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npurvis08
Reg. Nov 2013
Posted 2014-05-16 9:47 AM
Subject: Help! Horse with Choke



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So before I get into anything please know that my horse has been seen by two vets in the last two days to figure out whats going on. Both have sent him home and said that they believed that he choked on Wednesday morning but that he seemed to have cleared it on his own. We have never dealt with choke so we're not sure what else to expect from here.

The first vet saw him Wednesday morning. She ran a tube down his throat and said it was clear by the time we got him there. She sent him home with no worries and told us to soak his feed for the next few days. After doing my research online I read that most vets recommend not feeding any grain for at least 12-24 hrs after a bout with choke. So I decided not to feed him his grain that night.

He seemed to be feeling better when he got home but later on Wednesday night he looked even worse than he did to begin with. He would have these spells of almost panic (tense up and jump around), pace his stall, or just sit with his head in the back corner. He still held his head funny and played with his jaw a lot too. I decided to take his temp and it was 103. I didn't waste any time calling my primary vet. He told me to give him a few grams of bute to help brake his fever for the night and had us bring him in first thing yesterday morning.

He scoped his throat and his stomach but didn't find anything unusual. He said no grain or hay for 24 hrs but that we could allow him to graze in couple hr intervals as long as he was swallowing ok. He also gave him a shot of antibiotics and told us to watch his temp for the next few days.

Its been 2 days since this all started and the horse hasn't wanted any water and shows no interest in hay or grain (we haven't actually given him any grain, just showed him a tiny handful to see if he was interested with no luck). He started to gaze a bit this morning but stretched his neck out again and also made a strange burping sound. I know horses cant burp... is this sound normal for a horse that choked 2 days previous? Our vet said sometimes when horses choke it can scare them and they wont eat/drink for a few days so we should not too alarmed. Has anyone else experienced this? How long did it take for your horses to go back to normal? I feel so bad for our guy but I don't know what else to do for him.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

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ACEINTHEHOLE
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Posted 2014-05-16 9:55 AM
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I have had several horses choke, and none had fever.  Why would choke cause fever.  I would begin to look somewhere else, for some type of infection or inflammation causing the fever.  He might not be interested in food because he doesn't feel well. Also he could just be fighting off a virus.  Did he do anyting to make you think choke.. did you see him choking or trying to spit his food out, acting colicy while eating (this is what mine did, would try to lay down, then get up and back up like trying to get away from the pain, then paw, then repeat)?

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Bibliafarm
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2014-05-16 10:02 AM
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when my mare choked she aspirated into her lungs and it happened a few times following that. it was a serious issue afterwards.. not all do that though..
Id watch him very closely to.  
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Rodeodreamqueen
Reg. Feb 2014
Posted 2014-05-16 10:02 AM
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ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-16 9:55 AM

I have had several horses choke, and none had fever. Β Why would choke cause fever. Β I would begin to look somewhere else, for some type of infection or inflammation causing the fever. Β He might not be interested in food because he doesn't feel well.Β 

I agree. Mine was fine other than the fact that we had to hand feed her soaked feed. By hand feed I mean a handful at a time so she wouldn't eat to fast and choke again. Ours never had fever so I am not sure what to think but I hope everything gets better for the both of you.
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love2ridepre
Reg. Apr 2014
Posted 2014-05-16 10:07 AM
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just out of curiosity....what do you feed him?
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Bibliafarm
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2014-05-16 10:08 AM
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 also soak your grain.. add water and make it sloppy wet..from now on.

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cheryl makofka
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Posted 2014-05-16 10:11 AM
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npurvis08 - 2014-05-16 9:47 AM

So before I get into anything please know that my horse has been seen by two vets in the last two days to figure out whats going on. Both have sent him home and said that they believed that he choked on Wednesday morning but that he seemed to have cleared it on his own. We have never dealt with choke so we're not sure what else to expect from here.

The first vet saw him Wednesday morning. She ran a tube down his throat and said it was clear by the time we got him there. She sent him home with no worries and told us to soak his feed for the next few days. After doing my research online I read that most vets recommend not feeding any grain for at least 12-24 hrs after a bout with choke. So I decided not to feed him his grain that night.

He seemed to be feeling better when he got home but later on Wednesday night he looked even worse than he did to begin with. He would have these spells of almost panic (tense up and jump around), pace his stall, or just sit with his head in the back corner. He still held his head funny and played with his jaw a lot too. I decided to take his temp and it was 103. I didn't waste any time calling my primary vet. He told me to give him a few grams of bute to help brake his fever for the night and had us bring him in first thing yesterday morning.

He scoped his throat and his stomach but didn't find anything unusual. He said no grain or hay for 24 hrs but that we could allow him to graze in couple hr intervals as long as he was swallowing ok. He also gave him a shot of antibiotics and told us to watch his temp for the next few days.

Its been 2 days since this all started and the horse hasn't wanted any water and shows no interest in hay or grain (we haven't actually given him any grain, just showed him a tiny handful to see if he was interested with no luck). He started to gaze a bit this morning but stretched his neck out again and also made a strange burping sound. I know horses cant burp... is this sound normal for a horse that choked 2 days previous? Our vet said sometimes when horses choke it can scare them and they wont eat/drink for a few days so we should not too alarmed. Has anyone else experienced this? How long did it take for your horses to go back to normal? I feel so bad for our guy but I don't know what else to do for him.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!


Sounds like he is colicing now.

Horses who burp, yawn excessively, or play in their water are showing signs of colic.

Colicing horses can have a low grade fever, not all colicing horses will kick at the belly, or try and roll.

If colic has been ruled out, I would suspect aspiration pneumonia or it could even be in conjunction with the colic. Unless the vet used a scope that extends into the bronchioles, the vet would not be able to see the object in the lungs.

If the horse continues to have a fever I would ask for a 2 week antibiotic regime, 2 weeks will give enough time to kill most bacterial infection without developing antibiotic resistant drugs.

Good luck with your horse
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HorseMommyFiveO
Reg. Jan 2012
Posted 2014-05-16 10:13 AM
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I would wonder if your horse swallowed something he shouldn't have - either a poison or foreign object - that isn't passing. ???
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Herbie
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Posted 2014-05-16 10:17 AM
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My colt choked back in the winter....it's probably been three months or more ago now.  It took my vet a while to get there and he was choked for a couple of hours.  I did give him banamine IV during that time to try and ease the pain and make him relax based on my vet's advice.  We did have to tube him to dislodge the blockage. 

I fed him NOTHING for 24 hours, then fed him a small amount of grain that we made to a soup consistency and decreased the amount of water every day.  I did also feed him soaked alfalfa pellets to a soup consistency during this time.  I didn't give him actual hay for at least 4 days or so. 

He hasn't acted great since.  He never got sick, but he looks and acts really ulcery.  I've been treating him for ulcers for about a month.  He's never been a real aggressive eater, and he will clean up soaked hay pellets but anything else he's not overly interested in.  I added in soaked beet pulp and he wasn't interested in that for a few days and will still pick alot of it out of his "pourage" as I call it.  

That choke was the most horrendous thing i've ever seen just short of a bad case of colic.  I felt so bad for him and am ready for him to get back to acting like himself! 
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Bibliafarm
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Posted 2014-05-16 10:26 AM
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cheryl makofka - 2014-05-16 11:11 AM
npurvis08 - 2014-05-16 9:47 AM So before I get into anything please know that my horse has been seen by two vets in the last two days to figure out whats going on. Both have sent him home and said that they believed that he choked on Wednesday morning but that he seemed to have cleared it on his own. We have never dealt with choke so we're not sure what else to expect from here. The first vet saw him Wednesday morning. She ran a tube down his throat and said it was clear by the time we got him there. She sent him home with no worries and told us to soak his feed for the next few days. After doing my research online I read that most vets recommend not feeding any grain for at least 12-24 hrs after a bout with choke. So I decided not to feed him his grain that night. He seemed to be feeling better when he got home but later on Wednesday night he looked even worse than he did to begin with. He would have these spells of almost panic (tense up and jump around), pace his stall, or just sit with his head in the back corner. He still held his head funny and played with his jaw a lot too. I decided to take his temp and it was 103. I didn't waste any time calling my primary vet. He told me to give him a few grams of bute to help brake his fever for the night and had us bring him in first thing yesterday morning. He scoped his throat and his stomach but didn't find anything unusual. He said no grain or hay for 24 hrs but that we could allow him to graze in couple hr intervals as long as he was swallowing ok. He also gave him a shot of antibiotics and told us to watch his temp for the next few days. Its been 2 days since this all started and the horse hasn't wanted any water and shows no interest in hay or grain (we haven't actually given him any grain, just showed him a tiny handful to see if he was interested with no luck). He started to gaze a bit this morning but stretched his neck out again and also made a strange burping sound. I know horses cant burp... is this sound normal for a horse that choked 2 days previous? Our vet said sometimes when horses choke it can scare them and they wont eat/drink for a few days so we should not too alarmed. Has anyone else experienced this? How long did it take for your horses to go back to normal? I feel so bad for our guy but I don't know what else to do for him. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Sounds like he is colicing now. Horses who burp, yawn excessively, or play in their water are showing signs of colic. Colicing horses can have a low grade fever, not all colicing horses will kick at the belly, or try and roll. If colic has been ruled out, I would suspect aspiration pneumonia or it could even be in conjunction with the colic. Unless the vet used a scope that extends into the bronchioles, the vet would not be able to see the object in the lungs. If the horse continues to have a fever I would ask for a 2 week antibiotic regime, 2 weeks will give enough time to kill most bacterial infection without developing antibiotic resistant drugs. Good luck with your horse
agreed my mare got this .. Id get a jump start on this ASAP..

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npurvis08
Reg. Nov 2013
Posted 2014-05-16 10:28 AM
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We normally feed him a handful of a sweet mix from a local mill. Not much at all though because he stays quite plump on our pasture alone. He gets just enough to keep him occupied while my mare finishes her.

His temp was down to 99 by thursday morning at the vet. My thermometer said "ERR" several times before I used it when i got the 103 reading wednesday night so I guess there is also the possibility that it was off. I called the vet just to be safe though. Id rather over react than not react enough.

We did see him choking on Wednesday morning. He was stretching his neck out, tilting his head and drooling a lot. What ever he choked on seemed to be better by the time he got to the first vet though.

As far as colic goes, he has had regular bowel movements and is urinating fine. Granted, his piles are not huge but he hasn't eaten anything so I wouldn't expect them to be.

I was worried yesterday before we got to our primary veterinarian of the possibility that he had eaten something bad. However, when he was scoped there was nothing in his stomach or his esophagus. They were both clear. His regular bowel movements tell us that there isn't a blockage in his intestines either.

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npurvis08
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Posted 2014-05-16 10:35 AM
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Aspiration pneumonia is normally caused when someone tries to fix choke by tubing water down the horse's esophagus to break the blockage loose, right?

I know that the first vet used this tactic. She first blew into the tube and ran some water down it. She said it was clear though. If she did indeed manage to get water into his windpipe, would 8hrs be long enough for him to already have a fever from pneumonia?

Sorry for all of the questions, we've never dealt with choke or pneumonia in our horses. This is scary stuff.
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Posted 2014-05-16 10:54 AM
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npurvis08 - 2014-05-16 11:35 AM Aspiration pneumonia is normally caused when someone tries to fix choke by tubing water down the horse's esophagus to break the blockage loose, right? I know that the first vet used this tactic. She first blew into the tube and ran some water down it. She said it was clear though. If she did indeed manage to get water into his windpipe, would 8hrs be long enough for him to already have a fever from pneumonia? Sorry for all of the questions, we've never dealt with choke or pneumonia in our horses. This is scary stuff.

No the food is aspirated . 
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Posted 2014-05-16 11:02 AM
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We had a horse who would choke because he would eat as fast as he could.
Once you get your horse over this, maybe you can try what we did with our horse.
We started putting a couple of big round rocks in his bucket that slowed him down as he had to eat around them and we never had a problem afterwards.

Prayers for a quick recovery and no more problems!!
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Posted 2014-05-16 11:06 AM
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I have a choker. UGH. I mix his grain with a handful of shredded hay and oil. So far so good. Also make sure your horses teeth are done every year at least. Oh and I also put rocks or a small salt lick in his bucket to slow him down.
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cheryl makofka
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Posted 2014-05-16 1:05 PM
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npurvis08 - 2014-05-16 10:28 AM

We normally feed him a handful of a sweet mix from a local mill. Not much at all though because he stays quite plump on our pasture alone. He gets just enough to keep him occupied while my mare finishes her.

His temp was down to 99 by thursday morning at the vet. My thermometer said "ERR" several times before I used it when i got the 103 reading wednesday night so I guess there is also the possibility that it was off. I called the vet just to be safe though. Id rather over react than not react enough.

We did see him choking on Wednesday morning. He was stretching his neck out, tilting his head and drooling a lot. What ever he choked on seemed to be better by the time he got to the first vet though.

As far as colic goes, he has had regular bowel movements and is urinating fine. Granted, his piles are not huge but he hasn't eaten anything so I wouldn't expect them to be.

I was worried yesterday before we got to our primary veterinarian of the possibility that he had eaten something bad. However, when he was scoped there was nothing in his stomach or his esophagus. They were both clear. His regular bowel movements tell us that there isn't a blockage in his intestines either.


Some horses who colic have regular stools, it all depends on if it is a complete blockage, or where the blockage is.

My first colic experience my mare would lay down, still eat, normal stools, this continued for 3 days, finally took her to the vet, she had an inverted cecum (I believe is the term).

Not to scare you, but still be cautious.

Also the initial temp probably due to inflammation, stress, etc. As for bacterial infection, you would have to ask your vet.

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Posted 2014-05-16 1:08 PM
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Β We had one horse that choked on us twice. He was still blocked by the time the vet got there. Our vet tubed with water to get the blockages moved and the 2nd episode took quite a while to dislodge. The two things we had to worry about were pnuemonia and then colic from buildup of gasses from anything further down that might not have passed. She was worried that he still had a blockage right at the stomach or just past it. She told us that they can have a monormal bowel movement for a couple of days and still have a blockage because the blockage is further up and it takes a few days to empty the intestine. It took him a couple of days to be interested in food or water. I think he was really sore and raw from the blockage. I also heard the burp sound that you mentioned too. I think it was maybe additional air that have gotten in from.when we were tubing. We started him on antibiotics immediately both times for the pnuemonia risk. I also gave him flax seed meal and oil in his feed to help it slidetrough easier. I pulled him off grains after that and fed pellets because they're softer. Both times it was adry beet pulp mixed in his feed that he choked on. The second time it was less than handful. From then on we put him on soaked cubes, soaked beet pulp, and strategy. He's leased out as a therapy horse now and is on the same protocol.
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