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Location: Kansas | how do you manage it? Is there ever a possibility of the horse coming back from it? I've never dealt with a horse that has laminitis. .....And my blue mare has it. |
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Location: Southern OK aka God's Country | It depends on the severity and the onset, from my understanding. My horse developed acute onset laminitis from eating at a deer feeder all night long (he was so happy). The next morning I found him acting odd (rapid breathing, temp, pulse in fetlock area, etc), and called the vet, so we caught it early and treated it with banamine, removing him from food (grass hay only) and administering bute as needed. He made a full recovery and has not had any ill effects. Untreated, long term or chronic laminitis is more likely to lead to founder, which is a more serious condition. You can have laminitis without founder, but you cannot have founder without laminitis. Once the structures of the feet are affected, I'm not sure how useable the horse will remain for any period of time. |
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Location: Kansas | SoonerLawyer - 2014-02-27 7:48 AM It depends on the severity and the onset, from my understanding. My horse developed acute onset laminitis from eating at a deer feeder all night long (he was so happy). The next morning I found him acting odd (rapid breathing, temp, pulse in fetlock area, etc), and called the vet, so we caught it early and treated it with banamine, removing him from food (grass hay only) and administering bute as needed. He made a full recovery and has not had any ill effects. Untreated, long term or chronic laminitis is more likely to lead to founder, which is a more serious condition. You can have laminitis without founder, but you cannot have founder without laminitis. Once the structures of the feet are affected, I'm not sure how useable the horse will remain for any period of time.
Thank you. I'm not exactly sure how bad her case is....because she doesn't act sore or lame. She runs around the pasture, and has never acted sore afterwards. |
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Location: Everywhere | What did she get into???? |
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Location: Kansas | deb rathburn - 2014-02-27 8:09 AM
What did she get into????
Honestly not sure, I bought her and her feet were severly neglected (horribly overgrown), so I had my farrier clip a bit off...then I sent her to a trainer. She was there for a few months, and I paid him to trim her feet.....well it never happened. I picked her up thursday after I had a very intense discussion about how thin she was...and her feet were absolutely horrible.
My farrier came out yesterday and trimmed a large amount of hoof, she is basically sitting on her soles. Farrier will be back in 8 weeks to see how much wall has grown in, and she will be trimmed again. She doesn't act sore/lame at all, which amazes me. I'm starting her on senior feed, and she gets prairie hay. |
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Location: Everywhere | hoofs_in_motion - 2014-02-27 9:22 AM
deb rathburn - 2014-02-27 8:09 AM
What did she get into????
Honestly not sure, I bought her and her feet were severly neglected (horribly overgrown ), so I had my farrier clip a bit off...then I sent her to a trainer. She was there for a few months, and I paid him to trim her feet.....well it never happened. I picked her up thursday after I had a very intense discussion about how thin she was...and her feet were absolutely horrible.
My farrier came out yesterday and trimmed a large amount of hoof, she is basically sitting on her soles. Farrier will be back in 8 weeks to see how much wall has grown in, and she will be trimmed again. She doesn't act sore/lame at all, which amazes me. I'm starting her on senior feed, and she gets prairie hay.
Hopefully she will be ok Emerge supplement is good for weight gain and lots of other stuff |
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| I was a lucky one, went out to found my horse in the foundered stance and walking very stiff when I made him walk to barn. Called vet immediately and got a bucket of ice water and wrapped the rags around his feet till he could arrive. We put him on heperan, aspirin, ace and bute I believe, I kept his feet in IV bags for 80 hours and added ice every 2 hours, yes even through the night. We saved him, he had no rotation and is back to running barrels just as good as before. We do not know what set it off. We couldn't ever figure it out , vet considered it a random case, maybe something to do with the heat and he is a black horse. We are almost a year out and I'm very careful with him now, even more so than before. He wears his soft rides anytime he's trailered, whether it be 5 minutes or 2 hours, he also has them on walking on rocks or concrete. This summer his pasture time will be limited once everything is green again and he won't be outside in the heat of the day once it gets over 85 without a shed. I have also had him on the theraplate since then and his feet have grown a lot faster than any vet thought they would. Once his line is gone and his feet have completely grown out his higher chance of another onset lowers a little bit. You want them to have a GOOD amount of hoof and sole depth, we do not take off very much of my guy and he's on a strict 6 week schedule, because when the toe gets long it stresses the laminae. My advice for anyone is to take the few extra steps if this happens to one of your horses, go the extra mile for them. Don't wait to call the vet! Also keep some IV bags on hand in case it does ever happen! the faster you get those feet cooled off the better off you will be. Sonic ice works the best!
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| I would X-ray to see where the coffin bones are, then get the farrier to trim to the coffin bone.
Also walking on the sole of the feet is good, this gives the lamania a break and reduces the chance of the lamania tearing.
I have had 3-13 degree rotation that we were able to get back to normal, with no long term effects. Foundered horses will abscess easier, so watch for that. |
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Location: Kansas | cheryl makofka - 2014-02-27 8:40 AM I would X-ray to see where the coffin bones are, then get the farrier to trim to the coffin bone. Also walking on the sole of the feet is good, this gives the lamania a break and reduces the chance of the lamania tearing. I have had 3-13 degree rotation that we were able to get back to normal, with no long term effects. Foundered horses will abscess easier, so watch for that.
Ok, I'm hauling into the vet saturday for a float. I'll ask for x-rays as well |
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| I am fortunate enough that my vet/farrier is regarded as one of the top laminitis vets in the country. I have seen some of the horses he has worked on with laminitis so bad, they couldn't stand. And he has managed to heal them. His saying is, "Never give up on them, there is always something we can do." Here is his blog that has a TON of good information on laminitis and some of the cases he has worked on: http://www.innovativeequinepodiatry.blogspot.com/ |
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| We have a gelding on the place that has had it for years, at least 10. We keep him on a short schedule with the farrier(every 4 weeks) and keep shoes on him at all times. We also limit the amount of grazing come spring and fall because of the amount of sugar in the grass. Decrease the amount of starch being fed and we don't feed him anything with molasses in it. Sometimes he'll have a flare up out of the blue and we'll give him bute for a few days and stand him in mud for an hour in the am and pm. Within 4-5 days we see significant improvement. He developed acute laminitis following his spell with photosensitization. Usually there has been something to trigger laminitis not just getting into a bag of feed or something but some kind of trauma, fever, sick, etc. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | hoofs_in_motion - 2014-02-27 7:22 AM deb rathburn - 2014-02-27 8:09 AM What did she get into???? Honestly not sure, I bought her and her feet were severly neglected (horribly overgrown ), so I had my farrier clip a bit off...then I sent her to a trainer. She was there for a few months, and I paid him to trim her feet.....well it never happened. I picked her up thursday after I had a very intense discussion about how thin she was...and her feet were absolutely horrible. My farrier came out yesterday and trimmed a large amount of hoof, she is basically sitting on her soles. Farrier will be back in 8 weeks to see how much wall has grown in, and she will be trimmed again. She doesn't act sore/lame at all, which amazes me. I'm starting her on senior feed, and she gets prairie hay.
Stress can do it, as well as poor over grown feet. Out stud died of it last year. He was very long in the toe (the way they trim them to race, and he was long to boot). The vets and myself feel he had some underlying issue, we will never know, but it could have been from match racing on hard surfaces too. Either way he went very fast no matter what we did for him. It was horrible. |
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Location: Great NW | I have heard not to haul them while the laminitis is active. I know that Total Health Enhancement products have helped several horses. sounds like possible Stress founder. My mare I kept on a bland diet - she was never ever ever put out on spring grass and she could tolerate a little alfalfa. I kept careful watch over her. |
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| speedjunkie - 2014-02-27 6:00 PM
I have heard not to haul them while the laminitis is active. I know that Total Health Enhancement products have helped several horses. sounds like possible Stress founder. My mare I kept on a bland diet - she was never ever ever put out on spring grass and she could tolerate a little alfalfa. I kept careful watch over her.
If they are actively foundering it is not a good idea to haul. Active founder talking about rocking back not moving, positive pedal pulses, heat in the feet.
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Location: Kansas | cheryl makofka - 2014-02-27 6:05 PM
speedjunkie - 2014-02-27 6:00 PM
I have heard not to haul them while the laminitis is active. I know that Total Health Enhancement products have helped several horses. sounds like possible Stress founder. My mare I kept on a bland diet - she was never ever ever put out on spring grass and she could tolerate a little alfalfa. I kept careful watch over her.
If they are actively foundering it is not a good idea to haul. Active founder talking about rocking back not moving, positive pedal pulses, heat in the feet.
she isn't showing any of those signs. How serious is it if she isn't showing any symptoms? Not even any lameness? |
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