your horse can clock in the 1D with your finesse. If you get the Barrel Horse News you'll get to see just how much a 1D horse costs over the board. Get your horse softer and more responsive and study your skills on video you should be able to determine where you are making the most mistakes and clean up your times.
When we run awesome runs is when she is winning 2D youth, 3D open. She also has only been really pushed for like 8 races, there is nothing wrong with her training, she just needs hauled and seasoned more and I need people to get off my back about stupid crap that will get better with time and hauling. She is not finished, I keep repeating this. She was a horribly started 4 year when we got her and it took 2 years of retraining for her to be somewhat ready to even fast lope the pattern. She's 9 this year, and only started being really pushed in October of her 8year old year. She has raced once as a 9 year old and ran really well. |
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-02-17 4:43 PM
cow pie - 2014-02-17 1:37 PM
If this horse is truly a "2D" horse, then you really need to evaluate your riding. When your up block your mom out the way you do the rest of the crowd. I say your horse can clock in the 1D with your finesse. If you get the Barrel Horse News you'll get to see just how much a 1D horse costs over the board. Get your horse softer and more responsive and study your skills on video you should be able to determine where you are making the most mistakes and clean up your times.
When we run awesome runs is when she is winning 2D youth, 3D open. She also has only been really pushed for like 8 races, there is nothing wrong with her training, she just needs hauled and seasoned more and I need people to get off my back about stupid crap that will get better with time and hauling. She is not finished, I keep repeating this. She was a horribly started 4 year when we got her and it took 2 years of retraining for her to be somewhat ready to even fast lope the pattern. She's 9 this year, and only started being really pushed in October of her 8year old year. She has raced once as a 9 year old and ran really well.
Just for clarification
If the fastest horse runs at that arena is running 14.8 and you are running 16's on a good day. This is not a 2d horse, maybe a 3d horse probably a 4d horse.
I do believe that horses need seasoning but if all the time and training has been done properly, they shouldn't be blowing by barrels or knocking, they should be having the same pattern each time just running faster.
As what some people have said I suggest getting a trainer to spend time with you and this horse.
I would also be asking the owner of the horse what she is planning on doing with said horse, as thst is a lot of time to be donating on a horse you don't own.
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Location: West Tennessee | cheryl makofka - 2014-02-17 6:19 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-02-17 4:43 PM cow pie - 2014-02-17 1:37 PM If this horse is truly a "2D" horse, then you really need to evaluate your riding. When your up block your mom out the way you do the rest of the crowd. I say your horse can clock in the 1D with your finesse. If you get the Barrel Horse News you'll get to see just how much a 1D horse costs over the board. Get your horse softer and more responsive and study your skills on video you should be able to determine where you are making the most mistakes and clean up your times. When we run awesome runs is when she is winning 2D youth, 3D open. She also has only been really pushed for like 8 races, there is nothing wrong with her training, she just needs hauled and seasoned more and I need people to get off my back about stupid crap that will get better with time and hauling. She is not finished, I keep repeating this. She was a horribly started 4 year when we got her and it took 2 years of retraining for her to be somewhat ready to even fast lope the pattern. She's 9 this year, and only started being really pushed in October of her 8year old year. She has raced once as a 9 year old and ran really well. Just for clarification If the fastest horse runs at that arena is running 14.8 and you are running 16's on a good day. This is not a 2d horse, maybe a 3d horse probably a 4d horse. I do believe that horses need seasoning but if all the time and training has been done properly, they shouldn't be blowing by barrels or knocking, they should be having the same pattern each time just running faster. As what some people have said I suggest getting a trainer to spend time with you and this horse. I would also be asking the owner of the horse what she is planning on doing with said horse, as thst is a lot of time to be donating on a horse you don't own.
LOL, I read it as occasionally 14.8's but usually 15's are the winning 1D times -- if it's a youth class, it's probably a 3D with 1 second splits therefore a 16 second run would be 2D. I believe the 3D would come into play when the unusual 14 plus runs happened  but then, maybe I read it completely wrong.....
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| dme0324 - 2014-02-17 8:10 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-02-17 6:19 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-02-17 4:43 PM cow pie - 2014-02-17 1:37 PM If this horse is truly a "2D" horse, then you really need to evaluate your riding. When your up block your mom out the way you do the rest of the crowd. I say your horse can clock in the 1D with your finesse. If you get the Barrel Horse News you'll get to see just how much a 1D horse costs over the board. Get your horse softer and more responsive and study your skills on video you should be able to determine where you are making the most mistakes and clean up your times. When we run awesome runs is when she is winning 2D youth, 3D open. She also has only been really pushed for like 8 races, there is nothing wrong with her training, she just needs hauled and seasoned more and I need people to get off my back about stupid crap that will get better with time and hauling. She is not finished, I keep repeating this. She was a horribly started 4 year when we got her and it took 2 years of retraining for her to be somewhat ready to even fast lope the pattern. She's 9 this year, and only started being really pushed in October of her 8year old year. She has raced once as a 9 year old and ran really well. Just for clarification If the fastest horse runs at that arena is running 14.8 and you are running 16's on a good day. This is not a 2d horse, maybe a 3d horse probably a 4d horse. I do believe that horses need seasoning but if all the time and training has been done properly, they shouldn't be blowing by barrels or knocking, they should be having the same pattern each time just running faster. As what some people have said I suggest getting a trainer to spend time with you and this horse. I would also be asking the owner of the horse what she is planning on doing with said horse, as thst is a lot of time to be donating on a horse you don't own. but then, maybe I read it completely wrong.....
You are completely correct. Only one horse around here runs a 14 and that is only if he can even get through the pattern at all. And he only runs in Open, not youth.
Full second splits put me in the 2D when we run our 16s, then in open we usually get in the 3D/4D (again, it all depends on how that horse runs, and these are half second splits) |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-02-17 7:19 PM
I would also be asking the owner of the horse what she is planning on doing with said horse, as thst is a lot of time to be donating on a horse you don't own.
The owner will either breed her or sell her after I'm done with her. She is a WP trainer and got this paint mare in a trade (along with a nice WP POA mare who she has sold already) for her 4 year QH gelding. She says it was the best trade she ever did, since she is the smartest mare she's ever rode.
Donating isn't really the word for it. I've learned more from this mare than any other horse I've rode. First one I've ever retrained. And I prefer not to own the horses I work with, I only work on other people's horses.
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Location: Florida.. | To succeed in training a horse you must stay on course.. if horse is moving forward and not backward then continue moving forward in your program.. dont rush to appease others if you are the rider ..Dont justify their actions nor have self doubt.. its hard but thats the only way to achieve .. if it is working .. then stay focused.. other words... let her talk but just let it go in one ear and out the other.. Now if horse isnt moving forward and having issues then basic work again..
wanted to add. it certainly will help you feel better if you went to a clinic every few months to conitnue your learning and get a 2nd set of eyes to help achieve things.. trainers are always learning..
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| Bibliafarm - 2014-02-17 9:27 PM
To succeed in training a horse you must stay on course.. if horse is moving forward and not backward then continue moving forward in your program.. dont rush to appease others if you are the rider ..Dont justify their actions nor have self doubt.. its hard but thats the only way to achieve .. if it is working .. then stay focused.. other words... let her talk but just let it go in one ear and out the other.. Now if horse isnt moving forward and having issues then basic work again..
She is moving forward, and I have no doubt she will be really hauling well when this weather behaves itself, we have an outdoor arena. 2 inches of ice with 6 inches of snow is not rideable. And Indiana decided to throw a thunderstorm in today. 
I am very happy with how she is moving forward, and she is a mix between push and free, you push hard into it, but you have to rate a little too, so when I'm not focused, it doesn't work. That is why she blows/knocks barrels sometimes, it's not her fault her rider is distracted. |
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Location: Florida.. | FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-02-17 9:30 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-02-17 9:27 PM To succeed in training a horse you must stay on course.. if horse is moving forward and not backward then continue moving forward in your program.. dont rush to appease others if you are the rider ..Dont justify their actions nor have self doubt.. its hard but thats the only way to achieve .. if it is working .. then stay focused.. other words... let her talk but just let it go in one ear and out the other.. Now if horse isnt moving forward and having issues then basic work again.. She is moving forward, and I have no doubt she will be really hauling well when this weather behaves itself, we have an outdoor arena. 2 inches of ice with 6 inches of snow is not rideable. And Indiana decided to throw a thunderstorm in today. I am very happy with how she is moving forward, and she is a mix between push and free, you push hard into it, but you have to rate a little too, so when I'm not focused, it doesn't work. That is why she blows/knocks barrels sometimes, it's not her fault her rider is distracted. 
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Location: N.Florida | Just something else you can point out to your mom-if you are making riding mistakes (your words) on a 3d/4d horse, then obviously you aren't ready for a 1d horse-the mistakes will get worse and you won't have 1d runs, no matter how proven the horse is. Tell her when you feel you are riding to your full potential THEN you will be ready to move up, until then its a waste of money and will only cause frustration (on your part, the horse's part AND hers!) Who knows-once you start fixing your mistakes the horse you are riding now might surprise you! |
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| Honey I'm the same way. I get nervous and make mistakes. Don't let all that get to you. Visualize your run before you enter that arena. Have your hands right, your feet, your tack, everything right. Then go in there and ride to your points! One barrel at a time. Like Joe says sometimes you have to slow down to go fast. Don't over ride. Just one barrel at a time.
Your not going to win this thing with your mom, but you can control your nerves. Don't over ride. Just make your run. You can do it! |
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Location: North Dakota | In the future if you are a true 1-D rider you can get a young horse that knows the basics of riding and make a nice barrel horse without having to pay the big bucks! When a horse becomes aggrevating to ride I move on to something that is fun for me to deal with! |
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