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Location: Midwest | If a person actually wants government run healthcare, it's pretty obvious you have never been to a government run hospital here in the US, or more importantly dealt with one from a healthcare worker's perspective.
Glaringly obvious.
Canada may have an overall decent system, but we are not Canada. Our government is in some ways, very different.
Honestly, the system was better before. And yes, I am fairly sure this is phase 1 to move to a single payer system.
It does not take a rocket scientist to look at our president's mentors growning up and see his overall plan for this country. Honestly, America is going to get exactly what it deserves for electing this dude. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I think Reagan recognized Medicare as an established program, established by the representatives of duly elected officials some two decades earlier. It was/is essentially the law of the land. Unlike the current president who is weak, feeble, inept, and corrupt.....Reagan probably considered it to be sacrosanct. It's well known that he wanted to privatize social security at one point, but he knew this too was looked upon as sacrosanct.....not to mention political suicide because the Democrats had crafted this into a political tool for demagoguery.
Liberals are convinced that medicare is a sweet deal......it's a rip off, plain and simple. No different than social security. If you average $40K a year over the course of your lifetime and put 2.9% of that away in an interest-bearing fund/account that averaged an annual growth of 5-7% per year, you will wind up with about $350,000 by the time you are old enough to draw off Medicare. I would think a person could buy an awful lot of insurance/healthcare with that kind of money. If you die before age 62, all that money is still owned by your heirs/estate. With medicare, that money just goes into the black hole that the liberals love to worship.....government. Same thing with Social Security.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-03-24 8:40 AM If a person actually wants government run healthcare, it's pretty obvious you have never been to a government run hospital here in the US, or more importantly dealt with one from a healthcare worker's perspective. Glaringly obvious. Canada may have an overall decent system, but we are not Canada. Our government is in some ways, very different. Honestly, the system was better before. And yes, I am fairly sure this is phase 1 to move to a single payer system. It does not take a rocket scientist to look at our president's mentors growning up and see his overall plan for this country. Honestly, America is going to get exactly what it deserves for electing this dude.
You got that right, Alison. Take a look at the annual VA budget for healthcare and divide that by the number of veterans it supposedly serves. The number is staggering. If you want to see a staggering number, extrapolate those VA numbers out to cover 325 million Americans. That will give you a very rough idea of what a liberal socialized national healthcare system would cost. That doesn't even take into account the quality of care! | |
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Location: Midwest | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-24 9:03 AM
barrelracr131 - 2014-03-24 8:40 AM If a person actually wants government run healthcare, it's pretty obvious you have never been to a government run hospital here in the US, or more importantly dealt with one from a healthcare worker's perspective. Glaringly obvious. Canada may have an overall decent system, but we are not Canada. Our government is in some ways, very different. Honestly, the system was better before. And yes, I am fairly sure this is phase 1 to move to a single payer system. It does not take a rocket scientist to look at our president's mentors growning up and see his overall plan for this country. Honestly, America is going to get exactly what it deserves for electing this dude.
You got that right, Alison. Â Take a look at the annual VA budget for healthcare and divide that by the number of veterans it supposedly serves. Â The number is staggering. Â If you want to see a staggering number, extrapolate those VA numbers out to cover 325 million Americans. Â That will give you a very rough idea of what a liberal socialized national healthcare system would cost. Â That doesn't even take into account the quality of care!
My lab is located really close to a certain government hospital.
They were in the news recently for stacking bodies in the morgue drawers that also had improper/imcomplete IDs....
I have lots of personal anecdotes regarding the quality of their care, paperwork filling out skills, and a couple people I know who went there.
One specifically ended up in another hospital after he had a tracheotomy done, and the hospital sent him home without any antibiotics (and did not write him an Rx).
Guess what, massive infection. | |
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Location: Ohio | Here in Ohio the application process is backed up so I have been waiting to see how much my husband and I will actually be paying. This whole process has made me so uneasy and creeps me out. Goodbye Land of the Free, it was fun while it lasted!  | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-03-24 9:30 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-03-24 9:03 AM barrelracr131 - 2014-03-24 8:40 AM If a person actually wants government run healthcare, it's pretty obvious you have never been to a government run hospital here in the US, or more importantly dealt with one from a healthcare worker's perspective. Glaringly obvious. Canada may have an overall decent system, but we are not Canada. Our government is in some ways, very different. Honestly, the system was better before. And yes, I am fairly sure this is phase 1 to move to a single payer system. It does not take a rocket scientist to look at our president's mentors growning up and see his overall plan for this country. Honestly, America is going to get exactly what it deserves for electing this dude. You got that right, Alison. Take a look at the annual VA budget for healthcare and divide that by the number of veterans it supposedly serves. The number is staggering. If you want to see a staggering number, extrapolate those VA numbers out to cover 325 million Americans. That will give you a very rough idea of what a liberal socialized national healthcare system would cost. That doesn't even take into account the quality of care! My lab is located really close to a certain government hospital. They were in the news recently for stacking bodies in the morgue drawers that also had improper/imcomplete IDs.... I have lots of personal anecdotes regarding the quality of their care, paperwork filling out skills, and a couple people I know who went there. One specifically ended up in another hospital after he had a tracheotomy done, and the hospital sent him home without any antibiotics (and did not write him an Rx ). Guess what, massive infection.
The VA is a case study in government inefficiency. People would be irate to learn of the games the individual hospitals play in order to jack up their budgets so they get a bigger share of the trough. Back in the 80s, for instance, they had a "rule" that a patient had to be admitted in order to have any kind of operation. Yes, that's true. If you had to remove a zit from someone you couldn't do it in the clinic....it had to be in the OR. In order to be scheduled, you had to be an inpatient. Not only that, but all patients, regardless of how minor the operation was or how healthy the patient, had to have a CBC, a metabolic panel, a urinalysis, an ECG and a chest xray. When I b!tched about it, the administrator I talked to just openly admitted that the reason for those outlandish rules and labs was so they could get more money allocated/appropriated to that hospital (in Milwaukee). Granted, they don't do that now, but you can be sure similar games are played with taxpayer dollars. If we had to pay for everyone's healthcare and if we project those numbers to cover 325 million citizens, we would may roughly $ 1 TRILLION more per year. Keep in mind that is based on the VA's own numbers. When they say they provide care for over 5 million vets, they are lying. A lot of vets get very routine care and meds through the VA system, Anything out of the ordinary or anything serious winds up in a private hospital or clinic! If you buy Flintstone vitamins using your VA benefits, but take care of your prostate cancer at a private hospital, they will include you in their list of vets being cared for at the VA. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-24 8:54 AM I think Reagan recognized Medicare as an established program, established by the representatives of duly elected officials some two decades earlier. It was/is essentially the law of the land. Unlike the current president who is weak, feeble, inept, and corrupt.....Reagan probably considered it to be sacrosanct. It's well known that he wanted to privatize social security at one point, but he knew this too was looked upon as sacrosanct.....not to mention political suicide because the Democrats had crafted this into a political tool for demagoguery.
Liberals are convinced that medicare is a sweet deal......it's a rip off, plain and simple. No different than social security. If you average $40K a year over the course of your lifetime and put 2.9% of that away in an interest-bearing fund/account that averaged an annual growth of 5-7% per year, you will wind up with about $350,000 by the time you are old enough to draw off Medicare. I would think a person could buy an awful lot of insurance/healthcare with that kind of money. If you die before age 62, all that money is still owned by your heirs/estate. With medicare, that money just goes into the black hole that the liberals love to worship.....government. Same thing with Social Security.
Then they take $109.00 out of your social security check for Medicare part B. My husband then pays $43.00 monthly for his RX and $155.00 for his supplemental. Far from being free..LOL
I'm doing our taxes right now and I can't believe what we pay out in insurance a year. Makes me want to  | |
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| GoGaited - 2014-03-22 1:11 PM
TAX STRIKE.
I don't MIND paying taxes as long as they go to something that we need. Which it is not. Like the government shut down...they didn't pay soldiers, unemployment, seniors, or keep national parks and government agencies open...but the dumb asses in congress STILL got paid! | |
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Location: The end of the Earth, SE AR | Nevertooold - 2014-03-24 2:34 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-03-24 8:54 AM I think Reagan recognized Medicare as an established program, established by the representatives of duly elected officials some two decades earlier. It was/is essentially the law of the land. Unlike the current president who is weak, feeble, inept, and corrupt.....Reagan probably considered it to be sacrosanct. It's well known that he wanted to privatize social security at one point, but he knew this too was looked upon as sacrosanct.....not to mention political suicide because the Democrats had crafted this into a political tool for demagoguery.
Liberals are convinced that medicare is a sweet deal......it's a rip off, plain and simple. No different than social security. If you average $40K a year over the course of your lifetime and put 2.9% of that away in an interest-bearing fund/account that averaged an annual growth of 5-7% per year, you will wind up with about $350,000 by the time you are old enough to draw off Medicare. I would think a person could buy an awful lot of insurance/healthcare with that kind of money. If you die before age 62, all that money is still owned by your heirs/estate. With medicare, that money just goes into the black hole that the liberals love to worship.....government. Same thing with Social Security.
Then they take $109.00 out of your social security check for Medicare part B. My husband then pays $43.00 monthly for his RX and $155.00 for his supplemental. Far from being free..LOL
I'm doing our taxes right now and I can't believe what we pay out in insurance a year. Makes me want to
Right there with ya, sister.
And this year instead of a set tier of prices for drugs, like $30 $50 etc, its a percentage of the drug's cost, such as we pay 40% or 50% or 60% and that's AFTER meeting a deductible amount.
There is a big difference in the plans pre-Obummercare and this year.
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Location: My Own Little World | I haven't read the all the posts, but here's my perspective. The IRS is calling it the "individual Shared Responsibility Payment" I am NOT happy. In fact I am VERY upset :/ I am currently attending college online to earn a degree toward medical coding and billing, work a part time job(20 hrs) and barter for many things we need. I'm not feeling deprived by any means. My daughter & son (15 & 16) have always worked to help support their hobbies. (roping & dirt track racing) They earn sponsors too. My mom shares a house with us and we have chickens & goats for milk, eggs, and meat. I'm not trying to say we are some kind of super hero family, but we are a pretty healthy bunch. In our state, the kids & I would qualify for medicaid BUT I am morally against it for many reasons, so, we do not have it. When I start my new career, I plan to join a Christian co-op for health care costs. SO, because I am acting in a responsible way, I am going to be punished! SO ANGRY!!!!!!!! | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | When are people going to realize that medicare and social security are huge rip offs? I just wonder if people even THINK anymore.
What kind of a deal is it where an amount equivalent to over 15% of your income is confiscated over your lifetime, and in return you get sh!tty health insurance that needs to be supplemented, and a meager pittance in retirement income?
Please, some of you liberal types, in all seriousness, can you explain this to me? WHEN ARE PEOPLE GOING TO BEGIN USING THEIR BRAINS??????? Are we that dumb???? You Democrats are citizens too.....aren't you mad about this??? This should NOT be a Democrat/Republican issue. Everyone ought to be up in arms.
The average social security check is $1200 a month. People don't save for retirement anymore. How do they expect to live? Democrats run around touting the amazing success of social security. Really? Says who? I gues it is successful IF you support screwing citizens of their money through confiscation, and turning around and get away by calling it an "entitlement". Entitlement my ass! It's a loan to a bloated, inefficient, incompetent government and they basically default on it, more or less. An amount equivalent to over 15% of what we earn for LIFE and if you die before 62, unless you have a dependent, nothing gets paid back.
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| I agree. People are banking in SS. Well I'm 31 and pretty sure there will be non left by the time I am eligible. People all want something for nothing. Well that means someone is getting nothing for something. Case in point obamacare. The middle class is suffering and there is not going to be a middle class soon. How can anyone that has two brain cells to rub together think Obama care is a good idea | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | heidiinaz - 2014-03-24 4:37 PM I agree. People are banking in SS. Well I'm 31 and pretty sure there will be non left by the time I am eligible. People all want something for nothing. Well that means someone is getting nothing for something. Case in point obamacare. The middle class is suffering and there is not going to be a middle class soon. How can anyone that has two brain cells to rub together think Obama care is a good idea
Here's the rub, Heidi. Not only should you not bank on SS to be there when you retire, rather, you should scream at the top of your lungs to stop the confiscation of YOUR money. Are you and your peers content to just sit back and allow the status quo to continue without making a fuss? THAT is the only hope for a change. If people simply roll over and accept it as inevitable, then the government blood sucking will continue.
I would not be opposed to a simple transition to a privatized system. The "contribution" can remain the same, and it can be deemed untouchable until say age 60, except for death or disability. I wouldn't have a problem with that. All I am saying is get it the hell out of government hands, where it won't grow, and get it out into the private sector where a trillion dollars a year can be infused into the economy via investments through these retirement funds. With all the revenues and commerce this could stimulate, the tax revenues to the fed would soar.....and we can afford to take care of the 10% among us who can't care for themselves.
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| Totally makes sense and I whole heartily agree with you. Totally agree | |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-03-24 7:57 PM
heidiinaz - 2014-03-24 4:37 PM I agree. People are banking in SS. Well I'm 31 and pretty sure there will be non left by the time I am eligible. People all want something for nothing. Well that means someone is getting nothing for something. Case in point obamacare. The middle class is suffering and there is not going to be a middle class soon. How can anyone that has two brain cells to rub together think Obama care is a good idea
Here's the rub, Heidi. Â Not only should you not bank on SS to be there when you retire, rather, you should scream at the top of your lungs to stop the confiscation of YOUR money. Â Are you and your peers content to just sit back and allow the status quo to continue without making a fuss? Â THAT is the only hope for a change. Â If people simply roll over and accept it as inevitable, then the government blood sucking will continue. Â
I would not be opposed to a simple transition to a privatized system.  The "contribution" can remain the same, and it can be deemed untouchable until say age 60, except for death or disability.  I wouldn't have a problem with that.  All I am saying is get it the hell out of government hands, where it won't grow, and get it out into the private sector where a trillion dollars a year can be infused into the economy via investments through these retirement funds.  With all the revenues and commerce this could stimulate, the tax revenues to the fed would soar.....and we can afford to take care of the 10% among us who  can't care for themselves. Â
Does this make sense?
I agree. However no one in the congress or the senate will ever propose this. They will never give up their piggy bank or the power behind it. Same with Obummer care and the 28 new taxes that comes with it. I see only one way to get the power back in the hands of public.....Constitutional Convention. | |
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